Dec. 23, 2024
EXPERIENCE 199 | Healthy Relationships, Thriving Workplaces, and Lens Neurofeedback with Becky Lauridson, Founder of IOME
Becky Lauridson is the Founder of IOME Self Care, a LoCo Think Tank member, a fan of Lens Neurofeedback, a wife, mother, and elk hunting guide on her family ranch near Craig, Colorado.
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Welcome back to the Loco Experience Podcast.
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Thank you.
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I'm excited to be here.
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My returning guest today is Becky Lauridsen.
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Yes.
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Yep.
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Thank you.
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And she's the founder and owner of IOMEE.
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Uh, returning, uh, it was my guest in episode nine, January of 2021, we released that almost three years.
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That's yeah.
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Yeah.
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Um, so I guess let's just refresh guests with, uh, you're, you're a smarty pants, a brain shrinker.
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I am.
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Not a psychiatrist, but a counselor person, a counselor.
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Yep.
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So licensed professional counselor.
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Um, I've gotten a handful of other little, uh, certifications and things along the way, but it's master's level counseling.
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So LPC, I'm a trained EMDR therapist, which is a trauma based therapy.
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And then certified Enneagram coach, which is a super fun tool for me to use, um, especially in the workplace.
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And then I just most recently became certified as a lens neurofeedback provider.
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I have kind of nerded out on the neurology, if you will.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Um.
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And more importantly, you're an entrepreneur.
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Yeah.
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Yes.
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Um, can I ask how many, so your business is IOMI, it's a counseling organization and membership organization and employment services.
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How many counselors are part of your team?
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Yeah.
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We're a team of 10 now.
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Okay.
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And in two locations?
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Yes, Fort Collins and Windsor, yep.
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Um, and then we do a lot of on site work with those employers.
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So we're present at like our, our contracted employers in, um, Weld County, in City of Greeley, Madwire, Summitstone, a handful of places that we're actually on site with them.
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Yeah.
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Uh, offering their employees mental health.
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And that was really just starting.
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Um, during our first conversation, I think you had maybe just like Weld County or something was your first pilot.
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Good memory.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You're like, I don't remember.
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That was a long time ago.
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Good job.
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It's funny.
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Sometimes I tell people things that they said in my podcast and they're like, you still remember that from that conversation?
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That, yeah, it just kind of sticks.
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Impressive.
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A lot of it does.
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Um, that was my, my highlight of, probably one of my highlights of that season is when you shared that, That your first full year of loco membership was you, you 10 X to your income.
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That's true.
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Yeah.
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And it was mostly because of COVID making people crazy.
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Well that, or that helped.
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That helped business.
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Yes.
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It helped business, but we were so grateful because we had already set so, so much of a foundational, uh, process.
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We had, we had the foundation built when that happened, then we were able to jump in and be able to help support just community clients, but also the employees on that end, too.
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Because, as you know, I mean, it was pretty devastating for a lot of people there.
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So being able to just solve that problem right away, it was it ended up being good.
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On the, This is a terrible question to get right into, but on the whole, do you think, uh, the, the Trump reelection is more or less traumatic to the average populace than the COVID lockdowns?
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You know, we, um, we do notice that, that clients need to talk about it.
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Clients need to process it.
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They, no matter which way you lean, no matter which way you swing or lean, um, Oh, even the ones that are happy about it?
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Yeah.
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They're still talking about it.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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Clients are coming in and just processing.
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Because it was a heavy election.
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It was a lot of weight on it.
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Well, according to both candidates, it might be our last election if the other candidate won.
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Exactly.
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You know, that seems serious.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It was, yeah, it was heavy.
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So we did.
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We, I definitely appreciate it.
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I try to prep my team, my supervisor.
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It seems likely your pipeline is good for a while.
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Like everybody is going to need a few extra sessions for a season.
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Yep, yep.
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My supervisor tried to prep our other team, our therapists, to be able to just, how do you handle these conversations?
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How do you support your clients no matter which way they lean?
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How do you not put your own bias and your own personal opinions, um, onto them?
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Because that, that's not okay.
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That's not okay.
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If your therapist does it, that's not okay.
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Are you, is the thrust of your growth been in the employer services space since that time?
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Are you, you're still offering the membership services kind of experience, but that hasn't been, so you've become more of a B2B company from a revenue growth standpoint than a B2C.
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Yep.
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As far as the, um, totally.
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We still have the, the community membership, we call it.
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And, uh, anybody can come in and be able to come see us for therapy.
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If you're just anybody in the area, um, come see us for therapy.
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And then we do a lot of our work with the employer, but then the employer only a lot, so many sessions per person, and so then if they need or want more than they are able to come to us as a community member.
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Convert to private pay or whatever to do, do employers get like a.
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A discount?
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Like a wholesale rate, uh, on that?
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Yeah, it's free for them.
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Mm hmm.
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The employer For the employee.
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Oh, yes, for the employer.
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But even the employer gets a little discount compared to just the average retail buyer that takes X dollars of marketing to get to and you can kind of stack them at the employer's place, right?
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Yeah, exactly.
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We want to, we just truly want to make it accessible.
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Um, we want it to be easy and simple.
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I think the biggest, uh, Hang up the biggest obstacle for people to get the services that they need is all the hoops that they have to jump through, right?
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If you were needing a therapist and you went online and Googled therapists in Northern Colorado or Fort Collins in particular, the list is daunting.
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It's long.
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You don't know where to start, right?
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You don't know what these acronyms mean.
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LMFT, LPC, LCSW.
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It's, it's overwhelming for me and I know all of those things when I was looking for my own therapist.
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Yeah.
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So.
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We wanted it to be simple.
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So with a click of a link, you're able to find which therapist, what would be a good fit based on their bio.
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And then you can simply book it.
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Um, we always do free consults and things to make sure it's a good fit for the client, but, but we wanted it to be accessible to, right?
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Like they have read a refusal.
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I assume.
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Yeah, sure.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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If it's not a good fit, usually it's, um, mutual, right.
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Typically.
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So, so if that's the case, then we can refer in internal or external if needed.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Um, and is that.
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Like from a, like, are you going to try to grow more and is it going to still be in that employer services space?
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Cause it's just efficient or like, what's your, what's your vision for IOMI?
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It's a good, that's a great question that I always am toying with because I am an Enneagram three.
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I love achieving.
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I love going and I love, um, working and problem solving and creating something from nothing.
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And so I think it'd be really hard for me to just sit still.
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I know it's really hard for me to sit still.
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Right, right.
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But you also have young children.
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I have young children.
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How old are they now?
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Ten and six.
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Okay.
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Almost six.
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But yeah, she'll be six.
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So actually you're probably freeing up to some extent because the six year old has just started to go off to school.
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Ten year old will be doing lacrosse and whatnot soon, but not yet rodeo.
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Is that right?
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Uh huh.
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Yep.
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They're both competing.
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And oh, wow.
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In fact, the little six year old, she won her first saddle this summer.
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And uh, like three belt buckles and all sorts of stuff.
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So I noticed your belt buckle there.
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That's a different kind of, uh, Did you, like, have a quarterly sales champion at Mary Kay or something?
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No.
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Um, no, Michael Kors.
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That's funny.
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I remember, because that was what you did before you started IOMEA was a rockstar, rockstar Mary Kay gal.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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It taught me all things business that I, I didn't, that you do not get in a master's degree of counseling.
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That's for sure.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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I should have worn my belt buckle with like the actual.
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You do have a Mary Kay one, do you?
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No, no, no, no.
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More rodeo style.
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I should have worn my barrel racing belt buckle.
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Just for the occasion.
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My, uh, my brother's daughter is barrel racing actually, too.
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Oh, no kidding?
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How old?
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Um, I suppose she's 14 ish.
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Local?
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Or where is she from?
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Uh, North Dakota.
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Oh, fine.
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Well, tell her.
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I'm cheering her on.
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Um, he's got like five hay burners right now.
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They're also watching somebody's like Scottish Dwarf horse or something like that.
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Like half the size of a, of a Shetland pony.
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Oh wow.
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Or Amish.
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Amish Dwarf pony, I think is what it's called.
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But it's strong.
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It can, it can haul.
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It's like a 400 pound horse that can haul a 300 pound guy around.
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Oh yeah.
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They're silly.
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Horses are cool.
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Anyway, I digress.
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Uh, we can talk about horses the rest of the podcast.
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Um, what do we want to talk about?
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Like, I started asking a question about what that growth could look like, and you're kind of a You know, doors will open if I'm supposed to walk through them kind of girl.
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So I don't want you to, you know, lay out all your plans.
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No, no, no, I'm totally good.
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I, I do.
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I, I want to grow because I see the work that we're doing and it is making a big impact.
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And I, I see the problems that we're getting to solve with these clients.
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We're, we're really, truly, and I'm not saying this from a state of arrogance, but we're really, truly making differences with people who would not have gone to therapy without us being at the workplace.
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And so the mission behind it is still very prevalent and it's needed.
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And it like, it fires me up in a big way.
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And so I still have a mission and a purpose in that.
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And so part of me is like, well, why not build it?
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Why, you know, why, why would I not?
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Allow other people to have access to this because it's a broken system out there.
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A traditional EAP mental health.
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It's, it's a little bit broken.
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And so we're really like, we're really shaking it up.
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And that's kind of across the country, but it's also Colorado specifically is taking a lot of, I've put a lot of regulatory pressures on the industry.
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Um, it's that and, uh, The, the demand is higher, the EAP, the Employee Assistance Program that, I mean, there's a list of things like it's been around since the 70s.
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So it's the same since the 70s and it's 2024 for goodness sakes, like we need to be shaking this up.
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Yeah.
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Um, and, and basically what it is, it's just, I hate to say this, but I think it's just It's the, like the tick, like, okay, well, yep, we were offering mental health.
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Like we just checked that off.
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Yep.
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Right.
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This is what we have.
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But utilization is less than 2 percent for these companies.
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So nobody's using it.
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Nobody's accessing it because they have to go through so many hoops to get to the actual therapy.
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Um, and so that's why we're jumping in and our utilization for the whole company is over on average is over 20%.
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Wow.
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So from the measly 2 percent nationwide average, wide average to.
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I have a, uh, a new prospect for loco think tank, um, compost queen.
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Okay.
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Um, and you'll get where I'm going with this.
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Tell me more.
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So, so they, they do well, they started on an individual basis, you know, come pick up your compost and you get a bucket and we can deliver you your compost when it's ready and stuff.
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If that's what you want.
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Scaling into commercial type applications, but you got to have clean stuff.
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And so an idea that, that actually floated, uh, when he came to a freethink recently was, well, what if you had like an employer would just have compost buckets and you could just take your bucket home, bring it in, we'll have a single source collection.
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And it's just an employee benefit.
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Way more people would compost if their employer just made it really easy for them.
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Exactly.
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And it would be cost effective.
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And way more people go to therapy when their employer makes it easy for them.
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Yeah.
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I mean, that's what it is at the end of the day.
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A hundred percent.
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It's gotta be simple.
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Exactly what I was imagining.
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And then, yeah, it would, the, what's that?
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The uptake rate.
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Mm hmm.
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Right.
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If they, if they see and, and do people, Are you going on site?
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Is there like a?
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Yep.
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So several of our employers have us, um, contracted for a certain amount of, like the larger ones, a certain amount, a number of hours per week.
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And so consistently we're there, we're building relationships.
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You may or may not have appointments even, you're just there from eight to two on Fridays and a few of those are booked.
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If you were just kind of walking, is it private so that people can, uh, not see who's checking out the counselors this week?
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Exactly.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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Definitely private, confidential.
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Um, and then, yeah, we, we have those sessions available and that utilization rate's over 90%.
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So people are coming in and they're Oh, wow.
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Um, and even though they don't have to, I mean, it's, it's unlimited.
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It's free, it's easy for them to come or go or interesting or not, but, but they're coming.
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So, and then you can contact the employer and be like, Hey, uh, we're full.
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Do you need more?
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Yeah.
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You want more hours?
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Yeah.
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Mm-hmm Here's the next package up.
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Yeah.
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Interesting.
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Yep.
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Um, what do you dislike about the industry?
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mental health industry.
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Um, the, the red tape, the, uh, yeah, the, the, the barriers that they put in, in place like state line barriers, for example, um, it's getting better.
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There's, there's movements, there's, there's actions happening right now that this should help.
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But, uh, for example, if I have a client that lives here in Colorado and then they turn around and move to Cheyenne, which is 40 miles north, I can't see them legally.
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Because I'm not licensed in Wyoming, and so they would have to drive across the border and have their session in their car and then they could still do a virtual session with me in Colorado, but, so some of that red tape that's just super frustrating.
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But aren't there like national organizations or, but they're getting licensed in all these states and stuff and then you gotta carry a license and do all the community ed.
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Mm hmm.
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Yeah.
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So it's getting better.
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Um, it's getting better.
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There's, there's the compact that's supposed to be helping this and that way it's, um, going to be easier for us to get licensed in multiple states, but it is one of the bigger barriers that I think is pretty silly because we can be doing, we can do mental health very easily virtually.
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I mean, I always would say and argue that in person is better, but, um, virtual is better than nothing.
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So yeah, for sure.
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Um, will you always be in person first?
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Organization.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I think so.
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I, I can't imagine not.
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Um.
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I think we would.
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Cause even if we grow outside of Northern Colorado, we would have, I would be very passionate about making sure we had like a representative, um, a me wherever else, like in different areas.
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So.
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You mean kind of a lead for each location kind of.
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And are you like, who, two questions, I guess, who, who are your.
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Yeah.
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Like a demographically are they established and they just want to be part of a brand of kind of situation here or the youngsters, are you training them?
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A little bit of both.
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Um, yeah, a little bit of both.
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We have, we have our, we have an internship program, so we've had a few interns come in, um, and be able to get their feet wet and be able to support them.
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And then we offer them the supervision as well.
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Um, and so we're able to kind of support them And, and help them like, uh, not create the bad habits and set boundaries and protect them in a way because unfortunately newbies get thrown.
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All the tough cases and way too many clients.
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And so we have that ability to protect them if you will.
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And then, um, with, when it comes to, uh, some of the other therapists, then we really try to specialize in each therapist has their own niche, if you will.
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So, um, couples and counseling or couples counseling to substance use, to trauma work, sports performance, all that kind of stuff.
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When people go into like rehab or whatever substance use kind of situations, Do they get the same kind of interpersonal therapy in that situation or is it more?
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Okay.
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Yeah, it'll be more intensive More than likely it would be a pretty intensive program.
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Even if it's an outpatient, it would still be pretty intensive if it was a rehab but for those for those employees or whoever it is that we're working with.
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It just, it may not be enough to have to go into a rehab or an outpatient intensive or inpatient, but they, they need some support around it.
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And typically what we find is there's underlying anxiety or depression or trauma that's causing the, the, the substance, the decision to drink four glasses of wine every day.
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If I drink.
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Two glasses of wine every podcast.
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Is that a signal?
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You know, no, I would want to know more about your childhood and your trauma, but otherwise, no, I don't think so.
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If I was doing podcasts every night and drinking four bourbons instead of two glasses of wine, I have had four bourbons a couple of times and got a little silly, but, uh, we've had some really long conversations and if the bourbon's flavorful, it's hard to stop.
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Um, so, and then the second question is, is, uh, I guess from an employer's basis, who are your clients?
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It's whoever they employ.
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Yep.
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And then from the membership side, uh, the community kind of engagement, it was kind of a lot of, we'll say, younger ladies at the time.
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Has that changed that demographic as you've become an older lady and stuff?
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I don't know if I look older lady, but uh, we'll move past that.
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Um, so, so yeah.
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So we, we see a wide range.
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Yes.
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Most of our clients, most of our community clients are probably, um, that thirties mid, you know, range or so, uh, women, but honestly, there has been such an influx because of the pool that we're having in the, um, the marketing and the, the word of mouth that we're having at the places of employment.
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So we are, we are good.
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Are they use up their allotment at the employer and they're like, Oh, I want some more.
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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So we're seeing a pretty diverse group of people and kids too, because their family members are.
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Um, able or part of that eligibility depends on the employer and so we'll see a lot of kiddos.
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Um, yeah.
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Do they have to go to the employer place then for that or they can set side appointments kind of thing, whatever.
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To one of our offices.
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Oh, cool.
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That's really neat.
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And do you, you said you were at the Windsor office today.
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Do you split time, uh, between the two?
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Yeah.
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I'm a little all over.
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Um, that's one of the goals for 2025 is to simplify my schedule.
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Yeah.
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But yeah, typically I, I, I try to work from home on Mondays and just do all the back end stuff and then Tuesdays, uh, Windsor office we have our team meetings and then, uh, Wednesday typically Fort Collins.
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Thursday I go out to a school and I do therapy with, um, a small rural school out in Grover.
00:19:03.484 --> 00:19:03.825
Oh, wow.
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And, uh, work with those, the staff and the school, uh, classmates there.
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And then Fridays I try to take off.
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And is that a heart forward project for you out there?
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Yeah, I mean, it was a result of COVID as well.
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They had some COVID mental health funds and so they were able to bring me in.
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And I have just such a strong heartbeat for that rural community and the ranching country lifestyle for sure too.
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Um, the school's 60, 000 students.
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It's a great book.
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Oh, and I see three kids from pre K to 12th grade.
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So it's a very small school.
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Oh wow.
00:19:31.019 --> 00:19:36.490
So it's, it's so small that they don't have a 50 person high school and a 60 person elementary school.
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Oh yeah.
00:19:36.819 --> 00:19:40.039
that was even, I had a big school compared to those four kids.
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Yep, yeah.
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Yeah.
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So, so it is, it is a heart project, but it's also part of the, part of the gig.
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And then Friday's you get off and then Friday's I attempted to Friday's laundry kids shuffling.
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Is your husband Travis?
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What's his name?
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Tyler, Tyler, Tyler, and he was operating a business and.
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Maybe shut that down recently and went back into just kind of regular jobby job land.
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Yep, yep.
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He has his CDL.
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He delivers, um, like product and feed and things to the local dairy farms and whatnot.
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So, um, yep.
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It's a pretty, uh, straightforward, uh, back to the roots kind of thing.
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Uh huh.
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Yeah, I think he likes the structure and it works out pretty well because he's got more of the, the benefits and steady and, and whatnot.
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And then mine's obviously.
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Here and there.
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Can you take off Fridays and, uh, Mmm, he, no, honestly, it's Monday through Friday.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Sorry, I was going to make a bad joke about that last comment.
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I figured you were going to go for it.
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No, I just decided to leave that one alone.
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Yeah, I already called you an old lady, so.
00:20:41.799 --> 00:20:43.599
Yeah, let's not go any further.
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So, um, when we left off, uh, you know, back there in January of 01, it was, Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You know, COVID nation, you had seen a lot of growth at that time, but I didn't know anything about like a second location and Windsor stuff.
00:20:58.835 --> 00:21:03.535
Maybe that's where we could pick up the, the trail of the last few years in your business journey.
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Does that make sense?
00:21:04.365 --> 00:21:05.045
Yeah, sure.
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So, you know, I mean, it's, it's relatively stayed the same since the beginning, which is kind of cool, right?
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To know that like the mission is the same in the heartbeat and the vision.
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It's true.
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It's obviously changed and developed, um, and pieces that I've definitely learned that don't work and pieces that do work and whatnot.
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But, um, since then we purchased our, our location in Windsor.
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Um, and I was able to finally make that, that space that I've always wanted, where it's a very welcoming, it's a beautiful space.
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It's got, um, an infrared sauna in both of our locations now, and it's just more like warm and welcoming.
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And it doesn't feel clinical.
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It doesn't feel like a doctor's office, which was something that I, I really wanted to make sure.
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Um, so that was, that was a pretty cool milestone.
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If I'm a member, can I just use the Infrared sauna whenever I want?
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Come on in.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I'm not a member yet.
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Um, yeah, we, yeah, we do, uh, packages through there too, but, um.
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And so, so that happened.
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And then we grew quite a bit with the mental wealth, uh, mental health in the workplace program.
00:22:03.940 --> 00:22:06.279
And that's been, that's been really good.
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So that's honestly been probably the biggest, um, I don't know, like change factor in the company is, is when we get new contracted employers.
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I mean, it, it grows us by, it grows significantly.
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Yeah.
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Each one might be a 10 percent increase in your overall.
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Um, and then we, we take their, we, we listen to the workplace, we listen to what their pain points are, and then we really handcraft a package that makes sense for them based on their demographics, based on their pain points, based on, um, their, uh, commonalities that we base data with.
00:22:40.994 --> 00:22:41.224
Yeah.
00:22:41.224 --> 00:22:45.204
That's typically your Rainmaker role in that is those new employer contracts and contacts.
00:22:45.295 --> 00:22:45.684
Yep.
00:22:45.865 --> 00:22:46.164
Yep.
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So then we go out and grow that.
00:22:47.434 --> 00:22:59.525
And then, and then that took quite a bit of like, uh, we, we really had to clean up systems and, uh, create the website and the membership programs and, um, the online we're launching an app in the new year.
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And so there's just a lot of things that we had to clean up.
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So that way, again, our mission is to be simple and accessible for these employees, all of our clients, but especially the employers.
00:23:08.045 --> 00:23:14.829
Um, And so we had to do a lot of things on the back end to make sure that it is indeed simple and accessible for these clients to book.
00:23:14.839 --> 00:23:20.980
Well, and a lot of health regulations around information and data and handling all that and stuff too, right?
00:23:20.980 --> 00:23:26.329
So that's part of your role is to make sure, if you're not the tech person, make sure somebody is to make sure that all works together.
00:23:26.750 --> 00:23:27.829
Can I ask about the app?
00:23:28.079 --> 00:23:28.329
Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So is that in the member app?
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Is it a white label?
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Is it?
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What's it?
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So it's, um, it's going to be through our membership.
00:23:35.009 --> 00:23:42.599
So then we, the community, any, anybody that wants to come in for therapy, they have the option of joining the membership and then that gives them discounted therapy with us.
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And it also gives them discounted sauna.
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And then we're partnered with, we're still partnered with about 50 local, um, self care businesses in the area.
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Acupuncture, massage.
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Discounted massages, whatever.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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All of that.
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And so it gives them all of that.
00:23:55.055 --> 00:24:04.295
And then now we'll have the app on, on our phones to be able to have, um, free courses and then significantly dis discounted courses online as well.
00:24:04.365 --> 00:24:09.654
And even also reminders of here's your discount on these various member benefits kind of thing and stuff.
00:24:09.694 --> 00:24:10.154
Exactly.
00:24:10.154 --> 00:24:11.464
And we'll bring in self care experts.
00:24:11.474 --> 00:24:17.105
So did you just create that or yeah, that's those are really, they're not as expensive as they used to be.
00:24:17.285 --> 00:24:19.994
It's, um, through Kajabi, that's my website domain.
00:24:20.434 --> 00:24:21.454
I think, isn't that what you guys use?
00:24:21.494 --> 00:24:22.315
I used to use it.
00:24:22.315 --> 00:24:22.954
You used to use it.
00:24:23.214 --> 00:24:23.325
Yeah.
00:24:23.615 --> 00:24:25.865
Um, so it's all under that.
00:24:25.865 --> 00:24:28.234
Oh, they have like a house app kind of thing now.
00:24:28.384 --> 00:24:29.105
I see.
00:24:29.154 --> 00:24:29.875
Okay, cool.
00:24:29.884 --> 00:24:32.515
So it's, it's, if, if I can do it, anyone can do it.
00:24:32.575 --> 00:24:33.255
I would say that.
00:24:33.345 --> 00:24:34.961
Um, so it's, it's a lot more doable.
00:24:34.961 --> 00:24:36.473
You're mostly feeding the information into the slot.
00:24:36.473 --> 00:24:36.663
Yep.
00:24:36.663 --> 00:24:36.852
Yep.
00:24:36.852 --> 00:24:37.040
Yep.
00:24:37.040 --> 00:24:37.230
Exactly.
00:24:37.230 --> 00:24:39.498
Very similar to how you would, you would create your, yeah, exactly.
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A Squarespace or a Kajabi website, whatever.
00:24:42.035 --> 00:24:42.605
Okay, cool.
00:24:42.664 --> 00:24:42.855
Yeah.
00:24:43.095 --> 00:24:45.065
Um, well that sounds like a nice benefit.
00:24:45.095 --> 00:24:45.345
Yeah.
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And probably could.
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Expand utilization of that, because it feels like you've kind of left that to grow if it grows, but not really promoted it too much.
00:24:55.829 --> 00:25:03.960
And then pretty much, yeah, because our employees that we're contracted with, um, they all get free memberships.
00:25:04.049 --> 00:25:07.029
So that's part of the partnership with the, with the employer.
00:25:07.079 --> 00:25:07.539
Interesting.
00:25:07.559 --> 00:25:12.910
And so it has a lot of traction and there's a lot of movement on the, on the, on the membership piece.
00:25:12.940 --> 00:25:15.279
But, um, we're realizing that we want it to be.
00:25:15.960 --> 00:25:22.390
We want it to be more quality content, and we really do want to be able to give out more information on mental health and courses in particular.
00:25:22.390 --> 00:25:29.160
So everything from suicide awareness to DBT to perinatal mental health, um, Should Loco Think Tank be one of your partners?
00:25:29.160 --> 00:25:29.809
Loco Think Tank should be one of our partners.
00:25:29.809 --> 00:25:39.450
You could have a, you know, some kind of a member discount for that because it is, I assume you would agree, uh, good for your mental health if you're a business owner to be in a place like this.
00:25:39.460 --> 00:25:40.109
Oh, totally.
00:25:40.390 --> 00:25:41.579
I could not agree more.
00:25:42.519 --> 00:25:43.059
Yeah, yep.
00:25:43.255 --> 00:25:44.055
It's definitely a saving grace.
00:25:44.055 --> 00:25:44.365
Yeah.
00:25:44.365 --> 00:25:45.505
Well, we can talk about that.
00:25:45.505 --> 00:25:45.755
Yeah.
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It's probably stand out from the rest of your, uh, vacations and hair and nails and kind of all those things.
00:25:51.625 --> 00:25:54.835
But, uh, you know, we're an open door for that kind of thing.
00:25:55.585 --> 00:25:58.964
Um, I had the question I was going to ask, but then it slipped my mind.
00:25:59.375 --> 00:26:01.275
I want to eventually talk about neurofeedback.
00:26:01.365 --> 00:26:02.194
Oh yeah, let's do.
00:26:02.835 --> 00:26:06.184
Um, well, let's just go into it now.
00:26:06.414 --> 00:26:08.474
So I want to talk about some of the other things you mentioned.
00:26:08.565 --> 00:26:17.674
Um, I'm a, uh, I don't know if I'm an aficionado, but I've learned a little bit about the, uh, what's that called?
00:26:18.275 --> 00:26:20.255
Platform you use the Enneagram.
00:26:20.259 --> 00:26:21.065
Enneagram, yes.
00:26:21.154 --> 00:26:23.434
Um, and then you talked about neurofeedback.
00:26:23.434 --> 00:26:23.494
Yeah.
00:26:23.585 --> 00:26:27.035
And the, the, the, the trauma zapper thing.
00:26:27.035 --> 00:26:27.450
ENDR.
00:26:28.309 --> 00:26:29.089
No, zapping.
00:26:30.305 --> 00:26:30.934
Is that Zappy?
00:26:30.934 --> 00:26:33.065
I thought it's, uh, like flasher or something.
00:26:33.065 --> 00:26:33.930
Like It could be, yes.
00:26:34.234 --> 00:26:34.805
Something like that.
00:26:35.434 --> 00:26:36.125
Neurofeedback kind of thing.
00:26:36.684 --> 00:26:38.464
Yeah, I can explain further.
00:26:39.025 --> 00:26:39.505
Of course.
00:26:39.644 --> 00:26:39.944
Of course.
00:26:39.944 --> 00:26:40.775
No, I'm already done.
00:26:41.095 --> 00:26:42.595
I've encapsulated it for you.
00:26:42.805 --> 00:26:43.224
Uh, yeah.
00:26:43.404 --> 00:26:45.984
So let's, let's start with the neurofeedback.
00:26:46.184 --> 00:26:46.255
Yeah.
00:26:46.255 --> 00:26:49.765
That seemed like something that was, uh, you were kind of becoming an expert in that space.
00:26:50.144 --> 00:26:50.575
Yeah.
00:26:50.644 --> 00:26:51.845
No, it's been such a fun experience.
00:26:51.934 --> 00:26:54.335
fun, new modality for me.
00:26:54.375 --> 00:26:57.734
Um, it's, um, I think I'm going to be the forever learner.
00:26:57.734 --> 00:26:59.815
I think that's just part of how I'm wired.
00:26:59.855 --> 00:27:07.575
Um, and so I had, I kept hearing wind of this catching wind of this idea of neurofeedback and transparently they don't, they don't teach us this at all.
00:27:07.595 --> 00:27:08.204
At least they didn't.
00:27:08.920 --> 00:27:11.269
Ten years ago, because I'm an old lady, apparently.
00:27:11.829 --> 00:27:19.519
Ten years ago, when I got my master's, they really don't talk about the neurology and the neurofeedback and the different modalities, um, of the true brain.
00:27:19.519 --> 00:27:22.069
It's, it's really talking about the, the therapy of it.
00:27:22.079 --> 00:27:25.559
There's a book I read by David Engel that's named The Brain.
00:27:25.619 --> 00:27:26.000
Yeah, yeah.
00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:27.299
And it's all about neuroplasticity.
00:27:27.970 --> 00:27:28.319
Yeah, yeah, yes.
00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:29.069
And that kind of thing.
00:27:29.069 --> 00:27:30.000
You've probably read the same.
00:27:30.900 --> 00:27:34.849
So I knew this and, and I was like, man, I really want to know more information about this.
00:27:35.119 --> 00:27:42.950
And I love being able to offer our clients, our community different modalities because there are going to be the clients who don't want to do therapy.
00:27:42.990 --> 00:27:45.549
They don't want to sit down and talk about it, which I get, I honor.
00:27:45.930 --> 00:27:52.759
Um, and there's also going to be those that, Um, I would, I guess I could summarize it just aren't willing or able.
00:27:52.769 --> 00:28:02.910
They're not able to go there either because they got so much stuff going on or their brain so locked down that they're not willing or able to get into the talk therapy that could support them in the trauma really for whatever it is.
00:28:03.460 --> 00:28:07.140
Um, so neurofeedback, uh, the one I got trained in is called lens.
00:28:07.140 --> 00:28:09.240
It's low energy neurofeedback system.
00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:11.914
So I just went in September, beginning of September, went out to the clinic.
00:28:13.775 --> 00:28:14.944
Imagine like a shock collar for humans?
00:28:15.424 --> 00:28:15.755
Nope.
00:28:16.795 --> 00:28:16.984
Alright.
00:28:18.494 --> 00:28:19.954
That would be effective for me.
00:28:20.714 --> 00:28:21.704
Well, we'll know now.
00:28:22.055 --> 00:28:22.535
We'll tell Alma.
00:28:25.740 --> 00:28:30.109
And basically the idea is that we know our brain has the chemical system, right?
00:28:30.109 --> 00:28:32.470
And we also know that our brain has the electrical system.
00:28:32.509 --> 00:28:38.619
And so what we need to do is, well, all too often we're addressing the chemical system, right?
00:28:38.890 --> 00:28:41.099
You know, obviously antidepressants and things like that.
00:28:41.109 --> 00:28:41.950
SSRIs.
00:28:41.950 --> 00:28:43.059
Yep, exactly.
00:28:43.059 --> 00:28:44.690
Which there is a time and space for that.
00:28:44.710 --> 00:28:45.549
Absolutely.
00:28:45.789 --> 00:29:00.150
Um, but what I believe and what we believe in neurofeedback is that if we address the electrical system, then that is the true root cause of whatever's going on, the symptom, the depression, anxiety, it's an electrical signal that's telling the chemicals to do what they're doing.
00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:00.799
Exactly.
00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:01.200
In some way.
00:29:01.259 --> 00:29:01.490
Yeah.
00:29:01.490 --> 00:29:07.589
And so if we can get to that electrical system, we can have a longer lasting effect and more efficiently and without the side effects.
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:08.000
Right.
00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:09.400
Um.
00:29:09.674 --> 00:29:11.075
So, so that's the nuance.
00:29:11.075 --> 00:29:11.714
And how do you do it?
00:29:11.755 --> 00:29:12.025
Yeah.
00:29:12.045 --> 00:29:17.244
So then we have this system, um, that we're able to hook our clients up with.
00:29:17.585 --> 00:29:19.994
Um, there are electrodes that we just put on the brain sites.
00:29:19.994 --> 00:29:23.464
So we have 21 brain sites that we will eventually get a full map with.
00:29:23.555 --> 00:29:23.775
Okay.
00:29:23.974 --> 00:29:30.244
Um, and then it's measuring, it's just capturing that electrical, um, signal in a moment of time.
00:29:30.244 --> 00:29:31.884
And then what lens does.
00:29:31.894 --> 00:29:33.164
Like while you talk to them and stuff?
00:29:33.164 --> 00:29:35.605
No, so really they're just sitting there with their eyes closed.
00:29:35.724 --> 00:29:35.964
Okay.
00:29:36.045 --> 00:29:38.315
Very passive participation for the client.
00:29:38.694 --> 00:29:39.880
Um, I thought about it.
00:29:39.880 --> 00:29:43.309
I was like, how fun would it be to, to hook you up when we're in podcasts?
00:29:43.309 --> 00:29:43.980
We should have done that.
00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:44.750
Yeah, for sure.
00:29:44.930 --> 00:29:48.329
Um, so then the client just sits there and closes their eyes.
00:29:48.329 --> 00:29:53.119
We capture this information and what Lens does is sends that information back to the brain.
00:29:53.500 --> 00:29:58.420
And so the difference between Lens and a traditional neurofeedback is it's mirroring that information.
00:29:58.420 --> 00:29:59.759
Should be called mirror instead of Lens.
00:29:59.769 --> 00:30:00.299
Exactly.
00:30:01.035 --> 00:30:03.255
Yeah, but it was developed by Dr.
00:30:03.424 --> 00:30:04.204
Lynn's Oaks.
00:30:04.244 --> 00:30:06.265
Oh, so that's played play on that.
00:30:06.265 --> 00:30:12.125
But And then it's mirroring that back and just and just like you said we have neuroplasticity in her brain.
00:30:12.125 --> 00:30:13.664
It's malleable It can be changed.
00:30:13.664 --> 00:30:23.845
So then the brain wants to self regulate So by mirroring that back by giving that information back to the brain, it's able to lift what we call a suppression And so it's kind of like this.
00:30:24.384 --> 00:30:30.130
It's that white knuckle tight Uh, sorry, we've had a Buxelder bug, uh, invasion around here this fall.
00:30:30.390 --> 00:30:36.480
It's that fight or flight white knuckle tight right grip that the brain can have based on, it could be a number of things.
00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:37.829
It could be bumps on the head, right?
00:30:37.829 --> 00:30:48.150
If you got hit in the head, if you had a TBI traumatic brain injury, or if you had trauma as a kid, um, or as an adult, our brains hold onto that information and it, and it holds it.
00:30:48.150 --> 00:30:49.460
And it's this white knuckle tight.
00:30:50.214 --> 00:30:53.654
And it says, do everything I got to, I have to protect my human.
00:30:53.654 --> 00:30:56.835
I'm never going to let go of this because I need to protect my human.
00:30:56.984 --> 00:30:57.744
That's what the brain says.
00:30:58.464 --> 00:31:09.045
What we, what we need to teach the brain is it doesn't have to hold on so tight that if we release this, if we lift that suppression and we're able to be more high function, all the things, right.
00:31:09.075 --> 00:31:14.509
I like to say about kind of our, Membership and just the, the cultural approach at Loco.
00:31:14.509 --> 00:31:16.769
If you, if you love somebody, hold them loosely.
00:31:16.819 --> 00:31:17.609
Yeah, truly.
00:31:17.619 --> 00:31:17.819
Yes.
00:31:17.849 --> 00:31:36.835
And then the brain kind of thing that you just, and even I talk about it as it relates to the union, you know, in this post traumatic Trump, uh, you know, thing coming on, well, you know, the one thing that we can do as America to, Care less about who the president is is make the president's job less important.
00:31:36.835 --> 00:31:45.105
Yeah And loosen the ties that bind between the states that you know, yeah, don't like each other's policies and principles.
00:31:45.194 --> 00:31:51.525
Yeah Yeah, and just work on our own self our own mental health.
00:31:51.525 --> 00:32:01.964
I mean, yes reactions our own Worry about yourself, you know, I, there's just, I've got that little girl's video in my mind, that old viral, worry about yourself.
00:32:02.214 --> 00:32:03.164
She's telling her dad.
00:32:04.085 --> 00:32:04.755
It's kind of that.
00:32:05.095 --> 00:32:05.704
Well, and we.
00:32:05.900 --> 00:32:25.240
We, we all look at, you know, going back to lenses, uh, too many of us, our lens to the world now is only occasionally filled in a one on one personal basis, but the rest of the lens is the screen of your phone and your computer, uh, which creates its own set of anxieties.
00:32:25.660 --> 00:32:26.349
Absolutely.
00:32:26.380 --> 00:32:26.539
Yeah.
00:32:26.539 --> 00:32:26.990
Interesting.
00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:27.359
Absolutely.
00:32:27.630 --> 00:32:28.529
So, so.
00:32:29.119 --> 00:32:34.579
So, why does a person that would be resistant to counseling otherwise, why are they willing to do this neurofeedback thing?
00:32:34.579 --> 00:32:38.180
Just because of the, it's easy, it's not quite as threatening, you just plug it in and go.
00:32:38.180 --> 00:32:39.019
Yep, exactly.
00:32:39.019 --> 00:32:40.720
It's such passive participation.
00:32:40.740 --> 00:32:44.579
So, EMDR, it's um, the trauma based therapy I mentioned earlier.
00:32:44.579 --> 00:32:44.900
Yeah.
00:32:45.049 --> 00:32:52.359
It's, it's intense, it's emotionally draining, it's, you have to go more, there's, there's modalities.
00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:55.509
I'm thinking like clockwork orange kind of stuff is how I imagine EMDR.
00:32:56.410 --> 00:32:58.039
Do you know what's a clockwork orange?
00:32:58.599 --> 00:33:00.099
Oh, you need to watch a clockwork orange.
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:07.339
It's an old, uh, uh, hippie kind of crazy, uh, you know, eat some mushrooms and watch a kind of a movie.
00:33:09.529 --> 00:33:09.859
Okay.
00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:12.970
Um, but so that's.
00:33:12.984 --> 00:33:16.835
It's so intense that some people are just not able or willing to get there and it's uncomfortable.
00:33:16.845 --> 00:33:17.174
It is.
00:33:17.174 --> 00:33:17.914
It's uncomfortable.
00:33:17.934 --> 00:33:20.694
It, it serves a purpose and it's going to be better in the end.
00:33:21.035 --> 00:33:25.244
Um, but this neurofeedback is, is just truly allowing brain optimization.
00:33:25.244 --> 00:33:28.325
I mean, that's at the end of the day with, with a passive participation.
00:33:28.335 --> 00:33:29.845
So do you change the signal then?
00:33:30.164 --> 00:33:30.454
No.
00:33:30.525 --> 00:33:31.444
First you mirrored it.
00:33:31.484 --> 00:33:37.755
Oh, but the brain just takes that signal and it's like, Oh, I'm looking a little low in quadrant number 37 or whatever.
00:33:37.755 --> 00:33:38.035
Yeah.
00:33:38.085 --> 00:33:38.275
Yep.
00:33:38.315 --> 00:33:39.355
The 21 sites.
00:33:39.684 --> 00:33:41.674
So I'll give my own brain example.
00:33:41.674 --> 00:33:42.035
All right.
00:33:42.109 --> 00:34:00.049
So I went out there and I got, um, got the training and of course we were doing it on ourselves and I was telling my husband weeks leading to this, I was like, man, I'm so excited about this because I am, the brain fog was just really, really significant for me there for a while where I just wasn't remembering things and word recall was really difficult for me.
00:34:00.049 --> 00:34:03.335
And there's just a lot of signals that I was, Concerned about it.
00:34:03.335 --> 00:34:06.025
And so, so I was like, well, I'm really looking forward to this.
00:34:06.065 --> 00:34:14.215
And then I did, um, I did a handful of sites, especially on my frontal lobe, which is executive functioning, which is word recall and all of those things.
00:34:14.635 --> 00:34:21.485
Um, and they were all in the frequency, which was, uh, the Delta state, which is basically a deep sleep.
00:34:21.864 --> 00:34:23.445
So I was walking around.
00:34:23.945 --> 00:34:32.014
Basically, sleepwalking, my frontal lobe was in Delta, um, and it was very locked down, which means, so there wasn't any, um, it was very suppressed.
00:34:32.014 --> 00:34:32.454
Yeah, yeah.
00:34:32.454 --> 00:34:33.675
There wasn't any variability.
00:34:33.804 --> 00:34:35.315
Inflexible, exactly.
00:34:35.735 --> 00:34:46.195
And, so then, when I needed to be activated in, in presenting or speaking on a podcast or presenting in front of Weld County employees or whatever it may be, I was really struggling because, you know.
00:34:46.454 --> 00:34:48.054
My frontal lobe was in Delta state.
00:34:48.594 --> 00:34:55.635
Um, and so now that I've done it several times, you can see, we even have the maps that we're able to print out and now you can see my frontal lobe is.
00:34:55.744 --> 00:34:56.945
Oh, you're making me want to do this.
00:34:56.954 --> 00:34:57.815
It's cool.
00:34:57.824 --> 00:34:58.735
It's really cool.
00:35:00.184 --> 00:35:03.855
I've had like, interesting, like sleepy.
00:35:04.199 --> 00:35:04.480
Mm.
00:35:04.500 --> 00:35:05.059
Lately.
00:35:05.110 --> 00:35:13.780
Like, not brain, I'm kind of like brain fog, I suppose, but where I just want to rest a little bit in the middle of the day kind of thing and not really think or do for a little bit.
00:35:14.090 --> 00:35:15.099
And that's not been my.
00:35:15.349 --> 00:35:16.119
That's not your normal.
00:35:16.130 --> 00:35:16.579
Normal.
00:35:16.579 --> 00:35:17.000
That's not your status quo.
00:35:17.050 --> 00:35:18.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:35:18.099 --> 00:35:18.920
Yeah, I can see that.
00:35:19.315 --> 00:35:26.525
Um, that's an interesting, well and I, so I took some, uh, LearningRx, are you familiar with that?
00:35:26.914 --> 00:35:28.824
They're not too far from your offices over there.
00:35:28.875 --> 00:35:30.574
Mike was a member forever.
00:35:30.704 --> 00:35:31.094
I remember that.
00:35:31.144 --> 00:35:47.869
Um, and he gave me his, like, had me do his testing stuff and I was all, like, basically like, not to brag, but I was like, 85 to 95 percent in all of these little categories, except for, uh, short term recall, and I was like 41%.
00:35:48.320 --> 00:35:49.010
Oh, interesting.
00:35:49.269 --> 00:35:50.820
Um, and I was like, well, but why?
00:35:50.820 --> 00:35:51.570
Do you see that?
00:35:51.570 --> 00:35:51.880
Is that true?
00:35:52.349 --> 00:35:53.070
I think so.
00:35:53.139 --> 00:35:53.510
Yeah.
00:35:53.510 --> 00:35:53.829
Yeah.
00:35:53.829 --> 00:35:58.210
Sometimes it's easier for me to remember a podcast that I did with somebody three years ago than it is.
00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:04.460
You know, to remember to grab the bananas on the way home from work, you know, or whatever.
00:36:05.070 --> 00:36:12.300
Um, even though Jill just texted me like five minutes before I left the office, you know, Hey, can you grab me some bananas on the way home?
00:36:13.519 --> 00:36:14.840
And partly maybe it's just resentment.
00:36:14.840 --> 00:36:18.539
Cause I'm just fucking get the bananas when you were out, you're out yesterday.
00:36:18.539 --> 00:36:21.300
Why do you, why do I need to make an extra stop for freaking bananas?
00:36:21.300 --> 00:36:24.920
I don't even care about bananas, but that's, that's in our marriage counseling session.
00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:25.559
That's good.
00:36:26.920 --> 00:36:27.699
Hey, we all need it.
00:36:29.269 --> 00:36:34.969
Um, so, so it's kind of a plug and play and how do you charge for it?
00:36:35.010 --> 00:36:38.019
Do you have to have a counselor there like in attendance for that?
00:36:38.019 --> 00:36:40.139
And it's just a little short, 15 minute kind of.
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:40.989
Yeah, no.
00:36:40.989 --> 00:36:41.619
So good question.
00:36:41.619 --> 00:36:44.079
So the way that we do it is it's an hour intake.
00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:52.579
So we bring the client in, we go over quite a bit of questionnaires because we need to figure out how much to quote unquote dose the person, um, how much to give them of the feedback, right?
00:36:52.940 --> 00:36:59.260
Um, because some people are going to be more discerning, more sensitive to, to external stimuli than others.
00:36:59.619 --> 00:37:04.429
Um, and so we need to figure that out through a series of questions and, and, um, and take paperwork.
00:37:04.829 --> 00:37:12.059
And then once we do that, then we, we typically will get the full map, the all 21 sites at the beginning of the session, again, depending on the client.
00:37:12.510 --> 00:37:18.434
And then from there, we have the map to be able to see, okay, hey, is, is all in Delta.
00:37:18.445 --> 00:37:20.324
We got to, we, and it's locked down.
00:37:20.335 --> 00:37:22.454
We really need to be able to lift that suppression.
00:37:22.864 --> 00:37:31.855
Um, and then we're able to notice some other of the, uh, other things, like some of them can be too, too much, uh, variability where it's, it's too reactive to things.
00:37:31.994 --> 00:37:37.585
Um, and so we're really assessing that map and figuring out what those pain points are of the client.
00:37:37.764 --> 00:37:38.005
What's the.
00:37:38.304 --> 00:37:39.574
symptoms they're noticing.
00:37:39.574 --> 00:37:42.905
So we're really just mapping all of that out with them in that first session.
00:37:43.264 --> 00:37:49.304
And then from there on out, um, it's about like eight to 12 sessions is kind of what's recommended is typically average.
00:37:49.724 --> 00:37:51.425
Um, you'll, you'll see results.
00:37:51.445 --> 00:37:55.755
You could, you can feel results even in the first session, but to be able to have that consistency.
00:37:56.215 --> 00:37:59.724
Um, and then about a 30 minute session is all it is after that.
00:37:59.724 --> 00:38:01.425
So then they're just coming in, being able to.
00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:07.239
And are you like, like, is the frontal lobe is, is in a Delta state or whatever?
00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:13.530
Like you mentioned, can you like turn up the, the feedback power on that portion and back it off on those other spots?
00:38:13.849 --> 00:38:14.880
We really want to do that.
00:38:14.940 --> 00:38:17.420
No, the brain, gosh, the brain is so cool.
00:38:17.429 --> 00:38:21.789
Like it is, it does pure information and it will do with it what it will.
00:38:21.820 --> 00:38:22.639
Yep, exactly.
00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:23.730
And even if.
00:38:23.744 --> 00:38:25.574
So we, that's why we do the full map.
00:38:25.585 --> 00:38:28.675
Even if somebody came in and was like, I'm only worried about the frontal lobe.
00:38:29.054 --> 00:38:35.925
Um, we would still do the full map because your occipital lobe is very much connected to your frontal lobe and, and vice versa.
00:38:36.074 --> 00:38:37.945
So we would still do the full map no matter what.
00:38:38.355 --> 00:38:42.715
Um, And then we may just see like, okay, after five sessions, you know, you're doing good.
00:38:42.715 --> 00:38:47.364
Let's do, let's reduce to once a month and then once a quarter and just little, little checkups.
00:38:47.364 --> 00:38:52.054
If there's like a targeted outcome at the end that you're just kind of feeling better about things.
00:38:52.315 --> 00:38:55.925
This is a depression breaker mostly, or what are we searching for?
00:38:55.925 --> 00:38:57.025
It's totally up to the client.
00:38:57.025 --> 00:38:58.755
So we, we identify at least three.
00:38:58.795 --> 00:39:03.144
three or like two to four different, um, pain points that they have.
00:39:03.465 --> 00:39:05.945
And based on those pain points, that's what we're looking for.
00:39:05.945 --> 00:39:09.784
So, um, depression, fatigue, and brain fog.
00:39:09.824 --> 00:39:13.195
That could be a client's pretty, pretty typical, you know, uh, reports.
00:39:13.875 --> 00:39:14.135
Yeah.
00:39:14.505 --> 00:39:16.954
And then they come in and we scale it zero to 10.
00:39:16.965 --> 00:39:17.744
Where is it at?
00:39:17.764 --> 00:39:19.394
You know, eight, nine, seven.
00:39:19.954 --> 00:39:22.954
And then I'm asking questions like, well, how do you.
00:39:23.349 --> 00:39:27.280
How would you or your loved ones know that you're doing better in brain fog, right?
00:39:27.289 --> 00:39:30.510
How would you or your loved ones know that you aren't as fatigued?
00:39:30.860 --> 00:39:33.860
Um, and then they're able to say what they want out of it.
00:39:35.150 --> 00:39:39.559
Um, well, I would feel more confident in having conversations with people at work.
00:39:39.920 --> 00:39:45.710
I would, I would be able to get up out of bed and have energy to go on a walk or whatever that may be.
00:39:45.710 --> 00:39:48.710
So they're naming the things that they're really longing for on that appointment.
00:39:49.110 --> 00:39:50.579
Um, and then that's what we're looking for.
00:39:50.579 --> 00:39:53.380
So each checkup we're asking, okay, where are you at on that scale?
00:39:53.380 --> 00:39:54.699
Outcomes based ultimately.
00:39:54.900 --> 00:39:54.980
Yeah.
00:39:54.980 --> 00:39:55.650
Which is really.
00:39:56.019 --> 00:39:58.980
quite thrilling for a therapist because everything is so much greater.
00:40:00.710 --> 00:40:06.440
And so we actually have reports to be able to look at and, and, uh, some more scaling than usual.
00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:09.460
It's not kind of a self diagnosis of, okay, I'm feeling better.
00:40:09.530 --> 00:40:09.780
Yeah.
00:40:10.230 --> 00:40:10.469
Yeah.
00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:12.969
Which is, which is a lot of it.
00:40:12.969 --> 00:40:13.710
Let's be honest.
00:40:13.710 --> 00:40:15.929
I mean, the report is just capturing a moment of time.
00:40:16.230 --> 00:40:18.960
We want to know what that, what that client is going through, how they're feeling.
00:40:18.980 --> 00:40:23.639
personally experiencing it, um, and, and then that's, that's what my results were.
00:40:23.650 --> 00:40:36.469
Just at that, after that first few times I did it there, um, just a couple of times being able to come in and I, I was in a meeting with, um, with one of the, with, uh, uh, perspective and I just felt sharp.
00:40:36.510 --> 00:40:37.289
I felt clear.
00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:39.260
I would, my word recall was right on point.
00:40:39.289 --> 00:40:41.110
I was like, Whoa, I feel this.
00:40:41.110 --> 00:40:42.949
You know, typically it's hard to notice.
00:40:42.949 --> 00:40:48.090
It's like if I had a rock in my shoe, I would notice it all the time until I take the rock out of the shoe.
00:40:48.090 --> 00:40:49.590
And then I'm not even going to notice anything.
00:40:49.590 --> 00:40:49.860
Right.
00:40:50.150 --> 00:40:57.079
So it's, it's, it's really up to the client to be hyper aware and honestly, to have the buy in from their loved ones, that's going to be important too.
00:40:57.449 --> 00:41:04.074
And so even when I hooked my husband up, cause of course I do, um, um, For me to be able to say, Hey, you haven't been as droggy in the morning.
00:41:04.144 --> 00:41:05.114
Like I totally noticed that.
00:41:05.114 --> 00:41:08.315
And he's, and then he's able to say, Oh yeah, you might be right.
00:41:08.344 --> 00:41:11.195
Or you were more patient with the kids or, you know what I mean?
00:41:11.224 --> 00:41:13.824
I'm able to see things more than maybe he is in the vice versa.
00:41:13.885 --> 00:41:20.150
Are there any downsides or no, there really isn't no school shootings or nothing like that so far.
00:41:20.150 --> 00:41:20.862
Gosh, no.
00:41:20.862 --> 00:41:22.764
It seems like the SSRIs is pretty.
00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:24.500
Pretty much linked to all of those.
00:41:24.510 --> 00:41:28.949
I, that's why, like, if we can get away from that, my goodness.
00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:33.039
Make America healthy again with the electric zaps, not chemical zaps.
00:41:33.059 --> 00:41:33.449
Yes.
00:41:33.449 --> 00:41:42.909
If we can get to the root cause, the root cause of trauma, the root cause of depression or whatever, whatever that ailment is, the root cause of a TBI, right?
00:41:43.150 --> 00:41:47.539
Um, the, the number of, and I like, have you ever had a TBI or brain injury?
00:41:47.539 --> 00:42:09.139
I That's what I hear more often than not and then the client's like well I mean, yeah, like I played football all through school and I got knocked out cold I mean there was one time when, uh, when kids in the locker room, uh, had me by the feet Like two different kids had me by one foot each and I was holding on to the wall between the shower and the locker room.
00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:09.590
Yeah.
00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:12.179
That was like a four foot or five foot high wall.
00:42:12.679 --> 00:42:16.539
And then they pulled me off of the wall and my head came down and hit the concrete floor.
00:42:16.579 --> 00:42:17.590
Mm hmm.
00:42:17.590 --> 00:42:17.800
So, yes.
00:42:17.820 --> 00:42:18.280
Could have been.
00:42:18.280 --> 00:42:21.949
I had a big, big ol goose egg on the front of my forehead for a while.
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:23.099
Maybe.
00:42:23.099 --> 00:42:24.429
So, I would say so.
00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:27.039
Seems likely in reflection.
00:42:27.210 --> 00:42:29.469
Much more often than we think we've had.
00:42:30.269 --> 00:42:39.559
I don't know if we would classify them as a true TBI, but we have had brain injuries just from day to day, bumps on the head, things that we've gone through, our sports that we've played.
00:42:39.619 --> 00:42:42.329
Oh, and I've hit my top of my head cause I'm a tall guy.
00:42:42.820 --> 00:42:52.869
And like, I remember one time in particular, I, when I lived in Fargo during my college years, I was running up the stairs cause I was in a hurry cause I.
00:42:53.324 --> 00:43:11.969
I probably didn't have a date, but, um, but I was bringing my laundry basket up the stairs and it had like a low entry thing and I, you know, just as I stepped up, I just slammed my head directly squarely into the top and literally like fell down and saw stars and got back up a couple more times.
00:43:12.110 --> 00:43:17.750
Minute or two later, I mean, really, for sure.
00:43:18.070 --> 00:43:23.469
And so then what the brain does is it suppresses itself because it wants to protect its human, right?
00:43:23.469 --> 00:43:25.340
It wants to like, hold onto it.
00:43:25.340 --> 00:43:27.739
And, and that's a physical trauma, right?
00:43:27.929 --> 00:43:31.119
But the brain does the same thing over an emotional trauma as well.
00:43:31.170 --> 00:43:33.510
And so it's, it's, that's the job.
00:43:33.550 --> 00:43:36.070
The brain's number one job is to protect its human.
00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:37.409
And so we.
00:43:37.710 --> 00:43:41.059
We have to help it, but it's a helicopter mom.
00:43:41.059 --> 00:43:42.510
We don't want the helicopter mom.
00:43:42.510 --> 00:43:45.710
We want to have some freedom, that, that open hand mentality.
00:43:45.710 --> 00:43:46.000
Right?
00:43:46.030 --> 00:43:46.480
Right.
00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:48.730
Well, and I'm starting to think about substance abuse.
00:43:48.730 --> 00:44:27.565
I, you know, I offered you, uh, either, this is homegrown marijuana, if that matters, pure organic, um, but also the, the, the magic mushroom also opting out, but I appreciate it, but people use, use substances probably that like, Ultimately, it's almost like their subconscience of their brain protecting their human from all the, you know, the, the, the drama of either the drama or the, the, or the, just the boredom of regular old, not high life or whatever, but also the, because if, if we're locked down and if we saw Matt, like the maps that I'm talking about, then we would just be locked down in this like status quo, flat line.
00:44:27.585 --> 00:44:27.965
Right.
00:44:27.965 --> 00:44:28.385
Yeah.
00:44:28.599 --> 00:44:32.690
That, that it, and if it's in a Delta state, yeah, we need excitement.
00:44:32.690 --> 00:44:40.829
We need to be able to activate the joy from, we need to activate the fight or flight response, the sympathetic nervous system.
00:44:40.829 --> 00:44:41.099
Right.
00:44:41.519 --> 00:44:42.309
We need that.
00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:47.719
And so some people can't get into that because they're so locked down in parasympathetic or vice versa.
00:44:47.750 --> 00:44:52.750
So many people are, are constant in fight or flight that they can't rest and digest.
00:44:53.409 --> 00:44:54.905
And so we need, right.
00:44:55.195 --> 00:44:56.034
the ebb and flow.
00:44:56.034 --> 00:44:56.864
We need that.
00:44:56.875 --> 00:44:58.144
Like that's a good thing.
00:44:58.195 --> 00:45:07.969
Um, and I think we have, we have adapted substances or not or traumas or not, whatever it may be, but I think all too often we're just We're stuck.
00:45:08.119 --> 00:45:08.530
We're stuck.
00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:17.309
I, uh, am not just a podcast host, I'm also a podcast consumer and, uh, somebody was making a joke, you know, well, with Trump, it's going to be the same thing as with everybody else.
00:45:17.340 --> 00:45:43.175
Uh, you want to talk about mushrooms and ayahuasca and this and that, but, but like he's convinced that he was just talking with our vice president elect about, especially about, um, uh, the psychedelic mushrooms and Ketamine as it relates and there's one other chemical that's like, oh, I I've gain or I Bogdan e or some Ibogaine.
00:45:43.315 --> 00:45:53.894
Yeah, so Terribly disturbing experience like not recreational at all, but it gets a lot of people out of these kind of cycles of Trauma, apparently.
00:45:53.894 --> 00:45:57.335
And like, what's your professional perspective on that?
00:45:57.335 --> 00:45:58.485
Or is it just no enough?
00:45:58.514 --> 00:45:59.675
I really, truly don't.
00:45:59.704 --> 00:46:07.005
And I, I just haven't honestly, transparently, I haven't had the time to, to lean into it and to do the homework and figure it out.
00:46:07.054 --> 00:46:13.284
Um, I think the concept that from again, the little bit that I know is to be able to break.
00:46:13.485 --> 00:46:14.465
The stuckness, right?
00:46:14.465 --> 00:46:17.465
Break the cycle to be able to give yourself your own empathy.
00:46:17.534 --> 00:46:20.894
You're like, well, they could just do eight sessions of my neuro thingy here.
00:46:20.925 --> 00:46:21.445
Maybe.
00:46:21.974 --> 00:46:24.635
I mean, and I don't know to each their own, right?
00:46:24.635 --> 00:46:25.545
Whatever works for them.
00:46:25.545 --> 00:46:25.974
Truly.
00:46:25.974 --> 00:46:26.925
I believe in that.
00:46:26.945 --> 00:46:31.684
Um, again, I would, I would, I would want the thing that's, that doesn't have the side effect.
00:46:31.695 --> 00:46:35.914
I would want the thing that's not going to have a lasting negative effect potentially, right.
00:46:36.304 --> 00:46:39.715
Um, or become dependent on it, um, or use it as a crutch, et cetera.
00:46:39.784 --> 00:46:40.045
Sure.
00:46:40.114 --> 00:46:42.235
Um, So, I don't know enough.
00:46:42.235 --> 00:46:42.802
Yeah, yeah, fair enough.
00:46:42.802 --> 00:46:43.525
Yeah, I really don't.
00:46:43.764 --> 00:46:47.344
Um, uh, series suggestion, uh, Three Body Problem.
00:46:47.835 --> 00:46:47.985
Yeah.
00:46:48.005 --> 00:46:49.264
On Netflix, there's a new series.
00:46:49.335 --> 00:46:49.724
Oh, really?
00:46:49.755 --> 00:47:01.840
Um, and Uh, it's, I'm not in far enough to tell you the whole plot, but there's like somehow all the physicists of the world are like going crazy unless they stop practicing their craft.
00:47:02.320 --> 00:47:07.389
Like there's somebody trying to kill science virtually in this, uh, um, and.
00:47:09.090 --> 00:47:14.369
I guess the, the notion there is like the puzzle is always challenging, right?
00:47:14.460 --> 00:47:18.119
Um, but you've got a lot of optimism over this, uh, what do you call it?
00:47:18.119 --> 00:47:18.610
Neurofeedback?
00:47:18.650 --> 00:47:19.429
Neurofeedback.
00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:25.440
And is this like a captive, is there like one company that kind of controls this technology right now or has it patented?
00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:26.445
This one in particular.
00:47:26.445 --> 00:47:26.695
Yep.
00:47:26.695 --> 00:47:31.030
This one in particular is Oaks Labs, um, out there in San Francisco area.
00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:34.340
And, uh, And yeah, so they're the ones he's founded this.
00:47:34.340 --> 00:47:35.739
He created it back in the nineties.
00:47:35.739 --> 00:47:36.340
It's been around.
00:47:36.710 --> 00:47:36.969
Yep.
00:47:36.969 --> 00:47:38.539
So it's been around for a really long time.
00:47:38.889 --> 00:47:47.250
And the difference between like a traditional neurofeedback, which there's quite a bit of options out there for that, but that one's going to take more active participation from the client.
00:47:47.250 --> 00:48:01.389
So it'd be the similar and similar in the sense of, um, capturing that electrical wiring of the brain, that whatever, um, that information, but then the client is watching a video or audio recording and it's interrupting the pattern.
00:48:01.389 --> 00:48:08.139
So it's basically sending it more of an active interference into the pattern versus this one.
00:48:08.550 --> 00:48:12.440
And studies show that it's more effective because it's mirroring it back.
00:48:12.460 --> 00:48:22.965
And then that's what is giving the brain, um, Yeah, well, the brain adheres to the change more because it made it itself instead of getting kind of short circuited into it.
00:48:23.224 --> 00:48:24.025
Yeah, interesting.
00:48:24.675 --> 00:48:30.144
Um, anything else new and trendy in the world of, uh, brain understanding?
00:48:30.275 --> 00:48:34.059
Yeah, I mean, I think that How do you keep your the right plasticity.
00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:34.469
Yeah.
00:48:34.469 --> 00:48:34.989
Great question.
00:48:34.989 --> 00:48:41.300
So I, I'm now practicing neurofeedback on myself and I even have my, my husband and my kids hook me up, and it's great.
00:48:41.309 --> 00:48:42.019
And it's super fun.
00:48:42.360 --> 00:49:01.605
Um, but, uh, but honestly, like I, I know it's a, it's a broken record for me, but truly like consistent and proactive self care for me is critical and it, Yes, can be me going to my own therapist and talking through my stuff, but it's also going to be me waking up early, having quiet time before the hustle and bustle of little kids and the school demands and all the things.
00:49:01.635 --> 00:49:03.155
Friday's mostly sometimes off.
00:49:03.184 --> 00:49:03.554
Yes.
00:49:03.565 --> 00:49:12.485
Friday's off is really important for me to have a day, at least a day off with no appointments is really valuable, but also I'm very much an extrovert where I need to be out.
00:49:12.505 --> 00:49:14.554
I couldn't just be a, a stay at home mom.
00:49:14.625 --> 00:49:17.255
Like it would not be good for me or my kids or my husband.
00:49:17.255 --> 00:49:23.619
So, um, So knowing, knowing, I just, the self awareness of, of how I'm wired and who I am.
00:49:23.619 --> 00:49:29.139
And, and knowing that my, I'm an Enneagram three wing two, knowing that those things are really important to the helper.
00:49:29.349 --> 00:49:29.699
Yep.
00:49:29.929 --> 00:49:30.190
Yep.
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:34.380
Um, and practicing that and being proactive, right?
00:49:34.409 --> 00:49:42.280
So when I start to see like, Oh, I'm just a little more irritable or, um, I'm getting sick more often or whatever that is, then I make sure I sit in my infrared sauna.
00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:44.119
I make sure that I, I scheduled the time.
00:49:44.119 --> 00:49:49.170
I make sure I work out, um, go on runs and whatnot too, because that's And riding my horses.
00:49:49.170 --> 00:49:51.250
And, you know, I have the hobbies.
00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:53.329
Um, and I do believe that that's something that's.
00:49:53.599 --> 00:49:58.849
Important for me to, for I think everybody I would argue, but yeah, yeah, for sure.
00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:03.110
Um, would you like to ask me any questions?
00:50:03.449 --> 00:50:05.755
Oh, I was going to ask you, uh, I was going to ask you what you think.
00:50:06.485 --> 00:50:10.445
I probably shared this with you in our first podcast, but what would you guess my Enneagram to be?
00:50:10.635 --> 00:50:11.255
Oh, I did.
00:50:11.324 --> 00:50:11.815
I did.
00:50:11.974 --> 00:50:14.635
I do remember you asking that and I don't remember what I, what I said.
00:50:15.054 --> 00:50:16.664
Um, are you a seven?
00:50:16.965 --> 00:50:17.434
Do you know?
00:50:17.465 --> 00:50:18.184
Have you taken the assessment?
00:50:18.324 --> 00:50:18.644
I am.
00:50:18.644 --> 00:50:19.034
Yeah.
00:50:19.164 --> 00:50:20.594
Uh, seven predominant.
00:50:20.704 --> 00:50:23.414
Well, seven, eight are pretty much equal usually.
00:50:24.440 --> 00:50:24.829
That was right.
00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:25.920
I didn't listen.
00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:26.710
I didn't cheat, I promise.
00:50:26.849 --> 00:50:27.510
I didn't even listen to it.
00:50:27.989 --> 00:50:29.340
Um, but yeah, I could see that.
00:50:29.340 --> 00:50:33.969
Um, and I find it to be a really interesting platform as well.
00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:37.010
Your chapter, has your chapter done the Hallows thing?
00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:37.710
Yes.
00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:39.079
Okay, I thought so.
00:50:39.230 --> 00:50:40.289
Don't ask me what I am.
00:50:40.349 --> 00:50:41.199
Yeah, you don't remember.
00:50:41.250 --> 00:50:43.510
Oh, I'll have to dig that back out for you one of these days.
00:50:43.780 --> 00:50:51.960
I'm more of a compartmentalized, uh, like, I just remember, I have a lot of specialized knowledge and I remember certain things that are really important to day to day.
00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:52.269
Yeah, yeah.
00:50:52.360 --> 00:50:54.469
I don't have a lot of the general knowledge and memory.
00:50:54.860 --> 00:51:04.260
Well, I'd like to get you excited about Halos as well because it's got some, some similarities to the Enneagram and some things that are just kind of simpler and easier.
00:51:04.269 --> 00:51:04.449
Uh huh.
00:51:04.905 --> 00:51:15.375
Uh, to, uh, implement, I guess I would say, um, you know, uh, Enneagram is really exciting in theory, but it's kind of sometimes you gotta get deep before you start to really understand how to do stuff.
00:51:15.525 --> 00:51:15.804
Yeah.
00:51:15.905 --> 00:51:16.684
Uh, so anyway.
00:51:16.855 --> 00:51:17.045
Yeah.
00:51:17.045 --> 00:51:17.780
That's fine.
00:51:17.780 --> 00:51:19.250
Um, yeah, go ahead.
00:51:19.250 --> 00:51:19.985
Uh, okay.
00:51:19.985 --> 00:51:21.875
So what's going on with Loco Think Tank?
00:51:21.885 --> 00:51:22.545
Where, where are you at?
00:51:22.554 --> 00:51:23.155
How are you doing?
00:51:23.344 --> 00:51:24.355
I'm, you know, I'm okay.
00:51:24.385 --> 00:51:42.869
We're, we're about the same membership today as we were, Last year, this time, so that, well, it's good and I guess, you know, I've heard that from a lot of businesses that it's been a fight to stay the same size in 2024 revenue wise as they were in 2023, just some, you know, challenging marketplaces and whatever.
00:51:43.269 --> 00:51:48.400
Um, but after years of growing at least 10 or 15 percent every year, it feels like a L.
00:51:49.250 --> 00:51:52.159
To be honest, um, so that's okay.
00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:55.309
Uh, you know, I've been goofing around with my ambulance camper.
00:51:55.940 --> 00:51:56.670
I love that.
00:51:56.670 --> 00:51:57.130
That's good.
00:51:57.519 --> 00:52:00.829
We've been out there a lot, but it's broken right now.
00:52:00.829 --> 00:52:03.019
I'm trying to get it repaired.
00:52:03.019 --> 00:52:04.114
So that's good.
00:52:04.114 --> 00:52:07.400
And yeah, we're doing some of the EOS stuff.
00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:26.804
You know, Alma is a natural integrator and, um, allowing a, a, a, 21, almost 22 year old, the confidence to, to grow into that space of really being an integrator is, you know, uh, you know, I think she questions that more than I do, uh, but not that much, you know, she's confident.
00:52:26.815 --> 00:52:33.480
So that's been fun to see her grow a lot in the last year and a half, especially, um, I don't know.
00:52:33.690 --> 00:52:34.019
Yeah.
00:52:34.110 --> 00:52:35.539
You want to get into therapy questions?
00:52:35.730 --> 00:52:36.119
Sure.
00:52:36.179 --> 00:52:36.449
Sure.
00:52:36.489 --> 00:52:36.630
Yeah.
00:52:36.630 --> 00:52:42.739
Do you want to, do you want to just do a quick, uh, your first, uh, five minutes of a session with a prospective new client here?
00:52:42.739 --> 00:52:43.030
Oh yeah.
00:52:43.030 --> 00:52:45.730
I was going to ask those same questions of like, what's the pain points?
00:52:45.739 --> 00:52:49.090
What would you, what would you need more of?
00:52:49.090 --> 00:52:50.559
What do you long more of in your life right now?
00:52:50.599 --> 00:52:52.230
From a business focus?
00:52:52.230 --> 00:52:52.559
Personal.
00:52:52.730 --> 00:52:53.239
Personal.
00:52:53.269 --> 00:52:54.150
If you're willing to go there.
00:52:54.230 --> 00:52:54.690
Yeah.
00:52:55.210 --> 00:52:58.449
Um, you know, health is one thing I would like more of right now.
00:52:58.449 --> 00:52:59.929
My, my knee is.
00:53:00.429 --> 00:53:04.329
Inflamed and psoriatic, uh, psoriatic arthritis.
00:53:04.409 --> 00:53:04.679
Okay.
00:53:04.780 --> 00:53:10.559
And so, like, I can't really run very good or walk a long ways right now which is annoying.
00:53:10.570 --> 00:53:10.840
Yeah.
00:53:12.090 --> 00:53:12.849
What is there?
00:53:12.860 --> 00:53:13.730
I don't know enough about it.
00:53:13.730 --> 00:53:16.659
Is there, are there things to do to heal from this, to recover?
00:53:18.460 --> 00:53:19.179
Yeah.
00:53:19.239 --> 00:53:24.980
I mean, diet, you know, uh, for me, gluten is a trigger for it.
00:53:26.019 --> 00:53:28.239
It's I'm going to the beach here on Friday.
00:53:28.239 --> 00:53:30.570
So a lot of sun helps a lot with that.
00:53:30.570 --> 00:53:31.539
So that'll be good.
00:53:31.590 --> 00:53:31.860
Yeah.
00:53:32.139 --> 00:53:36.826
Um, alcohol, I'm not supposed to drink alcohol.
00:53:36.826 --> 00:53:39.498
It's not supposed to smoke either.
00:53:39.498 --> 00:53:42.090
So, you know, all the bad things.
00:53:42.219 --> 00:53:42.550
Yeah.
00:53:42.690 --> 00:53:47.400
Um, But mostly it's just patience and he's an auto autoimmune thing.
00:53:47.400 --> 00:53:54.639
So it'll stop attacking you as soon as you've kind of let it settle down Yeah, have you ever done an infrared sauna?
00:53:55.150 --> 00:54:07.730
I have yeah, actually I have That's one of the reasons that it caught my interest is because I've done that as a preventative in the past for I've mostly had my psoriasis arrive in Like skin for sure.
00:54:07.789 --> 00:54:15.480
Yucky skin kind of things and cracked lips one point in time I think maybe even at that time that we did that podcast I don't know.
00:54:15.500 --> 00:54:17.880
I remember one part of the COVID season.
00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:41.880
There was that so So but otherwise, you know, my sleep is pretty good relationship with Jill is pretty good we have great conversations and stuff We've got an exchange student but the I would say I'm at least a little bit depressed because just the last year is the first time I've really had physical limitations of consequence.
00:54:42.039 --> 00:54:42.300
Okay.
00:54:42.670 --> 00:54:42.889
Yeah.
00:54:42.889 --> 00:54:43.909
So that's annoying.
00:54:44.010 --> 00:54:44.940
Yeah, absolutely.
00:54:44.949 --> 00:54:46.119
How would you know it was better?
00:54:46.179 --> 00:54:48.630
What would you, how would you or your loved ones know it's better?
00:54:49.619 --> 00:54:50.250
Physical health.
00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:51.610
Just be able to do stuff.
00:54:52.019 --> 00:54:52.349
Like what?
00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:54.440
Like run if I wanted to.
00:54:54.579 --> 00:54:54.699
Okay.
00:54:54.820 --> 00:54:55.610
Are you, do you run?
00:54:55.610 --> 00:54:56.130
Are you a runner?
00:54:56.139 --> 00:54:56.719
I can't run right now.
00:54:56.719 --> 00:54:57.280
No, I have run.
00:54:57.280 --> 00:54:57.599
Typically.
00:54:57.610 --> 00:54:57.889
Yeah.
00:54:57.969 --> 00:55:02.260
I was a runner pretty consistently from 42 to 47, 48.
00:55:02.260 --> 00:55:02.570
Yeah.
00:55:02.610 --> 00:55:03.159
Good.
00:55:04.644 --> 00:55:05.494
Yeah, well I hope that.
00:55:05.534 --> 00:55:09.945
I mean, hopefully that's enough motivation to, to do the self care, right?
00:55:09.945 --> 00:55:10.335
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:55:10.335 --> 00:55:11.494
To do the things, to be able to help.
00:55:11.534 --> 00:55:13.565
I did have a win, uh, this past year.
00:55:13.565 --> 00:55:20.505
I, uh, about September of last year, I, uh, was here playing ping pong with some friends.
00:55:20.514 --> 00:55:20.534
Yeah.
00:55:20.585 --> 00:55:25.965
And I could, I was challenged and it was true that I could barely squeeze out 20 push ups.
00:55:26.155 --> 00:55:26.994
Oh, yeah.
00:55:27.005 --> 00:55:28.545
Uh, so that's pretty pathetic.
00:55:28.994 --> 00:55:29.525
Um.
00:55:29.525 --> 00:55:31.114
I don't, I wouldn't say pathetic, but.
00:55:31.114 --> 00:55:33.014
Well, for a dude, it's pretty pathetic.
00:55:33.394 --> 00:55:34.065
But I, but I.
00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:42.769
Worked my way up to 50, but by my 50th birthday, so I did 50, even 51 push ups, uh, just to prove it, um, last August.
00:55:42.920 --> 00:55:46.539
So, and I've done about 50 push ups since then.
00:55:46.639 --> 00:55:47.210
That's cool.
00:55:47.650 --> 00:55:48.070
Since then.
00:55:48.269 --> 00:55:49.329
Well, so do better.
00:55:49.369 --> 00:55:49.659
Do more.
00:55:49.659 --> 00:55:52.010
Yeah, I need to get back on the horse, you know.
00:55:52.010 --> 00:55:56.199
You know, one thing I, I But it doesn't, but it doesn't heal my knee and my knee needs rehab.
00:55:56.210 --> 00:55:57.960
Well, but I would say both, right?
00:55:57.960 --> 00:55:58.179
Right.
00:55:58.179 --> 00:56:03.980
Both and, um, One thing I did this year that I was just like, I want to do the things that are uncomfortable.
00:56:03.989 --> 00:56:04.329
Right.
00:56:04.659 --> 00:56:11.699
Because I think again, this soapbox of mine, we just get so complacent and so comfortable and everything's way too easy.
00:56:11.719 --> 00:56:12.039
Right.
00:56:12.090 --> 00:56:15.469
Um, so it just little things from the new year.
00:56:15.489 --> 00:56:17.519
Cause winter, winter months are not good for me.
00:56:17.550 --> 00:56:18.690
Winter months are tough.
00:56:19.090 --> 00:56:19.440
Yeah.
00:56:19.440 --> 00:56:19.949
Yeah.
00:56:19.949 --> 00:56:20.900
Just for a lot of reasons.
00:56:20.900 --> 00:56:24.099
But our hobbies, the things that we do love to do, we're not able to do.
00:56:24.119 --> 00:56:25.784
Uh, we don't ski, we don't do any of this stuff.
00:56:25.885 --> 00:56:27.905
The fun snow stuff in Colorado.
00:56:27.905 --> 00:56:31.034
But, um, so I learned how to solve a Rubik's cube.
00:56:31.335 --> 00:56:32.074
That was fun.
00:56:32.144 --> 00:56:35.474
Well, yeah, that was something that was uncomfortable that I challenged myself to do.
00:56:35.844 --> 00:56:48.215
Um, little things from like joining a volleyball league to like things that it took guts and bravery, like to, to step out of the comfort zone to do something, I think karaoke in Mexico once.
00:56:48.574 --> 00:56:50.385
I mean, it was awful, but you know what I mean?
00:56:50.394 --> 00:56:50.414
Yeah.
00:56:50.860 --> 00:56:56.940
Things that are ridiculous, but Learning and doing new things is Learning and doing new things and getting uncomfortable.
00:56:57.030 --> 00:56:57.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:56:57.699 --> 00:57:02.929
So what are some things that you would do What do you Do you need to get uncomfortable?
00:57:02.940 --> 00:57:04.440
Do you need to do things that are uncomfortable?
00:57:05.239 --> 00:57:05.530
I don't know.
00:57:05.559 --> 00:57:06.460
It's a good question.
00:57:06.539 --> 00:57:23.269
Um, you got me thinking a little bit like, like when we got the ping pong tables going or table going initially was COVID nation and either the, uh, the house rules is that you play with your left hand if you're up by five points or more.
00:57:23.530 --> 00:57:23.929
Oh, cool.
00:57:23.989 --> 00:57:28.230
And so at this point in time, I could probably crush you with my left hand, even though.
00:57:28.260 --> 00:57:28.960
I would probably guess.
00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:29.380
Yeah.
00:57:29.769 --> 00:57:34.250
And so that was kind of fun learning how to effectively play ping pong with my left hand.
00:57:34.250 --> 00:57:34.664
Okay.
00:57:34.815 --> 00:57:40.644
And my left hand, you know, I haven't advanced at all in the last couple of years, probably declined because I play far less.
00:57:40.684 --> 00:57:41.204
Yeah, yeah.
00:57:41.264 --> 00:57:58.820
Um, so yeah, is there something that would really make, you know, on, two things really, um, is, you know, I think I would be an effective, uh, stand up comic if I, Actually worked on my material and actually tried and stuff like that.
00:57:58.829 --> 00:57:59.900
That would be kind of fun.
00:58:00.030 --> 00:58:00.280
Yeah.
00:58:00.590 --> 00:58:03.679
Um, my wife is terrified of the things that I might say.
00:58:03.690 --> 00:58:05.639
I'm terrified for you because the anxiety.
00:58:05.639 --> 00:58:06.159
For her.
00:58:06.429 --> 00:58:11.530
I, no, just, just that idea of standing in front of people, but I think it's amazing.
00:58:11.530 --> 00:58:13.639
That's such a great example of getting uncomfortable.
00:58:13.650 --> 00:58:19.079
I'm confident I'm one of the funniest people I know in a live or improv conversational basis.
00:58:19.079 --> 00:58:20.090
Oh, I make people laugh all the time.
00:58:20.099 --> 00:58:20.429
Yeah.
00:58:21.394 --> 00:58:23.306
And I've never been up on a stage trying to make people do it.
00:58:23.306 --> 00:58:25.304
Oh my goodness, I think you, you know, you gotta do it.
00:58:25.974 --> 00:58:27.405
Um, yeah, so that's, I guess, one.
00:58:27.454 --> 00:58:28.324
That's the easier one.
00:58:28.335 --> 00:58:28.655
Okay, yeah.
00:58:28.864 --> 00:58:29.358
I think that should be done.
00:58:29.358 --> 00:58:30.784
I'd also like to learn how to play the guitar.
00:58:30.885 --> 00:58:36.784
You know, that's funny, cause I was trying to think of what my new 2025, um, uncomfortable goal was.
00:58:37.125 --> 00:58:42.159
And I think it would be to learn to I think playing a guitar would be amazing or some kind of a musical instrument.
00:58:42.170 --> 00:58:43.000
I don't, I don't have that.
00:58:43.050 --> 00:58:47.010
I have a guitar and I'm a, I'm a pretty good singer already.
00:58:47.599 --> 00:58:50.619
And it's just like, it would be nice to add the guitar to it.
00:58:50.650 --> 00:58:51.820
Then you can play the guitar and sing.
00:58:52.744 --> 00:58:53.894
So I'm holding you to it.
00:58:53.985 --> 00:58:54.474
Both?
00:58:54.525 --> 00:58:55.284
I'm not gonna do both.
00:58:55.335 --> 00:58:55.514
Yeah, why not?
00:58:56.775 --> 00:58:58.565
Um, because I'm busy.
00:58:59.135 --> 00:59:00.855
Like they both are gonna take a lot of time.
00:59:01.204 --> 00:59:03.914
I tried to learn how to play the guitar before and it was hard.
00:59:03.925 --> 00:59:04.494
It is hard.
00:59:05.085 --> 00:59:08.425
I got my daughter a ukulele just because she's little.
00:59:08.545 --> 00:59:09.025
It was little.
00:59:09.034 --> 00:59:09.454
I don't know.
00:59:09.644 --> 00:59:10.505
I don't know anything about it.
00:59:11.905 --> 00:59:13.014
And I thought, Oh, this would be fun.
00:59:13.014 --> 00:59:13.655
We'll do it together.
00:59:14.335 --> 00:59:15.375
We haven't touched it since.
00:59:15.375 --> 00:59:16.414
It was so hard.
00:59:16.425 --> 00:59:17.045
It's so annoying.
00:59:17.085 --> 00:59:18.614
You make all these stupid sounds.
00:59:19.534 --> 00:59:23.905
But somebody that can do it is like music is a really important thing in my life.
00:59:23.905 --> 00:59:24.675
I just love it.
00:59:24.675 --> 00:59:25.855
I need to listen to it more.
00:59:25.864 --> 00:59:37.235
And, uh, It's, I just have a lot of for that reason, I think that for two reasons, I think that if I could learn guitar, then I would have that.
00:59:37.824 --> 00:59:38.164
Right.
00:59:38.164 --> 00:59:40.954
And it would just be part of my toolkit.
00:59:40.954 --> 00:59:42.184
Yeah.
00:59:42.184 --> 00:59:55.804
And because my wife isn't excited about the improv comedy stand up kind of thing, at least for now, that'll go on a second word you're going to pick on her or Tell some secrets or what?
00:59:55.815 --> 01:00:11.695
No, I think, well, potentially pick on or reveal things or just be, you know, she's, she's a Christian son of her mother and daughter and very modest and stuff, so even things bordering on sexual innuendo are kind of over the line for her.
01:00:12.025 --> 01:00:12.114
Okay.
01:00:12.125 --> 01:00:16.750
You know, I have a great repertoire of that's what she said comments and, you know.
01:00:17.010 --> 01:00:20.139
Most of them don't really land with her as much.
01:00:22.070 --> 01:00:48.125
So there's that, and you know, just the, um, And I think, yeah, like, I don't think she, if there was a destination, like if all of a sudden I like blew up and because I'm such a funny comic, I get booked and now people start, you know, I get thousands, tens of thousands of downloads on my podcast, all of a sudden, you know, JD Vance wants to be in my podcast when he announces this 2028 run, right?
01:00:48.525 --> 01:00:51.125
And she just does not want that.
01:00:51.844 --> 01:00:55.934
And I think I could kind of surf that wave with some comfort.
01:00:55.949 --> 01:01:06.059
Mm-hmm Although I don't, you know, I kind of like being, having my guests be the star of the show, and so that's part of why I'm more comfortable in this chair than that one.
01:01:06.510 --> 01:01:06.599
Sure.
01:01:06.659 --> 01:01:13.670
Um, but you wouldn't, she wouldn't want the dis, she wouldn't want the optimal outcome necessarily.
01:01:13.670 --> 01:01:18.199
And so it's hard to say that, you know, whereas I'm not gonna start a band No.
01:01:18.199 --> 01:01:23.900
And go get famous and that I might become the, you know, uh, uh, uh, the house regular down at, uh.
01:01:24.429 --> 01:01:30.630
What's the Irish bar down there, um, in Old Town Square?
01:01:31.514 --> 01:01:32.204
Lucky Joe's.
01:01:32.250 --> 01:01:32.590
Oh yeah.
01:01:32.864 --> 01:01:32.985
Yeah.
01:01:32.985 --> 01:01:34.155
I could be like Lucky Joe's.
01:01:34.155 --> 01:01:34.155
Yeah.
01:01:34.155 --> 01:01:34.949
There go dude every Wednesday.
01:01:34.949 --> 01:01:35.789
Mm-hmm Or something like that.
01:01:37.304 --> 01:01:37.664
I like it.
01:01:37.695 --> 01:01:39.344
Like that would be the optimal outcome there.
01:01:39.344 --> 01:01:41.414
And Joe would be like, eh, that's kind of cool.
01:01:41.474 --> 01:01:41.775
Yeah.
01:01:41.925 --> 01:01:42.284
You know?
01:01:42.284 --> 01:01:44.715
So it's a different kind of ideal outcome is different.
01:01:45.675 --> 01:01:47.085
Um, any other questions for me?
01:01:47.385 --> 01:01:47.445
Um.
01:01:49.260 --> 01:01:50.130
Would you like some more wine?
01:01:50.579 --> 01:01:51.110
Should we take a break?
01:01:51.130 --> 01:01:51.480
Oh, you could.
01:01:51.489 --> 01:01:52.010
Yeah, sure.
01:01:52.119 --> 01:01:53.250
Okay, let's just take a break.
01:01:53.269 --> 01:01:55.630
We'll come back and have full glasses of wine.
01:01:55.699 --> 01:01:55.989
Perfect.
01:01:56.489 --> 01:01:56.860
I like it.
01:02:40.914 --> 01:02:45.704
And Rebecca, uh, what would you say that your, uh, belch fart ratio is at home?
01:02:46.844 --> 01:02:50.675
You know, oh, you make me laugh.
01:02:50.675 --> 01:02:53.085
We're testing out like interesting or awkward questions.
01:02:53.094 --> 01:02:53.735
Sure, sure.
01:02:53.735 --> 01:02:54.509
I think that might be a pretty good one.
01:02:54.509 --> 01:02:55.284
Yeah, yeah, that's a good one.
01:02:55.324 --> 01:03:03.954
Um, Pretty, we're, you know, we're pretty, uh, we're not, we, we have closed, no, we have closed doors in our house.
01:03:04.224 --> 01:03:09.465
Like, you know, there's some couples out there that have open door policy, go into the bathroom, all the things.
01:03:09.474 --> 01:03:10.804
No, we closed door.
01:03:10.864 --> 01:03:11.625
Just closed door.
01:03:11.635 --> 01:03:11.925
For sure.
01:03:11.925 --> 01:03:13.295
So you do your farting in the bathroom.
01:03:13.820 --> 01:03:22.969
Um, I mean, I, yeah, pretty much don't, I don't, I'm not a very much belching earlier, but that's very different.
01:03:25.880 --> 01:03:27.969
Farts are like 10 times grosser than belches.
01:03:27.980 --> 01:03:28.500
Is that true?
01:03:28.809 --> 01:03:29.019
Yeah.
01:03:29.019 --> 01:03:30.210
We call them toots in my house.
01:03:30.250 --> 01:03:30.639
Toots.
01:03:30.679 --> 01:03:33.320
Oh, you don't even acknowledge them for what they are.
01:03:33.909 --> 01:03:34.190
Okay.
01:03:34.219 --> 01:03:36.969
I couldn't remember if they were both girls or what, so that's fair.
01:03:37.690 --> 01:03:41.670
Um, so that's actually a good transition.
01:03:41.739 --> 01:03:55.530
Um, What would you tell little girls, um, your girls, or we'll even say a, a, a 16 or 18 or 20 year old young lady that's like pre professional career.
01:03:55.659 --> 01:03:55.900
Sure.
01:03:55.980 --> 01:03:59.809
Um, maybe she's thinking about going to school for psychology.
01:03:59.820 --> 01:03:59.840
Yeah.
01:03:59.849 --> 01:04:01.349
She might want to be a counselor someday.
01:04:01.360 --> 01:04:01.380
Yeah.
01:04:01.500 --> 01:04:05.150
She wants to help people or whatever that looks like.
01:04:05.414 --> 01:04:09.715
Um, or maybe she just wants to have a business.
01:04:09.715 --> 01:04:20.864
Like to me, you feel like an entrepreneur that has a counseling business a little bit more than a counselor that, yeah, like, I feel like if you wouldn't have fallen into counseling, you would have.
01:04:21.505 --> 01:04:31.394
You could have owned a plumbing supply store or a Mary Kay franchise, or, you know, something like, it feels like you would have probably found a way to be, not have a boss.
01:04:31.434 --> 01:04:31.934
Yeah.
01:04:32.034 --> 01:04:35.335
I always, you know, and it's funny, my dad would tell this story all the time.
01:04:35.715 --> 01:04:36.925
This is, I'm telling on my dad.
01:04:37.324 --> 01:04:39.235
Um, he'd be like, all right.
01:04:39.974 --> 01:04:41.684
One of the sisters, I've got two older sisters.
01:04:41.686 --> 01:04:43.724
He'd be like, lazy, go get me a beer out of the garage.
01:04:43.724 --> 01:04:45.824
And we'd have to walk through outside in the cold.
01:04:45.824 --> 01:04:47.855
We were born and raised in Craig, Colorado.
01:04:47.855 --> 01:04:48.795
So it was always cold.
01:04:48.894 --> 01:04:51.644
Um, and then they'd come back with one beer at a time, right?
01:04:51.644 --> 01:04:52.545
And then here you go, dad.
01:04:52.755 --> 01:04:55.485
And then 20 minutes later, Kelly, go get me a beer.
01:04:55.625 --> 01:04:58.264
And then one beer at a time and then Becky, rapid pace.
01:04:59.625 --> 01:05:02.085
I'm sure Becky go get me a beer.
01:05:02.244 --> 01:05:06.204
And I would come back with a handful because I'm, I'm, I'm always just like.
01:05:06.869 --> 01:05:08.090
Work smarter, not harder.
01:05:08.090 --> 01:05:09.769
So I've always had that mentality.
01:05:10.050 --> 01:05:20.050
Um, no matter if I've worked at, my first job was Kmart in Craig or, um, you know, no, no matter what it was, I was always just thinking about like, how can I make this more efficient?
01:05:20.059 --> 01:05:21.320
How can I solve this problem?
01:05:21.320 --> 01:05:22.369
How can I be better at it?
01:05:22.789 --> 01:05:24.409
Um, is that your advice?
01:05:24.860 --> 01:05:26.710
It would be the advice that I would have.
01:05:26.710 --> 01:05:30.320
And it's, And it is also funny because our daughter just turned 10.
01:05:30.329 --> 01:05:32.929
She had her golden birthday on the 10th of November.
01:05:33.449 --> 01:05:34.409
Oh, congratulations.
01:05:35.059 --> 01:05:35.650
Oh, so fun.
01:05:35.659 --> 01:05:36.019
What's her name?
01:05:36.019 --> 01:05:36.440
It's crazy.
01:05:36.449 --> 01:05:36.929
Briar.
01:05:37.480 --> 01:05:37.880
Briar?
01:05:37.889 --> 01:05:38.280
Briar.
01:05:38.309 --> 01:05:38.599
Mm hmm.
01:05:38.599 --> 01:05:39.010
Briar.
01:05:39.019 --> 01:05:41.070
Um, and so Happy birthday, young Briar.
01:05:42.480 --> 01:05:42.960
Um Like Briarpatch?
01:05:43.639 --> 01:05:44.900
B R I E R?
01:05:44.900 --> 01:05:44.929
B Y?
01:05:44.940 --> 01:05:47.389
No, we actually, it's B R Y E R.
01:05:47.400 --> 01:05:47.590
Okay.
01:05:47.610 --> 01:05:54.440
Do you, did you ever, the briar horses, the little plastic toy horses I grew up with Oh, is that a brand of those?
01:05:54.440 --> 01:05:54.789
It's a brand of those.
01:05:54.789 --> 01:05:55.070
Yeah.
01:05:55.460 --> 01:05:58.099
I've seen those all over, you know, walls and stuff like that.
01:05:58.099 --> 01:06:00.119
They're like the super lifelike ones.
01:06:00.150 --> 01:06:00.429
Uh huh.
01:06:00.431 --> 01:06:00.480
Yeah.
01:06:00.480 --> 01:06:00.530
Yeah.
01:06:00.530 --> 01:06:00.900
Yeah.
01:06:00.969 --> 01:06:01.360
Very cool.
01:06:01.360 --> 01:06:01.630
Okay.
01:06:01.679 --> 01:06:05.250
Um So she has been asking us good questions.
01:06:05.250 --> 01:06:14.159
And actually just last night she was asking us about college and what job and career and, and she just got this little bracelet making kit for her birthday.
01:06:14.159 --> 01:06:15.349
And I think I'm going to make bracelets.
01:06:15.380 --> 01:06:16.559
Mama said, that's awesome.
01:06:16.559 --> 01:06:17.000
Do that.
01:06:17.000 --> 01:06:17.199
You know?
01:06:17.199 --> 01:06:22.650
So I think she, yeah, I think she's got that little bit of a entrepreneur bone in her body for sure.
01:06:23.059 --> 01:06:29.659
Um, but she, she's asking a ton of questions and, and my, my heart for her or for anyone is to.
01:06:30.324 --> 01:06:39.054
Do what ignites you, what, um, what you're passionate about, but also know that there's no such thing as perfect.
01:06:39.074 --> 01:06:44.014
Like there isn't even, again, mental health is passion work for me.
01:06:44.014 --> 01:06:45.844
Like I really believe in mental health.
01:06:45.864 --> 01:06:54.375
I want everybody to be mentally sound and free from their trauma and free from all of these elements that we, that we face day to day.
01:06:54.375 --> 01:06:56.344
I truly want that in the, in my step.
01:06:56.394 --> 01:07:01.380
Living in a home with somebody that you're not, Connected with, happy with, 100%.
01:07:01.389 --> 01:07:06.750
So I am very passionate about it, but, and I love the work we get to do and it still sucks.
01:07:06.920 --> 01:07:11.099
Like, I mean, there's still, there's so many pros and cons and nothing is perfect.
01:07:11.110 --> 01:07:12.309
No job is perfect.
01:07:12.320 --> 01:07:13.369
No marriage is perfect.
01:07:13.400 --> 01:07:14.420
No life is perfect.
01:07:14.809 --> 01:07:23.849
Um, so my, my advice to her or to anybody that's exploring something is yes, do what ignites you, but also know that there's going to be setbacks.
01:07:23.849 --> 01:07:25.840
Know that there's going to be hard.
01:07:26.179 --> 01:07:33.670
Know that, um, It's not going to be perfect and there's going to be pieces of it that you're not going to like, but you're going to have to do anyways.
01:07:34.079 --> 01:07:34.480
Right.
01:07:34.840 --> 01:07:43.059
Um, because I think there's just this, uh, I don't know, maybe entitlement's a strong word, but this idea that, that you can, you can.
01:07:43.684 --> 01:07:43.994
I don't know.
01:07:44.014 --> 01:07:47.605
Just kind of coast into a successful life in the world anymore.
01:07:47.764 --> 01:07:47.974
Yep.
01:07:47.976 --> 01:07:52.125
I think that's a, yeah, I think that's a risk for sure.
01:07:52.605 --> 01:07:55.425
Do you think that AI is a risk for your field?
01:07:55.684 --> 01:07:57.295
You know, that's a great question.
01:07:57.364 --> 01:07:59.505
So let me set the stage just a moment.
01:07:59.514 --> 01:07:59.724
Yeah.
01:07:59.784 --> 01:08:03.554
Um, the other day, one of our members did a presentation on.
01:08:05.005 --> 01:08:13.135
And he was like, well, in this he's like subscribed to this upgrade thing and not a lot, but he's like this, this AI has read 200 million business books.
01:08:14.114 --> 01:08:20.725
Um, and it's going to help me write my marketing plan for 2025 from the role of a growth strategist, not a marketing agency.
01:08:21.475 --> 01:08:26.505
Um, and I would think that that same kind of.
01:08:27.140 --> 01:08:29.119
If I can just talk to chat GPT Yeah.
01:08:29.119 --> 01:08:31.189
And chat can answer all my problems.
01:08:31.279 --> 01:08:31.670
Yeah.
01:08:31.670 --> 01:08:32.390
Is that, I don't know.
01:08:32.390 --> 01:08:38.720
It feels both so impossible and potentially I was like anti AI there for a hot minute.
01:08:38.750 --> 01:08:39.079
Yeah.
01:08:39.380 --> 01:08:40.939
'cause it kind of freaked me out a little bit.
01:08:40.970 --> 01:08:47.149
But, um, but then I, I started to dabble with it and now I absolutely have it and I, I, I do love it.
01:08:47.305 --> 01:08:47.545
Okay.
01:08:47.720 --> 01:08:47.989
Okay.
01:08:48.199 --> 01:08:48.800
Um.
01:08:49.805 --> 01:08:50.984
For what are you using it for?
01:08:51.015 --> 01:08:55.215
Oh, just all the things, all the things, um, content creation, for sure.
01:08:55.225 --> 01:09:00.484
Just helping me, um, come up with the content for, uh, simplifying things or answering things and whatnot.
01:09:00.524 --> 01:09:02.175
Um, but then silly things like.
01:09:02.970 --> 01:09:03.529
What did I do?
01:09:03.789 --> 01:09:09.210
Uh, how, give me some ideas to throw my daughter an awesome golden birthday party.
01:09:09.260 --> 01:09:10.779
And it did, it gave me some great ideas.
01:09:11.840 --> 01:09:12.630
What are some themes?
01:09:12.779 --> 01:09:18.409
What are, uh, just those quick fire answers that I need that are just stirring inside of me that I don't want to sift through Google for?
01:09:18.760 --> 01:09:19.920
I go to chat GPT.
01:09:20.279 --> 01:09:32.154
Um, so I, I think there is a posing threat to a degree, but I, but I also, I just, I know the personal touch is, is invaluable in our business.
01:09:32.164 --> 01:09:35.034
And cause there's, there's already a while before.
01:09:36.114 --> 01:09:40.274
The emotion of human expression is really picked up, I would suppose.
01:09:40.324 --> 01:09:40.875
Right.
01:09:41.194 --> 01:09:44.845
And I think the words is one thing with how the words are transmitted.
01:09:44.944 --> 01:09:50.645
And I think the consumer will always know deep down that it is artificial.
01:09:50.664 --> 01:09:56.314
And we long for God created us for connection truly.
01:09:56.345 --> 01:10:00.114
And, and in depth, inevitably we are created for connection.
01:10:00.125 --> 01:10:01.524
And if I know that.
01:10:01.949 --> 01:10:03.069
This is artificial.
01:10:03.100 --> 01:10:04.850
I'm not getting that fix.
01:10:04.850 --> 01:10:08.069
I'm not, I'm not truly getting that, um, that need met.
01:10:08.560 --> 01:10:19.489
And so I still think that there's going to be a place now there's, there's, there's platforms out there that have been around for a long time, which like texting support and stuff like for, for therapy.
01:10:19.850 --> 01:10:22.640
Um, so sure that, that would probably easily support.
01:10:23.020 --> 01:10:31.000
Replace that maybe, but, um, That kind of support thing, but not real in depth because there's just no relationship and there's no relationship.
01:10:31.000 --> 01:10:31.250
Yeah.
01:10:31.250 --> 01:10:32.260
There's no relationship.
01:10:32.270 --> 01:10:38.550
I was trying to think of what, like, if I had a life coach, we'll just call him, uh, like Kurt coach.
01:10:38.550 --> 01:10:43.409
Like I'm imagining like the Elf on the Shelf dude sitting on my shoulder, like whispering.
01:10:43.680 --> 01:10:50.060
Maybe I got two of them, one the devil and one not, but I would get kind of sick of this.
01:10:50.579 --> 01:10:54.989
artificial creature that obviously doesn't care about me telling me what to do, right?
01:10:55.449 --> 01:10:55.609
Yeah.
01:10:55.610 --> 01:11:01.859
And, and that, that is, that that's detrimental.
01:11:01.890 --> 01:11:04.479
That's not, it won't, it won't scratch that itch.
01:11:04.699 --> 01:11:07.590
You will reduce my success statistics.
01:11:07.590 --> 01:11:08.359
If you do not.
01:11:09.000 --> 01:11:10.800
Uh, go apologize to your wife.
01:11:11.340 --> 01:11:11.569
Yeah.
01:11:12.380 --> 01:11:14.890
But I have used it for some conflict resolution and things.
01:11:14.920 --> 01:11:16.199
Um, it is helpful, but.
01:11:16.340 --> 01:11:17.159
Yeah, it's interesting.
01:11:17.329 --> 01:11:19.569
It's going to be interesting how it unfolds from here.
01:11:19.770 --> 01:11:19.949
Yeah.
01:11:19.949 --> 01:11:30.810
But to be able to cry in front of somebody, to be able to cuss, cry, vent, process, um, to be able to just hold space with somebody eye to eye or, you know, and even if it's virtually too, but, um, that's it.
01:11:30.880 --> 01:11:32.779
I just don't think that you can replace that.
01:11:32.789 --> 01:11:33.699
That's why I mean mental health.
01:11:34.354 --> 01:11:40.364
It's still as prevalent as it is, if not more now than ever before, um, I would argue.
01:11:40.365 --> 01:11:41.317
Mental health care.
01:11:41.317 --> 01:11:41.634
Yeah.
01:11:41.634 --> 01:11:42.585
Mental health care.
01:11:42.585 --> 01:11:44.104
Or awareness of mental health care.
01:11:44.135 --> 01:11:44.704
Mental health care.
01:11:44.765 --> 01:11:48.979
How much do you think it needs to increase to be a healthier world.
01:11:49.510 --> 01:11:52.130
Like, it feels like when I was a little kid, nobody did it.
01:11:52.210 --> 01:11:53.449
At least not in my culture.
01:11:53.460 --> 01:11:54.050
You know?
01:11:54.659 --> 01:11:59.659
And, again, I think, um, Are there places, are there communities that it's overused?
01:12:00.079 --> 01:12:01.590
Are people crutching on it anywhere?
01:12:01.590 --> 01:12:02.949
Have you seen people crutching on it?
01:12:02.951 --> 01:12:14.095
I mean, I haven't with the demographic that we work with in particular, but Um, I just, I, I, I very much believe that our past affects our present and our present affects our future.
01:12:14.095 --> 01:12:14.364
Right.
01:12:14.364 --> 01:12:21.564
And so if we have, um, trauma in our past and we have not dealt with that, it can very detrimentally affect our present and our future.
01:12:21.564 --> 01:12:21.784
Right.
01:12:22.034 --> 01:12:28.854
Uh, we work mainly with higher functioning, you know, uh, we're, we're not working with crisis and, and, and Medicaid billing office.
01:12:28.864 --> 01:12:29.994
No, no.
01:12:29.994 --> 01:12:32.045
And we're not doing inpatient psychosis support.
01:12:32.715 --> 01:12:40.359
We can offer crisis support to workplaces if there is a death of a loved one or, or, or a pandemic or whatever that might be, we can offer that support.
01:12:40.739 --> 01:12:45.850
Um, but we're not the ones that are there to offer this like, um, uh, true inpatient type support.
01:12:45.850 --> 01:12:54.350
So, so we, we're, we're a little different than, than typical, but you're more of like electric elective surgery than a trauma surgeon.
01:12:54.350 --> 01:12:54.529
Yeah.
01:12:54.529 --> 01:12:57.449
And, and our, and our heart is very much preventative.
01:12:57.451 --> 01:13:04.965
Like we would, Again, it's never too late to get mental health support, but if we can start early, you wanna do couples counseling before the, the divorce?
01:13:04.965 --> 01:13:05.534
The murder.
01:13:05.534 --> 01:13:06.045
Suicide.
01:13:06.284 --> 01:13:06.494
Yeah.
01:13:06.585 --> 01:13:07.305
Oh, sorry.
01:13:07.425 --> 01:13:08.055
Not the divorce.
01:13:08.085 --> 01:13:08.385
Okay.
01:13:08.385 --> 01:13:09.435
Both, both.
01:13:10.994 --> 01:13:11.505
a hundred percent.
01:13:11.595 --> 01:13:15.345
The post murder suicide is harder still when the brain is, is traumatized.
01:13:15.345 --> 01:13:17.055
When there's so many of these traumas out there.
01:13:17.654 --> 01:13:22.439
I it, I'm like, do I wanna go down this road or not?
01:13:22.550 --> 01:13:22.840
Yeah.
01:13:23.835 --> 01:13:25.125
So if, um.
01:13:25.425 --> 01:13:27.395
You know, sexual abuse and trauma.
01:13:27.454 --> 01:13:35.975
Um, if a kid was abused all through their childhood, your, your sexual organs are meant to feel good.
01:13:36.045 --> 01:13:36.454
Right.
01:13:36.704 --> 01:13:44.904
And so if I was to, I'm not super strong, but if I was to punch you in the arm right now, you want to, even if you didn't want it to hurt, it would hurt to a degree.
01:13:44.925 --> 01:13:45.185
Right.
01:13:45.574 --> 01:13:50.244
Um, if, if somebody was sexually assaulted, it depends on the situation, of course.
01:13:50.255 --> 01:13:53.050
But, um, It, you know what I mean?
01:13:53.050 --> 01:13:55.949
So there's this, like, they just wanna feel something there.
01:13:56.069 --> 01:13:56.734
Is that where you're trying to go?
01:13:56.835 --> 01:14:03.895
If there, I know this is, this is a tricky, we this is a tricky topic, but, um, I will say this, I close my legs.
01:14:04.935 --> 01:14:15.979
I had, I have, um, there's, there's evidence that if somebody was sexually abused as a kid, that they will be, that they're, that they would be, um, a perpetrator in the future.
01:14:16.829 --> 01:14:32.529
Because of this sexual pleasure that they experienced, unfortunately, as a child, because our sexual organs are meant to feel good, that they will crave that same stimuli, even into adulthood, right?
01:14:32.550 --> 01:14:36.381
And then they will see And even transferring their kind of feelings about that.
01:14:36.381 --> 01:14:36.962
Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
01:14:36.962 --> 01:14:38.789
This is such a hard topic and a morbid topic.
01:14:39.489 --> 01:14:53.109
But, um, Um, if we can support them in that moment, if we can help support them and heal them from that trauma, um, that they experienced, then we can prevent those things from happening in the future.
01:14:53.149 --> 01:14:55.210
I know that's such a morbid example.
01:14:55.220 --> 01:14:56.539
Well, no, but I'm explaining that.
01:14:56.539 --> 01:15:27.095
Well, I'm going back to your neurofeedback thing, like, is that like, cause I, cause I am concerned, frankly, and we could maybe, we'll maybe move this right into the, into politics part of the sphere because I think that's where this brushes off more than anything is the You know the notion, you know, uh, you know, uh, if I introduced you to my friend who was a minor attracted person How would you feel about that He's moving in next door to you.
01:15:27.925 --> 01:15:29.367
My face expression says it all.
01:15:29.367 --> 01:15:45.784
That you can't see, but Like, from a cultural perspective and stuff, like, that's starting to, there's a little, there's some weird stuff going around, you know, and with all the, you know, the transing of the kids, and the furries, and the confusion about what is True.
01:15:45.784 --> 01:15:47.045
What is real?
01:15:47.055 --> 01:15:48.045
What is a woman?
01:15:48.046 --> 01:15:49.994
Am I a racist?
01:15:51.454 --> 01:15:52.345
It's so hard.
01:15:52.555 --> 01:15:53.885
This is so tricky.
01:15:53.885 --> 01:15:54.854
This is so tricky.
01:15:54.854 --> 01:16:01.935
We, we truly honor the person and, and my, my, my stance as a clinician.
01:16:02.569 --> 01:16:04.810
is to honor the client where they're at, right?
01:16:04.840 --> 01:16:12.699
And to, to hear them where they're at and to give them space where they're at and to cause no shame or no harm or anything of the sort and to hear what their story is.
01:16:12.710 --> 01:16:17.239
So I would always listen first and foremost like that.
01:16:17.329 --> 01:16:19.970
And I feel confident that our team would do the same.
01:16:20.659 --> 01:16:46.744
Um, I, I think that if we're not allowed to drink alcohol until we are 21 because our brains are not fully developed, I, I just think that that is something that is important, um, to keep in mind for these kiddos because I'm, yeah, yeah, because I think it's just, um, I think it's just important to give space for kids to, they're, they're, they're figuring out so many things.
01:16:46.744 --> 01:16:49.524
They're, they're little sweet little brains are developing there.
01:16:49.814 --> 01:16:53.324
They, um, are working through so much in school.
01:16:53.324 --> 01:16:55.414
And there's just a lot going on.
01:16:55.414 --> 01:16:57.515
It's intense, always has been intense.
01:16:57.524 --> 01:16:58.494
You know, beautiful brain.
01:16:58.494 --> 01:16:59.385
How do I fit in with this?
01:17:02.119 --> 01:17:02.720
Yeah, yeah.
01:17:02.760 --> 01:17:05.930
And there's, or how do I stand out in this situation?
01:17:05.939 --> 01:17:11.670
Like that's the interesting thing is like when you and I were kids, it was a lot more about fitting in.
01:17:11.710 --> 01:17:12.090
Yeah.
01:17:12.210 --> 01:17:16.130
Uh, and now the cultural change is really let your freak flag fly.
01:17:16.789 --> 01:17:21.090
And if anybody calls you out on it, then they're the bad person, right?
01:17:21.159 --> 01:17:21.380
Yeah.
01:17:21.380 --> 01:17:22.060
I could see that.
01:17:22.149 --> 01:17:26.500
Um, or at least a little bit in some communities anyway, you know, people are trying to be unique.
01:17:27.199 --> 01:17:29.619
Uh, not authentic necessarily, but unique.
01:17:29.810 --> 01:17:30.060
Yeah.
01:17:30.489 --> 01:17:49.590
Um, well, and I imagine it's like, what an intense thing when you're trying to help somebody work through, you know, say molestation or sexual abuse as a, as a young person, especially as a young man, I assume is like, there's the ones that, you know, hurt people, hurt people.
01:17:49.590 --> 01:17:49.859
Right.
01:17:49.860 --> 01:17:50.225
Yes.
01:17:50.225 --> 01:17:50.590
Yeah.
01:17:50.590 --> 01:18:20.175
Well, and a lot more young females are the victims of abuse and what, how does that They always say that, uh, you know, abused people abuse people, but what do, how does that manifest, this is getting a little intense, but how does that manifest for women, um, you know, um, in their adulthood years or whatever, in comparison, I think it's almost the opposite from, and I I'm only speaking from the handful of clients that I've worked with that have had this experience, your personal experience.
01:18:20.204 --> 01:18:20.494
Yeah.
01:18:20.555 --> 01:18:20.835
Yeah.
01:18:20.835 --> 01:18:21.215
Yeah.
01:18:22.420 --> 01:18:23.369
So I don't know studies.
01:18:23.369 --> 01:18:34.380
I don't know the research behind it, but I would almost say it was opposite that they shut down that part of their life so significantly that it wildly impacts their marriage and their intimacy and their marriage.
01:18:35.369 --> 01:18:40.109
And so I would see that more of a, of a prevalent, uh, outcome.
01:18:40.119 --> 01:18:46.380
Or, I've had a conversation with a, with a couple, few different lesbians because I'm a curious guy about different things.
01:18:47.039 --> 01:18:48.850
And to me, it's an interesting thing.
01:18:48.850 --> 01:18:50.460
And I wonder what your feedback would be.
01:18:51.180 --> 01:18:59.060
How many lesbians, like, knew they loved girls from the time they were 9 or 11 or something like that?
01:18:59.180 --> 01:19:00.020
And how many?
01:19:00.430 --> 01:19:06.020
had terrible experiences with boys or men and decided that this is just a lot safer.
01:19:06.159 --> 01:19:06.439
Sure.
01:19:06.470 --> 01:19:07.510
I mean, that's a great question.
01:19:08.199 --> 01:19:09.939
I almost feel like it's kind of split.
01:19:10.319 --> 01:19:13.890
Among the traditional, you know, I like girls kind of lesbians.
01:19:13.909 --> 01:19:15.680
I feel like it's almost a split decision.
01:19:15.680 --> 01:19:16.729
Like, is that what you heard?
01:19:17.109 --> 01:19:19.189
That's what I, that's what I've heard in my conversations.
01:19:19.189 --> 01:19:19.319
Yeah.
01:19:19.319 --> 01:19:29.680
I've definitely met, I've met at least two that have said it's kind of more a rejection of being with men than it is a super, you don't want to be alone.
01:19:29.689 --> 01:19:33.029
Nobody wants to really be alone except for a small handful of people.
01:19:33.710 --> 01:19:38.930
And if you don't, if you can't trust boys, then here's my thing, I guess.
01:19:38.930 --> 01:19:39.229
Right.
01:19:39.250 --> 01:19:39.500
Well, no.
01:19:39.914 --> 01:19:43.604
If, and I don't know, but again, it goes back to trauma, right?
01:19:43.654 --> 01:19:56.625
If, and, and no matter, no matter what that looks like, no matter if it's, um, gay, straight, whatever it is, if, if we have sexual trauma, it will show up in our sexual relations, right?
01:19:56.645 --> 01:19:59.484
Like, I mean, it just is, that's, that's the brain.
01:19:59.625 --> 01:20:01.694
can't will yourself out of that.
01:20:01.694 --> 01:20:07.840
I'm talking about it as a, a, a, a, Emotionally or physically cold physiological, right?
01:20:07.850 --> 01:20:08.340
Yeah, right.
01:20:08.390 --> 01:20:25.270
Yeah, but also just be either way What else you want to talk about in the politics kind of fear you want to brush against your business more in the politics You know are I just I really I I truly I just want to Love the people where they're at.
01:20:25.289 --> 01:20:26.500
I mean, that's really what we do.
01:20:26.500 --> 01:20:31.529
We don't, we take a stance of like, I don't want to, I don't, I don't post happy mother's day posts.
01:20:31.550 --> 01:20:33.279
I don't post happy father's day posts.
01:20:33.279 --> 01:20:40.747
I don't post any of that kind of stuff on my social media or our email listing or anything of that sort, because I don't know what there's triggers here.
01:20:40.747 --> 01:20:41.323
There's triggers.
01:20:41.323 --> 01:20:42.109
There may be.
01:20:42.119 --> 01:20:42.819
Yeah, exactly.
01:20:42.819 --> 01:20:43.579
There's triggers here.
01:20:43.579 --> 01:20:44.329
There's triggers there.
01:20:44.539 --> 01:20:48.060
I just, I really, yeah, I really just want to.
01:20:48.479 --> 01:20:55.960
Um, I have my own beliefs and I keep them private because it's not my job to bestow my own beliefs on my clients.
01:20:55.970 --> 01:20:59.819
And if I ever, and I have heard this, that, um, a client.
01:21:00.460 --> 01:21:09.260
Well, uh, a person came up to me and said, well, I tried therapy once and, and I sat down with my therapist and, and the first sentence out of their mouth was, who did you vote for?
01:21:09.789 --> 01:21:10.680
And I said, what?
01:21:10.819 --> 01:21:12.630
That's so inappropriate.
01:21:12.640 --> 01:21:13.840
That's so not okay.
01:21:13.840 --> 01:21:15.350
That's just not safe.
01:21:15.380 --> 01:21:15.859
Right?
01:21:15.890 --> 01:21:16.239
Right.
01:21:16.300 --> 01:21:17.640
Because we can't assume anything.
01:21:17.659 --> 01:21:19.029
We cannot assume anything.
01:21:19.409 --> 01:21:23.619
And so I just, I really, I really get pretty worked up about that.
01:21:23.619 --> 01:21:29.239
I just, I want to create a safe place for everyone to come into my doors and.
01:21:29.609 --> 01:21:35.430
To be heard and, and their story to be heard in their story, to be validated and to be able to work through whatever they are going through.
01:21:35.430 --> 01:21:35.729
Yeah.
01:21:35.850 --> 01:21:35.970
Yeah.
01:21:35.970 --> 01:21:36.479
Whatever that person is.
01:21:36.489 --> 01:21:38.220
I appreciate that and respect that very much.
01:21:38.270 --> 01:21:40.210
And, uh, this is not a counseling session.
01:21:40.210 --> 01:21:41.079
So who did you vote for?
01:21:43.149 --> 01:21:46.471
I'm just going to sit over here and drink my glass of wine.
01:21:46.471 --> 01:21:46.796
Right.
01:21:46.796 --> 01:21:47.771
You're from Craig.
01:21:47.771 --> 01:21:48.747
You ride horses.
01:21:48.747 --> 01:21:50.047
You voted for Trump.
01:21:50.047 --> 01:21:51.349
You don't know that.
01:21:51.349 --> 01:21:52.649
No, but I do.
01:21:52.649 --> 01:21:54.529
I voted for Trump for the first time.
01:21:55.039 --> 01:21:55.460
Really?
01:21:55.500 --> 01:21:55.920
Yeah, yeah.
01:21:55.920 --> 01:21:56.869
First time I've voted mainstream.
01:21:56.880 --> 01:21:57.479
What trained you?
01:21:58.329 --> 01:22:06.600
You know, the biggest thing was the, the combination of lawfare, um, and non democratic politics.
01:22:07.340 --> 01:22:10.930
Democratic party, you know, they blackballed Kennedy out of the party.
01:22:10.930 --> 01:22:13.189
He would have been a major upgrade over Biden.
01:22:13.710 --> 01:22:16.390
I might've voted for Kennedy over Trump if it worked out that way.
01:22:17.029 --> 01:22:23.869
But then the, and they, they blackballed Bernie before that a time or two, you know, they're just not the party of democracy lately.
01:22:23.869 --> 01:22:35.119
They're the party of the somebody's pulling the strings behind a boot and they hid that Biden was a retard for four years, basically, you know, so yeah, all those things.
01:22:35.784 --> 01:22:45.444
Um, you know, nobody was fooling me in 2020 about Biden being sharp as a tack and nobody was fooling me in 2021 or 2022 or anything else, but they just, we just didn't see him.
01:22:45.444 --> 01:22:51.965
So who'd been making, and now they're fricking launching missiles into Ukraine or into Russia today.
01:22:52.520 --> 01:22:58.510
So, so yes, I've never been a fan, I've never been a bigger fan of the Republican Party than I am at right now.
01:22:58.539 --> 01:22:58.939
Really?
01:22:59.340 --> 01:23:00.250
That's pretty fascinating.
01:23:00.399 --> 01:23:00.810
Yeah.
01:23:00.960 --> 01:23:01.840
I think it's interesting.
01:23:01.859 --> 01:23:03.439
I think it's, I think it's fascinating.
01:23:03.439 --> 01:23:15.914
I think it's, um, you know, if, uh, It would be, I think it would be an interesting topic to bring up with more people, but I don't like confrontation and so I don't like to talk politics.
01:23:15.914 --> 01:23:18.104
I really don't, I just really don't, I don't like it.
01:23:18.375 --> 01:23:21.395
Um, my husband can, it's really beautiful.
01:23:21.395 --> 01:23:29.829
His gift of being able to like, um, Not argue, but debate with people and not be emotionally attached to it.
01:23:29.829 --> 01:23:30.789
It's amazing.
01:23:30.800 --> 01:23:34.149
It's a, it's such a incredible quality.
01:23:35.659 --> 01:23:36.250
I think so.
01:23:36.250 --> 01:23:38.060
I think you guys would get along for a while.
01:23:38.060 --> 01:23:38.520
We do.
01:23:38.520 --> 01:23:39.260
We've talked a few times.
01:23:40.279 --> 01:23:42.270
Um, and I, I just don't have that.
01:23:42.319 --> 01:23:43.180
I don't have that gift.
01:23:43.180 --> 01:23:47.520
And so I usually, I usually choose not to go there with a lot of people.
01:23:47.520 --> 01:23:47.630
And.
01:23:48.114 --> 01:23:50.305
And again, I just want to honor everybody where they're at.
01:23:50.345 --> 01:23:53.364
And so I usually choose just to like, but you voted for Trump.
01:23:54.935 --> 01:23:56.295
Whatever you totally did.
01:23:57.265 --> 01:24:06.755
I'm going to show you a, like, actually called it the scariest graph that I had seen in a while on Twitter.
01:24:06.814 --> 01:24:08.835
And I'm going to see if I can find it here.
01:24:08.864 --> 01:24:10.685
Is it clown rule?
01:24:10.755 --> 01:24:11.375
I think it is.
01:24:11.376 --> 01:24:16.505
Um, so the graph is the, the political disparity.
01:24:17.189 --> 01:24:26.970
Between 21 to 29 year old men and women in South Korea, Germany, UK, and the US.
01:24:26.970 --> 01:24:27.425
Woah.
01:24:28.125 --> 01:24:33.854
Basically, the men are getting more and more conservative in that age demographic and the women are getting more and more liberal.
01:24:33.954 --> 01:24:34.645
Oh, interesting.
01:24:34.694 --> 01:24:44.225
Oh, to a tremendous, like, like South Korea might literally die for lack of procreation in the next two generations or one generation.
01:24:44.375 --> 01:24:45.314
No, that's fascinating.
01:24:45.375 --> 01:24:49.345
Like, because the women are all too liberal and they don't want to have no fucking babies.
01:24:49.345 --> 01:24:49.994
They got a career.
01:24:49.994 --> 01:24:52.595
They don't want to have any childcare expenses, blah, blah, blah.
01:24:54.364 --> 01:24:55.364
So let's talk about that.
01:24:55.365 --> 01:24:55.430
Okay.
01:24:56.520 --> 01:24:57.800
Like, how did that happen?
01:24:58.300 --> 01:25:00.850
You're an expert on psychology, I would say.
01:25:00.890 --> 01:25:03.229
And don't claim to be an expert.
01:25:03.289 --> 01:25:10.489
I, um, I, you know, I don't know, again, I, I really, I, I do specialize in trauma.
01:25:10.489 --> 01:25:17.520
I don't necessarily have, well, but there's neuroplasticity, yes, a hundred percent.
01:25:17.520 --> 01:25:20.819
And it can be a healthy neuroplasticity where we can.
01:25:21.039 --> 01:25:23.569
heal our brains from TBIs and traumas.
01:25:23.869 --> 01:25:35.329
Um, and it can be a negative where we become so, um, automated and, and whatever we're seeing on Instagram, like our, our, our intake, whatever it is that we're in taking day to day can change our brainwiring.
01:25:35.329 --> 01:25:43.329
I wonder if I should have a segment on here of the last, uh, like meme or I save a bookmark, certain videos and stuff.
01:25:43.369 --> 01:25:46.210
Uh, I could, I could be a little clear thing.
01:25:50.204 --> 01:25:55.225
At one of my shows, 22 little people showed up with the picket signs.
01:25:56.465 --> 01:25:58.305
They weren't picket signs, they were 3x5 cards.
01:25:58.305 --> 01:25:59.615
But, they were there.
01:25:59.615 --> 01:26:02.890
We're gonna finish this one out, you're gonna enjoy this.
01:26:02.890 --> 01:26:06.493
This is the first, like, I might get sued or copyrighted.
01:26:06.493 --> 01:26:07.149
We'll see.
01:26:07.149 --> 01:26:07.805
We'll see.
01:26:07.805 --> 01:26:11.734
It's the exact same as calling a black person the n word.
01:26:12.015 --> 01:26:17.154
And I was like, midget, please.
01:26:17.154 --> 01:26:19.722
Made you laugh.
01:26:19.722 --> 01:26:22.574
His audience was two black fellows, by the way.
01:26:22.744 --> 01:26:23.704
Oh, funny.
01:26:23.925 --> 01:26:26.664
Is that, is that what your comedy, your standup's going to be like?
01:26:26.704 --> 01:26:27.114
Maybe.
01:26:28.585 --> 01:26:29.335
Wildly offensive.
01:26:30.765 --> 01:26:42.534
Not wildly offensive, right up to the borderline of political correctness, which I would say the borderline, the, the Occam's razor, the, the, whatever that term is, it's not Occam's razor.
01:26:42.534 --> 01:26:56.414
It's uh, the Overton window, like depending on your demographic, what is politically correct to say has expanded quite a bit in the last, I guess, probably since Elon bought Twitter or some shit.
01:26:56.414 --> 01:26:56.845
I don't know.
01:26:57.460 --> 01:27:01.310
Um, what's your thoughts in that space of, of just freedom of speech?
01:27:01.770 --> 01:27:12.569
Because that's another reason that I actually wouldn't have voted Democrat for sure is they were like, we didn't, you know, we can't control what people think if we can't control the information they say online.
01:27:12.579 --> 01:27:16.569
It's like, well, I mean, I don't, yeah, I don't, yeah, exactly.
01:27:16.630 --> 01:27:32.279
Um, Yeah, I mean, again, it's just such a different world that I live in because I live in an office with a one, one client at a time where they're safe to say whatever they want.
01:27:32.340 --> 01:27:37.050
And in fact, I want them, I want them to say whatever it is they want.
01:27:37.069 --> 01:27:47.435
And when I go to my therapist, I, I make sure that I vet whoever my therapist is to, to be dang comfortable with saying what I believe.
01:27:47.654 --> 01:27:48.055
And.
01:27:48.385 --> 01:27:49.645
Being able to play my cards.
01:27:49.645 --> 01:27:50.835
And you want to be in that safe place.
01:27:51.074 --> 01:27:52.354
And so do I in this podcast.
01:27:52.635 --> 01:27:53.284
Yeah, totally.
01:27:53.284 --> 01:27:54.074
I appreciate that.
01:27:54.074 --> 01:27:56.875
I think that's a pretty great, but I know you voted for Trump.
01:28:01.414 --> 01:28:02.935
Let's talk about your family a little more.
01:28:03.465 --> 01:28:07.895
Um, we did this a little bit, but I don't know that my format was quite as refined.
01:28:08.564 --> 01:28:10.965
What's, uh, what's your favorite thing about Tyler?
01:28:11.064 --> 01:28:11.835
Oh man.
01:28:12.324 --> 01:28:17.145
Uh, his ability to, um, Vote for Trump in a minute.
01:28:17.444 --> 01:28:18.564
Love me.
01:28:18.645 --> 01:28:18.965
Just kidding.
01:28:20.935 --> 01:28:24.125
He, he grounds me in such a beautiful way.
01:28:24.154 --> 01:28:31.515
Like it's, it's very much a good yang, yang kind of, you know, balance that we have because I am the visionary.
01:28:31.515 --> 01:28:31.989
I am the guide.
01:28:32.060 --> 01:28:35.399
Goal getter, the, the go getter and the goal setter.
01:28:35.689 --> 01:28:37.930
Um, I'm, I, I'm a lot.
01:28:38.359 --> 01:28:38.609
Yeah.
01:28:38.680 --> 01:28:38.859
Yeah.
01:28:38.859 --> 01:28:38.970
Yeah.
01:28:39.180 --> 01:28:39.920
No, I have no doubt.
01:28:40.380 --> 01:28:41.050
I am a lot.
01:28:41.649 --> 01:28:45.229
And so I'm always thinking about what do we need to do and what do we need to accomplish?
01:28:45.250 --> 01:28:48.510
And he's, he's the one that's just like, he executes a lot of that.
01:28:48.760 --> 01:28:55.119
He executes, but he's also the one that lets me like be present and, and stand where my feet are and be where my feet are.
01:28:55.140 --> 01:28:55.430
Right.
01:28:55.725 --> 01:29:02.914
And so he brings me back to reality to a degree and just take your socks off and just go put your feet in the dirt for a minute.
01:29:02.914 --> 01:29:03.135
Yeah.
01:29:03.135 --> 01:29:03.136
Yeah.
01:29:03.136 --> 01:29:09.545
And I always, I always said, and I think I said this in the first one, I'm sure, because it's always been my answer is, is like, I can be a hundred percent me.
01:29:09.595 --> 01:29:11.055
I can, I can cry.
01:29:11.064 --> 01:29:11.614
I can cuss.
01:29:11.614 --> 01:29:16.984
I can, I can just let it all out because there is such a face of a therapist that we do not get to have opinion.
01:29:16.984 --> 01:29:19.204
We do not get to share our own thoughts and beliefs.
01:29:19.204 --> 01:29:19.444
Like.
01:29:19.740 --> 01:29:22.140
And as a business owner, right?
01:29:22.149 --> 01:29:23.439
Like we don't get celebrated.
01:29:23.439 --> 01:29:27.250
We don't get, um, we don't get asked, how are you doing?
01:29:27.680 --> 01:29:29.050
Like we don't get a lot of that.
01:29:29.050 --> 01:29:30.670
And so he's, he's my rock and all of it.
01:29:31.659 --> 01:29:33.869
Well, and you can't just tell your employees, you know what?
01:29:33.939 --> 01:29:36.079
I'm thinking about shutting this whole fucking thing down.
01:29:36.119 --> 01:29:45.310
I'm sick of people like not showing up or overstating their abilities and whatever, because it is like, it's a real thing.
01:29:45.430 --> 01:29:45.975
It's tough.
01:29:46.425 --> 01:30:00.170
To accept that mantle of responsibility, you know, and underappreciated the world would suck if Everybody was either a part of a big company or a solopreneur because like solo businesses can barely do anything.
01:30:00.180 --> 01:30:01.159
They just kind of suck.
01:30:01.159 --> 01:30:02.710
They can't follow up properly.
01:30:02.710 --> 01:30:04.939
They can't build any systems, you know, whatever.
01:30:05.619 --> 01:30:07.229
And big companies just kind of suck.
01:30:07.760 --> 01:30:11.529
I mean there's, yeah, small companies create jobs, big companies buy small companies.
01:30:11.779 --> 01:30:11.859
Yeah.
01:30:11.909 --> 01:30:19.939
And just like I said, there's no such thing as perfect and every, it, there's cons to being your own business owner and.
01:30:20.250 --> 01:30:24.479
This, there's cons to being, for working with people, there's pros for working for someone else.
01:30:24.510 --> 01:30:26.970
I mean, it's, it's just, there's no such thing as perfect.
01:30:27.000 --> 01:30:29.050
So, it's, it's, you know, you gotta choose your fate.
01:30:29.090 --> 01:30:36.034
Well, and, my dad always, uh, uh, jokes about, uh, I forget who I use this expression about, but, you know, Oh, it was Pat Stryker.
01:30:36.034 --> 01:30:43.824
Somebody asked me the other day if I'd ever had Pat Stryker, cause I, I've got Curt Richardson coming out, super excited about, um, but they were like, have you ever had Pat Stryker on?
01:30:43.824 --> 01:30:45.854
And I was like, well, no.
01:30:45.904 --> 01:30:48.744
And like, she's not really qualified.
01:30:48.744 --> 01:30:50.515
Like she got her money the old fashioned way.
01:30:50.534 --> 01:30:51.385
She inherited it.
01:30:51.925 --> 01:30:54.135
Like she didn't create any of the wealth that she has.
01:30:54.145 --> 01:30:55.104
She's been spending it.
01:30:55.614 --> 01:30:56.314
God bless her.
01:30:56.425 --> 01:30:56.704
Yeah.
01:30:56.725 --> 01:30:57.164
Thank you.
01:30:57.175 --> 01:30:57.664
Doing great things.
01:30:57.675 --> 01:30:58.654
You know, doing great things.
01:30:58.654 --> 01:30:58.925
Yeah.
01:30:59.484 --> 01:31:02.354
But she's not, she's not the kind of people I talk to really.
01:31:02.385 --> 01:31:02.465
Yeah.
01:31:02.465 --> 01:31:03.425
I'm a local experience.
01:31:03.465 --> 01:31:03.805
Yeah.
01:31:03.875 --> 01:31:07.135
Although I would, Pat, if you're listening to this, I totally would find space for you.
01:31:07.136 --> 01:31:07.975
Come on in.
01:31:07.975 --> 01:31:09.534
You can bring a handler or whatever.
01:31:09.604 --> 01:31:10.164
I'm cool.
01:31:10.166 --> 01:31:11.195
Absolutely.
01:31:11.195 --> 01:31:16.545
We could have, I'll even go up to mid, mid to upper.
01:31:16.654 --> 01:31:20.295
mid shelf for our wine or bourbon selection.
01:31:21.954 --> 01:31:23.545
So let's talk about your kids a little bit.
01:31:23.574 --> 01:31:23.744
Yeah.
01:31:23.805 --> 01:31:26.984
Your girls, um, your 10 year old.
01:31:26.994 --> 01:31:27.935
10s and almost six.
01:31:27.935 --> 01:31:28.175
Yep.
01:31:28.185 --> 01:31:29.204
Briar in Bristol.
01:31:29.255 --> 01:31:35.034
Bristol, Bristol, named after the town in England or just a nice B with the Briar?
01:31:35.425 --> 01:31:35.715
Yep.
01:31:35.845 --> 01:31:37.734
There's not another kind of plastic horse.
01:31:37.805 --> 01:31:38.435
No, no.
01:31:38.444 --> 01:31:41.310
Okay, that's good.
01:31:41.659 --> 01:31:44.149
I don't know if we had the one word description for kids back then.
01:31:44.149 --> 01:31:44.979
Oh gosh, no.
01:31:45.409 --> 01:31:46.060
Probably not.
01:31:46.079 --> 01:31:54.020
So, we now do a one word description for your children, and you can elaborate, but uh, what would you put that on Briar if you had to boil it?
01:31:54.029 --> 01:32:04.239
Um, Briar, like, kind comes up, but that's such a generic word, so I'll have to, yeah, and there's so much more to her, but um.
01:32:04.579 --> 01:32:05.050
But she is.
01:32:05.060 --> 01:32:06.880
She just has a huge heart.
01:32:06.890 --> 01:32:13.550
She really genuinely cares for people and has, has, uh, the most beautiful big feelings.
01:32:14.140 --> 01:32:14.409
Yeah.
01:32:14.989 --> 01:32:18.577
Well, it sounds like a lot of curiosity about how the world works as well at that age.
01:32:18.577 --> 01:32:18.833
Yeah.
01:32:18.833 --> 01:32:19.359
Very curious.
01:32:19.479 --> 01:32:24.595
Very, like, Um, tuned in, tuned in for sure.
01:32:24.595 --> 01:32:27.975
And she's, yeah, she's, she's definitely a caretaker for sure.
01:32:27.975 --> 01:32:30.185
She is the world's best big sister.
01:32:30.185 --> 01:32:38.704
Like I, I, I, and I know that's, I'm biased of course, but her sister's like, whatever, I mean, my sisters and I, we got in for it.
01:32:38.854 --> 01:32:42.435
fights, like, whew, it was, it was bad.
01:32:42.595 --> 01:32:42.954
Right.
01:32:42.956 --> 01:32:53.444
And, and never in the, I mean, they're 10 and six, so I'm going to knock on some wood right now, but never have I seen that like either one of them have raged to one another.
01:32:53.625 --> 01:32:59.115
Like I've never seen them swinging a hand or really scream like in a real violent way or whatever.
01:32:59.115 --> 01:33:01.675
So, and I think that's a huge part of.
01:33:01.880 --> 01:33:07.640
Briar and how she's just been such a kind and supportive and caretaker type older sister.
01:33:07.640 --> 01:33:11.752
It's just, she holds that space so beautifully.
01:33:11.752 --> 01:33:16.670
Uh, I don't, yeah, yes.
01:33:16.750 --> 01:33:21.779
And then, um, Bristol would be, we lovingly call her Bristol the pistol.
01:33:21.840 --> 01:33:22.989
So the word is pistol.
01:33:23.010 --> 01:33:29.220
I mean, she's just a spitfire, which is really funny that you think that because yeah.
01:33:29.614 --> 01:33:37.244
family would say that briar gets it from me and bristol gets it from tyler yeah really um But bristol's more fiery.
01:33:37.255 --> 01:33:44.465
She's uh, she she wakes up and she is a hundred miles an hour And ready to take on the world.
01:33:44.505 --> 01:33:49.944
I mean she's so singing at the top of her lungs, just loving life.
01:33:49.984 --> 01:33:51.395
Briar takes a little bit.
01:33:51.404 --> 01:33:52.835
That's, she definitely gets that from her dad.
01:33:52.835 --> 01:33:54.465
Bristol gets that from, for me.
01:33:55.095 --> 01:33:55.895
You're a shot of the cannon.
01:33:55.935 --> 01:33:56.654
I am.
01:33:56.654 --> 01:33:57.784
I'm ready to rock.
01:33:57.795 --> 01:33:59.045
I'm ready to rock and roll.
01:33:59.055 --> 01:33:59.875
Like I stand up.
01:34:00.505 --> 01:34:00.965
All right.
01:34:00.984 --> 01:34:01.335
All right.
01:34:01.414 --> 01:34:02.268
Let's do this.
01:34:02.268 --> 01:34:02.755
What should I do?
01:34:02.755 --> 01:34:04.814
Yeah, I get, I get excited for sure.
01:34:05.194 --> 01:34:05.864
Um, yeah.
01:34:05.864 --> 01:34:08.845
And then Bristol, she is, she's definitely more of the pistol for sure.
01:34:09.234 --> 01:34:12.244
Um, But again, she's got a tender heart too.
01:34:12.295 --> 01:34:15.875
Uh, and it's funny because Briar was definitely more of the adrenaline junkie.
01:34:15.875 --> 01:34:17.024
So it's completely opposite.
01:34:17.034 --> 01:34:20.244
She was more of the adrenaline junkie as a little kid as when she was younger.
01:34:20.475 --> 01:34:23.625
And then Bristol's a little bit more timid, which I would have thought the complete opposite.
01:34:24.194 --> 01:34:28.885
Um, but they both love and are passionate about the rodeo scene and they go.
01:34:28.895 --> 01:34:30.034
Are they both barrel racing?
01:34:30.034 --> 01:34:30.234
Yeah.
01:34:30.234 --> 01:34:32.024
Barrels and pole bending and goat tying.
01:34:32.024 --> 01:34:32.465
Okay.
01:34:33.055 --> 01:34:35.595
Flag racing and all the cute little things for sure.
01:34:35.805 --> 01:34:38.585
You must be a very minority in Northern Colorado.
01:34:38.814 --> 01:34:39.305
How so?
01:34:39.314 --> 01:34:39.824
Rodeo?
01:34:39.914 --> 01:34:40.354
Yeah.
01:34:40.645 --> 01:34:41.604
No, I mean it's Oh, it's a big community?
01:34:41.654 --> 01:34:42.645
It's a huge community.
01:34:42.715 --> 01:34:42.765
Oh, really?
01:34:42.765 --> 01:34:42.795
Okay.
01:34:42.824 --> 01:34:47.225
And we live down in Texas, and I thought We live down in, like, the San Antonio area.
01:34:47.635 --> 01:34:51.159
Um, and I thought that would be We were it was very different.
01:34:51.409 --> 01:35:09.855
Yeah, there wasn't hardly anyone in that area that well and we weren't in it Weren't in it because we were so broke, but right Yeah, it is a huge community up here and it is an awesome community Way to keep a little bit of country in their experience and your experience.
01:35:09.855 --> 01:35:13.604
Yep We haven't We haven't talked about faith yet in this conversation.
01:35:14.005 --> 01:35:19.725
Again, you'll be scared to share too much, but you did share in our first conversation that you were raised Christian ish.
01:35:20.274 --> 01:35:21.095
Well, no.
01:35:21.574 --> 01:35:22.324
Not raised that way.
01:35:22.364 --> 01:35:22.654
Nope.
01:35:22.654 --> 01:35:23.585
Not raised that way.
01:35:23.645 --> 01:35:24.555
Raised indifferent.
01:35:24.625 --> 01:35:24.864
Okay.
01:35:25.034 --> 01:35:26.354
Just, you know, nothing.
01:35:26.645 --> 01:35:26.755
Okay.
01:35:26.755 --> 01:35:28.085
It wasn't one way or the other.
01:35:28.145 --> 01:35:33.675
Um, and then come to, come to grow my faith in Christianity.
01:35:33.715 --> 01:35:36.935
Um, Uh, go to Northern Colorado Cowboy Church.
01:35:37.354 --> 01:35:38.005
So that's fitting.
01:35:38.345 --> 01:35:40.414
Um, but it's just a great space to be able to be.
01:35:40.414 --> 01:35:43.354
Is that the one right by the, I took 34?
01:35:43.414 --> 01:35:45.125
On, uh, there's a cowboy church there.
01:35:45.265 --> 01:35:45.574
Okay.
01:35:45.614 --> 01:35:45.895
Yeah.
01:35:45.925 --> 01:35:46.194
Yep.
01:35:46.515 --> 01:35:48.845
Um, Lucerne is, oh, it's a different one.
01:35:48.875 --> 01:35:49.085
Yeah.
01:35:49.085 --> 01:35:49.395
Okay.
01:35:49.454 --> 01:35:49.734
Yeah.
01:35:49.774 --> 01:35:51.475
There's a cowboy church right there.
01:35:51.515 --> 01:35:54.064
Kind of on the way up Estes Park Canyon.
01:35:54.154 --> 01:35:54.675
Oh yeah.
01:35:54.704 --> 01:35:54.925
Nope.
01:35:54.925 --> 01:35:55.274
Not us.
01:35:55.345 --> 01:35:55.625
Okay.
01:35:55.845 --> 01:35:56.505
Totally unrelated.
01:35:56.734 --> 01:35:59.954
I think, yeah, nope, nothing to do with us, but, uh, yeah.
01:35:59.954 --> 01:36:03.314
And so, so just being able to, to be part of that.
01:36:03.314 --> 01:36:04.595
And again, when.
01:36:05.250 --> 01:36:10.159
When I was exploring this idea of like, man, is there something more?
01:36:10.159 --> 01:36:10.710
Is there not?
01:36:11.000 --> 01:36:12.810
You know, I was just, I wasn't sure what was going on.
01:36:13.439 --> 01:36:17.569
I was, um, Gosh, we, we had just gotten married, I believe.
01:36:17.569 --> 01:36:20.970
So 20, uh, what, when did I get married?
01:36:20.989 --> 01:36:22.510
24, I think, 24.
01:36:22.590 --> 01:36:22.859
I know.
01:36:22.859 --> 01:36:23.109
Right.
01:36:23.140 --> 01:36:24.020
Curtis, you don't know that?
01:36:24.039 --> 01:36:24.289
I don't know.
01:36:24.569 --> 01:36:26.539
We went down to Oklahoma or Texas or something.
01:36:26.670 --> 01:36:26.960
Yeah.
01:36:27.380 --> 01:36:27.899
Uh, yeah.
01:36:27.899 --> 01:36:30.859
So it was around like that, like mid twenties is when I started to just.
01:36:31.225 --> 01:36:41.564
And Tyler was from more faithful background or not even him either he was he had there was conversation in his household Um, yep, but not necessarily participation necessarily exactly.
01:36:41.664 --> 01:36:43.414
Okay, so you guys explored together?
01:36:43.425 --> 01:36:47.475
Yeah Yeah in some ways was somebody the leader in that conversation at the time?
01:36:47.475 --> 01:36:52.439
I think more so me um Because again, I'm, I'm the doer.
01:36:52.439 --> 01:36:55.510
I'm not the one that's like, let's go do things.
01:36:55.510 --> 01:36:57.670
And why don't we see what this is about?
01:36:57.739 --> 01:37:04.960
Um, and, and I, at that age, I was very much longing for community and connection and support and just.
01:37:05.789 --> 01:37:07.319
like mindedness and whatnot.
01:37:07.340 --> 01:37:09.539
I was just really craving connection.
01:37:09.810 --> 01:37:14.015
Um, because again, even though you were in college and things like that had been recently.
01:37:14.015 --> 01:37:15.670
I was out of that by then.
01:37:15.680 --> 01:37:19.930
And then we moved back to Colorado and I was surrounded by him and his family.
01:37:19.930 --> 01:37:23.279
And I didn't have my family with me and, and, and I had a newborn and.
01:37:24.085 --> 01:37:25.335
There's a lot of transition there.
01:37:25.335 --> 01:37:33.914
So, so that's really what led me to this idea of, I knew a handful of people from the rodeo world that were going to this church and I said, well, we could try.
01:37:34.015 --> 01:37:34.925
I mean, that'd be kind of neat.
01:37:34.925 --> 01:37:42.095
And, um, and then that's when we really started to exercise that muscle and, and then grow our faith over time.
01:37:42.095 --> 01:37:45.055
And, and now, um, and now, yeah, we, we go.
01:37:45.574 --> 01:37:48.204
Your kids vibe with it and stuff, Sunday school.
01:37:48.645 --> 01:37:48.814
Yep.
01:37:48.824 --> 01:37:51.725
They go to like a rodeo camp every summer.
01:37:51.725 --> 01:38:02.975
And, um, Go back to the kid's church and I'm assuming that it's like totally non denominational and probably kind of a What kind of an open for anybody to come and Yes.
01:38:03.034 --> 01:38:07.234
Engage and be a part of the community, kind of, uh, from a doctrinal level, whatnot.
01:38:07.234 --> 01:38:08.810
Super welcoming, super comfortable.
01:38:09.189 --> 01:38:14.435
Um, and that's what I was attracted to because again, I knew, I knew nothing going in.
01:38:14.435 --> 01:38:20.045
So I wanted a safe space to be able to be myself and to ask questions and to lean into something that was new and different.
01:38:20.045 --> 01:38:20.046
Yeah.
01:38:20.255 --> 01:38:20.314
Yeah.
01:38:21.470 --> 01:38:25.060
Yeah, it definitely fulfilled it and just continued to grow it.
01:38:25.090 --> 01:38:35.729
Um, and then just started to listen into more and, and be influenced if you will, by more business women, um, especially women, uh, but the faith based business women.
01:38:35.750 --> 01:38:38.029
Um, Like podcasts or things like that?
01:38:38.029 --> 01:38:39.020
Like Christie, right.
01:38:39.029 --> 01:38:40.720
Uh, she was a big influence.
01:38:40.720 --> 01:38:48.000
She had that better business, um, boutique, I believe is what it was called, but this book, and I still have the book where I wrote out all my goals for IOMI.
01:38:48.000 --> 01:38:50.149
And it was just, it wasn't even an idea yet.
01:38:50.159 --> 01:38:52.609
And I had used that book to really help me formulate it.
01:38:52.609 --> 01:38:57.350
And it was just a lot about like your faith behind the purpose of what you do.
01:38:57.760 --> 01:38:59.289
Um, so, so yeah.
01:38:59.489 --> 01:39:03.020
Can I ask you a question around like local think tank has always, yeah.
01:39:03.789 --> 01:39:12.560
Like it's, to me it is a ministry of sorts, because I think it is, you know, it's just unhealthy to not be in community, especially for that weird place of being a business owner.
01:39:13.069 --> 01:39:22.720
And I've always kind of kept my faith out of it, but there's, like if there's been a growth sector of peer advisory over the last, Five, 10 years, it has been the faith oriented groups.
01:39:22.829 --> 01:39:33.819
There's a thing called convene and C12 and locally here, there's a former member started a group called the foundry, which is kind of like local think tank with a Christian sticker on it.
01:39:34.869 --> 01:39:46.689
And I'm like, I don't feel like that's my calling to be kind of segmented like that, kind of like you in, I want to, I want to help anybody that is kind of, of our people.
01:39:46.739 --> 01:39:47.050
Yeah.
01:39:47.720 --> 01:39:48.680
But I wonder.
01:39:51.085 --> 01:39:53.274
Is that shortsighted of me to do nothing?
01:39:53.899 --> 01:39:54.859
I, I mean, I don't know.
01:39:55.180 --> 01:39:55.826
I don't know.
01:39:55.831 --> 01:39:59.664
I, so for my personal monthly experience, should I do bible study here at the office or something?
01:39:59.664 --> 01:40:04.555
You know, my personal experience with my chapter that I'm involved in is that I share my faith.
01:40:04.555 --> 01:40:06.774
I, I come in and I say, this is what's going on.
01:40:07.104 --> 01:40:10.300
And, and half of your fellow members maybe are.
01:40:10.760 --> 01:40:12.430
fellow Christians and half are totally not.
01:40:12.430 --> 01:40:13.119
Totally not.
01:40:13.180 --> 01:40:15.590
And, and they, they love me for who I am.
01:40:15.600 --> 01:40:19.569
I love them for who they are and we're just able to be on hold space for each other.
01:40:19.569 --> 01:40:22.949
So, so I, I wouldn't do it different in that regard.
01:40:23.229 --> 01:40:24.260
I'm okay with that.
01:40:24.260 --> 01:40:25.090
I'm okay with that.
01:40:25.109 --> 01:40:26.640
Now I, I really am.
01:40:26.640 --> 01:40:31.989
I'm okay with it because I get that, um, uh, I get that need elsewhere.
01:40:32.020 --> 01:40:34.710
That's kind of what I've always felt like this isn't the place for that.
01:40:34.750 --> 01:40:35.010
Yeah.
01:40:35.079 --> 01:40:38.770
And that's how I feel with my business too, is that we're not a Christian company.
01:40:38.770 --> 01:40:40.750
I happen to be a Christian running a company.
01:40:41.310 --> 01:41:01.100
But that's not our bread and butter because again, I want to be able to support anyone that wants to and I, and I hope and pray truly I do that, um, that they will still be able to come in and get support no matter what their beliefs are really at the end of the day, because their mental health matters more than that, you know, what would you say about.
01:41:03.319 --> 01:41:10.939
Like you don't, I mean, we're called, you know, to witness at least to some extent, although I'm sure there's a limited amount of that that you would do in your practice.
01:41:10.939 --> 01:41:28.619
But to me, um, it feels like Any God is better than no God in some respects from a, from a mental health standpoint, like whether you're Jewish or Muslim or agnostic, but you think there's some kind of a creator up there, not just I'm the boss of me.
01:41:29.149 --> 01:41:32.930
I think there has to be some kind of a spiritual element.
01:41:33.180 --> 01:41:36.425
And again, it could be, It could be the universe.
01:41:36.435 --> 01:41:50.164
Like a lot of people like the energy and humanism and whatever it could be, but I do think that there needs to be a higher purpose of some kind, a sense of spirituality, something bigger than me is my bigger than me.
01:41:50.164 --> 01:41:50.475
Yep.
01:41:50.814 --> 01:41:53.204
I do think that's a big part of like overall.
01:41:54.295 --> 01:42:03.095
Cause in, in my company, we, we believe in that holistic approach that in order to be in our best mental health, we have to address our physical health and then we, we have the mind, body, and soul.
01:42:03.125 --> 01:42:05.585
And so soul looks so different from people, right?
01:42:05.585 --> 01:42:06.914
My faith falls under that.
01:42:07.024 --> 01:42:07.375
Sure.
01:42:07.404 --> 01:42:08.935
Um, but some people.
01:42:09.005 --> 01:42:11.435
But so does listening to good, uh, Jimi Hendrix album.
01:42:11.734 --> 01:42:12.034
Truly.
01:42:12.145 --> 01:42:16.824
It's like a hundred percent music absolutely falls under like good for the soul category too.
01:42:16.824 --> 01:42:17.136
Yeah.
01:42:17.136 --> 01:42:19.931
Or a good run or a nature hike or.
01:42:19.931 --> 01:42:20.243
Yeah.
01:42:20.243 --> 01:42:24.592
I don't, yeah, it's exactly being, being grounded and being just centered in that.
01:42:24.592 --> 01:42:33.395
What, again, no matter what the belief is, um, I think that there's a per, there needs to be a bigger sense of purpose and idea.
01:42:33.435 --> 01:42:33.864
Yeah.
01:42:33.864 --> 01:42:34.295
I tend to agree.
01:42:34.295 --> 01:42:34.614
Yeah.
01:42:34.615 --> 01:42:34.685
Yeah.
01:42:34.685 --> 01:42:34.944
Yeah.
01:42:35.454 --> 01:42:38.465
Anything else you want to share on the religion macro topic?
01:42:38.585 --> 01:42:38.835
No.
01:42:38.835 --> 01:42:39.045
Yeah.
01:42:39.045 --> 01:42:43.734
I think it's just loving people where they're at, no matter what that is, as, as, as, as always.
01:42:43.755 --> 01:42:45.824
But, um, should we have another awkward question?
01:42:46.284 --> 01:42:47.515
I'm testing these segments out.
01:42:47.604 --> 01:42:48.015
Sure.
01:42:48.585 --> 01:42:50.704
Do you remember your first kiss with Tyler?
01:42:50.706 --> 01:42:53.425
Uh, yeah.
01:42:54.484 --> 01:42:56.795
Would you like to share some details?
01:42:56.805 --> 01:43:08.074
So, so we were competing at the college rodeo in, um, in, uh, so we went to Oklahoma Penn Handel State University, the cheapest university in all of the country.
01:43:08.414 --> 01:43:11.835
Um, it is, but you've got a scholarship, so it was even cheaper.
01:43:13.895 --> 01:43:15.225
Both competing on the rodeo team.
01:43:15.225 --> 01:43:17.965
And we were headed to Manhattan, Kansas for our rodeo.
01:43:18.270 --> 01:43:21.239
Um, it was like, I think a nine hour drive and it was cold.
01:43:21.239 --> 01:43:22.760
I think this was in February.
01:43:22.770 --> 01:43:23.060
It was so cold.
01:43:23.069 --> 01:43:24.949
Right, and the bus windows are leaky.
01:43:25.119 --> 01:43:27.404
Well, no, we have a truck and a horse trailer, right?
01:43:27.404 --> 01:43:27.739
Oh, right.
01:43:27.789 --> 01:43:29.520
Yes, so we have our horses that we have to haul.
01:43:29.529 --> 01:43:30.380
You were dating already?
01:43:30.439 --> 01:43:30.729
Nope.
01:43:30.880 --> 01:43:31.399
No, okay.
01:43:31.479 --> 01:43:36.954
Um, so me and my old roommate, Krista, uh, we were dating.
01:43:37.104 --> 01:43:38.654
going to go just ourselves.
01:43:38.654 --> 01:43:43.185
And then we caught wind that this other group were going and they had room for our horses.
01:43:43.185 --> 01:43:44.925
So we're like, Hey, it's a nine hour drive.
01:43:44.935 --> 01:43:46.675
We should just, we don't need to take two cars.
01:43:46.685 --> 01:43:49.484
We don't need to take two vehicles and trailers.
01:43:49.484 --> 01:43:49.805
Yeah.
01:43:49.975 --> 01:43:57.515
Um, so we decided to compile, um, and then, and then, yeah, we just kind of hit it off and you weren't acquainted barely before.
01:43:57.515 --> 01:43:57.835
Yeah.
01:43:57.835 --> 01:44:01.314
So we, we, so we both were from, he's born and raised in Fort Collins.
01:44:01.385 --> 01:44:03.145
Um, and then I'm from Craig.
01:44:03.145 --> 01:44:05.805
So we Colorado high school rodeo together.
01:44:05.805 --> 01:44:06.404
And so we would.
01:44:06.744 --> 01:44:22.895
Travel like of each other a little bit and then decided we happened just happenstance went to panhandle State University together to compete in rodeo and So we're on this nine hour drive and you guys are in the backseat or what's going on here?
01:44:22.895 --> 01:44:25.295
I need a little more details for our listeners Becky.
01:44:25.324 --> 01:44:30.920
Come on I just can't give too many details.
01:44:31.409 --> 01:44:38.489
But, uh, yeah, we were just on a long road trip and, uh, and that's when we, when we started our relationship.
01:44:38.729 --> 01:44:41.819
Oh, you went all the way in the backseat on the road?
01:44:41.829 --> 01:44:42.689
Dang, Vicki.
01:44:43.069 --> 01:44:44.094
Tyler, you're stud.
01:44:44.094 --> 01:44:46.449
No, I'm just going to assume that's the case.
01:44:46.449 --> 01:44:46.819
Sorry.
01:44:46.820 --> 01:44:50.989
If you won't share details, I'm just going to write the story in my own mind.
01:44:51.020 --> 01:45:04.069
No, we went to the bar that night and then of course we shared our first kiss that night, and we were in college and young and dumb and, and we may have had too many beverages and, and had our first kiss.
01:45:04.180 --> 01:45:04.939
Truly, truly.
01:45:04.970 --> 01:45:08.609
That was, I promise you, I was somewhat of a lady.
01:45:09.170 --> 01:45:09.579
I believe you.
01:45:09.680 --> 01:45:09.899
Yeah.
01:45:10.390 --> 01:45:17.270
Um, do you want to share a, uh, loco experience, uh, as our final segment?
01:45:19.020 --> 01:45:23.279
Yeah, that time you got busy in the backseat of the pickup on the way to the rodeo, I guess.
01:45:25.140 --> 01:45:26.996
Sorry, your daughters will listen to this.
01:45:26.996 --> 01:45:27.860
I'm just teasing them.
01:45:27.860 --> 01:45:28.510
No, I know.
01:45:29.289 --> 01:45:31.630
They, they know that it was a nine hour drive.
01:45:31.630 --> 01:45:33.479
It was funny, but nine hours.
01:45:33.479 --> 01:45:34.189
That's some stamina.
01:45:34.189 --> 01:45:34.659
Oh man.
01:45:35.270 --> 01:45:37.180
Well, that's rodeo.
01:45:37.310 --> 01:45:39.409
I'm telling you guys.
01:45:39.430 --> 01:45:39.810
Yeah.
01:45:39.970 --> 01:45:42.829
Rodeo cowboys are just a little different breed for sure.
01:45:42.899 --> 01:45:44.729
Um, I thought it was eight seconds.
01:45:47.770 --> 01:45:47.880
Yeah.
01:45:48.914 --> 01:45:53.375
So a crazy experience, like with, with, with, within what a year, what are we talking about?
01:45:53.375 --> 01:45:53.685
Yeah.
01:45:53.685 --> 01:45:58.555
I mean, it could be a moment, uh, you know, because loco experience is the name of the podcast.
01:45:58.895 --> 01:46:05.215
So a crazy experience, a little play on words, um, but it could be, you know, it could be spiritual.
01:46:05.215 --> 01:46:09.944
It could be a crazy experience with your daughter where she just showed you how smart she was.
01:46:10.435 --> 01:46:11.034
I don't know.
01:46:11.095 --> 01:46:12.635
Any kind of a crazy experience.
01:46:13.194 --> 01:46:17.715
You know, I, yeah, I, I honestly, like you're kind of a good girl like to be real, I mean, I am.
01:46:17.755 --> 01:46:17.954
Yeah.
01:46:18.435 --> 01:46:18.774
Naughty.
01:46:19.194 --> 01:46:19.895
Kid experience.
01:46:20.055 --> 01:46:22.354
No, I mean, no, not too bad.
01:46:22.425 --> 01:46:27.675
Um, I'm very much like we could let up one of those joints right now That would be crazy for you.
01:46:27.845 --> 01:46:28.755
That would be crazy.
01:46:28.925 --> 01:46:45.520
You're gonna give me a ride home a little bit You just text Tyler don't come pick you up join with Kurt He would actually probably think it was funny He would, he would.
01:46:45.520 --> 01:46:47.500
He's, he's so, he would love you nevertheless.
01:46:47.500 --> 01:46:48.159
A hundred percent.
01:46:48.760 --> 01:46:48.850
Yeah.
01:46:48.854 --> 01:46:49.720
Well, that's what I love about it.
01:46:49.720 --> 01:46:50.140
Becky did it.
01:46:50.140 --> 01:46:52.329
That's just part of her journey and I love her for it.
01:46:52.574 --> 01:46:54.310
Yeah, that's exactly Tyler, yeah.
01:46:54.899 --> 01:46:56.430
Um, crazy experience.
01:46:56.430 --> 01:46:56.909
I don't know.
01:46:56.909 --> 01:47:01.109
I mean, well, uh, okay, so this is a fun fact about me.
01:47:01.170 --> 01:47:06.010
Um, I am a part owner of an outfitting business, a hunting and outfitting business.
01:47:06.010 --> 01:47:06.100
Oh, yeah.
01:47:06.100 --> 01:47:06.694
I don't know if I've ever.
01:47:08.140 --> 01:47:12.279
Brushed against it when we were last in, but it's like an elk property up there over there.
01:47:12.310 --> 01:47:16.050
So my dad has had this business for like 40, some 40 years or so.
01:47:16.670 --> 01:47:22.170
Um, and he was just getting ready to get out of it, wanted to, wanted to get out of it.
01:47:22.170 --> 01:47:26.689
And so me and my oldest sister took over and he's still part owner.
01:47:26.750 --> 01:47:31.229
Um, and the funny thing is though I was born and raised around it, but it was one of those things.
01:47:31.630 --> 01:47:33.979
I was also born and raised right next to steamboat Springs.
01:47:34.000 --> 01:47:36.399
And the first time I ever went skiing was in New Mexico.
01:47:37.520 --> 01:47:39.189
I didn't do it because it was too easy.
01:47:39.199 --> 01:47:40.149
Like, I was just like.
01:47:40.670 --> 01:47:42.659
I don't know, uh, rebel or something.
01:47:42.979 --> 01:47:44.340
I was like, no, I don't want to do anything with it.
01:47:44.359 --> 01:47:45.859
So same thing with the hunting stuff.
01:47:46.279 --> 01:47:51.600
I didn't get my hunter safety card until I was like 26 years old, even though I was born and raised with it.
01:47:51.649 --> 01:47:57.170
Um, so then dad proposes this idea of like, Hey, I'd really love my daughters to be able to take over this business.
01:47:57.170 --> 01:47:59.270
And I'm like, well, I don't know anything about hunting, but.
01:47:59.774 --> 01:48:00.654
Yeah, sure.
01:48:00.675 --> 01:48:05.454
Let I'm like, because I don't like it by now and I want to keep it alive.
01:48:05.545 --> 01:48:07.024
Yeah, it's a legacy of it.
01:48:07.055 --> 01:48:10.175
Um, and, and there are so many, it's nostalgia.
01:48:10.175 --> 01:48:14.944
It's so many good memories from going up to hunting camp and, and hanging out with the guys and whatnot.
01:48:15.015 --> 01:48:24.250
Um, so, um, So long story short, uh, two years ago, I suppose it was one of our second season hunters had gotten a bull and he says, I think I got it down.
01:48:24.260 --> 01:48:24.899
It's over here.
01:48:24.899 --> 01:48:27.020
And he gives me like kind of the coordinates of where he's at.
01:48:27.020 --> 01:48:28.829
And I said, okay, it's getting dark.
01:48:28.840 --> 01:48:33.010
I was like, well, we better go get hands on it because we need to quarter it out before it rots basically.
01:48:33.130 --> 01:48:33.260
Right.
01:48:33.680 --> 01:48:36.050
And it's early season, so it's gonna be warm overnight.
01:48:36.069 --> 01:48:36.840
Well, no, no, no.
01:48:36.840 --> 01:48:37.779
It's a blizzard.
01:48:37.780 --> 01:48:39.409
Oh, okay.
01:48:40.130 --> 01:48:42.420
Well, that'll take care of the rot problem, as long as you get it gutted good.
01:48:42.449 --> 01:48:45.617
Well, but the snow actually acts as a, as an insulator.
01:48:45.617 --> 01:48:47.793
And so it's actually worse.
01:48:47.793 --> 01:48:48.664
Yeah, fair.
01:48:48.664 --> 01:48:52.704
Um, so, uh, At this time, we're super new to this idea in business.
01:48:52.704 --> 01:48:54.725
And of course, I'm a, I'm an Enneagram three.
01:48:54.725 --> 01:48:55.864
So I'm like, Oh, I got this.
01:48:55.935 --> 01:48:57.005
I can do this.
01:48:57.015 --> 01:48:58.103
It's just you and your sister.
01:48:58.103 --> 01:48:59.614
You don't have like a guide or.
01:48:59.805 --> 01:49:00.114
Nope.
01:49:00.114 --> 01:49:05.034
It's just, so it's just me and my husband that take over first rifle and second rifle seasons.
01:49:05.034 --> 01:49:08.954
Um, and so, and then the oldest sister takes over third and fourth rifle season.
01:49:08.954 --> 01:49:09.475
Okay.
01:49:09.534 --> 01:49:10.994
Um, so it's just me and Tyler there.
01:49:10.994 --> 01:49:11.635
Tyler is.
01:49:13.069 --> 01:49:13.619
He's cooking.
01:49:13.640 --> 01:49:17.420
He's, he's hanging out in the cook tent and he's already got that going on and I job too.
01:49:17.810 --> 01:49:18.789
Yeah, he's the cook in our, in our house.
01:49:18.789 --> 01:49:20.319
Go court of that, Errol, Becky.
01:49:20.320 --> 01:49:20.860
Yeah, exactly.
01:49:20.860 --> 01:49:23.609
So I was like, oh, I, it's okay, I'll go.
01:49:23.649 --> 01:49:27.460
So I go out there and I've got headlamps and we're trying to find this and sure as heck we find this.
01:49:28.880 --> 01:49:38.300
And, and so they're the Oklahoma boys, we call them and they look at me and they're like, Oh man, we're so excited to learn how to do, um, this gutless quarter that you guys keep talking about.
01:49:38.300 --> 01:49:40.539
And I was like, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
01:49:41.029 --> 01:49:41.260
Yeah.
01:49:41.260 --> 01:49:42.659
I'm going to show you guys how to do this.
01:49:43.359 --> 01:49:44.699
I've never done it on my own.
01:49:44.899 --> 01:49:48.720
I've only done it with my dad or a gutless quarter.
01:49:48.720 --> 01:49:49.060
Yeah.
01:49:49.390 --> 01:49:50.960
You mean you gut it first and you quarter it?
01:49:51.000 --> 01:49:51.539
No, no, no.
01:49:51.560 --> 01:49:52.680
You leave the gut bag intact.
01:49:52.689 --> 01:49:52.930
Yes.
01:49:53.750 --> 01:50:01.010
Yeah, so for a bull elk, it's just easier to do that because we have a lot of California hunters and they can't take the brain over the state line.
01:50:01.109 --> 01:50:01.319
Okay.
01:50:01.609 --> 01:50:06.399
So, and, or brain or the spine, so it doesn't make any sense to pack out the, the ribs or anything.
01:50:06.399 --> 01:50:06.869
Sure.
01:50:06.920 --> 01:50:07.539
We leave that.
01:50:07.670 --> 01:50:07.699
Okay.
01:50:07.710 --> 01:50:09.189
Um, so you quarter it out.
01:50:09.630 --> 01:50:16.386
Oh, so you just take the quarters off and leave the, the chest cavity and probably take the back straps and call it good on the body.
01:50:16.386 --> 01:50:16.965
Yep, and then back straps and the tenderloins.
01:50:16.966 --> 01:50:18.225
Yeah.
01:50:18.225 --> 01:50:21.484
So, so they say, I can't wait to learn from you, Becky.
01:50:23.475 --> 01:50:24.875
I can't wait to learn while you're watching me.
01:50:25.085 --> 01:50:26.694
And I say, you bet.
01:50:26.765 --> 01:50:28.335
And that's just my mentality.
01:50:28.335 --> 01:50:30.574
I'm just like, yeah, you know, we'll, we'll figure this out.
01:50:30.645 --> 01:50:31.494
It will figure this out.
01:50:31.534 --> 01:50:32.864
And I, I'm always the yes girl.
01:50:32.864 --> 01:50:33.954
And then I figure it out on the way.
01:50:34.475 --> 01:50:37.085
And so I'm out there and I'm, I'm quartering this out.
01:50:37.305 --> 01:50:37.835
on my own.
01:50:37.845 --> 01:50:40.354
They're just holding up some legs and helping and stuff.
01:50:40.425 --> 01:50:45.135
Um, and then we, we get it done and I get the tenderloins and the back straps and all that out.
01:50:45.534 --> 01:50:48.034
And then, I mean, it is a blizzard.
01:50:48.055 --> 01:50:49.045
It is snowing.
01:50:49.045 --> 01:50:50.795
It's pitch black at this time.
01:50:50.824 --> 01:50:53.465
And I do it all by myself with those guys helping.
01:50:53.465 --> 01:50:57.295
Of course, we take pictures, we hike back in and then the next morning.
01:50:57.295 --> 01:50:59.015
So we leave it there now that it's quartered.
01:50:59.015 --> 01:50:59.505
It's good.
01:51:00.104 --> 01:51:05.354
Um, and then the next morning we go out and then Tyler and I, Put it on our backs and hike it out.
01:51:05.354 --> 01:51:06.414
Cause it's in this Valley.
01:51:07.904 --> 01:51:12.215
And I have a hind quarter and a front quarter in my backpack, in my pack.
01:51:12.225 --> 01:51:13.494
So like 80 pounds or something.
01:51:13.545 --> 01:51:16.185
Oh, I think I would, I would think more than that.
01:51:16.185 --> 01:51:22.225
And Tyler has like hoist me up just to be able to stand.
01:51:22.225 --> 01:51:23.475
I'm like, okay, I think I got this.
01:51:23.475 --> 01:51:27.645
And then we get down a little bit and then we, now we have the uphill part and I'm like, I got to take a break.
01:51:27.895 --> 01:51:36.324
So I sit down and I'm just like, I, I tried to, I tried to stand up, but I was like, my legs are not activating, I can not get up.
01:51:36.335 --> 01:51:36.774
I can't.
01:51:36.774 --> 01:51:42.551
And so I, I like topple over and get back up and, and, uh, and it's just, it's beautiful.
01:51:42.551 --> 01:51:45.024
It's so beautiful out.
01:51:45.024 --> 01:51:51.734
And it's just this like surreal moment, um, to go out there and just be so like, I don't, yeah.
01:51:51.734 --> 01:51:52.965
Just the Oklahoma boys.
01:51:54.079 --> 01:52:00.689
Because like, even though I called you an old lady earlier, like you're a pretty young gal in reality, real terms.
01:52:00.750 --> 01:52:11.899
And like 37, just turned 37 and they're like out there, you know, watching you in this dark of night, like hack this elk up.
01:52:11.920 --> 01:52:14.529
They have no idea that you're really first timing it.
01:52:15.680 --> 01:52:23.250
But I have to think that their level of appreciation and respect for you is like bouncing off the, off the pigs, which, which.
01:52:23.609 --> 01:52:26.460
As an Enneagram 3, that's, that fills my cup.
01:52:26.659 --> 01:52:27.270
I'm sure.
01:52:27.270 --> 01:52:28.239
That fills my cup.
01:52:28.449 --> 01:52:29.789
Yeah, you're like, eat it, dudes.
01:52:30.340 --> 01:52:33.840
Like, if you guys could, you would, but you can't, so I'm going to do this for you.
01:52:33.840 --> 01:52:39.260
And then one of the guys, he was great, and he's like, he's like, afterwards, he's like, you know what I put your name in my phone as?
01:52:39.279 --> 01:52:40.220
And I was like, well, I don't know.
01:52:40.220 --> 01:52:41.630
He's like, badass Becky.
01:52:41.920 --> 01:52:44.989
And I was like, oh, I just am winning.
01:52:45.020 --> 01:52:45.979
I just felt great.
01:52:46.130 --> 01:52:48.760
So that, that was a crazy experience.
01:52:48.770 --> 01:52:49.042
I'm sure.
01:52:49.042 --> 01:52:49.545
I'm sure.
01:52:49.704 --> 01:53:04.505
I will forever remember because it was just, and it was surreal too, because we, we were doing something very uncomfortable, very new, very challenging physically, but, um, but because this was completely new, but it's also such a big part of our legacy as a family.
01:53:05.395 --> 01:53:07.074
And these hunters have been coming for so many years.
01:53:07.074 --> 01:53:08.664
I'm surprised you guys weren't wearing horses.
01:53:08.925 --> 01:53:13.145
Well, typically we will do that, but that, that hike wasn't, it wasn't far enough.
01:53:13.164 --> 01:53:16.635
And it was just like, it was just one quick kind of just off camp kind of thing.
01:53:16.694 --> 01:53:17.104
Yeah.
01:53:17.175 --> 01:53:17.385
Yeah.
01:53:18.074 --> 01:53:21.994
And you couldn't get a trailer, it would, it would have been more difficult to get the horses there.
01:53:22.085 --> 01:53:22.635
Fair enough.
01:53:22.795 --> 01:53:26.094
Well, um, I like that story actually, that's a pretty good one.
01:53:26.094 --> 01:53:26.524
That's fun.
01:53:26.664 --> 01:53:35.564
I'm looking forward to our third conversation when we can, uh, talk about the, uh, mountain goat or the black bear or something like that that you guys got down there.
01:53:35.725 --> 01:53:36.625
Do you guys have bears over there?
01:53:37.045 --> 01:53:37.274
Yeah.
01:53:37.314 --> 01:53:38.375
Just black bears probably.
01:53:38.465 --> 01:53:38.774
Yeah.
01:53:39.055 --> 01:53:40.545
We had moose on the property this year.
01:53:40.545 --> 01:53:41.265
Oh wow.
01:53:41.375 --> 01:53:41.725
I know.
01:53:41.784 --> 01:53:42.635
That was kind of new.
01:53:43.064 --> 01:53:45.975
Could I, could I hunt there for moose if I had a permit for that zone?
01:53:46.015 --> 01:53:47.564
Yeah, I believe so.
01:53:47.975 --> 01:53:48.335
I believe so.
01:53:48.354 --> 01:53:48.965
You would let me?
01:53:49.255 --> 01:53:50.215
I mean, you would, yeah.
01:53:50.215 --> 01:53:50.645
Not really.
01:53:50.734 --> 01:53:51.244
You'd have to.
01:53:51.734 --> 01:53:53.676
Well, we don't sell moose hunt, so I'm not sure.
01:53:53.676 --> 01:53:54.164
That's what I'm saying.
01:53:54.164 --> 01:53:55.534
Yeah, I could just sneak out there.
01:53:55.814 --> 01:53:58.774
Park my ambulance camper on your property and just go moose hunting.
01:53:58.774 --> 01:53:59.954
We would, we would know.
01:53:59.954 --> 01:54:00.435
I'm sure.
01:54:00.435 --> 01:54:00.725
You've seen it.
01:54:00.734 --> 01:54:01.314
We'd see ya.
01:54:02.765 --> 01:54:04.305
Uh, Becky, I think you're swell.
01:54:04.305 --> 01:54:07.475
Yeah, Um, and I'm glad you spent a little time here with me again.
01:54:07.774 --> 01:54:08.824
I appreciate you.
01:54:09.064 --> 01:54:09.215
Yeah.
01:54:09.314 --> 01:54:11.045
Look forward to our next conversation.
01:54:11.534 --> 01:54:12.284
Have a great Thanksgiving.
01:54:12.364 --> 01:54:12.734
Thank you.
01:54:12.734 --> 01:54:13.015
You too.
01:54:13.244 --> 01:54:13.375
Yeah.
01:54:13.375 --> 01:54:14.324
I know you voted for Trump.
01:54:14.494 --> 01:54:16.595
Don't even, I don't, I don't say nothing.
01:54:16.604 --> 01:54:17.135
No comment.
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Welcome back to the Loco Experience Podcast.
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Thank you.
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I'm excited to be here.
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My returning guest today is Becky Lauridsen.
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Yes.
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Yep.
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Thank you.
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And she's the founder and owner of IOMEE.
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Uh, returning, uh, it was my guest in episode nine, January of 2021, we released that almost three years.
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That's yeah.
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Yeah.
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Um, so I guess let's just refresh guests with, uh, you're, you're a smarty pants, a brain shrinker.
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I am.
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Not a psychiatrist, but a counselor person, a counselor.
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Yep.
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So licensed professional counselor.
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Um, I've gotten a handful of other little, uh, certifications and things along the way, but it's master's level counseling.
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So LPC, I'm a trained EMDR therapist, which is a trauma based therapy.
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And then certified Enneagram coach, which is a super fun tool for me to use, um, especially in the workplace.
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And then I just most recently became certified as a lens neurofeedback provider.
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I have kind of nerded out on the neurology, if you will.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Um.
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And more importantly, you're an entrepreneur.
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Yeah.
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Yes.
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Um, can I ask how many, so your business is IOMI, it's a counseling organization and membership organization and employment services.
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How many counselors are part of your team?
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Yeah.
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We're a team of 10 now.
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Okay.
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And in two locations?
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Yes, Fort Collins and Windsor, yep.
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Um, and then we do a lot of on site work with those employers.
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So we're present at like our, our contracted employers in, um, Weld County, in City of Greeley, Madwire, Summitstone, a handful of places that we're actually on site with them.
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Yeah.
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Uh, offering their employees mental health.
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And that was really just starting.
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Um, during our first conversation, I think you had maybe just like Weld County or something was your first pilot.
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Good memory.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You're like, I don't remember.
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That was a long time ago.
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Good job.
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It's funny.
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Sometimes I tell people things that they said in my podcast and they're like, you still remember that from that conversation?
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That, yeah, it just kind of sticks.
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Impressive.
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A lot of it does.
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Um, that was my, my highlight of, probably one of my highlights of that season is when you shared that, That your first full year of loco membership was you, you 10 X to your income.
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That's true.
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Yeah.
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And it was mostly because of COVID making people crazy.
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Well that, or that helped.
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That helped business.
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Yes.
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It helped business, but we were so grateful because we had already set so, so much of a foundational, uh, process.
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We had, we had the foundation built when that happened, then we were able to jump in and be able to help support just community clients, but also the employees on that end, too.
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Because, as you know, I mean, it was pretty devastating for a lot of people there.
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So being able to just solve that problem right away, it was it ended up being good.
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On the, This is a terrible question to get right into, but on the whole, do you think, uh, the, the Trump reelection is more or less traumatic to the average populace than the COVID lockdowns?
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You know, we, um, we do notice that, that clients need to talk about it.
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Clients need to process it.
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They, no matter which way you lean, no matter which way you swing or lean, um, Oh, even the ones that are happy about it?
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Yeah.
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They're still talking about it.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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Clients are coming in and just processing.
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Because it was a heavy election.
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It was a lot of weight on it.
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Well, according to both candidates, it might be our last election if the other candidate won.
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Exactly.
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You know, that seems serious.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It was, yeah, it was heavy.
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So we did.
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We, I definitely appreciate it.
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I try to prep my team, my supervisor.
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It seems likely your pipeline is good for a while.
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Like everybody is going to need a few extra sessions for a season.
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Yep, yep.
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My supervisor tried to prep our other team, our therapists, to be able to just, how do you handle these conversations?
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How do you support your clients no matter which way they lean?
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How do you not put your own bias and your own personal opinions, um, onto them?
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Because that, that's not okay.
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That's not okay.
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If your therapist does it, that's not okay.
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Are you, is the thrust of your growth been in the employer services space since that time?
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Are you, you're still offering the membership services kind of experience, but that hasn't been, so you've become more of a B2B company from a revenue growth standpoint than a B2C.
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Yep.
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As far as the, um, totally.
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We still have the, the community membership, we call it.
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And, uh, anybody can come in and be able to come see us for therapy.
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If you're just anybody in the area, um, come see us for therapy.
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And then we do a lot of our work with the employer, but then the employer only a lot, so many sessions per person, and so then if they need or want more than they are able to come to us as a community member.
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Convert to private pay or whatever to do, do employers get like a.
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A discount?
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Like a wholesale rate, uh, on that?
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Yeah, it's free for them.
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Mm hmm.
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The employer For the employee.
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Oh, yes, for the employer.
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But even the employer gets a little discount compared to just the average retail buyer that takes X dollars of marketing to get to and you can kind of stack them at the employer's place, right?
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Yeah, exactly.
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We want to, we just truly want to make it accessible.
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Um, we want it to be easy and simple.
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I think the biggest, uh, Hang up the biggest obstacle for people to get the services that they need is all the hoops that they have to jump through, right?
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If you were needing a therapist and you went online and Googled therapists in Northern Colorado or Fort Collins in particular, the list is daunting.
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It's long.
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You don't know where to start, right?
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You don't know what these acronyms mean.
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LMFT, LPC, LCSW.
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It's, it's overwhelming for me and I know all of those things when I was looking for my own therapist.
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Yeah.
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So.
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We wanted it to be simple.
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So with a click of a link, you're able to find which therapist, what would be a good fit based on their bio.
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And then you can simply book it.
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Um, we always do free consults and things to make sure it's a good fit for the client, but, but we wanted it to be accessible to, right?
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Like they have read a refusal.
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I assume.
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Yeah, sure.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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If it's not a good fit, usually it's, um, mutual, right.
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Typically.
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So, so if that's the case, then we can refer in internal or external if needed.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Um, and is that.
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Like from a, like, are you going to try to grow more and is it going to still be in that employer services space?
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Cause it's just efficient or like, what's your, what's your vision for IOMI?
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It's a good, that's a great question that I always am toying with because I am an Enneagram three.
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I love achieving.
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I love going and I love, um, working and problem solving and creating something from nothing.
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And so I think it'd be really hard for me to just sit still.
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I know it's really hard for me to sit still.
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Right, right.
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But you also have young children.
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I have young children.
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How old are they now?
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Ten and six.
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Okay.
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Almost six.
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But yeah, she'll be six.
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So actually you're probably freeing up to some extent because the six year old has just started to go off to school.
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Ten year old will be doing lacrosse and whatnot soon, but not yet rodeo.
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Is that right?
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Uh huh.
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Yep.
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They're both competing.
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And oh, wow.
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In fact, the little six year old, she won her first saddle this summer.
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And uh, like three belt buckles and all sorts of stuff.
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So I noticed your belt buckle there.
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That's a different kind of, uh, Did you, like, have a quarterly sales champion at Mary Kay or something?
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No.
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Um, no, Michael Kors.
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That's funny.
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I remember, because that was what you did before you started IOMEA was a rockstar, rockstar Mary Kay gal.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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It taught me all things business that I, I didn't, that you do not get in a master's degree of counseling.
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That's for sure.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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I should have worn my belt buckle with like the actual.
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You do have a Mary Kay one, do you?
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No, no, no, no.
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More rodeo style.
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I should have worn my barrel racing belt buckle.
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Just for the occasion.
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My, uh, my brother's daughter is barrel racing actually, too.
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Oh, no kidding?
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How old?
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Um, I suppose she's 14 ish.
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Local?
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Or where is she from?
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Uh, North Dakota.
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Oh, fine.
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Well, tell her.
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I'm cheering her on.
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Um, he's got like five hay burners right now.
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They're also watching somebody's like Scottish Dwarf horse or something like that.
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Like half the size of a, of a Shetland pony.
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Oh wow.
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Or Amish.
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Amish Dwarf pony, I think is what it's called.
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But it's strong.
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It can, it can haul.
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It's like a 400 pound horse that can haul a 300 pound guy around.
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Oh yeah.
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They're silly.
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Horses are cool.
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Anyway, I digress.
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Uh, we can talk about horses the rest of the podcast.
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Um, what do we want to talk about?
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Like, I started asking a question about what that growth could look like, and you're kind of a You know, doors will open if I'm supposed to walk through them kind of girl.
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So I don't want you to, you know, lay out all your plans.
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No, no, no, I'm totally good.
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I, I do.
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I, I want to grow because I see the work that we're doing and it is making a big impact.
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And I, I see the problems that we're getting to solve with these clients.
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We're, we're really, truly, and I'm not saying this from a state of arrogance, but we're really, truly making differences with people who would not have gone to therapy without us being at the workplace.
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And so the mission behind it is still very prevalent and it's needed.
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And it like, it fires me up in a big way.
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And so I still have a mission and a purpose in that.
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And so part of me is like, well, why not build it?
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Why, you know, why, why would I not?
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Allow other people to have access to this because it's a broken system out there.
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A traditional EAP mental health.
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It's, it's a little bit broken.
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And so we're really like, we're really shaking it up.
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And that's kind of across the country, but it's also Colorado specifically is taking a lot of, I've put a lot of regulatory pressures on the industry.
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Um, it's that and, uh, The, the demand is higher, the EAP, the Employee Assistance Program that, I mean, there's a list of things like it's been around since the 70s.
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So it's the same since the 70s and it's 2024 for goodness sakes, like we need to be shaking this up.
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Yeah.
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Um, and, and basically what it is, it's just, I hate to say this, but I think it's just It's the, like the tick, like, okay, well, yep, we were offering mental health.
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Like we just checked that off.
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Yep.
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Right.
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This is what we have.
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But utilization is less than 2 percent for these companies.
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So nobody's using it.
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Nobody's accessing it because they have to go through so many hoops to get to the actual therapy.
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Um, and so that's why we're jumping in and our utilization for the whole company is over on average is over 20%.
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Wow.
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So from the measly 2 percent nationwide average, wide average to.
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I have a, uh, a new prospect for loco think tank, um, compost queen.
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Okay.
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Um, and you'll get where I'm going with this.
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Tell me more.
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So, so they, they do well, they started on an individual basis, you know, come pick up your compost and you get a bucket and we can deliver you your compost when it's ready and stuff.
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If that's what you want.
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Scaling into commercial type applications, but you got to have clean stuff.
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And so an idea that, that actually floated, uh, when he came to a freethink recently was, well, what if you had like an employer would just have compost buckets and you could just take your bucket home, bring it in, we'll have a single source collection.
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And it's just an employee benefit.
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Way more people would compost if their employer just made it really easy for them.
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Exactly.
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And it would be cost effective.
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And way more people go to therapy when their employer makes it easy for them.
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Yeah.
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I mean, that's what it is at the end of the day.
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A hundred percent.
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It's gotta be simple.
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Exactly what I was imagining.
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And then, yeah, it would, the, what's that?
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The uptake rate.
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Mm hmm.
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Right.
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If they, if they see and, and do people, Are you going on site?
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Is there like a?
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Yep.
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So several of our employers have us, um, contracted for a certain amount of, like the larger ones, a certain amount, a number of hours per week.
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And so consistently we're there, we're building relationships.
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You may or may not have appointments even, you're just there from eight to two on Fridays and a few of those are booked.
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If you were just kind of walking, is it private so that people can, uh, not see who's checking out the counselors this week?
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Exactly.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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Definitely private, confidential.
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Um, and then, yeah, we, we have those sessions available and that utilization rate's over 90%.
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So people are coming in and they're Oh, wow.
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Um, and even though they don't have to, I mean, it's, it's unlimited.
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It's free, it's easy for them to come or go or interesting or not, but, but they're coming.
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So, and then you can contact the employer and be like, Hey, uh, we're full.
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Do you need more?
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Yeah.
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You want more hours?
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Yeah.
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Mm-hmm Here's the next package up.
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Yeah.
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Interesting.
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Yep.
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Um, what do you dislike about the industry?
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mental health industry.
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Um, the, the red tape, the, uh, yeah, the, the, the barriers that they put in, in place like state line barriers, for example, um, it's getting better.
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There's, there's movements, there's, there's actions happening right now that this should help.
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But, uh, for example, if I have a client that lives here in Colorado and then they turn around and move to Cheyenne, which is 40 miles north, I can't see them legally.
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Because I'm not licensed in Wyoming, and so they would have to drive across the border and have their session in their car and then they could still do a virtual session with me in Colorado, but, so some of that red tape that's just super frustrating.
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But aren't there like national organizations or, but they're getting licensed in all these states and stuff and then you gotta carry a license and do all the community ed.
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Mm hmm.
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Yeah.
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So it's getting better.
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Um, it's getting better.
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There's, there's the compact that's supposed to be helping this and that way it's, um, going to be easier for us to get licensed in multiple states, but it is one of the bigger barriers that I think is pretty silly because we can be doing, we can do mental health very easily virtually.
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I mean, I always would say and argue that in person is better, but, um, virtual is better than nothing.
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So yeah, for sure.
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Um, will you always be in person first?
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Organization.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I think so.
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I, I can't imagine not.
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Um.
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I think we would.
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Cause even if we grow outside of Northern Colorado, we would have, I would be very passionate about making sure we had like a representative, um, a me wherever else, like in different areas.
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So.
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You mean kind of a lead for each location kind of.
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And are you like, who, two questions, I guess, who, who are your.
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Yeah.
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Like a demographically are they established and they just want to be part of a brand of kind of situation here or the youngsters, are you training them?
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A little bit of both.
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Um, yeah, a little bit of both.
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We have, we have our, we have an internship program, so we've had a few interns come in, um, and be able to get their feet wet and be able to support them.
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And then we offer them the supervision as well.
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Um, and so we're able to kind of support them And, and help them like, uh, not create the bad habits and set boundaries and protect them in a way because unfortunately newbies get thrown.
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All the tough cases and way too many clients.
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And so we have that ability to protect them if you will.
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And then, um, with, when it comes to, uh, some of the other therapists, then we really try to specialize in each therapist has their own niche, if you will.
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So, um, couples and counseling or couples counseling to substance use, to trauma work, sports performance, all that kind of stuff.
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When people go into like rehab or whatever substance use kind of situations, Do they get the same kind of interpersonal therapy in that situation or is it more?
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Okay.
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Yeah, it'll be more intensive More than likely it would be a pretty intensive program.
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Even if it's an outpatient, it would still be pretty intensive if it was a rehab but for those for those employees or whoever it is that we're working with.
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It just, it may not be enough to have to go into a rehab or an outpatient intensive or inpatient, but they, they need some support around it.
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And typically what we find is there's underlying anxiety or depression or trauma that's causing the, the, the substance, the decision to drink four glasses of wine every day.
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If I drink.
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Two glasses of wine every podcast.
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Is that a signal?
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You know, no, I would want to know more about your childhood and your trauma, but otherwise, no, I don't think so.
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If I was doing podcasts every night and drinking four bourbons instead of two glasses of wine, I have had four bourbons a couple of times and got a little silly, but, uh, we've had some really long conversations and if the bourbon's flavorful, it's hard to stop.
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Um, so, and then the second question is, is, uh, I guess from an employer's basis, who are your clients?
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It's whoever they employ.
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Yep.
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And then from the membership side, uh, the community kind of engagement, it was kind of a lot of, we'll say, younger ladies at the time.
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Has that changed that demographic as you've become an older lady and stuff?
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I don't know if I look older lady, but uh, we'll move past that.
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Um, so, so yeah.
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So we, we see a wide range.
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Yes.
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Most of our clients, most of our community clients are probably, um, that thirties mid, you know, range or so, uh, women, but honestly, there has been such an influx because of the pool that we're having in the, um, the marketing and the, the word of mouth that we're having at the places of employment.
00:18:10.275 --> 00:18:11.384
So we are, we are good.
00:18:11.394 --> 00:18:14.755
Are they use up their allotment at the employer and they're like, Oh, I want some more.
00:18:14.795 --> 00:18:15.085
Yep.
00:18:15.255 --> 00:18:15.384
Yeah.
00:18:15.384 --> 00:18:15.674
Okay.
00:18:15.724 --> 00:18:20.085
So we're seeing a pretty diverse group of people and kids too, because their family members are.
00:18:20.454 --> 00:18:25.984
Um, able or part of that eligibility depends on the employer and so we'll see a lot of kiddos.
00:18:26.045 --> 00:18:26.984
Um, yeah.
00:18:27.265 --> 00:18:31.855
Do they have to go to the employer place then for that or they can set side appointments kind of thing, whatever.
00:18:31.875 --> 00:18:32.315
To one of our offices.
00:18:32.375 --> 00:18:32.825
Oh, cool.
00:18:33.244 --> 00:18:33.875
That's really neat.
00:18:34.085 --> 00:18:36.825
And do you, you said you were at the Windsor office today.
00:18:36.825 --> 00:18:39.884
Do you split time, uh, between the two?
00:18:39.914 --> 00:18:40.204
Yeah.
00:18:40.234 --> 00:18:41.484
I'm a little all over.
00:18:41.515 --> 00:18:46.494
Um, that's one of the goals for 2025 is to simplify my schedule.
00:18:46.595 --> 00:18:46.815
Yeah.
00:18:48.184 --> 00:18:58.244
But yeah, typically I, I, I try to work from home on Mondays and just do all the back end stuff and then Tuesdays, uh, Windsor office we have our team meetings and then, uh, Wednesday typically Fort Collins.
00:18:58.255 --> 00:19:03.255
Thursday I go out to a school and I do therapy with, um, a small rural school out in Grover.
00:19:03.484 --> 00:19:03.825
Oh, wow.
00:19:03.865 --> 00:19:07.615
And, uh, work with those, the staff and the school, uh, classmates there.
00:19:08.315 --> 00:19:09.684
And then Fridays I try to take off.
00:19:09.755 --> 00:19:12.375
And is that a heart forward project for you out there?
00:19:12.375 --> 00:19:15.525
Yeah, I mean, it was a result of COVID as well.
00:19:15.525 --> 00:19:18.615
They had some COVID mental health funds and so they were able to bring me in.
00:19:18.615 --> 00:19:25.015
And I have just such a strong heartbeat for that rural community and the ranching country lifestyle for sure too.
00:19:25.375 --> 00:19:26.369
Um, the school's 60, 000 students.
00:19:26.369 --> 00:19:26.490
It's a great book.
00:19:26.490 --> 00:19:28.900
Oh, and I see three kids from pre K to 12th grade.
00:19:28.910 --> 00:19:30.309
So it's a very small school.
00:19:30.319 --> 00:19:30.970
Oh wow.
00:19:31.019 --> 00:19:36.490
So it's, it's so small that they don't have a 50 person high school and a 60 person elementary school.
00:19:36.500 --> 00:19:36.670
Oh yeah.
00:19:36.819 --> 00:19:40.039
that was even, I had a big school compared to those four kids.
00:19:40.039 --> 00:19:42.000
Yep, yeah.
00:19:42.115 --> 00:19:42.384
Yeah.
00:19:42.384 --> 00:19:46.694
So, so it is, it is a heart project, but it's also part of the, part of the gig.
00:19:48.134 --> 00:19:54.994
And then Friday's you get off and then Friday's I attempted to Friday's laundry kids shuffling.
00:19:55.144 --> 00:19:56.384
Is your husband Travis?
00:19:56.384 --> 00:19:56.825
What's his name?
00:19:56.884 --> 00:20:01.494
Tyler, Tyler, Tyler, and he was operating a business and.
00:20:02.684 --> 00:20:07.575
Maybe shut that down recently and went back into just kind of regular jobby job land.
00:20:07.575 --> 00:20:07.744
Yep, yep.
00:20:07.894 --> 00:20:09.295
He has his CDL.
00:20:09.325 --> 00:20:14.265
He delivers, um, like product and feed and things to the local dairy farms and whatnot.
00:20:14.265 --> 00:20:15.625
So, um, yep.
00:20:15.625 --> 00:20:19.087
It's a pretty, uh, straightforward, uh, back to the roots kind of thing.
00:20:19.087 --> 00:20:19.517
Uh huh.
00:20:19.517 --> 00:20:25.734
Yeah, I think he likes the structure and it works out pretty well because he's got more of the, the benefits and steady and, and whatnot.
00:20:25.734 --> 00:20:26.884
And then mine's obviously.
00:20:27.190 --> 00:20:27.589
Here and there.
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Can you take off Fridays and, uh, Mmm, he, no, honestly, it's Monday through Friday.
00:20:33.609 --> 00:20:33.819
Okay.
00:20:34.190 --> 00:20:34.400
Yeah.
00:20:34.400 --> 00:20:36.623
Sorry, I was going to make a bad joke about that last comment.
00:20:36.623 --> 00:20:38.049
I figured you were going to go for it.
00:20:38.049 --> 00:20:39.640
No, I just decided to leave that one alone.
00:20:40.430 --> 00:20:41.799
Yeah, I already called you an old lady, so.
00:20:41.799 --> 00:20:43.599
Yeah, let's not go any further.
00:20:44.589 --> 00:20:51.630
So, um, when we left off, uh, you know, back there in January of 01, it was, Yeah.
00:20:51.630 --> 00:20:51.694
Yeah.
00:20:51.845 --> 00:20:58.595
You know, COVID nation, you had seen a lot of growth at that time, but I didn't know anything about like a second location and Windsor stuff.
00:20:58.835 --> 00:21:03.535
Maybe that's where we could pick up the, the trail of the last few years in your business journey.
00:21:03.545 --> 00:21:04.275
Does that make sense?
00:21:04.365 --> 00:21:05.045
Yeah, sure.
00:21:05.075 --> 00:21:10.325
So, you know, I mean, it's, it's relatively stayed the same since the beginning, which is kind of cool, right?
00:21:10.335 --> 00:21:13.605
To know that like the mission is the same in the heartbeat and the vision.
00:21:13.884 --> 00:21:14.085
It's true.
00:21:14.224 --> 00:21:21.914
It's obviously changed and developed, um, and pieces that I've definitely learned that don't work and pieces that do work and whatnot.
00:21:21.924 --> 00:21:26.444
But, um, since then we purchased our, our location in Windsor.
00:21:26.474 --> 00:21:32.875
Um, and I was able to finally make that, that space that I've always wanted, where it's a very welcoming, it's a beautiful space.
00:21:32.875 --> 00:21:37.684
It's got, um, an infrared sauna in both of our locations now, and it's just more like warm and welcoming.
00:21:37.684 --> 00:21:38.805
And it doesn't feel clinical.
00:21:38.805 --> 00:21:42.884
It doesn't feel like a doctor's office, which was something that I, I really wanted to make sure.
00:21:43.500 --> 00:21:45.940
Um, so that was, that was a pretty cool milestone.
00:21:45.940 --> 00:21:48.190
If I'm a member, can I just use the Infrared sauna whenever I want?
00:21:48.369 --> 00:21:49.029
Come on in.
00:21:49.029 --> 00:21:49.160
Yeah.
00:21:49.490 --> 00:21:49.829
Yeah.
00:21:49.829 --> 00:21:50.230
Yeah.
00:21:50.230 --> 00:21:50.839
I'm not a member yet.
00:21:52.910 --> 00:21:56.960
Um, yeah, we, yeah, we do, uh, packages through there too, but, um.
00:21:57.309 --> 00:21:58.990
And so, so that happened.
00:21:59.000 --> 00:22:03.920
And then we grew quite a bit with the mental wealth, uh, mental health in the workplace program.
00:22:03.940 --> 00:22:06.279
And that's been, that's been really good.
00:22:06.289 --> 00:22:17.630
So that's honestly been probably the biggest, um, I don't know, like change factor in the company is, is when we get new contracted employers.
00:22:17.630 --> 00:22:20.890
I mean, it, it grows us by, it grows significantly.
00:22:20.900 --> 00:22:20.990
Yeah.
00:22:20.990 --> 00:22:23.880
Each one might be a 10 percent increase in your overall.
00:22:23.900 --> 00:22:40.660
Um, and then we, we take their, we, we listen to the workplace, we listen to what their pain points are, and then we really handcraft a package that makes sense for them based on their demographics, based on their pain points, based on, um, their, uh, commonalities that we base data with.
00:22:40.994 --> 00:22:41.224
Yeah.
00:22:41.224 --> 00:22:45.204
That's typically your Rainmaker role in that is those new employer contracts and contacts.
00:22:45.295 --> 00:22:45.684
Yep.
00:22:45.865 --> 00:22:46.164
Yep.
00:22:46.164 --> 00:22:47.434
So then we go out and grow that.
00:22:47.434 --> 00:22:59.525
And then, and then that took quite a bit of like, uh, we, we really had to clean up systems and, uh, create the website and the membership programs and, um, the online we're launching an app in the new year.
00:22:59.525 --> 00:23:01.765
And so there's just a lot of things that we had to clean up.
00:23:01.765 --> 00:23:08.025
So that way, again, our mission is to be simple and accessible for these employees, all of our clients, but especially the employers.
00:23:08.045 --> 00:23:14.829
Um, And so we had to do a lot of things on the back end to make sure that it is indeed simple and accessible for these clients to book.
00:23:14.839 --> 00:23:20.980
Well, and a lot of health regulations around information and data and handling all that and stuff too, right?
00:23:20.980 --> 00:23:26.329
So that's part of your role is to make sure, if you're not the tech person, make sure somebody is to make sure that all works together.
00:23:26.750 --> 00:23:27.829
Can I ask about the app?
00:23:28.079 --> 00:23:28.329
Yeah.
00:23:28.329 --> 00:23:28.630
Yeah.
00:23:28.630 --> 00:23:30.250
So is that in the member app?
00:23:30.269 --> 00:23:31.380
Is it a white label?
00:23:31.380 --> 00:23:31.710
Is it?
00:23:31.710 --> 00:23:32.680
What's it?
00:23:32.680 --> 00:23:35.009
So it's, um, it's going to be through our membership.
00:23:35.009 --> 00:23:42.599
So then we, the community, any, anybody that wants to come in for therapy, they have the option of joining the membership and then that gives them discounted therapy with us.
00:23:42.599 --> 00:23:44.579
And it also gives them discounted sauna.
00:23:44.579 --> 00:23:50.789
And then we're partnered with, we're still partnered with about 50 local, um, self care businesses in the area.
00:23:50.869 --> 00:23:51.309
Acupuncture, massage.
00:23:51.309 --> 00:23:52.789
Discounted massages, whatever.
00:23:52.789 --> 00:23:52.829
Yeah.
00:23:52.829 --> 00:23:52.845
Yeah.
00:23:53.154 --> 00:23:53.785
All of that.
00:23:53.785 --> 00:23:55.055
And so it gives them all of that.
00:23:55.055 --> 00:24:04.295
And then now we'll have the app on, on our phones to be able to have, um, free courses and then significantly dis discounted courses online as well.
00:24:04.365 --> 00:24:09.654
And even also reminders of here's your discount on these various member benefits kind of thing and stuff.
00:24:09.694 --> 00:24:10.154
Exactly.
00:24:10.154 --> 00:24:11.464
And we'll bring in self care experts.
00:24:11.474 --> 00:24:17.105
So did you just create that or yeah, that's those are really, they're not as expensive as they used to be.
00:24:17.285 --> 00:24:19.994
It's, um, through Kajabi, that's my website domain.
00:24:20.434 --> 00:24:21.454
I think, isn't that what you guys use?
00:24:21.494 --> 00:24:22.315
I used to use it.
00:24:22.315 --> 00:24:22.954
You used to use it.
00:24:23.214 --> 00:24:23.325
Yeah.
00:24:23.615 --> 00:24:25.865
Um, so it's all under that.
00:24:25.865 --> 00:24:28.234
Oh, they have like a house app kind of thing now.
00:24:28.384 --> 00:24:29.105
I see.
00:24:29.154 --> 00:24:29.875
Okay, cool.
00:24:29.884 --> 00:24:32.515
So it's, it's, if, if I can do it, anyone can do it.
00:24:32.575 --> 00:24:33.255
I would say that.
00:24:33.345 --> 00:24:34.961
Um, so it's, it's a lot more doable.
00:24:34.961 --> 00:24:36.473
You're mostly feeding the information into the slot.
00:24:36.473 --> 00:24:36.663
Yep.
00:24:36.663 --> 00:24:36.852
Yep.
00:24:36.852 --> 00:24:37.040
Yep.
00:24:37.040 --> 00:24:37.230
Exactly.
00:24:37.230 --> 00:24:39.498
Very similar to how you would, you would create your, yeah, exactly.
00:24:39.498 --> 00:24:41.964
A Squarespace or a Kajabi website, whatever.
00:24:42.035 --> 00:24:42.605
Okay, cool.
00:24:42.664 --> 00:24:42.855
Yeah.
00:24:43.095 --> 00:24:45.065
Um, well that sounds like a nice benefit.
00:24:45.095 --> 00:24:45.345
Yeah.
00:24:45.345 --> 00:24:46.335
And probably could.
00:24:46.859 --> 00:24:55.579
Expand utilization of that, because it feels like you've kind of left that to grow if it grows, but not really promoted it too much.
00:24:55.829 --> 00:25:03.960
And then pretty much, yeah, because our employees that we're contracted with, um, they all get free memberships.
00:25:04.049 --> 00:25:07.029
So that's part of the partnership with the, with the employer.
00:25:07.079 --> 00:25:07.539
Interesting.
00:25:07.559 --> 00:25:12.910
And so it has a lot of traction and there's a lot of movement on the, on the, on the membership piece.
00:25:12.940 --> 00:25:15.279
But, um, we're realizing that we want it to be.
00:25:15.960 --> 00:25:22.390
We want it to be more quality content, and we really do want to be able to give out more information on mental health and courses in particular.
00:25:22.390 --> 00:25:29.160
So everything from suicide awareness to DBT to perinatal mental health, um, Should Loco Think Tank be one of your partners?
00:25:29.160 --> 00:25:29.809
Loco Think Tank should be one of our partners.
00:25:29.809 --> 00:25:39.450
You could have a, you know, some kind of a member discount for that because it is, I assume you would agree, uh, good for your mental health if you're a business owner to be in a place like this.
00:25:39.460 --> 00:25:40.109
Oh, totally.
00:25:40.390 --> 00:25:41.579
I could not agree more.
00:25:42.519 --> 00:25:43.059
Yeah, yep.
00:25:43.255 --> 00:25:44.055
It's definitely a saving grace.
00:25:44.055 --> 00:25:44.365
Yeah.
00:25:44.365 --> 00:25:45.505
Well, we can talk about that.
00:25:45.505 --> 00:25:45.755
Yeah.
00:25:45.755 --> 00:25:51.605
It's probably stand out from the rest of your, uh, vacations and hair and nails and kind of all those things.
00:25:51.625 --> 00:25:54.835
But, uh, you know, we're an open door for that kind of thing.
00:25:55.585 --> 00:25:58.964
Um, I had the question I was going to ask, but then it slipped my mind.
00:25:59.375 --> 00:26:01.275
I want to eventually talk about neurofeedback.
00:26:01.365 --> 00:26:02.194
Oh yeah, let's do.
00:26:02.835 --> 00:26:06.184
Um, well, let's just go into it now.
00:26:06.414 --> 00:26:08.474
So I want to talk about some of the other things you mentioned.
00:26:08.565 --> 00:26:17.674
Um, I'm a, uh, I don't know if I'm an aficionado, but I've learned a little bit about the, uh, what's that called?
00:26:18.275 --> 00:26:20.255
Platform you use the Enneagram.
00:26:20.259 --> 00:26:21.065
Enneagram, yes.
00:26:21.154 --> 00:26:23.434
Um, and then you talked about neurofeedback.
00:26:23.434 --> 00:26:23.494
Yeah.
00:26:23.585 --> 00:26:27.035
And the, the, the, the trauma zapper thing.
00:26:27.035 --> 00:26:27.450
ENDR.
00:26:28.309 --> 00:26:29.089
No, zapping.
00:26:30.305 --> 00:26:30.934
Is that Zappy?
00:26:30.934 --> 00:26:33.065
I thought it's, uh, like flasher or something.
00:26:33.065 --> 00:26:33.930
Like It could be, yes.
00:26:34.234 --> 00:26:34.805
Something like that.
00:26:35.434 --> 00:26:36.125
Neurofeedback kind of thing.
00:26:36.684 --> 00:26:38.464
Yeah, I can explain further.
00:26:39.025 --> 00:26:39.505
Of course.
00:26:39.644 --> 00:26:39.944
Of course.
00:26:39.944 --> 00:26:40.775
No, I'm already done.
00:26:41.095 --> 00:26:42.595
I've encapsulated it for you.
00:26:42.805 --> 00:26:43.224
Uh, yeah.
00:26:43.404 --> 00:26:45.984
So let's, let's start with the neurofeedback.
00:26:46.184 --> 00:26:46.255
Yeah.
00:26:46.255 --> 00:26:49.765
That seemed like something that was, uh, you were kind of becoming an expert in that space.
00:26:50.144 --> 00:26:50.575
Yeah.
00:26:50.644 --> 00:26:51.845
No, it's been such a fun experience.
00:26:51.934 --> 00:26:54.335
fun, new modality for me.
00:26:54.375 --> 00:26:57.734
Um, it's, um, I think I'm going to be the forever learner.
00:26:57.734 --> 00:26:59.815
I think that's just part of how I'm wired.
00:26:59.855 --> 00:27:07.575
Um, and so I had, I kept hearing wind of this catching wind of this idea of neurofeedback and transparently they don't, they don't teach us this at all.
00:27:07.595 --> 00:27:08.204
At least they didn't.
00:27:08.920 --> 00:27:11.269
Ten years ago, because I'm an old lady, apparently.
00:27:11.829 --> 00:27:19.519
Ten years ago, when I got my master's, they really don't talk about the neurology and the neurofeedback and the different modalities, um, of the true brain.
00:27:19.519 --> 00:27:22.069
It's, it's really talking about the, the therapy of it.
00:27:22.079 --> 00:27:25.559
There's a book I read by David Engel that's named The Brain.
00:27:25.619 --> 00:27:26.000
Yeah, yeah.
00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:27.299
And it's all about neuroplasticity.
00:27:27.970 --> 00:27:28.319
Yeah, yeah, yes.
00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:29.069
And that kind of thing.
00:27:29.069 --> 00:27:30.000
You've probably read the same.
00:27:30.900 --> 00:27:34.849
So I knew this and, and I was like, man, I really want to know more information about this.
00:27:35.119 --> 00:27:42.950
And I love being able to offer our clients, our community different modalities because there are going to be the clients who don't want to do therapy.
00:27:42.990 --> 00:27:45.549
They don't want to sit down and talk about it, which I get, I honor.
00:27:45.930 --> 00:27:52.759
Um, and there's also going to be those that, Um, I would, I guess I could summarize it just aren't willing or able.
00:27:52.769 --> 00:28:02.910
They're not able to go there either because they got so much stuff going on or their brain so locked down that they're not willing or able to get into the talk therapy that could support them in the trauma really for whatever it is.
00:28:03.460 --> 00:28:07.140
Um, so neurofeedback, uh, the one I got trained in is called lens.
00:28:07.140 --> 00:28:09.240
It's low energy neurofeedback system.
00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:11.914
So I just went in September, beginning of September, went out to the clinic.
00:28:13.775 --> 00:28:14.944
Imagine like a shock collar for humans?
00:28:15.424 --> 00:28:15.755
Nope.
00:28:16.795 --> 00:28:16.984
Alright.
00:28:18.494 --> 00:28:19.954
That would be effective for me.
00:28:20.714 --> 00:28:21.704
Well, we'll know now.
00:28:22.055 --> 00:28:22.535
We'll tell Alma.
00:28:25.740 --> 00:28:30.109
And basically the idea is that we know our brain has the chemical system, right?
00:28:30.109 --> 00:28:32.470
And we also know that our brain has the electrical system.
00:28:32.509 --> 00:28:38.619
And so what we need to do is, well, all too often we're addressing the chemical system, right?
00:28:38.890 --> 00:28:41.099
You know, obviously antidepressants and things like that.
00:28:41.109 --> 00:28:41.950
SSRIs.
00:28:41.950 --> 00:28:43.059
Yep, exactly.
00:28:43.059 --> 00:28:44.690
Which there is a time and space for that.
00:28:44.710 --> 00:28:45.549
Absolutely.
00:28:45.789 --> 00:29:00.150
Um, but what I believe and what we believe in neurofeedback is that if we address the electrical system, then that is the true root cause of whatever's going on, the symptom, the depression, anxiety, it's an electrical signal that's telling the chemicals to do what they're doing.
00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:00.799
Exactly.
00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:01.200
In some way.
00:29:01.259 --> 00:29:01.490
Yeah.
00:29:01.490 --> 00:29:07.589
And so if we can get to that electrical system, we can have a longer lasting effect and more efficiently and without the side effects.
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:08.000
Right.
00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:09.400
Um.
00:29:09.674 --> 00:29:11.075
So, so that's the nuance.
00:29:11.075 --> 00:29:11.714
And how do you do it?
00:29:11.755 --> 00:29:12.025
Yeah.
00:29:12.045 --> 00:29:17.244
So then we have this system, um, that we're able to hook our clients up with.
00:29:17.585 --> 00:29:19.994
Um, there are electrodes that we just put on the brain sites.
00:29:19.994 --> 00:29:23.464
So we have 21 brain sites that we will eventually get a full map with.
00:29:23.555 --> 00:29:23.775
Okay.
00:29:23.974 --> 00:29:30.244
Um, and then it's measuring, it's just capturing that electrical, um, signal in a moment of time.
00:29:30.244 --> 00:29:31.884
And then what lens does.
00:29:31.894 --> 00:29:33.164
Like while you talk to them and stuff?
00:29:33.164 --> 00:29:35.605
No, so really they're just sitting there with their eyes closed.
00:29:35.724 --> 00:29:35.964
Okay.
00:29:36.045 --> 00:29:38.315
Very passive participation for the client.
00:29:38.694 --> 00:29:39.880
Um, I thought about it.
00:29:39.880 --> 00:29:43.309
I was like, how fun would it be to, to hook you up when we're in podcasts?
00:29:43.309 --> 00:29:43.980
We should have done that.
00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:44.750
Yeah, for sure.
00:29:44.930 --> 00:29:48.329
Um, so then the client just sits there and closes their eyes.
00:29:48.329 --> 00:29:53.119
We capture this information and what Lens does is sends that information back to the brain.
00:29:53.500 --> 00:29:58.420
And so the difference between Lens and a traditional neurofeedback is it's mirroring that information.
00:29:58.420 --> 00:29:59.759
Should be called mirror instead of Lens.
00:29:59.769 --> 00:30:00.299
Exactly.
00:30:01.035 --> 00:30:03.255
Yeah, but it was developed by Dr.
00:30:03.424 --> 00:30:04.204
Lynn's Oaks.
00:30:04.244 --> 00:30:06.265
Oh, so that's played play on that.
00:30:06.265 --> 00:30:12.125
But And then it's mirroring that back and just and just like you said we have neuroplasticity in her brain.
00:30:12.125 --> 00:30:13.664
It's malleable It can be changed.
00:30:13.664 --> 00:30:23.845
So then the brain wants to self regulate So by mirroring that back by giving that information back to the brain, it's able to lift what we call a suppression And so it's kind of like this.
00:30:24.384 --> 00:30:30.130
It's that white knuckle tight Uh, sorry, we've had a Buxelder bug, uh, invasion around here this fall.
00:30:30.390 --> 00:30:36.480
It's that fight or flight white knuckle tight right grip that the brain can have based on, it could be a number of things.
00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:37.829
It could be bumps on the head, right?
00:30:37.829 --> 00:30:48.150
If you got hit in the head, if you had a TBI traumatic brain injury, or if you had trauma as a kid, um, or as an adult, our brains hold onto that information and it, and it holds it.
00:30:48.150 --> 00:30:49.460
And it's this white knuckle tight.
00:30:50.214 --> 00:30:53.654
And it says, do everything I got to, I have to protect my human.
00:30:53.654 --> 00:30:56.835
I'm never going to let go of this because I need to protect my human.
00:30:56.984 --> 00:30:57.744
That's what the brain says.
00:30:58.464 --> 00:31:09.045
What we, what we need to teach the brain is it doesn't have to hold on so tight that if we release this, if we lift that suppression and we're able to be more high function, all the things, right.
00:31:09.075 --> 00:31:14.509
I like to say about kind of our, Membership and just the, the cultural approach at Loco.
00:31:14.509 --> 00:31:16.769
If you, if you love somebody, hold them loosely.
00:31:16.819 --> 00:31:17.609
Yeah, truly.
00:31:17.619 --> 00:31:17.819
Yes.
00:31:17.849 --> 00:31:36.835
And then the brain kind of thing that you just, and even I talk about it as it relates to the union, you know, in this post traumatic Trump, uh, you know, thing coming on, well, you know, the one thing that we can do as America to, Care less about who the president is is make the president's job less important.
00:31:36.835 --> 00:31:45.105
Yeah And loosen the ties that bind between the states that you know, yeah, don't like each other's policies and principles.
00:31:45.194 --> 00:31:51.525
Yeah Yeah, and just work on our own self our own mental health.
00:31:51.525 --> 00:32:01.964
I mean, yes reactions our own Worry about yourself, you know, I, there's just, I've got that little girl's video in my mind, that old viral, worry about yourself.
00:32:02.214 --> 00:32:03.164
She's telling her dad.
00:32:04.085 --> 00:32:04.755
It's kind of that.
00:32:05.095 --> 00:32:05.704
Well, and we.
00:32:05.900 --> 00:32:25.240
We, we all look at, you know, going back to lenses, uh, too many of us, our lens to the world now is only occasionally filled in a one on one personal basis, but the rest of the lens is the screen of your phone and your computer, uh, which creates its own set of anxieties.
00:32:25.660 --> 00:32:26.349
Absolutely.
00:32:26.380 --> 00:32:26.539
Yeah.
00:32:26.539 --> 00:32:26.990
Interesting.
00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:27.359
Absolutely.
00:32:27.630 --> 00:32:28.529
So, so.
00:32:29.119 --> 00:32:34.579
So, why does a person that would be resistant to counseling otherwise, why are they willing to do this neurofeedback thing?
00:32:34.579 --> 00:32:38.180
Just because of the, it's easy, it's not quite as threatening, you just plug it in and go.
00:32:38.180 --> 00:32:39.019
Yep, exactly.
00:32:39.019 --> 00:32:40.720
It's such passive participation.
00:32:40.740 --> 00:32:44.579
So, EMDR, it's um, the trauma based therapy I mentioned earlier.
00:32:44.579 --> 00:32:44.900
Yeah.
00:32:45.049 --> 00:32:52.359
It's, it's intense, it's emotionally draining, it's, you have to go more, there's, there's modalities.
00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:55.509
I'm thinking like clockwork orange kind of stuff is how I imagine EMDR.
00:32:56.410 --> 00:32:58.039
Do you know what's a clockwork orange?
00:32:58.599 --> 00:33:00.099
Oh, you need to watch a clockwork orange.
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:07.339
It's an old, uh, uh, hippie kind of crazy, uh, you know, eat some mushrooms and watch a kind of a movie.
00:33:09.529 --> 00:33:09.859
Okay.
00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:12.970
Um, but so that's.
00:33:12.984 --> 00:33:16.835
It's so intense that some people are just not able or willing to get there and it's uncomfortable.
00:33:16.845 --> 00:33:17.174
It is.
00:33:17.174 --> 00:33:17.914
It's uncomfortable.
00:33:17.934 --> 00:33:20.694
It, it serves a purpose and it's going to be better in the end.
00:33:21.035 --> 00:33:25.244
Um, but this neurofeedback is, is just truly allowing brain optimization.
00:33:25.244 --> 00:33:28.325
I mean, that's at the end of the day with, with a passive participation.
00:33:28.335 --> 00:33:29.845
So do you change the signal then?
00:33:30.164 --> 00:33:30.454
No.
00:33:30.525 --> 00:33:31.444
First you mirrored it.
00:33:31.484 --> 00:33:37.755
Oh, but the brain just takes that signal and it's like, Oh, I'm looking a little low in quadrant number 37 or whatever.
00:33:37.755 --> 00:33:38.035
Yeah.
00:33:38.085 --> 00:33:38.275
Yep.
00:33:38.315 --> 00:33:39.355
The 21 sites.
00:33:39.684 --> 00:33:41.674
So I'll give my own brain example.
00:33:41.674 --> 00:33:42.035
All right.
00:33:42.109 --> 00:34:00.049
So I went out there and I got, um, got the training and of course we were doing it on ourselves and I was telling my husband weeks leading to this, I was like, man, I'm so excited about this because I am, the brain fog was just really, really significant for me there for a while where I just wasn't remembering things and word recall was really difficult for me.
00:34:00.049 --> 00:34:03.335
And there's just a lot of signals that I was, Concerned about it.
00:34:03.335 --> 00:34:06.025
And so, so I was like, well, I'm really looking forward to this.
00:34:06.065 --> 00:34:14.215
And then I did, um, I did a handful of sites, especially on my frontal lobe, which is executive functioning, which is word recall and all of those things.
00:34:14.635 --> 00:34:21.485
Um, and they were all in the frequency, which was, uh, the Delta state, which is basically a deep sleep.
00:34:21.864 --> 00:34:23.445
So I was walking around.
00:34:23.945 --> 00:34:32.014
Basically, sleepwalking, my frontal lobe was in Delta, um, and it was very locked down, which means, so there wasn't any, um, it was very suppressed.
00:34:32.014 --> 00:34:32.454
Yeah, yeah.
00:34:32.454 --> 00:34:33.675
There wasn't any variability.
00:34:33.804 --> 00:34:35.315
Inflexible, exactly.
00:34:35.735 --> 00:34:46.195
And, so then, when I needed to be activated in, in presenting or speaking on a podcast or presenting in front of Weld County employees or whatever it may be, I was really struggling because, you know.
00:34:46.454 --> 00:34:48.054
My frontal lobe was in Delta state.
00:34:48.594 --> 00:34:55.635
Um, and so now that I've done it several times, you can see, we even have the maps that we're able to print out and now you can see my frontal lobe is.
00:34:55.744 --> 00:34:56.945
Oh, you're making me want to do this.
00:34:56.954 --> 00:34:57.815
It's cool.
00:34:57.824 --> 00:34:58.735
It's really cool.
00:35:00.184 --> 00:35:03.855
I've had like, interesting, like sleepy.
00:35:04.199 --> 00:35:04.480
Mm.
00:35:04.500 --> 00:35:05.059
Lately.
00:35:05.110 --> 00:35:13.780
Like, not brain, I'm kind of like brain fog, I suppose, but where I just want to rest a little bit in the middle of the day kind of thing and not really think or do for a little bit.
00:35:14.090 --> 00:35:15.099
And that's not been my.
00:35:15.349 --> 00:35:16.119
That's not your normal.
00:35:16.130 --> 00:35:16.579
Normal.
00:35:16.579 --> 00:35:17.000
That's not your status quo.
00:35:17.050 --> 00:35:18.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:35:18.099 --> 00:35:18.920
Yeah, I can see that.
00:35:19.315 --> 00:35:26.525
Um, that's an interesting, well and I, so I took some, uh, LearningRx, are you familiar with that?
00:35:26.914 --> 00:35:28.824
They're not too far from your offices over there.
00:35:28.875 --> 00:35:30.574
Mike was a member forever.
00:35:30.704 --> 00:35:31.094
I remember that.
00:35:31.144 --> 00:35:47.869
Um, and he gave me his, like, had me do his testing stuff and I was all, like, basically like, not to brag, but I was like, 85 to 95 percent in all of these little categories, except for, uh, short term recall, and I was like 41%.
00:35:48.320 --> 00:35:49.010
Oh, interesting.
00:35:49.269 --> 00:35:50.820
Um, and I was like, well, but why?
00:35:50.820 --> 00:35:51.570
Do you see that?
00:35:51.570 --> 00:35:51.880
Is that true?
00:35:52.349 --> 00:35:53.070
I think so.
00:35:53.139 --> 00:35:53.510
Yeah.
00:35:53.510 --> 00:35:53.829
Yeah.
00:35:53.829 --> 00:35:58.210
Sometimes it's easier for me to remember a podcast that I did with somebody three years ago than it is.
00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:04.460
You know, to remember to grab the bananas on the way home from work, you know, or whatever.
00:36:05.070 --> 00:36:12.300
Um, even though Jill just texted me like five minutes before I left the office, you know, Hey, can you grab me some bananas on the way home?
00:36:13.519 --> 00:36:14.840
And partly maybe it's just resentment.
00:36:14.840 --> 00:36:18.539
Cause I'm just fucking get the bananas when you were out, you're out yesterday.
00:36:18.539 --> 00:36:21.300
Why do you, why do I need to make an extra stop for freaking bananas?
00:36:21.300 --> 00:36:24.920
I don't even care about bananas, but that's, that's in our marriage counseling session.
00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:25.559
That's good.
00:36:26.920 --> 00:36:27.699
Hey, we all need it.
00:36:29.269 --> 00:36:34.969
Um, so, so it's kind of a plug and play and how do you charge for it?
00:36:35.010 --> 00:36:38.019
Do you have to have a counselor there like in attendance for that?
00:36:38.019 --> 00:36:40.139
And it's just a little short, 15 minute kind of.
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:40.989
Yeah, no.
00:36:40.989 --> 00:36:41.619
So good question.
00:36:41.619 --> 00:36:44.079
So the way that we do it is it's an hour intake.
00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:52.579
So we bring the client in, we go over quite a bit of questionnaires because we need to figure out how much to quote unquote dose the person, um, how much to give them of the feedback, right?
00:36:52.940 --> 00:36:59.260
Um, because some people are going to be more discerning, more sensitive to, to external stimuli than others.
00:36:59.619 --> 00:37:04.429
Um, and so we need to figure that out through a series of questions and, and, um, and take paperwork.
00:37:04.829 --> 00:37:12.059
And then once we do that, then we, we typically will get the full map, the all 21 sites at the beginning of the session, again, depending on the client.
00:37:12.510 --> 00:37:18.434
And then from there, we have the map to be able to see, okay, hey, is, is all in Delta.
00:37:18.445 --> 00:37:20.324
We got to, we, and it's locked down.
00:37:20.335 --> 00:37:22.454
We really need to be able to lift that suppression.
00:37:22.864 --> 00:37:31.855
Um, and then we're able to notice some other of the, uh, other things, like some of them can be too, too much, uh, variability where it's, it's too reactive to things.
00:37:31.994 --> 00:37:37.585
Um, and so we're really assessing that map and figuring out what those pain points are of the client.
00:37:37.764 --> 00:37:38.005
What's the.
00:37:38.304 --> 00:37:39.574
symptoms they're noticing.
00:37:39.574 --> 00:37:42.905
So we're really just mapping all of that out with them in that first session.
00:37:43.264 --> 00:37:49.304
And then from there on out, um, it's about like eight to 12 sessions is kind of what's recommended is typically average.
00:37:49.724 --> 00:37:51.425
Um, you'll, you'll see results.
00:37:51.445 --> 00:37:55.755
You could, you can feel results even in the first session, but to be able to have that consistency.
00:37:56.215 --> 00:37:59.724
Um, and then about a 30 minute session is all it is after that.
00:37:59.724 --> 00:38:01.425
So then they're just coming in, being able to.
00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:07.239
And are you like, like, is the frontal lobe is, is in a Delta state or whatever?
00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:13.530
Like you mentioned, can you like turn up the, the feedback power on that portion and back it off on those other spots?
00:38:13.849 --> 00:38:14.880
We really want to do that.
00:38:14.940 --> 00:38:17.420
No, the brain, gosh, the brain is so cool.
00:38:17.429 --> 00:38:21.789
Like it is, it does pure information and it will do with it what it will.
00:38:21.820 --> 00:38:22.639
Yep, exactly.
00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:23.730
And even if.
00:38:23.744 --> 00:38:25.574
So we, that's why we do the full map.
00:38:25.585 --> 00:38:28.675
Even if somebody came in and was like, I'm only worried about the frontal lobe.
00:38:29.054 --> 00:38:35.925
Um, we would still do the full map because your occipital lobe is very much connected to your frontal lobe and, and vice versa.
00:38:36.074 --> 00:38:37.945
So we would still do the full map no matter what.
00:38:38.355 --> 00:38:42.715
Um, And then we may just see like, okay, after five sessions, you know, you're doing good.
00:38:42.715 --> 00:38:47.364
Let's do, let's reduce to once a month and then once a quarter and just little, little checkups.
00:38:47.364 --> 00:38:52.054
If there's like a targeted outcome at the end that you're just kind of feeling better about things.
00:38:52.315 --> 00:38:55.925
This is a depression breaker mostly, or what are we searching for?
00:38:55.925 --> 00:38:57.025
It's totally up to the client.
00:38:57.025 --> 00:38:58.755
So we, we identify at least three.
00:38:58.795 --> 00:39:03.144
three or like two to four different, um, pain points that they have.
00:39:03.465 --> 00:39:05.945
And based on those pain points, that's what we're looking for.
00:39:05.945 --> 00:39:09.784
So, um, depression, fatigue, and brain fog.
00:39:09.824 --> 00:39:13.195
That could be a client's pretty, pretty typical, you know, uh, reports.
00:39:13.875 --> 00:39:14.135
Yeah.
00:39:14.505 --> 00:39:16.954
And then they come in and we scale it zero to 10.
00:39:16.965 --> 00:39:17.744
Where is it at?
00:39:17.764 --> 00:39:19.394
You know, eight, nine, seven.
00:39:19.954 --> 00:39:22.954
And then I'm asking questions like, well, how do you.
00:39:23.349 --> 00:39:27.280
How would you or your loved ones know that you're doing better in brain fog, right?
00:39:27.289 --> 00:39:30.510
How would you or your loved ones know that you aren't as fatigued?
00:39:30.860 --> 00:39:33.860
Um, and then they're able to say what they want out of it.
00:39:35.150 --> 00:39:39.559
Um, well, I would feel more confident in having conversations with people at work.
00:39:39.920 --> 00:39:45.710
I would, I would be able to get up out of bed and have energy to go on a walk or whatever that may be.
00:39:45.710 --> 00:39:48.710
So they're naming the things that they're really longing for on that appointment.
00:39:49.110 --> 00:39:50.579
Um, and then that's what we're looking for.
00:39:50.579 --> 00:39:53.380
So each checkup we're asking, okay, where are you at on that scale?
00:39:53.380 --> 00:39:54.699
Outcomes based ultimately.
00:39:54.900 --> 00:39:54.980
Yeah.
00:39:54.980 --> 00:39:55.650
Which is really.
00:39:56.019 --> 00:39:58.980
quite thrilling for a therapist because everything is so much greater.
00:40:00.710 --> 00:40:06.440
And so we actually have reports to be able to look at and, and, uh, some more scaling than usual.
00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:09.460
It's not kind of a self diagnosis of, okay, I'm feeling better.
00:40:09.530 --> 00:40:09.780
Yeah.
00:40:10.230 --> 00:40:10.469
Yeah.
00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:12.969
Which is, which is a lot of it.
00:40:12.969 --> 00:40:13.710
Let's be honest.
00:40:13.710 --> 00:40:15.929
I mean, the report is just capturing a moment of time.
00:40:16.230 --> 00:40:18.960
We want to know what that, what that client is going through, how they're feeling.
00:40:18.980 --> 00:40:23.639
personally experiencing it, um, and, and then that's, that's what my results were.
00:40:23.650 --> 00:40:36.469
Just at that, after that first few times I did it there, um, just a couple of times being able to come in and I, I was in a meeting with, um, with one of the, with, uh, uh, perspective and I just felt sharp.
00:40:36.510 --> 00:40:37.289
I felt clear.
00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:39.260
I would, my word recall was right on point.
00:40:39.289 --> 00:40:41.110
I was like, Whoa, I feel this.
00:40:41.110 --> 00:40:42.949
You know, typically it's hard to notice.
00:40:42.949 --> 00:40:48.090
It's like if I had a rock in my shoe, I would notice it all the time until I take the rock out of the shoe.
00:40:48.090 --> 00:40:49.590
And then I'm not even going to notice anything.
00:40:49.590 --> 00:40:49.860
Right.
00:40:50.150 --> 00:40:57.079
So it's, it's, it's really up to the client to be hyper aware and honestly, to have the buy in from their loved ones, that's going to be important too.
00:40:57.449 --> 00:41:04.074
And so even when I hooked my husband up, cause of course I do, um, um, For me to be able to say, Hey, you haven't been as droggy in the morning.
00:41:04.144 --> 00:41:05.114
Like I totally noticed that.
00:41:05.114 --> 00:41:08.315
And he's, and then he's able to say, Oh yeah, you might be right.
00:41:08.344 --> 00:41:11.195
Or you were more patient with the kids or, you know what I mean?
00:41:11.224 --> 00:41:13.824
I'm able to see things more than maybe he is in the vice versa.
00:41:13.885 --> 00:41:20.150
Are there any downsides or no, there really isn't no school shootings or nothing like that so far.
00:41:20.150 --> 00:41:20.862
Gosh, no.
00:41:20.862 --> 00:41:22.764
It seems like the SSRIs is pretty.
00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:24.500
Pretty much linked to all of those.
00:41:24.510 --> 00:41:28.949
I, that's why, like, if we can get away from that, my goodness.
00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:33.039
Make America healthy again with the electric zaps, not chemical zaps.
00:41:33.059 --> 00:41:33.449
Yes.
00:41:33.449 --> 00:41:42.909
If we can get to the root cause, the root cause of trauma, the root cause of depression or whatever, whatever that ailment is, the root cause of a TBI, right?
00:41:43.150 --> 00:41:47.539
Um, the, the number of, and I like, have you ever had a TBI or brain injury?
00:41:47.539 --> 00:42:09.139
I That's what I hear more often than not and then the client's like well I mean, yeah, like I played football all through school and I got knocked out cold I mean there was one time when, uh, when kids in the locker room, uh, had me by the feet Like two different kids had me by one foot each and I was holding on to the wall between the shower and the locker room.
00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:09.590
Yeah.
00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:12.179
That was like a four foot or five foot high wall.
00:42:12.679 --> 00:42:16.539
And then they pulled me off of the wall and my head came down and hit the concrete floor.
00:42:16.579 --> 00:42:17.590
Mm hmm.
00:42:17.590 --> 00:42:17.800
So, yes.
00:42:17.820 --> 00:42:18.280
Could have been.
00:42:18.280 --> 00:42:21.949
I had a big, big ol goose egg on the front of my forehead for a while.
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:23.099
Maybe.
00:42:23.099 --> 00:42:24.429
So, I would say so.
00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:27.039
Seems likely in reflection.
00:42:27.210 --> 00:42:29.469
Much more often than we think we've had.
00:42:30.269 --> 00:42:39.559
I don't know if we would classify them as a true TBI, but we have had brain injuries just from day to day, bumps on the head, things that we've gone through, our sports that we've played.
00:42:39.619 --> 00:42:42.329
Oh, and I've hit my top of my head cause I'm a tall guy.
00:42:42.820 --> 00:42:52.869
And like, I remember one time in particular, I, when I lived in Fargo during my college years, I was running up the stairs cause I was in a hurry cause I.
00:42:53.324 --> 00:43:11.969
I probably didn't have a date, but, um, but I was bringing my laundry basket up the stairs and it had like a low entry thing and I, you know, just as I stepped up, I just slammed my head directly squarely into the top and literally like fell down and saw stars and got back up a couple more times.
00:43:12.110 --> 00:43:17.750
Minute or two later, I mean, really, for sure.
00:43:18.070 --> 00:43:23.469
And so then what the brain does is it suppresses itself because it wants to protect its human, right?
00:43:23.469 --> 00:43:25.340
It wants to like, hold onto it.
00:43:25.340 --> 00:43:27.739
And, and that's a physical trauma, right?
00:43:27.929 --> 00:43:31.119
But the brain does the same thing over an emotional trauma as well.
00:43:31.170 --> 00:43:33.510
And so it's, it's, that's the job.
00:43:33.550 --> 00:43:36.070
The brain's number one job is to protect its human.
00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:37.409
And so we.
00:43:37.710 --> 00:43:41.059
We have to help it, but it's a helicopter mom.
00:43:41.059 --> 00:43:42.510
We don't want the helicopter mom.
00:43:42.510 --> 00:43:45.710
We want to have some freedom, that, that open hand mentality.
00:43:45.710 --> 00:43:46.000
Right?
00:43:46.030 --> 00:43:46.480
Right.
00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:48.730
Well, and I'm starting to think about substance abuse.
00:43:48.730 --> 00:44:27.565
I, you know, I offered you, uh, either, this is homegrown marijuana, if that matters, pure organic, um, but also the, the, the magic mushroom also opting out, but I appreciate it, but people use, use substances probably that like, Ultimately, it's almost like their subconscience of their brain protecting their human from all the, you know, the, the, the drama of either the drama or the, the, or the, just the boredom of regular old, not high life or whatever, but also the, because if, if we're locked down and if we saw Matt, like the maps that I'm talking about, then we would just be locked down in this like status quo, flat line.
00:44:27.585 --> 00:44:27.965
Right.
00:44:27.965 --> 00:44:28.385
Yeah.
00:44:28.599 --> 00:44:32.690
That, that it, and if it's in a Delta state, yeah, we need excitement.
00:44:32.690 --> 00:44:40.829
We need to be able to activate the joy from, we need to activate the fight or flight response, the sympathetic nervous system.
00:44:40.829 --> 00:44:41.099
Right.
00:44:41.519 --> 00:44:42.309
We need that.
00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:47.719
And so some people can't get into that because they're so locked down in parasympathetic or vice versa.
00:44:47.750 --> 00:44:52.750
So many people are, are constant in fight or flight that they can't rest and digest.
00:44:53.409 --> 00:44:54.905
And so we need, right.
00:44:55.195 --> 00:44:56.034
the ebb and flow.
00:44:56.034 --> 00:44:56.864
We need that.
00:44:56.875 --> 00:44:58.144
Like that's a good thing.
00:44:58.195 --> 00:45:07.969
Um, and I think we have, we have adapted substances or not or traumas or not, whatever it may be, but I think all too often we're just We're stuck.
00:45:08.119 --> 00:45:08.530
We're stuck.
00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:17.309
I, uh, am not just a podcast host, I'm also a podcast consumer and, uh, somebody was making a joke, you know, well, with Trump, it's going to be the same thing as with everybody else.
00:45:17.340 --> 00:45:43.175
Uh, you want to talk about mushrooms and ayahuasca and this and that, but, but like he's convinced that he was just talking with our vice president elect about, especially about, um, uh, the psychedelic mushrooms and Ketamine as it relates and there's one other chemical that's like, oh, I I've gain or I Bogdan e or some Ibogaine.
00:45:43.315 --> 00:45:53.894
Yeah, so Terribly disturbing experience like not recreational at all, but it gets a lot of people out of these kind of cycles of Trauma, apparently.
00:45:53.894 --> 00:45:57.335
And like, what's your professional perspective on that?
00:45:57.335 --> 00:45:58.485
Or is it just no enough?
00:45:58.514 --> 00:45:59.675
I really, truly don't.
00:45:59.704 --> 00:46:07.005
And I, I just haven't honestly, transparently, I haven't had the time to, to lean into it and to do the homework and figure it out.
00:46:07.054 --> 00:46:13.284
Um, I think the concept that from again, the little bit that I know is to be able to break.
00:46:13.485 --> 00:46:14.465
The stuckness, right?
00:46:14.465 --> 00:46:17.465
Break the cycle to be able to give yourself your own empathy.
00:46:17.534 --> 00:46:20.894
You're like, well, they could just do eight sessions of my neuro thingy here.
00:46:20.925 --> 00:46:21.445
Maybe.
00:46:21.974 --> 00:46:24.635
I mean, and I don't know to each their own, right?
00:46:24.635 --> 00:46:25.545
Whatever works for them.
00:46:25.545 --> 00:46:25.974
Truly.
00:46:25.974 --> 00:46:26.925
I believe in that.
00:46:26.945 --> 00:46:31.684
Um, again, I would, I would, I would want the thing that's, that doesn't have the side effect.
00:46:31.695 --> 00:46:35.914
I would want the thing that's not going to have a lasting negative effect potentially, right.
00:46:36.304 --> 00:46:39.715
Um, or become dependent on it, um, or use it as a crutch, et cetera.
00:46:39.784 --> 00:46:40.045
Sure.
00:46:40.114 --> 00:46:42.235
Um, So, I don't know enough.
00:46:42.235 --> 00:46:42.802
Yeah, yeah, fair enough.
00:46:42.802 --> 00:46:43.525
Yeah, I really don't.
00:46:43.764 --> 00:46:47.344
Um, uh, series suggestion, uh, Three Body Problem.
00:46:47.835 --> 00:46:47.985
Yeah.
00:46:48.005 --> 00:46:49.264
On Netflix, there's a new series.
00:46:49.335 --> 00:46:49.724
Oh, really?
00:46:49.755 --> 00:47:01.840
Um, and Uh, it's, I'm not in far enough to tell you the whole plot, but there's like somehow all the physicists of the world are like going crazy unless they stop practicing their craft.
00:47:02.320 --> 00:47:07.389
Like there's somebody trying to kill science virtually in this, uh, um, and.
00:47:09.090 --> 00:47:14.369
I guess the, the notion there is like the puzzle is always challenging, right?
00:47:14.460 --> 00:47:18.119
Um, but you've got a lot of optimism over this, uh, what do you call it?
00:47:18.119 --> 00:47:18.610
Neurofeedback?
00:47:18.650 --> 00:47:19.429
Neurofeedback.
00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:25.440
And is this like a captive, is there like one company that kind of controls this technology right now or has it patented?
00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:26.445
This one in particular.
00:47:26.445 --> 00:47:26.695
Yep.
00:47:26.695 --> 00:47:31.030
This one in particular is Oaks Labs, um, out there in San Francisco area.
00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:34.340
And, uh, And yeah, so they're the ones he's founded this.
00:47:34.340 --> 00:47:35.739
He created it back in the nineties.
00:47:35.739 --> 00:47:36.340
It's been around.
00:47:36.710 --> 00:47:36.969
Yep.
00:47:36.969 --> 00:47:38.539
So it's been around for a really long time.
00:47:38.889 --> 00:47:47.250
And the difference between like a traditional neurofeedback, which there's quite a bit of options out there for that, but that one's going to take more active participation from the client.
00:47:47.250 --> 00:48:01.389
So it'd be the similar and similar in the sense of, um, capturing that electrical wiring of the brain, that whatever, um, that information, but then the client is watching a video or audio recording and it's interrupting the pattern.
00:48:01.389 --> 00:48:08.139
So it's basically sending it more of an active interference into the pattern versus this one.
00:48:08.550 --> 00:48:12.440
And studies show that it's more effective because it's mirroring it back.
00:48:12.460 --> 00:48:22.965
And then that's what is giving the brain, um, Yeah, well, the brain adheres to the change more because it made it itself instead of getting kind of short circuited into it.
00:48:23.224 --> 00:48:24.025
Yeah, interesting.
00:48:24.675 --> 00:48:30.144
Um, anything else new and trendy in the world of, uh, brain understanding?
00:48:30.275 --> 00:48:34.059
Yeah, I mean, I think that How do you keep your the right plasticity.
00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:34.469
Yeah.
00:48:34.469 --> 00:48:34.989
Great question.
00:48:34.989 --> 00:48:41.300
So I, I'm now practicing neurofeedback on myself and I even have my, my husband and my kids hook me up, and it's great.
00:48:41.309 --> 00:48:42.019
And it's super fun.
00:48:42.360 --> 00:49:01.605
Um, but, uh, but honestly, like I, I know it's a, it's a broken record for me, but truly like consistent and proactive self care for me is critical and it, Yes, can be me going to my own therapist and talking through my stuff, but it's also going to be me waking up early, having quiet time before the hustle and bustle of little kids and the school demands and all the things.
00:49:01.635 --> 00:49:03.155
Friday's mostly sometimes off.
00:49:03.184 --> 00:49:03.554
Yes.
00:49:03.565 --> 00:49:12.485
Friday's off is really important for me to have a day, at least a day off with no appointments is really valuable, but also I'm very much an extrovert where I need to be out.
00:49:12.505 --> 00:49:14.554
I couldn't just be a, a stay at home mom.
00:49:14.625 --> 00:49:17.255
Like it would not be good for me or my kids or my husband.
00:49:17.255 --> 00:49:23.619
So, um, So knowing, knowing, I just, the self awareness of, of how I'm wired and who I am.
00:49:23.619 --> 00:49:29.139
And, and knowing that my, I'm an Enneagram three wing two, knowing that those things are really important to the helper.
00:49:29.349 --> 00:49:29.699
Yep.
00:49:29.929 --> 00:49:30.190
Yep.
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:34.380
Um, and practicing that and being proactive, right?
00:49:34.409 --> 00:49:42.280
So when I start to see like, Oh, I'm just a little more irritable or, um, I'm getting sick more often or whatever that is, then I make sure I sit in my infrared sauna.
00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:44.119
I make sure that I, I scheduled the time.
00:49:44.119 --> 00:49:49.170
I make sure I work out, um, go on runs and whatnot too, because that's And riding my horses.
00:49:49.170 --> 00:49:51.250
And, you know, I have the hobbies.
00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:53.329
Um, and I do believe that that's something that's.
00:49:53.599 --> 00:49:58.849
Important for me to, for I think everybody I would argue, but yeah, yeah, for sure.
00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:03.110
Um, would you like to ask me any questions?
00:50:03.449 --> 00:50:05.755
Oh, I was going to ask you, uh, I was going to ask you what you think.
00:50:06.485 --> 00:50:10.445
I probably shared this with you in our first podcast, but what would you guess my Enneagram to be?
00:50:10.635 --> 00:50:11.255
Oh, I did.
00:50:11.324 --> 00:50:11.815
I did.
00:50:11.974 --> 00:50:14.635
I do remember you asking that and I don't remember what I, what I said.
00:50:15.054 --> 00:50:16.664
Um, are you a seven?
00:50:16.965 --> 00:50:17.434
Do you know?
00:50:17.465 --> 00:50:18.184
Have you taken the assessment?
00:50:18.324 --> 00:50:18.644
I am.
00:50:18.644 --> 00:50:19.034
Yeah.
00:50:19.164 --> 00:50:20.594
Uh, seven predominant.
00:50:20.704 --> 00:50:23.414
Well, seven, eight are pretty much equal usually.
00:50:24.440 --> 00:50:24.829
That was right.
00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:25.920
I didn't listen.
00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:26.710
I didn't cheat, I promise.
00:50:26.849 --> 00:50:27.510
I didn't even listen to it.
00:50:27.989 --> 00:50:29.340
Um, but yeah, I could see that.
00:50:29.340 --> 00:50:33.969
Um, and I find it to be a really interesting platform as well.
00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:37.010
Your chapter, has your chapter done the Hallows thing?
00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:37.710
Yes.
00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:39.079
Okay, I thought so.
00:50:39.230 --> 00:50:40.289
Don't ask me what I am.
00:50:40.349 --> 00:50:41.199
Yeah, you don't remember.
00:50:41.250 --> 00:50:43.510
Oh, I'll have to dig that back out for you one of these days.
00:50:43.780 --> 00:50:51.960
I'm more of a compartmentalized, uh, like, I just remember, I have a lot of specialized knowledge and I remember certain things that are really important to day to day.
00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:52.269
Yeah, yeah.
00:50:52.360 --> 00:50:54.469
I don't have a lot of the general knowledge and memory.
00:50:54.860 --> 00:51:04.260
Well, I'd like to get you excited about Halos as well because it's got some, some similarities to the Enneagram and some things that are just kind of simpler and easier.
00:51:04.269 --> 00:51:04.449
Uh huh.
00:51:04.905 --> 00:51:15.375
Uh, to, uh, implement, I guess I would say, um, you know, uh, Enneagram is really exciting in theory, but it's kind of sometimes you gotta get deep before you start to really understand how to do stuff.
00:51:15.525 --> 00:51:15.804
Yeah.
00:51:15.905 --> 00:51:16.684
Uh, so anyway.
00:51:16.855 --> 00:51:17.045
Yeah.
00:51:17.045 --> 00:51:17.780
That's fine.
00:51:17.780 --> 00:51:19.250
Um, yeah, go ahead.
00:51:19.250 --> 00:51:19.985
Uh, okay.
00:51:19.985 --> 00:51:21.875
So what's going on with Loco Think Tank?
00:51:21.885 --> 00:51:22.545
Where, where are you at?
00:51:22.554 --> 00:51:23.155
How are you doing?
00:51:23.344 --> 00:51:24.355
I'm, you know, I'm okay.
00:51:24.385 --> 00:51:42.869
We're, we're about the same membership today as we were, Last year, this time, so that, well, it's good and I guess, you know, I've heard that from a lot of businesses that it's been a fight to stay the same size in 2024 revenue wise as they were in 2023, just some, you know, challenging marketplaces and whatever.
00:51:43.269 --> 00:51:48.400
Um, but after years of growing at least 10 or 15 percent every year, it feels like a L.
00:51:49.250 --> 00:51:52.159
To be honest, um, so that's okay.
00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:55.309
Uh, you know, I've been goofing around with my ambulance camper.
00:51:55.940 --> 00:51:56.670
I love that.
00:51:56.670 --> 00:51:57.130
That's good.
00:51:57.519 --> 00:52:00.829
We've been out there a lot, but it's broken right now.
00:52:00.829 --> 00:52:03.019
I'm trying to get it repaired.
00:52:03.019 --> 00:52:04.114
So that's good.
00:52:04.114 --> 00:52:07.400
And yeah, we're doing some of the EOS stuff.
00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:26.804
You know, Alma is a natural integrator and, um, allowing a, a, a, 21, almost 22 year old, the confidence to, to grow into that space of really being an integrator is, you know, uh, you know, I think she questions that more than I do, uh, but not that much, you know, she's confident.
00:52:26.815 --> 00:52:33.480
So that's been fun to see her grow a lot in the last year and a half, especially, um, I don't know.
00:52:33.690 --> 00:52:34.019
Yeah.
00:52:34.110 --> 00:52:35.539
You want to get into therapy questions?
00:52:35.730 --> 00:52:36.119
Sure.
00:52:36.179 --> 00:52:36.449
Sure.
00:52:36.489 --> 00:52:36.630
Yeah.
00:52:36.630 --> 00:52:42.739
Do you want to, do you want to just do a quick, uh, your first, uh, five minutes of a session with a prospective new client here?
00:52:42.739 --> 00:52:43.030
Oh yeah.
00:52:43.030 --> 00:52:45.730
I was going to ask those same questions of like, what's the pain points?
00:52:45.739 --> 00:52:49.090
What would you, what would you need more of?
00:52:49.090 --> 00:52:50.559
What do you long more of in your life right now?
00:52:50.599 --> 00:52:52.230
From a business focus?
00:52:52.230 --> 00:52:52.559
Personal.
00:52:52.730 --> 00:52:53.239
Personal.
00:52:53.269 --> 00:52:54.150
If you're willing to go there.
00:52:54.230 --> 00:52:54.690
Yeah.
00:52:55.210 --> 00:52:58.449
Um, you know, health is one thing I would like more of right now.
00:52:58.449 --> 00:52:59.929
My, my knee is.
00:53:00.429 --> 00:53:04.329
Inflamed and psoriatic, uh, psoriatic arthritis.
00:53:04.409 --> 00:53:04.679
Okay.
00:53:04.780 --> 00:53:10.559
And so, like, I can't really run very good or walk a long ways right now which is annoying.
00:53:10.570 --> 00:53:10.840
Yeah.
00:53:12.090 --> 00:53:12.849
What is there?
00:53:12.860 --> 00:53:13.730
I don't know enough about it.
00:53:13.730 --> 00:53:16.659
Is there, are there things to do to heal from this, to recover?
00:53:18.460 --> 00:53:19.179
Yeah.
00:53:19.239 --> 00:53:24.980
I mean, diet, you know, uh, for me, gluten is a trigger for it.
00:53:26.019 --> 00:53:28.239
It's I'm going to the beach here on Friday.
00:53:28.239 --> 00:53:30.570
So a lot of sun helps a lot with that.
00:53:30.570 --> 00:53:31.539
So that'll be good.
00:53:31.590 --> 00:53:31.860
Yeah.
00:53:32.139 --> 00:53:36.826
Um, alcohol, I'm not supposed to drink alcohol.
00:53:36.826 --> 00:53:39.498
It's not supposed to smoke either.
00:53:39.498 --> 00:53:42.090
So, you know, all the bad things.
00:53:42.219 --> 00:53:42.550
Yeah.
00:53:42.690 --> 00:53:47.400
Um, But mostly it's just patience and he's an auto autoimmune thing.
00:53:47.400 --> 00:53:54.639
So it'll stop attacking you as soon as you've kind of let it settle down Yeah, have you ever done an infrared sauna?
00:53:55.150 --> 00:54:07.730
I have yeah, actually I have That's one of the reasons that it caught my interest is because I've done that as a preventative in the past for I've mostly had my psoriasis arrive in Like skin for sure.
00:54:07.789 --> 00:54:15.480
Yucky skin kind of things and cracked lips one point in time I think maybe even at that time that we did that podcast I don't know.
00:54:15.500 --> 00:54:17.880
I remember one part of the COVID season.
00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:41.880
There was that so So but otherwise, you know, my sleep is pretty good relationship with Jill is pretty good we have great conversations and stuff We've got an exchange student but the I would say I'm at least a little bit depressed because just the last year is the first time I've really had physical limitations of consequence.
00:54:42.039 --> 00:54:42.300
Okay.
00:54:42.670 --> 00:54:42.889
Yeah.
00:54:42.889 --> 00:54:43.909
So that's annoying.
00:54:44.010 --> 00:54:44.940
Yeah, absolutely.
00:54:44.949 --> 00:54:46.119
How would you know it was better?
00:54:46.179 --> 00:54:48.630
What would you, how would you or your loved ones know it's better?
00:54:49.619 --> 00:54:50.250
Physical health.
00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:51.610
Just be able to do stuff.
00:54:52.019 --> 00:54:52.349
Like what?
00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:54.440
Like run if I wanted to.
00:54:54.579 --> 00:54:54.699
Okay.
00:54:54.820 --> 00:54:55.610
Are you, do you run?
00:54:55.610 --> 00:54:56.130
Are you a runner?
00:54:56.139 --> 00:54:56.719
I can't run right now.
00:54:56.719 --> 00:54:57.280
No, I have run.
00:54:57.280 --> 00:54:57.599
Typically.
00:54:57.610 --> 00:54:57.889
Yeah.
00:54:57.969 --> 00:55:02.260
I was a runner pretty consistently from 42 to 47, 48.
00:55:02.260 --> 00:55:02.570
Yeah.
00:55:02.610 --> 00:55:03.159
Good.
00:55:04.644 --> 00:55:05.494
Yeah, well I hope that.
00:55:05.534 --> 00:55:09.945
I mean, hopefully that's enough motivation to, to do the self care, right?
00:55:09.945 --> 00:55:10.335
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:55:10.335 --> 00:55:11.494
To do the things, to be able to help.
00:55:11.534 --> 00:55:13.565
I did have a win, uh, this past year.
00:55:13.565 --> 00:55:20.505
I, uh, about September of last year, I, uh, was here playing ping pong with some friends.
00:55:20.514 --> 00:55:20.534
Yeah.
00:55:20.585 --> 00:55:25.965
And I could, I was challenged and it was true that I could barely squeeze out 20 push ups.
00:55:26.155 --> 00:55:26.994
Oh, yeah.
00:55:27.005 --> 00:55:28.545
Uh, so that's pretty pathetic.
00:55:28.994 --> 00:55:29.525
Um.
00:55:29.525 --> 00:55:31.114
I don't, I wouldn't say pathetic, but.
00:55:31.114 --> 00:55:33.014
Well, for a dude, it's pretty pathetic.
00:55:33.394 --> 00:55:34.065
But I, but I.
00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:42.769
Worked my way up to 50, but by my 50th birthday, so I did 50, even 51 push ups, uh, just to prove it, um, last August.
00:55:42.920 --> 00:55:46.539
So, and I've done about 50 push ups since then.
00:55:46.639 --> 00:55:47.210
That's cool.
00:55:47.650 --> 00:55:48.070
Since then.
00:55:48.269 --> 00:55:49.329
Well, so do better.
00:55:49.369 --> 00:55:49.659
Do more.
00:55:49.659 --> 00:55:52.010
Yeah, I need to get back on the horse, you know.
00:55:52.010 --> 00:55:56.199
You know, one thing I, I But it doesn't, but it doesn't heal my knee and my knee needs rehab.
00:55:56.210 --> 00:55:57.960
Well, but I would say both, right?
00:55:57.960 --> 00:55:58.179
Right.
00:55:58.179 --> 00:56:03.980
Both and, um, One thing I did this year that I was just like, I want to do the things that are uncomfortable.
00:56:03.989 --> 00:56:04.329
Right.
00:56:04.659 --> 00:56:11.699
Because I think again, this soapbox of mine, we just get so complacent and so comfortable and everything's way too easy.
00:56:11.719 --> 00:56:12.039
Right.
00:56:12.090 --> 00:56:15.469
Um, so it just little things from the new year.
00:56:15.489 --> 00:56:17.519
Cause winter, winter months are not good for me.
00:56:17.550 --> 00:56:18.690
Winter months are tough.
00:56:19.090 --> 00:56:19.440
Yeah.
00:56:19.440 --> 00:56:19.949
Yeah.
00:56:19.949 --> 00:56:20.900
Just for a lot of reasons.
00:56:20.900 --> 00:56:24.099
But our hobbies, the things that we do love to do, we're not able to do.
00:56:24.119 --> 00:56:25.784
Uh, we don't ski, we don't do any of this stuff.
00:56:25.885 --> 00:56:27.905
The fun snow stuff in Colorado.
00:56:27.905 --> 00:56:31.034
But, um, so I learned how to solve a Rubik's cube.
00:56:31.335 --> 00:56:32.074
That was fun.
00:56:32.144 --> 00:56:35.474
Well, yeah, that was something that was uncomfortable that I challenged myself to do.
00:56:35.844 --> 00:56:48.215
Um, little things from like joining a volleyball league to like things that it took guts and bravery, like to, to step out of the comfort zone to do something, I think karaoke in Mexico once.
00:56:48.574 --> 00:56:50.385
I mean, it was awful, but you know what I mean?
00:56:50.394 --> 00:56:50.414
Yeah.
00:56:50.860 --> 00:56:56.940
Things that are ridiculous, but Learning and doing new things is Learning and doing new things and getting uncomfortable.
00:56:57.030 --> 00:56:57.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:56:57.699 --> 00:57:02.929
So what are some things that you would do What do you Do you need to get uncomfortable?
00:57:02.940 --> 00:57:04.440
Do you need to do things that are uncomfortable?
00:57:05.239 --> 00:57:05.530
I don't know.
00:57:05.559 --> 00:57:06.460
It's a good question.
00:57:06.539 --> 00:57:23.269
Um, you got me thinking a little bit like, like when we got the ping pong tables going or table going initially was COVID nation and either the, uh, the house rules is that you play with your left hand if you're up by five points or more.
00:57:23.530 --> 00:57:23.929
Oh, cool.
00:57:23.989 --> 00:57:28.230
And so at this point in time, I could probably crush you with my left hand, even though.
00:57:28.260 --> 00:57:28.960
I would probably guess.
00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:29.380
Yeah.
00:57:29.769 --> 00:57:34.250
And so that was kind of fun learning how to effectively play ping pong with my left hand.
00:57:34.250 --> 00:57:34.664
Okay.
00:57:34.815 --> 00:57:40.644
And my left hand, you know, I haven't advanced at all in the last couple of years, probably declined because I play far less.
00:57:40.684 --> 00:57:41.204
Yeah, yeah.
00:57:41.264 --> 00:57:58.820
Um, so yeah, is there something that would really make, you know, on, two things really, um, is, you know, I think I would be an effective, uh, stand up comic if I, Actually worked on my material and actually tried and stuff like that.
00:57:58.829 --> 00:57:59.900
That would be kind of fun.
00:58:00.030 --> 00:58:00.280
Yeah.
00:58:00.590 --> 00:58:03.679
Um, my wife is terrified of the things that I might say.
00:58:03.690 --> 00:58:05.639
I'm terrified for you because the anxiety.
00:58:05.639 --> 00:58:06.159
For her.
00:58:06.429 --> 00:58:11.530
I, no, just, just that idea of standing in front of people, but I think it's amazing.
00:58:11.530 --> 00:58:13.639
That's such a great example of getting uncomfortable.
00:58:13.650 --> 00:58:19.079
I'm confident I'm one of the funniest people I know in a live or improv conversational basis.
00:58:19.079 --> 00:58:20.090
Oh, I make people laugh all the time.
00:58:20.099 --> 00:58:20.429
Yeah.
00:58:21.394 --> 00:58:23.306
And I've never been up on a stage trying to make people do it.
00:58:23.306 --> 00:58:25.304
Oh my goodness, I think you, you know, you gotta do it.
00:58:25.974 --> 00:58:27.405
Um, yeah, so that's, I guess, one.
00:58:27.454 --> 00:58:28.324
That's the easier one.
00:58:28.335 --> 00:58:28.655
Okay, yeah.
00:58:28.864 --> 00:58:29.358
I think that should be done.
00:58:29.358 --> 00:58:30.784
I'd also like to learn how to play the guitar.
00:58:30.885 --> 00:58:36.784
You know, that's funny, cause I was trying to think of what my new 2025, um, uncomfortable goal was.
00:58:37.125 --> 00:58:42.159
And I think it would be to learn to I think playing a guitar would be amazing or some kind of a musical instrument.
00:58:42.170 --> 00:58:43.000
I don't, I don't have that.
00:58:43.050 --> 00:58:47.010
I have a guitar and I'm a, I'm a pretty good singer already.
00:58:47.599 --> 00:58:50.619
And it's just like, it would be nice to add the guitar to it.
00:58:50.650 --> 00:58:51.820
Then you can play the guitar and sing.
00:58:52.744 --> 00:58:53.894
So I'm holding you to it.
00:58:53.985 --> 00:58:54.474
Both?
00:58:54.525 --> 00:58:55.284
I'm not gonna do both.
00:58:55.335 --> 00:58:55.514
Yeah, why not?
00:58:56.775 --> 00:58:58.565
Um, because I'm busy.
00:58:59.135 --> 00:59:00.855
Like they both are gonna take a lot of time.
00:59:01.204 --> 00:59:03.914
I tried to learn how to play the guitar before and it was hard.
00:59:03.925 --> 00:59:04.494
It is hard.
00:59:05.085 --> 00:59:08.425
I got my daughter a ukulele just because she's little.
00:59:08.545 --> 00:59:09.025
It was little.
00:59:09.034 --> 00:59:09.454
I don't know.
00:59:09.644 --> 00:59:10.505
I don't know anything about it.
00:59:11.905 --> 00:59:13.014
And I thought, Oh, this would be fun.
00:59:13.014 --> 00:59:13.655
We'll do it together.
00:59:14.335 --> 00:59:15.375
We haven't touched it since.
00:59:15.375 --> 00:59:16.414
It was so hard.
00:59:16.425 --> 00:59:17.045
It's so annoying.
00:59:17.085 --> 00:59:18.614
You make all these stupid sounds.
00:59:19.534 --> 00:59:23.905
But somebody that can do it is like music is a really important thing in my life.
00:59:23.905 --> 00:59:24.675
I just love it.
00:59:24.675 --> 00:59:25.855
I need to listen to it more.
00:59:25.864 --> 00:59:37.235
And, uh, It's, I just have a lot of for that reason, I think that for two reasons, I think that if I could learn guitar, then I would have that.
00:59:37.824 --> 00:59:38.164
Right.
00:59:38.164 --> 00:59:40.954
And it would just be part of my toolkit.
00:59:40.954 --> 00:59:42.184
Yeah.
00:59:42.184 --> 00:59:55.804
And because my wife isn't excited about the improv comedy stand up kind of thing, at least for now, that'll go on a second word you're going to pick on her or Tell some secrets or what?
00:59:55.815 --> 01:00:11.695
No, I think, well, potentially pick on or reveal things or just be, you know, she's, she's a Christian son of her mother and daughter and very modest and stuff, so even things bordering on sexual innuendo are kind of over the line for her.
01:00:12.025 --> 01:00:12.114
Okay.
01:00:12.125 --> 01:00:16.750
You know, I have a great repertoire of that's what she said comments and, you know.
01:00:17.010 --> 01:00:20.139
Most of them don't really land with her as much.
01:00:22.070 --> 01:00:48.125
So there's that, and you know, just the, um, And I think, yeah, like, I don't think she, if there was a destination, like if all of a sudden I like blew up and because I'm such a funny comic, I get booked and now people start, you know, I get thousands, tens of thousands of downloads on my podcast, all of a sudden, you know, JD Vance wants to be in my podcast when he announces this 2028 run, right?
01:00:48.525 --> 01:00:51.125
And she just does not want that.
01:00:51.844 --> 01:00:55.934
And I think I could kind of surf that wave with some comfort.
01:00:55.949 --> 01:01:06.059
Mm-hmm Although I don't, you know, I kind of like being, having my guests be the star of the show, and so that's part of why I'm more comfortable in this chair than that one.
01:01:06.510 --> 01:01:06.599
Sure.
01:01:06.659 --> 01:01:13.670
Um, but you wouldn't, she wouldn't want the dis, she wouldn't want the optimal outcome necessarily.
01:01:13.670 --> 01:01:18.199
And so it's hard to say that, you know, whereas I'm not gonna start a band No.
01:01:18.199 --> 01:01:23.900
And go get famous and that I might become the, you know, uh, uh, uh, the house regular down at, uh.
01:01:24.429 --> 01:01:30.630
What's the Irish bar down there, um, in Old Town Square?
01:01:31.514 --> 01:01:32.204
Lucky Joe's.
01:01:32.250 --> 01:01:32.590
Oh yeah.
01:01:32.864 --> 01:01:32.985
Yeah.
01:01:32.985 --> 01:01:34.155
I could be like Lucky Joe's.
01:01:34.155 --> 01:01:34.155
Yeah.
01:01:34.155 --> 01:01:34.949
There go dude every Wednesday.
01:01:34.949 --> 01:01:35.789
Mm-hmm Or something like that.
01:01:37.304 --> 01:01:37.664
I like it.
01:01:37.695 --> 01:01:39.344
Like that would be the optimal outcome there.
01:01:39.344 --> 01:01:41.414
And Joe would be like, eh, that's kind of cool.
01:01:41.474 --> 01:01:41.775
Yeah.
01:01:41.925 --> 01:01:42.284
You know?
01:01:42.284 --> 01:01:44.715
So it's a different kind of ideal outcome is different.
01:01:45.675 --> 01:01:47.085
Um, any other questions for me?
01:01:47.385 --> 01:01:47.445
Um.
01:01:49.260 --> 01:01:50.130
Would you like some more wine?
01:01:50.579 --> 01:01:51.110
Should we take a break?
01:01:51.130 --> 01:01:51.480
Oh, you could.
01:01:51.489 --> 01:01:52.010
Yeah, sure.
01:01:52.119 --> 01:01:53.250
Okay, let's just take a break.
01:01:53.269 --> 01:01:55.630
We'll come back and have full glasses of wine.
01:01:55.699 --> 01:01:55.989
Perfect.
01:01:56.489 --> 01:01:56.860
I like it.
01:02:40.914 --> 01:02:45.704
And Rebecca, uh, what would you say that your, uh, belch fart ratio is at home?
01:02:46.844 --> 01:02:50.675
You know, oh, you make me laugh.
01:02:50.675 --> 01:02:53.085
We're testing out like interesting or awkward questions.
01:02:53.094 --> 01:02:53.735
Sure, sure.
01:02:53.735 --> 01:02:54.509
I think that might be a pretty good one.
01:02:54.509 --> 01:02:55.284
Yeah, yeah, that's a good one.
01:02:55.324 --> 01:03:03.954
Um, Pretty, we're, you know, we're pretty, uh, we're not, we, we have closed, no, we have closed doors in our house.
01:03:04.224 --> 01:03:09.465
Like, you know, there's some couples out there that have open door policy, go into the bathroom, all the things.
01:03:09.474 --> 01:03:10.804
No, we closed door.
01:03:10.864 --> 01:03:11.625
Just closed door.
01:03:11.635 --> 01:03:11.925
For sure.
01:03:11.925 --> 01:03:13.295
So you do your farting in the bathroom.
01:03:13.820 --> 01:03:22.969
Um, I mean, I, yeah, pretty much don't, I don't, I'm not a very much belching earlier, but that's very different.
01:03:25.880 --> 01:03:27.969
Farts are like 10 times grosser than belches.
01:03:27.980 --> 01:03:28.500
Is that true?
01:03:28.809 --> 01:03:29.019
Yeah.
01:03:29.019 --> 01:03:30.210
We call them toots in my house.
01:03:30.250 --> 01:03:30.639
Toots.
01:03:30.679 --> 01:03:33.320
Oh, you don't even acknowledge them for what they are.
01:03:33.909 --> 01:03:34.190
Okay.
01:03:34.219 --> 01:03:36.969
I couldn't remember if they were both girls or what, so that's fair.
01:03:37.690 --> 01:03:41.670
Um, so that's actually a good transition.
01:03:41.739 --> 01:03:55.530
Um, What would you tell little girls, um, your girls, or we'll even say a, a, a 16 or 18 or 20 year old young lady that's like pre professional career.
01:03:55.659 --> 01:03:55.900
Sure.
01:03:55.980 --> 01:03:59.809
Um, maybe she's thinking about going to school for psychology.
01:03:59.820 --> 01:03:59.840
Yeah.
01:03:59.849 --> 01:04:01.349
She might want to be a counselor someday.
01:04:01.360 --> 01:04:01.380
Yeah.
01:04:01.500 --> 01:04:05.150
She wants to help people or whatever that looks like.
01:04:05.414 --> 01:04:09.715
Um, or maybe she just wants to have a business.
01:04:09.715 --> 01:04:20.864
Like to me, you feel like an entrepreneur that has a counseling business a little bit more than a counselor that, yeah, like, I feel like if you wouldn't have fallen into counseling, you would have.
01:04:21.505 --> 01:04:31.394
You could have owned a plumbing supply store or a Mary Kay franchise, or, you know, something like, it feels like you would have probably found a way to be, not have a boss.
01:04:31.434 --> 01:04:31.934
Yeah.
01:04:32.034 --> 01:04:35.335
I always, you know, and it's funny, my dad would tell this story all the time.
01:04:35.715 --> 01:04:36.925
This is, I'm telling on my dad.
01:04:37.324 --> 01:04:39.235
Um, he'd be like, all right.
01:04:39.974 --> 01:04:41.684
One of the sisters, I've got two older sisters.
01:04:41.686 --> 01:04:43.724
He'd be like, lazy, go get me a beer out of the garage.
01:04:43.724 --> 01:04:45.824
And we'd have to walk through outside in the cold.
01:04:45.824 --> 01:04:47.855
We were born and raised in Craig, Colorado.
01:04:47.855 --> 01:04:48.795
So it was always cold.
01:04:48.894 --> 01:04:51.644
Um, and then they'd come back with one beer at a time, right?
01:04:51.644 --> 01:04:52.545
And then here you go, dad.
01:04:52.755 --> 01:04:55.485
And then 20 minutes later, Kelly, go get me a beer.
01:04:55.625 --> 01:04:58.264
And then one beer at a time and then Becky, rapid pace.
01:04:59.625 --> 01:05:02.085
I'm sure Becky go get me a beer.
01:05:02.244 --> 01:05:06.204
And I would come back with a handful because I'm, I'm, I'm always just like.
01:05:06.869 --> 01:05:08.090
Work smarter, not harder.
01:05:08.090 --> 01:05:09.769
So I've always had that mentality.
01:05:10.050 --> 01:05:20.050
Um, no matter if I've worked at, my first job was Kmart in Craig or, um, you know, no, no matter what it was, I was always just thinking about like, how can I make this more efficient?
01:05:20.059 --> 01:05:21.320
How can I solve this problem?
01:05:21.320 --> 01:05:22.369
How can I be better at it?
01:05:22.789 --> 01:05:24.409
Um, is that your advice?
01:05:24.860 --> 01:05:26.710
It would be the advice that I would have.
01:05:26.710 --> 01:05:30.320
And it's, And it is also funny because our daughter just turned 10.
01:05:30.329 --> 01:05:32.929
She had her golden birthday on the 10th of November.
01:05:33.449 --> 01:05:34.409
Oh, congratulations.
01:05:35.059 --> 01:05:35.650
Oh, so fun.
01:05:35.659 --> 01:05:36.019
What's her name?
01:05:36.019 --> 01:05:36.440
It's crazy.
01:05:36.449 --> 01:05:36.929
Briar.
01:05:37.480 --> 01:05:37.880
Briar?
01:05:37.889 --> 01:05:38.280
Briar.
01:05:38.309 --> 01:05:38.599
Mm hmm.
01:05:38.599 --> 01:05:39.010
Briar.
01:05:39.019 --> 01:05:41.070
Um, and so Happy birthday, young Briar.
01:05:42.480 --> 01:05:42.960
Um Like Briarpatch?
01:05:43.639 --> 01:05:44.900
B R I E R?
01:05:44.900 --> 01:05:44.929
B Y?
01:05:44.940 --> 01:05:47.389
No, we actually, it's B R Y E R.
01:05:47.400 --> 01:05:47.590
Okay.
01:05:47.610 --> 01:05:54.440
Do you, did you ever, the briar horses, the little plastic toy horses I grew up with Oh, is that a brand of those?
01:05:54.440 --> 01:05:54.789
It's a brand of those.
01:05:54.789 --> 01:05:55.070
Yeah.
01:05:55.460 --> 01:05:58.099
I've seen those all over, you know, walls and stuff like that.
01:05:58.099 --> 01:06:00.119
They're like the super lifelike ones.
01:06:00.150 --> 01:06:00.429
Uh huh.
01:06:00.431 --> 01:06:00.480
Yeah.
01:06:00.480 --> 01:06:00.530
Yeah.
01:06:00.530 --> 01:06:00.900
Yeah.
01:06:00.969 --> 01:06:01.360
Very cool.
01:06:01.360 --> 01:06:01.630
Okay.
01:06:01.679 --> 01:06:05.250
Um So she has been asking us good questions.
01:06:05.250 --> 01:06:14.159
And actually just last night she was asking us about college and what job and career and, and she just got this little bracelet making kit for her birthday.
01:06:14.159 --> 01:06:15.349
And I think I'm going to make bracelets.
01:06:15.380 --> 01:06:16.559
Mama said, that's awesome.
01:06:16.559 --> 01:06:17.000
Do that.
01:06:17.000 --> 01:06:17.199
You know?
01:06:17.199 --> 01:06:22.650
So I think she, yeah, I think she's got that little bit of a entrepreneur bone in her body for sure.
01:06:23.059 --> 01:06:29.659
Um, but she, she's asking a ton of questions and, and my, my heart for her or for anyone is to.
01:06:30.324 --> 01:06:39.054
Do what ignites you, what, um, what you're passionate about, but also know that there's no such thing as perfect.
01:06:39.074 --> 01:06:44.014
Like there isn't even, again, mental health is passion work for me.
01:06:44.014 --> 01:06:45.844
Like I really believe in mental health.
01:06:45.864 --> 01:06:54.375
I want everybody to be mentally sound and free from their trauma and free from all of these elements that we, that we face day to day.
01:06:54.375 --> 01:06:56.344
I truly want that in the, in my step.
01:06:56.394 --> 01:07:01.380
Living in a home with somebody that you're not, Connected with, happy with, 100%.
01:07:01.389 --> 01:07:06.750
So I am very passionate about it, but, and I love the work we get to do and it still sucks.
01:07:06.920 --> 01:07:11.099
Like, I mean, there's still, there's so many pros and cons and nothing is perfect.
01:07:11.110 --> 01:07:12.309
No job is perfect.
01:07:12.320 --> 01:07:13.369
No marriage is perfect.
01:07:13.400 --> 01:07:14.420
No life is perfect.
01:07:14.809 --> 01:07:23.849
Um, so my, my advice to her or to anybody that's exploring something is yes, do what ignites you, but also know that there's going to be setbacks.
01:07:23.849 --> 01:07:25.840
Know that there's going to be hard.
01:07:26.179 --> 01:07:33.670
Know that, um, It's not going to be perfect and there's going to be pieces of it that you're not going to like, but you're going to have to do anyways.
01:07:34.079 --> 01:07:34.480
Right.
01:07:34.840 --> 01:07:43.059
Um, because I think there's just this, uh, I don't know, maybe entitlement's a strong word, but this idea that, that you can, you can.
01:07:43.684 --> 01:07:43.994
I don't know.
01:07:44.014 --> 01:07:47.605
Just kind of coast into a successful life in the world anymore.
01:07:47.764 --> 01:07:47.974
Yep.
01:07:47.976 --> 01:07:52.125
I think that's a, yeah, I think that's a risk for sure.
01:07:52.605 --> 01:07:55.425
Do you think that AI is a risk for your field?
01:07:55.684 --> 01:07:57.295
You know, that's a great question.
01:07:57.364 --> 01:07:59.505
So let me set the stage just a moment.
01:07:59.514 --> 01:07:59.724
Yeah.
01:07:59.784 --> 01:08:03.554
Um, the other day, one of our members did a presentation on.
01:08:05.005 --> 01:08:13.135
And he was like, well, in this he's like subscribed to this upgrade thing and not a lot, but he's like this, this AI has read 200 million business books.
01:08:14.114 --> 01:08:20.725
Um, and it's going to help me write my marketing plan for 2025 from the role of a growth strategist, not a marketing agency.
01:08:21.475 --> 01:08:26.505
Um, and I would think that that same kind of.
01:08:27.140 --> 01:08:29.119
If I can just talk to chat GPT Yeah.
01:08:29.119 --> 01:08:31.189
And chat can answer all my problems.
01:08:31.279 --> 01:08:31.670
Yeah.
01:08:31.670 --> 01:08:32.390
Is that, I don't know.
01:08:32.390 --> 01:08:38.720
It feels both so impossible and potentially I was like anti AI there for a hot minute.
01:08:38.750 --> 01:08:39.079
Yeah.
01:08:39.380 --> 01:08:40.939
'cause it kind of freaked me out a little bit.
01:08:40.970 --> 01:08:47.149
But, um, but then I, I started to dabble with it and now I absolutely have it and I, I, I do love it.
01:08:47.305 --> 01:08:47.545
Okay.
01:08:47.720 --> 01:08:47.989
Okay.
01:08:48.199 --> 01:08:48.800
Um.
01:08:49.805 --> 01:08:50.984
For what are you using it for?
01:08:51.015 --> 01:08:55.215
Oh, just all the things, all the things, um, content creation, for sure.
01:08:55.225 --> 01:09:00.484
Just helping me, um, come up with the content for, uh, simplifying things or answering things and whatnot.
01:09:00.524 --> 01:09:02.175
Um, but then silly things like.
01:09:02.970 --> 01:09:03.529
What did I do?
01:09:03.789 --> 01:09:09.210
Uh, how, give me some ideas to throw my daughter an awesome golden birthday party.
01:09:09.260 --> 01:09:10.779
And it did, it gave me some great ideas.
01:09:11.840 --> 01:09:12.630
What are some themes?
01:09:12.779 --> 01:09:18.409
What are, uh, just those quick fire answers that I need that are just stirring inside of me that I don't want to sift through Google for?
01:09:18.760 --> 01:09:19.920
I go to chat GPT.
01:09:20.279 --> 01:09:32.154
Um, so I, I think there is a posing threat to a degree, but I, but I also, I just, I know the personal touch is, is invaluable in our business.
01:09:32.164 --> 01:09:35.034
And cause there's, there's already a while before.
01:09:36.114 --> 01:09:40.274
The emotion of human expression is really picked up, I would suppose.
01:09:40.324 --> 01:09:40.875
Right.
01:09:41.194 --> 01:09:44.845
And I think the words is one thing with how the words are transmitted.
01:09:44.944 --> 01:09:50.645
And I think the consumer will always know deep down that it is artificial.
01:09:50.664 --> 01:09:56.314
And we long for God created us for connection truly.
01:09:56.345 --> 01:10:00.114
And, and in depth, inevitably we are created for connection.
01:10:00.125 --> 01:10:01.524
And if I know that.
01:10:01.949 --> 01:10:03.069
This is artificial.
01:10:03.100 --> 01:10:04.850
I'm not getting that fix.
01:10:04.850 --> 01:10:08.069
I'm not, I'm not truly getting that, um, that need met.
01:10:08.560 --> 01:10:19.489
And so I still think that there's going to be a place now there's, there's, there's platforms out there that have been around for a long time, which like texting support and stuff like for, for therapy.
01:10:19.850 --> 01:10:22.640
Um, so sure that, that would probably easily support.
01:10:23.020 --> 01:10:31.000
Replace that maybe, but, um, That kind of support thing, but not real in depth because there's just no relationship and there's no relationship.
01:10:31.000 --> 01:10:31.250
Yeah.
01:10:31.250 --> 01:10:32.260
There's no relationship.
01:10:32.270 --> 01:10:38.550
I was trying to think of what, like, if I had a life coach, we'll just call him, uh, like Kurt coach.
01:10:38.550 --> 01:10:43.409
Like I'm imagining like the Elf on the Shelf dude sitting on my shoulder, like whispering.
01:10:43.680 --> 01:10:50.060
Maybe I got two of them, one the devil and one not, but I would get kind of sick of this.
01:10:50.579 --> 01:10:54.989
artificial creature that obviously doesn't care about me telling me what to do, right?
01:10:55.449 --> 01:10:55.609
Yeah.
01:10:55.610 --> 01:11:01.859
And, and that, that is, that that's detrimental.
01:11:01.890 --> 01:11:04.479
That's not, it won't, it won't scratch that itch.
01:11:04.699 --> 01:11:07.590
You will reduce my success statistics.
01:11:07.590 --> 01:11:08.359
If you do not.
01:11:09.000 --> 01:11:10.800
Uh, go apologize to your wife.
01:11:11.340 --> 01:11:11.569
Yeah.
01:11:12.380 --> 01:11:14.890
But I have used it for some conflict resolution and things.
01:11:14.920 --> 01:11:16.199
Um, it is helpful, but.
01:11:16.340 --> 01:11:17.159
Yeah, it's interesting.
01:11:17.329 --> 01:11:19.569
It's going to be interesting how it unfolds from here.
01:11:19.770 --> 01:11:19.949
Yeah.
01:11:19.949 --> 01:11:30.810
But to be able to cry in front of somebody, to be able to cuss, cry, vent, process, um, to be able to just hold space with somebody eye to eye or, you know, and even if it's virtually too, but, um, that's it.
01:11:30.880 --> 01:11:32.779
I just don't think that you can replace that.
01:11:32.789 --> 01:11:33.699
That's why I mean mental health.
01:11:34.354 --> 01:11:40.364
It's still as prevalent as it is, if not more now than ever before, um, I would argue.
01:11:40.365 --> 01:11:41.317
Mental health care.
01:11:41.317 --> 01:11:41.634
Yeah.
01:11:41.634 --> 01:11:42.585
Mental health care.
01:11:42.585 --> 01:11:44.104
Or awareness of mental health care.
01:11:44.135 --> 01:11:44.704
Mental health care.
01:11:44.765 --> 01:11:48.979
How much do you think it needs to increase to be a healthier world.
01:11:49.510 --> 01:11:52.130
Like, it feels like when I was a little kid, nobody did it.
01:11:52.210 --> 01:11:53.449
At least not in my culture.
01:11:53.460 --> 01:11:54.050
You know?
01:11:54.659 --> 01:11:59.659
And, again, I think, um, Are there places, are there communities that it's overused?
01:12:00.079 --> 01:12:01.590
Are people crutching on it anywhere?
01:12:01.590 --> 01:12:02.949
Have you seen people crutching on it?
01:12:02.951 --> 01:12:14.095
I mean, I haven't with the demographic that we work with in particular, but Um, I just, I, I, I very much believe that our past affects our present and our present affects our future.
01:12:14.095 --> 01:12:14.364
Right.
01:12:14.364 --> 01:12:21.564
And so if we have, um, trauma in our past and we have not dealt with that, it can very detrimentally affect our present and our future.
01:12:21.564 --> 01:12:21.784
Right.
01:12:22.034 --> 01:12:28.854
Uh, we work mainly with higher functioning, you know, uh, we're, we're not working with crisis and, and, and Medicaid billing office.
01:12:28.864 --> 01:12:29.994
No, no.
01:12:29.994 --> 01:12:32.045
And we're not doing inpatient psychosis support.
01:12:32.715 --> 01:12:40.359
We can offer crisis support to workplaces if there is a death of a loved one or, or, or a pandemic or whatever that might be, we can offer that support.
01:12:40.739 --> 01:12:45.850
Um, but we're not the ones that are there to offer this like, um, uh, true inpatient type support.
01:12:45.850 --> 01:12:54.350
So, so we, we're, we're a little different than, than typical, but you're more of like electric elective surgery than a trauma surgeon.
01:12:54.350 --> 01:12:54.529
Yeah.
01:12:54.529 --> 01:12:57.449
And, and our, and our heart is very much preventative.
01:12:57.451 --> 01:13:04.965
Like we would, Again, it's never too late to get mental health support, but if we can start early, you wanna do couples counseling before the, the divorce?
01:13:04.965 --> 01:13:05.534
The murder.
01:13:05.534 --> 01:13:06.045
Suicide.
01:13:06.284 --> 01:13:06.494
Yeah.
01:13:06.585 --> 01:13:07.305
Oh, sorry.
01:13:07.425 --> 01:13:08.055
Not the divorce.
01:13:08.085 --> 01:13:08.385
Okay.
01:13:08.385 --> 01:13:09.435
Both, both.
01:13:10.994 --> 01:13:11.505
a hundred percent.
01:13:11.595 --> 01:13:15.345
The post murder suicide is harder still when the brain is, is traumatized.
01:13:15.345 --> 01:13:17.055
When there's so many of these traumas out there.
01:13:17.654 --> 01:13:22.439
I it, I'm like, do I wanna go down this road or not?
01:13:22.550 --> 01:13:22.840
Yeah.
01:13:23.835 --> 01:13:25.125
So if, um.
01:13:25.425 --> 01:13:27.395
You know, sexual abuse and trauma.
01:13:27.454 --> 01:13:35.975
Um, if a kid was abused all through their childhood, your, your sexual organs are meant to feel good.
01:13:36.045 --> 01:13:36.454
Right.
01:13:36.704 --> 01:13:44.904
And so if I was to, I'm not super strong, but if I was to punch you in the arm right now, you want to, even if you didn't want it to hurt, it would hurt to a degree.
01:13:44.925 --> 01:13:45.185
Right.
01:13:45.574 --> 01:13:50.244
Um, if, if somebody was sexually assaulted, it depends on the situation, of course.
01:13:50.255 --> 01:13:53.050
But, um, It, you know what I mean?
01:13:53.050 --> 01:13:55.949
So there's this, like, they just wanna feel something there.
01:13:56.069 --> 01:13:56.734
Is that where you're trying to go?
01:13:56.835 --> 01:14:03.895
If there, I know this is, this is a tricky, we this is a tricky topic, but, um, I will say this, I close my legs.
01:14:04.935 --> 01:14:15.979
I had, I have, um, there's, there's evidence that if somebody was sexually abused as a kid, that they will be, that they're, that they would be, um, a perpetrator in the future.
01:14:16.829 --> 01:14:32.529
Because of this sexual pleasure that they experienced, unfortunately, as a child, because our sexual organs are meant to feel good, that they will crave that same stimuli, even into adulthood, right?
01:14:32.550 --> 01:14:36.381
And then they will see And even transferring their kind of feelings about that.
01:14:36.381 --> 01:14:36.962
Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
01:14:36.962 --> 01:14:38.789
This is such a hard topic and a morbid topic.
01:14:39.489 --> 01:14:53.109
But, um, Um, if we can support them in that moment, if we can help support them and heal them from that trauma, um, that they experienced, then we can prevent those things from happening in the future.
01:14:53.149 --> 01:14:55.210
I know that's such a morbid example.
01:14:55.220 --> 01:14:56.539
Well, no, but I'm explaining that.
01:14:56.539 --> 01:15:27.095
Well, I'm going back to your neurofeedback thing, like, is that like, cause I, cause I am concerned, frankly, and we could maybe, we'll maybe move this right into the, into politics part of the sphere because I think that's where this brushes off more than anything is the You know the notion, you know, uh, you know, uh, if I introduced you to my friend who was a minor attracted person How would you feel about that He's moving in next door to you.
01:15:27.925 --> 01:15:29.367
My face expression says it all.
01:15:29.367 --> 01:15:45.784
That you can't see, but Like, from a cultural perspective and stuff, like, that's starting to, there's a little, there's some weird stuff going around, you know, and with all the, you know, the transing of the kids, and the furries, and the confusion about what is True.
01:15:45.784 --> 01:15:47.045
What is real?
01:15:47.055 --> 01:15:48.045
What is a woman?
01:15:48.046 --> 01:15:49.994
Am I a racist?
01:15:51.454 --> 01:15:52.345
It's so hard.
01:15:52.555 --> 01:15:53.885
This is so tricky.
01:15:53.885 --> 01:15:54.854
This is so tricky.
01:15:54.854 --> 01:16:01.935
We, we truly honor the person and, and my, my, my stance as a clinician.
01:16:02.569 --> 01:16:04.810
is to honor the client where they're at, right?
01:16:04.840 --> 01:16:12.699
And to, to hear them where they're at and to give them space where they're at and to cause no shame or no harm or anything of the sort and to hear what their story is.
01:16:12.710 --> 01:16:17.239
So I would always listen first and foremost like that.
01:16:17.329 --> 01:16:19.970
And I feel confident that our team would do the same.
01:16:20.659 --> 01:16:46.744
Um, I, I think that if we're not allowed to drink alcohol until we are 21 because our brains are not fully developed, I, I just think that that is something that is important, um, to keep in mind for these kiddos because I'm, yeah, yeah, because I think it's just, um, I think it's just important to give space for kids to, they're, they're, they're figuring out so many things.
01:16:46.744 --> 01:16:49.524
They're, they're little sweet little brains are developing there.
01:16:49.814 --> 01:16:53.324
They, um, are working through so much in school.
01:16:53.324 --> 01:16:55.414
And there's just a lot going on.
01:16:55.414 --> 01:16:57.515
It's intense, always has been intense.
01:16:57.524 --> 01:16:58.494
You know, beautiful brain.
01:16:58.494 --> 01:16:59.385
How do I fit in with this?
01:17:02.119 --> 01:17:02.720
Yeah, yeah.
01:17:02.760 --> 01:17:05.930
And there's, or how do I stand out in this situation?
01:17:05.939 --> 01:17:11.670
Like that's the interesting thing is like when you and I were kids, it was a lot more about fitting in.
01:17:11.710 --> 01:17:12.090
Yeah.
01:17:12.210 --> 01:17:16.130
Uh, and now the cultural change is really let your freak flag fly.
01:17:16.789 --> 01:17:21.090
And if anybody calls you out on it, then they're the bad person, right?
01:17:21.159 --> 01:17:21.380
Yeah.
01:17:21.380 --> 01:17:22.060
I could see that.
01:17:22.149 --> 01:17:26.500
Um, or at least a little bit in some communities anyway, you know, people are trying to be unique.
01:17:27.199 --> 01:17:29.619
Uh, not authentic necessarily, but unique.
01:17:29.810 --> 01:17:30.060
Yeah.
01:17:30.489 --> 01:17:49.590
Um, well, and I imagine it's like, what an intense thing when you're trying to help somebody work through, you know, say molestation or sexual abuse as a, as a young person, especially as a young man, I assume is like, there's the ones that, you know, hurt people, hurt people.
01:17:49.590 --> 01:17:49.859
Right.
01:17:49.860 --> 01:17:50.225
Yes.
01:17:50.225 --> 01:17:50.590
Yeah.
01:17:50.590 --> 01:18:20.175
Well, and a lot more young females are the victims of abuse and what, how does that They always say that, uh, you know, abused people abuse people, but what do, how does that manifest, this is getting a little intense, but how does that manifest for women, um, you know, um, in their adulthood years or whatever, in comparison, I think it's almost the opposite from, and I I'm only speaking from the handful of clients that I've worked with that have had this experience, your personal experience.
01:18:20.204 --> 01:18:20.494
Yeah.
01:18:20.555 --> 01:18:20.835
Yeah.
01:18:20.835 --> 01:18:21.215
Yeah.
01:18:22.420 --> 01:18:23.369
So I don't know studies.
01:18:23.369 --> 01:18:34.380
I don't know the research behind it, but I would almost say it was opposite that they shut down that part of their life so significantly that it wildly impacts their marriage and their intimacy and their marriage.
01:18:35.369 --> 01:18:40.109
And so I would see that more of a, of a prevalent, uh, outcome.
01:18:40.119 --> 01:18:46.380
Or, I've had a conversation with a, with a couple, few different lesbians because I'm a curious guy about different things.
01:18:47.039 --> 01:18:48.850
And to me, it's an interesting thing.
01:18:48.850 --> 01:18:50.460
And I wonder what your feedback would be.
01:18:51.180 --> 01:18:59.060
How many lesbians, like, knew they loved girls from the time they were 9 or 11 or something like that?
01:18:59.180 --> 01:19:00.020
And how many?
01:19:00.430 --> 01:19:06.020
had terrible experiences with boys or men and decided that this is just a lot safer.
01:19:06.159 --> 01:19:06.439
Sure.
01:19:06.470 --> 01:19:07.510
I mean, that's a great question.
01:19:08.199 --> 01:19:09.939
I almost feel like it's kind of split.
01:19:10.319 --> 01:19:13.890
Among the traditional, you know, I like girls kind of lesbians.
01:19:13.909 --> 01:19:15.680
I feel like it's almost a split decision.
01:19:15.680 --> 01:19:16.729
Like, is that what you heard?
01:19:17.109 --> 01:19:19.189
That's what I, that's what I've heard in my conversations.
01:19:19.189 --> 01:19:19.319
Yeah.
01:19:19.319 --> 01:19:29.680
I've definitely met, I've met at least two that have said it's kind of more a rejection of being with men than it is a super, you don't want to be alone.
01:19:29.689 --> 01:19:33.029
Nobody wants to really be alone except for a small handful of people.
01:19:33.710 --> 01:19:38.930
And if you don't, if you can't trust boys, then here's my thing, I guess.
01:19:38.930 --> 01:19:39.229
Right.
01:19:39.250 --> 01:19:39.500
Well, no.
01:19:39.914 --> 01:19:43.604
If, and I don't know, but again, it goes back to trauma, right?
01:19:43.654 --> 01:19:56.625
If, and, and no matter, no matter what that looks like, no matter if it's, um, gay, straight, whatever it is, if, if we have sexual trauma, it will show up in our sexual relations, right?
01:19:56.645 --> 01:19:59.484
Like, I mean, it just is, that's, that's the brain.
01:19:59.625 --> 01:20:01.694
can't will yourself out of that.
01:20:01.694 --> 01:20:07.840
I'm talking about it as a, a, a, a, Emotionally or physically cold physiological, right?
01:20:07.850 --> 01:20:08.340
Yeah, right.
01:20:08.390 --> 01:20:25.270
Yeah, but also just be either way What else you want to talk about in the politics kind of fear you want to brush against your business more in the politics You know are I just I really I I truly I just want to Love the people where they're at.
01:20:25.289 --> 01:20:26.500
I mean, that's really what we do.
01:20:26.500 --> 01:20:31.529
We don't, we take a stance of like, I don't want to, I don't, I don't post happy mother's day posts.
01:20:31.550 --> 01:20:33.279
I don't post happy father's day posts.
01:20:33.279 --> 01:20:40.747
I don't post any of that kind of stuff on my social media or our email listing or anything of that sort, because I don't know what there's triggers here.
01:20:40.747 --> 01:20:41.323
There's triggers.
01:20:41.323 --> 01:20:42.109
There may be.
01:20:42.119 --> 01:20:42.819
Yeah, exactly.
01:20:42.819 --> 01:20:43.579
There's triggers here.
01:20:43.579 --> 01:20:44.329
There's triggers there.
01:20:44.539 --> 01:20:48.060
I just, I really, yeah, I really just want to.
01:20:48.479 --> 01:20:55.960
Um, I have my own beliefs and I keep them private because it's not my job to bestow my own beliefs on my clients.
01:20:55.970 --> 01:20:59.819
And if I ever, and I have heard this, that, um, a client.
01:21:00.460 --> 01:21:09.260
Well, uh, a person came up to me and said, well, I tried therapy once and, and I sat down with my therapist and, and the first sentence out of their mouth was, who did you vote for?
01:21:09.789 --> 01:21:10.680
And I said, what?
01:21:10.819 --> 01:21:12.630
That's so inappropriate.
01:21:12.640 --> 01:21:13.840
That's so not okay.
01:21:13.840 --> 01:21:15.350
That's just not safe.
01:21:15.380 --> 01:21:15.859
Right?
01:21:15.890 --> 01:21:16.239
Right.
01:21:16.300 --> 01:21:17.640
Because we can't assume anything.
01:21:17.659 --> 01:21:19.029
We cannot assume anything.
01:21:19.409 --> 01:21:23.619
And so I just, I really, I really get pretty worked up about that.
01:21:23.619 --> 01:21:29.239
I just, I want to create a safe place for everyone to come into my doors and.
01:21:29.609 --> 01:21:35.430
To be heard and, and their story to be heard in their story, to be validated and to be able to work through whatever they are going through.
01:21:35.430 --> 01:21:35.729
Yeah.
01:21:35.850 --> 01:21:35.970
Yeah.
01:21:35.970 --> 01:21:36.479
Whatever that person is.
01:21:36.489 --> 01:21:38.220
I appreciate that and respect that very much.
01:21:38.270 --> 01:21:40.210
And, uh, this is not a counseling session.
01:21:40.210 --> 01:21:41.079
So who did you vote for?
01:21:43.149 --> 01:21:46.471
I'm just going to sit over here and drink my glass of wine.
01:21:46.471 --> 01:21:46.796
Right.
01:21:46.796 --> 01:21:47.771
You're from Craig.
01:21:47.771 --> 01:21:48.747
You ride horses.
01:21:48.747 --> 01:21:50.047
You voted for Trump.
01:21:50.047 --> 01:21:51.349
You don't know that.
01:21:51.349 --> 01:21:52.649
No, but I do.
01:21:52.649 --> 01:21:54.529
I voted for Trump for the first time.
01:21:55.039 --> 01:21:55.460
Really?
01:21:55.500 --> 01:21:55.920
Yeah, yeah.
01:21:55.920 --> 01:21:56.869
First time I've voted mainstream.
01:21:56.880 --> 01:21:57.479
What trained you?
01:21:58.329 --> 01:22:06.600
You know, the biggest thing was the, the combination of lawfare, um, and non democratic politics.
01:22:07.340 --> 01:22:10.930
Democratic party, you know, they blackballed Kennedy out of the party.
01:22:10.930 --> 01:22:13.189
He would have been a major upgrade over Biden.
01:22:13.710 --> 01:22:16.390
I might've voted for Kennedy over Trump if it worked out that way.
01:22:17.029 --> 01:22:23.869
But then the, and they, they blackballed Bernie before that a time or two, you know, they're just not the party of democracy lately.
01:22:23.869 --> 01:22:35.119
They're the party of the somebody's pulling the strings behind a boot and they hid that Biden was a retard for four years, basically, you know, so yeah, all those things.
01:22:35.784 --> 01:22:45.444
Um, you know, nobody was fooling me in 2020 about Biden being sharp as a tack and nobody was fooling me in 2021 or 2022 or anything else, but they just, we just didn't see him.
01:22:45.444 --> 01:22:51.965
So who'd been making, and now they're fricking launching missiles into Ukraine or into Russia today.
01:22:52.520 --> 01:22:58.510
So, so yes, I've never been a fan, I've never been a bigger fan of the Republican Party than I am at right now.
01:22:58.539 --> 01:22:58.939
Really?
01:22:59.340 --> 01:23:00.250
That's pretty fascinating.
01:23:00.399 --> 01:23:00.810
Yeah.
01:23:00.960 --> 01:23:01.840
I think it's interesting.
01:23:01.859 --> 01:23:03.439
I think it's, I think it's fascinating.
01:23:03.439 --> 01:23:15.914
I think it's, um, you know, if, uh, It would be, I think it would be an interesting topic to bring up with more people, but I don't like confrontation and so I don't like to talk politics.
01:23:15.914 --> 01:23:18.104
I really don't, I just really don't, I don't like it.
01:23:18.375 --> 01:23:21.395
Um, my husband can, it's really beautiful.
01:23:21.395 --> 01:23:29.829
His gift of being able to like, um, Not argue, but debate with people and not be emotionally attached to it.
01:23:29.829 --> 01:23:30.789
It's amazing.
01:23:30.800 --> 01:23:34.149
It's a, it's such a incredible quality.
01:23:35.659 --> 01:23:36.250
I think so.
01:23:36.250 --> 01:23:38.060
I think you guys would get along for a while.
01:23:38.060 --> 01:23:38.520
We do.
01:23:38.520 --> 01:23:39.260
We've talked a few times.
01:23:40.279 --> 01:23:42.270
Um, and I, I just don't have that.
01:23:42.319 --> 01:23:43.180
I don't have that gift.
01:23:43.180 --> 01:23:47.520
And so I usually, I usually choose not to go there with a lot of people.
01:23:47.520 --> 01:23:47.630
And.
01:23:48.114 --> 01:23:50.305
And again, I just want to honor everybody where they're at.
01:23:50.345 --> 01:23:53.364
And so I usually choose just to like, but you voted for Trump.
01:23:54.935 --> 01:23:56.295
Whatever you totally did.
01:23:57.265 --> 01:24:06.755
I'm going to show you a, like, actually called it the scariest graph that I had seen in a while on Twitter.
01:24:06.814 --> 01:24:08.835
And I'm going to see if I can find it here.
01:24:08.864 --> 01:24:10.685
Is it clown rule?
01:24:10.755 --> 01:24:11.375
I think it is.
01:24:11.376 --> 01:24:16.505
Um, so the graph is the, the political disparity.
01:24:17.189 --> 01:24:26.970
Between 21 to 29 year old men and women in South Korea, Germany, UK, and the US.
01:24:26.970 --> 01:24:27.425
Woah.
01:24:28.125 --> 01:24:33.854
Basically, the men are getting more and more conservative in that age demographic and the women are getting more and more liberal.
01:24:33.954 --> 01:24:34.645
Oh, interesting.
01:24:34.694 --> 01:24:44.225
Oh, to a tremendous, like, like South Korea might literally die for lack of procreation in the next two generations or one generation.
01:24:44.375 --> 01:24:45.314
No, that's fascinating.
01:24:45.375 --> 01:24:49.345
Like, because the women are all too liberal and they don't want to have no fucking babies.
01:24:49.345 --> 01:24:49.994
They got a career.
01:24:49.994 --> 01:24:52.595
They don't want to have any childcare expenses, blah, blah, blah.
01:24:54.364 --> 01:24:55.364
So let's talk about that.
01:24:55.365 --> 01:24:55.430
Okay.
01:24:56.520 --> 01:24:57.800
Like, how did that happen?
01:24:58.300 --> 01:25:00.850
You're an expert on psychology, I would say.
01:25:00.890 --> 01:25:03.229
And don't claim to be an expert.
01:25:03.289 --> 01:25:10.489
I, um, I, you know, I don't know, again, I, I really, I, I do specialize in trauma.
01:25:10.489 --> 01:25:17.520
I don't necessarily have, well, but there's neuroplasticity, yes, a hundred percent.
01:25:17.520 --> 01:25:20.819
And it can be a healthy neuroplasticity where we can.
01:25:21.039 --> 01:25:23.569
heal our brains from TBIs and traumas.
01:25:23.869 --> 01:25:35.329
Um, and it can be a negative where we become so, um, automated and, and whatever we're seeing on Instagram, like our, our, our intake, whatever it is that we're in taking day to day can change our brainwiring.
01:25:35.329 --> 01:25:43.329
I wonder if I should have a segment on here of the last, uh, like meme or I save a bookmark, certain videos and stuff.
01:25:43.369 --> 01:25:46.210
Uh, I could, I could be a little clear thing.
01:25:50.204 --> 01:25:55.225
At one of my shows, 22 little people showed up with the picket signs.
01:25:56.465 --> 01:25:58.305
They weren't picket signs, they were 3x5 cards.
01:25:58.305 --> 01:25:59.615
But, they were there.
01:25:59.615 --> 01:26:02.890
We're gonna finish this one out, you're gonna enjoy this.
01:26:02.890 --> 01:26:06.493
This is the first, like, I might get sued or copyrighted.
01:26:06.493 --> 01:26:07.149
We'll see.
01:26:07.149 --> 01:26:07.805
We'll see.
01:26:07.805 --> 01:26:11.734
It's the exact same as calling a black person the n word.
01:26:12.015 --> 01:26:17.154
And I was like, midget, please.
01:26:17.154 --> 01:26:19.722
Made you laugh.
01:26:19.722 --> 01:26:22.574
His audience was two black fellows, by the way.
01:26:22.744 --> 01:26:23.704
Oh, funny.
01:26:23.925 --> 01:26:26.664
Is that, is that what your comedy, your standup's going to be like?
01:26:26.704 --> 01:26:27.114
Maybe.
01:26:28.585 --> 01:26:29.335
Wildly offensive.
01:26:30.765 --> 01:26:42.534
Not wildly offensive, right up to the borderline of political correctness, which I would say the borderline, the, the Occam's razor, the, the, whatever that term is, it's not Occam's razor.
01:26:42.534 --> 01:26:56.414
It's uh, the Overton window, like depending on your demographic, what is politically correct to say has expanded quite a bit in the last, I guess, probably since Elon bought Twitter or some shit.
01:26:56.414 --> 01:26:56.845
I don't know.
01:26:57.460 --> 01:27:01.310
Um, what's your thoughts in that space of, of just freedom of speech?
01:27:01.770 --> 01:27:12.569
Because that's another reason that I actually wouldn't have voted Democrat for sure is they were like, we didn't, you know, we can't control what people think if we can't control the information they say online.
01:27:12.579 --> 01:27:16.569
It's like, well, I mean, I don't, yeah, I don't, yeah, exactly.
01:27:16.630 --> 01:27:32.279
Um, Yeah, I mean, again, it's just such a different world that I live in because I live in an office with a one, one client at a time where they're safe to say whatever they want.
01:27:32.340 --> 01:27:37.050
And in fact, I want them, I want them to say whatever it is they want.
01:27:37.069 --> 01:27:47.435
And when I go to my therapist, I, I make sure that I vet whoever my therapist is to, to be dang comfortable with saying what I believe.
01:27:47.654 --> 01:27:48.055
And.
01:27:48.385 --> 01:27:49.645
Being able to play my cards.
01:27:49.645 --> 01:27:50.835
And you want to be in that safe place.
01:27:51.074 --> 01:27:52.354
And so do I in this podcast.
01:27:52.635 --> 01:27:53.284
Yeah, totally.
01:27:53.284 --> 01:27:54.074
I appreciate that.
01:27:54.074 --> 01:27:56.875
I think that's a pretty great, but I know you voted for Trump.
01:28:01.414 --> 01:28:02.935
Let's talk about your family a little more.
01:28:03.465 --> 01:28:07.895
Um, we did this a little bit, but I don't know that my format was quite as refined.
01:28:08.564 --> 01:28:10.965
What's, uh, what's your favorite thing about Tyler?
01:28:11.064 --> 01:28:11.835
Oh man.
01:28:12.324 --> 01:28:17.145
Uh, his ability to, um, Vote for Trump in a minute.
01:28:17.444 --> 01:28:18.564
Love me.
01:28:18.645 --> 01:28:18.965
Just kidding.
01:28:20.935 --> 01:28:24.125
He, he grounds me in such a beautiful way.
01:28:24.154 --> 01:28:31.515
Like it's, it's very much a good yang, yang kind of, you know, balance that we have because I am the visionary.
01:28:31.515 --> 01:28:31.989
I am the guide.
01:28:32.060 --> 01:28:35.399
Goal getter, the, the go getter and the goal setter.
01:28:35.689 --> 01:28:37.930
Um, I'm, I, I'm a lot.
01:28:38.359 --> 01:28:38.609
Yeah.
01:28:38.680 --> 01:28:38.859
Yeah.
01:28:38.859 --> 01:28:38.970
Yeah.
01:28:39.180 --> 01:28:39.920
No, I have no doubt.
01:28:40.380 --> 01:28:41.050
I am a lot.
01:28:41.649 --> 01:28:45.229
And so I'm always thinking about what do we need to do and what do we need to accomplish?
01:28:45.250 --> 01:28:48.510
And he's, he's the one that's just like, he executes a lot of that.
01:28:48.760 --> 01:28:55.119
He executes, but he's also the one that lets me like be present and, and stand where my feet are and be where my feet are.
01:28:55.140 --> 01:28:55.430
Right.
01:28:55.725 --> 01:29:02.914
And so he brings me back to reality to a degree and just take your socks off and just go put your feet in the dirt for a minute.
01:29:02.914 --> 01:29:03.135
Yeah.
01:29:03.135 --> 01:29:03.136
Yeah.
01:29:03.136 --> 01:29:09.545
And I always, I always said, and I think I said this in the first one, I'm sure, because it's always been my answer is, is like, I can be a hundred percent me.
01:29:09.595 --> 01:29:11.055
I can, I can cry.
01:29:11.064 --> 01:29:11.614
I can cuss.
01:29:11.614 --> 01:29:16.984
I can, I can just let it all out because there is such a face of a therapist that we do not get to have opinion.
01:29:16.984 --> 01:29:19.204
We do not get to share our own thoughts and beliefs.
01:29:19.204 --> 01:29:19.444
Like.
01:29:19.740 --> 01:29:22.140
And as a business owner, right?
01:29:22.149 --> 01:29:23.439
Like we don't get celebrated.
01:29:23.439 --> 01:29:27.250
We don't get, um, we don't get asked, how are you doing?
01:29:27.680 --> 01:29:29.050
Like we don't get a lot of that.
01:29:29.050 --> 01:29:30.670
And so he's, he's my rock and all of it.
01:29:31.659 --> 01:29:33.869
Well, and you can't just tell your employees, you know what?
01:29:33.939 --> 01:29:36.079
I'm thinking about shutting this whole fucking thing down.
01:29:36.119 --> 01:29:45.310
I'm sick of people like not showing up or overstating their abilities and whatever, because it is like, it's a real thing.
01:29:45.430 --> 01:29:45.975
It's tough.
01:29:46.425 --> 01:30:00.170
To accept that mantle of responsibility, you know, and underappreciated the world would suck if Everybody was either a part of a big company or a solopreneur because like solo businesses can barely do anything.
01:30:00.180 --> 01:30:01.159
They just kind of suck.
01:30:01.159 --> 01:30:02.710
They can't follow up properly.
01:30:02.710 --> 01:30:04.939
They can't build any systems, you know, whatever.
01:30:05.619 --> 01:30:07.229
And big companies just kind of suck.
01:30:07.760 --> 01:30:11.529
I mean there's, yeah, small companies create jobs, big companies buy small companies.
01:30:11.779 --> 01:30:11.859
Yeah.
01:30:11.909 --> 01:30:19.939
And just like I said, there's no such thing as perfect and every, it, there's cons to being your own business owner and.
01:30:20.250 --> 01:30:24.479
This, there's cons to being, for working with people, there's pros for working for someone else.
01:30:24.510 --> 01:30:26.970
I mean, it's, it's just, there's no such thing as perfect.
01:30:27.000 --> 01:30:29.050
So, it's, it's, you know, you gotta choose your fate.
01:30:29.090 --> 01:30:36.034
Well, and, my dad always, uh, uh, jokes about, uh, I forget who I use this expression about, but, you know, Oh, it was Pat Stryker.
01:30:36.034 --> 01:30:43.824
Somebody asked me the other day if I'd ever had Pat Stryker, cause I, I've got Curt Richardson coming out, super excited about, um, but they were like, have you ever had Pat Stryker on?
01:30:43.824 --> 01:30:45.854
And I was like, well, no.
01:30:45.904 --> 01:30:48.744
And like, she's not really qualified.
01:30:48.744 --> 01:30:50.515
Like she got her money the old fashioned way.
01:30:50.534 --> 01:30:51.385
She inherited it.
01:30:51.925 --> 01:30:54.135
Like she didn't create any of the wealth that she has.
01:30:54.145 --> 01:30:55.104
She's been spending it.
01:30:55.614 --> 01:30:56.314
God bless her.
01:30:56.425 --> 01:30:56.704
Yeah.
01:30:56.725 --> 01:30:57.164
Thank you.
01:30:57.175 --> 01:30:57.664
Doing great things.
01:30:57.675 --> 01:30:58.654
You know, doing great things.
01:30:58.654 --> 01:30:58.925
Yeah.
01:30:59.484 --> 01:31:02.354
But she's not, she's not the kind of people I talk to really.
01:31:02.385 --> 01:31:02.465
Yeah.
01:31:02.465 --> 01:31:03.425
I'm a local experience.
01:31:03.465 --> 01:31:03.805
Yeah.
01:31:03.875 --> 01:31:07.135
Although I would, Pat, if you're listening to this, I totally would find space for you.
01:31:07.136 --> 01:31:07.975
Come on in.
01:31:07.975 --> 01:31:09.534
You can bring a handler or whatever.
01:31:09.604 --> 01:31:10.164
I'm cool.
01:31:10.166 --> 01:31:11.195
Absolutely.
01:31:11.195 --> 01:31:16.545
We could have, I'll even go up to mid, mid to upper.
01:31:16.654 --> 01:31:20.295
mid shelf for our wine or bourbon selection.
01:31:21.954 --> 01:31:23.545
So let's talk about your kids a little bit.
01:31:23.574 --> 01:31:23.744
Yeah.
01:31:23.805 --> 01:31:26.984
Your girls, um, your 10 year old.
01:31:26.994 --> 01:31:27.935
10s and almost six.
01:31:27.935 --> 01:31:28.175
Yep.
01:31:28.185 --> 01:31:29.204
Briar in Bristol.
01:31:29.255 --> 01:31:35.034
Bristol, Bristol, named after the town in England or just a nice B with the Briar?
01:31:35.425 --> 01:31:35.715
Yep.
01:31:35.845 --> 01:31:37.734
There's not another kind of plastic horse.
01:31:37.805 --> 01:31:38.435
No, no.
01:31:38.444 --> 01:31:41.310
Okay, that's good.
01:31:41.659 --> 01:31:44.149
I don't know if we had the one word description for kids back then.
01:31:44.149 --> 01:31:44.979
Oh gosh, no.
01:31:45.409 --> 01:31:46.060
Probably not.
01:31:46.079 --> 01:31:54.020
So, we now do a one word description for your children, and you can elaborate, but uh, what would you put that on Briar if you had to boil it?
01:31:54.029 --> 01:32:04.239
Um, Briar, like, kind comes up, but that's such a generic word, so I'll have to, yeah, and there's so much more to her, but um.
01:32:04.579 --> 01:32:05.050
But she is.
01:32:05.060 --> 01:32:06.880
She just has a huge heart.
01:32:06.890 --> 01:32:13.550
She really genuinely cares for people and has, has, uh, the most beautiful big feelings.
01:32:14.140 --> 01:32:14.409
Yeah.
01:32:14.989 --> 01:32:18.577
Well, it sounds like a lot of curiosity about how the world works as well at that age.
01:32:18.577 --> 01:32:18.833
Yeah.
01:32:18.833 --> 01:32:19.359
Very curious.
01:32:19.479 --> 01:32:24.595
Very, like, Um, tuned in, tuned in for sure.
01:32:24.595 --> 01:32:27.975
And she's, yeah, she's, she's definitely a caretaker for sure.
01:32:27.975 --> 01:32:30.185
She is the world's best big sister.
01:32:30.185 --> 01:32:38.704
Like I, I, I, and I know that's, I'm biased of course, but her sister's like, whatever, I mean, my sisters and I, we got in for it.
01:32:38.854 --> 01:32:42.435
fights, like, whew, it was, it was bad.
01:32:42.595 --> 01:32:42.954
Right.
01:32:42.956 --> 01:32:53.444
And, and never in the, I mean, they're 10 and six, so I'm going to knock on some wood right now, but never have I seen that like either one of them have raged to one another.
01:32:53.625 --> 01:32:59.115
Like I've never seen them swinging a hand or really scream like in a real violent way or whatever.
01:32:59.115 --> 01:33:01.675
So, and I think that's a huge part of.
01:33:01.880 --> 01:33:07.640
Briar and how she's just been such a kind and supportive and caretaker type older sister.
01:33:07.640 --> 01:33:11.752
It's just, she holds that space so beautifully.
01:33:11.752 --> 01:33:16.670
Uh, I don't, yeah, yes.
01:33:16.750 --> 01:33:21.779
And then, um, Bristol would be, we lovingly call her Bristol the pistol.
01:33:21.840 --> 01:33:22.989
So the word is pistol.
01:33:23.010 --> 01:33:29.220
I mean, she's just a spitfire, which is really funny that you think that because yeah.
01:33:29.614 --> 01:33:37.244
family would say that briar gets it from me and bristol gets it from tyler yeah really um But bristol's more fiery.
01:33:37.255 --> 01:33:44.465
She's uh, she she wakes up and she is a hundred miles an hour And ready to take on the world.
01:33:44.505 --> 01:33:49.944
I mean she's so singing at the top of her lungs, just loving life.
01:33:49.984 --> 01:33:51.395
Briar takes a little bit.
01:33:51.404 --> 01:33:52.835
That's, she definitely gets that from her dad.
01:33:52.835 --> 01:33:54.465
Bristol gets that from, for me.
01:33:55.095 --> 01:33:55.895
You're a shot of the cannon.
01:33:55.935 --> 01:33:56.654
I am.
01:33:56.654 --> 01:33:57.784
I'm ready to rock.
01:33:57.795 --> 01:33:59.045
I'm ready to rock and roll.
01:33:59.055 --> 01:33:59.875
Like I stand up.
01:34:00.505 --> 01:34:00.965
All right.
01:34:00.984 --> 01:34:01.335
All right.
01:34:01.414 --> 01:34:02.268
Let's do this.
01:34:02.268 --> 01:34:02.755
What should I do?
01:34:02.755 --> 01:34:04.814
Yeah, I get, I get excited for sure.
01:34:05.194 --> 01:34:05.864
Um, yeah.
01:34:05.864 --> 01:34:08.845
And then Bristol, she is, she's definitely more of the pistol for sure.
01:34:09.234 --> 01:34:12.244
Um, But again, she's got a tender heart too.
01:34:12.295 --> 01:34:15.875
Uh, and it's funny because Briar was definitely more of the adrenaline junkie.
01:34:15.875 --> 01:34:17.024
So it's completely opposite.
01:34:17.034 --> 01:34:20.244
She was more of the adrenaline junkie as a little kid as when she was younger.
01:34:20.475 --> 01:34:23.625
And then Bristol's a little bit more timid, which I would have thought the complete opposite.
01:34:24.194 --> 01:34:28.885
Um, but they both love and are passionate about the rodeo scene and they go.
01:34:28.895 --> 01:34:30.034
Are they both barrel racing?
01:34:30.034 --> 01:34:30.234
Yeah.
01:34:30.234 --> 01:34:32.024
Barrels and pole bending and goat tying.
01:34:32.024 --> 01:34:32.465
Okay.
01:34:33.055 --> 01:34:35.595
Flag racing and all the cute little things for sure.
01:34:35.805 --> 01:34:38.585
You must be a very minority in Northern Colorado.
01:34:38.814 --> 01:34:39.305
How so?
01:34:39.314 --> 01:34:39.824
Rodeo?
01:34:39.914 --> 01:34:40.354
Yeah.
01:34:40.645 --> 01:34:41.604
No, I mean it's Oh, it's a big community?
01:34:41.654 --> 01:34:42.645
It's a huge community.
01:34:42.715 --> 01:34:42.765
Oh, really?
01:34:42.765 --> 01:34:42.795
Okay.
01:34:42.824 --> 01:34:47.225
And we live down in Texas, and I thought We live down in, like, the San Antonio area.
01:34:47.635 --> 01:34:51.159
Um, and I thought that would be We were it was very different.
01:34:51.409 --> 01:35:09.855
Yeah, there wasn't hardly anyone in that area that well and we weren't in it Weren't in it because we were so broke, but right Yeah, it is a huge community up here and it is an awesome community Way to keep a little bit of country in their experience and your experience.
01:35:09.855 --> 01:35:13.604
Yep We haven't We haven't talked about faith yet in this conversation.
01:35:14.005 --> 01:35:19.725
Again, you'll be scared to share too much, but you did share in our first conversation that you were raised Christian ish.
01:35:20.274 --> 01:35:21.095
Well, no.
01:35:21.574 --> 01:35:22.324
Not raised that way.
01:35:22.364 --> 01:35:22.654
Nope.
01:35:22.654 --> 01:35:23.585
Not raised that way.
01:35:23.645 --> 01:35:24.555
Raised indifferent.
01:35:24.625 --> 01:35:24.864
Okay.
01:35:25.034 --> 01:35:26.354
Just, you know, nothing.
01:35:26.645 --> 01:35:26.755
Okay.
01:35:26.755 --> 01:35:28.085
It wasn't one way or the other.
01:35:28.145 --> 01:35:33.675
Um, and then come to, come to grow my faith in Christianity.
01:35:33.715 --> 01:35:36.935
Um, Uh, go to Northern Colorado Cowboy Church.
01:35:37.354 --> 01:35:38.005
So that's fitting.
01:35:38.345 --> 01:35:40.414
Um, but it's just a great space to be able to be.
01:35:40.414 --> 01:35:43.354
Is that the one right by the, I took 34?
01:35:43.414 --> 01:35:45.125
On, uh, there's a cowboy church there.
01:35:45.265 --> 01:35:45.574
Okay.
01:35:45.614 --> 01:35:45.895
Yeah.
01:35:45.925 --> 01:35:46.194
Yep.
01:35:46.515 --> 01:35:48.845
Um, Lucerne is, oh, it's a different one.
01:35:48.875 --> 01:35:49.085
Yeah.
01:35:49.085 --> 01:35:49.395
Okay.
01:35:49.454 --> 01:35:49.734
Yeah.
01:35:49.774 --> 01:35:51.475
There's a cowboy church right there.
01:35:51.515 --> 01:35:54.064
Kind of on the way up Estes Park Canyon.
01:35:54.154 --> 01:35:54.675
Oh yeah.
01:35:54.704 --> 01:35:54.925
Nope.
01:35:54.925 --> 01:35:55.274
Not us.
01:35:55.345 --> 01:35:55.625
Okay.
01:35:55.845 --> 01:35:56.505
Totally unrelated.
01:35:56.734 --> 01:35:59.954
I think, yeah, nope, nothing to do with us, but, uh, yeah.
01:35:59.954 --> 01:36:03.314
And so, so just being able to, to be part of that.
01:36:03.314 --> 01:36:04.595
And again, when.
01:36:05.250 --> 01:36:10.159
When I was exploring this idea of like, man, is there something more?
01:36:10.159 --> 01:36:10.710
Is there not?
01:36:11.000 --> 01:36:12.810
You know, I was just, I wasn't sure what was going on.
01:36:13.439 --> 01:36:17.569
I was, um, Gosh, we, we had just gotten married, I believe.
01:36:17.569 --> 01:36:20.970
So 20, uh, what, when did I get married?
01:36:20.989 --> 01:36:22.510
24, I think, 24.
01:36:22.590 --> 01:36:22.859
I know.
01:36:22.859 --> 01:36:23.109
Right.
01:36:23.140 --> 01:36:24.020
Curtis, you don't know that?
01:36:24.039 --> 01:36:24.289
I don't know.
01:36:24.569 --> 01:36:26.539
We went down to Oklahoma or Texas or something.
01:36:26.670 --> 01:36:26.960
Yeah.
01:36:27.380 --> 01:36:27.899
Uh, yeah.
01:36:27.899 --> 01:36:30.859
So it was around like that, like mid twenties is when I started to just.
01:36:31.225 --> 01:36:41.564
And Tyler was from more faithful background or not even him either he was he had there was conversation in his household Um, yep, but not necessarily participation necessarily exactly.
01:36:41.664 --> 01:36:43.414
Okay, so you guys explored together?
01:36:43.425 --> 01:36:47.475
Yeah Yeah in some ways was somebody the leader in that conversation at the time?
01:36:47.475 --> 01:36:52.439
I think more so me um Because again, I'm, I'm the doer.
01:36:52.439 --> 01:36:55.510
I'm not the one that's like, let's go do things.
01:36:55.510 --> 01:36:57.670
And why don't we see what this is about?
01:36:57.739 --> 01:37:04.960
Um, and, and I, at that age, I was very much longing for community and connection and support and just.
01:37:05.789 --> 01:37:07.319
like mindedness and whatnot.
01:37:07.340 --> 01:37:09.539
I was just really craving connection.
01:37:09.810 --> 01:37:14.015
Um, because again, even though you were in college and things like that had been recently.
01:37:14.015 --> 01:37:15.670
I was out of that by then.
01:37:15.680 --> 01:37:19.930
And then we moved back to Colorado and I was surrounded by him and his family.
01:37:19.930 --> 01:37:23.279
And I didn't have my family with me and, and, and I had a newborn and.
01:37:24.085 --> 01:37:25.335
There's a lot of transition there.
01:37:25.335 --> 01:37:33.914
So, so that's really what led me to this idea of, I knew a handful of people from the rodeo world that were going to this church and I said, well, we could try.
01:37:34.015 --> 01:37:34.925
I mean, that'd be kind of neat.
01:37:34.925 --> 01:37:42.095
And, um, and then that's when we really started to exercise that muscle and, and then grow our faith over time.
01:37:42.095 --> 01:37:45.055
And, and now, um, and now, yeah, we, we go.
01:37:45.574 --> 01:37:48.204
Your kids vibe with it and stuff, Sunday school.
01:37:48.645 --> 01:37:48.814
Yep.
01:37:48.824 --> 01:37:51.725
They go to like a rodeo camp every summer.
01:37:51.725 --> 01:38:02.975
And, um, Go back to the kid's church and I'm assuming that it's like totally non denominational and probably kind of a What kind of an open for anybody to come and Yes.
01:38:03.034 --> 01:38:07.234
Engage and be a part of the community, kind of, uh, from a doctrinal level, whatnot.
01:38:07.234 --> 01:38:08.810
Super welcoming, super comfortable.
01:38:09.189 --> 01:38:14.435
Um, and that's what I was attracted to because again, I knew, I knew nothing going in.
01:38:14.435 --> 01:38:20.045
So I wanted a safe space to be able to be myself and to ask questions and to lean into something that was new and different.
01:38:20.045 --> 01:38:20.046
Yeah.
01:38:20.255 --> 01:38:20.314
Yeah.
01:38:21.470 --> 01:38:25.060
Yeah, it definitely fulfilled it and just continued to grow it.
01:38:25.090 --> 01:38:35.729
Um, and then just started to listen into more and, and be influenced if you will, by more business women, um, especially women, uh, but the faith based business women.
01:38:35.750 --> 01:38:38.029
Um, Like podcasts or things like that?
01:38:38.029 --> 01:38:39.020
Like Christie, right.
01:38:39.029 --> 01:38:40.720
Uh, she was a big influence.
01:38:40.720 --> 01:38:48.000
She had that better business, um, boutique, I believe is what it was called, but this book, and I still have the book where I wrote out all my goals for IOMI.
01:38:48.000 --> 01:38:50.149
And it was just, it wasn't even an idea yet.
01:38:50.159 --> 01:38:52.609
And I had used that book to really help me formulate it.
01:38:52.609 --> 01:38:57.350
And it was just a lot about like your faith behind the purpose of what you do.
01:38:57.760 --> 01:38:59.289
Um, so, so yeah.
01:38:59.489 --> 01:39:03.020
Can I ask you a question around like local think tank has always, yeah.
01:39:03.789 --> 01:39:12.560
Like it's, to me it is a ministry of sorts, because I think it is, you know, it's just unhealthy to not be in community, especially for that weird place of being a business owner.
01:39:13.069 --> 01:39:22.720
And I've always kind of kept my faith out of it, but there's, like if there's been a growth sector of peer advisory over the last, Five, 10 years, it has been the faith oriented groups.
01:39:22.829 --> 01:39:33.819
There's a thing called convene and C12 and locally here, there's a former member started a group called the foundry, which is kind of like local think tank with a Christian sticker on it.
01:39:34.869 --> 01:39:46.689
And I'm like, I don't feel like that's my calling to be kind of segmented like that, kind of like you in, I want to, I want to help anybody that is kind of, of our people.
01:39:46.739 --> 01:39:47.050
Yeah.
01:39:47.720 --> 01:39:48.680
But I wonder.
01:39:51.085 --> 01:39:53.274
Is that shortsighted of me to do nothing?
01:39:53.899 --> 01:39:54.859
I, I mean, I don't know.
01:39:55.180 --> 01:39:55.826
I don't know.
01:39:55.831 --> 01:39:59.664
I, so for my personal monthly experience, should I do bible study here at the office or something?
01:39:59.664 --> 01:40:04.555
You know, my personal experience with my chapter that I'm involved in is that I share my faith.
01:40:04.555 --> 01:40:06.774
I, I come in and I say, this is what's going on.
01:40:07.104 --> 01:40:10.300
And, and half of your fellow members maybe are.
01:40:10.760 --> 01:40:12.430
fellow Christians and half are totally not.
01:40:12.430 --> 01:40:13.119
Totally not.
01:40:13.180 --> 01:40:15.590
And, and they, they love me for who I am.
01:40:15.600 --> 01:40:19.569
I love them for who they are and we're just able to be on hold space for each other.
01:40:19.569 --> 01:40:22.949
So, so I, I wouldn't do it different in that regard.
01:40:23.229 --> 01:40:24.260
I'm okay with that.
01:40:24.260 --> 01:40:25.090
I'm okay with that.
01:40:25.109 --> 01:40:26.640
Now I, I really am.
01:40:26.640 --> 01:40:31.989
I'm okay with it because I get that, um, uh, I get that need elsewhere.
01:40:32.020 --> 01:40:34.710
That's kind of what I've always felt like this isn't the place for that.
01:40:34.750 --> 01:40:35.010
Yeah.
01:40:35.079 --> 01:40:38.770
And that's how I feel with my business too, is that we're not a Christian company.
01:40:38.770 --> 01:40:40.750
I happen to be a Christian running a company.
01:40:41.310 --> 01:41:01.100
But that's not our bread and butter because again, I want to be able to support anyone that wants to and I, and I hope and pray truly I do that, um, that they will still be able to come in and get support no matter what their beliefs are really at the end of the day, because their mental health matters more than that, you know, what would you say about.
01:41:03.319 --> 01:41:10.939
Like you don't, I mean, we're called, you know, to witness at least to some extent, although I'm sure there's a limited amount of that that you would do in your practice.
01:41:10.939 --> 01:41:28.619
But to me, um, it feels like Any God is better than no God in some respects from a, from a mental health standpoint, like whether you're Jewish or Muslim or agnostic, but you think there's some kind of a creator up there, not just I'm the boss of me.
01:41:29.149 --> 01:41:32.930
I think there has to be some kind of a spiritual element.
01:41:33.180 --> 01:41:36.425
And again, it could be, It could be the universe.
01:41:36.435 --> 01:41:50.164
Like a lot of people like the energy and humanism and whatever it could be, but I do think that there needs to be a higher purpose of some kind, a sense of spirituality, something bigger than me is my bigger than me.
01:41:50.164 --> 01:41:50.475
Yep.
01:41:50.814 --> 01:41:53.204
I do think that's a big part of like overall.
01:41:54.295 --> 01:42:03.095
Cause in, in my company, we, we believe in that holistic approach that in order to be in our best mental health, we have to address our physical health and then we, we have the mind, body, and soul.
01:42:03.125 --> 01:42:05.585
And so soul looks so different from people, right?
01:42:05.585 --> 01:42:06.914
My faith falls under that.
01:42:07.024 --> 01:42:07.375
Sure.
01:42:07.404 --> 01:42:08.935
Um, but some people.
01:42:09.005 --> 01:42:11.435
But so does listening to good, uh, Jimi Hendrix album.
01:42:11.734 --> 01:42:12.034
Truly.
01:42:12.145 --> 01:42:16.824
It's like a hundred percent music absolutely falls under like good for the soul category too.
01:42:16.824 --> 01:42:17.136
Yeah.
01:42:17.136 --> 01:42:19.931
Or a good run or a nature hike or.
01:42:19.931 --> 01:42:20.243
Yeah.
01:42:20.243 --> 01:42:24.592
I don't, yeah, it's exactly being, being grounded and being just centered in that.
01:42:24.592 --> 01:42:33.395
What, again, no matter what the belief is, um, I think that there's a per, there needs to be a bigger sense of purpose and idea.
01:42:33.435 --> 01:42:33.864
Yeah.
01:42:33.864 --> 01:42:34.295
I tend to agree.
01:42:34.295 --> 01:42:34.614
Yeah.
01:42:34.615 --> 01:42:34.685
Yeah.
01:42:34.685 --> 01:42:34.944
Yeah.
01:42:35.454 --> 01:42:38.465
Anything else you want to share on the religion macro topic?
01:42:38.585 --> 01:42:38.835
No.
01:42:38.835 --> 01:42:39.045
Yeah.
01:42:39.045 --> 01:42:43.734
I think it's just loving people where they're at, no matter what that is, as, as, as, as always.
01:42:43.755 --> 01:42:45.824
But, um, should we have another awkward question?
01:42:46.284 --> 01:42:47.515
I'm testing these segments out.
01:42:47.604 --> 01:42:48.015
Sure.
01:42:48.585 --> 01:42:50.704
Do you remember your first kiss with Tyler?
01:42:50.706 --> 01:42:53.425
Uh, yeah.
01:42:54.484 --> 01:42:56.795
Would you like to share some details?
01:42:56.805 --> 01:43:08.074
So, so we were competing at the college rodeo in, um, in, uh, so we went to Oklahoma Penn Handel State University, the cheapest university in all of the country.
01:43:08.414 --> 01:43:11.835
Um, it is, but you've got a scholarship, so it was even cheaper.
01:43:13.895 --> 01:43:15.225
Both competing on the rodeo team.
01:43:15.225 --> 01:43:17.965
And we were headed to Manhattan, Kansas for our rodeo.
01:43:18.270 --> 01:43:21.239
Um, it was like, I think a nine hour drive and it was cold.
01:43:21.239 --> 01:43:22.760
I think this was in February.
01:43:22.770 --> 01:43:23.060
It was so cold.
01:43:23.069 --> 01:43:24.949
Right, and the bus windows are leaky.
01:43:25.119 --> 01:43:27.404
Well, no, we have a truck and a horse trailer, right?
01:43:27.404 --> 01:43:27.739
Oh, right.
01:43:27.789 --> 01:43:29.520
Yes, so we have our horses that we have to haul.
01:43:29.529 --> 01:43:30.380
You were dating already?
01:43:30.439 --> 01:43:30.729
Nope.
01:43:30.880 --> 01:43:31.399
No, okay.
01:43:31.479 --> 01:43:36.954
Um, so me and my old roommate, Krista, uh, we were dating.
01:43:37.104 --> 01:43:38.654
going to go just ourselves.
01:43:38.654 --> 01:43:43.185
And then we caught wind that this other group were going and they had room for our horses.
01:43:43.185 --> 01:43:44.925
So we're like, Hey, it's a nine hour drive.
01:43:44.935 --> 01:43:46.675
We should just, we don't need to take two cars.
01:43:46.685 --> 01:43:49.484
We don't need to take two vehicles and trailers.
01:43:49.484 --> 01:43:49.805
Yeah.
01:43:49.975 --> 01:43:57.515
Um, so we decided to compile, um, and then, and then, yeah, we just kind of hit it off and you weren't acquainted barely before.
01:43:57.515 --> 01:43:57.835
Yeah.
01:43:57.835 --> 01:44:01.314
So we, we, so we both were from, he's born and raised in Fort Collins.
01:44:01.385 --> 01:44:03.145
Um, and then I'm from Craig.
01:44:03.145 --> 01:44:05.805
So we Colorado high school rodeo together.
01:44:05.805 --> 01:44:06.404
And so we would.
01:44:06.744 --> 01:44:22.895
Travel like of each other a little bit and then decided we happened just happenstance went to panhandle State University together to compete in rodeo and So we're on this nine hour drive and you guys are in the backseat or what's going on here?
01:44:22.895 --> 01:44:25.295
I need a little more details for our listeners Becky.
01:44:25.324 --> 01:44:30.920
Come on I just can't give too many details.
01:44:31.409 --> 01:44:38.489
But, uh, yeah, we were just on a long road trip and, uh, and that's when we, when we started our relationship.
01:44:38.729 --> 01:44:41.819
Oh, you went all the way in the backseat on the road?
01:44:41.829 --> 01:44:42.689
Dang, Vicki.
01:44:43.069 --> 01:44:44.094
Tyler, you're stud.
01:44:44.094 --> 01:44:46.449
No, I'm just going to assume that's the case.
01:44:46.449 --> 01:44:46.819
Sorry.
01:44:46.820 --> 01:44:50.989
If you won't share details, I'm just going to write the story in my own mind.
01:44:51.020 --> 01:45:04.069
No, we went to the bar that night and then of course we shared our first kiss that night, and we were in college and young and dumb and, and we may have had too many beverages and, and had our first kiss.
01:45:04.180 --> 01:45:04.939
Truly, truly.
01:45:04.970 --> 01:45:08.609
That was, I promise you, I was somewhat of a lady.
01:45:09.170 --> 01:45:09.579
I believe you.
01:45:09.680 --> 01:45:09.899
Yeah.
01:45:10.390 --> 01:45:17.270
Um, do you want to share a, uh, loco experience, uh, as our final segment?
01:45:19.020 --> 01:45:23.279
Yeah, that time you got busy in the backseat of the pickup on the way to the rodeo, I guess.
01:45:25.140 --> 01:45:26.996
Sorry, your daughters will listen to this.
01:45:26.996 --> 01:45:27.860
I'm just teasing them.
01:45:27.860 --> 01:45:28.510
No, I know.
01:45:29.289 --> 01:45:31.630
They, they know that it was a nine hour drive.
01:45:31.630 --> 01:45:33.479
It was funny, but nine hours.
01:45:33.479 --> 01:45:34.189
That's some stamina.
01:45:34.189 --> 01:45:34.659
Oh man.
01:45:35.270 --> 01:45:37.180
Well, that's rodeo.
01:45:37.310 --> 01:45:39.409
I'm telling you guys.
01:45:39.430 --> 01:45:39.810
Yeah.
01:45:39.970 --> 01:45:42.829
Rodeo cowboys are just a little different breed for sure.
01:45:42.899 --> 01:45:44.729
Um, I thought it was eight seconds.
01:45:47.770 --> 01:45:47.880
Yeah.
01:45:48.914 --> 01:45:53.375
So a crazy experience, like with, with, with, within what a year, what are we talking about?
01:45:53.375 --> 01:45:53.685
Yeah.
01:45:53.685 --> 01:45:58.555
I mean, it could be a moment, uh, you know, because loco experience is the name of the podcast.
01:45:58.895 --> 01:46:05.215
So a crazy experience, a little play on words, um, but it could be, you know, it could be spiritual.
01:46:05.215 --> 01:46:09.944
It could be a crazy experience with your daughter where she just showed you how smart she was.
01:46:10.435 --> 01:46:11.034
I don't know.
01:46:11.095 --> 01:46:12.635
Any kind of a crazy experience.
01:46:13.194 --> 01:46:17.715
You know, I, yeah, I, I honestly, like you're kind of a good girl like to be real, I mean, I am.
01:46:17.755 --> 01:46:17.954
Yeah.
01:46:18.435 --> 01:46:18.774
Naughty.
01:46:19.194 --> 01:46:19.895
Kid experience.
01:46:20.055 --> 01:46:22.354
No, I mean, no, not too bad.
01:46:22.425 --> 01:46:27.675
Um, I'm very much like we could let up one of those joints right now That would be crazy for you.
01:46:27.845 --> 01:46:28.755
That would be crazy.
01:46:28.925 --> 01:46:45.520
You're gonna give me a ride home a little bit You just text Tyler don't come pick you up join with Kurt He would actually probably think it was funny He would, he would.
01:46:45.520 --> 01:46:47.500
He's, he's so, he would love you nevertheless.
01:46:47.500 --> 01:46:48.159
A hundred percent.
01:46:48.760 --> 01:46:48.850
Yeah.
01:46:48.854 --> 01:46:49.720
Well, that's what I love about it.
01:46:49.720 --> 01:46:50.140
Becky did it.
01:46:50.140 --> 01:46:52.329
That's just part of her journey and I love her for it.
01:46:52.574 --> 01:46:54.310
Yeah, that's exactly Tyler, yeah.
01:46:54.899 --> 01:46:56.430
Um, crazy experience.
01:46:56.430 --> 01:46:56.909
I don't know.
01:46:56.909 --> 01:47:01.109
I mean, well, uh, okay, so this is a fun fact about me.
01:47:01.170 --> 01:47:06.010
Um, I am a part owner of an outfitting business, a hunting and outfitting business.
01:47:06.010 --> 01:47:06.100
Oh, yeah.
01:47:06.100 --> 01:47:06.694
I don't know if I've ever.
01:47:08.140 --> 01:47:12.279
Brushed against it when we were last in, but it's like an elk property up there over there.
01:47:12.310 --> 01:47:16.050
So my dad has had this business for like 40, some 40 years or so.
01:47:16.670 --> 01:47:22.170
Um, and he was just getting ready to get out of it, wanted to, wanted to get out of it.
01:47:22.170 --> 01:47:26.689
And so me and my oldest sister took over and he's still part owner.
01:47:26.750 --> 01:47:31.229
Um, and the funny thing is though I was born and raised around it, but it was one of those things.
01:47:31.630 --> 01:47:33.979
I was also born and raised right next to steamboat Springs.
01:47:34.000 --> 01:47:36.399
And the first time I ever went skiing was in New Mexico.
01:47:37.520 --> 01:47:39.189
I didn't do it because it was too easy.
01:47:39.199 --> 01:47:40.149
Like, I was just like.
01:47:40.670 --> 01:47:42.659
I don't know, uh, rebel or something.
01:47:42.979 --> 01:47:44.340
I was like, no, I don't want to do anything with it.
01:47:44.359 --> 01:47:45.859
So same thing with the hunting stuff.
01:47:46.279 --> 01:47:51.600
I didn't get my hunter safety card until I was like 26 years old, even though I was born and raised with it.
01:47:51.649 --> 01:47:57.170
Um, so then dad proposes this idea of like, Hey, I'd really love my daughters to be able to take over this business.
01:47:57.170 --> 01:47:59.270
And I'm like, well, I don't know anything about hunting, but.
01:47:59.774 --> 01:48:00.654
Yeah, sure.
01:48:00.675 --> 01:48:05.454
Let I'm like, because I don't like it by now and I want to keep it alive.
01:48:05.545 --> 01:48:07.024
Yeah, it's a legacy of it.
01:48:07.055 --> 01:48:10.175
Um, and, and there are so many, it's nostalgia.
01:48:10.175 --> 01:48:14.944
It's so many good memories from going up to hunting camp and, and hanging out with the guys and whatnot.
01:48:15.015 --> 01:48:24.250
Um, so, um, So long story short, uh, two years ago, I suppose it was one of our second season hunters had gotten a bull and he says, I think I got it down.
01:48:24.260 --> 01:48:24.899
It's over here.
01:48:24.899 --> 01:48:27.020
And he gives me like kind of the coordinates of where he's at.
01:48:27.020 --> 01:48:28.829
And I said, okay, it's getting dark.
01:48:28.840 --> 01:48:33.010
I was like, well, we better go get hands on it because we need to quarter it out before it rots basically.
01:48:33.130 --> 01:48:33.260
Right.
01:48:33.680 --> 01:48:36.050
And it's early season, so it's gonna be warm overnight.
01:48:36.069 --> 01:48:36.840
Well, no, no, no.
01:48:36.840 --> 01:48:37.779
It's a blizzard.
01:48:37.780 --> 01:48:39.409
Oh, okay.
01:48:40.130 --> 01:48:42.420
Well, that'll take care of the rot problem, as long as you get it gutted good.
01:48:42.449 --> 01:48:45.617
Well, but the snow actually acts as a, as an insulator.
01:48:45.617 --> 01:48:47.793
And so it's actually worse.
01:48:47.793 --> 01:48:48.664
Yeah, fair.
01:48:48.664 --> 01:48:52.704
Um, so, uh, At this time, we're super new to this idea in business.
01:48:52.704 --> 01:48:54.725
And of course, I'm a, I'm an Enneagram three.
01:48:54.725 --> 01:48:55.864
So I'm like, Oh, I got this.
01:48:55.935 --> 01:48:57.005
I can do this.
01:48:57.015 --> 01:48:58.103
It's just you and your sister.
01:48:58.103 --> 01:48:59.614
You don't have like a guide or.
01:48:59.805 --> 01:49:00.114
Nope.
01:49:00.114 --> 01:49:05.034
It's just, so it's just me and my husband that take over first rifle and second rifle seasons.
01:49:05.034 --> 01:49:08.954
Um, and so, and then the oldest sister takes over third and fourth rifle season.
01:49:08.954 --> 01:49:09.475
Okay.
01:49:09.534 --> 01:49:10.994
Um, so it's just me and Tyler there.
01:49:10.994 --> 01:49:11.635
Tyler is.
01:49:13.069 --> 01:49:13.619
He's cooking.
01:49:13.640 --> 01:49:17.420
He's, he's hanging out in the cook tent and he's already got that going on and I job too.
01:49:17.810 --> 01:49:18.789
Yeah, he's the cook in our, in our house.
01:49:18.789 --> 01:49:20.319
Go court of that, Errol, Becky.
01:49:20.320 --> 01:49:20.860
Yeah, exactly.
01:49:20.860 --> 01:49:23.609
So I was like, oh, I, it's okay, I'll go.
01:49:23.649 --> 01:49:27.460
So I go out there and I've got headlamps and we're trying to find this and sure as heck we find this.
01:49:28.880 --> 01:49:38.300
And, and so they're the Oklahoma boys, we call them and they look at me and they're like, Oh man, we're so excited to learn how to do, um, this gutless quarter that you guys keep talking about.
01:49:38.300 --> 01:49:40.539
And I was like, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
01:49:41.029 --> 01:49:41.260
Yeah.
01:49:41.260 --> 01:49:42.659
I'm going to show you guys how to do this.
01:49:43.359 --> 01:49:44.699
I've never done it on my own.
01:49:44.899 --> 01:49:48.720
I've only done it with my dad or a gutless quarter.
01:49:48.720 --> 01:49:49.060
Yeah.
01:49:49.390 --> 01:49:50.960
You mean you gut it first and you quarter it?
01:49:51.000 --> 01:49:51.539
No, no, no.
01:49:51.560 --> 01:49:52.680
You leave the gut bag intact.
01:49:52.689 --> 01:49:52.930
Yes.
01:49:53.750 --> 01:50:01.010
Yeah, so for a bull elk, it's just easier to do that because we have a lot of California hunters and they can't take the brain over the state line.
01:50:01.109 --> 01:50:01.319
Okay.
01:50:01.609 --> 01:50:06.399
So, and, or brain or the spine, so it doesn't make any sense to pack out the, the ribs or anything.
01:50:06.399 --> 01:50:06.869
Sure.
01:50:06.920 --> 01:50:07.539
We leave that.
01:50:07.670 --> 01:50:07.699
Okay.
01:50:07.710 --> 01:50:09.189
Um, so you quarter it out.
01:50:09.630 --> 01:50:16.386
Oh, so you just take the quarters off and leave the, the chest cavity and probably take the back straps and call it good on the body.
01:50:16.386 --> 01:50:16.965
Yep, and then back straps and the tenderloins.
01:50:16.966 --> 01:50:18.225
Yeah.
01:50:18.225 --> 01:50:21.484
So, so they say, I can't wait to learn from you, Becky.
01:50:23.475 --> 01:50:24.875
I can't wait to learn while you're watching me.
01:50:25.085 --> 01:50:26.694
And I say, you bet.
01:50:26.765 --> 01:50:28.335
And that's just my mentality.
01:50:28.335 --> 01:50:30.574
I'm just like, yeah, you know, we'll, we'll figure this out.
01:50:30.645 --> 01:50:31.494
It will figure this out.
01:50:31.534 --> 01:50:32.864
And I, I'm always the yes girl.
01:50:32.864 --> 01:50:33.954
And then I figure it out on the way.
01:50:34.475 --> 01:50:37.085
And so I'm out there and I'm, I'm quartering this out.
01:50:37.305 --> 01:50:37.835
on my own.
01:50:37.845 --> 01:50:40.354
They're just holding up some legs and helping and stuff.
01:50:40.425 --> 01:50:45.135
Um, and then we, we get it done and I get the tenderloins and the back straps and all that out.
01:50:45.534 --> 01:50:48.034
And then, I mean, it is a blizzard.
01:50:48.055 --> 01:50:49.045
It is snowing.
01:50:49.045 --> 01:50:50.795
It's pitch black at this time.
01:50:50.824 --> 01:50:53.465
And I do it all by myself with those guys helping.
01:50:53.465 --> 01:50:57.295
Of course, we take pictures, we hike back in and then the next morning.
01:50:57.295 --> 01:50:59.015
So we leave it there now that it's quartered.
01:50:59.015 --> 01:50:59.505
It's good.
01:51:00.104 --> 01:51:05.354
Um, and then the next morning we go out and then Tyler and I, Put it on our backs and hike it out.
01:51:05.354 --> 01:51:06.414
Cause it's in this Valley.
01:51:07.904 --> 01:51:12.215
And I have a hind quarter and a front quarter in my backpack, in my pack.
01:51:12.225 --> 01:51:13.494
So like 80 pounds or something.
01:51:13.545 --> 01:51:16.185
Oh, I think I would, I would think more than that.
01:51:16.185 --> 01:51:22.225
And Tyler has like hoist me up just to be able to stand.
01:51:22.225 --> 01:51:23.475
I'm like, okay, I think I got this.
01:51:23.475 --> 01:51:27.645
And then we get down a little bit and then we, now we have the uphill part and I'm like, I got to take a break.
01:51:27.895 --> 01:51:36.324
So I sit down and I'm just like, I, I tried to, I tried to stand up, but I was like, my legs are not activating, I can not get up.
01:51:36.335 --> 01:51:36.774
I can't.
01:51:36.774 --> 01:51:42.551
And so I, I like topple over and get back up and, and, uh, and it's just, it's beautiful.
01:51:42.551 --> 01:51:45.024
It's so beautiful out.
01:51:45.024 --> 01:51:51.734
And it's just this like surreal moment, um, to go out there and just be so like, I don't, yeah.
01:51:51.734 --> 01:51:52.965
Just the Oklahoma boys.
01:51:54.079 --> 01:52:00.689
Because like, even though I called you an old lady earlier, like you're a pretty young gal in reality, real terms.
01:52:00.750 --> 01:52:11.899
And like 37, just turned 37 and they're like out there, you know, watching you in this dark of night, like hack this elk up.
01:52:11.920 --> 01:52:14.529
They have no idea that you're really first timing it.
01:52:15.680 --> 01:52:23.250
But I have to think that their level of appreciation and respect for you is like bouncing off the, off the pigs, which, which.
01:52:23.609 --> 01:52:26.460
As an Enneagram 3, that's, that fills my cup.
01:52:26.659 --> 01:52:27.270
I'm sure.
01:52:27.270 --> 01:52:28.239
That fills my cup.
01:52:28.449 --> 01:52:29.789
Yeah, you're like, eat it, dudes.
01:52:30.340 --> 01:52:33.840
Like, if you guys could, you would, but you can't, so I'm going to do this for you.
01:52:33.840 --> 01:52:39.260
And then one of the guys, he was great, and he's like, he's like, afterwards, he's like, you know what I put your name in my phone as?
01:52:39.279 --> 01:52:40.220
And I was like, well, I don't know.
01:52:40.220 --> 01:52:41.630
He's like, badass Becky.
01:52:41.920 --> 01:52:44.989
And I was like, oh, I just am winning.
01:52:45.020 --> 01:52:45.979
I just felt great.
01:52:46.130 --> 01:52:48.760
So that, that was a crazy experience.
01:52:48.770 --> 01:52:49.042
I'm sure.
01:52:49.042 --> 01:52:49.545
I'm sure.
01:52:49.704 --> 01:53:04.505
I will forever remember because it was just, and it was surreal too, because we, we were doing something very uncomfortable, very new, very challenging physically, but, um, but because this was completely new, but it's also such a big part of our legacy as a family.
01:53:05.395 --> 01:53:07.074
And these hunters have been coming for so many years.
01:53:07.074 --> 01:53:08.664
I'm surprised you guys weren't wearing horses.
01:53:08.925 --> 01:53:13.145
Well, typically we will do that, but that, that hike wasn't, it wasn't far enough.
01:53:13.164 --> 01:53:16.635
And it was just like, it was just one quick kind of just off camp kind of thing.
01:53:16.694 --> 01:53:17.104
Yeah.
01:53:17.175 --> 01:53:17.385
Yeah.
01:53:18.074 --> 01:53:21.994
And you couldn't get a trailer, it would, it would have been more difficult to get the horses there.
01:53:22.085 --> 01:53:22.635
Fair enough.
01:53:22.795 --> 01:53:26.094
Well, um, I like that story actually, that's a pretty good one.
01:53:26.094 --> 01:53:26.524
That's fun.
01:53:26.664 --> 01:53:35.564
I'm looking forward to our third conversation when we can, uh, talk about the, uh, mountain goat or the black bear or something like that that you guys got down there.
01:53:35.725 --> 01:53:36.625
Do you guys have bears over there?
01:53:37.045 --> 01:53:37.274
Yeah.
01:53:37.314 --> 01:53:38.375
Just black bears probably.
01:53:38.465 --> 01:53:38.774
Yeah.
01:53:39.055 --> 01:53:40.545
We had moose on the property this year.
01:53:40.545 --> 01:53:41.265
Oh wow.
01:53:41.375 --> 01:53:41.725
I know.
01:53:41.784 --> 01:53:42.635
That was kind of new.
01:53:43.064 --> 01:53:45.975
Could I, could I hunt there for moose if I had a permit for that zone?
01:53:46.015 --> 01:53:47.564
Yeah, I believe so.
01:53:47.975 --> 01:53:48.335
I believe so.
01:53:48.354 --> 01:53:48.965
You would let me?
01:53:49.255 --> 01:53:50.215
I mean, you would, yeah.
01:53:50.215 --> 01:53:50.645
Not really.
01:53:50.734 --> 01:53:51.244
You'd have to.
01:53:51.734 --> 01:53:53.676
Well, we don't sell moose hunt, so I'm not sure.
01:53:53.676 --> 01:53:54.164
That's what I'm saying.
01:53:54.164 --> 01:53:55.534
Yeah, I could just sneak out there.
01:53:55.814 --> 01:53:58.774
Park my ambulance camper on your property and just go moose hunting.
01:53:58.774 --> 01:53:59.954
We would, we would know.
01:53:59.954 --> 01:54:00.435
I'm sure.
01:54:00.435 --> 01:54:00.725
You've seen it.
01:54:00.734 --> 01:54:01.314
We'd see ya.
01:54:02.765 --> 01:54:04.305
Uh, Becky, I think you're swell.
01:54:04.305 --> 01:54:07.475
Yeah, Um, and I'm glad you spent a little time here with me again.
01:54:07.774 --> 01:54:08.824
I appreciate you.
01:54:09.064 --> 01:54:09.215
Yeah.
01:54:09.314 --> 01:54:11.045
Look forward to our next conversation.
01:54:11.534 --> 01:54:12.284
Have a great Thanksgiving.
01:54:12.364 --> 01:54:12.734
Thank you.
01:54:12.734 --> 01:54:13.015
You too.
01:54:13.244 --> 01:54:13.375
Yeah.
01:54:13.375 --> 01:54:14.324
I know you voted for Trump.
01:54:14.494 --> 01:54:16.595
Don't even, I don't, I don't say nothing.
01:54:16.604 --> 01:54:17.135
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