EXPERIENCE 216 | Teamwork Makes the Dream Work - if the Beer Tastes Great! Josh & Angie Grenz, Owners of Verboten Brewing and Barrel Project in Loveland, and Verboten North Brewpub in Fort Collins.

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I met, I met Josh and Angie Grins in the early months of their opening their first verboten location in a quiet industrial park in Loveland.

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And Angie actually came to the very first organizational meeting for the First Loco Think Tank chapter before I had even come up with the name Loco Think Tank.

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She didn't join and hasn't yet, but I remain hopeful.

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We stayed in touch over the years and reconnected more properly last year when they opened their second location and what had been Black Bottle Brewery in Fort Collins, which closed the fall before.

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Verboten means forbidden in German, and their selection of beers mostly has one thing in common.

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They use ingredients that would've been forbidden under historic German purity laws, which basically means you can have lager and you will love it.

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Sours and porters and wine barrel aged stouts, and you name it, they've done it and probably won a prestigious medal for it.

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Josh and Angie eventually moved to a great downtown location in Loveland, and the Verboten North is at the corner of Prospect and College in Fort Collins.

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This is a journey of starting small, focusing on the product and the people, and growing into a regional brand in an industry that has experienced decline in recent years.

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Verboten continues to grow and it's due to the hard work and smart decisions by Josh and Angie and their dedicated teams.

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So please enjoy as I did my conversation with Josh and Angie Grins.

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Welcome back to the Loco Experience Podcast.

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My guests today are Joshua and Angie Grins and they are the founders, owners and operators of Verboten Brewing and Barrel Project in Loveland and the recently new Verboten North Brew Pub.

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And, uh, wow.

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I said it all correctly.

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Good job.

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It's a mouthful.

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Yay.

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So, um, let's start with, uh, how, how long in Fort Collins now with the north location?

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Oh, we are right at almost a year, almost a year.

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10 months in a year.

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Okay.

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11 months, April.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, 11 months in right now, so, mm-hmm.

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And, uh, how is the addition of food to the, uh, delivery of services?

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Oh, I, I tell you, I mean, you had food before, but pretzels and stuff.

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Oh, just premade snacks.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But its nothing like this, not a kitchen.

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Yeah.

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It's definitely a labor of love.

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I think you have to love having food.

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Yeah.

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Or it is your worst nightmare.

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So.

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So you do love food though, it sounds like.

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I do love food.

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I love your menu.

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I've really enjoyed Yeah.

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Uh, several of the sandwiches I've had.

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Yeah.

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Thank you.

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And a pizza.

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Mm-hmm.

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So, uh, you know, good job on that.

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And that's relatively straightforward, right?

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Mm-hmm.

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It doesn't take a genius to put it together.

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Yeah.

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No.

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Uhuh.

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Oh.

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Not that you don't have geniuses working for you.

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You probably do.

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No.

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Uh, I tell you, if it was left up to me, I would probably try and do something way too bougie and crazy and then we would Right.

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Be broken and nobody would buy it in month three.

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Yeah.

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So it was crazy.

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My wife and I were just at, um, have you ever been down to the sand dunes recreation area?

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Oh no.

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It's kind of close to Sand Dunes National Park and, uh, we're a Hot Springs fan, so a joyful journey we've been to down there.

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Mm-hmm.

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But Sand Dunes has, uh, like a community pool with all these kids and old people and stuff.

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But then they have the greenhouse, which is like, kind like the, the high hops brewing kind of space.

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Oh, ah, the greenhouse kind of space.

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Mm-hmm.

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Or whatever.

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So it's just this gorgeous place, but they've got a bar and then their kitchen is putting out like crab cakes and really good sesame crusted ahi.

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Mm-hmm.

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And really kind of bou love stuff for like.

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North of Aosa.

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40 miles.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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With nothing much around.

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Yeah.

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No, I was really proud of'em actually.

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And they were not overpriced.

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Yeah.

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It was like they're giving those citizens mm-hmm.

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A little chance to have some nice, uh, you know, culinary delight.

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Nice.

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Yes.

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Yeah, it's important.

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We'd love to check that out.

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Yeah.

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Go down there.

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Chicago.

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We went to the blanking on the brewery Brewhub.

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That's a Michelin star.

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Oh, moody Tongue.

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Moody tongue.

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That was a fun event.

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Oh.

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Inter Michelin Star Brewhub.

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Oh wow.

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So you talk about like the, um, getting good at two things.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Well, and you know, uh, a simple pizza menu all the way up to a Michelin stard, um, menu tasting menu.

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It's fun to see where brewers, brewers go.

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Chuck land.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Do you have aspirations to.

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To get that started, maybe never quite that far.

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No, no.

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I would just like to consistently, that's a lot of work.

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Have a decent product that people enjoy having alongside some beers.

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So let's, uh, let's talk a little bit about the, the new location, especially now that you brought a couple of IPAs in.

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Mm-hmm.

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Um, which is one of the things I remember we talked about, Angie, that, uh, when you moved to Fort Collins, you realized they'd like a lot more IPAs.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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Actually, you know, at first we thought, well, we're gonna make this a kind of an extension of Loveland, and then pretty quick we're like, you know, it's not the same thing.

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Yeah.

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It's a different space and it needs its own focus.

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Yeah.

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And so, um, we happened to be vacationing in California and Josh was drinking all of these great Alvarado Street IPAs and we went to, and Carmel, yeah, there's, there's one brewery in Carmel.

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Okay.

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And more than half their taps were.

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Hop focus beer.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Like sweetheart used to be.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Kind of.

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And it, and it was interesting just because, you know, he, he just never got sick of it.

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He drank IPAs the whole time.

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And so that's my wife, honestly.

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Yeah.

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And so, you know, we know that their, the popularity of IPAs isn't going anywhere, but then we got to thinking really, you know, it's a, it's something that we already had a great brewer, Kurt, he mm-hmm.

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He's done, um, IPAs for peculiar for a while and is just really talented and very passionate about them.

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The art of the Hop.

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Yeah.

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Mm-hmm.

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But we had him in Loveland doing everything else but IPAs.

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And so we, we got to thinking, you know, it'd be fun to kind of change our focus up there a little bit and make Fort Collins more focused on IPAs.

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And, and he's slowly but surely been doing that.

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And now it's, it's been exciting.

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'cause I think we're really starting to draw people in with some of his IPAs.

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So we're, yeah.

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I love it.

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And, and we had 20 taps and so.

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We're still doing other styles.

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Sure, sure.

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But we're gonna have eight to 10 of those will be hop focused.

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Okay.

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So anywhere from Pale Ale to Sure.

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West Coast.

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Mm-hmm.

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You know, pilsners, hoppy, pilsners to Well, and your, all the range of the IPAs, so your roots is really kind of doing what we want.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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With beer, right?

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Yeah.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Uh, Josh, uh, maybe I'll let you chime in a little bit.

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You're, you were home brew before you guys started, is that true?

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Yeah.

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Home brewed for years.

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Um, involved with the Home Brew Club in Loveland.

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Um, and uh, yeah, that's just kind of how I got started.

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I grew up in Fort Collins.

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Okay.

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So new Belgium del.

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We're there when I could start drinking.

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Right.

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So I've always been, you know, into the beer culture and loved the beer culture.

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And we were doing beer cas.

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And so yeah, it was just, uh, that that was the start.

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And, um, yeah, we just had our 12th anniversary last weekend.

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Oh, is that right?

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Yeah.

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Oh, I missed it.

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Oh, sucks.

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That was fun.

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I, uh, we got all the anniversary beer still, actually, I was out, we were on a big road trip, as I mentioned.

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Yeah.

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So, uh, well, and I remember like, some of your early brew and I think they're still on, or like, like a Kentucky style and just some kind of more obscure kind of mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

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Recipes, if you will.

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Yeah.

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Talk to me about that.

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Was that like by design or?

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Yeah, that was by design.

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So, um, I mean, my brewing style and this was, was using, you know, doing different things using different ingredients.

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Mm-hmm.

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And, um.

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Angie came up with the name Verboten, which means forbidden, which was based upon what was forbidden in Germany to use.

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By law, they could used four ingredients in beer, water, malt, hops, and yeast.

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And everything else was illegal for boden.

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Forbidden.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So it was just a focus on spices, fruits, obscure styles, barrel aging, specifically spirit and spirit barrels, which was also illegal.

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Oh.

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Um, and so that all kind of fit into mm-hmm.

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Not only my brewing style, but what we like to drink.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And um, yeah, I like to drink the weird stuff.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Sometimes.

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Yeah.

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And I feel fortunate, you know, new Belgium, you know, especially new Belgium.

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Odell too, but especially in New Belgium, we're doing all these obscure styles, you know, Belgian styles with fruit and, and spices and Yeah, of course they've been doing that this before the Belgium thing kind of came along.

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Yeah, of course they do that in, in, in Belgium.

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But, um, that was kind of new too.

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I.

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To me and to Northern Colorado and to Colorado specifically.

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So we were kind of focused.

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It also allowed us to on that, but it also allowed us to just move and be trendy.

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Right.

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Um, or follow the trends.

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Yeah.

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You got no limitations, right.

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And be innovative and all those things.

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So we just wanted to be innovative and, and kind of take people the time we opened and take, take people to the next level.

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So we, we were like, let's, we're not converting people from Budweiser.

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I think that's already been done in Northern Colorado.

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And those that, like Budweiser, that's, that's fine.

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No problems with that.

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But people that are looking for like kind of the next experience in beer.

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Yeah, yeah.

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The next flavors in beer, beyond.

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They already had switched to craft beer and Mike Bruce and we're in that scene and we were like, let's take that a little bit further, but then let's keep going.

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Wherever that takes us just allows us to Yeah.

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Be innovative and different.

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Yeah.

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I was around during, you know, I, I moved here in 99.

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Mm-hmm.

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And so, you know, like 90 shilling and Easy street wheat and sunshine.

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Mm-hmm.

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You know, had a dominant Yeah.

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Or a growing mm-hmm.

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But a dominant share of that left market still and they're still good beers.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But yeah, the variety really started to come in with some of those smallers and of course New Belgium was doing some of that.

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And I know Dell's from the start.

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Yeah.

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But it really.

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You know, they were leaning on those flagships and so you'd see them on the, all the handles.

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Mm-hmm.

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And then about the time you guys came on, the scene was when, you know, the restaurants Yes.

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With good beer scenes started coming and all that.

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Mm-hmm.

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Beer bars.

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Yeah.

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Choice, beer focused bars, all of these places.

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Yeah.

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And it's funny'cause when I, I was not a beer drinker when I moved here, so when I, you know, married Josh and started drinking beer, it wasn't, I didn't start with Budweiser.

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I started with, um, Odell New Belgium Linden, um, brewing on Lyndon Street.

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And these were these amazing, you know, full bodied, um, you know, robust beers that I was drinking.

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And so, you know, I cut my teeth on on some good stuff, so.

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Fair enough.

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So tell me a little bit more about the, the north location now.

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It's, uh mm-hmm.

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I'm, I'm very familiar with it'cause it was the former Black bottle brewing.

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Mm-hmm.

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Um, which was one of the most recent, um, the, the last bank loans I made was to help Sean open black metal brewing back years ago.

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Yeah.

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Well, yeah, we, you know, we heard the space was gonna come available and, um, we're immediately interested because we had been looking for a while for a second location.

00:12:05.399 --> 00:12:07.259
Um, our debate was where was.

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The best spot for us.

00:12:09.423 --> 00:12:13.624
Um, going down to Denver seemed overly uh, difficult.

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A little too complex.

00:12:14.139 --> 00:12:14.428
Yeah.

00:12:15.094 --> 00:12:15.153
Yeah.

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But coming up to Fort Collins kind of felt right because, uh, he grew up here.

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Yeah.

00:12:19.413 --> 00:12:23.283
I, we spent the first I two decades of our marriage in Fort Collins.

00:12:23.313 --> 00:12:23.403
Sure.

00:12:23.403 --> 00:12:25.533
So, you know, I've been here.

00:12:25.563 --> 00:12:28.144
You had a lot of community connections through Style Magazine and all that.

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Yes.

00:12:28.384 --> 00:12:28.683
Yeah.

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So we knew a lot of people and so when we heard it was coming open and it also was a fully built out brew house.

00:12:34.533 --> 00:12:34.923
Right, right.

00:12:34.953 --> 00:12:36.423
It just kind of made sense.

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Does a license come along in a situation like that?

00:12:38.703 --> 00:12:39.573
Um, kind of, or.

00:12:39.714 --> 00:12:40.673
It can, it's easier.

00:12:40.764 --> 00:12:41.484
Yeah, it can.

00:12:41.484 --> 00:12:47.183
What we did is we, um, we took the license for a short period of time while we app applied for a new license.

00:12:47.303 --> 00:12:47.333
Mm.

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Um, and then we moved everything over to the new license.

00:12:50.094 --> 00:12:58.134
So, um, but it, you know, it's, uh, a brew pub license versus what we have in Loveland as a brewery manufacturing brewery.

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So, uh, two different licenses that we now hold.

00:13:01.403 --> 00:13:01.854
Yeah.

00:13:01.854 --> 00:13:01.855
Yeah.

00:13:02.153 --> 00:13:06.024
Does the brew pub mostly, as I understand it, requires some of that food element.

00:13:06.053 --> 00:13:06.384
Yeah.

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You know, some 20, 25% or whatever, it's 15%.

00:13:09.323 --> 00:13:09.443
Okay.

00:13:09.443 --> 00:13:12.803
Which is kind of cool because it's 15%, that's not a ton.

00:13:13.134 --> 00:13:15.504
Um, it tends to be more than that naturally.

00:13:15.533 --> 00:13:17.994
Um, you can still distribute a bunch of beer and stuff like that.

00:13:18.144 --> 00:13:18.323
Yeah.

00:13:18.323 --> 00:13:22.254
It's kind of this cool license though, because you don't have to have the kitchen open all the time.

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You're not under the same requirements as maybe a tavern.

00:13:25.043 --> 00:13:25.524
Oh, interesting.

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Or another, a restaurant.

00:13:27.083 --> 00:13:27.323
Yeah.

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So we can open our clo or close the kitchen as we want.

00:13:30.683 --> 00:13:34.946
Uh huh So it's like, okay, the food truck's here from this time, but you know, it's not the rest of the time.

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So yeah.

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As long as 15%.

00:13:36.953 --> 00:13:37.134
Yeah.

00:13:37.134 --> 00:13:38.333
As long as you're hitting that number.

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Is that like a monthly measure or, yeah, yeah.

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15% of your monthly sales.

00:13:42.354 --> 00:13:42.714
Yeah.

00:13:42.714 --> 00:13:42.774
Yeah.

00:13:42.953 --> 00:13:46.913
So, um, so kind of built it out in a, in a mm-hmm.

00:13:47.094 --> 00:13:55.014
Kind of modern, trendy compared to your, your south, your level location is a little more like Colorado brewery industrial.

00:13:55.254 --> 00:13:56.004
Yeah, yeah.

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Industrial.

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Yeah.

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Industrial old building.

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I mean that, yeah.

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The building was started in the twenties.

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Yeah.

00:14:00.624 --> 00:14:04.913
And finished sometime in the thirties, added onto, so it's got old brick Yeah.

00:14:05.244 --> 00:14:07.524
And industrial to some point.

00:14:07.703 --> 00:14:07.913
Yeah.

00:14:07.913 --> 00:14:08.394
But also.

00:14:09.109 --> 00:14:12.274
O an older building with a totally different fill where this is Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:14:12.278 --> 00:14:13.553
Much more modern.

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And this was, yeah.

00:14:14.028 --> 00:14:17.749
A newer building, and then we went in and black bottle was so dark.

00:14:17.749 --> 00:14:17.839
Mm-hmm.

00:14:18.168 --> 00:14:20.418
And so we really just wanted to brighten it up.

00:14:20.448 --> 00:14:20.719
Yeah.

00:14:20.808 --> 00:14:26.178
We also knew that we were gonna be offering, um, spirits and wine and addition and food.

00:14:26.178 --> 00:14:29.328
And so we wanted a space that felt a little bit more.

00:14:29.359 --> 00:14:29.629
Yeah.

00:14:29.774 --> 00:14:32.153
Um, it's got a little bit of a four 15 vibe Yeah.

00:14:32.543 --> 00:14:33.114
Back in the day.

00:14:33.114 --> 00:14:33.115
Yeah.

00:14:33.115 --> 00:14:38.389
A little more community, but a little less, um, pigeonholed right into the, uh, it's a brewery.

00:14:38.403 --> 00:14:39.558
Right, right, right, right.

00:14:39.649 --> 00:14:39.918
Okay.

00:14:40.249 --> 00:14:40.879
So, yeah.

00:14:41.149 --> 00:14:45.438
So, um, Josh, why don't you tell me about this?

00:14:45.649 --> 00:14:47.599
Oh, I guess your, this isn't your recipe.

00:14:47.599 --> 00:14:49.158
This is your brewer's recipe now.

00:14:49.158 --> 00:14:49.578
Is that right?

00:14:49.578 --> 00:14:49.639
Yeah.

00:14:49.639 --> 00:14:50.234
It's our brewer's recipe.

00:14:50.328 --> 00:14:53.119
So this is the, uh, the better use of mind.

00:14:53.208 --> 00:14:53.418
Yeah.

00:14:53.418 --> 00:14:54.354
Better use of mind, hazy.

00:14:54.354 --> 00:14:54.594
Mm-hmm.

00:14:54.678 --> 00:14:55.158
Hazy.

00:14:55.308 --> 00:14:57.259
IPA, hazy juicy IPA.

00:14:57.379 --> 00:15:02.149
And, um, this is, um, yeah, just kind of.

00:15:03.288 --> 00:15:04.308
A current offering.

00:15:04.609 --> 00:15:18.859
Um, you know, and what, what Kurt's doing, what he wants to do, and when we're in agreement with is just rotate them for now and kind of let our customers pick, see which ones really catch on, see which ones really stick, and then maybe those will be, you know, the, the year round offerings.

00:15:18.948 --> 00:15:21.678
And are you guys canning on location?

00:15:21.739 --> 00:15:21.828
Mm-hmm.

00:15:22.099 --> 00:15:22.153
All the time.

00:15:22.153 --> 00:15:22.433
Mm-hmm.

00:15:22.548 --> 00:15:22.969
Yeah.

00:15:23.119 --> 00:15:23.389
Yeah.

00:15:23.389 --> 00:15:24.168
We finally are.

00:15:25.639 --> 00:15:28.339
I know there used to be those like canning operations that would run around.

00:15:28.339 --> 00:15:28.553
Oh yeah.

00:15:28.553 --> 00:15:28.554
Yeah.

00:15:28.559 --> 00:15:41.479
And can you up a few kegs or whatever, but yeah, no, we, I mean we, um, you know, inherited a canning line that was the fifth one built, um, by a company in Denver called, uh, wild Goose.

00:15:41.568 --> 00:15:41.899
Okay.

00:15:41.903 --> 00:15:44.089
It was a fifth one built during Covid.

00:15:44.509 --> 00:15:44.778
Mm.

00:15:45.168 --> 00:15:48.379
So it was, you know, when breweries shut down overnight.

00:15:48.979 --> 00:15:49.249
Oh, right.

00:15:49.249 --> 00:15:51.798
At least they wanted canning lines because they had to get beer out.

00:15:51.828 --> 00:15:52.219
Right, right.

00:15:52.219 --> 00:15:53.239
That was the only way to do it.

00:15:53.359 --> 00:15:57.109
And so this was a, an affordable machine relative, I.

00:15:57.109 --> 00:15:57.168
Mm-hmm.

00:15:58.369 --> 00:16:03.198
They're all expensive, but this is a relative machine where it fills one at a time, but built well.

00:16:03.198 --> 00:16:05.538
But it was in disrepair, so I've just been working on it.

00:16:05.538 --> 00:16:09.948
We, we've ran our first successful runs there, um, this last week.

00:16:10.219 --> 00:16:10.458
Okay.

00:16:10.668 --> 00:16:10.788
Mm-hmm.

00:16:11.028 --> 00:16:17.149
So actually a lot of these, including this one that we brought today, we had to take to Loveland and use our canning line there.

00:16:17.359 --> 00:16:19.188
Oh, so you've been canning for a while?

00:16:19.249 --> 00:16:22.129
Yeah, we, we have been canning the stuff there for a little bit.

00:16:22.548 --> 00:16:25.999
Um, but we had our first successful runs just on Friday.

00:16:26.149 --> 00:16:26.509
Oh, wow.

00:16:26.599 --> 00:16:26.778
There.

00:16:26.958 --> 00:16:29.808
So just getting the, the machine up and working so Well.

00:16:29.808 --> 00:16:30.078
Thank you.

00:16:30.203 --> 00:16:30.923
I feel very honored.

00:16:31.099 --> 00:16:31.339
Yeah.

00:16:31.339 --> 00:16:37.308
We're, we're trying to get every, pretty much everything you can take to go in, in a can.

00:16:37.308 --> 00:16:39.678
That's, that's won't be everything, everything.

00:16:39.739 --> 00:16:46.038
Just because logistically that's stuff, but it's gonna be most everything that he's putting, uh, out and brewing there.

00:16:46.099 --> 00:16:47.418
Um, you can get in a can to go.

00:16:47.448 --> 00:16:54.499
That's a nice little, I I suspect that be has become a pretty popular thing is people will have lunch and a beer mm-hmm.

00:16:54.504 --> 00:16:55.938
You know, with their wife or mm-hmm.

00:16:56.178 --> 00:16:58.099
Something, and then grab a four pack to go.

00:16:58.158 --> 00:16:58.428
Yeah.

00:16:58.548 --> 00:16:58.849
Yeah.

00:16:58.854 --> 00:16:59.083
Mm-hmm.

00:16:59.163 --> 00:17:02.484
And it's, that's a nice little, uh, add-on revenue wise to the mm-hmm.

00:17:02.563 --> 00:17:03.203
To the ticket, right?

00:17:03.234 --> 00:17:03.524
Yeah.

00:17:03.524 --> 00:17:03.764
Yeah.

00:17:03.864 --> 00:17:06.348
And, and everything is so highly limited right now.

00:17:06.348 --> 00:17:11.884
We don't make huge batches of it that, you know, if, if you like it, you get to take it home, get it.

00:17:11.884 --> 00:17:13.699
You may not get to see it again for a while, so.

00:17:13.699 --> 00:17:13.818
Yeah.

00:17:14.838 --> 00:17:15.170
Well, and.

00:17:15.584 --> 00:17:16.124
It's interesting.

00:17:16.124 --> 00:17:21.344
When you guys first launched, you know, the, the Growler was very much the scene, right?

00:17:21.614 --> 00:17:22.094
Oh, yeah.

00:17:22.124 --> 00:17:22.544
Yeah.

00:17:22.544 --> 00:17:24.523
People come and buy a couple beers, still 50 of them in my basement.

00:17:25.453 --> 00:17:25.544
Right.

00:17:25.604 --> 00:17:29.594
I, I'm down to like five now, but, uh, I use'em for my kombucha actually.

00:17:29.594 --> 00:17:30.284
Oh, yeah.

00:17:30.344 --> 00:17:35.189
But I imagine that has gone, like, once the Crowler came along, breweries kind of focused more on that.

00:17:35.189 --> 00:17:35.509
Mm-hmm.

00:17:35.594 --> 00:17:39.614
I think easier labor wise and you didn't waste so much product.

00:17:39.618 --> 00:17:39.749
Mm-hmm.

00:17:39.909 --> 00:17:41.983
'cause the growler were always like Yeah.

00:17:41.983 --> 00:17:46.709
Overflowing and spilling and sometimes waste a lot of product and sometimes they come in dirty.

00:17:46.713 --> 00:17:47.233
Dirty.

00:17:47.233 --> 00:17:47.743
Yeah.

00:17:48.134 --> 00:17:52.574
They're dark and you can't, your beer tastes like crap because, and they have a bunch of crap in the bottom.

00:17:52.814 --> 00:17:53.173
Yeah.

00:17:53.173 --> 00:17:54.344
Growling spectrum.

00:17:54.409 --> 00:17:56.263
And so we, we stopped.

00:17:56.354 --> 00:17:56.564
Yeah.

00:17:56.564 --> 00:17:57.554
We still fill them.

00:17:57.554 --> 00:18:02.923
We will fill them and we'll do our due diligence to make sure they're clean, but we stopped selling them.

00:18:02.923 --> 00:18:03.433
Yeah.

00:18:03.433 --> 00:18:03.434
Yeah.

00:18:03.523 --> 00:18:04.993
So we do everything in aluminum.

00:18:05.054 --> 00:18:09.044
I mean, we have the, you know, we got on the, the Crowler machines.

00:18:09.284 --> 00:18:09.794
Um.

00:18:10.243 --> 00:18:11.773
Kind of when those first came out.

00:18:11.864 --> 00:18:11.923
Yeah.

00:18:11.923 --> 00:18:15.733
Which at this point has been years now, eight years ago or so.

00:18:15.733 --> 00:18:15.794
Yeah.

00:18:16.028 --> 00:18:16.108
Yeah.

00:18:16.183 --> 00:18:17.384
I think is a workhorse though.

00:18:17.384 --> 00:18:17.713
Yeah.

00:18:18.013 --> 00:18:19.814
So we got one of those at each location.

00:18:19.814 --> 00:18:21.673
So any beer you want, you can take in that.

00:18:21.679 --> 00:18:21.949
Yeah.

00:18:21.953 --> 00:18:22.213
Yeah.

00:18:22.213 --> 00:18:25.868
Um, and then, you know, we're just doing more of the, the Yeah.

00:18:26.173 --> 00:18:26.834
The cans.

00:18:26.834 --> 00:18:27.523
More varieties.

00:18:27.584 --> 00:18:27.763
Yeah.

00:18:27.763 --> 00:18:28.094
12.

00:18:28.094 --> 00:18:29.263
Well, I think that's one ounce package.

00:18:29.263 --> 00:18:35.894
One of the trends that's changed really since Covid Nation in some part is like people drink more at home than they used to.

00:18:35.898 --> 00:18:36.148
Yeah.

00:18:36.223 --> 00:18:36.403
Yeah.

00:18:36.433 --> 00:18:40.153
You know, it used to be, uh, kind of this, uh, verboten thing.

00:18:40.634 --> 00:18:40.723
Mm-hmm.

00:18:41.054 --> 00:18:42.733
And it's like, well, we can't go out, I guess.

00:18:42.943 --> 00:18:43.064
Yeah.

00:18:43.663 --> 00:18:44.743
We'll drink at home.

00:18:44.804 --> 00:18:45.493
It is true.

00:18:45.493 --> 00:18:52.364
I, yeah, we definitely see that there's a lot more packaging going out, packaged beer going out, so, yeah.

00:18:52.423 --> 00:18:52.753
Yeah.

00:18:52.753 --> 00:18:56.324
That, I mean, that kind of ebbs and flows somewhat.

00:18:56.683 --> 00:18:58.574
Um, I think.

00:18:59.659 --> 00:19:03.138
Kind of immediately after Covid, people couldn't wait to get back in the Yeah.

00:19:03.138 --> 00:19:03.374
Tap rooms.

00:19:03.374 --> 00:19:03.614
Mm-hmm.

00:19:03.693 --> 00:19:03.814
Yeah.

00:19:03.818 --> 00:19:03.828
Yeah.

00:19:03.828 --> 00:19:05.118
They were, they were drinking at home.

00:19:05.118 --> 00:19:07.459
And so, so it's kind of a mix.

00:19:07.548 --> 00:19:08.269
It's kind of a mix.

00:19:08.269 --> 00:19:14.058
A lot of people wanted to get back and be social, and we definitely have that crowd too.

00:19:14.598 --> 00:19:17.808
Um, but a lot of people enjoyed Yeah.

00:19:17.838 --> 00:19:19.578
Just drinking at, at home.

00:19:20.003 --> 00:19:20.243
Yeah.

00:19:20.358 --> 00:19:20.538
Yeah.

00:19:20.538 --> 00:19:28.338
That liked being alone and that's, you know, I mean, I, there was, there was a few weeks I wished I could have just hunkered down and not seen people.

00:19:28.699 --> 00:19:29.028
Right.

00:19:29.088 --> 00:19:30.019
We still had to work.

00:19:30.378 --> 00:19:31.999
I wonder what the aggregate is.

00:19:32.058 --> 00:19:36.648
Like if you, if you took like the, all of the kind of hospitality industries mm-hmm.

00:19:36.888 --> 00:19:39.919
Especially the restaurants and bars and taverns and stuff.

00:19:39.979 --> 00:19:45.078
My guess is that the people that used to go out a ton now stay home.

00:19:45.453 --> 00:19:46.564
A little bit more.

00:19:46.624 --> 00:19:46.864
Yep.

00:19:46.983 --> 00:19:50.104
Which then puts a dent in the, in the restaurant industry.

00:19:50.163 --> 00:19:50.253
Sure.

00:19:50.253 --> 00:19:52.953
Well, I think the DoorDash, yeah, the DoorDash a lot, a lot more.

00:19:53.193 --> 00:19:53.463
Right.

00:19:53.463 --> 00:19:54.874
But then DoorDash gets 20%.

00:19:55.084 --> 00:19:56.374
I always say this or whatever.

00:19:56.554 --> 00:20:03.334
I mean, we are, we're door dashing a lot because we have a ice cream shop two doors down from us in Loveland and people DoorDash, ice cream.

00:20:03.634 --> 00:20:11.584
And it kind of cracks me up because whatever that pint of ice cream costs you normally you're paying 25% more to have it delivered to your house.

00:20:11.824 --> 00:20:11.913
Right.

00:20:11.973 --> 00:20:13.023
But they do it all time.

00:20:13.023 --> 00:20:13.683
All the time.

00:20:13.773 --> 00:20:14.763
That's half melted.

00:20:16.624 --> 00:20:17.824
Maybe they put it in a cougar.

00:20:18.183 --> 00:20:25.624
But it's definitely part of our lifestyle now is, um, you know, ordering in which before it was a, you know, it was pizza.

00:20:25.713 --> 00:20:26.193
A rarity.

00:20:26.193 --> 00:20:27.394
Yeah, it was pizza when you did it.

00:20:27.394 --> 00:20:27.784
Yeah.

00:20:27.844 --> 00:20:29.584
And now it's all over the place, so.

00:20:29.584 --> 00:20:30.094
Yeah.

00:20:30.094 --> 00:20:30.095
Yeah.

00:20:30.513 --> 00:20:32.548
So, um, let's talk about the operations a little bit.

00:20:32.548 --> 00:20:32.828
Mm-hmm.

00:20:32.909 --> 00:20:37.413
So you've got a brewer in Fort Collins and then another brewer in Loveland.

00:20:37.419 --> 00:20:37.429
Yep.

00:20:37.429 --> 00:20:37.628
Mm-hmm.

00:20:38.044 --> 00:20:39.273
And Josh was the brewer.

00:20:39.273 --> 00:20:40.384
So now he just kind of.

00:20:40.773 --> 00:20:43.384
Jinx around are what, what's, what's your job, Josh?

00:20:43.384 --> 00:20:44.614
What do you do for OT in these days?

00:20:44.614 --> 00:20:44.913
Just, just whatever.

00:20:44.943 --> 00:20:47.284
I mean, I'm janitor the maintenance man.

00:20:47.314 --> 00:20:47.463
Yeah.

00:20:47.463 --> 00:20:48.423
Supply coordinator.

00:20:48.429 --> 00:20:48.993
That's mostly what I do.

00:20:48.993 --> 00:20:49.384
Yeah.

00:20:49.384 --> 00:20:51.663
Operations, supply coordinator.

00:20:52.294 --> 00:20:54.213
I keep everything moving in production.

00:20:54.243 --> 00:20:54.304
Yeah.

00:20:54.304 --> 00:20:54.574
Gotcha.

00:20:54.604 --> 00:21:04.449
Um, so you're ordering materials a lot of times and stuff like that, ordering materials, keeping, keeping it going, um, filling in holes where there's labor needs, right?

00:21:04.453 --> 00:21:04.923
Yeah.

00:21:04.923 --> 00:21:06.273
Head up, head up.

00:21:06.273 --> 00:21:07.443
All QC basically.

00:21:07.443 --> 00:21:08.163
Final jack of all position.

00:21:08.163 --> 00:21:08.223
Yeah.

00:21:08.433 --> 00:21:08.884
Oh yeah.

00:21:08.943 --> 00:21:18.124
So it's, it just got so busy with everything else that I just couldn't, you know, what I loved and what I still love is, you know, get my hands dirty and brewing, but it.

00:21:18.798 --> 00:21:19.999
And, and I got to do that.

00:21:19.999 --> 00:21:20.298
Mm-hmm.

00:21:20.659 --> 00:21:21.403
Up until Covid.

00:21:21.648 --> 00:21:27.318
And then it was just time to kind of, to, to reshift that and focus in on the business part.

00:21:27.348 --> 00:21:29.358
You don't do it ever even just for kicks.

00:21:29.358 --> 00:21:29.419
Yeah.

00:21:29.419 --> 00:21:29.989
I'll jump in.

00:21:30.078 --> 00:21:30.618
Okay.

00:21:30.679 --> 00:21:31.040
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:21:31.040 --> 00:21:31.041
Yeah.

00:21:31.128 --> 00:21:31.669
Now he does.

00:21:31.669 --> 00:21:33.884
When he wants to make a certain beer, he gets in there and bakes that beer.

00:21:33.884 --> 00:21:34.939
He gets a fresh idea.

00:21:34.939 --> 00:21:36.229
He is like, okay, I'll let you know.

00:21:36.229 --> 00:21:36.679
I got it.

00:21:36.679 --> 00:21:37.044
Root uhhuh.

00:21:37.044 --> 00:21:37.403
Mm-hmm.

00:21:37.483 --> 00:21:37.564
Yeah.

00:21:37.939 --> 00:21:41.868
That's usually, I mean, honestly, those are the beers he's really passionate about.

00:21:41.868 --> 00:21:44.239
Those are the beers that we oftentimes build metal with.

00:21:44.388 --> 00:21:44.659
Yeah.

00:21:44.778 --> 00:21:48.048
Because he just gets an idea in his head and has to see it through.

00:21:48.169 --> 00:21:50.298
And how many medals have you guys had so far?

00:21:50.388 --> 00:21:53.568
Oh, well, we've had two GABF medals.

00:21:53.719 --> 00:21:53.898
Yep.

00:21:54.259 --> 00:21:55.489
Um, which for who?

00:21:55.939 --> 00:21:56.659
Our killer boots.

00:21:56.689 --> 00:21:59.929
Now our first one was Little Nonsense Barrel aged Imperial Stout.

00:21:59.933 --> 00:22:00.523
Oh, oh, yeah.

00:22:00.528 --> 00:22:00.979
Yeah.

00:22:01.038 --> 00:22:02.044
That's, and then that was early.

00:22:02.153 --> 00:22:02.443
Yeah.

00:22:02.463 --> 00:22:04.729
And then, um, our barley wine.

00:22:04.788 --> 00:22:05.088
Mm-hmm.

00:22:05.148 --> 00:22:10.098
Which is, seems like that's, we're, we're on a hot streak with that right now.

00:22:10.098 --> 00:22:10.308
Hmm.

00:22:10.429 --> 00:22:10.939
Um.

00:22:11.824 --> 00:22:12.753
And the World Beer Cup.

00:22:12.753 --> 00:22:18.574
As far as the big ones, I mean there's a bunch of small ones, but the two big ones I always think of Great American Beer Festival and the World Beer Cup.

00:22:18.578 --> 00:22:18.729
Mm-hmm.

00:22:18.814 --> 00:22:19.054
Okay.

00:22:19.054 --> 00:22:22.054
And then there's like the US Open, that's fairly big competition.

00:22:22.054 --> 00:22:22.713
A few others.

00:22:22.713 --> 00:22:24.784
But yeah, those are the big, big ones.

00:22:24.784 --> 00:22:27.784
But I think like the World Beer Cup, we have seven now.

00:22:27.844 --> 00:22:28.023
Yeah.

00:22:28.023 --> 00:22:28.534
Dang.

00:22:28.534 --> 00:22:29.044
Yeah.

00:22:29.554 --> 00:22:33.489
A lot for our barley wine and, and for our barrel aged and dark beers and stouts.

00:22:33.723 --> 00:22:33.993
Yeah.

00:22:33.993 --> 00:22:37.294
So that's why the barrel project is such a big part of especially.

00:22:37.683 --> 00:22:40.804
And can you get those barrel project beers up in the north location too?

00:22:40.834 --> 00:22:41.973
Uh, occasionally, yes.

00:22:42.124 --> 00:22:43.691
Right now we have Mountain man Don sell'em too fast.

00:22:43.713 --> 00:22:44.433
Yeah.

00:22:44.433 --> 00:22:44.434
Yeah.

00:22:44.644 --> 00:22:50.009
We have Mountain Man and cans, which is what we took our first major metal ever was, uh, is the World House.

00:22:50.009 --> 00:22:51.064
That was our first World Cup medal.

00:22:51.064 --> 00:22:51.334
Yeah.

00:22:51.334 --> 00:22:52.413
At a year and a half old.

00:22:52.413 --> 00:22:52.923
So.

00:22:52.953 --> 00:22:53.074
Okay.

00:22:53.134 --> 00:22:54.574
That was so exciting for us.

00:22:54.574 --> 00:22:56.463
And so we bring that one back every so often.

00:22:56.463 --> 00:22:57.844
Is that a barley wine also?

00:22:57.933 --> 00:23:01.144
It is Barley wine light is like what I like to call it.

00:23:01.144 --> 00:23:03.483
I mean, technically it's, uh, English strong ale, so.

00:23:03.544 --> 00:23:03.874
Oh yeah.

00:23:03.874 --> 00:23:03.933
Yeah.

00:23:03.933 --> 00:23:04.683
I think, uh.

00:23:05.388 --> 00:23:06.199
Winter warmer.

00:23:06.259 --> 00:23:06.769
Yeah.

00:23:06.769 --> 00:23:06.769
Yeah.

00:23:06.919 --> 00:23:07.308
Yeah.

00:23:07.429 --> 00:23:07.909
I like it.

00:23:07.999 --> 00:23:09.499
High A BV, but yeah.

00:23:09.588 --> 00:23:09.858
Yeah.

00:23:09.858 --> 00:23:12.138
But not quite a barley wine somewhere in between.

00:23:12.169 --> 00:23:12.648
Yeah.

00:23:12.709 --> 00:23:12.949
Yeah.

00:23:13.368 --> 00:23:13.519
Yeah.

00:23:13.519 --> 00:23:16.909
Not, not quite breaking stools over your friends.

00:23:17.479 --> 00:23:17.838
Right.

00:23:18.229 --> 00:23:24.124
But almost barley wines aren't really, I mean, one of the sweet things about barley wines is that there are so sweet mm-hmm.

00:23:24.554 --> 00:23:26.284
That, at least for me mm-hmm.

00:23:26.368 --> 00:23:28.219
Who's not really a sweet connoisseur.

00:23:28.249 --> 00:23:28.368
Yeah.

00:23:28.368 --> 00:23:32.844
A barley wine kind of restricts my desire to go back for another sip, even though I love it.

00:23:32.844 --> 00:23:33.124
Mm-hmm.

00:23:33.124 --> 00:23:33.443
Mm-hmm.

00:23:33.554 --> 00:23:36.588
Like, I just don't have that craving for a next sip, by the way.

00:23:36.588 --> 00:23:37.818
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:23:37.818 --> 00:23:40.338
You have to kind of love that style sitting by a fire.

00:23:40.338 --> 00:23:42.019
It's like a port wine in some ways to me.

00:23:42.078 --> 00:23:42.409
Correct.

00:23:42.439 --> 00:23:42.739
Yeah.

00:23:42.743 --> 00:23:50.209
It's, it's really, I mean, it's the strongest beer that the English made and, um, so yeah, I mean it's, it's just, it's a winter winter beer.

00:23:50.209 --> 00:23:58.878
I mean, it's, it's, they were making it in the winter time and it's would survive a long time because all the alcohol and I think it's, uh, underappreciated style.

00:23:59.028 --> 00:24:03.769
Um, but it's definitely kind of an acquired taste, special occasion.

00:24:04.278 --> 00:24:05.538
It's not an everyday drinker.

00:24:05.628 --> 00:24:06.648
It's not a lawnmower beer.

00:24:06.913 --> 00:24:07.999
Yeah, it's not a shower beer.

00:24:09.679 --> 00:24:10.834
I mean, you can, yeah.

00:24:10.838 --> 00:24:11.118
Yeah.

00:24:11.179 --> 00:24:16.638
But it's funny, there's a whole entire group on Facebook called Barley Wine is Life.

00:24:17.148 --> 00:24:28.638
And um, yeah, our brewers, he, he posts on there quite a bit, but yeah, it's funny'cause they, there's a thing called like barley wine chugging actually opening a can and chugging the whole can change your day.

00:24:29.179 --> 00:24:29.358
Yeah.

00:24:29.358 --> 00:24:30.858
I like barley wine, but I've never done it.

00:24:31.578 --> 00:24:32.749
I like to sip on it.

00:24:32.808 --> 00:24:35.449
They're usually like 11% or something like that.

00:24:35.479 --> 00:24:35.690
Yeah, yeah.

00:24:35.719 --> 00:24:36.108
Usually.

00:24:36.108 --> 00:24:36.259
Yeah.

00:24:36.259 --> 00:24:37.759
Double double digits and up.

00:24:37.763 --> 00:24:37.874
Yeah.

00:24:37.939 --> 00:24:38.328
Yeah.

00:24:38.509 --> 00:24:43.368
I mean, ours are a regular ones, the lowest is 11 and the highest is.

00:24:43.759 --> 00:24:44.598
Been 18.

00:24:44.719 --> 00:24:46.038
Oh yeah.

00:24:47.989 --> 00:24:54.078
And Angie, what's your, uh, how would you describe your, uh, your job Oh, at promoting these days?

00:24:54.078 --> 00:24:59.449
If Josh is kind of operations overseer, I am the, the pencil pusher, kinda the back of the house.

00:24:59.479 --> 00:24:59.719
Yeah.

00:24:59.778 --> 00:25:01.459
Finance, admin, hr.

00:25:01.638 --> 00:25:01.909
Yeah.

00:25:02.239 --> 00:25:02.929
All of that.

00:25:02.959 --> 00:25:09.588
Um, and then I definitely, um, kind of am leading the gap, the gap between the kitchen and the front of house right now.

00:25:09.588 --> 00:25:09.679
Mm-hmm.

00:25:09.824 --> 00:25:10.064
Mm-hmm.

00:25:10.069 --> 00:25:12.769
Kind of, you know, helping both of those at north.

00:25:13.128 --> 00:25:15.019
Um, so it's, it's a lot of fun.

00:25:15.048 --> 00:25:15.108
Yeah.

00:25:15.384 --> 00:25:15.503
Yeah.

00:25:15.503 --> 00:25:19.608
But yeah, it's, uh, I'm, I'm definitely usually the one behind the scenes for sure.

00:25:19.608 --> 00:25:19.788
Yeah.

00:25:19.788 --> 00:25:20.028
Yeah.

00:25:20.233 --> 00:25:21.223
But yeah.

00:25:21.223 --> 00:25:23.923
How much, uh, how much have you learned?

00:25:23.923 --> 00:25:26.743
Um, oh gosh, so much.

00:25:26.804 --> 00:25:28.334
I mean, we're learning every day.

00:25:28.334 --> 00:25:38.084
The restaurant portion is always, um, something new that, that's a challenge to figure out, uh, you know, between managing menus and food costing Yeah.

00:25:38.114 --> 00:25:39.253
And staffing.

00:25:39.644 --> 00:25:43.064
Um, so it's kind of like, it's little, its own little worlds.

00:25:43.259 --> 00:25:43.548
Yeah.

00:25:43.753 --> 00:25:44.144
Yeah.

00:25:44.173 --> 00:25:45.223
I was just thinking about that.

00:25:45.223 --> 00:25:48.134
Like, you know, a restaurant will have a manager, right?

00:25:48.163 --> 00:25:48.403
Mm-hmm.

00:25:48.644 --> 00:25:48.644
But.

00:25:49.009 --> 00:25:58.009
But that's with all the revenues of the restaurant can pay that manager when you've got a 15% or 22% or 27% of your revenues.

00:25:58.009 --> 00:25:58.098
Yes.

00:25:58.098 --> 00:25:59.824
Like you can't have like a whole Yeah.

00:25:59.824 --> 00:26:03.019
It's, it's not full-time chef, like figuring out your restaurant enough moneymaker Yeah.

00:26:03.019 --> 00:26:05.929
To have its own human that just runs it.

00:26:05.929 --> 00:26:06.344
So, yeah.

00:26:06.453 --> 00:26:06.743
Yeah.

00:26:07.009 --> 00:26:09.618
So, but, um, we have such an amazing team there now.

00:26:09.618 --> 00:26:15.318
I think that's the biggest thing that we've learned is that, you know, you gotta have the right people in place.

00:26:15.318 --> 00:26:19.788
And now we have a friend of house team and a back of house team that work really well together.

00:26:20.269 --> 00:26:22.278
That's also a hard thing to accomplish.

00:26:22.278 --> 00:26:29.239
It took us every bit of the first year to, to get that team in place that works so good together and get a new culture, you know?

00:26:29.239 --> 00:26:29.538
Yeah.

00:26:29.568 --> 00:26:34.219
I mean, we have, you know, such a defined culture in Loveland and, and we know what it is.

00:26:34.338 --> 00:26:34.669
Yeah.

00:26:34.759 --> 00:26:37.878
And here we thought that that would be easier to figure out.

00:26:37.878 --> 00:26:38.058
Yeah.

00:26:38.384 --> 00:26:42.499
It was ing it was, it was challenging to, to find what our culture was.

00:26:43.084 --> 00:26:44.973
Based upon our staff.

00:26:45.003 --> 00:26:50.523
Well, I mean, ING and what we're doing like in Loveland, you're one of the OG breweries.

00:26:50.528 --> 00:26:50.608
Mm-hmm.

00:26:50.689 --> 00:26:51.048
First of all.

00:26:51.118 --> 00:26:51.409
Yeah.

00:26:51.409 --> 00:26:51.568
Right?

00:26:51.568 --> 00:26:51.769
Mm-hmm.

00:26:51.773 --> 00:26:52.773
And you got a great reputation.

00:26:52.773 --> 00:26:53.854
Everybody knows about you right?

00:26:53.854 --> 00:26:54.784
Downtown.

00:26:55.023 --> 00:26:55.114
Mm-hmm.

00:26:55.354 --> 00:26:55.835
You're kind of a.

00:26:56.179 --> 00:26:59.838
Like the cool kids all wanna come work for you there, here in Fort Collins.

00:26:59.838 --> 00:26:59.929
Mm-hmm.

00:26:59.929 --> 00:27:01.219
You're like, what's verboten?

00:27:01.249 --> 00:27:01.519
Yes.

00:27:01.638 --> 00:27:01.729
Mm-hmm.

00:27:02.209 --> 00:27:02.989
It's funny.

00:27:02.989 --> 00:27:04.128
It's, um, you know.

00:27:04.128 --> 00:27:04.519
Yeah.

00:27:04.519 --> 00:27:06.949
And Loveland, it's, it is very true.

00:27:06.949 --> 00:27:10.013
People wanna work for us, uh, and people trust what we put out.

00:27:10.074 --> 00:27:10.294
Mm.

00:27:10.314 --> 00:27:10.733
Mm-hmm.

00:27:10.814 --> 00:27:18.048
And so, um, we, I don't wanna say we don't have to work hard'cause that's a big thing to, to, um, a big standard to keep.

00:27:18.138 --> 00:27:18.348
Right.

00:27:18.409 --> 00:27:20.358
But as long as we tow that line.

00:27:20.608 --> 00:27:22.078
People come to us Right.

00:27:22.078 --> 00:27:27.298
Moving into Fort Collins, you know, we're, we have the, a good reputation, but we still have to prove ourselves.

00:27:27.304 --> 00:27:27.484
Sure, sure.

00:27:27.484 --> 00:27:36.568
And so, you know, we've, we've really tried to focus on not just having great beer, but having great food and having great cocktails and having great wine.

00:27:36.568 --> 00:27:37.858
And, you know, it's.

00:27:38.413 --> 00:27:46.544
The learning process has been that sometimes we miss the mark on the way we do something because, you know, it's not, you know, our You're newer at this part.

00:27:46.544 --> 00:27:47.386
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:27:47.392 --> 00:27:48.729
Um, but I think that we've still got great beers.

00:27:48.733 --> 00:27:49.604
Yeah.

00:27:49.604 --> 00:27:49.888
We've got great cocktails.

00:27:49.909 --> 00:27:50.328
We know that.

00:27:50.328 --> 00:27:50.608
Yeah.

00:27:50.614 --> 00:27:50.864
Yeah.

00:27:50.983 --> 00:27:54.193
But I think that we've, like, we keep, continue to learn from our mistakes.

00:27:54.193 --> 00:27:57.824
So I think that we've elevated, um, things as we've gone along.

00:27:57.824 --> 00:28:06.913
We have this great kind of hidden gin program that people don't necessarily know, know about, but the ones that do come in for it pretty solidly, we have 30 gins on.

00:28:07.273 --> 00:28:07.364
Oh boy.

00:28:07.483 --> 00:28:08.023
And yeah.

00:28:08.023 --> 00:28:11.023
And they can come in and we serve them differently than other people do.

00:28:11.023 --> 00:28:13.364
We serve them more like a European gin bar would.

00:28:13.784 --> 00:28:19.334
Um, we have the garnish and the gin and then the tonics on the side, and they can kind of mix it themselves.

00:28:19.394 --> 00:28:19.663
The, yeah.

00:28:19.663 --> 00:28:20.923
Oh, that's, could you pick your garnish?

00:28:21.163 --> 00:28:22.034
Pick your tonic.

00:28:22.038 --> 00:28:22.808
Oh, that's really interesting.

00:28:22.808 --> 00:28:24.249
Like with herbs and stuff, kind of.

00:28:24.253 --> 00:28:24.263
Yeah.

00:28:24.263 --> 00:28:25.663
We have all kinds of Yeah.

00:28:25.669 --> 00:28:26.169
Have Oh, fun.

00:28:26.294 --> 00:28:28.513
And some suggested, we have some suggested ones too.

00:28:28.544 --> 00:28:28.753
Yeah.

00:28:28.753 --> 00:28:31.153
We can suggest a pairing or people can come in and play.

00:28:31.153 --> 00:28:31.213
Huh.

00:28:31.723 --> 00:28:32.923
And so it's kind of fun.

00:28:33.134 --> 00:28:33.943
My, uh.

00:28:34.398 --> 00:28:38.719
The chef of the restaurant where I first worked in college, the first restaurant I worked at.

00:28:38.723 --> 00:28:38.884
Mm-hmm.

00:28:39.259 --> 00:28:44.148
The Grainery, uh, Maurice, I hope you're still with us, um, but I kind of doubt it.

00:28:44.328 --> 00:28:53.538
Um, but Maurice was a really big guy, and, and after his shift each day, he would have a, uh, skip and go naked at the bar before he went home.

00:28:53.538 --> 00:28:54.229
Do you know what that is?

00:28:54.288 --> 00:28:54.348
No.

00:28:54.888 --> 00:28:55.669
You could offer this.

00:28:55.669 --> 00:28:57.858
This is a nice drink, Josh.

00:28:57.858 --> 00:29:05.209
I'll let you put the recipe together, but it's give or take, um, three shots of gin in a, like an 18 ounce cocktail glass.

00:29:05.298 --> 00:29:05.388
Mm-hmm.

00:29:05.898 --> 00:29:13.159
Um, maybe, uh, like I, I guess it's just sour, like a gimlet kind of, uh, limey kind of stuff.

00:29:13.219 --> 00:29:13.429
Mm-hmm.

00:29:13.818 --> 00:29:17.778
Um, and then top it all off with.

00:29:18.124 --> 00:29:21.183
Bud Light from the tap.

00:29:21.183 --> 00:29:21.243
Wow.

00:29:21.903 --> 00:29:24.213
Uh, so you got basically, is that the naked part?

00:29:24.334 --> 00:29:28.233
A beer and three shots of gin and an easy drinking Wow.

00:29:28.233 --> 00:29:28.534
Vessel.

00:29:28.534 --> 00:29:29.253
Oh, with ice.

00:29:29.314 --> 00:29:29.943
With ice.

00:29:29.943 --> 00:29:30.483
With ice, yes.

00:29:30.634 --> 00:29:30.963
All right.

00:29:30.963 --> 00:29:32.794
I'm gonna go back and make one of these today.

00:29:33.753 --> 00:29:34.564
It'll make you skip naked.

00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:35.219
We pilsner.

00:29:35.219 --> 00:29:35.338
Yeah.

00:29:36.179 --> 00:29:37.084
Pilsner should work.

00:29:37.084 --> 00:29:37.503
Yeah.

00:29:37.743 --> 00:29:38.134
All right.

00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:38.778
All right.

00:29:39.423 --> 00:29:40.534
Well, we'll get back to you on health.

00:29:40.564 --> 00:29:43.384
You might want to decrease the portion size.

00:29:43.384 --> 00:29:44.134
Just a touch.

00:29:44.284 --> 00:29:44.375
I say gin.

00:29:44.380 --> 00:29:45.213
The gin can, yeah.

00:29:45.213 --> 00:29:47.703
I really doubt you could skip much after that drink though.

00:29:48.273 --> 00:29:48.753
No.

00:29:48.753 --> 00:29:52.298
Well, when Reese was skipping 300 pounds, skip three 40 pounds maybe.

00:29:52.298 --> 00:29:54.213
Oh, it's like a memory skip like your memory?

00:29:54.423 --> 00:29:55.384
Yeah, more like that.

00:29:55.384 --> 00:29:55.713
Yeah.

00:29:55.713 --> 00:29:56.013
Yeah.

00:29:56.013 --> 00:29:58.594
Usually he would just have one and go home and I felt comfortable.

00:29:58.594 --> 00:30:00.183
But if he had a second one.

00:30:00.528 --> 00:30:03.348
You didn't know what kind of conversation we were gonna get out to with Maurice.

00:30:04.338 --> 00:30:04.429
Right.

00:30:04.429 --> 00:30:05.298
It should be a wild, yeah.

00:30:05.298 --> 00:30:07.038
Six shots and two beers, basically.

00:30:07.038 --> 00:30:08.028
But he taught me a ton.

00:30:08.028 --> 00:30:13.273
Like so much of what I actually know about cooking in a restaurant and, and whatever is, uh, yeah.

00:30:13.278 --> 00:30:13.669
Yeah.

00:30:13.729 --> 00:30:17.868
So, um, so talk about verboten South now a little bit.

00:30:17.868 --> 00:30:19.548
Like, uh, that's the barrel project.

00:30:19.548 --> 00:30:19.608
Yeah.

00:30:19.669 --> 00:30:20.794
That's the mm-hmm.

00:30:20.943 --> 00:30:21.874
More traditional.

00:30:21.993 --> 00:30:23.523
Tap room, I guess, right?

00:30:23.554 --> 00:30:24.003
Yes.

00:30:24.003 --> 00:30:24.005
Mm-hmm.

00:30:24.078 --> 00:30:32.463
Definitely more traditional, more, um, uh, experimentation as far as just, um, always doing something different there.

00:30:32.463 --> 00:30:35.614
Kind of always looking for something fun to do.

00:30:35.824 --> 00:30:35.854
Mm.

00:30:36.034 --> 00:30:37.114
Um, yeah.

00:30:37.114 --> 00:30:38.134
I mean, keeping that innovative motion.

00:30:38.134 --> 00:30:38.223
Yes.

00:30:38.759 --> 00:30:38.959
Yes.

00:30:38.959 --> 00:30:38.960
Yeah.

00:30:39.753 --> 00:30:41.913
Um, and it's just, it's always fun.

00:30:41.913 --> 00:30:49.564
I mean, it's so much about beer knowledge and, um, uh, new, new styles and experiment.

00:30:49.564 --> 00:30:51.334
When I've been in there, I've met a lot of people that.

00:30:51.554 --> 00:30:53.354
Are there all the time and it's obvious.

00:30:53.443 --> 00:30:53.683
Yes.

00:30:53.683 --> 00:30:53.953
Yeah.

00:30:53.953 --> 00:30:54.044
Yes.

00:30:54.044 --> 00:30:54.104
Yeah.

00:30:54.108 --> 00:30:55.723
We have a lot of, I mean, we have lot of regulars.

00:30:55.723 --> 00:30:58.153
We have a lot of, we have regulars that, that are there more than we are.

00:30:58.243 --> 00:30:58.394
I'm sure.

00:30:58.394 --> 00:31:02.098
We have a lot of people that met there that now are married and mm-hmm.

00:31:02.263 --> 00:31:04.604
And they come a lot of friends and hang out Yeah.

00:31:04.604 --> 00:31:06.223
And do other things together now.

00:31:06.223 --> 00:31:10.483
And so, I mean, that, that's, that's what's cool about tap rooms and that's what's always been fun.

00:31:10.604 --> 00:31:16.634
And the culture of Tap has that and 12 years of, of community there is amazing, like 12 years of Yeah.

00:31:16.634 --> 00:31:17.953
Getting to know people.

00:31:17.953 --> 00:31:24.584
Um, and so we have such a history there now that, uh, it just makes it, it's really a special place.

00:31:24.584 --> 00:31:32.653
I think it's just such part of the, um, the community now that it's just, it would truly be missed if we weren't there.

00:31:32.773 --> 00:31:32.983
Yeah.

00:31:33.074 --> 00:31:39.733
We just, you know, we're a place that people meet after work, or the first stop that people go to celebrate something.

00:31:40.183 --> 00:31:40.243
Yeah.

00:31:40.243 --> 00:31:42.284
You know, so it's pretty cool that we, yeah.

00:31:42.284 --> 00:31:45.493
If somebody's having a bachelor party downtown Loveland, you're for sure one of the stops.

00:31:45.913 --> 00:31:46.094
Yes.

00:31:46.094 --> 00:31:46.095
Right.

00:31:46.108 --> 00:31:46.818
Don't question about it.

00:31:46.828 --> 00:31:47.179
Right.

00:31:47.689 --> 00:31:52.009
And our, like, our employees, um, are part of the people's families now.

00:31:52.009 --> 00:31:54.259
They just know'em so well and so mm-hmm.

00:31:54.558 --> 00:31:59.509
You know, that's something that it's, it's a tight weave down there, and so we really love that part of it.

00:31:59.689 --> 00:31:59.868
Yeah.

00:32:00.259 --> 00:32:01.398
Josh, what's the name of this one?

00:32:01.669 --> 00:32:03.078
This, uh, the West Coast.

00:32:03.138 --> 00:32:04.429
Uh, this is Give me time.

00:32:04.548 --> 00:32:05.328
Give me time.

00:32:05.334 --> 00:32:05.483
Mm-hmm.

00:32:05.898 --> 00:32:07.489
Yeah, just West Coast IPA.

00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:08.058
Yeah.

00:32:08.058 --> 00:32:09.588
Um, pretty classic West Coast.

00:32:09.739 --> 00:32:13.219
I would say both like your hazy and your West Coast are pretty mm-hmm.

00:32:13.548 --> 00:32:14.509
Mainstream.

00:32:14.598 --> 00:32:14.719
Mm-hmm.

00:32:14.959 --> 00:32:15.469
Very good.

00:32:15.709 --> 00:32:16.159
Good.

00:32:16.189 --> 00:32:16.368
Yes.

00:32:16.608 --> 00:32:21.169
Within that, but, uh, not shocking in any particular fashion.

00:32:21.348 --> 00:32:21.409
Yeah.

00:32:21.409 --> 00:32:21.499
Mm-hmm.

00:32:21.499 --> 00:32:25.159
Do you have a, do you have a favorite, you favorite one over the other?

00:32:25.608 --> 00:32:27.409
Uh, well, I mean, I like hazy.

00:32:27.949 --> 00:32:28.098
Yeah.

00:32:28.098 --> 00:32:30.019
Generally speaking, I, I drink more haes.

00:32:30.019 --> 00:32:30.683
It's, it's, mm-hmm.

00:32:30.824 --> 00:32:35.568
You know, when I, when I find that West Coast that I like, it's just my mood.

00:32:35.838 --> 00:32:44.449
I mean, I'm a, I'm a hop head at heart, like, you know, people always ask me, I'm surprise, you haven't yet what my favorite beer is, and my answer always is.

00:32:45.034 --> 00:32:45.933
The beer in my hand.

00:32:46.683 --> 00:32:50.854
But, um, what I get after, you know, shift, long day.

00:32:51.273 --> 00:32:55.594
Usually something hoppy, a lot of times it's a pilsner or something light.

00:32:55.743 --> 00:32:58.173
But yeah, I always go to go to hoppy.

00:32:58.173 --> 00:33:02.253
If we're visiting a brewery somewhere, I'm always gonna try whatever hoppy they have on.

00:33:02.463 --> 00:33:02.554
Mm-hmm.

00:33:02.854 --> 00:33:05.134
I just, I just love the difference in hops.

00:33:05.134 --> 00:33:10.084
How can change, change just a base beer style and be so different within that style?

00:33:10.084 --> 00:33:10.983
Yeah, yeah.

00:33:10.983 --> 00:33:10.984
Mm-hmm.

00:33:11.074 --> 00:33:14.044
The same malt in it, same yeast even.

00:33:14.044 --> 00:33:18.364
And then the different hops, how different that beer can be, where everything else is the same.

00:33:18.364 --> 00:33:22.864
But at the, uh, at the greenhouse there that I just described to you.

00:33:22.864 --> 00:33:22.953
Mm-hmm.

00:33:23.374 --> 00:33:29.344
Um, the two most popular orders from me and Jill, uh, she was getting the crank anchor.

00:33:29.463 --> 00:33:29.644
Mm-hmm.

00:33:30.124 --> 00:33:34.203
Uh, and then I was getting, oh, it was, I think it's called like.

00:33:35.598 --> 00:33:36.378
Epic day.

00:33:36.798 --> 00:33:36.888
Mm-hmm.

00:33:36.993 --> 00:33:37.213
Yes.

00:33:37.398 --> 00:33:39.829
A double IPA from the same, uh mm-hmm.

00:33:40.193 --> 00:33:40.973
Is it Una Vista?

00:33:41.233 --> 00:33:41.453
No.

00:33:41.453 --> 00:33:41.973
Eddie Line.

00:33:41.973 --> 00:33:42.574
Eddie Line.

00:33:42.624 --> 00:33:43.693
Eddie Line Brewing Company.

00:33:43.693 --> 00:33:43.894
Mm-hmm.

00:33:44.088 --> 00:33:45.229
They do a pretty good work down there.

00:33:45.229 --> 00:33:45.693
Oh yeah.

00:33:45.888 --> 00:33:46.068
Yeah.

00:33:46.068 --> 00:33:47.148
They make great, great stuff.

00:33:47.148 --> 00:33:47.328
Yeah.

00:33:47.538 --> 00:33:52.969
Jill was like, she hates double IPAs and Imperials usually'cause they're too sweet for her.

00:33:52.999 --> 00:33:53.193
Yeah.

00:33:53.193 --> 00:33:53.269
Yeah.

00:33:53.628 --> 00:33:55.699
Um, but that one, she was like, oh, that's pretty good.

00:33:56.179 --> 00:33:56.449
Oh yeah.

00:33:56.449 --> 00:33:56.450
Yeah.

00:33:56.509 --> 00:33:56.808
Nice.

00:33:56.808 --> 00:33:57.888
I was like, we be careful with that.

00:33:57.888 --> 00:34:01.009
That's, that was actually the first, first IPI liked was a double.

00:34:02.239 --> 00:34:02.509
Interesting.

00:34:02.509 --> 00:34:20.688
So that cut my teeth on craft beer and IPA, this was during the Hop Wars when, when Stone and everyone, you know, stone Brewery and everyone outta California was just, who could make the most bitter, the most over the top hockey like the IBU Wars, you know, it was IBU Wars inter International Bitterness units was.

00:34:21.364 --> 00:34:23.583
Signifies how the contrast bitter the beer is, right?

00:34:23.583 --> 00:34:29.403
So they were just trying to go higher and higher and make the most bitter thing and who could get more bitterness out of it.

00:34:29.403 --> 00:34:34.324
And it was kind of a joke because your palate can only taste so much bitterness anyways, right?

00:34:34.594 --> 00:34:36.393
It could be, it shuts down for it own purpose.

00:34:36.398 --> 00:34:41.103
It could be 90 IV or 5,000 and it's not gonna taste any more bitter.

00:34:41.434 --> 00:34:42.574
So it's a lot of just waste.

00:34:42.574 --> 00:34:47.884
But it came up during that time and it was like, man, this is stuff is taking the varnish off my teeth right now.

00:34:48.603 --> 00:34:49.744
And it wasn't that enjoyable.

00:34:49.744 --> 00:34:56.253
So it wasn't until the double IPA where that sweetness, it wasn't just all about bitterness, it was that little sweetness back into it.

00:34:56.259 --> 00:34:56.389
Yeah.

00:34:56.434 --> 00:34:56.733
Yeah.

00:34:56.733 --> 00:35:02.344
That it was like, okay, actually I like this one and, and now that, you know, fortunately that's changed.

00:35:02.373 --> 00:35:06.724
Everybody's brought it down and got it to a level that's more approachable.

00:35:06.784 --> 00:35:07.563
Yeah, yeah.

00:35:07.563 --> 00:35:07.565
Yeah.

00:35:07.909 --> 00:35:08.599
I feel like, yeah.

00:35:08.628 --> 00:35:14.208
IPAs now that are being produced are just, they're, they're so much more enjoy, enjoyable.

00:35:14.208 --> 00:35:19.429
I feel like we're, we're coming to this really great spot with IPAs where, uh, we understand what we're doing.

00:35:19.759 --> 00:35:25.489
People know what to do with hops now and how to treat them and, and so yeah, the product overall is just so much better.

00:35:25.518 --> 00:35:25.789
Yeah.

00:35:25.938 --> 00:35:26.719
Yeah, I would agree.

00:35:26.719 --> 00:35:27.409
Like it's mm-hmm.

00:35:27.438 --> 00:35:28.309
Become refined.

00:35:28.338 --> 00:35:28.699
Yeah.

00:35:28.759 --> 00:35:29.119
Yes.

00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:34.219
Not the wild wild West anymore, which I kind of enjoyed parts of the Wild, wild West, but there was some real.

00:35:34.639 --> 00:35:36.501
The shock value is not so great.

00:35:36.501 --> 00:35:37.548
Sometimes it's not as, yeah.

00:35:37.849 --> 00:35:38.869
Important to people.

00:35:38.869 --> 00:35:41.929
They want more drinkability out of what they're, they're enjoying.

00:35:41.934 --> 00:35:42.313
Mm-hmm.

00:35:42.534 --> 00:35:42.954
Mm-hmm.

00:35:43.309 --> 00:35:45.108
And what's next for you guys?

00:35:45.108 --> 00:35:50.958
Are you like, uh, well, Fort Collins is stable, let's do a third location, or is that something that you think about ever?

00:35:50.958 --> 00:35:51.018
No.

00:35:52.579 --> 00:35:53.688
Um, I don't know.

00:35:53.688 --> 00:35:57.739
Josh and I, we, um, we, we just, I was trying to keep this going.

00:35:57.798 --> 00:35:58.099
Yeah.

00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:02.179
We we're focused on just, you know, continuing to make everything run smoothly.

00:36:02.358 --> 00:36:02.539
Yeah.

00:36:02.628 --> 00:36:08.809
Um, Josh and I love to travel, so our idea is more to get everybody where they need to be and happy.

00:36:08.809 --> 00:36:11.509
And then check out for if we can make a little money.

00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:11.898
Yeah.

00:36:11.958 --> 00:36:14.088
And have you guys just pretty much take care of it.

00:36:14.119 --> 00:36:14.179
Yeah.

00:36:14.179 --> 00:36:15.199
That's kind of the goal.

00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:18.108
It can, if it can fuel our travel a little bit, that's awesome.

00:36:18.114 --> 00:36:18.313
Yeah.

00:36:18.313 --> 00:36:18.474
Yeah.

00:36:18.574 --> 00:36:19.034
So, yeah.

00:36:19.188 --> 00:36:19.639
Yeah.

00:36:19.639 --> 00:36:20.568
And we gotta get that point.

00:36:20.568 --> 00:36:25.128
I mean, you know, we've learned we gotta invest in your people and Yeah.

00:36:25.248 --> 00:36:26.509
Make sure that they're good.

00:36:26.719 --> 00:36:27.168
Um.

00:36:28.518 --> 00:36:29.958
And you can't just be checked out on them.

00:36:30.228 --> 00:36:30.559
Yeah.

00:36:30.619 --> 00:36:30.679
Yeah.

00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:32.434
And so, you know, I mean, we're working step Yeah.

00:36:32.434 --> 00:36:32.994
The owner checked out.

00:36:32.994 --> 00:36:34.159
Next step now is like, it's hard.

00:36:34.248 --> 00:36:34.699
Yeah.

00:36:34.759 --> 00:36:38.478
I mean our next step now is just making sure that everyone is in a good place that works for us.

00:36:38.478 --> 00:36:38.989
They're happy.

00:36:39.079 --> 00:36:39.168
Yeah.

00:36:39.168 --> 00:36:40.309
We take care of them.

00:36:40.759 --> 00:36:47.119
They're comfortable enough where they don't need us day to day and, and, and we could actually take.

00:36:47.418 --> 00:36:48.918
You know, and travel a little bit.

00:36:48.918 --> 00:36:49.543
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:36:49.608 --> 00:36:52.278
Um, if we, you know, that's, that's a dream.

00:36:52.909 --> 00:36:58.159
Have you guys traveled much lately, or, uh, well, with this new location, probably not so much.

00:36:58.159 --> 00:37:09.889
Not in the last year since we opened the new location, but my sister is getting married in Italy, so for our one year anniversary for the Fort Collins location, we're having a big IPA festival.

00:37:09.889 --> 00:37:11.088
It's our hopper anniversary.

00:37:11.148 --> 00:37:11.208
Okay.

00:37:11.208 --> 00:37:11.329
Yep.

00:37:11.509 --> 00:37:15.139
Um, we're gonna have 20 plus IPAs, uh, most.

00:37:15.344 --> 00:37:16.364
Of them ours.

00:37:16.364 --> 00:37:18.583
But then a, a, a few guest guests tap too.

00:37:18.643 --> 00:37:20.864
Yeah, several guests actually probably half and half.

00:37:21.134 --> 00:37:25.449
Um, and then the next day we fly to Italy for boy Okay.

00:37:25.548 --> 00:37:27.403
For my sister's wedding and whatever devastation has left over.

00:37:27.403 --> 00:37:29.324
Yeah, exactly.

00:37:29.324 --> 00:37:29.384
Yeah.

00:37:29.744 --> 00:37:34.123
So that'll be our first big trip since we opened, but, um, yeah.

00:37:34.123 --> 00:37:34.574
That's awesome though.

00:37:34.574 --> 00:37:39.494
I was gonna say, it's just been a year, so I think that was my promise to you is to make sure this episode comes out before the hop anniversary.

00:37:39.548 --> 00:37:39.768
Yes.

00:37:40.094 --> 00:37:40.244
Yes.

00:37:40.244 --> 00:37:42.164
So what's the It's Saturday.

00:37:42.164 --> 00:37:44.204
It's uh, Saturday, April 26th.

00:37:44.204 --> 00:37:44.534
Okay.

00:37:44.684 --> 00:37:47.623
Um, it's, we, it'll be open to the public.

00:37:47.623 --> 00:37:48.554
You can walk in.

00:37:48.793 --> 00:37:55.903
Um, but we also have a VIP, uh, session that will kind of, uh, have its own hour to try everything and then just ticketed.

00:37:56.114 --> 00:37:56.503
Yeah.

00:37:56.503 --> 00:37:59.414
And then, um, after that it's four and eight ounces.

00:37:59.414 --> 00:38:01.063
Come in and try what you want.

00:38:01.068 --> 00:38:01.329
Little fun.

00:38:01.329 --> 00:38:01.568
Yeah.

00:38:01.568 --> 00:38:03.489
Kinda old school beer festival kind of thing.

00:38:03.489 --> 00:38:03.728
Yeah, yeah.

00:38:03.728 --> 00:38:04.034
A little bit.

00:38:04.034 --> 00:38:05.443
And yeah, it should be fun.

00:38:05.443 --> 00:38:06.134
It, I like it.

00:38:06.164 --> 00:38:06.463
Yeah.

00:38:06.469 --> 00:38:07.608
It's parking lot party a little bit too.

00:38:07.608 --> 00:38:07.889
Mm-hmm.

00:38:08.028 --> 00:38:08.248
Yep.

00:38:08.248 --> 00:38:08.568
Mm-hmm.

00:38:08.768 --> 00:38:11.293
I take it some DJs, uh, some food.

00:38:11.293 --> 00:38:12.103
It, it'll be fun.

00:38:12.403 --> 00:38:12.673
Awesome.

00:38:13.518 --> 00:38:15.378
Um, and then what a week?

00:38:15.648 --> 00:38:17.204
10 days and two weeks.

00:38:17.684 --> 00:38:17.963
I love it.

00:38:17.963 --> 00:38:18.085
Two weeks.

00:38:18.108 --> 00:38:22.518
We're actually, finally, we're gonna go to Italy and then, um, Belgium and Germany.

00:38:22.518 --> 00:38:23.244
So be Oh, wow.

00:38:23.353 --> 00:38:23.643
Yeah.

00:38:23.653 --> 00:38:25.728
We'll be on Sardinia for the wedding.

00:38:26.028 --> 00:38:27.018
So it's a work trip.

00:38:27.018 --> 00:38:28.284
At least the part is Belgium.

00:38:28.489 --> 00:38:29.688
Belgium and Germany.

00:38:29.929 --> 00:38:32.358
Now that we, on a business, everything is a work trip.

00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:35.748
As long as Iris or the other Iris isn't listening right now.

00:38:35.748 --> 00:38:35.838
No.

00:38:35.838 --> 00:38:37.909
We're going to end at the, the Froing Fest.

00:38:37.909 --> 00:38:38.838
I think I'm saying that righting.

00:38:39.168 --> 00:38:39.438
I don't know.

00:38:39.438 --> 00:38:40.818
German Fest.

00:38:40.818 --> 00:38:43.039
It's a, it's the Spring Beer Fest in Munich.

00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:43.699
Oh yeah.

00:38:43.699 --> 00:38:46.248
So it's a, it's, it's miniature October Fest.

00:38:46.489 --> 00:38:50.059
So like October Fest, it's like a fourth of the size.

00:38:50.119 --> 00:38:50.599
I like it.

00:38:50.713 --> 00:38:50.934
Of Octoberfest.

00:38:51.528 --> 00:38:53.494
But you could still get 30, especially same thing, three ounce.

00:38:53.688 --> 00:38:54.018
Yeah.

00:38:54.079 --> 00:38:54.318
Yes.

00:38:54.318 --> 00:38:56.869
Boots in the big tent in the music and all that.

00:38:56.869 --> 00:38:57.974
So the whole thing, I like it.

00:38:57.974 --> 00:38:58.733
So that's mm-hmm.

00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:00.708
We haven't got to go to October Fest.

00:39:00.708 --> 00:39:04.608
It's a bucket list item for us, but we thought, oh, we gotta go for a wedding.

00:39:04.608 --> 00:39:05.599
It's a mini October fest.

00:39:05.603 --> 00:39:06.771
This is happening now.

00:39:06.771 --> 00:39:07.309
Anyway, so, yeah.

00:39:07.309 --> 00:39:09.409
So that'll be well easy into the, so yeah, of course.

00:39:09.409 --> 00:39:10.534
Like I said, it's a beer cation.

00:39:10.603 --> 00:39:11.813
Well, I, we do beer occasion.

00:39:11.813 --> 00:39:18.438
Well, I'm confident you'll come back to a sustainable operation and Uhhuh, maybe it'll even work better and give you more confidence.

00:39:19.039 --> 00:39:19.398
Oh yeah.

00:39:19.398 --> 00:39:19.400
Oh yeah.

00:39:19.579 --> 00:39:21.559
I mean, like I said, our team is so awesome.

00:39:21.559 --> 00:39:22.429
They, they'll have it.

00:39:22.878 --> 00:39:24.318
They, they're, they're great people.

00:39:24.318 --> 00:39:25.458
So I dig it.

00:39:25.608 --> 00:39:25.969
Yeah.

00:39:26.088 --> 00:39:32.088
Um, I am feeling like, uh, we might wanna jump back soon.

00:39:32.088 --> 00:39:32.179
Mm-hmm.

00:39:32.478 --> 00:39:33.858
But let's go ahead and have a short break.

00:39:33.858 --> 00:39:35.748
'cause me and Josh are both empty on our beer.

00:39:35.778 --> 00:39:36.199
Okay?

00:39:36.829 --> 00:39:37.128
Mm-hmm.

00:39:37.130 --> 00:39:37.130
Okay.

00:39:37.134 --> 00:39:37.143
Mm-hmm.

00:39:37.213 --> 00:39:37.653
Sounds good.

00:40:33.509 --> 00:40:34.289
And we're back.

00:40:34.289 --> 00:40:40.858
Uh, and, uh, so what I wanna do,'cause you, I think I got acquainted with you guys just after you opened mm-hmm.

00:40:41.099 --> 00:40:43.378
Probably way back in the day on Thais Court.

00:40:43.623 --> 00:40:44.309
Uh, Taurus.

00:40:44.309 --> 00:40:44.518
Yes.

00:40:44.518 --> 00:40:45.329
Taurus Court.

00:40:45.344 --> 00:40:45.563
Yes.

00:40:45.898 --> 00:40:46.409
Yes.

00:40:46.978 --> 00:40:50.789
Like, oh, let's, let's go back to like a, a year before.

00:40:50.849 --> 00:40:50.969
Mm-hmm.

00:40:51.389 --> 00:40:53.039
Uh, you opened verboten.

00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:55.559
Was it even an IDA yet or had you been planning it for years?

00:40:55.563 --> 00:40:57.059
It was, what was the situation?

00:40:57.059 --> 00:40:57.298
Yeah.

00:40:57.298 --> 00:40:59.518
We've been working on it for a couple years.

00:40:59.548 --> 00:40:59.938
Okay.

00:41:00.028 --> 00:41:00.509
Yeah.

00:41:00.563 --> 00:41:02.489
I, I think looking for the right location.

00:41:02.759 --> 00:41:03.119
Yeah.

00:41:03.148 --> 00:41:06.719
I mean, sounds crazy now, but we, uh.

00:41:07.494 --> 00:41:12.534
We were living in Fort Collins and we, we were looking all around, but specifically in Loveland.

00:41:12.563 --> 00:41:16.403
'cause we thought Fort Collins was oversaturated with breweries.

00:41:17.219 --> 00:41:18.148
They hadn't seen anything yet.

00:41:18.148 --> 00:41:20.148
It was probably going on 15 years ago now.

00:41:20.148 --> 00:41:20.963
Yeah, right.

00:41:21.114 --> 00:41:22.704
I'm like, how, why did we think that?

00:41:22.829 --> 00:41:22.989
Yeah.

00:41:25.284 --> 00:41:25.614
Yeah.

00:41:25.673 --> 00:41:29.333
Well, so he is, we're like, well, Loveland has less brewers.

00:41:29.784 --> 00:41:30.384
Breweries.

00:41:30.384 --> 00:41:38.094
And, um, there was a, a distiller across the street from the space, and he was a friend of ours and he's like, Hey, this building is available.

00:41:38.094 --> 00:41:39.114
You wanna come look at it?

00:41:39.114 --> 00:41:40.403
And was that Spring 44?

00:41:40.463 --> 00:41:41.184
Uh, no.

00:41:41.184 --> 00:41:41.514
When, when was that?

00:41:41.514 --> 00:41:42.173
Dancing Pines.

00:41:42.233 --> 00:41:43.313
Dancing Pines, okay.

00:41:43.313 --> 00:41:43.733
Yes.

00:41:43.914 --> 00:41:44.364
Long gone.

00:41:44.364 --> 00:41:45.923
Sold to, uh, family Jones.

00:41:45.983 --> 00:41:46.403
Yes.

00:41:46.409 --> 00:41:46.418
Yeah.

00:41:46.434 --> 00:41:46.884
Yeah.

00:41:46.884 --> 00:41:47.784
Now in the building there.

00:41:47.813 --> 00:41:48.023
Mm-hmm.

00:41:48.264 --> 00:41:49.009
On tourist court.

00:41:49.228 --> 00:41:55.434
But yeah, it seemed like a, like a great kind of marriage to have us both in this little bit more industrial area.

00:41:55.494 --> 00:42:00.054
Maybe we'd both bring people in and so yeah, we were, we started thinking about it.

00:42:00.173 --> 00:42:02.063
He was obsessed with the beer.

00:42:02.063 --> 00:42:04.043
I just wanted to own my own business.

00:42:04.164 --> 00:42:05.634
Um, and so it.

00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:07.268
Was a good time.

00:42:07.268 --> 00:42:09.909
We, you know, we didn't have anything to prevent us.

00:42:09.909 --> 00:42:11.409
We didn't have kids, so Yeah.

00:42:11.409 --> 00:42:14.048
There wasn't, uh, that concern if you go broke.

00:42:14.108 --> 00:42:15.759
Well, I can just work long.

00:42:15.759 --> 00:42:16.954
Us and the dog.

00:42:17.304 --> 00:42:18.313
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:42:18.373 --> 00:42:20.469
So, and what were you, what were you doing Josh?

00:42:20.469 --> 00:42:20.708
At the time?

00:42:20.708 --> 00:42:22.239
I did it for a small company.

00:42:22.418 --> 00:42:25.179
Um, I was a hardware guy, so, okay.

00:42:25.239 --> 00:42:29.438
I would fix broken hard drives and, you know, memory issues.

00:42:29.438 --> 00:42:32.768
And did they do that, rebuild computers for customers or you I, yeah.

00:42:32.768 --> 00:42:33.909
Did that for their company.

00:42:33.998 --> 00:42:35.168
I did that for this company.

00:42:35.173 --> 00:42:36.818
It was just, I mean, it was two of us.

00:42:37.088 --> 00:42:37.358
Gotcha.

00:42:37.358 --> 00:42:37.898
Two man shop.

00:42:37.929 --> 00:42:38.289
Okay.

00:42:38.289 --> 00:42:38.469
Yeah.

00:42:38.469 --> 00:42:38.679
Yeah.

00:42:39.398 --> 00:42:42.099
But you did it for other companies like, yeah, we did it for other companies.

00:42:42.099 --> 00:42:47.228
So kind of that, you know, five, uh, three to 15 employee range.

00:42:47.233 --> 00:42:47.679
Right, right.

00:42:47.768 --> 00:42:53.619
Where you would need help, you know, something breaks in-house, even a printer, you know, I was kind of the hardware guy.

00:42:53.708 --> 00:42:54.114
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:42:54.518 --> 00:42:55.748
And it was a great job.

00:42:55.748 --> 00:42:56.768
I really liked it.

00:42:56.858 --> 00:42:57.909
It was a leap.

00:42:58.028 --> 00:43:00.369
Um, I worked a lot from home.

00:43:00.938 --> 00:43:02.708
Um, I enjoyed the job.

00:43:02.708 --> 00:43:04.148
I could go out and, and.

00:43:04.688 --> 00:43:09.009
Play disc golf or golf, you know, you were kinda on call, take a lot, a lot of lunch.

00:43:09.009 --> 00:43:09.248
Yeah.

00:43:09.248 --> 00:43:10.898
On call, but after work nights.

00:43:10.898 --> 00:43:12.608
And I didn't mind that so much.

00:43:12.608 --> 00:43:15.489
And so it was, it was a nice, nice job.

00:43:15.489 --> 00:43:17.228
I, I liked, I liked that.

00:43:17.409 --> 00:43:24.083
And so even when this came up to do this, I was like, ah, man, I'm gonna trade like a job.

00:43:24.083 --> 00:43:28.809
I was working 30 ish hours and I'm gonna go to 60 to 80.

00:43:28.989 --> 00:43:29.409
Yeah.

00:43:29.498 --> 00:43:34.028
This is that, that was the hard leap I think, you know, are you really sure?

00:43:34.148 --> 00:43:34.688
Yeah.

00:43:34.688 --> 00:43:36.159
You know, and I was making decent money.

00:43:36.159 --> 00:43:37.628
So Was it your drive really?

00:43:37.628 --> 00:43:40.893
Like he was home brewing and you were like, I'm gonna go ahead and ride this Tony?

00:43:41.213 --> 00:43:41.739
Probably, yeah.

00:43:41.739 --> 00:43:44.588
I think if I hadn't been like, let's do it, let's go for it.

00:43:44.594 --> 00:43:45.014
He, yeah.

00:43:45.068 --> 00:43:48.969
He wouldn't, he'd have just stayed as a home brewer and I love beer enough.

00:43:48.969 --> 00:43:49.748
I was like, all right.

00:43:49.748 --> 00:43:50.139
Yeah.

00:43:50.318 --> 00:43:51.159
I mean, I can make beer.

00:43:51.159 --> 00:43:51.248
Mm-hmm.

00:43:51.489 --> 00:43:52.539
And it's gonna be, yeah.

00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:52.838
Yeah.

00:43:52.838 --> 00:43:53.574
It's gonna be a lot of fun.

00:43:54.653 --> 00:43:58.373
She's gonna work on the business part and the unfun stuff.

00:43:58.378 --> 00:43:59.034
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:43:59.728 --> 00:44:01.708
And what were you, what were you doing at the time?

00:44:01.728 --> 00:44:05.423
Um, I was, um, editor for NOCO Style magazine.

00:44:05.784 --> 00:44:05.903
Mm-hmm.

00:44:06.143 --> 00:44:06.773
Um, yeah.

00:44:06.773 --> 00:44:11.844
And I had been like a freelancer for them for years, then went on as editors, so, yeah.

00:44:11.844 --> 00:44:12.804
So that was your background mm-hmm.

00:44:13.043 --> 00:44:15.028
Was kind of writing content creation, things like that.

00:44:15.028 --> 00:44:15.389
Exactly.

00:44:15.568 --> 00:44:17.574
So the brand, this old.

00:44:17.614 --> 00:44:25.099
Uh, growler from literally probably 12 years ago, or 11 years ago or something, uh, has been my water bottle Yep.

00:44:25.648 --> 00:44:26.938
Here at the office for a long time.

00:44:27.123 --> 00:44:27.393
Yep.

00:44:27.454 --> 00:44:37.054
I remember when we had a, a couple that we started the brewery with, and I remember we, I would just send off lists of words and name possibilities and Oh, interesting.

00:44:37.054 --> 00:44:37.384
Yeah.

00:44:37.414 --> 00:44:43.083
And then, um, Otten was the one that everybody kinda gravitated towards and that we could build a story around.

00:44:43.083 --> 00:44:44.659
Oh, so you started with another couple at first?

00:44:44.733 --> 00:44:45.784
Yeah, we had another couple.

00:44:45.784 --> 00:44:45.813
Okay.

00:44:46.384 --> 00:44:53.614
They, they ironically had a young child, and so about a year and a half in, they realized that, hey, the work load was 60 hour weeks.

00:44:53.614 --> 00:44:54.753
It wasn't all fun.

00:44:54.813 --> 00:44:55.114
Yeah.

00:44:55.114 --> 00:44:58.833
It wasn't, it, it's, you didn't start making a bunch of money right away.

00:44:59.134 --> 00:45:02.974
No, they were, they talk to new business owners, new brewery owners, you know, all the time.

00:45:02.974 --> 00:45:04.713
Like, don't forget, this's still a business.

00:45:04.713 --> 00:45:06.213
Like you have to work hard at this.

00:45:06.244 --> 00:45:12.423
It's still, there's still money involved and brewing and there's a lot of fun to it, but there's a lot of things that aren't fun.

00:45:12.603 --> 00:45:13.054
Right.

00:45:13.054 --> 00:45:14.193
So you have to embrace.

00:45:14.498 --> 00:45:14.679
Both.

00:45:14.684 --> 00:45:14.914
Yeah.

00:45:15.128 --> 00:45:15.248
Yeah.

00:45:15.248 --> 00:45:18.278
Well, and like to be prepared for both, how much did it cost?

00:45:18.489 --> 00:45:21.128
Like you had a relatively affordable location.

00:45:21.128 --> 00:45:21.579
Yeah.

00:45:21.668 --> 00:45:28.148
Couple of, I mean, you know, things, I feel like we got into it for right around a hundred thousand at the time.

00:45:28.179 --> 00:45:28.268
Oh wow.

00:45:28.748 --> 00:45:29.858
So that was pretty low.

00:45:29.858 --> 00:45:32.409
But we started with a three barrel baby.

00:45:32.978 --> 00:45:33.010
Oh, gotcha.

00:45:33.014 --> 00:45:41.833
Brewing 90 gallons at a time, you know, so now we're at a 15 barrel, you know, brew house in Loveland and still have that three barrel.

00:45:41.833 --> 00:45:42.273
Yeah, yeah.

00:45:42.273 --> 00:45:43.329
We still have the three barrel.

00:45:43.333 --> 00:45:44.918
That's your experimental thing still to action.

00:45:44.918 --> 00:45:45.369
Yeah.

00:45:45.398 --> 00:45:49.090
So, but yeah, so it wasn't a huge, it wasn't a huge capital thing.

00:45:49.096 --> 00:45:49.353
Yeah.

00:45:49.568 --> 00:45:50.739
Capital investment.

00:45:50.798 --> 00:45:53.949
But it was a lot of time and energy.

00:45:53.978 --> 00:45:54.068
Sure.

00:45:54.068 --> 00:45:58.329
And I feel like that's the thing that trips, um, business owners up sometimes is, yeah.

00:45:58.568 --> 00:46:02.199
I mean, you can come up with capital, it's sometimes it's a pain, but you can come up with it.

00:46:02.259 --> 00:46:02.349
Yep.

00:46:02.648 --> 00:46:07.059
Um, but, you know, putting in the hours, that's a whole different animal.

00:46:07.059 --> 00:46:09.429
And I feel like that's sometimes is where we lose people.

00:46:09.489 --> 00:46:10.179
So you were.

00:46:10.583 --> 00:46:13.943
You stayed as editor for the style for a while too, right?

00:46:13.943 --> 00:46:14.003
Yeah.

00:46:14.063 --> 00:46:14.393
Yes.

00:46:14.393 --> 00:46:15.384
Like you were doing both?

00:46:15.563 --> 00:46:15.773
Yeah.

00:46:15.773 --> 00:46:21.264
We had an agreement with the other couple that Josh would be the first to go full-time and I would be the last to go full time.

00:46:21.264 --> 00:46:21.983
Oh, okay.

00:46:21.989 --> 00:46:24.789
Um,'cause you had a job kind of more Yeah, but we So a paying job.

00:46:24.789 --> 00:46:25.389
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:46:25.764 --> 00:46:29.094
But we ended up buying them out at about two and a half years in.

00:46:29.094 --> 00:46:29.123
Okay.

00:46:29.543 --> 00:46:33.534
And so when we bought them out, then I came on full-time to help.

00:46:33.534 --> 00:46:33.594
Yeah.

00:46:33.653 --> 00:46:38.724
But then, uh, you know, like throughout the years I've gone back to working full-time for my old job.

00:46:39.114 --> 00:46:44.748
Uh, you know, you do what the business needs and sometimes it needed me to go away if you need to hire somebody to do something.

00:46:45.059 --> 00:46:45.389
Well, yeah.

00:46:45.389 --> 00:46:46.614
If it didn't have the money for me.

00:46:46.614 --> 00:46:46.884
Yeah.

00:46:47.333 --> 00:46:47.903
Interesting.

00:46:47.994 --> 00:46:48.293
Yeah.

00:46:48.353 --> 00:46:54.204
Well, I think that's a great kind of tip of the hat toward the sacrifice that can be involved with launching a business.

00:46:54.208 --> 00:46:54.429
Mm-hmm.

00:46:54.509 --> 00:46:56.364
And even for running it for a while.

00:46:56.364 --> 00:46:56.664
Right?

00:46:56.903 --> 00:46:57.143
Yeah.

00:46:57.143 --> 00:47:01.043
I mean, you know, you look at businesses that have been there for a long time.

00:47:01.043 --> 00:47:04.824
You, I have a huge respect for'em because, you know, it's never stagnant.

00:47:04.824 --> 00:47:06.204
It never stays the same.

00:47:06.293 --> 00:47:08.603
And so you have to roll with the punches mm-hmm.

00:47:08.844 --> 00:47:10.014
Over and over again and.

00:47:10.659 --> 00:47:14.259
So what was your drive to to have your own business?

00:47:14.259 --> 00:47:16.298
Was it because you were in small business?

00:47:16.298 --> 00:47:17.829
I think because you grew up in a family like that.

00:47:17.903 --> 00:47:19.539
I think I grew up in a family like that.

00:47:19.539 --> 00:47:19.568
Okay.

00:47:19.568 --> 00:47:20.858
We had a family that was.

00:47:21.233 --> 00:47:22.523
Uh, you know, crazy.

00:47:22.523 --> 00:47:27.864
Never, never had a, a set schedule, always doing different things.

00:47:28.164 --> 00:47:31.463
If we went on a family vacation, we decided the day before to go.

00:47:32.088 --> 00:47:32.438
Right.

00:47:32.438 --> 00:47:34.358
Because, you know, my dad, things are kind of quiet right now.

00:47:34.449 --> 00:47:34.838
Let's go.

00:47:34.844 --> 00:47:35.063
Yeah.

00:47:35.333 --> 00:47:38.123
My dad had his own business, he had several businesses.

00:47:38.123 --> 00:47:43.224
So I think that, um, that drive to kind of drive my own ship too.

00:47:43.434 --> 00:47:43.494
Yeah.

00:47:43.704 --> 00:47:47.278
I really like to be able to be my own boss and Yeah.

00:47:47.579 --> 00:47:48.864
And so I always liked that.

00:47:48.864 --> 00:47:50.423
And I like the idea of building something.

00:47:50.454 --> 00:48:00.534
I mean, that's the thing that has kept us going is Josh's love of what he did and my love of watching it grow and seeing it be successful.

00:48:00.623 --> 00:48:00.864
Yeah.

00:48:00.864 --> 00:48:01.704
That is huge to me.

00:48:01.739 --> 00:48:04.974
That's the people, it's the numbers, it's all, it's the whole, that whole thing.

00:48:05.123 --> 00:48:05.213
Yeah.

00:48:05.213 --> 00:48:09.983
When it comes together and it's like important to people, that's pretty cool.

00:48:10.103 --> 00:48:10.403
Yeah.

00:48:10.403 --> 00:48:10.764
Mm-hmm.

00:48:10.978 --> 00:48:11.199
So.

00:48:12.639 --> 00:48:13.929
Did it catch on right away?

00:48:14.048 --> 00:48:17.693
Like No, I mean, you, it was a rough location to be honest.

00:48:17.693 --> 00:48:17.853
Yeah.

00:48:17.853 --> 00:48:18.728
It was a rough location.

00:48:18.818 --> 00:48:23.739
So when we, um, bought out our business partners, we also moved Oh.

00:48:23.739 --> 00:48:25.449
And at that time we moved to downtown.

00:48:25.478 --> 00:48:25.748
Yeah.

00:48:25.778 --> 00:48:27.849
So it was, we were shut down for five months.

00:48:27.849 --> 00:48:29.858
It was Well, and you had to find some capital Yeah.

00:48:29.858 --> 00:48:33.099
Both to buy them out and to build out this new place and stuff.

00:48:33.099 --> 00:48:33.458
Yes.

00:48:33.489 --> 00:48:35.588
Thank goodness for, uh, real estate.

00:48:36.278 --> 00:48:42.094
We sold a house and, and the proceeds, um, we were able to use to kinda help the business move and, yeah.

00:48:42.094 --> 00:48:42.333
Yeah.

00:48:42.474 --> 00:48:43.838
Uh, and then we, and when was this?

00:48:43.898 --> 00:48:48.429
This was, uh, we shut down in 2015 and reopened in, in 2016.

00:48:48.608 --> 00:48:48.938
Oh, wow.

00:48:48.969 --> 00:48:49.298
Yeah.

00:48:49.298 --> 00:48:51.219
So And so you had a period of time.

00:48:51.219 --> 00:48:51.369
Yeah.

00:48:51.369 --> 00:48:51.849
Did you have.

00:48:52.384 --> 00:48:54.454
Wholesale production going or anything at that time?

00:48:54.543 --> 00:48:55.054
Or you a brew bunch?

00:48:55.088 --> 00:48:55.849
We were contract brewing.

00:48:55.878 --> 00:48:56.168
Yeah.

00:48:56.509 --> 00:48:57.409
Um, snowbank.

00:48:57.568 --> 00:48:58.329
Snowbank now.

00:48:58.329 --> 00:48:58.528
Okay.

00:48:58.528 --> 00:49:00.048
Tim, which is now Tim is in that.

00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:00.489
Okay.

00:49:00.509 --> 00:49:00.728
Yep.

00:49:00.869 --> 00:49:02.914
Um, they were doing our contract brewing.

00:49:02.914 --> 00:49:04.289
I remember the, when they were doing some contract brewing for a while.

00:49:04.353 --> 00:49:06.873
I mean, we were barely hanging on there for a minute.

00:49:06.873 --> 00:49:07.353
Is that right?

00:49:07.353 --> 00:49:07.804
Yeah.

00:49:07.833 --> 00:49:13.474
And because it also, the industry was changing to where the tap room was your money maker.

00:49:13.563 --> 00:49:13.804
Right.

00:49:13.864 --> 00:49:20.494
You know, like, uh, wholesale that could supplement it, but really your money was made in the tap room and so, so you had to have a cool place.

00:49:20.643 --> 00:49:21.153
Yeah.

00:49:21.153 --> 00:49:26.134
And, and moving downtown, we kind of always felt like that would match us better anyways.

00:49:26.134 --> 00:49:27.844
We love the history, we love the people.

00:49:27.844 --> 00:49:29.673
We love to be around.

00:49:29.943 --> 00:49:30.184
Yeah.

00:49:30.244 --> 00:49:32.974
You know, the, the downtown, um, vibrancy.

00:49:33.063 --> 00:49:33.123
Yeah.

00:49:33.168 --> 00:49:33.289
Yeah.

00:49:33.293 --> 00:49:33.873
So, yeah.

00:49:33.994 --> 00:49:37.744
And so anyways moving there, it's, but it still, you know, it wasn't.

00:49:38.304 --> 00:49:45.713
Um, I wouldn't say it was really sustainable until, um, right about the, the pandemic.

00:49:45.713 --> 00:49:47.393
I think things changed a little bit.

00:49:47.393 --> 00:49:53.423
Like, I think after the pandemic downtown Loveland really activated in a way that it hadn't before.

00:49:53.454 --> 00:49:53.543
Yeah.

00:49:53.844 --> 00:49:59.994
And so people, instead of going, um, leaving town on the weekends to go to Fort Collins for dinner Hmm.

00:49:59.994 --> 00:50:01.554
They were staying in Loveland.

00:50:01.554 --> 00:50:01.704
Oh.

00:50:01.704 --> 00:50:04.643
And they were starting to really see some new businesses come in.

00:50:04.643 --> 00:50:04.704
Yeah.

00:50:04.708 --> 00:50:07.793
And, and so that I think is, I remember that about Loveland during the pandemic Yeah.

00:50:07.793 --> 00:50:17.903
Is there was a lot more kind of, not to, you know, insult Fort Collins or the Chamber here or whatever, but Loveland really bonded together at all in a much different way.

00:50:18.833 --> 00:50:19.134
Yeah.

00:50:19.134 --> 00:50:19.914
I, it just was, yeah.

00:50:19.914 --> 00:50:21.684
Mainly they, they got us heat, uh, they were.

00:50:22.403 --> 00:50:23.853
They paid our rent, Lance, the patio.

00:50:24.074 --> 00:50:24.773
Oh, really?

00:50:24.773 --> 00:50:26.349
Paid our rent for one year, one month.

00:50:26.349 --> 00:50:29.893
They paid our rent, um, through a And propane tanks.

00:50:29.923 --> 00:50:30.213
Yeah.

00:50:30.273 --> 00:50:33.878
And propane, like a, a stipend per month.

00:50:33.878 --> 00:50:40.568
And they just, they really worked hard and they also, they paid for everything outside all the patio space.

00:50:40.568 --> 00:50:40.628
Yeah.

00:50:40.778 --> 00:50:44.018
They also kept events going in downtown through the summer.

00:50:44.139 --> 00:50:44.438
Yeah.

00:50:44.438 --> 00:50:44.440
Yeah.

00:50:44.588 --> 00:50:49.298
So, you know, they had to be, of course, outdoors, but they kept out live music going.

00:50:49.298 --> 00:50:49.358
Yeah.

00:50:49.454 --> 00:50:49.653
Yeah.

00:50:49.659 --> 00:50:53.648
And I think it just meant so much to, uh, the community that Yeah.

00:50:53.648 --> 00:50:57.278
I, after that, uh, downtown Loven was a different animal.

00:50:57.369 --> 00:50:57.579
Yeah.

00:50:57.579 --> 00:50:57.909
Cool.

00:50:57.998 --> 00:50:58.088
Mm-hmm.

00:50:58.088 --> 00:50:58.418
Yeah.

00:50:58.478 --> 00:51:03.039
You know, I, I think, uh, we didn't, I mean, we saw a lot of efforts mm-hmm.

00:51:03.179 --> 00:51:04.028
And a lot of changes.

00:51:04.088 --> 00:51:04.179
Yeah.

00:51:04.213 --> 00:51:06.278
And, you know, tents where you could eat outside mm-hmm.

00:51:06.338 --> 00:51:09.639
And stuff like that in Fort Collins, but it wasn't the same kind of Yeah.

00:51:09.668 --> 00:51:11.498
We're all in this together kind of vibe, so, yeah.

00:51:12.248 --> 00:51:15.548
And then maybe it's,'cause um, Lovelands downtown is smaller.

00:51:16.119 --> 00:51:16.418
Yeah.

00:51:16.418 --> 00:51:17.259
So they could, they could do that.

00:51:17.289 --> 00:51:17.438
Yeah.

00:51:17.438 --> 00:51:18.188
More approachable.

00:51:18.193 --> 00:51:18.213
Yeah.

00:51:18.384 --> 00:51:18.733
Kinda.

00:51:19.838 --> 00:51:19.898
Yeah.

00:51:19.898 --> 00:51:19.900
Mm-hmm.

00:51:19.934 --> 00:51:20.454
That makes sense.

00:51:20.474 --> 00:51:20.893
Mm-hmm.

00:51:21.114 --> 00:51:21.333
Um.

00:51:22.074 --> 00:51:26.784
So when did you kind of come back into full-time?

00:51:27.054 --> 00:51:31.463
Uh, were you there working a little bit for a while or did you No.

00:51:31.463 --> 00:51:40.554
So from November, 2019 until, um, what was it, uh, two years ago in May, I was working full-time.

00:51:40.958 --> 00:51:47.048
Uh, for, uh, NOCO Style Magazine and part-time for Loveland, um, tap room.

00:51:47.048 --> 00:51:49.389
And, uh, did that for a minute.

00:51:49.389 --> 00:51:53.739
Then, uh, may, I was like, ah, I can't split my brain and my energy this way anymore.

00:51:54.009 --> 00:51:54.153
Yeah, too hard.

00:51:54.159 --> 00:51:56.619
So, yeah, so I, uh, left the magazine.

00:51:56.619 --> 00:51:59.708
I just freelance occasionally for them now, which is fun.

00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:06.369
Um, but I came back to Loveland and then about a year later, well less than a year later, were.

00:52:06.568 --> 00:52:08.489
Deciding to open a second location.

00:52:08.579 --> 00:52:10.563
Well, it was kind of like, well, I got, there's, yeah.

00:52:10.679 --> 00:52:11.489
There's enough of me.

00:52:11.489 --> 00:52:12.748
I got a little more of me now.

00:52:13.079 --> 00:52:13.440
Yeah, yeah.

00:52:13.463 --> 00:52:17.188
You know, where I was super spread thin as a one third time employee.

00:52:17.518 --> 00:52:23.699
And I think once you, once you start a business, you, you have to strive to start like three or four more.

00:52:24.389 --> 00:52:24.478
Right.

00:52:24.478 --> 00:52:32.789
So, so, you know, we were thinking a second location might be kind of cool, and I was like, and to be able to do something a little bit different.

00:52:32.789 --> 00:52:32.849
Yeah.

00:52:32.909 --> 00:52:36.239
That kind of, I don't know, pulls in some of my passions too.

00:52:36.239 --> 00:52:41.159
I do love food, Josh and I, um, we, food is a big part of our lives.

00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:41.159
Yeah.

00:52:41.458 --> 00:52:41.518
Yeah.

00:52:41.548 --> 00:52:42.539
So we love to cook.

00:52:42.539 --> 00:52:43.739
We love to go out to eat.

00:52:44.068 --> 00:52:47.443
Um, anyways, to be able to do these things was really exciting and Yeah.

00:52:47.583 --> 00:52:51.298
Fed your creativity a little bit more than just in a different way.

00:52:51.304 --> 00:52:52.083
Do, how do we Yeah.

00:52:52.083 --> 00:52:54.563
I feel like that's incrementally improve the level and locations.

00:52:54.594 --> 00:52:54.884
Yeah.

00:52:54.884 --> 00:52:55.003
Yeah.

00:52:55.009 --> 00:52:55.168
Yeah.

00:52:55.168 --> 00:52:56.039
I think that's a lot.

00:52:56.039 --> 00:52:58.018
You know, the entrepreneur song Yeah.

00:52:58.018 --> 00:53:02.099
Is, is at some point an entrepreneur wants the next challenge.

00:53:02.103 --> 00:53:02.284
Yeah.

00:53:02.289 --> 00:53:02.429
Yeah.

00:53:02.429 --> 00:53:02.699
A little bit.

00:53:03.219 --> 00:53:03.509
Yeah.

00:53:03.528 --> 00:53:11.268
And, and maybe, maybe, you know, they're, whatever they're doing is always a challenge, but, um, yeah, you're always cursing yourself.

00:53:11.418 --> 00:53:11.708
Yeah.

00:53:11.708 --> 00:53:12.983
You're just in the process.

00:53:12.983 --> 00:53:14.829
So we just felt like this was like the next challenge.

00:53:14.889 --> 00:53:15.309
Mm-hmm.

00:53:15.389 --> 00:53:22.793
Like what's the next challenge after being in this, at that point when we started thinking about was 10 years or 10 year, and it's like, yeah, what's the next thing?

00:53:22.793 --> 00:53:25.103
What's, what's the next challenge for us?

00:53:25.224 --> 00:53:25.704
You know?

00:53:26.423 --> 00:53:26.483
Yeah.

00:53:26.483 --> 00:53:27.173
Fine dining.

00:53:27.173 --> 00:53:28.309
It was fine dining.

00:53:28.469 --> 00:53:29.123
Fine dining.

00:53:29.123 --> 00:53:31.284
Get that Michelin star before you were 50.

00:53:31.284 --> 00:53:31.914
Oh boy.

00:53:31.918 --> 00:53:33.083
Another, another restaurant.

00:53:33.083 --> 00:53:35.333
Maybe just restaurant only this time.

00:53:35.333 --> 00:53:35.393
Yeah.

00:53:35.393 --> 00:53:37.943
I kid, I kid and old though.

00:53:37.943 --> 00:53:38.753
That's a problem.

00:53:39.023 --> 00:53:39.204
It is.

00:53:39.204 --> 00:53:41.364
And the energy doesn't quite like where it was month.

00:53:41.364 --> 00:53:43.463
Yeah, yeah.

00:53:43.463 --> 00:53:45.653
We're both, uh, courting 50, so are you?

00:53:45.708 --> 00:53:45.869
Yes.

00:53:45.869 --> 00:53:46.188
Uhhuh.

00:53:46.313 --> 00:53:49.028
I just turned last summer, so, uh, yeah.

00:53:49.648 --> 00:53:54.623
So it is true that you don't quite like the, the idea of 60 hour weeks now.

00:53:54.628 --> 00:53:54.748
Yeah.

00:53:54.753 --> 00:53:55.164
Yeah.

00:53:55.224 --> 00:53:57.443
Like starting, you know, 38 is a lot different.

00:53:57.443 --> 00:53:59.094
Or 39 or whatever.

00:53:59.094 --> 00:54:00.989
It's 38 when the business, yeah.

00:54:00.989 --> 00:54:01.108
Yeah.

00:54:01.764 --> 00:54:07.583
It's, uh, yeah, like kind of the swan song of the, uh, 60 hour, week willingness kind of thing, right?

00:54:07.943 --> 00:54:08.094
Yeah, no.

00:54:08.574 --> 00:54:16.224
So let's, uh, let's do, um, like if your key employees that have been with you the longest mm-hmm.

00:54:17.184 --> 00:54:23.753
Um, if they were here in the studio and I asked them, what, what do you think really sets verboten apart?

00:54:23.903 --> 00:54:26.153
Like, why, why have you been here for so long?

00:54:26.199 --> 00:54:26.289
Oh yeah.

00:54:27.474 --> 00:54:29.324
Well, what would they say?

00:54:29.438 --> 00:54:33.608
I feel like they would say a, that the beer is really great.

00:54:33.608 --> 00:54:33.668
Yeah.

00:54:33.969 --> 00:54:38.318
And that they travel and they see that our product is really amazing.

00:54:38.318 --> 00:54:43.179
But that also it is, uh, a family endeavor.

00:54:43.179 --> 00:54:48.969
Like we, we never say that if we took a medal, it was because, um, so and so made one great beer.

00:54:49.449 --> 00:54:53.588
We always think like, we took that medal because all the things aligned.

00:54:53.594 --> 00:54:58.119
The team effort was there, the team was happy, and so the brewer was happy.

00:54:58.119 --> 00:55:03.188
And so we had the ability to focus in, in a really great way.

00:55:03.188 --> 00:55:12.219
In that moment in time, there's just never been a, a moment where, you know, everything was falling down around us and we still produced a, a medal winning beer.

00:55:12.369 --> 00:55:12.548
Yeah.

00:55:12.608 --> 00:55:16.179
It has always been that everybody was kind of in this really great space.

00:55:16.389 --> 00:55:16.514
You were in your groove kind of.

00:55:16.518 --> 00:55:16.804
Mm-hmm.

00:55:16.804 --> 00:55:16.963
Mm-hmm.

00:55:17.318 --> 00:55:17.588
Yeah.

00:55:17.588 --> 00:55:22.884
And I would say they, they would say, and I've heard them say this, you know, we share the same passion mm-hmm.

00:55:23.003 --> 00:55:24.489
For the industry.

00:55:24.489 --> 00:55:24.548
Yeah.

00:55:24.548 --> 00:55:24.909
Um.

00:55:25.958 --> 00:55:30.338
And that they appreciate that we're around and that we're interested.

00:55:30.344 --> 00:55:30.534
Yeah.

00:55:30.539 --> 00:55:30.728
Yeah.

00:55:30.728 --> 00:55:32.259
And that we're, we're there.

00:55:32.829 --> 00:55:33.009
Yeah.

00:55:33.009 --> 00:55:33.759
Invested.

00:55:33.759 --> 00:55:33.760
Yes.

00:55:33.760 --> 00:55:33.760
Invested.

00:55:34.298 --> 00:55:34.389
Mm-hmm.

00:55:34.628 --> 00:55:38.829
You know, we're, we're, we're not just off in the scenes, you know, asking where the money is.

00:55:38.918 --> 00:55:39.068
Yeah.

00:55:39.068 --> 00:55:40.449
Driving your Mercedes around.

00:55:40.509 --> 00:55:40.929
Yeah.

00:55:40.929 --> 00:55:41.228
Yeah.

00:55:42.128 --> 00:55:43.974
Fancy trips in Europe and whatnot.

00:55:43.978 --> 00:55:44.139
Yeah.

00:55:44.318 --> 00:55:52.358
No, we still come back and, I mean, there's no job in, in either space that we wouldn't do if we were called in to do it.

00:55:52.364 --> 00:55:52.614
Yeah.

00:55:52.688 --> 00:55:52.748
Yeah.

00:55:52.838 --> 00:55:55.208
And I think that's means a lot to them too.

00:55:55.208 --> 00:55:55.454
It's part of the culture.

00:55:55.563 --> 00:55:55.853
Yeah.

00:55:55.853 --> 00:55:56.173
Mm-hmm.

00:55:56.438 --> 00:55:56.889
It is.

00:55:57.068 --> 00:55:59.708
I should work hard because Josh and Angie work hard.

00:55:59.739 --> 00:56:00.188
Yeah.

00:56:00.188 --> 00:56:02.259
And they care about people and so I should care about people.

00:56:02.259 --> 00:56:02.739
Yeah.

00:56:02.739 --> 00:56:04.179
Think that all those things, that's important.

00:56:04.179 --> 00:56:04.958
Lead by example.

00:56:05.438 --> 00:56:05.648
Yeah.

00:56:05.648 --> 00:56:05.708
Yeah.

00:56:05.708 --> 00:56:05.753
Yeah.

00:56:06.023 --> 00:56:06.474
Fair enough.

00:56:07.014 --> 00:56:10.554
Um, let's go to, uh, little Angie first.

00:56:11.753 --> 00:56:14.873
Oh, because I know Josh, you were b you were born and raised in Fort Collins.

00:56:14.873 --> 00:56:15.293
Is that true?

00:56:15.298 --> 00:56:15.498
Uhhuh.

00:56:15.653 --> 00:56:16.253
Okay, that's true.

00:56:16.313 --> 00:56:17.454
So I know that part already.

00:56:17.454 --> 00:56:17.514
Yeah.

00:56:17.514 --> 00:56:18.503
'cause we stumbled on it.

00:56:18.503 --> 00:56:20.603
And where's little Angie at?

00:56:21.023 --> 00:56:22.313
I come from West Virginia places.

00:56:22.523 --> 00:56:22.853
West Virginia?

00:56:22.884 --> 00:56:23.153
Yep.

00:56:23.364 --> 00:56:23.994
Interesting.

00:56:24.054 --> 00:56:24.353
Yep.

00:56:24.443 --> 00:56:25.583
Oh, it was a Kentucky Common.

00:56:25.583 --> 00:56:26.543
Was that Yeah.

00:56:26.543 --> 00:56:28.224
Unusual brand I was thinking, yeah.

00:56:28.278 --> 00:56:29.418
So West Virginia.

00:56:29.418 --> 00:56:30.043
That's West Virginia.

00:56:30.043 --> 00:56:31.284
That's a real west in the city.

00:56:31.284 --> 00:56:33.798
Girl of West Virginia or real country girl.

00:56:33.798 --> 00:56:34.849
Real country girl.

00:56:34.878 --> 00:56:35.628
Okay.

00:56:35.628 --> 00:56:35.838
Yeah.

00:56:35.838 --> 00:56:36.048
All right.

00:56:36.259 --> 00:56:37.309
Well, one of five.

00:56:37.369 --> 00:56:39.949
Um, but I think I mentioned it.

00:56:40.009 --> 00:56:43.099
My, my dad, he owned several businesses.

00:56:43.099 --> 00:56:45.768
He had wanderlust like you wouldn't believe.

00:56:46.159 --> 00:56:49.099
I think, you know, it was only my mom that kept us in one place.

00:56:49.099 --> 00:56:52.429
He was like, let's move to Belize and let's move to this place.

00:56:52.429 --> 00:56:54.083
I read about and build houses in China.

00:56:54.083 --> 00:56:54.364
Yeah.

00:56:54.364 --> 00:56:54.364
Yeah.

00:56:54.708 --> 00:56:56.088
When I was 16, he tried to get.

00:56:56.353 --> 00:56:58.514
Us to move to Estes Park, ironically.

00:56:58.514 --> 00:56:58.543
Oh.

00:56:58.574 --> 00:57:00.373
And start a business there.

00:57:00.373 --> 00:57:05.083
And, um, and what were these businesses, what was he in construction or retail or?

00:57:05.083 --> 00:57:10.003
Well, he, uh, he, uh, buys and sells used equipment.

00:57:10.153 --> 00:57:10.273
Mm-hmm.

00:57:10.873 --> 00:57:13.784
Um, he had a trucking business for a while.

00:57:14.114 --> 00:57:18.853
Um, and then he has, uh, he was gonna build log cabins for a while.

00:57:18.853 --> 00:57:20.264
He did a little bit and, yeah.

00:57:20.349 --> 00:57:20.548
Yeah.

00:57:20.804 --> 00:57:22.813
Uh, he has a short attention span.

00:57:23.228 --> 00:57:23.708
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:57:24.018 --> 00:57:25.909
Kind of, kind of a dreamer type a little bit.

00:57:25.929 --> 00:57:26.349
Yes, yes.

00:57:26.409 --> 00:57:28.693
And so I, I have a fair share of that in me.

00:57:28.844 --> 00:57:29.143
Yes.

00:57:29.268 --> 00:57:31.393
I, I love the idea of a new challenge.

00:57:31.423 --> 00:57:33.344
I can't sit still for very long.

00:57:33.733 --> 00:57:35.384
I get bored pretty easy.

00:57:35.443 --> 00:57:37.994
And you were one of five and where in the order?

00:57:38.023 --> 00:57:39.614
I was the second child.

00:57:39.614 --> 00:57:40.664
First girl.

00:57:40.934 --> 00:57:41.204
Okay.

00:57:41.208 --> 00:57:41.628
So, yeah.

00:57:41.699 --> 00:57:41.989
Yeah.

00:57:41.989 --> 00:57:42.148
Yeah.

00:57:42.248 --> 00:57:44.114
So also, so the most responsible the whole time.

00:57:44.114 --> 00:57:44.204
Yes.

00:57:44.233 --> 00:57:48.523
Also the, the boss when, when they weren't around, so, yeah.

00:57:49.514 --> 00:57:49.664
Yeah.

00:57:49.664 --> 00:57:52.273
When I met her, it's the first time I went to the house.

00:57:52.873 --> 00:57:55.454
You turn on a road, dirt road, it's called Next Road.

00:57:55.454 --> 00:57:55.934
Mm-hmm.

00:57:56.018 --> 00:58:01.809
You drive a few miles back and then there's this log cabin on 35 acres in the woods in West Virginia.

00:58:02.018 --> 00:58:02.139
Mm-hmm.

00:58:02.139 --> 00:58:03.248
So give you an idea.

00:58:03.253 --> 00:58:03.849
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:58:03.849 --> 00:58:04.809
Country girl for sure.

00:58:04.809 --> 00:58:07.449
Like chickens and crit and stuff too, all that.

00:58:07.509 --> 00:58:10.989
But we also like wild children, we just wandered wherever we wanted.

00:58:10.989 --> 00:58:12.159
And with bare feet.

00:58:12.639 --> 00:58:12.878
Yeah.

00:58:12.878 --> 00:58:13.838
Like chasing raccoons.

00:58:13.929 --> 00:58:14.018
Mm-hmm.

00:58:14.018 --> 00:58:20.434
And whatever else mean, her older brother would, he'd go for days, he'd just go into the woods and go on for days and then, yeah.

00:58:20.679 --> 00:58:21.188
Interesting.

00:58:21.338 --> 00:58:24.548
But sometimes they'd get, so far you'd have to call home and say, come get me.

00:58:24.579 --> 00:58:25.030
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:58:25.208 --> 00:58:29.648
It was great though because we were all like creative in our own ways and For sure.

00:58:30.548 --> 00:58:40.514
And so, so I did always want to be this journalist that, uh, you know, was reporting on whatever, telling stories about a cool, interesting things around and stuff.

00:58:40.733 --> 00:58:44.289
Um, and so that was just something that stuck with me for a long time.

00:58:44.289 --> 00:58:48.608
And then I always wanted to own my own business and drive my own destiny, so, yeah.

00:58:48.608 --> 00:58:48.610
Yeah.

00:58:48.708 --> 00:58:49.518
I don't know.

00:58:50.418 --> 00:58:53.148
So what did that look like as you developed into a young lady?

00:58:53.148 --> 00:58:54.353
Like were you a good student?

00:58:54.543 --> 00:58:55.668
Were you, uh, yes.

00:58:55.668 --> 00:58:56.509
I, yep.

00:58:56.509 --> 00:59:00.648
I got a scholarship to go to West Virginia University.

00:59:01.099 --> 00:59:01.128
Okay.

00:59:01.128 --> 00:59:03.079
As a journalism major.

00:59:03.079 --> 00:59:07.998
Uh, did that, um, met outta school, uh, graduated.

00:59:08.028 --> 00:59:10.728
Then a couple years later, met Josh through mutual friends.

00:59:10.728 --> 00:59:10.759
Okay.

00:59:11.179 --> 00:59:12.469
When he was in Ohio.

00:59:12.469 --> 00:59:16.938
And so at the time I thought maybe I'd move to like Pittsburgh or another city.

00:59:16.938 --> 00:59:17.780
I, yeah.

00:59:17.780 --> 00:59:17.780
Yeah.

00:59:17.780 --> 00:59:19.548
I had a big desire to go to a city.

00:59:19.909 --> 00:59:22.668
Um, and then instead he lured me to Fort Collins.

00:59:22.668 --> 00:59:23.929
So, well, and we'll come back to him.

00:59:23.929 --> 00:59:29.313
It's easy why you were in Ohio, but I just have her visit once and you're like, do you wanna move to Colorado?

00:59:29.318 --> 00:59:29.539
Colorado?

00:59:29.568 --> 00:59:29.929
Yes.

00:59:29.929 --> 00:59:30.318
She said that way.

00:59:31.429 --> 00:59:37.009
So Josh, uh, gimme the circumstances of your, uh, youth, if you will.

00:59:37.358 --> 00:59:39.489
Yeah, grew up, uh, in Fort Collins, actually.

00:59:39.489 --> 00:59:40.119
LaPorte.

00:59:40.329 --> 00:59:40.688
Okay.

00:59:40.748 --> 00:59:41.648
Um, oh yeah.

00:59:41.648 --> 00:59:44.978
So, which is still kinda like the West Virginia of Northern Colorado.

00:59:44.978 --> 00:59:45.789
Northern Colorado.

00:59:45.909 --> 00:59:46.088
Yep.

00:59:47.079 --> 00:59:47.469
It's close.

00:59:47.469 --> 00:59:48.188
Love you LaPorte.

00:59:48.188 --> 00:59:49.838
I would move there if I had a chance.

00:59:49.838 --> 00:59:51.429
Even I'm on La Porte Avenue even, right?

00:59:51.489 --> 00:59:51.699
Oh yeah.

00:59:51.789 --> 00:59:55.778
His mom's still, it's Spanish for the port LA port.

00:59:55.958 --> 00:59:56.318
Yeah.

00:59:56.409 --> 00:59:58.958
Um, my mom still lives in the house that I grew up in.

00:59:59.048 --> 00:59:59.469
Oh, cool.

00:59:59.739 --> 01:00:05.048
Um, my dad died, you know, 20 years ago now, but he grew up in Wellington on a farm.

01:00:05.199 --> 01:00:05.559
Okay.

01:00:05.918 --> 01:00:13.599
And so he was, he was a farm boy at heart and I think he always hated, you know, living in, had to have some dumb job and living a house.

01:00:13.869 --> 01:00:15.728
Not have any chickens or goats or anything.

01:00:15.728 --> 01:00:15.938
Don't think.

01:00:15.938 --> 01:00:19.869
Oh, well we had chickens and goats and rabbits on the top, but not a real farm.

01:00:21.159 --> 01:00:21.159
Oh.

01:00:21.159 --> 01:00:21.161
You know.

01:00:21.429 --> 01:00:21.878
Oh, in the backyard.

01:00:21.878 --> 01:00:23.768
Pretty small house in LaPorte.

01:00:23.858 --> 01:00:24.338
Um.

01:00:25.403 --> 01:00:36.293
And so, yeah, I, you know, I was in the area, you know, a long time and had family here and middle child and, um, graduated high school, putter high school.

01:00:36.414 --> 01:00:39.809
Were you, uh, went to Front Range Good kid too and Yeah.

01:00:39.809 --> 01:00:40.128
Front range.

01:00:40.403 --> 01:00:41.784
Did not, didn't get a scholarship or anything.

01:00:41.784 --> 01:00:42.264
Yeah.

01:00:42.384 --> 01:00:43.434
No, no.

01:00:43.463 --> 01:00:46.373
I mean, I, I I was gonna be a musician, so Oh really?

01:00:46.614 --> 01:00:48.804
I mean, I still like still play a band, the guitar.

01:00:48.809 --> 01:00:49.088
Yeah.

01:00:49.088 --> 01:00:51.233
I was, I was gonna be a rock star and all the world.

01:00:51.233 --> 01:00:52.373
That's, that.

01:00:52.373 --> 01:00:53.543
That didn't happen, obviously.

01:00:53.543 --> 01:00:54.804
I, me Hess in plays guitar.

01:00:54.804 --> 01:00:55.434
Oh, I still do.

01:00:55.434 --> 01:00:56.304
But that's important.

01:00:56.483 --> 01:00:56.844
Yeah.

01:00:56.903 --> 01:00:57.204
Yeah.

01:00:57.204 --> 01:01:06.143
So I thought that was gonna be what I was gonna do and um, yeah, that didn't turn out so much, but, so when I realized that, that was So how hard did your push at it?

01:01:07.103 --> 01:01:11.634
Uh, I mean, pretty, we had a band.

01:01:11.789 --> 01:01:13.048
We tried, we a band real hard.

01:01:13.199 --> 01:01:13.489
Yeah.

01:01:13.489 --> 01:01:13.969
We tried hard.

01:01:13.969 --> 01:01:14.409
Jimmy quit.

01:01:14.478 --> 01:01:14.969
Exactly.

01:01:15.079 --> 01:01:16.128
Jodi got married.

01:01:16.554 --> 01:01:17.449
Yeah, that's exactly, yeah.

01:01:17.454 --> 01:01:17.724
Something like that.

01:01:17.730 --> 01:01:20.213
That, that song, that's exactly what happened.

01:01:20.844 --> 01:01:21.474
Um.

01:01:22.224 --> 01:01:22.764
So, yeah.

01:01:22.914 --> 01:01:24.929
So you went to Ohio and met this girl?

01:01:24.929 --> 01:01:25.088
Yeah.

01:01:25.088 --> 01:01:32.304
I went to Ohio and met, you know, for what it was like, well, like a summer, he drove a beat up, uh, Chave to Memphis?

01:01:32.364 --> 01:01:32.603
Yeah.

01:01:32.603 --> 01:01:33.293
Me and a buddy.

01:01:33.324 --> 01:01:34.193
Oh, okay.

01:01:34.193 --> 01:01:35.844
So this is part of the music dream still.

01:01:35.844 --> 01:01:36.023
Yeah.

01:01:36.108 --> 01:01:37.289
And Memphis was like, yeah, me and a buddy.

01:01:37.764 --> 01:01:38.153
Yeah.

01:01:38.213 --> 01:01:40.704
He played drums and I played guitar and sang and Okay.

01:01:40.974 --> 01:01:45.143
We drove his 67 Chevelle to Memphis.

01:01:45.503 --> 01:01:50.844
Um, and long story short, we ended up in Ohio.

01:01:50.844 --> 01:01:56.273
He had some family there, and we needed money and they had a job for us in the summer.

01:01:57.083 --> 01:01:57.085
Right.

01:01:57.085 --> 01:02:01.134
And so we worked for, for his family during the summer in Ohio.

01:02:01.134 --> 01:02:04.434
And we were on the other side of the river, of the Ohio River, on the Ohio side.

01:02:04.434 --> 01:02:05.784
And she was on the West Virginia side.

01:02:05.784 --> 01:02:06.324
The Ohio.

01:02:06.329 --> 01:02:06.489
I see.

01:02:06.489 --> 01:02:06.608
I see.

01:02:06.608 --> 01:02:06.809
Mm-hmm.

01:02:06.893 --> 01:02:07.554
So we met through friends.

01:02:07.554 --> 01:02:09.324
You see the shorty across the river?

01:02:09.369 --> 01:02:10.289
Yeah, yeah.

01:02:10.639 --> 01:02:11.489
Something like that.

01:02:11.489 --> 01:02:12.168
Something like that.

01:02:12.168 --> 01:02:12.329
Yeah.

01:02:12.329 --> 01:02:12.768
Something like that.

01:02:13.463 --> 01:02:13.943
Yeah.

01:02:14.153 --> 01:02:14.693
Yeah.

01:02:14.813 --> 01:02:18.384
She, she, she invited me to a hockey game, and then the rest is history.

01:02:18.443 --> 01:02:18.534
Mm-hmm.

01:02:18.773 --> 01:02:19.614
You're like, well, good.

01:02:19.614 --> 01:02:20.213
I don't really have a.

01:02:20.679 --> 01:02:22.418
Place to stay or anything sued.

01:02:23.139 --> 01:02:23.469
Yeah.

01:02:24.789 --> 01:02:26.318
He was like, oh, look how it was.

01:02:26.318 --> 01:02:27.878
I was just a meal ticket.

01:02:27.878 --> 01:02:27.938
Yeah.

01:02:27.938 --> 01:02:33.728
Him and I were, him and I were living in a room on his grandma's double wide trailer.

01:02:34.449 --> 01:02:35.168
That's where we were.

01:02:35.228 --> 01:02:36.789
So, and it was uphill from, from there.

01:02:36.789 --> 01:02:40.023
The first date scenario, it was glamorous and what was, it was uphill from there.

01:02:40.253 --> 01:02:44.918
What was alluring to this, uh, young, uh, wannabe musician.

01:02:47.199 --> 01:02:48.398
He's asking you that question.

01:02:48.398 --> 01:02:48.550
Yeah, yeah.

01:02:48.849 --> 01:02:49.869
Oh, what was alluring to me?

01:02:49.869 --> 01:02:50.588
Yeah.

01:02:50.588 --> 01:02:50.590
Yeah.

01:02:50.648 --> 01:02:50.829
Wow.

01:02:50.829 --> 01:02:51.998
I mean, this has been 20.

01:02:52.643 --> 01:02:53.724
Uh, 30 years ago.

01:02:53.759 --> 01:02:54.398
I think I know the answer.

01:02:54.579 --> 01:02:55.518
I'm sure you still remember it.

01:02:55.539 --> 01:02:57.414
Uh, I always tell people Josh could dance.

01:02:57.684 --> 01:02:58.733
Oh, he could dance.

01:02:58.733 --> 01:02:59.244
Interesting.

01:02:59.423 --> 01:03:00.759
I grew up in Colorado, so like a two step.

01:03:01.278 --> 01:03:01.643
I like it.

01:03:01.793 --> 01:03:02.094
Yeah.

01:03:02.184 --> 01:03:02.333
Yeah.

01:03:02.333 --> 01:03:04.914
I grew up in Colorado, you know, in the port, so, and he was funny.

01:03:05.034 --> 01:03:05.903
I'm from North Dakota.

01:03:05.903 --> 01:03:07.943
We have two step, the North Dakota, no step there.

01:03:08.304 --> 01:03:10.103
So I just You do a shi shimmy.

01:03:10.373 --> 01:03:10.974
Yeah, shimmy.

01:03:10.974 --> 01:03:11.634
More of a shimmy.

01:03:11.634 --> 01:03:14.724
My feet just stay in the same place and I, I just move other stuff.

01:03:15.264 --> 01:03:15.864
Well, that's cool.

01:03:15.864 --> 01:03:19.523
I wouldn't have guessed you to be a, a good two step Joshua Laport.

01:03:19.583 --> 01:03:19.673
Yeah.

01:03:19.673 --> 01:03:20.934
There's depths to Josh.

01:03:20.938 --> 01:03:21.239
Couldn't.

01:03:21.268 --> 01:03:21.559
Yeah.

01:03:21.559 --> 01:03:21.878
I don't doubt it.

01:03:21.878 --> 01:03:23.119
I don't doubt it, but yeah.

01:03:23.123 --> 01:03:27.804
LaPorte in the late eighties, early nineties, you had to two step, it was just a rules.

01:03:27.864 --> 01:03:28.853
What was the Country Bar?

01:03:28.914 --> 01:03:30.563
Swing Station, Sundance.

01:03:30.563 --> 01:03:30.804
Sance.

01:03:31.193 --> 01:03:31.704
Oh, sure.

01:03:31.708 --> 01:03:32.423
Oh, oh yeah.

01:03:32.423 --> 01:03:33.353
We went dancing at Sun.

01:03:33.503 --> 01:03:33.954
Okay.

01:03:34.074 --> 01:03:34.764
At the Sundance.

01:03:34.764 --> 01:03:41.934
So, so you meet up your, it's summer, you kind of decided the Memphis thing wasn't gonna work out, and then you like talked this girl and then move into mm-hmm.

01:03:42.173 --> 01:03:43.673
Fort Collins with you or something?

01:03:43.793 --> 01:03:44.634
Yeah, ish.

01:03:44.664 --> 01:03:46.943
We dated in Ohio for about a year.

01:03:46.943 --> 01:03:49.554
Then you got homesick and came home and drove a school bus.

01:03:50.603 --> 01:03:51.429
You bought a Schoolie?

01:03:51.539 --> 01:03:52.108
Yeah, yeah.

01:03:52.498 --> 01:03:54.653
Rode a school bus to get my CDL.

01:03:54.833 --> 01:03:55.764
Oh, I see, I see.

01:03:56.009 --> 01:03:57.684
He was, I get married and need a real job.

01:03:57.688 --> 01:03:58.164
Right, right.

01:03:58.164 --> 01:03:59.094
So I'm gonna Interesting.

01:03:59.094 --> 01:04:01.403
I like driving stuff and Yeah, running equipment.

01:04:01.403 --> 01:04:04.764
So I've got a CDL and that was the, the easiest way to get into that.

01:04:04.764 --> 01:04:12.474
I went on to drove school bus for a year, but then I drove, uh, Budweiser semi truck for Budweiser.

01:04:13.014 --> 01:04:13.074
Yeah.

01:04:13.074 --> 01:04:15.293
That was my first experience in the beer world up here.

01:04:15.293 --> 01:04:15.503
Yeah.

01:04:15.503 --> 01:04:17.153
Right after we were first married, I, I drove.

01:04:17.153 --> 01:04:17.574
Interesting.

01:04:17.664 --> 01:04:18.384
Drove, um.

01:04:18.773 --> 01:04:19.134
Yeah.

01:04:19.224 --> 01:04:21.893
And delivered Budweiser here in Northern Colorado.

01:04:21.893 --> 01:04:24.653
And what was your circumstance in life at this time, Angie?

01:04:24.653 --> 01:04:26.184
Were you graduated from college?

01:04:26.184 --> 01:04:28.313
Graduated college from, or you were dating this guy from college and then he like, yep.

01:04:28.643 --> 01:04:29.393
Moves away.

01:04:29.393 --> 01:04:30.324
Were you heartbroken?

01:04:30.329 --> 01:04:30.659
He moves away.

01:04:30.659 --> 01:04:33.773
Well, he moves away, then he comes back to visit and we get engaged.

01:04:33.923 --> 01:04:33.954
Oh.

01:04:33.954 --> 01:04:38.454
So then, then I made the, the decision to move here.

01:04:38.574 --> 01:04:38.753
I see.

01:04:38.753 --> 01:04:39.534
To Fort Collins.

01:04:39.534 --> 01:04:41.333
I brought along my little brother.

01:04:41.393 --> 01:04:42.893
Um, he, he moved with me.

01:04:42.893 --> 01:04:44.094
He was 18 at the time.

01:04:44.153 --> 01:04:44.423
Yeah.

01:04:44.543 --> 01:04:49.434
Um, and yeah, we just, uh, we drove, Josh flew out, we drove us across country.

01:04:49.489 --> 01:04:49.778
Yeah.

01:04:49.778 --> 01:04:49.780
Yeah.

01:04:49.793 --> 01:04:54.983
Um, and then my first job was for, um, well, was waitressing and then my.

01:04:55.244 --> 01:05:03.704
Uh, and then I got a freelance job for a little now, defunct newspaper, which is, uh, uh, the Bullhorn or Spec Forum?

01:05:03.704 --> 01:05:04.329
The C forum Forum.

01:05:04.329 --> 01:05:04.648
Forum.

01:05:04.648 --> 01:05:04.809
Okay.

01:05:04.809 --> 01:05:06.168
Yeah, I wasn't familiar with that one.

01:05:06.173 --> 01:05:06.523
Yeah.

01:05:06.554 --> 01:05:09.793
So that was, it was around for maybe two, three years.

01:05:09.884 --> 01:05:09.914
Okay.

01:05:10.423 --> 01:05:17.744
Um, and then I, ironically, I had, uh, started freelancing for NOCO Style way before I ever Wow.

01:05:17.833 --> 01:05:19.514
Um, became editor there.

01:05:19.518 --> 01:05:19.688
Yeah.

01:05:19.688 --> 01:05:19.849
Yeah.

01:05:19.869 --> 01:05:27.884
But yeah, so we, I freelanced for those two, um, and then waited tables, and then I worked for a So you were just kinda stringing it together with Oh, yeah.

01:05:27.884 --> 01:05:28.963
Some freelancing here.

01:05:28.963 --> 01:05:29.054
Mm-hmm.

01:05:29.054 --> 01:05:31.034
Some weight tables there, stuff like that.

01:05:31.333 --> 01:05:35.023
Uh, I worked for a interior plant company, so I watered people's plants.

01:05:35.173 --> 01:05:35.204
Mm.

01:05:35.204 --> 01:05:36.103
That was actually fun.

01:05:36.108 --> 01:05:37.208
I'm sure you're pretty good at that too.

01:05:37.369 --> 01:05:38.264
You're very friendly.

01:05:38.398 --> 01:05:38.688
Yeah.

01:05:38.693 --> 01:05:38.954
Yeah.

01:05:38.954 --> 01:05:41.474
Then I ran the company for him for a little while, so I Oh, wow.

01:05:41.829 --> 01:05:43.838
I did kind of move up in that.

01:05:44.018 --> 01:05:46.778
Um, so I guess I was kind of setting the stage for Yeah.

01:05:47.048 --> 01:05:48.693
Running a company later, but yeah.

01:05:48.693 --> 01:05:48.974
Yeah.

01:05:48.974 --> 01:05:49.173
Mm-hmm.

01:05:49.253 --> 01:05:49.614
I dig it.

01:05:49.719 --> 01:05:50.108
Yeah.

01:05:50.199 --> 01:05:52.748
Can you ever imagine yourself running more than one business?

01:05:52.838 --> 01:05:53.498
Yes.

01:05:53.503 --> 01:05:54.369
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:05:54.369 --> 01:05:56.108
I would have a retail business.

01:05:56.318 --> 01:05:56.469
Okay.

01:05:56.648 --> 01:05:59.289
And a steak place and like a steakhouse.

01:05:59.289 --> 01:05:59.559
Yeah.

01:05:59.588 --> 01:06:00.128
Okay.

01:06:00.728 --> 01:06:02.094
I mean, you know, dig it.

01:06:02.318 --> 01:06:03.309
We talk about these things.

01:06:03.369 --> 01:06:04.414
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:06:04.443 --> 01:06:04.733
Yeah.

01:06:04.898 --> 01:06:09.009
So importing, exporting, I dunno, you know, it's hard to All the things Yeah.

01:06:09.068 --> 01:06:11.409
Contain brain, A slice off of your father.

01:06:11.829 --> 01:06:12.668
Significant measure.

01:06:12.668 --> 01:06:12.728
Yeah.

01:06:12.728 --> 01:06:15.398
I have to, I have to be the reel it in voice of reason sometimes.

01:06:15.398 --> 01:06:15.969
Yeah.

01:06:15.969 --> 01:06:15.969
Yeah.

01:06:16.179 --> 01:06:17.588
With what time will we do that?

01:06:18.518 --> 01:06:20.228
Josh is the voice of No.

01:06:20.559 --> 01:06:22.958
And then maybe, and then finally.

01:06:22.958 --> 01:06:23.378
Okay.

01:06:24.458 --> 01:06:29.108
So sometimes, yeah, sometimes I dig it, sometimes she convinces me.

01:06:29.108 --> 01:06:30.338
Makes a, makes a good argument.

01:06:30.369 --> 01:06:31.059
Yeah.

01:06:31.059 --> 01:06:31.059
Okay.

01:06:31.065 --> 01:06:32.858
Well I could, well, here you are, right?

01:06:32.858 --> 01:06:36.219
Like you could still be doing it hardware stuff for a small company.

01:06:36.639 --> 01:06:36.909
Yeah.

01:06:37.239 --> 01:06:40.898
I mean, you know, so goes working 30 hours a week and.

01:06:41.248 --> 01:06:42.028
Playing golf.

01:06:42.329 --> 01:06:42.478
Yeah.

01:06:42.478 --> 01:06:43.318
He could be doing that.

01:06:43.318 --> 01:06:47.188
But during the day, Frisbee golf, I don't miss that at all.

01:06:49.289 --> 01:06:53.909
You just need to get so good at your, your job that you don't have fires anymore.

01:06:53.938 --> 01:06:53.998
Yeah.

01:06:53.998 --> 01:06:56.369
And then you can kind of screw around after 2:00 PM every day.

01:06:56.369 --> 01:06:58.079
No, but seriously, he still works it in.

01:06:58.199 --> 01:06:58.588
Don't worry.

01:06:58.588 --> 01:06:58.978
Seriously.

01:06:58.978 --> 01:07:00.179
I would, I wouldn't trade it.

01:07:00.389 --> 01:07:02.039
I'm all joking aside, we trade it.

01:07:02.248 --> 01:07:02.579
That's cool.

01:07:02.579 --> 01:07:03.028
For that.

01:07:03.028 --> 01:07:04.168
I mean, yeah.

01:07:04.168 --> 01:07:04.918
I just love beer.

01:07:04.949 --> 01:07:05.233
It's been fun.

01:07:05.233 --> 01:07:06.838
It's a fun industry and we love it.

01:07:06.929 --> 01:07:10.018
I mean it's, you know, that I love, I didn't love it.

01:07:11.219 --> 01:07:13.409
It was easy for me.

01:07:13.498 --> 01:07:13.829
Yeah.

01:07:13.829 --> 01:07:14.369
In the end.

01:07:14.369 --> 01:07:15.929
But I didn't love it.

01:07:16.829 --> 01:07:19.918
But you know the saying, you do do what you love.

01:07:19.918 --> 01:07:20.728
You never work a day.

01:07:21.028 --> 01:07:22.139
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:07:23.039 --> 01:07:24.449
Well that's sort of true.

01:07:25.798 --> 01:07:26.608
You still have to work.

01:07:26.608 --> 01:07:26.614
You still have to work.

01:07:26.619 --> 01:07:26.998
Yeah.

01:07:26.998 --> 01:07:27.914
To keep loving it.

01:07:28.614 --> 01:07:28.914
For sure.

01:07:28.914 --> 01:07:29.193
Keep loving.

01:07:29.278 --> 01:07:29.728
Yeah.

01:07:29.818 --> 01:07:33.869
So, um, if you guys were talking to somebody.

01:07:34.418 --> 01:07:36.548
Um, either or both.

01:07:36.548 --> 01:07:36.639
Mm-hmm.

01:07:36.728 --> 01:07:39.463
Uh, that's like an entrepreneurial spirit, like Yeah.

01:07:39.579 --> 01:07:40.989
Like you were Angie.

01:07:41.048 --> 01:07:41.139
Mm-hmm.

01:07:41.168 --> 01:07:45.849
Um, or maybe let's, let's talk to younger versions of yourself, but not you.

01:07:45.853 --> 01:07:46.143
Mm-hmm.

01:07:46.284 --> 01:07:53.469
You know, imagine those 17 or 20 or 24 year olds that are either itching to be an entrepreneur mm-hmm.

01:07:53.864 --> 01:07:57.369
And get into business or reluctant mm-hmm.

01:07:57.699 --> 01:08:02.079
To take on that kind of, uh, responsibility maybe, uh, like what would you say?

01:08:02.079 --> 01:08:03.188
And I'll start with you, Angie.

01:08:03.668 --> 01:08:03.728
Oh.

01:08:03.938 --> 01:08:11.469
I would say, um, know that it's gonna be hard work, uh, but if know what fulfills you, I guess.

01:08:11.498 --> 01:08:11.588
Mm-hmm.

01:08:11.594 --> 01:08:11.744
You know?

01:08:11.943 --> 01:08:12.224
Mm-hmm.

01:08:12.309 --> 01:08:14.498
If, if it's money that fulfills you.

01:08:15.369 --> 01:08:17.823
You gotta have the, you might want to go to Facebook and Exactly.

01:08:17.823 --> 01:08:19.184
Have corporate somewhere or something.

01:08:19.184 --> 01:08:21.338
You have to be super smart and Yeah.

01:08:21.639 --> 01:08:26.679
And come up with a rocket ship that just launches you, otherwise know what fulfills you.

01:08:26.679 --> 01:08:33.219
And if it's, you know, creating something and, um, building a, a home for 20 some employees that, yeah.

01:08:34.029 --> 01:08:37.658
That, uh, enjoy being around you and you enjoy being around them.

01:08:37.658 --> 01:08:40.899
If that, you know, is fulfilling to you, then go for it.

01:08:40.899 --> 01:08:45.823
But, you know, if you wanna flash in the pan, then you gotta be, if you're looking for the easy way.

01:08:45.854 --> 01:08:46.144
Yeah.

01:08:46.144 --> 01:08:46.344
Yeah.

01:08:46.573 --> 01:08:47.184
This isn't it.

01:08:47.323 --> 01:08:47.543
No.

01:08:47.564 --> 01:08:47.984
Mm-hmm.

01:08:48.043 --> 01:08:48.463
Mm-hmm.

01:08:48.814 --> 01:08:55.988
Josh, what would you share with, uh, maybe that more, uh, risk averse spouse?

01:08:58.689 --> 01:09:00.279
Uh, I mean, have a vision.

01:09:01.118 --> 01:09:04.208
Agree on your vision and go for it.

01:09:04.363 --> 01:09:04.783
Mm-hmm.

01:09:04.863 --> 01:09:08.168
But don't, don't, and stay true to that vision.

01:09:08.198 --> 01:09:08.378
Yeah.

01:09:08.439 --> 01:09:10.899
I mean, have that stay in that tunnel.

01:09:11.423 --> 01:09:14.663
Of that vision, but be willing to make changes as you need.

01:09:14.814 --> 01:09:15.113
Yeah.

01:09:15.118 --> 01:09:15.128
Yeah.

01:09:15.413 --> 01:09:28.703
Um, you know, and I, I tell people, I've been on lots of seminars about, you know, with brewery, uh, wannabe owners, um, have that vision, but ultimately your customers, your clients are gonna make you change.

01:09:29.003 --> 01:09:29.184
Hmm.

01:09:29.213 --> 01:09:30.354
Be willing to change.

01:09:30.413 --> 01:09:30.533
Yeah.

01:09:30.594 --> 01:09:31.194
For them.

01:09:31.764 --> 01:09:35.423
You might have a vision of what that's gonna be, and you're gonna do this and you're gonna do that.

01:09:35.453 --> 01:09:38.123
Well stay within that framework, inside of that tunnel.

01:09:38.514 --> 01:09:44.634
Just widen that tunnel, um, and let your customers decide where that tunnel Yeah.

01:09:44.634 --> 01:09:44.873
Marketplace is goes Yeah.

01:09:44.873 --> 01:09:45.144
Mr.

01:09:45.144 --> 01:09:48.323
Market is, uh, don't, and be open to learning.

01:09:48.384 --> 01:09:48.654
Yeah.

01:09:48.654 --> 01:09:51.293
Be open to learning and, and take care of your people.

01:09:51.519 --> 01:09:51.809
Yeah.

01:09:51.814 --> 01:09:52.043
Yeah.

01:09:52.043 --> 01:09:53.333
You gotta take care of your people.

01:09:53.543 --> 01:09:55.134
I mean, hire good people.

01:09:55.373 --> 01:09:56.543
It doesn't always work out.

01:09:57.264 --> 01:09:58.793
Sometimes you miss Yeah.

01:09:58.793 --> 01:10:03.384
Sometimes you swing and you miss hard and you wanna call it anybody by naming that.

01:10:03.444 --> 01:10:03.953
Yeah.

01:10:04.224 --> 01:10:06.533
No, but, but it happens that, that's.

01:10:06.878 --> 01:10:07.059
Yeah.

01:10:07.059 --> 01:10:08.168
Everybody goes through that.

01:10:08.198 --> 01:10:11.529
It's, it's not unusual, um Yeah.

01:10:11.529 --> 01:10:14.828
To take care of the people that are taking care of you, you know, hire.

01:10:14.889 --> 01:10:17.469
I always tell people, I try to hire people that are smarter than me.

01:10:18.219 --> 01:10:19.118
That's not hard to do.

01:10:19.929 --> 01:10:20.588
Harder end.

01:10:21.548 --> 01:10:21.878
Yeah.

01:10:21.878 --> 01:10:24.368
It's way harder for her, easy for me.

01:10:24.639 --> 01:10:27.849
Um, hire people that are smarter than you and then take care of them.

01:10:27.969 --> 01:10:28.269
Yeah.

01:10:28.448 --> 01:10:29.168
And learn from them.

01:10:29.259 --> 01:10:29.918
I agree with that.

01:10:30.219 --> 01:10:30.458
Mm-hmm.

01:10:30.668 --> 01:10:32.679
Um, you saw me grab the fishbowl here.

01:10:32.679 --> 01:10:32.738
Yeah.

01:10:32.738 --> 01:10:37.059
Because it's time for the random questions and we didn't talk about it before you guys came in, but mm-hmm.

01:10:37.088 --> 01:10:40.748
Um, usually we do like a$25 gift card giveaway mm-hmm.

01:10:40.748 --> 01:10:41.769
Or something to a winner.

01:10:41.948 --> 01:10:42.038
Mm-hmm.

01:10:42.279 --> 01:10:46.479
And that person writes us with the answer to one of these off the wall questions.

01:10:46.479 --> 01:10:46.569
Mm-hmm.

01:10:47.168 --> 01:10:51.128
So I'm gonna say, let's do two questions each.

01:10:51.128 --> 01:10:53.738
We usually do three questions for one person, but Okay.

01:10:53.738 --> 01:10:54.639
I don't wanna leave us short.

01:10:54.639 --> 01:10:56.439
So, Josh, grab two balls out of that kit.

01:10:57.729 --> 01:10:59.979
I'll tell you the questions after.

01:11:00.368 --> 01:11:04.509
And Angie grab two good numbers.

01:11:05.694 --> 01:11:07.373
And who wants to start?

01:11:08.123 --> 01:11:08.514
Three?

01:11:08.783 --> 01:11:09.264
Three.

01:11:11.274 --> 01:11:16.163
How do you approach work life balance or integration or however you'd put it?

01:11:16.854 --> 01:11:25.793
Uh, my approach is that it's very important and in fact, we tell, you know, new hires all the time and, and we practice what we preach.

01:11:25.854 --> 01:11:33.234
Their work life balance is very important to us, and there are more, more important things to us than work.

01:11:33.804 --> 01:11:45.623
Um, there's definitely more important things to us than there is, you know, work and business and money and relationships are more important than that.

01:11:46.583 --> 01:11:47.033
Fair enough?

01:11:47.453 --> 01:11:47.543
Mm-hmm.

01:11:47.783 --> 01:11:47.904
Okay.

01:11:48.684 --> 01:11:51.234
Um, Angie, what number would you like to start with?

01:11:51.894 --> 01:11:52.644
14.

01:11:52.644 --> 01:11:52.823
14.

01:11:54.144 --> 01:11:57.774
What's the biggest mistake you've ever made in your business?

01:11:58.644 --> 01:11:59.003
Oh, God.

01:11:59.003 --> 01:11:59.543
That you're aware of.

01:12:00.323 --> 01:12:00.953
Um.

01:12:02.078 --> 01:12:13.029
I think sometimes because I am a person who trusts my gut and um, is, makes decisions, um, without a lot of hesitation.

01:12:13.208 --> 01:12:13.538
Yeah.

01:12:13.689 --> 01:12:18.099
Uh, sometimes I could have spent a little bit more time.

01:12:18.639 --> 01:12:18.788
Yeah.

01:12:18.849 --> 01:12:22.569
Um, looking at the details and doing the homework on it, so.

01:12:22.838 --> 01:12:22.899
Okay.

01:12:22.958 --> 01:12:26.618
Um, don't be as impulsive as I can be all the time.

01:12:27.668 --> 01:12:29.229
Would you like to add some color to that, Josh?

01:12:30.673 --> 01:12:30.894
No.

01:12:31.154 --> 01:12:31.373
No?

01:12:31.373 --> 01:12:31.613
Okay.

01:12:31.613 --> 01:12:31.894
Alright.

01:12:32.618 --> 01:12:36.759
That was kind of, but I'm gonna hold off going for honesty here.

01:12:38.019 --> 01:12:39.219
Josh, what's your other number?

01:12:39.219 --> 01:12:39.759
21.

01:12:40.359 --> 01:12:41.109
21.

01:12:41.769 --> 01:12:42.128
Oh.

01:12:42.128 --> 01:12:42.788
This is a fun one.

01:12:42.788 --> 01:12:44.139
What's your death row meal?

01:12:45.368 --> 01:12:46.418
Death row meal.

01:12:46.448 --> 01:12:49.088
Like you're getting executed at midnight tonight.

01:12:49.644 --> 01:12:51.474
Yeah, 6:00 PM rolls around.

01:12:51.774 --> 01:12:56.663
You can have as many courses, as many options, whatever you want, but it's happening.

01:12:57.413 --> 01:12:58.104
Well, yeah.

01:12:58.163 --> 01:13:01.073
Seven course meal, at least head to lettuce.

01:13:01.073 --> 01:13:01.404
11.

01:13:01.823 --> 01:13:02.394
Yeah, head to lettuce.

01:13:02.394 --> 01:13:03.234
And a six pack.

01:13:06.713 --> 01:13:07.913
Not even a mixed six pack.

01:13:08.033 --> 01:13:08.963
We just gotta go straight.

01:13:08.963 --> 01:13:11.543
IPA mixed.

01:13:11.543 --> 01:13:11.753
Yeah.

01:13:11.753 --> 01:13:13.283
I'll just go, eh, mixed pack.

01:13:13.283 --> 01:13:13.344
Yeah.

01:13:13.793 --> 01:13:14.783
Six pack of anything.

01:13:14.783 --> 01:13:14.993
Yeah.

01:13:15.654 --> 01:13:16.734
So seven course meal.

01:13:17.304 --> 01:13:17.333
Uhhuh.

01:13:17.333 --> 01:13:17.724
All right.

01:13:17.844 --> 01:13:21.594
Head lettuce, six pack, you know, so it's not too light.

01:13:21.594 --> 01:13:22.944
So I can drink that whole six pack.

01:13:22.944 --> 01:13:26.243
And you might want to get a 12 pack.

01:13:26.243 --> 01:13:28.913
I mean, you got six hours to kill and you're gonna get killed at the other, I guess, so.

01:13:29.304 --> 01:13:31.043
I'm pretty sure six wouldn't be enough for me.

01:13:31.583 --> 01:13:33.413
Those are a 13 course meal there.

01:13:33.894 --> 01:13:34.734
Yes, we could do that.

01:13:35.288 --> 01:13:37.764
Okay, Angie?

01:13:38.423 --> 01:13:39.059
Uh, 25.

01:13:39.059 --> 01:13:39.384
25.

01:13:41.724 --> 01:13:45.594
What's one thing on your bucket list that you're determined to accomplish?

01:13:45.774 --> 01:13:46.283
Oh.

01:13:46.974 --> 01:13:53.694
Well, um, I would like to, um, purchase a property in Italy and live there.

01:13:53.694 --> 01:13:53.724
Oh.

01:13:54.173 --> 01:13:56.753
At least, uh, semi-retire there eventually.

01:13:56.753 --> 01:13:57.863
So I, I like it.

01:13:58.224 --> 01:14:03.654
I'm pretty determined to drag Josh kicking and screaming for a few months at a time.

01:14:03.654 --> 01:14:03.923
Yep.

01:14:04.163 --> 01:14:05.274
Maybe in a brewery in Italy.

01:14:05.274 --> 01:14:07.224
Yeah, I would in a heartbeat.

01:14:07.224 --> 01:14:09.354
And he could fly back and forth easy on a, in a heartbeat.

01:14:09.354 --> 01:14:15.713
A little, uh, working farm where he puts around and makes beers and maybe dabbles in wine and.

01:14:16.238 --> 01:14:20.859
I, uh, it'll still be taken a little chicken or something.

01:14:20.859 --> 01:14:21.038
Yeah.

01:14:21.729 --> 01:14:26.798
Turn the barn into an Airbnb beer about wine, but I mean, the driving around in a golf cart sounds awesome.

01:14:26.828 --> 01:14:26.889
Yeah.

01:14:26.889 --> 01:14:27.939
So why Italy?

01:14:27.998 --> 01:14:32.948
Uh, I've heard, you know, you visiting there, but are you your family from there or you've been there before?

01:14:33.578 --> 01:14:34.628
I guess Italian by heritage.

01:14:34.658 --> 01:14:34.779
Okay.

01:14:34.838 --> 01:14:40.988
Um, my family, uh, there's five of us that are, are working on our dual citizenship, so Oh, wow.

01:14:41.198 --> 01:14:42.519
I'm hoping to have it, I wait, have a passport.

01:14:42.548 --> 01:14:42.849
Yeah.

01:14:42.849 --> 01:14:44.889
An Italian passport in the next year or so.

01:14:44.889 --> 01:14:45.248
Oh wow.

01:14:45.399 --> 01:14:51.038
So, um, and then, um, two of my siblings are relocating permanently to Italy, so.

01:14:51.038 --> 01:14:51.099
Wow.

01:14:51.099 --> 01:14:55.179
You know, so it feels like a place I could And what part of Italy, if I may?

01:14:55.238 --> 01:14:58.238
Um, one of them's in Genoa and the other one's in Sardinia.

01:14:58.389 --> 01:14:58.569
Okay.

01:14:58.569 --> 01:15:01.149
So not even in the same space, but Yeah.

01:15:01.149 --> 01:15:01.150
Yeah, yeah.

01:15:01.155 --> 01:15:01.569
Interesting.

01:15:01.719 --> 01:15:04.748
Um, my, uh, my wife and I are taking in our, uh.

01:15:05.394 --> 01:15:08.003
I think our 13th Exchange student in the fall.

01:15:08.064 --> 01:15:08.154
Ah, yeah.

01:15:08.238 --> 01:15:08.519
Mm-hmm.

01:15:08.604 --> 01:15:13.253
And it's the little sister of a young man we had with us like three years ago.

01:15:13.259 --> 01:15:13.439
Mm-hmm.

01:15:13.738 --> 01:15:15.953
Um, and they live in Ravenna?

01:15:16.134 --> 01:15:16.703
Oh yeah.

01:15:16.764 --> 01:15:24.338
Oh, Uhhuh just south of, uh, it's on like an hour south of, uh, what's the flooded town up there?

01:15:24.338 --> 01:15:26.319
V um, Venice.

01:15:26.319 --> 01:15:26.719
Venice.

01:15:26.719 --> 01:15:26.720
Venice.

01:15:26.725 --> 01:15:27.238
Oh yeah.

01:15:27.238 --> 01:15:28.238
They're like an hour south of Venice.

01:15:28.238 --> 01:15:28.520
Yes, yes, yes, yes.

01:15:28.793 --> 01:15:29.003
Okay.

01:15:29.003 --> 01:15:29.304
Ish.

01:15:29.394 --> 01:15:29.873
Yeah.

01:15:30.019 --> 01:15:31.038
So, uh, mm-hmm.

01:15:31.118 --> 01:15:31.279
Yeah.

01:15:31.373 --> 01:15:32.453
We're excited to go visit them someday.

01:15:32.453 --> 01:15:32.724
Yeah.

01:15:32.814 --> 01:15:40.163
But, uh, I feel like the Italian culture is the exact opposite of my nature, and so I, uh, yearn for it.

01:15:40.524 --> 01:15:40.854
Yeah.

01:15:40.884 --> 01:15:44.663
You know, very considered, very, um, easygoing.

01:15:45.179 --> 01:15:45.519
Not, yeah.

01:15:45.779 --> 01:15:47.904
You not rushing around all the time.

01:15:47.993 --> 01:15:52.493
It's interesting, you're, you're like an Appalachian girl a little bit almost in West Virginia.

01:15:52.498 --> 01:15:52.759
Mm-hmm.

01:15:52.838 --> 01:15:54.158
But you're Italian and there wasn't mm-hmm.

01:15:54.269 --> 01:15:55.998
That many Italians to move out there.

01:15:56.304 --> 01:15:56.333
Mm.

01:15:56.333 --> 01:15:57.354
And you're.

01:15:57.759 --> 01:16:02.134
Very likely Scotch iris, it seems like, uh, which is what the Appalachians German are?

01:16:02.134 --> 01:16:02.293
German Irish.

01:16:02.319 --> 01:16:02.948
German, Iris.

01:16:02.953 --> 01:16:03.054
Mm-hmm.

01:16:03.139 --> 01:16:03.219
Okay.

01:16:03.219 --> 01:16:04.179
Same difference kind of.

01:16:04.179 --> 01:16:04.418
Yeah.

01:16:04.479 --> 01:16:04.958
Pretty much.

01:16:04.958 --> 01:16:05.019
Yeah.

01:16:05.154 --> 01:16:10.809
But the, like, your, your, your area of origin is filled with people like Josh.

01:16:10.814 --> 01:16:11.054
Mm-hmm.

01:16:11.804 --> 01:16:12.293
Exactly.

01:16:12.404 --> 01:16:12.694
Yeah.

01:16:12.694 --> 01:16:12.854
Yeah.

01:16:13.359 --> 01:16:14.559
So anyway, I digress.

01:16:14.588 --> 01:16:14.828
Yeah.

01:16:16.208 --> 01:16:18.969
So anyway, big picture observations.

01:16:18.974 --> 01:16:19.213
Mm-hmm.

01:16:19.554 --> 01:16:25.088
So let's do, um, let's do current events.

01:16:25.628 --> 01:16:25.658
Okay.

01:16:25.658 --> 01:16:27.279
Figure out what do you wanna do about current events?

01:16:28.359 --> 01:16:29.979
Oh, anything new in the world right now?

01:16:29.979 --> 01:16:32.918
Today is March 25, 26.

01:16:34.719 --> 01:16:35.373
Oh, gosh.

01:16:35.444 --> 01:16:35.734
Yeah.

01:16:35.894 --> 01:16:39.279
I mean, you know, in our business, the tariffs are concerned.

01:16:39.279 --> 01:16:39.974
Yeah, I wondered about that.

01:16:40.134 --> 01:16:41.048
I mean, yeah.

01:16:41.109 --> 01:16:43.748
You know, we're, we're gonna see where, which would be, that kind of goes what?

01:16:43.748 --> 01:16:46.238
Not hops, grain cans.

01:16:46.238 --> 01:16:46.719
Aluminum.

01:16:46.719 --> 01:16:47.573
Aluminum, aluminum.

01:16:47.889 --> 01:16:49.809
It can affect all of those things.

01:16:49.809 --> 01:16:51.908
I mean, there's, there's a considerable.

01:16:52.389 --> 01:16:54.368
Amount of grain that comes from Canada.

01:16:54.434 --> 01:16:54.654
Mm.

01:16:54.654 --> 01:16:54.654
Mm-hmm.

01:16:55.298 --> 01:16:55.538
Sure.

01:16:55.538 --> 01:16:58.238
Um, it could affect that, but it's metal.

01:16:58.314 --> 01:16:58.734
Mm-hmm.

01:16:58.814 --> 01:16:58.814
Yeah.

01:16:59.229 --> 01:17:01.418
I mean, there's a lot of metal in our industry.

01:17:01.538 --> 01:17:02.918
Aluminum, stainless.

01:17:03.219 --> 01:17:03.458
Yep.

01:17:03.578 --> 01:17:05.588
Um, a lot coming from overseas.

01:17:05.588 --> 01:17:08.319
So we'll see where that is.

01:17:08.408 --> 01:17:10.420
You know, I mean, we, I can take those balls back if you want.

01:17:10.425 --> 01:17:11.109
Yeah, sure.

01:17:13.179 --> 01:17:15.399
Time with the balls on camera, so, yeah.

01:17:15.399 --> 01:17:18.399
I mean, we, you know, there's, there's just, there's just metal.

01:17:18.639 --> 01:17:19.029
Yeah.

01:17:19.328 --> 01:17:19.599
Yeah.

01:17:19.599 --> 01:17:26.529
In industry, well, in any stainless of steel if you want to add onto your brew system or whatever, that's all mostly outsourced now.

01:17:26.679 --> 01:17:26.769
Mm-hmm.

01:17:27.219 --> 01:17:27.548
Yeah.

01:17:27.548 --> 01:17:33.819
So just kind of seeing where that is and, you know, a lot of small breweries don't have buying power.

01:17:33.819 --> 01:17:36.429
It's not like we can stock up for a year.

01:17:36.578 --> 01:17:37.094
Right, right.

01:17:37.179 --> 01:17:43.868
Um, I know I've heard some large breweries that are buying right now to stock up for at least six months.

01:17:43.899 --> 01:17:44.198
Interesting.

01:17:44.198 --> 01:17:45.849
Going just at least cans and other stuff.

01:17:45.908 --> 01:17:46.149
Yeah.

01:17:46.179 --> 01:17:48.729
Um, and, and, you know.

01:17:49.269 --> 01:17:55.359
For us, and we talk about a lot in our, our industry, like when do we price people out of beer?

01:17:55.363 --> 01:17:55.684
Yeah, yeah.

01:17:55.689 --> 01:17:55.809
Yeah.

01:17:55.838 --> 01:17:57.548
How high can a pint be?

01:17:58.179 --> 01:17:59.649
I feel like we're real close.

01:17:59.859 --> 01:18:01.564
I mean, how much It feels like it's getting closer, you know?

01:18:01.564 --> 01:18:01.804
Mm-hmm.

01:18:02.048 --> 01:18:05.349
You gotta pay 10,$12 for a pint of pilsner.

01:18:06.099 --> 01:18:06.158
Yeah.

01:18:06.189 --> 01:18:06.939
Probably not.

01:18:06.998 --> 01:18:07.298
Yeah.

01:18:07.298 --> 01:18:08.349
You know, price people out.

01:18:08.588 --> 01:18:17.229
And we're, we're right now at that edge of if things get more expensive, much more expensive, then we will be at that.

01:18:18.219 --> 01:18:22.448
Point where people are gonna go,$10 is too much for Yeah.

01:18:22.448 --> 01:18:23.048
A pilsner.

01:18:23.109 --> 01:18:23.349
Yeah.

01:18:23.408 --> 01:18:27.219
So that's, and that could affect it, you know, the, the, the and stuff.

01:18:27.219 --> 01:18:30.819
So in people's minds, at least, it's supposed to be a more affordable option than a glass of wine.

01:18:30.878 --> 01:18:31.149
Yes.

01:18:31.179 --> 01:18:31.389
Correct.

01:18:31.389 --> 01:18:32.918
And if that changes, then it's tough.

01:18:32.923 --> 01:18:32.934
Yeah.

01:18:33.309 --> 01:18:33.548
Yeah.

01:18:33.548 --> 01:18:36.724
Because then you figure out, you know, you can figure out the price of an ounce of, of mm-hmm.

01:18:36.809 --> 01:18:37.238
For sure.

01:18:37.238 --> 01:18:38.804
Per, for bourbon, per alcohol, whatever.

01:18:38.804 --> 01:18:39.043
Beer.

01:18:39.043 --> 01:18:40.479
Beer or whatever alcohol that is.

01:18:40.479 --> 01:18:44.288
And then you start going, yeah, I'm paying a lot per ounce.

01:18:45.128 --> 01:18:46.448
Can I afford to do this?

01:18:46.479 --> 01:18:46.538
Yeah.

01:18:46.543 --> 01:18:46.604
Yeah.

01:18:46.868 --> 01:18:48.939
'cause groceries are up and everything else is up.

01:18:48.944 --> 01:18:49.203
Mm-hmm.

01:18:49.283 --> 01:18:55.958
And so, you know, it's, uh, it, it's just kind of a wait and see for us as a small brewery.

01:18:55.958 --> 01:18:56.288
Fair enough.

01:18:56.344 --> 01:19:02.224
Were you guys, I guess you were not far from Detroit, so that was probably a normal thing when you first met there, Ohio and actually no.

01:19:02.493 --> 01:19:02.703
No.

01:19:02.703 --> 01:19:03.484
They don't do that there.

01:19:03.484 --> 01:19:03.484
No.

01:19:03.484 --> 01:19:03.485
Mm-hmm.

01:19:03.543 --> 01:19:11.104
No, I, in fact, I feel like I never had heard of it before until, um, the last maybe three or four years.

01:19:11.194 --> 01:19:11.524
Okay.

01:19:11.524 --> 01:19:12.033
So yeah.

01:19:12.123 --> 01:19:13.748
But it just seems kind of blow.

01:19:13.748 --> 01:19:16.413
You were traveling, saw, you're like, huh, this is an easy way to make pizza.

01:19:16.474 --> 01:19:16.564
Mm-hmm.

01:19:16.588 --> 01:19:16.748
Yeah.

01:19:16.923 --> 01:19:18.753
I mean, honestly with the equipment mm-hmm.

01:19:18.993 --> 01:19:24.908
It's, it's both delicious and you get to use those little quarter pans or whatever and it just like goes through the machine and it's just easy.

01:19:25.413 --> 01:19:30.246
And the kitchen that came with our space is not huge, so it really dictated what we could do with it.

01:19:30.251 --> 01:19:30.389
Yeah.

01:19:30.453 --> 01:19:31.293
No fryer, right?

01:19:31.293 --> 01:19:33.213
No fryer makes a difference.

01:19:33.403 --> 01:19:38.122
I think, uh, it's time to go into our closing segment, the Loco experience.

01:19:38.453 --> 01:19:44.542
Ah, uh, and that's the craziest experience of your life, either individual or together.

01:20:27.881 --> 01:20:33.728
Uh, I don't know if you wanna do a, do you have a shared crazy experience or would you like to do individual?

01:20:33.728 --> 01:20:36.728
We could have a contest of who's got the crazier, craziest experience.

01:20:36.728 --> 01:20:38.167
It's not opening a new business.

01:20:39.337 --> 01:20:40.658
It might be your craziest experience.

01:20:40.658 --> 01:20:45.127
Um, I dunno, say something a little more momentary or short term travel.

01:20:45.127 --> 01:20:46.868
I feel like our lives are pretty.

01:20:47.618 --> 01:20:48.068
Calm.

01:20:48.127 --> 01:20:48.188
Yeah.

01:20:48.307 --> 01:20:50.198
But, um, I don't know.

01:20:50.198 --> 01:20:58.387
We had a rental property that, um, a unfortunately a drunk person ran through our back fence.

01:20:58.688 --> 01:20:58.807
Okay.

01:20:58.807 --> 01:21:00.217
Into our kitchen.

01:21:00.222 --> 01:21:02.078
Kitchen and lodge their car into our kitchen.

01:21:02.078 --> 01:21:04.118
That was a crazy experience.

01:21:04.118 --> 01:21:09.127
I think they came through your back fence across your backyard and lodge the car into the kitchen in the middle of winter.

01:21:09.127 --> 01:21:11.557
Our renters had to call us in the middle of the night.

01:21:11.557 --> 01:21:11.677
Oh, dang.

01:21:11.677 --> 01:21:14.167
And say, Hey, um, there's a car in the kitchen.

01:21:15.337 --> 01:21:16.688
That was a crazy, pretty crazy experience.

01:21:16.688 --> 01:21:19.927
What about the, what, what was the one in Portugal?

01:21:19.927 --> 01:21:20.677
The where we.

01:21:21.323 --> 01:21:24.743
Did the sleds where the guys drove you down on the street sleds?

01:21:24.773 --> 01:21:27.108
We did through Toboggans traffic.

01:21:27.257 --> 01:21:28.762
Toboggans in Madeira.

01:21:28.768 --> 01:21:28.868
Okay.

01:21:28.938 --> 01:21:29.427
Madeira.

01:21:29.512 --> 01:21:29.932
That's right.

01:21:29.932 --> 01:21:30.172
Made Island.

01:21:30.203 --> 01:21:34.733
And you, you hop on and you have a, a guy that hops on with you.

01:21:34.733 --> 01:21:36.863
So it's Josh and I in the, in the toboggan.

01:21:36.863 --> 01:21:39.503
And him, he's behind and he's on the street.

01:21:39.503 --> 01:21:39.787
Us on the street.

01:21:39.787 --> 01:21:42.262
This is on snow or anything like, or ice or anything.

01:21:42.412 --> 01:21:43.972
And he's going stone, steep hills.

01:21:44.002 --> 01:21:44.363
Yes.

01:21:44.632 --> 01:21:49.912
Really shooting downhill at like this Tobo is like steel on on concrete.

01:21:49.943 --> 01:21:50.092
Yes.

01:21:50.092 --> 01:21:52.462
And they have these shoes that they wear out rather.

01:21:52.613 --> 01:21:53.302
Oh no shit.

01:21:53.302 --> 01:21:54.922
And they just put their feet down.

01:21:55.252 --> 01:21:55.432
Yeah.

01:21:55.432 --> 01:21:59.122
And they steer you through traffic and around corners.

01:21:59.212 --> 01:21:59.573
Blind.

01:21:59.573 --> 01:22:00.113
Corners down.

01:22:00.113 --> 01:22:03.347
But there's no way to really stop you to speak of No, there's no, no.

01:22:04.342 --> 01:22:04.766
With their feet put feet down.

01:22:04.858 --> 01:22:05.148
Yeah.

01:22:05.238 --> 01:22:05.587
Right.

01:22:06.007 --> 01:22:08.557
It will eventually stop, but you're not stopping quickly, right?

01:22:08.557 --> 01:22:08.559
Yeah.

01:22:08.722 --> 01:22:09.823
Oh, Uhuh interesting.

01:22:09.823 --> 01:22:13.268
And that was, I mean, you're probably doing what, 50 miles an hour?

01:22:13.268 --> 01:22:13.868
Oh yeah.

01:22:13.868 --> 01:22:19.302
Well it, it seemed like it, I'm sure 1000 miles per hour.

01:22:20.382 --> 01:22:24.908
I mean, I did, it's probably more like 15, but confront my mortality a little tiny foot.

01:22:24.912 --> 01:22:28.268
Angie doesn't feel like a, a closest thing to a near death experience, almost.

01:22:28.358 --> 01:22:29.377
Probably.

01:22:29.377 --> 01:22:33.222
I can't think of anything else that was that, like, was fun.

01:22:33.323 --> 01:22:33.903
I'm gonna die.

01:22:34.363 --> 01:22:36.222
It was fun, but it was fun.

01:22:36.228 --> 01:22:36.728
I loved it.

01:22:37.537 --> 01:22:45.398
If, uh, if we could take, um, kind of the, I don't know, maybe I'm just old and I don't get involved anymore, but it feels like the.

01:22:45.443 --> 01:22:47.752
You know, the brew fests and mm-hmm.

01:22:47.759 --> 01:22:50.243
All that kind of stuff was such a big deal culturally.

01:22:50.247 --> 01:22:50.287
Yeah.

01:22:50.547 --> 01:22:51.167
10 years ago.

01:22:51.167 --> 01:22:51.488
Mm-hmm.

01:22:51.568 --> 01:22:53.568
And it just isn't so much anymore.

01:22:53.568 --> 01:22:54.743
It isn't as much anymore.

01:22:54.743 --> 01:23:00.443
You know, when you talked about current events, I was thinking about how, uh, drinking culture's changed Yeah.

01:23:00.443 --> 01:23:04.073
And how our Gen Zs don't drink as much and Yeah.

01:23:04.493 --> 01:23:07.582
Um, and you know, so that has had ramifications.

01:23:07.643 --> 01:23:13.882
Some of that, you know, crazy beer loving people that used to come out for anything.

01:23:14.033 --> 01:23:15.382
We've lost that a little bit.

01:23:15.382 --> 01:23:24.292
And I feel like also as a industry, we got a little tired, you know, like always making a new beer and a new style, and always doing these festivals.

01:23:24.292 --> 01:23:26.967
Here's, here's another festival, here's another festival, here's another festival.

01:23:26.967 --> 01:23:27.247
Yeah.

01:23:27.323 --> 01:23:27.472
Yeah.

01:23:27.472 --> 01:23:30.203
And I think, so Covid was a little bit of a reset.

01:23:30.262 --> 01:23:30.533
Yeah.

01:23:30.533 --> 01:23:33.323
And everybody was like, oh, this is hard sometimes.

01:23:33.323 --> 01:23:33.412
Right.

01:23:33.412 --> 01:23:34.823
And we're tired a little bit.

01:23:34.853 --> 01:23:38.422
And the, it's not clear how much benefit we get from Exactly.

01:23:38.422 --> 01:23:40.252
Slinging beers all weekend long, you know?

01:23:40.672 --> 01:23:41.063
Yeah.

01:23:41.063 --> 01:23:41.064
Yeah.

01:23:41.069 --> 01:23:42.922
And it's s the glamor has sometimes is.

01:23:42.943 --> 01:23:45.342
Flos it shine, giving the beer away and yeah.

01:23:45.403 --> 01:23:45.882
All that.

01:23:45.882 --> 01:23:49.573
And so, but I think, um, you know, we talk about this a lot.

01:23:49.632 --> 01:23:50.023
Um.

01:23:50.993 --> 01:23:56.018
Col, uh, Fort Collins in particular was just this amazing beer place.

01:23:56.018 --> 01:23:56.858
It was a Mecca sort.

01:23:56.927 --> 01:23:57.217
Yeah.

01:23:57.217 --> 01:23:57.417
Yes.

01:23:57.417 --> 01:23:59.497
And so the Napa of beer.

01:23:59.502 --> 01:23:59.662
Yeah.

01:23:59.662 --> 01:24:08.932
And so now, you know, it, it's a little bit our, our responsibility as these, um, smaller breweries to rebuild a little bit of that enthusiasm.

01:24:09.082 --> 01:24:09.172
Yeah.

01:24:09.323 --> 01:24:17.453
And so, you know, Josh is on a, on a panel that's working towards committee, a committee committee working towards building a, um, Fort Collins Beer Week.

01:24:17.962 --> 01:24:18.417
Um, oh good.

01:24:18.518 --> 01:24:19.537
And that is, that's lost.

01:24:19.568 --> 01:24:19.858
Yeah.

01:24:19.957 --> 01:24:25.372
And there's another committee that's, that's off of this group of breweries in Fort Collins working on a festival.

01:24:25.712 --> 01:24:26.103
Oh, really?

01:24:26.132 --> 01:24:26.493
Yeah.

01:24:26.582 --> 01:24:27.002
Okay.

01:24:27.033 --> 01:24:28.023
A unique festival.

01:24:28.023 --> 01:24:36.483
We used to have, there used to be a festival here in, in Fort Collins that we were included because I think strictly in Loveland we were included because they needed more breweries.

01:24:36.483 --> 01:24:37.682
There weren't enough back then.

01:24:37.893 --> 01:24:39.693
Well, you're part of the, to make it profitable.

01:24:39.693 --> 01:24:40.443
And what was that called?

01:24:40.443 --> 01:24:41.613
Was the Brewers Jam Brewery.

01:24:41.643 --> 01:24:42.092
Yeah.

01:24:42.212 --> 01:24:44.252
And it was a festival run by breweries.

01:24:44.252 --> 01:24:45.033
By breweries.

01:24:45.033 --> 01:24:46.113
And it was a unique festival.

01:24:46.143 --> 01:24:46.262
Oh yeah.

01:24:46.983 --> 01:24:48.813
Actually my food trailer was there.

01:24:48.818 --> 01:24:49.028
Yes.

01:24:49.528 --> 01:24:54.662
And I have a, remember that I have a Brewer's jamboree glass from verboten in my cupboard at home still.

01:24:54.693 --> 01:24:54.993
Yeah.

01:24:54.993 --> 01:24:56.552
Food was an important part of that.

01:24:56.613 --> 01:24:56.853
Yep.

01:24:56.943 --> 01:24:57.903
Um, beer festival.

01:24:57.903 --> 01:25:06.363
But yeah, so we're, we're working with other, um, brewery owners to like figure out Beer Collins and, uh, odell and New Belgium to figure out Right.

01:25:06.363 --> 01:25:08.912
You know, how to kind of bring some of that enthusiasm back.

01:25:08.943 --> 01:25:09.182
Yeah.

01:25:09.182 --> 01:25:10.387
Get people, you know, good.

01:25:10.768 --> 01:25:12.182
And the collaborative nature of it.

01:25:12.182 --> 01:25:12.363
Yeah.

01:25:12.427 --> 01:25:17.042
And, and let's get together and have fun and let's, you know, embrace the culture again.

01:25:17.662 --> 01:25:19.103
And reinvigorate it.

01:25:19.228 --> 01:25:19.648
Mm-hmm.

01:25:19.828 --> 01:25:21.472
In a time that it needs Yeah.

01:25:21.592 --> 01:25:23.212
Needs a little, needs a little, yeah.

01:25:23.332 --> 01:25:24.172
Uplifting.

01:25:24.262 --> 01:25:24.863
I would agree.

01:25:24.953 --> 01:25:25.523
I would agree.

01:25:25.792 --> 01:25:25.882
Mm-hmm.

01:25:26.332 --> 01:25:29.363
Well, um, maybe blessed in that pursuit.

01:25:29.393 --> 01:25:29.483
Mm-hmm.

01:25:29.722 --> 01:25:31.523
You know, of bringing more community together.

01:25:31.523 --> 01:25:33.143
That's always a a mm-hmm.

01:25:33.472 --> 01:25:34.162
Intentional thing.

01:25:34.162 --> 01:25:35.512
Do you have any questions for me?

01:25:36.023 --> 01:25:36.682
Oh goodness.

01:25:36.682 --> 01:25:39.502
After this, uh, little session here, how did we do?

01:25:39.802 --> 01:25:41.002
I think I did pretty good.

01:25:41.033 --> 01:25:42.653
But is your last meal, you seemed like you had a fun time.

01:25:42.893 --> 01:25:43.313
Death meal.

01:25:43.313 --> 01:25:44.212
Oh, my death meal.

01:25:44.483 --> 01:25:44.872
Oh, yeah.

01:25:45.023 --> 01:25:45.472
Hmm.

01:25:46.672 --> 01:25:49.342
I don't ask the questions or I just ask the questions around here.

01:25:49.643 --> 01:25:56.063
No, honestly, it would probably be like a, uh, nice hearty ribeye.

01:25:56.483 --> 01:25:56.573
Mm-hmm.

01:25:56.813 --> 01:25:59.063
Um, with a green salad with a bunch of mm-hmm.

01:25:59.573 --> 01:26:04.762
Good vegetables on it, you know, heavy on the avocado and the fresh garden tomatoes.

01:26:04.762 --> 01:26:04.943
Oh yeah.

01:26:05.393 --> 01:26:14.212
And uh, and I guess since I'm not as worried about getting fat anymore, I'd probably have a real nice fresh dinner roll, you know, fresh sourdough loaf.

01:26:14.212 --> 01:26:14.273
Yeah.

01:26:14.722 --> 01:26:15.472
Something like that.

01:26:15.472 --> 01:26:16.224
But I, I'm, mm-hmm.

01:26:16.229 --> 01:26:17.632
I'm pretty simple taste, you know?

01:26:17.637 --> 01:26:17.658
Yeah.

01:26:17.658 --> 01:26:17.818
Yeah.

01:26:17.818 --> 01:26:21.172
Gimme a chunk of cow and a chunk of salad and a little bit of bread.

01:26:21.262 --> 01:26:22.162
Sounds perfect.

01:26:22.162 --> 01:26:22.972
I like that too.

01:26:23.063 --> 01:26:35.542
Yeah, that sounds maybe my actual death meal and maybe, maybe like, uh, eight ounces of caviar that I wouldn't even enjoy or care about just to fuck the system a little bit.

01:26:36.773 --> 01:26:37.103
Yep.

01:26:37.108 --> 01:26:37.618
Uh, sorry.

01:26:38.078 --> 01:26:39.018
No, I get that screw, man.

01:26:39.018 --> 01:26:39.698
You're putting your death.

01:26:40.518 --> 01:26:43.943
We got to do, make you pay caviar tasting for the first Really?

01:26:44.903 --> 01:26:47.422
At a restaurant show was at a restaurant.

01:26:47.422 --> 01:26:47.426
At a restaurant.

01:26:47.426 --> 01:26:49.162
It was a Colorado restaurant show and I liked it.

01:26:49.162 --> 01:26:49.792
And he did not.

01:26:49.917 --> 01:26:50.938
No, no, it's not.

01:26:50.993 --> 01:26:55.552
I've tried it a couple little times, you know, I'm sure it wasn't the best stuff'cause I'm a pretty poor guy, but Yeah.

01:26:55.613 --> 01:26:58.193
I'm like, I just don't need little slippery things in my mind.

01:26:58.313 --> 01:26:58.733
Yeah.

01:26:58.733 --> 01:27:00.622
Like, I don't know.

01:27:00.622 --> 01:27:00.802
Yeah.

01:27:01.582 --> 01:27:01.972
I don't know.

01:27:02.153 --> 01:27:02.722
It was fun.

01:27:02.783 --> 01:27:03.502
Wasn't my jam.

01:27:03.743 --> 01:27:05.273
Well, thanks for being here.

01:27:05.632 --> 01:27:06.172
Thank you.

01:27:06.172 --> 01:27:06.667
Thank you for having us.

01:27:06.667 --> 01:27:10.372
Appreciate and uh, we'll see you next time and I'll see you down at the brewery here and there.

01:27:10.372 --> 01:27:12.922
Although, uh, Susan, Kurt will take me care of.

01:27:13.042 --> 01:27:13.403
Oh yeah.

01:27:13.403 --> 01:27:14.393
Otherwise, oh, they will.

01:27:14.542 --> 01:27:14.842
All right.

01:27:15.172 --> 01:27:15.712
Cheers you guys.