EXPERIENCE 190 | Where Every Client in a Big Deal - Talking Full-Service Marketing & Events with Christine Forster, CEO and owner of Big Deal Company

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I met Christine Forster at a big fun event of some sort.

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We both can't remember circa 2022.

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And we had a short, but lovely conversation and she was super interested in what Loco Think Tank was all about and gave me her card with encouragement to connect.

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And then her card got lost in the shuffle and we didn't connect proper until this podcast conversation.

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As much as I love sharing a conversation with someone I've known for years, it's quite special to me when I get to know someone in the podcast studio.

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Christine started her business in 2006 as My Big Day Company and their first events were imagined and created as a service to the community, not for clients.

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Their very first, the Adult Prom, was for adults of any age who missed out on prom in their high school years or just wanted a redo and were participant stressed in the fashion of their high school days.

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The NoCo Easter Keg Hunt is an annual scavenger hunt that takes place in downtown Fort Collins and Loveland and will continue in 2025 in its 17th year.

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These early events were all about community and grownups acting, how they feel inside.

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Christine was full time employed in marketing and advertising for over a decade while she grew her business.

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And they did a lot of wedding planning and event execution in the early years.

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My big day has grown steadily and transitioned to become big deal company in recent years.

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And Christine has built a team of marketers and event planners that now put on over 100 events annually and do full service marketing for their events.

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Clients.

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And only do weddings on a very selective basis.

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Christine left the security of her day job in 2022 for the joy of being a full time entrepreneur.

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And hasn't looked back and all these business facts don't tell the tale of the person.

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Christine and I went over two and a half hours in this podcast conversation, and we probably could have gone a couple more.

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We talked business and ideas and chase squirrels and shared laughs.

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And we drank two bottles of white wine.

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I left the conversation more convinced than ever that she is indeed and considers all of her clients.

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A big deal.

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And so I hope you join me and enjoy my conversation with Christine Forrester.

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welcome back to the Loco Experience Podcast.

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I'm here today with Christine Forrester and she is the CEO of the Big Deal Company.

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That's right.

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And uh, where every client is a big deal.

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That's right.

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Thank you.

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Thanks for having me.

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Yeah.

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Thanks for being here.

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Um, probably for a lot of our people, they, Might not even know about the big deal company because you guys are intentionally behind the scenes a lot.

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We are.

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You don't actually see event planners if they're doing their job well, right behind the scenes and marketers too.

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We're at home on our computers making magic happen for your business.

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We are both, we are full service marketing, full service events.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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So, um, maybe can you talk to me about like, what a, What a great client is for you.

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Or maybe even, are you allowed to share examples of people you work with?

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Or is that kind of private?

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Sure.

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Well, yeah.

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I mean, we have license.

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We can.

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Yeah.

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We try not to pick favorites, right?

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Yeah.

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Every client is a big deal.

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That's our motto.

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Uh, so.

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Oh, full service.

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Um, everything is a lot.

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You could use a few different examples of events, even if you wanted to not pick one.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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So, um, we're the marketing of the events.

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It's traditional marketing because we have advertising and broadcast backgrounds, um, but also, um, event execution.

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And so we, we manage everything from retreats and conferences.

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We still manage some weddings, but it's not largely the bulk of our business, festivals, you name it.

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Uh, we're, we try to do it all, but we select only those that we know we can do well.

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We average about a hundred events a year.

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And maybe, maybe a description of.

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Some of the kind you said some festivals and stuff, but for people most over half of our listeners in northern Colorado.

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Yeah, so Yeah, exactly.

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Exactly.

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So maybe that would be a little easier for me to imagine sure so When starting out we did a lot that we created just on our own So it was our own original events that we did for the community just for fun Really?

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So our very very first event as a new business was So, uh, this was the very first adult prom in northern Colorado.

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And so, um, it was super unique in that you could dress in whatever, um, year you wanted to dress in, or, you know, kind of genre.

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Um, maybe missed out on prom, or you want a prom re do, that was the whole concept.

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We also originated the Easter keg hunt, which has been here for 16 years now?

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Easter keg hunt?

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Easter keg hunt.

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Keg hunt! Scavenger hunt for adults on foot.

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Okay.

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To find different kinds of drinks.

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beers on tap or whatever?

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Kind of.

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You, it's a way to have folks visit different businesses, but, um, to get there, you have to solve a clue.

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So you're hunting for Easter eggs as adults hidden around old town, Fort Collins and downtown Loveland.

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And then we write all of the custom clues that would help get you to the next business.

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So it could be a crossword puzzle.

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It could be, you know, an, um, an obscure reference to something.

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And so The teams come together and try to solve it to get to the next stop.

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The next stop they get to drink or they're hunting for an egg and then that takes them to the next stop.

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And these were some of the events that you created basically to announce your presence.

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And capabilities to the marketplace or it was just for fun or like, talk to me here.

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So it seems like a lot of work just to, or do you actually make money on these?

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You charge 50 bucks a piece to be in the prom or whatever, a hundred bucks a piece.

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Originally there was no business plan.

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It was just, I just knew that I was good at planning events and I wanted to give adults something to look forward to.

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Cause I felt like as a, as a person who was beyond my college years, I in the workforce, um, on the side.

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So this wasn't full time way back when it was just, I want to do something that's fun.

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It's intentional and it's very creative.

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Were you a single person at this time?

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I was.

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And in fact, I see your wedding ring now and we can talk about that later, but, uh, I assume that your husband would be like weirded out if you were scheduling this prom event that he wasn't included.

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I had a date.

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Um, he left halfway through.

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But no, I honestly, I remember pitching the idea of the Easter cake hunt to my boyfriend at the time.

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And he was like, I don't get it.

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It'll never work.

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No one will want to do that.

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And here we are.

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And it sells out every year.

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Oh, really?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But it's, it's, I haven't.

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taking part because I'm an old married guy.

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You don't have to be single to do any of these events.

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Okay.

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But the idea was for us to take my wife to prom if I wanted to.

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You could.

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Yeah, you could.

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Um, the idea is really to help people feel young again.

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Um, and just act how we feel on the inside, even though our years might say something else.

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So that was the original thought.

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There was no business plan behind it.

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Uh, you know, pay for it was the thought.

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You said you were working a regular job.

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Full time doing media and always knew I had event planner skills in the background, but hadn't pieced it all together just yet.

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I had to start the business because I, uh, had folks asking me to work for them on the side.

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So clients saying, Hey, we like what to do.

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Could we hire you to do X, Y, Z for a company outside of.

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And so once I got my first little W2 in the mail saying, Hey, You have to pay taxes on this.

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That's what started my company.

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There you go.

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Yeah.

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So it was always just about the people first and it still is the people now.

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And when was this?

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Uh, we are 18 years old, 2006.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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And how long was it a side hustle for you?

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Uh, up until very recently.

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So I, I am a serial worker, so I've always had multiple jobs.

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I, I was doing side gigs before side gig was a phrase or, you know, so, uh, I worked in media.

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Um, and then I also worked in software for the media and had a really, really great situation where I traveled for a living, but also could remote work from home and before remote work was really a thing.

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And um, this was just my fun.

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And then I had people start calling me and saying, Hey, how are you?

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I like what you're doing.

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Can I work for you?

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And I'm like, I don't even work for me.

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It's just, it's fun.

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I just do it.

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And it just grew and grew and grew until now it is what it is.

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And it has to be full time because it's quite large.

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And what, uh, what, what is your team?

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Is your team also a bunch of freelancer part timer things and side hustlers and moms that want to stay involved?

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And.

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Yeah, it's a very unique makeup.

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So, um, the we attract folks who like to bring joy to others.

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And so that's where that's what's in all of our nature in our core.

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One of your questions was, who's your ideal client?

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It's people who care about others and give back.

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So we really only work with businesses who are Authentic and kind and care about the community.

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Um, so it lends itself to a lot of nonprofits, but also really, really wonderful business owners.

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And, um, naturally big deal.

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We were my big day at the time.

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So we, we rebranded two years ago.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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I think that's, we first met and you were my big day.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Were you trying to focus on event planning or wedding planning at the time?

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No, event planning at the time.

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Um, but we wanted it to be generic enough where your big day could be anything.

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But in hindsight, it really lended itself more to weddings.

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So we knew we had to make the name change.

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Just a rebrand takes quite a bit of effort and money.

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So we did.

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Um, but so yes, we are, um, you know, we have employees, but we're also contractors and, um, it's very customized for everyone's work style, lifestyle.

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We, I support a lot of single moms.

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Right.

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And one, that's part of the reason to develop the marketing agency, part of it, cause that's consistent.

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It is.

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Revenue and activity for any kind of business, whereas events might be, you know, Local Think Tank probably does eight or, I mean, eight real events a year and then another dozen little things.

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Sure.

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Um, but that's quite a bit.

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That's way more than most, you know, probably most do four to six events a year or something like that.

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And so that's like, you got to do a big push, get 150 people there for the, in a showroom for this thing or whatever.

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But then, then there isn't much to do after that until the next event.

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And then all of a sudden your people are like, Hey, when's the next time you need a bunch of help?

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Right.

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Yeah.

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It's a peaks and valleys industry.

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That is for sure.

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It it's got seasonalities, but also, um, every client is a little bit different in what they need and when.

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And so we've always been marketing first because of my background in broadcasting and so agency work, media buys, uh, knowing how to reach the right target audience, but.

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Event planning is a passion, so you put the two together, you still can't have an event without marketing it, so they go hand in hand.

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Do you take clients that don't need events?

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We do.

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We have a, we do have a handful of clients that don't do any events, but they've utilized us when they're having something like an open house or ribbon cutting where, you know, it's It's not part of their regular routine, but you can still do that, you would still do that.

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Yeah.

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Um, and their cause is sufficiently cool that your people want to work on it.

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Yes.

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Exactly.

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Exactly.

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All right.

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Yeah.

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Um, like.

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Uh, what's the secret to like, like, right now we've got an event coming up called ThinkerFest.

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I don't know if you've seen it yet.

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I saw it.

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You haven't registered yet.

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I haven't.

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I looked it up last night.

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We're lagging in our registrations behind our targets here.

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Yeah.

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Um, like what, what are some of the principles of, not that you should really tip your hand too much, but, um.

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We love when people share of the things they've learned from doing things for a long time, you know, and, and some of our listeners are really small, they can't afford you yet.

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Right.

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Uh, so what, what would you say are some of the top two, three, four things when it comes to getting attendance to an event?

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Uh, yeah, that's a tricky one.

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And actually it's more, more tricky this year or these past two years than ever before.

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Yeah, I noticed.

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We had this big lull.

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Where we couldn't do anything, and then a big comeback where we couldn't do anything.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Excited to do anything.

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Please let me do something.

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Yes.

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And now everyone is back.

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Everyone's having events.

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Statistics are showing that smaller events are more popular than large events.

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More, um, intimate events where you're getting to know people.

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You have those, um, in person true connections.

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Yep.

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Is the trend right now.

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But as far as advertising, um, and marketing, not everyone has a massive budget where they can spend everywhere.

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You can't do Right, right.

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YouTube and radio.

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Radio commercials and TV ads.

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Yeah, all of it.

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So you have to be strategic.

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We, we recommend a handful of things and there are some, there are some low cost ways to get the word out.

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Um, your current customers, clients, partnerships are the best.

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Still, word of mouth is still the strongest.

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And no traditional broadcaster wants to say that.

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But the messaging to them is the most important, right?

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Yep.

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Like, why do they care enough to, you know Yeah.

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And if someone's going to pick up your event or talk about it, there's got to be some sort of sizzle.

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What makes it different?

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And I think that's one thing our business is always focused on and done.

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Well, is that we always are looking for those unique creative touches.

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What makes it different?

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We will advise our clients on it, whether or not they take the advice or not.

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You have to stand out.

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Otherwise it just won't work.

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It won't be what you want it to be.

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You don't realize this, but I'm interviewing you right now about doing some event stuff for Loco Think Tank.

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I love it.

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Um, so, so that's a big, you know, that's a big thing, just differentiating, standing out.

00:14:58.889 --> 00:15:06.389
Like there's so many choices and options available to people that you can't, uh, other, other main things that come to mind?

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Uh, folks want to know that they're getting a good deal because everything is so expensive right now.

00:15:12.485 --> 00:15:15.184
Your cost to put it on is double what it was two years ago.

00:15:15.184 --> 00:15:15.355
Right, right.

00:15:15.355 --> 00:15:17.495
And people want to get it for half as much.

00:15:17.504 --> 00:15:17.774
Yep.

00:15:17.875 --> 00:15:18.615
Exactly.

00:15:18.894 --> 00:15:19.534
Exactly.

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I'm not going to say their name.

00:15:20.485 --> 00:15:27.495
We had a client that just suggested to us today that they should be getting their venues for free because of how Who they are.

00:15:27.495 --> 00:15:29.705
How much exposure they bring to their venue.

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Yes, and while Yes, I would I would love to live in a world I think it would be so cool if I could for my services 100 percent trade for your services And we all win and there we don't even need money because we all just help each other out.

00:15:43.125 --> 00:15:48.284
Yeah, you grow corn Yeah, I make beer Everyone's happy.

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It doesn't It's just like if you picture, um, press release writing, our media is very different than it was 10 years ago, five years ago.

00:16:04.899 --> 00:16:21.149
But when, if I'm someone who is going to write an article and publish it, no matter where it is, if it, any kind of medium, it, there has to be something that's There's gotta be sizzle, there has to be something grabby, someone has to die, someone has to be near death for them to pick it up.

00:16:21.309 --> 00:16:25.940
So just, uh, so and so is announcing this event won't do it.

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And so you have to have those creative words.

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Yes, AI can help you, but AI is fouling it up left and right.

00:16:33.259 --> 00:16:39.070
And so the human, the human touch for both events and for those press releases are what matters.

00:16:39.554 --> 00:16:39.975
I dig it.

00:16:40.465 --> 00:17:03.284
Um, like, where do you want to take this, uh, if you were, yeah, like, I mean, like, where would you like to take the big deal company and, you know, In the future, like more of what you're doing now, what you want to do, or like, would you like to really niche even further into just nonprofits or like, what are you, what are you, what's your vision?

00:17:03.845 --> 00:17:17.815
Like, it feels like you've kind of gotten where you plan to get, even though you didn't really have a plan where you, when you started and I might be wrong, but it, but it feels like you've really like, okay, what's, 2027 look like what am I pointing out again?

00:17:17.884 --> 00:17:27.335
It is so tough because every day I'm speaking for the entire team here, we wake up and pinch ourselves saying, Oh my goodness, like, this is so cool.

00:17:27.345 --> 00:17:32.954
We're, we got here and it wasn't ever, um, planned out on a piece of paper.

00:17:33.005 --> 00:17:35.535
Now I have lots of business plans for other things.

00:17:35.575 --> 00:17:52.944
I've been a serial entrepreneur, but, um, for this particular idea, We are writing it and loving it and we're always planning a couple steps ahead, but we're not doing 10 to 20 years, which I'm kind of embarrassed to say that because so many people do.

00:17:53.414 --> 00:17:56.275
No, I don't think anybody wise plans 10 years.

00:17:56.345 --> 00:17:56.765
Okay.

00:17:56.865 --> 00:17:57.474
Five?

00:17:57.515 --> 00:17:58.244
Five maybe.

00:17:58.265 --> 00:17:58.494
Sure.

00:17:58.515 --> 00:17:59.805
Or at least aspirations, you know.

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Yeah.

00:18:01.115 --> 00:18:06.365
The goal, this is going to sound cheesy, the goal is not, I don't have a number in mind.

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My goal has always been to make sure I can afford.

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A happy life for myself and for everyone who works with me.

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Um, we want to take care of our clients and we want them to be happy.

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And it matters to me that my team can pay their bills and live comfortably.

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Their kids have food to eat and that we're doing an excellent job.

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We just want to give back in our community.

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All of us feel unanimously about that.

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And so the actual number of what we make isn't the goal.

00:18:34.569 --> 00:18:37.960
The getting there, not too fast, but.

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So it's not painful is, is the goal.

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So we want to get further, but we're not saying, all right, mic drop at a certain time.

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Like once we hit this, we've hit our goal.

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And what I think I'm hearing is if you can get to the point where those first few things are true, you're living the lifestyle you want, you're, you know, Yeah.

00:18:59.015 --> 00:19:10.634
And if the business can be generous also in the community, especially within perhaps the community that you've been building and sponsoring events for and things like that, like that would be pretty fulfilling.

00:19:10.855 --> 00:19:11.265
Yes.

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And we're there.

00:19:12.275 --> 00:19:14.994
So what business owner, what business owner says.

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Did it done.

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So it feels weird to say that we always want more.

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We want more clients.

00:19:22.295 --> 00:19:22.694
Yes.

00:19:22.934 --> 00:19:28.954
We're always working hard to get more clients, but right now it's more about scaling the business.

00:19:29.174 --> 00:19:39.615
So it's less about, um, the, the work that takes more time, but doesn't make as much money it's adjusting so that we're serving.

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New clients, bigger clients, and then, um, the other stuff that takes more time.

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Just saying we can't do that anymore.

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It's moving to the next step.

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Mm hmm.

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Yeah.

00:19:50.730 --> 00:20:02.630
And that's probably more like the, the actual marketing stuff sometimes, or you, will you like potentially outsource some of that, or you're just going to try to eliminate certain services perhaps?

00:20:02.839 --> 00:20:04.619
Ooh, um, I think it's.

00:20:05.025 --> 00:20:10.315
Both, but I think it's clients with it's clients with the smaller budgets that are just kind of testing the waters.

00:20:10.634 --> 00:20:15.355
We want more clients that are serious and actually respect the work, the educations we have.

00:20:17.319 --> 00:20:17.839
Yeah.

00:20:17.900 --> 00:20:18.450
That's fair enough.

00:20:18.859 --> 00:20:27.099
Um, what have you, like, learned about the business community through working with all these different kinds of folks?

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Like, how would you characterize, uh, well, let's do two categories.

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Okay.

00:20:32.339 --> 00:20:34.690
Nonprofit leaders, because that's a major segment.

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Mm hmm.

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Like, what are some of the commonalities there in the clients that either really fit or that you really love?

00:20:39.990 --> 00:20:41.700
And the same thing for the, kind of, private sector.

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Purpose driven, but for profit segment, what do you learn about just entrepreneurship and those people?

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Cause nonprofits are entrepreneurs too.

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Yeah.

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I, I've learned a lot.

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I've learned that, um, where we live in Northern Colorado are some of the most generous, thoughtful, spirited community minded folks I've ever come across.

00:21:04.039 --> 00:21:07.960
Uh, in fact, there was a statistic that came out about.

00:21:08.579 --> 00:21:14.259
I want to say it was just less than a year ago, Kurt, um, about how many nonprofits we have.

00:21:14.259 --> 00:21:16.349
I think it's since 2022 is the stat.

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In Colorado, so the entire state, we've increased the number of nonprofits we have by 60%.

00:21:25.005 --> 00:21:36.305
So I think most people would tell you no, um, that we have so many nonprofits doing similar things.

00:21:36.345 --> 00:21:40.164
If we could combine forces, it really comes to, it comes down to resourcefulness.

00:21:40.984 --> 00:21:52.234
In my observation, a lot of really small nonprofits have to really Totally underpay their employees, they have to really squeeze their volunteers and things like that.

00:21:52.275 --> 00:21:57.214
So sometimes that can be better served with a little bit more depth of organization.

00:21:57.375 --> 00:21:57.634
Sure.

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Because so many of the donation dollars have to go to overhead, not to actual client services.

00:22:01.434 --> 00:22:02.795
And those real, real small ones.

00:22:02.845 --> 00:22:03.174
Yeah.

00:22:03.434 --> 00:22:10.775
Well, and if you think about who you see sponsoring everything, um, everyone's knocking on the same doors asking for the same sponsorship.

00:22:11.180 --> 00:22:11.470
Yeah.

00:22:11.630 --> 00:22:18.500
So, and that comes down to us because sometimes we get asked to do that or help with the introductions and you, yes.

00:22:18.549 --> 00:22:18.839
So.

00:22:19.019 --> 00:22:19.289
Yeah.

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It's like, okay, this, this company sponsors a lot of things and I've got, I've got Um, and so we have a lot of different clients that all want an introduction to First Bank.

00:22:26.255 --> 00:22:26.944
Right, right.

00:22:27.375 --> 00:22:28.204
Or 15.

00:22:28.934 --> 00:22:29.055
Yes.

00:22:29.265 --> 00:22:34.684
And so you, um, if we were to consolidate the work and also at a larger level, the resourcefulness.

00:22:34.694 --> 00:22:43.345
So think about how many of them need someone to run pay, payroll, work on the books, marketing Yeah, be an HR compliance person.

00:22:43.345 --> 00:22:44.825
Yeah, development director.

00:22:45.164 --> 00:22:47.210
So these are all roles that are important.

00:22:47.359 --> 00:22:49.339
The same across all of the nonprofits.

00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:52.519
If there was some collaboration, sharing of resources.

00:22:53.380 --> 00:23:00.970
Well, and that's kind of the theory behind United Way and realities for children, and they both come with their own sets of.

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ethical and actual challenges.

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You know, there's always somebody that is the decider of who gets the money and stuff like that.

00:23:09.589 --> 00:23:13.859
And that person comes up with too much power and then it gets weird.

00:23:13.859 --> 00:23:14.490
Somehow or her.

00:23:14.549 --> 00:23:16.569
Yeah, it's true.

00:23:16.730 --> 00:23:22.099
So yes, to answer your question with non, with, with, sweeping across both sectors.

00:23:22.099 --> 00:23:28.180
So nonprofit and for profit, we are just among some of the most generous, thoughtful people I've ever come across.

00:23:28.200 --> 00:23:29.210
And that is fun.

00:23:29.910 --> 00:23:39.269
And, um, it also can come with a lot of stress cause there's a lot of ownership and doing the right thing, which we are all about for us and for our clients.

00:23:39.269 --> 00:23:43.549
And so, um, I would say that's, that's one thing we notice across all.

00:23:43.569 --> 00:23:43.690
Yeah.

00:23:43.690 --> 00:23:43.890
Yeah.

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Sometimes, well, and sometimes.

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assumption of what the right thing is and what you know to be the right thing.

00:23:50.345 --> 00:23:59.085
And as a steward of your staff's time and resources and your businesses finances, the right, the two right things aren't the same.

00:23:59.224 --> 00:23:59.765
That's right.

00:23:59.765 --> 00:24:00.904
Yeah.

00:24:00.904 --> 00:24:01.174
Yeah.

00:24:01.585 --> 00:24:01.944
Fair.

00:24:02.025 --> 00:24:02.505
It's hard.

00:24:02.835 --> 00:24:04.384
We've, so we've learned a lot.

00:24:04.464 --> 00:24:07.795
Um, we've learned a lot about what we're willing to do and whatnot.

00:24:07.805 --> 00:24:11.055
I think everyone has to learn that when they're growing up in business.

00:24:11.484 --> 00:24:12.119
Um, yeah.

00:24:12.849 --> 00:24:14.940
Gosh, a lot of the hard technical stuff.

00:24:14.990 --> 00:24:21.799
Um, we had a client once that was getting sued over a mistake they made and it was their mistake.

00:24:21.819 --> 00:24:38.490
They didn't realize it was their mistake and they wanted us to share in the mistake and having to figure out in the background how to figure out who was to blame and how to handle that really uncomfortable conversation and that every business should have a lawyer or some sort of.

00:24:38.799 --> 00:24:40.829
You know, at least a resource in that space.

00:24:40.829 --> 00:24:44.990
Um, those sorts of things you learn along the way.

00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:54.079
And, um, I, I'm grateful that we grew gracefully over time and it wasn't just, you know, lit up overnight trying to patch holes in the levy.

00:24:54.079 --> 00:24:55.670
Yeah.

00:24:55.670 --> 00:25:01.359
Um, what can you share, uh, like the most complex event that you've planned, your team has planned?

00:25:02.204 --> 00:25:03.575
Gosh, we have a lot of them.

00:25:03.974 --> 00:25:06.684
You know, or maybe a couple of examples, if that's easier or better.

00:25:06.825 --> 00:25:07.204
Sure.

00:25:07.605 --> 00:25:18.515
Um, it's there, the most complex events are where you're leading up or doing something over a long period of time because of all of the paperwork people process and then expectations at the end.

00:25:18.615 --> 00:25:18.914
Okay.

00:25:18.964 --> 00:25:23.375
So currently right now we were contracted to help CSU with a really large conference.

00:25:23.704 --> 00:25:29.694
So you're dealing with a university, tons of departments, lots of paperwork just to get fired up.

00:25:30.174 --> 00:25:31.984
Um, and then there's often red tape.

00:25:32.164 --> 00:25:32.744
In the middle.

00:25:32.855 --> 00:25:34.914
You've got to get through that work to the next step.

00:25:35.345 --> 00:25:37.775
Um, and you're planning typically at least a year.

00:25:38.085 --> 00:25:40.444
At least a year out in this case, two years.

00:25:41.805 --> 00:25:44.404
But, um, Oh, and actually we have another one.

00:25:44.424 --> 00:25:48.855
So, um, I'm not going to say their name, but they're, so we're dealing with the city entity.

00:25:49.505 --> 00:26:00.244
Again, paperwork processes, people, legal, um, risk, fire department, police department, all of these entities, road closures, potentially in certain things, whatever.

00:26:00.365 --> 00:26:02.484
And every event planner will tell you the same thing.

00:26:02.865 --> 00:26:05.375
It just depends on the type of contract you commit to.

00:26:05.805 --> 00:26:14.599
Um, If you have to turn around something in a very short period of time, it's often difficult and most folks on the receiving end of your services have no idea that's even going on in the background.

00:26:14.609 --> 00:26:15.009
Totally.

00:26:15.009 --> 00:26:15.069
Totally.

00:26:15.069 --> 00:26:17.450
They don't care that it's an emergency for you.

00:26:17.500 --> 00:26:17.809
Yeah.

00:26:18.279 --> 00:26:19.410
Yeah, that's an interesting thing.

00:26:19.690 --> 00:26:26.180
Uh, we have, uh, I often joke that at Loco Think Tank, we have a time machine, a just in time machine.

00:26:28.109 --> 00:26:30.769
And that's not really ideal for event planning.

00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:38.160
Um, so, uh, you know, just reflecting on that and, uh, the utility of thinking ahead.

00:26:38.420 --> 00:26:38.740
Yeah.

00:26:39.259 --> 00:26:46.170
There are some of the, um, most, um, Challenging things about event planning are the people.

00:26:46.680 --> 00:26:49.009
And so you're constantly pleasing people.

00:26:49.019 --> 00:26:50.730
It doesn't matter what kind of event it is.

00:26:51.410 --> 00:26:53.599
Our number one job is to make people happy.

00:26:54.785 --> 00:26:58.964
And for events, it's specifically the feeling that you get at the end of the event.

00:26:58.984 --> 00:27:00.025
Was it successful?

00:27:00.174 --> 00:27:01.394
Did everyone have fun?

00:27:01.404 --> 00:27:22.904
Because there's the ownership on the company that threw it, or if it's a private party, um, making, making sure they feel like it was exactly what they wanted, because not Everything that they pictured in their head or pinned on Pinterest actually comes about because we're living in an Instagram world where, you know, we all have these visuals, but often that costs a lot of money.

00:27:23.035 --> 00:27:23.454
Right.

00:27:23.944 --> 00:27:27.049
That chandelier was actually 16, 000 to rent for the day.

00:27:27.049 --> 00:27:27.474
Right.

00:27:27.474 --> 00:27:27.904
Right.

00:27:28.464 --> 00:27:30.599
And it's like, It's the very same thing with marketing.

00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:36.509
And so, um, everyone has a different idea of what they want the end result to be.

00:27:36.509 --> 00:27:43.460
And for example, we had a client yesterday or yesterday, um, last week where we went back and forth, I don't know, a month on a poster.

00:27:43.730 --> 00:27:43.869
Okay.

00:27:44.474 --> 00:28:04.755
We turn out so many creative materials a day, um, and we often feel like we, we have the degrees, the certifications, we have the time, we have the, the number of eyeballs, because we're a big enough team where we're, we're all looking at things, to feel good about we turn out, what we turn out, but if a client comes back and scraps it and says, no, start over, That can sting a little bit.

00:28:05.345 --> 00:28:08.734
So, um, there can be an elongated process with that.

00:28:08.765 --> 00:28:10.934
That's, you know, typically not hard stuff.

00:28:10.934 --> 00:28:12.605
It just can hurt the ego a little bit.

00:28:12.605 --> 00:28:13.444
Yeah, yeah, sure.

00:28:13.464 --> 00:28:21.515
Well, and it's relational and it's, uh, sometimes that client is wrong, but it doesn't mean you don't have to still provide a number two option.

00:28:21.525 --> 00:28:22.954
Yeah, right.

00:28:23.025 --> 00:28:23.384
Right.

00:28:23.914 --> 00:28:24.855
Client is always right.

00:28:25.315 --> 00:28:27.045
So, yeah, it's always making people happy.

00:28:27.055 --> 00:28:30.994
You know, I heard today that the right clients are always right.

00:28:31.720 --> 00:28:33.579
And the other ones can go pound sand.

00:28:34.500 --> 00:28:37.349
It wasn't put quite like that, but, uh, you get the picture.

00:28:37.460 --> 00:28:38.460
Yes, I get it.

00:28:39.450 --> 00:28:42.750
There was actually a statistic, or there's a statistic every year.

00:28:42.819 --> 00:28:56.275
Um, I haven't seen it in the last, in the last calendar year, but, um, Um, event planning specifically is constantly rated, um, in the most stressful jobs of America every year in the top 20 or top 10.

00:28:56.714 --> 00:28:59.934
And it's because of, it's always about making people happy.

00:28:59.984 --> 00:29:00.305
Right.

00:29:00.375 --> 00:29:02.755
And it's so funny because we're not saving lives.

00:29:03.025 --> 00:29:04.234
We are making people happy.

00:29:04.525 --> 00:29:05.575
We are not doctors.

00:29:05.625 --> 00:29:06.674
I'm not doing heart surgery.

00:29:06.684 --> 00:29:06.855
Yeah.

00:29:06.855 --> 00:29:07.144
Yeah.

00:29:07.515 --> 00:29:07.625
Yeah.

00:29:07.625 --> 00:29:08.984
They're just looking for a good time.

00:29:09.005 --> 00:29:09.295
Yeah.

00:29:09.315 --> 00:29:11.494
You know, they're not like hoping you save mom.

00:29:11.884 --> 00:29:12.045
Yeah.

00:29:12.045 --> 00:29:12.345
Yeah.

00:29:12.345 --> 00:29:13.098
Interesting.

00:29:13.098 --> 00:29:20.964
But the, my phone is always on, the clients are always calling and asking questions and can you change this or do this, and have you thought about this?

00:29:21.404 --> 00:29:23.414
And um, you are always.

00:29:23.714 --> 00:29:32.714
Working on, well, currently I'm probably personally working on 20 events right now, but we're always planning and thinking ahead and it's never out of your head.

00:29:32.724 --> 00:29:34.734
You never just kind of let go of it.

00:29:35.394 --> 00:29:39.025
And, um, you know that there, everything is on the line.

00:29:39.025 --> 00:29:42.265
So it's financial and it's ultimate joy and happiness.

00:29:42.525 --> 00:29:47.184
And often you're working with someone who maybe isn't the CEO, but they're the executive admin.

00:29:47.414 --> 00:29:51.904
And their job is to make sure that CEO has the best holiday party they've ever had.

00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:54.970
And so, um, there's a lot of stress with that.

00:29:55.140 --> 00:30:00.220
Um, what do you use for, like, you've got mostly a remote team, correct?

00:30:00.299 --> 00:30:13.329
Like you're occasionally together probably or some of you, but like, how do you, do you have a software platform or a project management platform or how do you communicate all the things that need to be done sometimes two years from now?

00:30:13.430 --> 00:30:13.890
Yes.

00:30:13.940 --> 00:30:15.920
Oh gosh, we use a lot of software.

00:30:15.930 --> 00:30:19.630
In fact, I, um, have been a speaker at a couple of events.

00:30:19.805 --> 00:30:30.045
Just on software that small businesses can use and giving a variety of tiers of costs because we've tried it all and having a media and software background.

00:30:30.515 --> 00:30:33.045
Um, there's some things that just work better than others.

00:30:33.365 --> 00:30:39.714
Sometimes we get really comfortable in what we're using and then the newest and latest and greatest will come out and you're like, Oh, but I like this.

00:30:39.714 --> 00:30:40.744
I know how to use it.

00:30:40.744 --> 00:30:41.454
I want to have to try it.

00:30:41.464 --> 00:30:42.065
Start all over.

00:30:42.315 --> 00:30:42.875
But we do.

00:30:42.884 --> 00:30:43.734
We're pretty nimble.

00:30:44.194 --> 00:30:46.815
Um, so it for marketing and events.

00:30:46.815 --> 00:30:47.224
We use.

00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:48.450
All kinds of stuff.

00:30:48.750 --> 00:30:53.329
We use Google as our main platform for storage of documents and collaboration.

00:30:53.329 --> 00:31:03.849
We've, we've used Dropbox and a couple of other things to collaborate with clients, but we want real time where we can both be in a document together and have some different security.

00:31:04.210 --> 00:31:05.964
Uh, so that's what we use to collaborate.

00:31:06.355 --> 00:31:08.394
We use, I love spreadsheets.

00:31:08.484 --> 00:31:13.704
So, um, we use a lot of spreadsheets and we use Google for mail.

00:31:13.714 --> 00:31:15.505
So our calendar, so we can all share.

00:31:16.365 --> 00:31:25.694
So it's a lot of collaboration, but there are a number of other softwares we use to do our design work and, um, to do cross checking and collaboration.

00:31:26.144 --> 00:31:29.815
So is it mostly spreadsheet stuff as far as like the actual event management?

00:31:29.815 --> 00:31:35.505
That's kind of the true source of knowledge kind of on like the timelines different things like that.

00:31:35.944 --> 00:31:43.744
It's a piece of it We do we use Trello Which is software for a lot of?

00:31:44.255 --> 00:31:48.900
visualization Of events and, um, the marketing, right?

00:31:48.960 --> 00:32:01.882
Like you can hear some of the design cues that need to be for the advertising literature and you, you are on the social media posts, you're on the magazine content, uh, hey, we did it.

00:32:01.882 --> 00:32:05.039
We need a press release about this.

00:32:05.349 --> 00:32:05.549
Yep.

00:32:05.549 --> 00:32:06.490
For these outlets.

00:32:06.589 --> 00:32:07.990
Yes, we do.

00:32:08.059 --> 00:32:13.640
So we use a lot of spreadsheets too, where we have one project management spreadsheet where we're all in there.

00:32:13.660 --> 00:32:14.960
Everyone has their own here.

00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:18.750
The clients I manage here, here's what I'm working on this month.

00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:24.369
And then we assign things and then we use our calendar to deliver the tasks and make sure they're done.

00:32:24.690 --> 00:32:25.130
So.

00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:34.859
Are you both the main rainmaker and the main project manager, or do you have somebody on your team that really helps you out in one or both of those roles?

00:32:34.890 --> 00:32:35.380
I do.

00:32:35.390 --> 00:32:40.019
We have a lot of helpers, so everyone wears a different hat and owns different roles.

00:32:40.329 --> 00:32:43.920
But yes, I no longer do my own business, social media.

00:32:44.250 --> 00:32:49.859
I am no longer the lead on most events, on some, depending on the client.

00:32:50.099 --> 00:32:50.170
Yep.

00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:57.474
There are some that are a little bit Um, more challenging than others where I feel like I'll carry this load because I don't want to stress anyone out too much.

00:32:57.884 --> 00:33:00.815
Um, so, uh, yes, we do have doers.

00:33:01.259 --> 00:33:03.099
I am still my own bookkeeper.

00:33:03.460 --> 00:33:04.140
Oh, wow.

00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:07.980
That's a, that's a tough one for me to give away.

00:33:07.980 --> 00:33:08.970
I don't know why.

00:33:08.970 --> 00:33:09.539
I don't know why.

00:33:09.539 --> 00:33:11.609
Do you love numbers or money?

00:33:11.609 --> 00:33:13.049
It doesn't seem like you love either of those things.

00:33:13.049 --> 00:33:17.339
I purposely chose my degree to avoid numbers altogether.

00:33:17.369 --> 00:33:17.710
Right.

00:33:17.710 --> 00:33:18.609
I hated math.

00:33:18.759 --> 00:33:19.849
No, I like them now.

00:33:19.970 --> 00:33:21.799
What, what would it take for you to.

00:33:22.384 --> 00:33:24.714
Like decide to just outsource your bookkeeping.

00:33:24.714 --> 00:33:26.285
It doesn't seem very complex.

00:33:26.285 --> 00:33:28.174
I mean, I have an accountant.

00:33:28.335 --> 00:33:29.575
Yeah, I have an accountant.

00:33:29.585 --> 00:33:33.255
I think I, I really like being in there and I didn't think I would like it.

00:33:33.355 --> 00:33:39.204
Well, you know, the one thing that's interesting is when you're in there, then you see opportunities for.

00:33:39.940 --> 00:33:42.460
Saving money or hey, we spent all this on this.

00:33:42.460 --> 00:33:43.569
We didn't even use it.

00:33:43.670 --> 00:33:46.410
Yeah, you know things like that So I I can appreciate that.

00:33:46.650 --> 00:33:47.970
I like to see patterns.

00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:58.069
I like to see outliers and I also like to see You know, we keep track of and there's not a software that really does this but you know in kind what did we give?

00:33:58.069 --> 00:34:06.299
What was our gift to the community of our services that we didn't charge for so yeah, I kind of track it Oh, what did What gift did I give a client this month?

00:34:06.349 --> 00:34:07.410
I track it all.

00:34:07.460 --> 00:34:09.769
I'm a little bit nerdy about it and I didn't think I would be.

00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:10.130
Yeah.

00:34:10.239 --> 00:34:10.469
Yeah.

00:34:10.539 --> 00:34:11.000
That's okay.

00:34:11.170 --> 00:34:11.469
Yeah.

00:34:11.469 --> 00:34:16.239
Um, I try to ask surprising questions from time to time.

00:34:16.610 --> 00:34:20.510
Um, who's your favorite team member?

00:34:20.570 --> 00:34:20.780
Yeah.

00:34:23.329 --> 00:34:23.780
Kid.

00:34:24.340 --> 00:34:26.980
Um, well, we'll talk about your children later.

00:34:27.829 --> 00:34:28.079
No.

00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:34.750
Do you have any, like people that have been with you for a long time that you should actually at least call out and say they've grown so much or they're so.

00:34:35.170 --> 00:34:37.050
Integral to who we've become.

00:34:37.170 --> 00:34:37.590
Yes.

00:34:37.590 --> 00:34:39.170
Well, Carrie was number one, actually.

00:34:39.170 --> 00:34:43.889
Carrie, um, Carrie and I met when it was just me.

00:34:43.900 --> 00:34:46.739
We actually had, actually, this was one of the lessons learned.

00:34:47.050 --> 00:34:52.510
We had someone that worked very short time who kind of wanted to learn the business, um, and I took her under my wing.

00:34:52.974 --> 00:34:57.355
Paid her for all of her work, but really taught her how to own a business, how to be an entrepreneur.

00:34:57.625 --> 00:34:59.014
She decided not to go to college.

00:34:59.014 --> 00:35:01.335
So she was just out of high school and learning.

00:35:01.434 --> 00:35:01.704
Yeah.

00:35:02.005 --> 00:35:06.614
She decided that she was gonna take what she learned from me and do better and be my competitor.

00:35:06.764 --> 00:35:07.125
Nice.

00:35:07.434 --> 00:35:08.414
Didn't work out for her.

00:35:08.525 --> 00:35:08.635
Right.

00:35:09.014 --> 00:35:12.005
So she was number one, but we we don't really acknowledge that.

00:35:12.005 --> 00:35:15.244
Carrie has been with me since the get go.

00:35:15.494 --> 00:35:27.835
Um, so there was an, a newspaper article that was out about our business, um, when it was still very young and, uh, Carrie was in a different phase in life and looking for something new and exciting that would feed her soul.

00:35:28.144 --> 00:35:30.594
And she called me and said, Hey, I saw you in the paper.

00:35:30.644 --> 00:35:33.605
Can I get you a coffee and can I get to know you?

00:35:34.025 --> 00:35:36.894
And we have been friends and coworkers ever since.

00:35:36.945 --> 00:35:37.324
Nice.

00:35:37.364 --> 00:35:37.664
Yeah.

00:35:38.215 --> 00:35:38.735
That's pretty neat.

00:35:38.764 --> 00:35:39.074
Yeah.

00:35:39.385 --> 00:35:41.775
So there are a number that have been So she's your favorite, really.

00:35:41.914 --> 00:35:42.675
Well, hmm.

00:35:43.565 --> 00:35:43.875
I'm just teasing.

00:35:45.425 --> 00:35:46.724
Carrie, you're not her favorite.

00:35:46.724 --> 00:35:48.065
She actually rolled her eyes at that.

00:35:48.065 --> 00:35:48.775
Love Carrie.

00:35:48.775 --> 00:35:49.105
No, just kidding.

00:35:49.394 --> 00:35:49.545
I'm teasing.

00:35:49.545 --> 00:35:49.875
Love Carrie.

00:35:50.054 --> 00:35:51.844
Did stand up in her wedding, if that says anything.

00:35:52.195 --> 00:35:52.565
Fair.

00:35:53.425 --> 00:35:59.405
So, yes, we have team members that have been with us for a very long time, and I'm so proud of where everyone has been.

00:35:59.425 --> 00:36:03.175
Um, how far they've come and actually that we're all still together.

00:36:03.244 --> 00:36:10.824
That's, I mean, that says a lot, really, really, you haven't had too many, like people jump, they've enjoyed being a part of your, yeah, we've had some interns.

00:36:10.954 --> 00:36:11.144
Sure.

00:36:11.144 --> 00:36:15.425
And so that's short lived, but, um, no, just kind of, um, I don't know.

00:36:15.425 --> 00:36:17.605
I hope that everyone feels like I treat them.

00:36:17.664 --> 00:36:18.795
I treat them like family.

00:36:18.815 --> 00:36:21.764
Everyone feels appreciated and, um, has.

00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:29.760
What they need to fill whatever their gap is in their life right now, or fulfill them as a, you know, mom, worker, successful.

00:36:31.010 --> 00:36:44.684
Did you, as you kind of made the brand transition from my big day to the big deal company, um, Did you also do some work on like, who are we, you know, the mission, vision, values kind of stuff.

00:36:44.684 --> 00:36:48.045
And was that different between the two?

00:36:48.054 --> 00:36:50.675
Did you refresh that or revise it?

00:36:50.775 --> 00:36:51.465
Good question.

00:36:51.494 --> 00:36:57.954
I did two things for myself that I would highly recommend to anyone who's considering starting a business or growing their business.

00:36:58.744 --> 00:37:05.954
So, uh, one was we did have a, um, coach come in who helped us.

00:37:06.344 --> 00:37:08.985
Figure out who we are, find all the right words.

00:37:08.985 --> 00:37:10.184
And it wasn't just mine.

00:37:10.675 --> 00:37:14.224
So, um, she's actually in a consultant on our team.

00:37:15.034 --> 00:37:28.045
So, Katie came in and she interviewed each person and had very strategic questions and then put them all together so that we could find out patterns about what was important to all of us and the words that we used.

00:37:28.094 --> 00:37:32.355
Kind of like one of those word puzzles where the bigger, the more, more repeats, the bigger the word is.

00:37:32.414 --> 00:37:32.844
Kind of.

00:37:32.864 --> 00:37:32.885
Yeah.

00:37:33.804 --> 00:37:35.355
So we did mission, vision, values.

00:37:35.355 --> 00:37:35.635
Okay.

00:37:35.849 --> 00:37:41.679
Um, and the kind of clients we want, because everyone likes different kinds of their job and their work.

00:37:42.110 --> 00:37:48.409
And so we did a, um, she interviewed all of us, then she reported back data, then we did an exercise as a team.

00:37:48.789 --> 00:38:00.019
And then we took that data, and this is before AI, then together came up with other words to say what we're saying that didn't sound generic, that were really thoughtful and meaningful to all of us.

00:38:00.489 --> 00:38:02.530
And that's how we got what's on our website.

00:38:02.530 --> 00:38:03.760
So that was item number one.

00:38:04.074 --> 00:38:08.684
Was making sure we're all on the same page and we're in agreement about who we are and where we want to go.

00:38:08.855 --> 00:38:10.235
Did that feel comfortable to you?

00:38:10.344 --> 00:38:10.635
Yeah.

00:38:10.684 --> 00:38:12.534
To let other people weigh into that and stuff?

00:38:12.804 --> 00:38:13.074
Yeah.

00:38:13.074 --> 00:38:13.704
Oh, for sure.

00:38:13.724 --> 00:38:13.974
Yeah.

00:38:13.974 --> 00:38:14.974
It's not all about me.

00:38:15.375 --> 00:38:25.099
And then, um, and then the second thing was, oh, I hired, um, A very expensive, um, very expensive, what do you want to do with your life coach?

00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:25.420
Oh.

00:38:25.659 --> 00:38:36.070
Because I was at a crossroads, leaving corporate America, making a very comfortable salary that was helping fund this dream of fun and just making sure everyone has fun.

00:38:36.130 --> 00:38:36.760
Right.

00:38:37.010 --> 00:38:38.710
And said, okay, I'm going to work for myself.

00:38:38.750 --> 00:38:39.670
What do I want to do?

00:38:39.710 --> 00:38:39.929
Right.

00:38:39.929 --> 00:38:40.380
What do I want to comment?

00:38:40.380 --> 00:38:41.179
What do I have to do?

00:38:41.190 --> 00:38:41.610
Yeah.

00:38:42.050 --> 00:38:43.409
How am I going to pay the bills?

00:38:43.539 --> 00:38:43.920
Right.

00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:47.369
So, um, He was worth every penny.

00:38:47.380 --> 00:38:50.829
He used to be the, gosh, I forget his role with Starbucks.

00:38:50.900 --> 00:38:52.050
Um, he's in Canada.

00:38:52.860 --> 00:38:54.630
He was referred by a very good friend of mine.

00:38:54.630 --> 00:38:57.199
And in fact, we have a call next week just to catch up.

00:38:57.630 --> 00:39:08.389
He is stellar and he only works with empaths, um, business owners who have vision and care first about community, second about making money.

00:39:09.099 --> 00:39:09.400
Okay.

00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:09.840
Yeah.

00:39:10.269 --> 00:39:11.829
I think I qualify for all those things.

00:39:11.849 --> 00:39:12.059
There you go.

00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:15.000
Uh, but I'm probably not going to hire you, Mr.

00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:17.480
Dude, but, you know, I've got a lot of people locally here.

00:39:18.280 --> 00:39:19.869
Plus, I'm not really a Starbucks guy.

00:39:20.070 --> 00:39:20.969
I'm a local guy.

00:39:22.550 --> 00:39:23.239
So, so it goes.

00:39:23.630 --> 00:39:25.050
He worked for Starbucks.

00:39:25.050 --> 00:39:26.280
He's now, he owns his own business.

00:39:26.289 --> 00:39:26.909
It's fine.

00:39:26.920 --> 00:39:28.568
Yeah, I'm just teasing.

00:39:28.568 --> 00:39:29.019
Um.

00:39:29.429 --> 00:39:30.369
What else do you want to share?

00:39:30.369 --> 00:39:34.519
Do you have some notes on your business that you would like to make sure we cover before we jump in the time machine?

00:39:34.929 --> 00:39:40.099
Well, you had asked, or one of the things was, uh, like, kind of give the progression of business.

00:39:40.449 --> 00:39:53.719
I think one of the, um, the most early memories I have of who I was, or if you could identify, she's going to be this when she grows up, and I did not know what I was going to be, was, um, in sixth grade.

00:39:53.719 --> 00:39:53.949
Okay.

00:39:54.125 --> 00:40:03.324
I, I went to this very small private Christian school in Michigan, that's where I grew up, and, um, we were very, we weren't allowed to dance.

00:40:03.885 --> 00:40:05.485
And so it was very footloose.

00:40:06.204 --> 00:40:06.385
Right.

00:40:06.385 --> 00:40:14.619
We, uh, we weren't allowed to dance, have dances, or, um, you know, commiserate with public school kids, like do anything together.

00:40:14.619 --> 00:40:15.829
Oh, you don't want to mix with them.

00:40:16.110 --> 00:40:16.960
It wasn't that they were bad.

00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:18.449
That just, it was very small school.

00:40:18.449 --> 00:40:19.250
They might make you dirty somehow.

00:40:19.409 --> 00:40:20.300
Yeah, probably.

00:40:20.860 --> 00:40:22.239
Small school, kind of small minded.

00:40:22.380 --> 00:40:22.750
Yeah.

00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:34.360
So I had a sit down meeting with our principal and gave him a list of reasons why we should be able to dance and have, invite kids from other schools.

00:40:34.360 --> 00:40:35.909
He agreed to it.

00:40:36.159 --> 00:40:38.929
And I planned our very first school dance.

00:40:39.000 --> 00:40:39.690
Oh, wow.

00:40:39.780 --> 00:40:41.349
I made the tickets.

00:40:41.360 --> 00:40:44.170
They were handmade and copied on a copier and handed out.

00:40:44.179 --> 00:40:46.670
You were allowed to invite kids from other schools.

00:40:47.150 --> 00:40:51.670
Um, hired the DJ, figured out how to get, you know, food, snacks.

00:40:52.929 --> 00:40:54.449
I don't even remember how that worked.

00:40:54.929 --> 00:41:05.519
All I know is that I collected tickets at the door and everyone thought I was a teacher and I was so disappointed because here I was just beyond my years and I just wanted people to have fun.

00:41:05.594 --> 00:41:08.885
Um, and I just wanted to meet, meet more people outside of our small little school.

00:41:08.894 --> 00:41:09.574
Yeah, yeah.

00:41:09.954 --> 00:41:11.594
So that was my very first event.

00:41:12.034 --> 00:41:17.155
Um, and I still actually have the ticket that I made to the very first event I ever planned.

00:41:17.295 --> 00:41:20.875
Let's actually, we're going to jump in the time machine even farther back.

00:41:20.934 --> 00:41:21.335
Okay.

00:41:21.375 --> 00:41:22.135
Eventually.

00:41:22.605 --> 00:41:22.755
Okay.

00:41:22.795 --> 00:41:28.344
But before we do that, let's go back to the, just the first few chapters of my big day.

00:41:28.425 --> 00:41:28.744
Okay.

00:41:28.775 --> 00:41:30.514
Like you were happily employed.

00:41:30.514 --> 00:41:33.855
You said you had just had folks kind of calling on you and asking for.

00:41:34.525 --> 00:41:34.545
Yeah.

00:41:34.554 --> 00:41:36.094
Basically outside services.

00:41:36.135 --> 00:41:36.414
Yeah.

00:41:36.594 --> 00:41:38.864
Like, like under the table work, basically is what I'm hearing.

00:41:38.905 --> 00:41:44.085
They didn't want to hire your employer to do stuff, but they just wanted your brain on their problem.

00:41:44.454 --> 00:41:47.655
I was 27 being asked to coach large businesses.

00:41:47.775 --> 00:41:48.514
Oh, interesting.

00:41:48.554 --> 00:41:48.875
Yeah.

00:41:49.164 --> 00:41:50.199
It was, um, Yeah.

00:41:50.519 --> 00:41:57.679
Mind blowing, but I, I probably exuded some confidence and certainly had been in the media long enough.

00:41:57.679 --> 00:42:05.389
So I started in the media at a younger age, so I was still in college and I, um, worked in radio and worked my way up.

00:42:05.389 --> 00:42:09.190
So I was doing promotions, events and being on air and then started in sales.

00:42:09.199 --> 00:42:09.559
Okay.

00:42:09.559 --> 00:42:13.050
So you were like when radio was in its heyday, you were like an on air personality.

00:42:13.420 --> 00:42:13.739
Oh my gosh.

00:42:13.780 --> 00:42:14.170
It was the best.

00:42:14.170 --> 00:42:15.090
It was the best.

00:42:15.139 --> 00:42:15.969
Where were you?

00:42:15.969 --> 00:42:16.429
Were you here?

00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:18.389
No, I was in Michigan, Kalamazoo, Michigan.

00:42:18.389 --> 00:42:19.119
Okay, yeah, yeah.

00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:22.519
Uh, and, yeah, I've met Home of General Mills, is that right?

00:42:22.639 --> 00:42:24.059
General Mills is Battle Creek.

00:42:24.090 --> 00:42:25.269
Yep, Battle Creek, Michigan.

00:42:25.340 --> 00:42:25.409
okay.

00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:26.460
Right next to Kalamazoo.

00:42:26.460 --> 00:42:27.239
Okay, fair enough.

00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:27.519
Yeah.

00:42:27.900 --> 00:42:35.610
But, um, at the height of, uh, Beyonce's fame and Britney Spears, or early on, I should say, I met NSYNC before anyone knew who they were.

00:42:35.650 --> 00:42:37.199
That was the, that was the year.

00:42:37.385 --> 00:42:40.114
the years I was starting off in radio.

00:42:40.465 --> 00:42:41.945
Uh, it was, it was really fun.

00:42:41.954 --> 00:42:51.474
So yeah, having, having a lot of background really helped, um, solidify my knowledge of what I was doing and, um, coming up with really creative promotions.

00:42:51.784 --> 00:43:03.355
So, uh, clients would really, my job was to sell ads, but to sell more ads, you had to come up with, well, what would, rather than saying buy this chair, Right.

00:43:03.655 --> 00:43:05.284
What can you do that's creative or different?

00:43:05.565 --> 00:43:07.355
And that's where my brain just excels.

00:43:07.364 --> 00:43:08.804
First annual chair sale.

00:43:09.815 --> 00:43:10.094
Or whatever.

00:43:10.094 --> 00:43:10.735
Not grabby.

00:43:11.204 --> 00:43:11.784
Well, whatever.

00:43:11.784 --> 00:43:13.074
But some kind of event.

00:43:13.085 --> 00:43:13.875
Some kind of a thing.

00:43:13.925 --> 00:43:14.344
Uh huh.

00:43:14.355 --> 00:43:16.114
Something of interest to differentiate.

00:43:16.264 --> 00:43:16.514
Yeah.

00:43:16.514 --> 00:43:18.434
How do you make yourself, um, stand apart?

00:43:18.724 --> 00:43:20.114
So clients start, start to realize that.

00:43:20.434 --> 00:43:21.855
grabby.

00:43:22.574 --> 00:43:23.605
It says, really does not.

00:43:23.605 --> 00:43:25.074
Okay.

00:43:25.074 --> 00:43:25.184
Not that.

00:43:25.184 --> 00:43:25.711
Ha, ha, ha.

00:43:25.711 --> 00:43:26.239
Ha, ha, ha.

00:43:26.239 --> 00:43:26.764
Ha, ha, ha.

00:43:27.594 --> 00:43:33.485
No, so, uh, not all ideas landed, of course, but yes, that was, that was the start of my big day.

00:43:33.605 --> 00:43:33.974
Okay.

00:43:34.625 --> 00:43:42.914
And then it just kind of, you just found this gal Katie and eventually and whatever else and it just kind of a little, little bit at a time, a little bit at a time until you're doing a hundred events a year.

00:43:42.925 --> 00:43:45.414
Just kind of, well, dropped the boyfriend who didn't like the Easter cake.

00:43:45.644 --> 00:43:46.389
Right, right, right.

00:43:46.639 --> 00:43:49.010
And then, yeah, it just, it just grew.

00:43:49.010 --> 00:43:58.690
And so, um, originally it was our original events and then it grew into, um, taking on like weddings were kind of low hanging fruit, you know, huge staff for a wedding.

00:43:59.260 --> 00:44:01.440
Um, and then it just went on from there.

00:44:01.449 --> 00:44:07.480
And I don't actually recall what the largest event we did where I was like, Ooh, can I handle this?

00:44:07.510 --> 00:44:10.380
I always felt a little bit, maybe more confident than I should have been.

00:44:10.869 --> 00:44:12.059
And it was always fine.

00:44:12.324 --> 00:44:25.945
Yeah, I, uh, I did food trucking for a while and I left banking trying to start a restaurant and then I ended up with a food trailer and I, I executed a handful of like 150, 200 person caterings with my food trailer event.

00:44:26.554 --> 00:44:31.695
And then it got to where, like, if I had just a 40 or 50 person catering, I barely planned ahead.

00:44:33.014 --> 00:44:36.954
I barely pull it off sometimes, you know, sometimes you have to do that.

00:44:36.965 --> 00:44:41.315
I know they say fake it until you make it, but I, I don't, I've never faked anything.

00:44:41.324 --> 00:44:43.385
I just really felt confident that I could do it.

00:44:43.454 --> 00:44:43.804
Yeah.

00:44:43.954 --> 00:44:44.175
Yeah.

00:44:44.175 --> 00:44:44.414
Yeah.

00:44:44.454 --> 00:44:44.795
Did.

00:44:44.945 --> 00:44:45.144
Yeah.

00:44:45.155 --> 00:44:45.592
I like it.

00:44:45.592 --> 00:44:46.025
I like it.

00:44:46.355 --> 00:44:46.704
All right.

00:44:46.894 --> 00:44:47.585
Now I'm ready.

00:44:47.585 --> 00:44:48.168
Okay.

00:44:48.168 --> 00:44:49.333
Time machine.

00:44:49.333 --> 00:44:49.916
Okay.

00:44:49.916 --> 00:44:56.235
We are going to the shores of Kalamazoo river.

00:44:56.235 --> 00:44:56.670
Okay.

00:44:56.670 --> 00:44:58.494
No, I don't know.

00:44:58.514 --> 00:44:59.284
There is a Kalamazoo river.

00:44:59.735 --> 00:45:00.605
It seems likely.

00:45:00.735 --> 00:45:04.789
I mean, there's a lot of, Stuff in Michigan, good reasons to have a river there.

00:45:05.179 --> 00:45:07.130
Great lakes wouldn't have just come out of nowhere.

00:45:08.550 --> 00:45:18.500
So like talk to me even about first grade, like what was your, you're already part of a Christian family, I suppose.

00:45:19.329 --> 00:45:20.659
Was it already in Michigan?

00:45:20.949 --> 00:45:21.230
Yep.

00:45:21.400 --> 00:45:23.420
So I'm born and raised in Michigan.

00:45:23.530 --> 00:45:26.639
Okay, Clarkston, Michigan.

00:45:27.420 --> 00:45:34.190
First grade, um, I Was always I was always that kid that tried really hard.

00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:42.489
I don't know that I was extra smart I didn't I wasn't always all A's I had good grades because I think I tried harder than most but not because I was the Smartest kid in the room.

00:45:43.030 --> 00:45:50.099
I'll never forget the first and probably only time I've ever Cheated in school.

00:45:50.099 --> 00:46:02.405
Okay was a spelling test for the word orange And I remember opening up my little desk and peeking and trying to, I I'm sure we have a study list or something like that.

00:46:02.445 --> 00:46:02.795
Yeah.

00:46:02.885 --> 00:46:06.284
And I got caught and I'll never ever forget that day.

00:46:06.414 --> 00:46:07.385
Do you remember the teacher's name?

00:46:07.605 --> 00:46:08.295
Um, yes.

00:46:08.335 --> 00:46:10.335
So I know all of my teachers names.

00:46:10.364 --> 00:46:10.835
No shit.

00:46:10.875 --> 00:46:11.235
Yes.

00:46:11.235 --> 00:46:11.574
Okay.

00:46:11.585 --> 00:46:14.195
I got most of mine, but by no means all of them.

00:46:14.255 --> 00:46:16.494
I am still friends with my kindergarten teacher.

00:46:17.864 --> 00:46:21.905
Now she's getting up there in years, but we had excellent teachers.

00:46:22.085 --> 00:46:22.554
I love it.

00:46:22.860 --> 00:46:25.130
Yeah, I loved, yeah, I loved them all.

00:46:25.130 --> 00:46:30.599
And then I asked my husband about his, he doesn't remember a single name, but clearly my teachers were doing something right.

00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:35.179
There was definitely a connection and yeah, small classes, very small classes.

00:46:35.210 --> 00:46:36.199
I think you have the same.

00:46:36.219 --> 00:46:37.059
I read your bio.

00:46:37.349 --> 00:46:37.539
Yeah.

00:46:37.829 --> 00:46:39.300
Graduated with a class of five.

00:46:39.309 --> 00:46:39.800
It's true.

00:46:39.869 --> 00:46:40.139
Yeah.

00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:41.619
Uh, what was your class size?

00:46:42.389 --> 00:46:43.309
Not, not in high school.

00:46:43.309 --> 00:46:46.860
You probably got some flip through, but what about in elementary school in those early years?

00:46:47.139 --> 00:46:48.820
Eighth grade might've been a class.

00:46:48.849 --> 00:46:49.780
It was under 20.

00:46:49.900 --> 00:46:50.159
Yeah.

00:46:50.199 --> 00:46:50.469
Yeah.

00:46:50.670 --> 00:46:50.909
Let's.

00:46:51.340 --> 00:46:52.150
Tiny, right?

00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:53.340
Like so much relationship.

00:46:53.349 --> 00:46:53.610
Yeah.

00:46:53.969 --> 00:46:54.780
Yeah, or not.

00:46:55.324 --> 00:46:55.684
Right.

00:46:55.695 --> 00:46:57.735
You're either embraced or embraced.

00:46:57.764 --> 00:46:58.574
Yeah, right.

00:46:58.574 --> 00:47:01.324
So, uh, so you get busted you get in trouble.

00:47:02.085 --> 00:47:25.614
I did get in trouble I'm sure it wasn't a harsh punishment, but I do remember you were embarrassed Oh feeling so horrible, but I really really really wanted to get an A It was that first like moment of what's more important doing the right thing or getting the great cast me the setting a little bit Um, siblings, was your dad, like he worked for Ford or GM or something, I know, or I don't know.

00:47:26.275 --> 00:47:29.565
Auto industry is always what I think about, or the grains industry, right?

00:47:29.605 --> 00:47:30.255
Everyone does.

00:47:30.255 --> 00:47:30.534
Yeah.

00:47:30.755 --> 00:47:32.945
So, um, hardworking parents.

00:47:32.985 --> 00:47:36.155
My mom went back to work after, you know, we were in school.

00:47:36.264 --> 00:47:40.445
One sister, her birthday is today, um, younger sister.

00:47:40.445 --> 00:47:40.695
Okay.

00:47:40.695 --> 00:47:40.925
Yep.

00:47:41.215 --> 00:47:44.164
Um, she's a VP, does marketing herself too.

00:47:44.184 --> 00:47:50.784
She's a VP for, um, a company and does all the, uh, she oversees graphic design and marketing for a company in also in Detroit.

00:47:51.514 --> 00:47:56.795
Um, uh, you said mom went back to work.

00:47:56.815 --> 00:48:01.268
Dad was just kind of like, yeah, blue collar.

00:48:01.268 --> 00:48:03.215
Um, very, very hard worker.

00:48:03.244 --> 00:48:09.079
We actually went to school for, um, the restaurant industry.

00:48:09.079 --> 00:48:11.099
I'm forgetting what the name of the degree was at the time.

00:48:11.099 --> 00:48:14.550
Cause it wasn't hospitality, culinary, something, something, whatever.

00:48:14.739 --> 00:48:17.130
And really, really wanted to do that.

00:48:17.170 --> 00:48:20.260
And then when he got into it, realized it wasn't a great place to be a family man.

00:48:20.269 --> 00:48:21.289
Cause he was never home.

00:48:21.300 --> 00:48:30.519
It was off hours and, um, worked in settings where it was a lot of celebrities and whining and dining and just wasn't a good place for a nice Christian man to be fair.

00:48:30.750 --> 00:48:38.795
So, um, yeah, the blue collar kind of regular and he was raised that way or deep for your family?

00:48:38.885 --> 00:48:39.224
Yes.

00:48:39.264 --> 00:48:39.625
Yeah.

00:48:39.974 --> 00:48:48.505
And my mom is one of seven raised in a very small house in Dearborn, Michigan, home of the automotive industry, Ford.

00:48:48.965 --> 00:48:52.224
Um, and I come from a Ford Mustang.

00:48:52.565 --> 00:48:58.405
Family, I think still to this day, most of our family members own Mustangs and like are loyal to the Ford.

00:48:58.655 --> 00:49:08.275
So, um, my grandpa was an engineer for Ford and he was the original, he was the designer of the actual emblem that is the Ford Mustang.

00:49:08.284 --> 00:49:08.784
Oh, no shit.

00:49:08.844 --> 00:49:11.684
And we, in our family somewhere, one of my uncles has it.

00:49:12.099 --> 00:49:24.989
Um, has the original one that was designed in cast, um, where they made the mistake of, you know, the Mustang is running forward on both sides of the car, but they originally only made one cast.

00:49:25.070 --> 00:49:27.500
So it was like running backwards on the other side.

00:49:27.500 --> 00:49:31.570
So we have the wrong cast or the mistaken cast.

00:49:32.224 --> 00:49:34.414
That's probably worth it quite a bit, actually.

00:49:34.684 --> 00:49:39.045
If anybody out there wants to make an offer, uh, wait until Christine inherits that from her uncle.

00:49:39.045 --> 00:49:40.974
Yeah, right.

00:49:40.974 --> 00:49:42.135
So, well, that's really interesting.

00:49:42.144 --> 00:49:46.114
I actually, uh, the ambulance you might have seen on my social medias?

00:49:46.125 --> 00:49:46.784
Yes, yeah.

00:49:46.784 --> 00:49:49.994
That's my very first Ford I've owned in my entire life.

00:49:50.114 --> 00:49:50.335
Really?

00:49:50.385 --> 00:49:53.065
Yeah, because we were Chevy guys, you know, it was just that way.

00:49:53.105 --> 00:49:54.054
One or the other, right?

00:49:54.065 --> 00:49:54.934
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:49:55.394 --> 00:49:56.050
It was either like that or that.

00:49:56.199 --> 00:49:59.489
Catholic or Lutheran too, you know, my family wasn't either.

00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:17.144
Um, so yeah, so you're like Focused on high achievement, good grades, you know, were you sporty, were you sassy, did you have, did you kiss a boy before you were a sixth grader?

00:50:17.324 --> 00:50:18.355
How did you know?

00:50:18.695 --> 00:50:20.394
It just seems like your style.

00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:30.880
I was telling my, I have, I have twins that are five in kindergarten this year and I was, there's such a stark contrast and I can tell who's going to kiss a kid first.

00:50:31.389 --> 00:50:34.679
Um, so yes, my first kiss was in kindergarten.

00:50:35.360 --> 00:50:36.500
I was the aggressor.

00:50:39.170 --> 00:50:39.949
That's reasonable.

00:50:39.969 --> 00:50:41.449
That's pretty common before fifth grade.

00:50:41.820 --> 00:50:43.840
My nickname was Kissy instead of Chrissy.

00:50:43.860 --> 00:50:44.420
Oh gosh.

00:50:44.420 --> 00:50:44.840
Yeah.

00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:46.579
Back up boys.

00:50:46.989 --> 00:50:53.429
Um, So yes, very Christian family, do gooders, high achievers, yeah, all of us.

00:50:53.429 --> 00:50:58.219
So they were revolted by the fact that reports came home that you were like trying to kiss all the boys at kindergarten.

00:50:58.630 --> 00:51:02.460
I think it was just I was so friendly and it was frowned upon.

00:51:02.869 --> 00:51:05.860
But no, I You're an independent thinker too, I think.

00:51:05.860 --> 00:51:06.260
Was.

00:51:06.360 --> 00:51:06.739
Yes.

00:51:06.940 --> 00:51:09.079
So, my kindergarten teacher, Mrs.

00:51:09.079 --> 00:51:18.280
Bailey, actually, um, my mom still tells me to this day, she had, um, she had a, the first parent teacher conference with my parents, and I had very, very strict parents.

00:51:18.289 --> 00:51:20.860
They had exceptionally strict parents.

00:51:21.360 --> 00:51:35.500
Um, she, um, I had said, don't be hard on Chrissy because she will be harder on herself than anyone else will be hard on her at the, they didn't call it perfectionist at the time or OCD or whatever it is now.

00:51:35.989 --> 00:51:37.019
I'm all of those things.

00:51:37.449 --> 00:51:39.789
Um, but yes, I beat myself up more than anyone else.

00:51:39.800 --> 00:51:39.989
Yeah.

00:51:39.989 --> 00:51:40.280
Yeah.

00:51:40.280 --> 00:51:41.789
Um, yeah.

00:51:42.420 --> 00:51:45.880
Oh, gosh, I had a really interesting question and then I just lost the handle on it.

00:51:46.019 --> 00:51:55.806
Oh, I wanted to know what your family's like, ethnic heritage is, if you're willing to share your, your heart, a hard read from a physical appearance standpoint.

00:51:55.806 --> 00:51:59.561
I've been, um, assumed Italian over time, depending on the weather.

00:51:59.561 --> 00:52:01.608
Kind of one of the instincts.

00:52:01.608 --> 00:52:01.949
Yeah.

00:52:01.949 --> 00:52:02.400
Hispanic.

00:52:02.940 --> 00:52:03.289
Could be.

00:52:03.420 --> 00:52:09.210
No, we are, um, I'm 50 percent German and then also Hungarian and Czech.

00:52:09.400 --> 00:52:09.789
Okay.

00:52:09.860 --> 00:52:10.514
Yeah, yeah.

00:52:10.775 --> 00:52:11.054
All right.

00:52:11.855 --> 00:52:12.155
I mean.

00:52:12.155 --> 00:52:14.625
I mean, normal Northern USA.

00:52:14.625 --> 00:52:20.914
I'm North Dakotan, you know, and there's just a mix of whoever couldn't stomach living on the coast.

00:52:21.005 --> 00:52:21.284
Right.

00:52:21.284 --> 00:52:23.235
Or New York or whatever.

00:52:23.255 --> 00:52:25.594
My husband also was born in North Dakota.

00:52:25.925 --> 00:52:28.304
And he also is German, 50 percent German.

00:52:28.744 --> 00:52:30.494
And I think Russian.

00:52:30.594 --> 00:52:31.264
Something else.

00:52:31.304 --> 00:52:33.364
So we're just, you know, kind of a mixture of white.

00:52:33.420 --> 00:52:33.880
I like it.

00:52:33.880 --> 00:52:34.550
Yeah, yeah.

00:52:34.550 --> 00:52:35.909
Well, Caucasian.

00:52:36.070 --> 00:52:36.440
Caucasian.

00:52:36.570 --> 00:52:40.760
I mean, that's, I think the Ukrainians is where the Caucasians originally were from.

00:52:40.809 --> 00:52:41.079
Yeah.

00:52:41.494 --> 00:52:41.824
Even.

00:52:42.034 --> 00:52:42.184
Yeah.

00:52:42.184 --> 00:52:42.934
Anyway, I digress.

00:52:42.934 --> 00:52:43.804
Just a melting pot.

00:52:43.894 --> 00:52:44.465
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:52:44.824 --> 00:52:52.894
Um, and so you're cruising along through school, getting good grades, being all sassy, stopped kissing so many boys by the time you grew up a little bit later.

00:52:53.704 --> 00:52:53.824
Yeah.

00:52:53.914 --> 00:52:57.775
Um, for a while and then started kissing'em again in seventh and eighth grade.

00:52:58.014 --> 00:52:59.215
I was a serial dater.

00:52:59.215 --> 00:53:02.094
I actually, I moved to Colorado site unseen.

00:53:02.215 --> 00:53:02.275
Okay.

00:53:02.940 --> 00:53:03.730
Took a job here.

00:53:03.739 --> 00:53:04.789
I took a job transfer.

00:53:04.860 --> 00:53:05.400
With yourself?

00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:06.570
Like, after college?

00:53:06.650 --> 00:53:08.300
after high school, whatever?

00:53:08.329 --> 00:53:12.110
Was in corporate America for a little bit in Detroit, and then did some research.

00:53:12.150 --> 00:53:14.449
I realized I might have seasonal depression disorder.

00:53:14.449 --> 00:53:16.630
I could just feel, you know, I was in the snow belt.

00:53:16.679 --> 00:53:18.000
Kalamazoo's in the snow belt.

00:53:18.030 --> 00:53:19.639
And then Detroit, not much better.

00:53:20.119 --> 00:53:25.139
So, uh, second state to Seattle in overcast days.

00:53:25.820 --> 00:53:26.440
Or, Washington.

00:53:27.590 --> 00:53:29.559
And so, um, I did some research.

00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:34.469
One of my best friends worked at the weather channel long before Google had all the answers.

00:53:35.159 --> 00:53:38.420
I called her and I said, here are the things that I need about where I'm going to move.

00:53:38.460 --> 00:53:41.869
I'm just, I'm going to, I'm out of Dodge and, um, color.

00:53:41.880 --> 00:53:45.389
It was Colorado or California and California.

00:53:45.780 --> 00:53:50.219
I know a lot about, and I was open to it, but I thought who moves to Colorado?

00:53:50.219 --> 00:53:53.730
Isn't that just snow more snow than I have in Michigan.

00:53:53.730 --> 00:53:54.000
Right.

00:53:54.530 --> 00:53:58.920
And no one knows unless they come here and they're like, it used to be that way.

00:53:58.920 --> 00:54:04.010
Like 10 years ago, that was common where people were like, Oh, you live in Colorado, isn't it super cold and snowy there?

00:54:04.010 --> 00:54:04.400
Yes.

00:54:04.760 --> 00:54:09.719
I'm like, well, no, we're like a whole bunch of latitudes south of you, uh, just saying.

00:54:09.889 --> 00:54:10.329
Yes.

00:54:10.780 --> 00:54:14.769
This was 20 years ago, and I moved here on that off chance.

00:54:15.139 --> 00:54:21.599
And when I came here, I was single and, um, the hard worker doing great, made a lot of friends.

00:54:21.599 --> 00:54:21.664
And, uh, yeah.

00:54:21.664 --> 00:54:24.440
Instantly with amazing people that are still here.

00:54:24.440 --> 00:54:27.164
Did you like move to Denver for a radio job or up here even?

00:54:27.164 --> 00:54:37.054
No, I actually, I took a job in Fort Collins, um, trying to get to Denver, um, but landed in Loveland was the place where I could find a great apartment.

00:54:37.405 --> 00:54:38.855
And then Like a radio job?

00:54:39.224 --> 00:54:41.114
Uh, Not to disrupt you, or can you talk about this phase?

00:54:41.144 --> 00:54:42.503
Yeah, I worked in television.

00:54:42.503 --> 00:54:43.985
In TV, okay.

00:54:43.985 --> 00:54:44.480
Yeah.

00:54:46.260 --> 00:54:46.869
Like doing what?

00:54:46.869 --> 00:54:47.590
Like weather girl?

00:54:47.639 --> 00:54:48.289
Oh, no, no, no.

00:54:48.309 --> 00:54:51.289
So I was, I was voiceover talent, but sales.

00:54:51.329 --> 00:54:55.099
So yeah, sales, marketing, advertising campaigns.

00:54:55.150 --> 00:54:55.590
Gotcha.

00:54:55.710 --> 00:54:56.079
Okay.

00:54:57.409 --> 00:55:01.650
And, uh, so I fell in love with it and single.

00:55:02.119 --> 00:55:03.250
Didn't know a lot of people.

00:55:03.829 --> 00:55:09.269
Online dating was still relatively new ish, and I became a serial dater.

00:55:09.710 --> 00:55:11.659
And it was so bad.

00:55:11.710 --> 00:55:14.460
Crash and Burn, which I'm hearing, is the case now still.

00:55:14.869 --> 00:55:17.320
I, this was when blogging was still pretty new.

00:55:17.579 --> 00:55:21.650
I came up with a blog called the Misadventures and Misfortunes of Meeting Mr.

00:55:21.650 --> 00:55:22.059
Right.

00:55:22.590 --> 00:55:27.534
And it, was kind of my outlet for how bad it was.

00:55:27.534 --> 00:55:31.248
But I had a lot of fun doing it, and who knew I would be a blogger.

00:55:31.248 --> 00:55:32.954
You became semi famous from it, almost?

00:55:32.985 --> 00:55:40.494
I got a lot of attention, but, um, it was just an outlet, and it was fun, and then I you told all these stories about how terrible boys are?

00:55:41.034 --> 00:55:47.900
No, it wasn't about that, but it was just like, really like, Um, really, really can this many bad dates happen to one person?

00:55:47.949 --> 00:55:50.719
And it was shocking the things that I dealt with, but.

00:55:50.860 --> 00:55:51.849
I'm not surprised.

00:55:51.869 --> 00:55:52.289
I mean, I.

00:55:52.929 --> 00:55:53.570
Dating is hard.

00:55:53.940 --> 00:56:05.360
Well, and like one of the shitty things around the, about the world today and you know, my, my wife has some single girlfriends and things like that and I've had over the years and whatever.

00:56:05.400 --> 00:56:13.570
And like, there is really an unfortunate deficit in proper men.

00:56:13.570 --> 00:56:13.659
Yeah.

00:56:13.659 --> 00:56:14.000
Yeah.

00:56:14.364 --> 00:56:27.925
Um, Improper women, frankly, because they've been conditioned to be terrible too, uh, but mostly because of the existence of improper men, you know, and manipulation of the online system and blah, blah, blah, and all that.

00:56:28.594 --> 00:56:38.269
So I, I, I haven't had any bad dates with shitty guys myself, just saying, but I can imagine how they might feel.

00:56:38.610 --> 00:56:39.130
Go.

00:56:39.320 --> 00:56:39.840
Oh, man.

00:56:39.909 --> 00:56:52.150
Yeah, I've had some of the worst of the worst and I had a friend who also moved out from Michigan and Slept on my couch for a while and I come home every night She's actually actually the one who came up with the title of the blog and she's like I don't I don't know how this is Possible.

00:56:52.179 --> 00:56:54.380
I don't know how you had this many bad dates.

00:56:54.449 --> 00:57:01.510
Can you share one or two of your Of the quick stories while we're on this chapter, nothing I say is quick.

00:57:01.789 --> 00:57:03.300
Let me think of some of the worst.

00:57:03.650 --> 00:57:12.510
I mean, everything from like asking me to pay for the date at the end of it, or like, um, just like, just like.

00:57:12.960 --> 00:57:14.449
Lies, lots of lies.

00:57:14.920 --> 00:57:37.820
Um, yeah, gosh, they're actually married or they've been dating somebody for two years and they're engaged, but they just decided to get on Bumble real quick just to make sure, yeah, really bad, really bad stuff or just like close to rapey situations where, you know, you're like, you thought you were with someone who put out, you know, said they were one thing and then clearly were something else and it was just scary, shocking.

00:57:38.019 --> 00:57:39.909
And maybe I'm a little bit too trusting.

00:57:40.320 --> 00:57:43.795
Um, But yeah, there are quite a few like that.

00:57:43.804 --> 00:57:46.094
In fact, I'll never forget this one date I had in Boulder.

00:57:46.485 --> 00:57:51.824
Um, I, I can't remember why he didn't want to drive or maybe we met up, but I ended up driving my Jeep.

00:57:52.195 --> 00:58:01.585
And I remember he kicked off his flip flops and here, I'm from Detroit, full makeup, big hair, dress up for everything, like Midwest, we still had to wear pantyhose.

00:58:01.585 --> 00:58:04.255
He's got cargo shorts on and flip flops.

00:58:04.264 --> 00:58:09.014
So this is, I'm still exploring the new world of Colorado and what dressing for a date was.

00:58:09.304 --> 00:58:10.755
So part of that was on me.

00:58:11.550 --> 00:58:19.570
But he kicked off his flip flops and put his feet up on my dashboard and rolled the window down and I was like, okay, that's the way this is going.

00:58:19.670 --> 00:58:23.789
I am clearly not dressed for feet on the dashboard.

00:58:23.940 --> 00:58:24.420
Right.

00:58:25.079 --> 00:58:28.449
And your feet are the first feet that have been on my dash, motherfucker.

00:58:28.480 --> 00:58:35.039
Like I just cleaned that dashboard because of my OCD and I wanted it to be nice and sparkly.

00:58:35.309 --> 00:58:44.710
Yeah, so, um, yeah, and that wasn't a bad date, but it was just like, gosh, how did we, how did we meet and had all of this stuff that we wrote about ourselves and we were connected?

00:58:44.739 --> 00:58:45.079
Right.

00:58:45.190 --> 00:58:49.230
How could it instantly be like, Oh, you're so wrong.

00:58:49.469 --> 00:58:51.550
Not in any way compatible.

00:58:52.320 --> 00:58:53.050
I appreciate that.

00:58:53.639 --> 00:58:55.349
Um, I'm going to call a quick break.

00:58:55.489 --> 00:58:55.750
Okay.

00:59:39.155 --> 00:59:45.085
Um, but yes, I've, I've said more inappropriate things on this podcast than you would imagine.

00:59:45.215 --> 00:59:47.335
Um, but not that inappropriate.

00:59:47.344 --> 00:59:53.625
So, um, you know, if you want to really get crazy, it's been 10 weeks since anybody smoked weed with me on the podcast.

00:59:53.675 --> 00:59:53.985
Oh my gosh.

00:59:54.085 --> 00:59:57.574
So can I tell you, I've never smoked a cigarette or smoked weed.

00:59:57.885 --> 00:59:59.744
I'm actually highly allergic to smoke.

00:59:59.764 --> 01:00:01.335
So I will be hospitalized.

01:00:01.335 --> 01:00:02.985
To smoke or nicotine?

01:00:03.375 --> 01:00:03.985
Oh, no shit.

01:00:04.025 --> 01:00:04.164
To smoke.

01:00:04.164 --> 01:00:05.465
Well then I definitely won't let up.

01:00:05.465 --> 01:00:06.014
All right.

01:00:06.025 --> 01:00:06.335
That's cool.

01:00:06.605 --> 01:00:08.304
But I have tried the gummies.

01:00:08.949 --> 01:00:14.070
But yeah, if I'm in a plume of smoke and it gets into my lungs, it gives me bronchitis or pneumonia.

01:00:14.210 --> 01:00:14.570
Oh, that's crazy.

01:00:15.210 --> 01:00:16.610
Like within 24 hours.

01:00:16.630 --> 01:00:17.550
Wow.

01:00:17.630 --> 01:00:18.730
Well then I definitely won't do that.

01:00:18.760 --> 01:00:19.260
I know.

01:00:19.369 --> 01:00:21.389
So I would love to take you up on your offer.

01:00:21.480 --> 01:00:21.659
No.

01:00:22.179 --> 01:00:22.789
That would be disturbing.

01:00:24.099 --> 01:00:25.909
Well, if we do it again, um.

01:00:26.079 --> 01:00:26.409
Gummies.

01:00:26.449 --> 01:00:27.400
I'll give us some mushrooms.

01:00:28.429 --> 01:00:30.590
I haven't done that yet.

01:00:30.590 --> 01:00:36.420
I did mushrooms with my acupuncturist episode 99.

01:00:37.139 --> 01:00:41.960
She had gifted them to me for my birthday and I had a couple left and it was okay.

01:00:41.960 --> 01:00:47.760
She was a little bit, a little bit sideways for part of it's okay.

01:00:47.769 --> 01:00:56.840
You know, the, the stuff that the, the, um, medicinal miracles that can come out of stuff that we've made.

01:00:57.304 --> 01:01:00.875
Illegal is incredible and I want to know so much more.

01:01:01.125 --> 01:01:14.309
I've always been very straight laced That's why I've never smoked a cigarette because I'm like, I want to be president someday and I'm not going to be but I've always like, I've had that restraint where it just doesn't matter to me that much.

01:01:14.309 --> 01:01:20.079
I'm not really tempted, but um, now when things become legal, all of a sudden I'm like, Oh, eyes wide open.

01:01:20.081 --> 01:01:24.079
And why wouldn't I try that if it can help me feel better?

01:01:24.409 --> 01:01:25.369
Less anxiety.

01:01:25.389 --> 01:01:26.090
Things like that.

01:01:26.090 --> 01:01:26.329
Sure.

01:01:26.389 --> 01:01:27.349
I like that notion.

01:01:27.710 --> 01:01:28.090
Yes.

01:01:28.400 --> 01:01:34.699
I actually, both my, I think my husband had, had tried smoking it, but we both tried the edibles once it became legal.

01:01:34.719 --> 01:01:38.860
Cause again, both straight laced, not a tattoo on our bodies, nerd alert.

01:01:39.179 --> 01:01:41.239
He was a rocket scientist for NASA.

01:01:41.239 --> 01:01:41.280
Bye.

01:01:42.065 --> 01:01:46.614
So if that tells you anything about our relationship, and so both of us are like, Oh, it's legal.

01:01:46.614 --> 01:01:52.144
We feel like we can do it and try to, I forget which birthday it was, but, um, we went to a comedy show.

01:01:52.155 --> 01:01:54.565
We took a little bit and went to a comedy show.

01:01:54.985 --> 01:01:58.034
At the time, the dosing wasn't quite accurate.

01:01:58.965 --> 01:02:01.195
It was the worst night ever.

01:02:01.255 --> 01:02:04.215
I was so sick that I almost died.

01:02:04.454 --> 01:02:05.925
I should have been hospitalized.

01:02:07.195 --> 01:02:07.755
Really?

01:02:07.764 --> 01:02:11.324
You just took like what was supposed to be one dose, but it like blew you up?

01:02:11.344 --> 01:02:18.054
Half of what we thought, so it was, um, it was a Reese's pieces, but there was probably like a hundred milligrams in there.

01:02:18.054 --> 01:02:21.605
And like, I'd never even done five, let alone 10 or a hundred.

01:02:22.695 --> 01:02:24.644
So my husband's like, it's not kicking in.

01:02:24.644 --> 01:02:25.284
It's not kicking in.

01:02:25.284 --> 01:02:26.155
I need you more.

01:02:26.715 --> 01:02:28.784
And we're like trying to have like a good night into my night.

01:02:28.784 --> 01:02:33.905
And it was, It was hours later and still hadn't kicked in and then when it kicked in, it was death.

01:02:34.135 --> 01:02:35.894
I mean, I was violently sick.

01:02:35.925 --> 01:02:39.550
Oh, so it took forever to kick in for you, but then it just blew up.

01:02:39.550 --> 01:02:42.885
So bad where I was like, why haven't you called 9 1 1 yet?

01:02:42.885 --> 01:02:45.875
Could barely breathe.

01:02:46.304 --> 01:02:47.054
Puking my guts out.

01:02:47.114 --> 01:02:48.625
Oh man, I'm so sorry.

01:02:48.655 --> 01:02:48.894
Yeah.

01:02:50.719 --> 01:02:55.960
But then I had tried gummies after that in a safe space with some friends when the dosing was corrected.

01:02:56.300 --> 01:02:58.550
And I was like, Oh, this is what it is.

01:02:58.550 --> 01:03:01.320
And then learned a lot of interesting things about my friends.

01:03:02.159 --> 01:03:07.980
Let's choose who we do this with next time.

01:03:08.059 --> 01:03:09.360
Where did we jump off?

01:03:09.360 --> 01:03:28.150
Oh, I think we were like, You were doing the dating blog thing and stuff like that, doing TV, radio, whatever, and kind of leading up to, ultimately, well, you, you found your way to Colorado and then, and then we kind of lit up to big deal, but was there any major milestones in your career after that?

01:03:28.150 --> 01:03:30.449
You worked in radio too?

01:03:30.489 --> 01:03:31.059
Is that right?

01:03:31.320 --> 01:03:31.710
Yeah.

01:03:31.766 --> 01:03:33.465
This is backing up just a little bit.

01:03:33.545 --> 01:03:37.476
I owe my career, in general, to Febreze.

01:03:37.476 --> 01:03:43.365
Febreze came out in 1997.

01:03:44.706 --> 01:03:45.545
Yeah, that's right.

01:03:45.806 --> 01:03:47.865
Um, I was driving down the road.

01:03:47.936 --> 01:03:49.715
I was, um, I worked three jobs.

01:03:50.005 --> 01:04:15.626
Uh, at the same time while I was in college, and I was listening to the radio at four o'clock in the morning going to my first job for the day, and there was, um, a morning radio show, they called him a stunt guy, was doing a challenge with like Diet Coke and Febreze, and so the stunt guy was doing some competition where he had to shoot down, you know, empty Coke cans, and he If you did, whatever the thing was, you won tickets to a concert.

01:04:15.646 --> 01:04:17.766
And if you didn't, you won a bottle of Febreze.

01:04:18.115 --> 01:04:23.606
So it was a promotion for Coke, a promotion for Febreze and they put it together and he was hilarious.

01:04:24.016 --> 01:04:26.865
And I was like, man, this is what I want to do.

01:04:27.206 --> 01:04:35.556
Because in college I was taking, I actually took a course to figure out where I was going to go because I was good at a lot of things, but not great at any one thing where I was like, that's it.

01:04:35.956 --> 01:04:37.516
And there was all this pressure.

01:04:37.706 --> 01:04:39.155
To pick your major.

01:04:39.157 --> 01:04:39.766
Right, right.

01:04:39.865 --> 01:04:41.005
And I wasn't there yet.

01:04:41.007 --> 01:04:41.536
Right, right.

01:04:41.576 --> 01:04:45.045
So, um, I went up to him and I said, I want your job.

01:04:45.155 --> 01:04:46.096
How do I get it?

01:04:46.766 --> 01:04:52.596
And that was what launched my career because it took me months for them to even allow me an interview.

01:04:52.795 --> 01:05:01.976
So I would sit out, I would sit in the waiting room of that radio station in my little JC Penney suit, hoping to get an interview.

01:05:02.065 --> 01:05:02.646
No shit.

01:05:03.556 --> 01:05:04.766
That is interesting.

01:05:07.436 --> 01:05:08.436
Like that's persistent.

01:05:08.445 --> 01:05:31.286
Why why were you I don't know what it was on that like there is that allure There was something about his being able to make people happy and the idea that it was bringing these two brands together And so I knew behind it there was marketing and so he had they had to come up with something that would make coke happy And Febreze happy brand was launching do you know listeners happy?

01:05:31.471 --> 01:05:36.641
And win tickets and like, all of that spoke to me and I said, I want to do this.

01:05:36.731 --> 01:05:56.900
I've just been thinking about a reason that, something we should do for the Loco Experience podcast is have, and maybe, I should probably require every guest to bring a gift and then the listeners can answer a question or do something to engage and they can win that gift.

01:05:57.701 --> 01:05:57.981
Right?

01:05:57.981 --> 01:06:01.481
Prove that you listen to it and do this thing and then you can win a gift.

01:06:01.641 --> 01:06:02.641
Oh my gosh, I love it.

01:06:02.771 --> 01:06:06.880
Um, and I don't know what that looks like necessarily, but we keep it local and whatever.

01:06:06.882 --> 01:06:08.121
Yes! Oh my gosh.

01:06:08.280 --> 01:06:09.260
And I totally agree.

01:06:09.701 --> 01:06:10.981
I totally messed it up.

01:06:11.240 --> 01:06:14.121
I, so it's actually Clean Shower was the competition.

01:06:14.150 --> 01:06:16.371
Febreze was another story that came right before it.

01:06:16.380 --> 01:06:16.871
Oh my gosh.

01:06:16.871 --> 01:06:17.391
Can you believe this?

01:06:17.661 --> 01:06:19.110
Cause I still keep it in my shower.

01:06:19.110 --> 01:06:20.920
It's like my little tribute to this contest.

01:06:20.920 --> 01:06:22.791
So kudos to Clean Shower, actually.

01:06:22.851 --> 01:06:23.960
I know, I love branding.

01:06:24.601 --> 01:06:29.751
So it was Clean Shower, which I still use to this day, but that was, it was Coke and Clean Shower.

01:06:30.090 --> 01:06:34.300
And, um, I'm still loyal to the brand because I feel like that was the launch of everything.

01:06:34.331 --> 01:06:35.170
That's really cool.

01:06:35.331 --> 01:06:37.371
I love those kind of like epiphany moments.

01:06:37.440 --> 01:06:37.740
Yeah.

01:06:37.951 --> 01:06:38.650
Along the way.

01:06:38.681 --> 01:06:39.780
But I didn't know it at the time.

01:06:39.800 --> 01:06:40.210
Well, sure.

01:06:40.211 --> 01:06:41.681
It took forever to figure it out.

01:06:41.800 --> 01:06:44.090
But like, that was it where I said, this is it.

01:06:44.340 --> 01:06:48.420
And then just past that, I wanted to be full time on the air.

01:06:48.451 --> 01:06:50.940
So I, at the time I said, I will work for free.

01:06:50.960 --> 01:06:52.090
I want to learn the business.

01:06:52.710 --> 01:06:53.690
And of course.

01:06:53.760 --> 01:06:55.360
It was like, for sure.

01:06:56.280 --> 01:07:01.101
Um, and so they eventually gave me an on air shift and I was on air for quite some time.

01:07:01.820 --> 01:07:04.820
And then when I graduated, I said, okay, this is what I want to do.

01:07:04.820 --> 01:07:05.371
I'm here.

01:07:05.411 --> 01:07:06.521
I have the degree.

01:07:06.900 --> 01:07:10.780
And they said, well, we don't have anything, but when we do, we'll let you know.

01:07:11.431 --> 01:07:22.121
And when something finally came available after I got a first full time job, they said you can do overnights at 18, 000 a year, or you can work in sales.

01:07:22.210 --> 01:07:24.280
You start at 32 plus you make commission.

01:07:25.521 --> 01:07:25.940
So.

01:07:26.641 --> 01:07:28.650
I chose couldn't afford to take the overnight job.

01:07:28.751 --> 01:07:32.590
I took, I took the sales and I said, I'm going to, I will work in sales.

01:07:32.641 --> 01:07:36.780
I'm not going to like it, but I will do it so long as you let me still be on air.

01:07:37.231 --> 01:07:40.030
And they said, okay, so I worked, so I worked seven days a week.

01:07:40.061 --> 01:07:41.481
I worked sales Monday through Friday.

01:07:41.481 --> 01:07:43.561
I was on the air Saturdays and Sundays.

01:07:44.181 --> 01:07:46.451
And, um, but you were building a personal brand.

01:07:47.050 --> 01:07:47.320
Yeah.

01:07:47.320 --> 01:07:50.610
Even though ultimately it didn't transfer or whatever, but you.

01:07:50.840 --> 01:07:51.300
Yeah.

01:07:51.331 --> 01:07:55.831
I don't, I, I loved it and it wasn't so much the ego cause that's why a lot of people go into that work.

01:07:55.831 --> 01:07:59.070
It's feeding the ego, but um, it was bringing the fun.

01:07:59.081 --> 01:08:09.550
So I loved every, before every show I would do two hours of show prep and I would like look at, you know, like celebrity birthdays and what's going on in the news and read everything I could.

01:08:09.550 --> 01:08:10.280
So I had stuff to talk about.

01:08:10.280 --> 01:08:11.681
For a basically unpaid role.

01:08:11.706 --> 01:08:17.055
For, yeah, I think I made 5 and 30 some cents an hour at that point.

01:08:17.395 --> 01:08:23.216
Um, but yeah, it was, I worked for a top 40 station, so it was all like, what's trendy within what's topical.

01:08:23.515 --> 01:08:28.565
And, um, but my very first client where I felt like this was the cat, the.

01:08:28.996 --> 01:08:35.506
Catapult or the catalyst of me building thick skin, which I still don't have, but, um, I had, I knew I had it.

01:08:35.551 --> 01:08:54.140
Um, so I had to have it for this business that I'm in now and was then, was, um, typically when you start as a salesperson, you're given a list and that list is a lot of clients that are leftovers that no one wants, rough clients, people that used to advertise with us and no longer do, think that we suck, get them back on air.

01:08:54.421 --> 01:08:54.791
Right.

01:08:54.881 --> 01:08:57.150
And so I got my list starting my.

01:08:57.280 --> 01:09:01.740
Job at 32, 000 a year plus commission and, um, had a mentor.

01:09:01.740 --> 01:09:02.940
He went with me on the road.

01:09:03.211 --> 01:09:08.610
My first day on the job was I had to show up to a client and try to collect on their bill.

01:09:08.621 --> 01:09:10.180
That was like over six months past.

01:09:10.211 --> 01:09:12.921
Oh, never having done this in my life.

01:09:13.461 --> 01:09:19.680
You're 20 years old, 21, 22, whatever.

01:09:19.961 --> 01:09:20.511
And.

01:09:20.911 --> 01:09:31.770
This client was a former male stripper, known as Sweet Pete, who opened up a store for strippers with their attire.

01:09:31.980 --> 01:09:32.530
Oh, okay.

01:09:32.671 --> 01:09:34.480
A stripper's specialty store.

01:09:34.511 --> 01:09:34.900
Uh huh.

01:09:35.001 --> 01:09:36.421
So, high heels.

01:09:36.815 --> 01:09:42.956
Split crotch panties, and my job is to You're like a little church girl trying to get into the radio business.

01:09:43.296 --> 01:09:46.645
It was so bad, like, this could not have been a worse combination.

01:09:48.025 --> 01:09:51.695
So my job is to collect from You can't even look at the split crotch panties.

01:09:51.697 --> 01:09:53.445
Oh my god, I was so uncomfortable.

01:09:53.445 --> 01:09:55.115
I was sweating walking in the door.

01:09:56.676 --> 01:09:59.805
So, it was so uncomfortable.

01:10:00.496 --> 01:10:03.475
Confrontational and my mentor didn't help me at all.

01:10:03.496 --> 01:10:05.905
He just sat there and watched me try to negotiate.

01:10:07.046 --> 01:10:11.166
Well, this man, like I had the paperwork shaking in my little hands in front of me.

01:10:11.286 --> 01:10:13.445
You signed this, sir.

01:10:13.845 --> 01:10:15.426
He smacked it out of my hands.

01:10:15.456 --> 01:10:19.746
I got a paper cut and I was just like, I can't believe, this is what I signed up for.

01:10:19.775 --> 01:10:21.756
This is what I'm making money on.

01:10:21.775 --> 01:10:25.115
This is not what I wanted, but I stuck with it and I did well.

01:10:25.115 --> 01:10:27.895
And I became the top salesperson within a couple of years.

01:10:27.895 --> 01:10:28.166
And.

01:10:28.405 --> 01:10:30.015
That's how we ended up in Colorado.

01:10:30.775 --> 01:10:31.746
So interesting.

01:10:32.645 --> 01:10:39.046
It's such a like surprising path for you to choose in some ways.

01:10:39.046 --> 01:10:55.975
Like, even though I can tell your values were pretty well cemented, uh, during, you know, your childhood and stuff, your willingness to poke at the edges of That bubble that was created in your, uh, growing up experience was apparent.

01:10:56.166 --> 01:10:56.636
Yeah.

01:10:56.935 --> 01:10:57.256
Yeah.

01:10:57.265 --> 01:11:01.725
I, being in the media, uh, it was a very salty experience.

01:11:02.176 --> 01:11:10.536
My parents know nothing about what I learned or saw.

01:11:10.716 --> 01:11:20.476
There's a whole lot of cuss words and sexual innuendos and, Um, it's just such a very different experience for a young, Christian, naive, female, coming from a tiny town.

01:11:20.476 --> 01:11:22.599
Well, and you were probably pretty back then.

01:11:22.599 --> 01:11:23.128
Just kidding.

01:11:23.128 --> 01:11:23.923
I'm just kidding.

01:11:23.923 --> 01:11:25.250
You're very pretty right now.

01:11:25.250 --> 01:11:26.310
Once upon a time.

01:11:26.310 --> 01:11:35.661
But, like, you were probably a looker and got all these, like, 50 year old fat radio dudes, like, You called it literally, I'm not kidding.

01:11:37.411 --> 01:11:37.610
Yeah.

01:11:37.680 --> 01:11:45.430
So the sitting on with my little JC penny skirt, little suit, trying to get the interview, literally, I'm not even joking.

01:11:45.440 --> 01:11:48.211
The program director who is still alive, Dr.

01:11:48.211 --> 01:11:55.831
Dave Matthews, um, Asked, he intentionally dropped a pencil and asked me to bend over and pick it up during the interview.

01:11:55.850 --> 01:12:00.001
Like these are the days when this happened, I'll never forget it.

01:12:00.430 --> 01:12:03.100
And I did it because I knew I was going to get the job.

01:12:03.350 --> 01:12:03.640
Right.

01:12:04.081 --> 01:12:05.680
If you did it, if I did, yeah.

01:12:05.740 --> 01:12:06.980
If I did it, yeah.

01:12:07.261 --> 01:12:12.270
And I had a car dealership where he would only allow me in the building if I showed up in a skirt.

01:12:13.011 --> 01:12:14.980
Yeah, this is, this was it.

01:12:15.161 --> 01:12:16.331
It's disgusting.

01:12:16.451 --> 01:12:16.650
Yeah.

01:12:16.650 --> 01:12:16.900
Yeah.

01:12:16.930 --> 01:12:17.270
Yeah.

01:12:17.581 --> 01:12:22.350
So we were just talking about, I was just talking, I have an exchange student.

01:12:22.421 --> 01:12:28.780
He's been living with me for a month and we were just talking about kind of the, like why, what happens in the U.

01:12:28.780 --> 01:12:29.001
S.

01:12:29.030 --> 01:12:29.890
matters.

01:12:30.490 --> 01:12:49.890
To people in Finland because he's like kind of like, you know, even Finland politics doesn't matter and American politics doesn't matter and stuff and we got to talking about the what was the 2017 2018 like ladies like say something when somebody smacks you on the ass when they're not supposed to or what what was it called?

01:12:50.320 --> 01:12:56.975
the we We should know, we should know this, right?

01:12:56.985 --> 01:12:57.435
Right.

01:12:57.525 --> 01:12:57.905
Yeah.

01:12:57.996 --> 01:13:02.445
It was like, obviously kind of an awakeness movement among ladies and whatever.

01:13:02.466 --> 01:13:06.685
And it was, you know, it took down Weinstein and whatever else.

01:13:06.756 --> 01:13:17.046
Um, yes, I, it was all about, anyway, I was very much understanding and in agreement with this moment because I was a receiver of it for a very long time.

01:13:17.055 --> 01:13:22.586
Well, and one thing that was extraordinary to me in my banking career, um, as I got to be in my.

01:13:23.190 --> 01:13:27.621
I guess I would have been in my late 20s, early 30s, and I'm an officer of the bank.

01:13:27.621 --> 01:13:33.150
You know, I'm one of the bosses and I've got all these generally beautiful young women that work for me.

01:13:33.161 --> 01:13:38.520
But also, like later in my career, there was a couple of gals that were peers.

01:13:38.900 --> 01:13:43.001
So they had become lending officers or operations officers.

01:13:43.011 --> 01:13:48.860
And so they were on an equal standing and they were like, Kurt, you're such not like a pig.

01:13:49.166 --> 01:13:51.206
Yeah, right.

01:13:51.206 --> 01:13:56.055
And we've been, it's so accustomed to, they're basically being male pigs in this industry that.

01:13:56.475 --> 01:14:15.326
You're like, awkwardly not that way, and I was like, I don't know, I'm from North Dakota, like I'm from a farm country where women are equals and partners and helpers and, you know, and can, and you don't abuse that power, uh, or privilege.

01:14:15.636 --> 01:14:17.336
Well, it's, it's everywhere.

01:14:17.610 --> 01:14:18.360
Still is.

01:14:18.440 --> 01:14:19.341
Was more then.

01:14:19.740 --> 01:14:22.530
In fact, is it, um, I don't know his, the right name.

01:14:22.560 --> 01:14:23.051
Is he P.

01:14:23.051 --> 01:14:23.470
Diddy?

01:14:23.480 --> 01:14:24.490
Sean Puffycombs?

01:14:24.560 --> 01:14:25.270
Oh yeah, Diddy.

01:14:25.551 --> 01:14:26.871
Diddy got arrested.

01:14:26.871 --> 01:14:27.541
Yeah.

01:14:27.711 --> 01:14:28.680
Um, so.

01:14:28.730 --> 01:14:32.360
And it wasn't just women, he had dudes like, under slavery too.

01:14:32.381 --> 01:14:32.730
So.

01:14:32.876 --> 01:14:33.605
So much.

01:14:33.645 --> 01:14:45.235
Yeah, I think it was just a matter of time before people say it's all feel like it's okay to speak out and yeah, and well, and where I was going with that and this, you won't drift into politics yet.

01:14:45.275 --> 01:14:46.145
We didn't transfer it.

01:14:46.796 --> 01:14:57.890
And like five years later, we're like, giving top women's swimmer awards to some dude and having dudes beat up women at the Olympics.

01:14:57.940 --> 01:15:04.881
And it's like, we listen to what women need and all the pressures they face.

01:15:04.921 --> 01:15:06.430
And then we were like, what is a woman?

01:15:07.570 --> 01:15:08.581
It means nothing to me.

01:15:08.970 --> 01:15:09.270
Yes.

01:15:09.280 --> 01:15:11.461
You can turn into a woman, young man, Mr.

01:15:11.690 --> 01:15:12.640
seven year old.

01:15:13.701 --> 01:15:14.541
I know, I know.

01:15:14.560 --> 01:15:15.841
It's, I.

01:15:16.530 --> 01:15:32.871
I, I have really young kids and so I, um, think often like, how am I, how am I going to talk about this at their level and help them understand and what do I need to tell them versus what should we not speak of, you know, what's history or what's under the rug or what do you tell your parents?

01:15:33.081 --> 01:15:33.421
Yeah.

01:15:34.100 --> 01:15:42.490
Like even that story of in your job interview, like I would feel like in today's world, like I would get.

01:15:43.365 --> 01:15:45.216
A lawsuit immediately.

01:15:45.246 --> 01:15:55.235
If I gave that question to any of my applicants for my part time internship, it was, yeah, I should, it was expected and assumed.

01:15:55.775 --> 01:15:58.975
I didn't know that because I hadn't been in that world yet.

01:15:59.006 --> 01:16:01.166
So I learned a lot and I became.

01:16:01.676 --> 01:16:04.496
Very, very tough and aware.

01:16:04.826 --> 01:16:08.195
And I think it helped me because I was raised in such a sheltered world.

01:16:08.206 --> 01:16:10.365
It helped me be a little bit more prepared.

01:16:10.865 --> 01:16:17.916
Um, I don't know that I would redo anything, but if I, at the time, I know that if I had said something, I just wouldn't have a job, right?

01:16:17.935 --> 01:16:20.086
Like it just, you know, it would just be like, right.

01:16:20.087 --> 01:16:23.405
But you also didn't have to go a next step further.

01:16:23.435 --> 01:16:30.136
Like you could defend yourself against an actual, it was already misconduct.

01:16:30.136 --> 01:16:31.515
So I don't want to say that, but an actual.

01:16:32.451 --> 01:16:33.341
Physical threat.

01:16:33.520 --> 01:16:39.501
Yeah, right and we it was already if you were strong if if you were strong if you're not if you stood up To Billy's.

01:16:39.600 --> 01:16:39.921
Yeah.

01:16:40.110 --> 01:17:14.030
Yeah, it was already well known in that particular position that the sales manager at the time, it was rumored she had slept her way to the top with whom I'm not sure, but one could imagine because she wasn't bright, she was very attractive, but any of us could have done her job, um, that she slept her way up and she was sleeping with clients literally in her office while we were working and could see her with like lipstick smeared across her face after she had a meeting with the client grow to get to get clients.

01:17:14.421 --> 01:17:14.671
Yeah.

01:17:14.720 --> 01:17:26.100
Well, and that's, like, I hate to say it, uh, and this is awkward even to say it, but like there's also truth to the fact that women have special powers to close deals.

01:17:27.025 --> 01:17:33.966
Right, like she was abusing female privilege while your bosses were abusing male privilege in some respects.

01:17:34.265 --> 01:17:44.605
That wasn't fair to her clients and customers or station either, or to herself, um, because you know, a dude in that role couldn't have closed that deal.

01:17:44.615 --> 01:17:46.015
No, no.

01:17:46.326 --> 01:17:48.525
And I know this is not the same way anyway.

01:17:48.905 --> 01:17:49.735
Hot, hot.

01:17:50.815 --> 01:17:51.695
Taboo topic.

01:17:51.716 --> 01:17:59.636
But even here, when I came in Colorado and I was working in sales for the media, there was a client locally, he's no longer the owner of the business.

01:17:59.636 --> 01:18:04.246
So I feel comfortable saying this, but he would only do business or do contracts over drinks.

01:18:04.475 --> 01:18:04.865
Okay.

01:18:05.605 --> 01:18:08.036
And, uh, the largest company.

01:18:08.336 --> 01:18:16.956
The largest contract I ever closed was, I closed it, we had cocktails, it was a long night, and that was expected.

01:18:17.055 --> 01:18:20.655
You take them to concerts, you wine, you dine, you know, kind of part of the job.

01:18:22.055 --> 01:18:25.666
He texted me that night and asked me what color my panties were.

01:18:26.706 --> 01:18:40.405
And the uncomfortable situation, knowing that I had just done my largest deal, and if I tell him to go pound sand, I would lose all of that money.

01:18:40.735 --> 01:18:43.015
I would lose that client for my company.

01:18:43.966 --> 01:18:48.095
Or if I just say nothing and pretend that the text never came through.

01:18:48.765 --> 01:18:50.185
Sorry, I out what would come out.

01:18:50.195 --> 01:18:50.515
Yeah.

01:18:50.966 --> 01:18:56.305
Um, or do I acknowledge it and play along with it, but then draw the line somewhere?

01:18:56.315 --> 01:18:59.055
Hopefully I'll let you figure out what I did.

01:18:59.605 --> 01:19:01.296
Well, I think I knew who it was already.

01:19:02.315 --> 01:19:03.725
His first name starts with an M.

01:19:04.985 --> 01:19:05.345
No.

01:19:05.466 --> 01:19:05.855
Oh, it doesn't?

01:19:05.865 --> 01:19:06.105
No.

01:19:06.206 --> 01:19:06.345
Okay.

01:19:06.426 --> 01:19:06.786
All right.

01:19:06.916 --> 01:19:07.405
No.

01:19:07.475 --> 01:19:07.805
Okay.

01:19:07.815 --> 01:19:08.036
No.

01:19:08.076 --> 01:19:08.336
All right.

01:19:08.345 --> 01:19:09.416
I'll come up with another guess.

01:19:09.466 --> 01:19:10.256
No, I mean.

01:19:10.416 --> 01:19:11.865
Yeah, we don't need to talk anymore about it.

01:19:11.926 --> 01:19:15.865
But, um, what would I have, what did you do, or what would I have done?

01:19:15.865 --> 01:19:18.666
I said I'll let you, I'll let you guess what I did.

01:19:20.155 --> 01:19:28.036
I'm gonna say I'm gonna say number three like what's the harm play it out.

01:19:28.065 --> 01:19:28.975
See what happens.

01:19:29.695 --> 01:19:30.685
They're pink motherfucker.

01:19:30.786 --> 01:19:48.685
Yeah, it probably weren't But it's either creepy married married kids pillar of the community, right like you don't want to ruin his life You can tell me after certainly I will don't want to ruin mine.

01:19:48.786 --> 01:19:49.195
I like it.

01:19:49.246 --> 01:20:04.586
Um, but start with a tea No, okay, man, you know a lot of shady people dude I know a lot of people and I have guesses on who the potentially shady ones are, you know And some of them call themselves Christians As he did.

01:20:04.666 --> 01:20:18.621
Yes that's that's probably like if I have a what's the thing when something annoys you like Like a pesky little, or yeah, those things, uh, pet peeve pet peeve.

01:20:18.690 --> 01:20:18.951
Okay.

01:20:19.001 --> 01:20:19.610
Yes.

01:20:20.520 --> 01:20:32.230
And it's not even a pet peeve because it's like a, a giant pet anger alligator is people that call themselves, especially Christian men that do stuff like that.

01:20:32.270 --> 01:20:32.751
Yeah.

01:20:33.201 --> 01:20:39.331
You know, and, and they, they, they, I don't care what they, if they tarnish their own name, but don't tarnish the name of Christ.

01:20:39.360 --> 01:20:39.871
I'm sorry.

01:20:40.270 --> 01:20:45.081
I find that, uh, in my own personal life, very challenging.

01:20:45.411 --> 01:20:50.315
Being a Christian, being among people who I know can't speak English.

01:20:50.326 --> 01:21:02.956
Um, when we all say love everyone, love one another, can't really love everyone or can't appreciate things about everyone where that we, we don't get to choose about who is good and who's not.

01:21:02.956 --> 01:21:03.886
That's not our job.

01:21:04.546 --> 01:21:06.435
That's, that's one of my pet peeves.

01:21:06.506 --> 01:21:07.155
Oh, that too.

01:21:07.185 --> 01:21:08.136
Oh, 100%.

01:21:08.206 --> 01:21:08.336
Yeah.

01:21:08.336 --> 01:21:09.015
It's all or nothing.

01:21:09.666 --> 01:21:10.225
Love or not.

01:21:10.555 --> 01:21:10.855
Yeah.

01:21:10.966 --> 01:21:11.235
Yeah.

01:21:11.345 --> 01:21:11.746
Agreed.

01:21:12.376 --> 01:21:14.865
Um, and so interesting.

01:21:14.985 --> 01:21:16.235
Um, we'll talk about it later.

01:21:16.725 --> 01:21:17.386
I like that.

01:21:17.506 --> 01:21:21.685
Um, So it feels like we're kind of coming to the end of the journey part.

01:21:22.426 --> 01:21:24.206
We're like, we're coming up to the big deal company.

01:21:24.206 --> 01:21:37.746
Is there other big chapters, other big moments in that anybody else want to call the carpet so that when they're listening to this, they're going to be like, shit, she's talking about me, the dirt, you know, no, I actually confidential.

01:21:37.775 --> 01:21:39.626
What is this confidential call outs?

01:21:39.956 --> 01:21:44.225
That would be actually a pretty interesting segment of the local experience podcast too.

01:21:44.466 --> 01:21:44.956
Oh my gosh.

01:21:45.376 --> 01:21:45.615
Yes.

01:21:45.645 --> 01:21:46.485
I would love that.

01:21:46.845 --> 01:21:49.836
Um, Yeah, was it the taxicab confessions?

01:21:49.966 --> 01:21:50.185
Yeah.

01:21:50.195 --> 01:21:50.506
Right.

01:21:50.506 --> 01:21:51.466
I don't like that.

01:21:51.466 --> 01:21:51.685
Yeah.

01:21:51.686 --> 01:21:52.826
Yeah.

01:21:52.826 --> 01:21:59.905
But it would be it would be an interesting segment because almost everybody's had a betrayal But then but it's such a small town.

01:21:59.916 --> 01:22:01.515
You couldn't really have confidential call.

01:22:01.515 --> 01:22:04.956
It's actually Function well, I've had plenty in my life.

01:22:04.975 --> 01:22:09.775
Thankfully a lot of the lessons learned were in Detroit, but Here, yeah, certainly.

01:22:09.786 --> 01:22:15.586
I mean, there's Are people kinder and nicer here in Fort Collins than Detroit, or is it kind of the same shit, different setting?

01:22:15.605 --> 01:22:18.086
I would say there's actually something to the Midwest.

01:22:18.286 --> 01:22:19.046
That's actually better.

01:22:19.046 --> 01:22:20.605
Yeah, I love the Midwest.

01:22:20.886 --> 01:22:23.055
But no, I think we're a melting pot here.

01:22:23.126 --> 01:22:23.336
Right.

01:22:23.336 --> 01:22:25.275
And so I can't really, like, categorize people.

01:22:25.275 --> 01:22:26.336
Right, it's hard to read.

01:22:26.336 --> 01:22:26.466
Yeah.

01:22:26.746 --> 01:22:30.126
That's an interesting thing about the Midwest is people don't really move there much.

01:22:30.520 --> 01:22:32.070
And if they do, they're pretty resonant.

01:22:32.201 --> 01:22:38.501
And so there isn't a lot of different kinds of, um, like ethics, I guess.

01:22:38.951 --> 01:22:39.261
Right.

01:22:39.261 --> 01:22:44.631
Like ethics are actually different in New York and California and Oklahoma and Texas and Canada.

01:22:44.631 --> 01:22:48.591
And that doesn't mean one is necessarily wrong as long as you know, the.

01:22:48.756 --> 01:22:51.815
Rule book that you're playing by in the culture that you're playing by.

01:22:52.055 --> 01:22:54.275
And that's maybe part of the problem with the rule world.

01:22:54.485 --> 01:22:54.815
Yeah.

01:22:54.876 --> 01:22:56.256
Like trying to have a global society.

01:22:56.256 --> 01:22:58.326
We aren't all playing with the same rule book.

01:22:58.506 --> 01:22:59.256
Ooh, I like that.

01:22:59.256 --> 01:22:59.435
Yeah.

01:22:59.435 --> 01:23:00.246
About what's appropriate.

01:23:00.275 --> 01:23:02.826
Because you think your rule book is, well this is what I know.

01:23:02.855 --> 01:23:03.155
Right.

01:23:03.155 --> 01:23:07.055
But that's not the way, you know, and we're trying to talk to each other.

01:23:07.055 --> 01:23:07.176
Right, right.

01:23:07.181 --> 01:23:09.560
And you think we're both doing the right, the same thing or the right thing.

01:23:09.725 --> 01:23:10.117
Right, right.

01:23:10.122 --> 01:23:10.400
Yeah.

01:23:11.025 --> 01:23:11.956
And I've experienced that.

01:23:12.506 --> 01:23:14.275
Like, we had a Turkish exchange student.

01:23:14.286 --> 01:23:18.225
My wife and I don't have kids, but we've, uh, had like a dozen exchange students now.

01:23:18.246 --> 01:23:19.076
Ooh, cool.

01:23:19.115 --> 01:23:23.426
And we had a 15, soon turning 16, Turkish student.

01:23:23.475 --> 01:23:23.815
Yeah.

01:23:23.895 --> 01:23:24.416
Karim.

01:23:24.716 --> 01:23:24.975
Yeah.

01:23:25.095 --> 01:23:26.145
Uh, Karim Karahan.

01:23:27.345 --> 01:23:27.555
Mm hmm.

01:23:28.155 --> 01:23:29.055
Neat young man.

01:23:29.065 --> 01:23:29.496
Yeah.

01:23:29.615 --> 01:23:35.676
Um, and he didn't respect my wife nearly to the level that he needed to, because he was living in our home, you know?

01:23:35.685 --> 01:23:35.695
Ooh.

01:23:35.996 --> 01:23:38.150
And so I had to like Yes.

01:23:38.371 --> 01:23:39.240
Put it down.

01:23:39.251 --> 01:23:40.451
This is the way it is here.

01:23:40.451 --> 01:23:42.011
And it wasn't his fault.

01:23:42.051 --> 01:23:42.310
Yeah.

01:23:42.350 --> 01:23:46.701
Like the way he grew up was totally, he was living within the boundary lines.

01:23:46.730 --> 01:23:47.280
Yes.

01:23:47.740 --> 01:23:55.421
Uh, and that's kind of the same even, you know, in like in New York or somebody thinks you're an asshole, they'll just tell you here we have the Colorado slow, maybe, do you know the Colorado slow?

01:23:55.421 --> 01:23:55.801
Maybe.

01:23:56.220 --> 01:23:56.412
No, no.

01:23:56.412 --> 01:23:56.810
Tell me.

01:23:57.341 --> 01:24:02.551
That's like when a client prospect doesn't actually tell you no, but they never tell you yes.

01:24:03.456 --> 01:24:10.966
It's the slow maybe and you just kind of like oh, I'm writing that just suffer through it forever or I've, I've learned to like push for the no.

01:24:12.025 --> 01:24:13.326
And then sometimes I get, yes.

01:24:13.805 --> 01:24:21.315
Like when I push for the no, I'm like, listen, I've, I've, I've emailed you every six months for the last three years since you said you were interested in local think tank.

01:24:21.895 --> 01:24:23.865
Like, I'm not going to email you again.

01:24:24.076 --> 01:24:24.426
Right.

01:24:24.576 --> 01:24:26.126
Like here's the application.

01:24:27.216 --> 01:24:30.365
And here's the do not contact button.

01:24:30.395 --> 01:24:31.336
Push one of these.

01:24:32.006 --> 01:24:35.886
Actually, I haven't quite done it that directly, but I'm actually pretty tempted now that I think about it.

01:24:36.395 --> 01:24:40.166
Like just take yourself off my list or say yes.

01:24:40.225 --> 01:24:41.046
Let's get involved.

01:24:41.636 --> 01:24:42.315
That is good.

01:24:42.365 --> 01:24:44.695
I have a, I have a slow, maybe brewing right now.

01:24:45.055 --> 01:24:47.326
And we've had a verbal since April.

01:24:47.886 --> 01:24:48.386
Oh God.

01:24:48.386 --> 01:24:48.676
Yeah.

01:24:49.095 --> 01:24:53.775
And, but this is big money and we have a great relationship.

01:24:54.176 --> 01:24:55.246
It's just get her done.

01:24:55.326 --> 01:24:55.706
Yeah.

01:24:55.935 --> 01:24:58.195
We have a contract coming on Friday.

01:24:58.235 --> 01:25:02.546
I will let you tomorrow, I will let you know if that's slow maybe action.

01:25:02.555 --> 01:25:12.996
It was a piece of advice from my first banker, uh, boss in banking and he, and he basically said, um, you know, a banker's job is to give a yes or no answer.

01:25:13.206 --> 01:25:13.456
Yeah.

01:25:13.546 --> 01:25:14.645
A slow maybe is.

01:25:14.826 --> 01:25:19.826
It's like the worst thing you can do for your client because they just don't know whether they need to go find a different bank.

01:25:19.826 --> 01:25:20.086
Right.

01:25:20.246 --> 01:25:28.921
And he also said at the same time, like if you can say no in a way that makes them feel Want to refer their friends and know why the answer is no.

01:25:28.921 --> 01:25:30.610
And so they come back when it's yes.

01:25:30.730 --> 01:25:31.220
Yeah.

01:25:31.490 --> 01:25:32.461
Like that's ideal.

01:25:33.951 --> 01:25:34.490
It was great advice.

01:25:34.890 --> 01:25:35.121
Yeah.

01:25:35.121 --> 01:25:40.001
And it works for radio sales, event planning, local think tank.

01:25:40.001 --> 01:25:44.751
Like, like, honestly, you're prime for local think tank membership with your business.

01:25:45.280 --> 01:25:46.480
You totally need it.

01:25:46.940 --> 01:25:49.350
Like you're navigating so many interesting things.

01:25:49.350 --> 01:26:00.841
You've got a profitable, useful, successful business that you, that you Don't really know what you'll do with in five or 10 years, who should be the next leadership team, all those things like there's great reasons for you to be involved.

01:26:00.911 --> 01:26:09.961
I, I was thinking that just last night as I was just looking through everything and kind of prepping and preparing like, ah, it's quite honestly, I am.

01:26:10.386 --> 01:26:14.989
A victim of my own, um, I'm such a planner.

01:26:14.989 --> 01:26:15.595
I overplanned.

01:26:15.605 --> 01:26:22.586
So my calendar is beyond, and I'm really great at committing and doing absolutely everything I can do.

01:26:23.256 --> 01:26:28.805
And, but I often reserve time just to think, just be, just, just to be.

01:26:29.966 --> 01:26:30.206
Yeah.

01:26:30.246 --> 01:26:33.015
Cause I'm so busy making sure everyone else enjoys life.

01:26:33.565 --> 01:26:35.655
Um, and then when it comes to networking.

01:26:35.655 --> 01:26:48.496
So that was one of my things for myself, uh, both last year and this year was just give more time to myself to grow the business and be the face of the business, because often my team is the face I'm behind the scenes, just getting her done.

01:26:48.926 --> 01:26:55.206
And, um, I've done a pretty good job at that and learned some lessons about what I want to be part of, or who I want to work with.

01:26:55.676 --> 01:26:55.865
Yeah.

01:26:56.386 --> 01:26:56.685
Yeah.

01:26:56.725 --> 01:26:59.126
And so I think it, it takes a lot of intention.

01:26:59.166 --> 01:27:01.435
And then when I commit to something, I commit.

01:27:01.775 --> 01:27:04.376
And so I don't want to commit to a bunch of things and just not show up.

01:27:04.395 --> 01:27:05.435
It just wouldn't feel great.

01:27:05.475 --> 01:27:06.586
I don't want you there for that either.

01:27:06.636 --> 01:27:07.006
Yeah.

01:27:07.086 --> 01:27:08.007
So, um, I agree.

01:27:08.007 --> 01:27:08.926
We'll talk more about it after this.

01:27:08.926 --> 01:27:09.225
Yeah.

01:27:09.405 --> 01:27:11.386
But you're the right kind of people.

01:27:11.435 --> 01:27:15.155
Like, you and I have a lot more alike than we have different.

01:27:15.246 --> 01:27:15.555
Yeah.

01:27:15.555 --> 01:27:16.145
It seems.

01:27:16.206 --> 01:27:16.525
Yeah.

01:27:16.706 --> 01:27:23.605
Um, and it's weird how you, I, our first conversation was like, you Yeah.

01:27:24.346 --> 01:27:30.877
It was already apparent that we had a lot of residency in our perspective, I suppose is the right way to say that.

01:27:30.917 --> 01:27:31.266
Yeah.

01:27:31.266 --> 01:27:31.497
Yeah.

01:27:31.497 --> 01:27:44.476
Just helping, helping others grow and acknowledging that what anyone else is working on or what they think is important is important and wanting to support their business and working with genuine, authentic, caring people.

01:27:44.537 --> 01:27:45.636
That's what I care about.

01:27:45.636 --> 01:27:46.167
Totally.

01:27:46.186 --> 01:27:46.476
Yeah.

01:27:46.681 --> 01:27:48.051
Yeah, I could tell that from get go.

01:27:48.181 --> 01:27:48.521
I dig it.

01:27:49.202 --> 01:27:55.402
Um, let's do, uh, let's do the closing segments if, unless you have things you want me to ask you about before then.

01:27:55.792 --> 01:27:57.341
No, I, oh gosh, please.

01:27:57.362 --> 01:27:58.462
I have so much content.

01:27:58.471 --> 01:28:00.372
I could go on for hours on this.

01:28:00.801 --> 01:28:01.771
Well, let's just jump in.

01:28:01.881 --> 01:28:04.212
So we always talk about faith, family, politics.

01:28:04.242 --> 01:28:04.572
Yes.

01:28:04.641 --> 01:28:04.952
Okay.

01:28:05.011 --> 01:28:06.595
In your preferred order.

01:28:07.327 --> 01:28:14.877
Uh, faith, I'm, so I was raised Christian, baptized as a baby, Lutheran, my whole family is Lutheran.

01:28:14.877 --> 01:28:15.396
Lutheran?

01:28:15.476 --> 01:28:16.136
Lutheran.

01:28:16.167 --> 01:28:19.087
Frankly, I don't see that many Lutherans that serious about it.

01:28:19.127 --> 01:28:22.247
You know, like in my experience, we are Catholic light.

01:28:22.636 --> 01:28:31.186
And so that is what everyone says, at least in the Midwest, but where I was raised, there's a church, a bar and a gas station on every corner, fourth corner could be a random.

01:28:31.197 --> 01:28:31.436
Yeah.

01:28:31.436 --> 01:28:31.537
Yeah.

01:28:31.537 --> 01:28:31.765
Yeah.

01:28:31.856 --> 01:28:39.287
Um, but so many churches, so many bars and so many gas stations.

01:28:39.617 --> 01:28:42.367
Um, cause you're, you know, it's urban sprawl.

01:28:42.476 --> 01:28:44.296
So you've got to gas up everywhere you go.

01:28:44.587 --> 01:28:45.627
I used to drive two hours.

01:28:45.896 --> 01:28:55.561
Michigan and Minnesota are a lot the same in Wisconsin where there's just like, There's so much productivity to the land that there were farms every quarter mile way back in the day.

01:28:55.601 --> 01:28:58.231
The only need are 40 acres to raise a family kind of.

01:28:58.752 --> 01:29:04.502
And so now there's just all these little hamlets, you know, roadside bars and different things, whatever.

01:29:04.551 --> 01:29:05.212
That's true.

01:29:05.261 --> 01:29:05.902
That's true.

01:29:06.412 --> 01:29:09.761
Um, so yeah, raised, born, raised, came out here.

01:29:09.761 --> 01:29:17.712
And actually when I started looking for churches, went to all the Lutheran churches and just found the right one for me and still there 20 years later, Which one?

01:29:18.051 --> 01:29:19.061
Redeemer Lutheran.

01:29:19.122 --> 01:29:19.362
Yeah.

01:29:19.391 --> 01:29:19.652
Yeah.

01:29:19.761 --> 01:29:22.322
They have such a pretty building and it's just neat.

01:29:23.152 --> 01:29:23.332
P.

01:29:23.332 --> 01:29:23.591
T.

01:29:23.622 --> 01:29:24.301
That's the pastor.

01:29:25.082 --> 01:29:25.252
P.

01:29:25.252 --> 01:29:25.582
T.?

01:29:25.782 --> 01:29:26.462
Pastor Tim.

01:29:26.692 --> 01:29:26.912
Okay.

01:29:26.921 --> 01:29:30.212
Um, but, so, quite honestly though, we haven't been super involved.

01:29:30.212 --> 01:29:33.752
I always had a job that required a lot of travel, a lot of nights and weekends.

01:29:33.761 --> 01:29:39.832
And so, Sundays have been like, almost always the only day where I have a chance to breathe and do stuff at home.

01:29:39.912 --> 01:29:40.171
Yeah.

01:29:40.242 --> 01:29:43.582
And so, it was pick or choose, which really can, you Yeah.

01:29:43.591 --> 01:29:49.331
Mess with your mind, um, growing up where you're supposed to be, but want to be, but choose other.

01:29:49.332 --> 01:29:49.511
Yeah.

01:29:49.511 --> 01:29:49.832
Yeah.

01:29:49.881 --> 01:29:53.591
Um, and so I've been a little bit better at being more involved and more committed.

01:29:53.692 --> 01:29:54.502
So yeah.

01:29:54.511 --> 01:29:54.891
Faith.

01:29:54.931 --> 01:29:55.752
Wait, was it faith?

01:29:55.782 --> 01:29:56.752
Family politics.

01:29:56.801 --> 01:29:57.192
Yeah.

01:29:57.481 --> 01:29:58.815
Well, I'm not, you're not done with faith yet.

01:29:58.815 --> 01:29:59.686
We're going to talk more about it.

01:29:59.686 --> 01:30:00.971
Oh, I can't breeze over it.

01:30:00.971 --> 01:30:07.011
Well, and I was just, uh, I went to tabletop networking the other day and, uh, they were like, we haven't seen you in so long.

01:30:07.011 --> 01:30:11.011
And I was like, yeah, you and my pastor, you know, it's summer, sorry.

01:30:11.431 --> 01:30:12.242
Um, and.

01:30:13.216 --> 01:30:30.646
Like, talk to me about, there must have been a season, college days, radio days, maybe where you were like, am I, you know, uh, or not, maybe, yeah, questioning, you never, you never, where did you, where did you have your, like, like, well, and Lutherans are different, right?

01:30:30.646 --> 01:30:33.327
They're like dip the baby or they sprinkle them and then they're good.

01:30:33.327 --> 01:30:33.657
Right.

01:30:34.917 --> 01:30:40.686
That, that baptism moment when you were like, yes, I'm an adult and I can say for sure that I affirm my faith.

01:30:40.686 --> 01:30:40.805
Yeah.

01:30:40.806 --> 01:30:41.216
Yeah.

01:30:41.591 --> 01:30:42.612
I don't know.

01:30:42.832 --> 01:30:43.811
This is going to sound crazy.

01:30:43.841 --> 01:30:45.242
I don't know that I ever questioned it.

01:30:46.051 --> 01:30:49.612
And I don't, for me, it's not so much the label.

01:30:49.912 --> 01:30:53.452
So I don't care if you're Presbyterian, Episcopalian.

01:30:53.641 --> 01:31:08.452
Honestly, if you believe in something, I feel like the, the higher power that we all believe in, or that those of us who believe in something, some, somewhere, Might be the same for everyone, but we call it something different.

01:31:08.921 --> 01:31:14.702
Um, so I don't judge the others, even though some religions say you should, because this is who we are.

01:31:15.002 --> 01:31:18.731
And we definitely have family members who say, if you're not Lutheran, you're not going to heaven.

01:31:18.731 --> 01:31:20.162
I don't believe that.

01:31:20.572 --> 01:31:23.252
And more so, even if you're not Catholic, you're not going to heaven.

01:31:23.622 --> 01:31:27.202
So I, for me, um, but also if you're not Christian, you're not going to heaven.

01:31:27.202 --> 01:31:28.072
And I feel like that's.

01:31:28.832 --> 01:31:30.872
Kind of assuming jobs role, God's role.

01:31:30.902 --> 01:31:31.202
Yeah.

01:31:31.622 --> 01:31:34.082
Uh, in being the decider in some ways.

01:31:34.141 --> 01:31:40.862
I know that's what I'm supposed to say and believe, but I just feel like if I, I, I believe in what I believe.

01:31:40.862 --> 01:31:42.061
I believe in what I've learned.

01:31:42.061 --> 01:31:43.202
I've never questioned it.

01:31:43.591 --> 01:31:44.431
I've looked into it.

01:31:44.431 --> 01:31:46.742
I took all the courses, learned all the other religions.

01:31:46.742 --> 01:31:53.662
So it's not as if I'm turning it off and not listening, but I do, I'm just feel confident in that.

01:31:53.662 --> 01:31:57.771
I was raised in what I, what my family believes in.

01:31:58.511 --> 01:32:00.311
I feel comfortable in it.

01:32:00.452 --> 01:32:02.612
I don't feel the need to go anywhere else.

01:32:02.671 --> 01:32:10.192
I have gone to a lot of the other churches and learned about the other religions and maybe some of it is just comfort and just familiar.

01:32:10.231 --> 01:32:10.582
Curiosity.

01:32:10.942 --> 01:32:11.252
Yeah.

01:32:11.252 --> 01:32:11.652
Whatever.

01:32:11.652 --> 01:32:12.074
Yeah.

01:32:12.074 --> 01:32:12.497
Fair.

01:32:12.497 --> 01:32:12.921
Yeah.

01:32:12.921 --> 01:32:16.181
Um, so yeah, I've just, just, You're happy there.

01:32:16.181 --> 01:32:16.572
This is who we are.

01:32:16.572 --> 01:32:17.452
I haven't questioned it.

01:32:17.452 --> 01:32:17.731
Yeah.

01:32:17.731 --> 01:32:21.221
No reason to really like push that envelope or whatever.

01:32:22.162 --> 01:32:25.782
But also not, I don't like the judging part of religion like we talked about.

01:32:25.782 --> 01:32:32.101
And that's why I say faith, family, politics, not religion because I think of religion as kind of a yucky thing.

01:32:32.761 --> 01:32:33.271
Yeah.

01:32:33.332 --> 01:32:35.622
It's something, I don't like the bad connotation that comes with that.

01:32:35.622 --> 01:32:36.391
Maybe that's why.

01:32:36.402 --> 01:32:36.692
Yeah.

01:32:36.761 --> 01:32:37.072
Yeah.

01:32:37.072 --> 01:32:37.533
Yeah.

01:32:37.533 --> 01:32:37.994
Um.

01:32:37.994 --> 01:32:38.456
Um.

01:32:39.856 --> 01:32:49.936
Um, like one of the things that Christians would bind over is kind of the, I guess, grace over performance are most Christians at least.

01:32:49.947 --> 01:32:52.346
And that was for, for my own faith journey.

01:32:52.346 --> 01:32:59.917
Like I was kind of a cynical, uh, congregational church attendee, but didn't really know the good news, if you will.

01:33:00.707 --> 01:33:10.282
Um, and then like, cause I was always like, it was when the Irish Catholics were bombing the Protestant English back in the day and I was like, well, Why are the Christians bombing each other?

01:33:10.282 --> 01:33:11.072
That seems weird.

01:33:11.752 --> 01:33:14.851
Um, you didn't really have a challenge to that.

01:33:14.851 --> 01:33:17.322
You were just kind of contented.

01:33:17.412 --> 01:33:18.902
Yeah, and I don't know why.

01:33:19.011 --> 01:33:20.162
I can't No, that's awesome.

01:33:20.162 --> 01:33:22.862
I think that's a blessing to not have.

01:33:22.912 --> 01:33:23.341
Yeah.

01:33:23.822 --> 01:33:24.292
That's right.

01:33:24.322 --> 01:33:25.561
And I've known so many people.

01:33:25.591 --> 01:33:28.162
I had dated plenty of men that were raised Catholic.

01:33:28.162 --> 01:33:28.462
My husband.

01:33:29.171 --> 01:33:36.332
Father, raised Catholic, lived with the nuns, like, did the dormitory thing, and had nothing great to say about religion.

01:33:36.771 --> 01:33:42.841
In fact, there is a cemetery in North Dakota with my entire family, from his bloodline, in there.

01:33:43.431 --> 01:33:46.856
Which, His dad was the first one who chose not to be in there.

01:33:46.856 --> 01:33:49.947
I mean, the whole cemetery is foresters.

01:33:50.087 --> 01:33:54.146
Because of how he felt about the Catholic church after his experience.

01:33:54.146 --> 01:33:54.936
That's pretty intense.

01:33:54.936 --> 01:33:55.867
Kind of romantic.

01:33:55.877 --> 01:34:00.327
If we're with all the foresters, even though they could care less about North Dakota.

01:34:00.617 --> 01:34:01.287
It's so weird.

01:34:02.516 --> 01:34:03.457
Well, and that was the weird thing.

01:34:03.476 --> 01:34:07.192
Like when I was growing up in North Dakota, It was mostly Lucernes and Catholics.

01:34:07.212 --> 01:34:07.471
Yeah.

01:34:07.591 --> 01:34:08.261
90%.

01:34:09.391 --> 01:34:10.631
And it was all good.

01:34:10.721 --> 01:34:17.051
Like, there was really no criticism each of the other unless a Catholic girl started dating a Lucerne boy or vice versa.

01:34:18.681 --> 01:34:22.952
And it was so weird that it was like, Yeah, rumble rumble.

01:34:22.952 --> 01:34:23.561
I know.

01:34:23.561 --> 01:34:23.891
Same.

01:34:23.902 --> 01:34:24.162
I know.

01:34:24.192 --> 01:34:24.680
Because we went to prison.

01:34:24.811 --> 01:34:25.412
Private Lutheran school.

01:34:25.412 --> 01:34:27.011
And they were basically the same shit.

01:34:27.141 --> 01:34:28.002
Uh, ish.

01:34:28.131 --> 01:34:29.282
Well, although different.

01:34:29.282 --> 01:34:29.561
Anyway.

01:34:29.832 --> 01:34:30.162
Basically.

01:34:30.231 --> 01:34:30.622
All right.

01:34:30.622 --> 01:34:31.652
We've covered faith enough.

01:34:31.671 --> 01:34:31.942
Okay.

01:34:31.971 --> 01:34:32.921
You want to beat it up anymore?

01:34:32.931 --> 01:34:34.091
Anything you want to more say there?

01:34:35.051 --> 01:34:35.902
Uh, family?

01:34:36.101 --> 01:34:39.341
You want to talk about these little ones you've been producing the last few years?

01:34:40.152 --> 01:34:40.570
Mary, yes.

01:34:40.572 --> 01:34:42.171
Or, you want to talk about your, your sweetie first?

01:34:42.221 --> 01:34:42.591
Ah.

01:34:42.832 --> 01:34:43.712
Where'd you grab him at?

01:34:43.731 --> 01:34:43.981
Yeah.

01:34:43.981 --> 01:34:44.731
Where were you?

01:34:44.731 --> 01:34:46.021
My gosh.

01:34:46.322 --> 01:34:51.051
We were some of the early adopters, that's what you say in software, of um, it was a match.

01:34:51.231 --> 01:34:51.641
com.

01:34:51.671 --> 01:34:52.442
What was it?

01:34:53.261 --> 01:34:53.671
Oh, shoot.

01:34:53.671 --> 01:34:53.801
What?

01:34:53.801 --> 01:34:55.112
It's the one with all the science.

01:34:55.212 --> 01:34:55.662
Harmony.

01:34:55.692 --> 01:34:56.252
E Harmony.

01:34:56.271 --> 01:34:56.712
Harmony.

01:34:56.721 --> 01:34:57.271
Thank you.

01:34:57.332 --> 01:34:57.662
Yeah.

01:34:57.692 --> 01:34:58.021
Yes.

01:34:58.072 --> 01:34:59.351
You're some of the early adopters.

01:34:59.421 --> 01:34:59.731
Okay.

01:34:59.742 --> 01:35:00.181
Harmony.

01:35:00.532 --> 01:35:04.952
And it was his last day on the platform and my first just trying it out.

01:35:04.952 --> 01:35:06.322
I heard a similar story.

01:35:06.322 --> 01:35:06.872
What's his name?

01:35:06.881 --> 01:35:07.152
Yeah.

01:35:07.231 --> 01:35:07.731
Kevin.

01:35:07.782 --> 01:35:08.351
Hi, Kevin.

01:35:09.051 --> 01:35:11.082
I assume you'll be listening to this eventually.

01:35:11.091 --> 01:35:11.832
Hopefully.

01:35:12.282 --> 01:35:12.372
I don't know.

01:35:12.372 --> 01:35:14.350
My wife never listens to mine, but whatever.

01:35:14.351 --> 01:35:14.771
It's fine.

01:35:14.921 --> 01:35:15.221
Get it together.

01:35:15.881 --> 01:35:16.532
Love you, Jill.

01:35:16.652 --> 01:35:23.306
Uh, we, um, We started communication there, but then took it quickly offline.

01:35:23.306 --> 01:35:25.296
And you were like, where were you at the time?

01:35:25.546 --> 01:35:30.306
So I had, um, I had been in Colorado for, I think, two years?

01:35:30.567 --> 01:35:30.657
Okay.

01:35:30.896 --> 01:35:35.327
And ironically, I had just moved out of the apartment I had moved here for.

01:35:35.337 --> 01:35:37.917
Like, you know, sight unseen, and bought my first house.

01:35:37.997 --> 01:35:38.176
Oh.

01:35:38.417 --> 01:35:40.466
And he had moved here.

01:35:40.867 --> 01:35:53.737
After a relationship had just ended, he was a rocket scientist for NASA, left that career, moved back to Colorado, and the apartment complex where I was, I had just moved out of and the next week he was in it.

01:35:53.976 --> 01:35:54.646
Moving in.

01:35:54.716 --> 01:35:55.296
That's funny.

01:35:55.386 --> 01:35:59.466
Shopped at the same grocery store and all that same stuff, but never passed it, never crossed.

01:35:59.476 --> 01:36:02.237
It was just kind of funny, um, in the background.

01:36:02.436 --> 01:36:04.886
Would he have ever hit on me or talked to me in public?

01:36:04.886 --> 01:36:05.186
No.

01:36:05.266 --> 01:36:09.907
He is very much introvert and not, um, in any way the extrovert that I am.

01:36:10.697 --> 01:36:12.317
We connected on eHarmony.

01:36:12.466 --> 01:36:23.457
Fun fact, um, the science behind, uh, a lot of those dating platforms that first initiated, um, is that you, you match people based on their likenesses.

01:36:23.527 --> 01:36:23.856
Yeah.

01:36:24.117 --> 01:36:28.006
eHarmony was based on things that you both dislike.

01:36:28.197 --> 01:36:28.556
Hmm.

01:36:28.636 --> 01:36:31.686
And so, we both Oh, that's way better in some ways.

01:36:32.101 --> 01:36:37.412
Dislike, and, and that's actually the way we can find commonalities with each other even stronger.

01:36:37.761 --> 01:36:45.181
Is that, um, so we both disliked the same types of behaviors or have the same intolerances for things.

01:36:45.231 --> 01:36:45.841
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:36:45.841 --> 01:36:51.542
While one, people would look at us and say, gosh, you guys have like such different interests, nothing in common.

01:36:52.122 --> 01:36:56.082
At the core, we have the same dislikes and for whatever reason it works.

01:36:56.112 --> 01:37:00.502
Well, and the same dislikes is a lot like the same values in a way.

01:37:01.067 --> 01:37:02.787
Apparently, we have it and it worked.

01:37:03.117 --> 01:37:03.457
Yeah.

01:37:03.497 --> 01:37:05.077
Was it just on like Donkey Kong?

01:37:05.087 --> 01:37:05.106
Yeah.

01:37:05.146 --> 01:37:06.046
Like right from the start?

01:37:06.136 --> 01:37:06.886
Easy peasy.

01:37:06.976 --> 01:37:07.726
The entire time.

01:37:07.737 --> 01:37:07.756
Yeah.

01:37:07.787 --> 01:37:10.697
Honestly, like, uh, whatever they did works.

01:37:11.037 --> 01:37:12.806
I am like That shit worked good.

01:37:12.817 --> 01:37:14.926
I even told him like, we should write testimonials.

01:37:15.056 --> 01:37:16.365
We should get the eHarmony t shirt.

01:37:16.367 --> 01:37:16.636
Right.

01:37:16.636 --> 01:37:17.627
We could be on a t shirt.

01:37:17.636 --> 01:37:20.176
He's like, I am not going to be on the ads for eHarmony.

01:37:20.506 --> 01:37:24.306
How long did you guys date before engagement and engagement before marriage?

01:37:24.686 --> 01:37:27.896
Uh, dated for two years before engagement, another year before marriage.

01:37:27.896 --> 01:37:27.966
Okay.

01:37:27.966 --> 01:37:28.247
Yeah.

01:37:28.247 --> 01:37:28.905
Yeah.

01:37:29.087 --> 01:37:31.426
And, uh, who married you?

01:37:31.426 --> 01:37:31.886
Who did you choose?

01:37:32.367 --> 01:37:39.947
Um, so, our pastor wasn't available, um, we picked a Lutheran pastor up in Estes Park because that's where we wanted to be.

01:37:39.947 --> 01:37:45.417
Our first date was in Estes Park, and so someone was willing to do it, but actually the two person for the ceremony.

01:37:45.417 --> 01:37:46.756
The venue was the main thing.

01:37:46.976 --> 01:37:47.476
Venue.

01:37:47.516 --> 01:37:47.796
Yes.

01:37:48.221 --> 01:37:48.242
Yeah.

01:37:48.242 --> 01:37:49.181
And just like the feeling.

01:37:49.181 --> 01:37:49.212
Yeah, yeah.

01:37:49.221 --> 01:37:53.731
We wanted, we wanted our guests to have the little mountain getaway cause everyone came from out of town.

01:37:54.032 --> 01:37:54.051
Yeah.

01:37:54.341 --> 01:38:04.712
And then, um, one of my, my best friends or my, my, the mother of my best friend, um, is a deacon in the, um, Presbyterian church.

01:38:04.811 --> 01:38:10.310
She is the one who actually, um, Yeah.

01:38:10.311 --> 01:38:12.171
I actually got married in a Lutheran church.

01:38:12.292 --> 01:38:12.551
Yeah.

01:38:12.712 --> 01:38:13.002
Yeah.

01:38:13.002 --> 01:38:14.492
The one on Elizabeth.

01:38:15.101 --> 01:38:15.421
Okay.

01:38:15.692 --> 01:38:15.881
St.

01:38:15.881 --> 01:38:16.662
John's Lutheran maybe.

01:38:16.662 --> 01:38:17.372
Oh, okay.

01:38:17.381 --> 01:38:17.652
Yeah.

01:38:17.702 --> 01:38:23.122
They just have gorgeous stained glass and it fit well with our reception at Ptarmigan afterwards.

01:38:23.481 --> 01:38:24.101
Oh, neat.

01:38:24.192 --> 01:38:24.481
Yeah.

01:38:24.481 --> 01:38:27.511
And we weren't really part of a church that had like a good place to get married at the time.

01:38:27.521 --> 01:38:27.542
Yeah.

01:38:27.542 --> 01:38:28.521
So it was like, we were shocked.

01:38:28.561 --> 01:38:33.577
That was actually the funnest part of the wedding planning was like figuring out where we're actually going to get married.

01:38:33.627 --> 01:38:33.947
Yes.

01:38:34.296 --> 01:38:34.877
Can be fun.

01:38:34.877 --> 01:38:35.487
Can be stressful.

01:38:36.176 --> 01:38:44.907
Well, you know, the, the cool thing, um, number 11 on the reasons it's better to be a guy than a gal is a wedding plans.

01:38:44.907 --> 01:38:45.886
Take care of themselves.

01:38:48.226 --> 01:38:49.096
That is a mouthful.

01:38:49.606 --> 01:38:51.856
That's like spot on though.

01:38:51.856 --> 01:38:52.877
Pretty much.

01:38:52.947 --> 01:38:53.216
Yeah.

01:38:53.216 --> 01:38:57.367
As long as she's got a mom that's fully involved, you know, I don't even need to be.

01:38:57.936 --> 01:38:59.377
So Kevin and I are two planners.

01:39:00.431 --> 01:39:12.362
I'll never forget, we sat down at Old Seas in Loveland and had like a beer, yet a meeting about future before he even proposed.

01:39:12.782 --> 01:39:20.921
We sat down and he doesn't remember this when I tell him, we sat down with our little pads of paper, two little nerds writing out, how is this going to work?

01:39:21.471 --> 01:39:24.591
So when we Plus you're like in your little thirties by now, right?

01:39:24.622 --> 01:39:26.582
We are Late twenties maybe?

01:39:26.756 --> 01:39:26.997
Yeah.

01:39:26.997 --> 01:39:28.396
So we got married.

01:39:28.396 --> 01:39:28.596
Yeah.

01:39:28.606 --> 01:39:29.407
We were in our thirties.

01:39:29.476 --> 01:39:30.146
We started dating.

01:39:30.146 --> 01:39:30.476
Yeah.

01:39:30.886 --> 01:39:35.356
Um, so we wrote down how it would play out and who would pay for what.

01:39:35.766 --> 01:39:37.987
And so I was going to sell my town home.

01:39:37.997 --> 01:39:39.827
He had just sold his house in Utah.

01:39:40.426 --> 01:39:42.317
Here's the money that's coming from here.

01:39:42.356 --> 01:39:49.676
What's going to, so I fully funded a very expensive wedding where he took his money he made on his house and paid for the deposit on our current house.

01:39:49.917 --> 01:39:55.546
We bought a house together before we even got married, which was kind of unheard of for our little Christian families.

01:39:55.546 --> 01:39:55.657
Yeah.

01:39:55.657 --> 01:39:55.985
Yeah.

01:39:57.617 --> 01:39:58.806
But it's just how it played out.

01:39:58.806 --> 01:40:00.327
Yeah, it all worked out fine.

01:40:00.827 --> 01:40:09.497
What, uh, why was he inclined to have a second and third date with this, uh, what do you call it?

01:40:09.627 --> 01:40:13.726
Extroverted radio personality person.

01:40:14.917 --> 01:40:16.636
I don't think he had any.

01:40:17.636 --> 01:40:22.786
I don't think he had yet met someone quite like myself, because he was so introvated.

01:40:22.787 --> 01:40:26.997
The gal he was with before we were together was an accountant.

01:40:27.157 --> 01:40:27.896
A yawn factory.

01:40:27.907 --> 01:40:28.386
Straight lit.

01:40:28.957 --> 01:40:29.957
In my opinion.

01:40:29.957 --> 01:40:32.777
And I've only heard stories.

01:40:32.787 --> 01:40:36.806
Basically I blew his mind and he was like, I want more of that.

01:40:37.497 --> 01:40:42.136
That's what his friends and his family say, he will never admit to that.

01:40:42.817 --> 01:40:47.136
I think I am still a bit much for him, but he's along for the ride.

01:40:47.146 --> 01:40:47.686
Right, right.

01:40:47.896 --> 01:40:48.667
He's signing up now.

01:40:48.896 --> 01:40:49.747
He's on the plane.

01:40:49.756 --> 01:40:50.627
Might as well land it.

01:40:50.697 --> 01:40:51.127
Yep.

01:40:51.327 --> 01:40:54.497
Oh, what was the big draw for you for him?

01:40:55.667 --> 01:40:57.127
Something I'd never had before.

01:40:57.846 --> 01:41:04.162
So he is reliable, consistent, If he says he's going to do something, he does.

01:41:04.322 --> 01:41:09.921
He, um, his OCD runs deep, but I, um, he'll never forget.

01:41:09.942 --> 01:41:15.362
I was sitting in an airport once with a good girlfriend of mine where, um, she had this aha moment.

01:41:15.372 --> 01:41:16.612
She just had to share with me.

01:41:17.122 --> 01:41:22.192
And, um, she said, Christine, we've been dating the wrong guys our entire lives.

01:41:22.431 --> 01:41:27.247
Cause I had dated comedians, artists, Musicians.

01:41:28.577 --> 01:41:31.667
All these extroverted, like, interesting people.

01:41:32.186 --> 01:41:33.027
Like, just loud, generalized personalities.

01:41:33.027 --> 01:41:35.466
You were supposed to be that person in the relationship.

01:41:36.056 --> 01:41:40.426
So, um, it was just all these people that were competing with our loud personalities.

01:41:40.436 --> 01:41:40.907
Yeah.

01:41:40.907 --> 01:41:43.604
And she said, we need to date nerds.

01:41:43.604 --> 01:41:49.537
We need to date them because they are the ones who will get her done and they are going to make great husbands.

01:41:49.546 --> 01:41:49.896
Yeah.

01:41:50.157 --> 01:41:52.443
And I was like, wait, I don't see this.

01:41:52.443 --> 01:41:52.686
Yeah.

01:41:52.686 --> 01:41:52.931
Yeah.

01:41:52.931 --> 01:41:53.176
Yeah.

01:41:53.806 --> 01:41:55.157
I've dated football players.

01:41:55.587 --> 01:41:57.516
I've dated famous people.

01:41:57.516 --> 01:41:58.476
What is going on?

01:41:58.787 --> 01:42:02.067
And so then when I met him, I was like, Oh, I get it.

01:42:02.127 --> 01:42:02.806
I get what she's saying.

01:42:03.447 --> 01:42:07.296
Because it's someone who's offering that consistency and just, I'm up here.

01:42:07.306 --> 01:42:08.056
Next Tuesday.

01:42:08.096 --> 01:42:08.606
Floating.

01:42:08.617 --> 01:42:09.667
Here's where I'll be.

01:42:09.707 --> 01:42:10.037
Yes.

01:42:10.037 --> 01:42:11.016
Next Wednesday.

01:42:11.216 --> 01:42:12.296
He's keeping me grounded.

01:42:12.777 --> 01:42:13.207
Yep.

01:42:13.426 --> 01:42:13.837
I dig it.

01:42:13.896 --> 01:42:14.207
Yeah.

01:42:14.247 --> 01:42:14.617
It works.

01:42:14.782 --> 01:42:24.902
Um, I'm going to call a short break again, um, everything I could have done to promote this experience ahead of time to promote what we're doing here.

01:42:25.042 --> 01:42:25.402
Totally.

01:42:25.692 --> 01:42:26.542
Oh my gosh.

01:42:26.681 --> 01:42:32.492
Like I could give you a list of things that we could have done, or I could have done for you to help promote this, just the fact that I'm here.

01:42:32.492 --> 01:42:33.462
Just this one particular conversation.

01:42:33.492 --> 01:42:34.721
Yes, just that we're talking.

01:42:34.731 --> 01:42:35.002
Yeah, yeah.

01:42:35.202 --> 01:42:54.381
Um, because, uh, There are not everyone cares, but some people do I would have been happy to thank you for featuring me Yeah, and after the fact to write when it goes on sure But yeah, there's so many things that I could have done to help Make this even more.

01:42:54.402 --> 01:42:55.903
I'm sorry for that fly.

01:42:55.903 --> 01:43:05.266
That's buzzing around you right now Him and his life if he comes close enough to me Did I get it?

01:43:06.176 --> 01:43:07.256
Looks like you might have got it.

01:43:07.256 --> 01:43:09.275
Did I get it?

01:43:09.277 --> 01:43:10.117
The master of eagles.

01:43:11.806 --> 01:43:13.617
We may not put this part in there.

01:43:13.976 --> 01:43:15.957
Uh, octopus.

01:43:19.957 --> 01:43:31.436
Whatever, uh, the video is playing and I think we're going to start doing like the whole video here soon, too It was kind of beyond our desire for a while But yeah, I've been hearing from Mormon people.

01:43:31.436 --> 01:43:36.976
They just like to watch people interact with each other, you know, and oh my gosh Can I tell you one of my guilty pleasures?

01:43:37.197 --> 01:43:37.447
Sure.

01:43:37.476 --> 01:43:38.256
I don't know where this came.

01:43:38.327 --> 01:43:39.306
Oh, I didn't get him.

01:43:39.327 --> 01:43:40.546
I'm not a ninja Okay.

01:43:40.867 --> 01:43:44.817
Well, I think you got him and then you let him go I'm kind hearted.

01:43:45.117 --> 01:43:45.157
Yeah.

01:43:45.417 --> 01:43:48.817
Uh, one of my guilty pleasures is that I don't know where this came from.

01:43:48.827 --> 01:43:58.756
Again, when chose a degree that didn't require math and have never been interested in anything that required extensive studying, like being a lawyer.

01:43:59.207 --> 01:44:00.646
Now I'm addicted to true crime.

01:44:01.021 --> 01:44:02.681
Cannot help myself.

01:44:03.181 --> 01:44:03.542
Interesting.

01:44:03.551 --> 01:44:07.962
And I'm also, I'm, I never thought I'd get like really into podcasting.

01:44:07.981 --> 01:44:12.391
I like really resisted it for a while because came from radio.

01:44:12.402 --> 01:44:13.742
Radio was my first job.

01:44:13.752 --> 01:44:14.202
Right.

01:44:14.292 --> 01:44:17.032
Loyal, loyal to radio.

01:44:17.402 --> 01:44:21.721
And so, um, it's, it's not, but it hurts the numbers, right?

01:44:21.731 --> 01:44:23.261
So it hurts the numbers that are reported.

01:44:24.027 --> 01:44:26.577
And so, um, I still believe in live radio.

01:44:26.577 --> 01:44:27.436
I still love it.

01:44:27.447 --> 01:44:27.716
I do too.

01:44:27.766 --> 01:44:27.997
Yeah.

01:44:27.997 --> 01:44:28.237
Yeah.

01:44:28.287 --> 01:44:29.176
I listen to a lot of radio.

01:44:29.457 --> 01:44:29.896
Good.

01:44:30.056 --> 01:44:30.537
Thank you.

01:44:30.806 --> 01:44:33.027
But I, but there is one podcaster.

01:44:33.106 --> 01:44:34.587
She's not, she's a YouTuber.

01:44:34.636 --> 01:44:36.006
I can't believe this is me now.

01:44:36.346 --> 01:44:46.936
But I watch her and, um, she does commentary while she's watch, watches, um, court trials and she gives you the information about what's going on in the background.

01:44:47.367 --> 01:44:48.197
She's spicy.

01:44:48.346 --> 01:44:50.016
She sprinkles in swear words.

01:44:50.306 --> 01:44:51.827
And now she's like the number one.

01:44:51.981 --> 01:44:54.962
Podcaster, YouTuber for court trials.

01:44:54.962 --> 01:44:55.582
Oh, interesting.

01:44:55.792 --> 01:44:56.981
I adore her.

01:44:56.992 --> 01:44:57.641
Do you want to shout her out?

01:44:57.952 --> 01:44:59.572
Her name is Emily D Baker.

01:44:59.702 --> 01:45:00.761
What's up Emily D Baker?

01:45:00.761 --> 01:45:01.582
She's great.

01:45:01.582 --> 01:45:03.462
I am a follower.

01:45:03.542 --> 01:45:08.832
I'm a subscriber and I know, and so I'm like, oh gosh, this podcast thing.

01:45:08.832 --> 01:45:12.332
It's catching on, but I'm just a little late to the game.

01:45:12.936 --> 01:45:16.337
I think you would enjoy being a podcast host, actually.

01:45:16.497 --> 01:45:16.947
I think I would.

01:45:17.436 --> 01:45:18.256
I've thought about it.

01:45:18.266 --> 01:45:20.516
Like, I think this is really exciting what you do.

01:45:20.556 --> 01:45:21.317
Yeah, yeah.

01:45:21.317 --> 01:45:21.355
Yeah.

01:45:21.356 --> 01:45:22.777
No, you would, you would like it.

01:45:23.266 --> 01:45:33.676
Um, just because even just among your hundred events a year and the clients around those events and getting a lead on that, but also just like, you've got so much to share.

01:45:33.907 --> 01:45:40.676
And the cool thing about a podcast is if you stick it there, like anybody can listen to it freaking seven years from now.

01:45:40.676 --> 01:45:43.497
And if it was useful to them, it could change their life in some small way.

01:45:43.577 --> 01:45:43.966
Yeah.

01:45:44.377 --> 01:45:49.966
I've listened to a number of event podcasts, really trying to get engaged and see if I can learn something.

01:45:51.171 --> 01:45:56.431
Um, gosh, this is going to sound horrible, but I always, I always leave disappointed.

01:45:56.551 --> 01:45:57.622
I didn't learn anything.

01:45:57.631 --> 01:45:59.061
I could have given better advice.

01:45:59.681 --> 01:46:01.242
I've had more life lessons.

01:46:01.242 --> 01:46:06.051
I feel like I'm a little bit more hardened and, um, a lot of it is just fluff.

01:46:06.051 --> 01:46:08.141
I don't feel like they're, they know what they're doing yet.

01:46:08.761 --> 01:46:11.841
But, um, yeah, I just, well, I don't know what I'm doing either.

01:46:11.952 --> 01:46:18.832
Um, but, but my target is really to invite really interesting, inspiring and entertaining people into the studio.

01:46:19.381 --> 01:46:21.231
And then I think the rest of it kind of takes care of itself.

01:46:21.652 --> 01:46:22.162
I like that.

01:46:22.202 --> 01:46:25.752
And sometimes I fail at that, like mostly in my selection.

01:46:25.981 --> 01:46:26.351
Yeah.

01:46:26.652 --> 01:46:30.992
My preparation is certainly a fail every time, but my selection sometimes fails too.

01:46:30.992 --> 01:46:37.681
And then it actually looks like a, Oh, that's gotta be, oh, when you get people who can't really talk or it's a little bit uncomfortable.

01:46:37.721 --> 01:46:43.301
Yeah, well, we just had one the other day and I won't name names, but my husband, she wrote the next day.

01:46:43.301 --> 01:46:49.082
Like, I didn't really have authority to speak for my employer in this kind of space.

01:46:49.082 --> 01:46:52.962
And, you know, some of the questions were very uncomfortable and blah, blah, blah.

01:46:52.962 --> 01:46:53.311
I'm like.

01:46:54.082 --> 01:47:04.431
So you obviously didn't read the format overview, and you didn't listen to any examples, and you didn't book the appointment with me to ask questions when we were offered it.

01:47:05.202 --> 01:47:09.282
And so thank you for wasting three hours of my time and two hours of my staff time.

01:47:09.881 --> 01:47:11.362
Your time is valuable.

01:47:12.152 --> 01:47:12.992
I think we talked about it before.

01:47:12.992 --> 01:47:13.662
It was so annoying.

01:47:13.662 --> 01:47:14.872
I mean, I was so frustrated.

01:47:15.181 --> 01:47:15.412
Burned.

01:47:15.412 --> 01:47:19.891
And, like, I just, it just taught me a lesson, like, only talk to people that can actually speak freely.

01:47:20.756 --> 01:47:37.301
Don't talk to employee and that's part of why I, you know, I don't know if you, you probably don't believe the same as I do, but I feel like Free speech is under severe attack in our nation, and it's really only the entrepreneurs and the people that have the freedom in some way or another Yeah.

01:47:37.332 --> 01:47:38.872
To speak freely that do.

01:47:39.032 --> 01:47:40.452
It's free limited speech.

01:47:40.572 --> 01:47:41.452
Yeah.

01:47:41.582 --> 01:47:41.801
Yeah.

01:47:41.801 --> 01:47:42.082
Yeah, yeah.

01:47:42.082 --> 01:47:44.771
It's an interesting, we'll get into the politics of it shortly.

01:47:44.851 --> 01:47:45.152
Yeah.

01:47:45.192 --> 01:47:46.542
I want to talk about your children.

01:47:46.662 --> 01:47:47.002
Okay.

01:47:47.341 --> 01:47:49.981
Um, so, how many do you have?

01:47:50.277 --> 01:47:50.837
I have three.

01:47:50.966 --> 01:47:51.277
Three?

01:47:51.287 --> 01:47:51.317
Yes.

01:47:51.317 --> 01:47:53.317
And one kind of older and a couple littles, right?

01:47:53.487 --> 01:47:55.067
I have an eight year old, two five year olds.

01:47:55.237 --> 01:47:55.567
Okay.

01:47:55.587 --> 01:47:55.947
Twins.

01:47:56.426 --> 01:47:56.686
Yep.

01:47:56.817 --> 01:47:58.766
Uh, yeah.

01:47:58.837 --> 01:48:00.096
They're an adventure.

01:48:00.306 --> 01:48:00.907
It is.

01:48:00.966 --> 01:48:01.627
It's a lot.

01:48:01.726 --> 01:48:06.457
So, um, we, we generally do a one word description of the children.

01:48:06.476 --> 01:48:13.667
I don't share this in my format overview because it, Would create too much angst, but, uh, would you like to try for a one word for your eight year old?

01:48:14.077 --> 01:48:16.726
And give him, give him or her a name, too, if you would.

01:48:16.787 --> 01:48:17.096
Sure.

01:48:17.117 --> 01:48:19.106
So Campbell is my nugget.

01:48:19.146 --> 01:48:20.676
He was my nugget before he was born.

01:48:20.686 --> 01:48:21.256
My nugget?

01:48:21.256 --> 01:48:21.537
Yeah.

01:48:21.587 --> 01:48:24.237
And so, um, it was a, a word that was popular.

01:48:24.237 --> 01:48:29.657
I actually can't remember who made it popular, but I was like, Ooh, someday if I get to have kids or I'm going to have a nugget.

01:48:30.077 --> 01:48:35.537
And so the way that I told my husband I was pregnant, I've got a nugget inside me.

01:48:35.587 --> 01:48:35.966
Uh huh.

01:48:36.212 --> 01:48:42.122
I gave him a package of chicken nuggets because we had tried for a very long time, years and years and years.

01:48:42.631 --> 01:48:52.731
And so for, I made dinner, but I gave him nuggets in the little McDonald's container and he opened it and they were cold, but it said nugget coming soon.

01:48:53.082 --> 01:48:58.212
And it took it, it took him a while to like get it, but then he, from there he was our nugget.

01:48:58.582 --> 01:48:58.891
Yeah.

01:48:58.891 --> 01:48:58.961
I got it.

01:48:59.181 --> 01:48:59.731
That's sweet.

01:49:00.341 --> 01:49:04.431
Um, like 10 years or something, maybe five, more than five anyway.

01:49:04.462 --> 01:49:04.681
Yeah.

01:49:04.681 --> 01:49:06.761
It took, I think was a surprise when you told him?

01:49:06.962 --> 01:49:07.421
Yes.

01:49:07.452 --> 01:49:07.782
Yeah.

01:49:07.851 --> 01:49:08.381
Surprise.

01:49:08.402 --> 01:49:18.832
I mean, he knew we were trying and yes, in fact, I think to date at the only fertility clinic we have in Northern Colorado, I think we have the largest file.

01:49:18.886 --> 01:49:19.497
Oh, wow.

01:49:19.497 --> 01:49:20.109
Mm hmm.

01:49:20.109 --> 01:49:20.720
Oh, wow.

01:49:20.720 --> 01:49:22.556
Not a proud stat.

01:49:22.627 --> 01:49:23.096
Yeah, yeah.

01:49:23.117 --> 01:49:24.577
Certainly set us back a bit.

01:49:24.997 --> 01:49:25.817
Uh, Dr.

01:49:25.827 --> 01:49:48.141
what's his name, uh, Jill and I worked with one, too, uh, for a while and we, we had a couple of miscarriages and it was frustrating and sad and then I was in the midst of trying to make more than 15, 000 in a year, you know, I just can't really throw down for this right now and that's part of why we've had so many exchanges.

01:49:48.332 --> 01:49:48.671
Yeah.

01:49:49.042 --> 01:49:49.652
It's a beautiful thing.

01:49:49.681 --> 01:49:53.181
Because that's just a different upper, we call it like short periods of adulting.

01:49:53.471 --> 01:49:53.851
Yes.

01:49:53.862 --> 01:49:55.462
You know, you've got like years and years.

01:49:55.761 --> 01:49:56.992
That is beautiful.

01:49:57.021 --> 01:50:00.282
Now, what, what you have done is beautiful.

01:50:00.631 --> 01:50:00.981
Yes.

01:50:00.992 --> 01:50:01.782
We, we.

01:50:02.577 --> 01:50:04.731
Again, overachiever from the get go.

01:50:04.731 --> 01:50:06.390
Well, you've done it beautiful too.

01:50:06.390 --> 01:50:08.324
But it took a lot of patience.

01:50:08.324 --> 01:50:09.984
Most people don't have that much.

01:50:09.984 --> 01:50:12.817
And even the doctors were like, What is this?

01:50:15.377 --> 01:50:15.567
Interesting.

01:50:16.487 --> 01:50:18.216
Kudos on you for pushing hard.

01:50:18.266 --> 01:50:18.546
Yeah.

01:50:20.396 --> 01:50:20.896
The twins.

01:50:20.936 --> 01:50:21.327
Twins.

01:50:21.697 --> 01:50:22.037
twins?

01:50:22.466 --> 01:50:24.867
So, uh, Sullivan and Sloan.

01:50:25.096 --> 01:50:25.247
Okay.

01:50:25.256 --> 01:50:28.337
And twins, age five, turning six here soon.

01:50:28.716 --> 01:50:29.487
Um, Sloan.

01:50:29.556 --> 01:50:30.337
Identical twins?

01:50:30.346 --> 01:50:30.936
Fraternal twins?

01:50:30.947 --> 01:50:31.216
No.

01:50:31.226 --> 01:50:32.627
Fraternal, because boy and girl.

01:50:32.837 --> 01:50:33.596
Oh, Sloan is a girl.

01:50:33.606 --> 01:50:34.447
Yep, Sloan girl.

01:50:34.837 --> 01:50:35.407
Um, yeah.

01:50:35.606 --> 01:50:36.667
Or Sullivan could be a girl too, I suppose.

01:50:36.707 --> 01:50:40.867
Actually, all of them have last names as first names, which I've always loved.

01:50:40.867 --> 01:50:41.386
I love that.

01:50:41.457 --> 01:50:42.837
And they have nick well, nicknames.

01:50:42.987 --> 01:50:51.317
Kind of nicknames, but they're all, um, Irish and Scottish, even though we aren't, that is not our genetic makeup, but I've always loved those names.

01:50:51.377 --> 01:50:54.837
And, um, their names just describe them so well.

01:50:54.846 --> 01:51:00.766
We had lots of other colorful things picked out that my husband did not agree to, but I'm happy with their names.

01:51:01.027 --> 01:51:03.567
And Sloane is very spicy.

01:51:03.636 --> 01:51:04.657
She's sassy.

01:51:04.667 --> 01:51:07.806
She is, oh, um, Sloane's one word.

01:51:07.837 --> 01:51:08.636
She's Sloane.

01:51:08.872 --> 01:51:10.591
Sassy, but how about Sullivan?

01:51:10.591 --> 01:51:11.381
What's his one word?

01:51:11.391 --> 01:51:12.072
Oh my gosh.

01:51:12.152 --> 01:51:15.412
He is just Everything.

01:51:15.511 --> 01:51:17.212
I don't, I don't even know that.

01:51:17.221 --> 01:51:19.231
He's the everything bagel of a child.

01:51:19.542 --> 01:51:19.862
Yes.

01:51:20.881 --> 01:51:21.462
Oh my gosh.

01:51:21.692 --> 01:51:24.421
Where is, uh, Sloan is like the spicy sauce.

01:51:24.921 --> 01:51:25.921
Yeah, she's feisty.

01:51:25.981 --> 01:51:27.292
Actually, feisty is her word.

01:51:27.292 --> 01:51:28.002
We say it all the time.

01:51:28.532 --> 01:51:30.902
She is a born leader.

01:51:30.912 --> 01:51:32.652
She has been ever since she came out.

01:51:32.652 --> 01:51:33.061
We knew it.

01:51:33.247 --> 01:51:34.787
I just adore her.

01:51:34.817 --> 01:51:37.396
It's funny because two of the kids look nothing like me.

01:51:37.436 --> 01:51:42.136
Kevin is very, um, he's a redhead, uh, freckly, very, very white.

01:51:42.577 --> 01:51:43.926
And I So you got the super nerd.

01:51:43.936 --> 01:51:47.556
When you targeted a nerd, you were like, I'm all about the nerd now.

01:51:47.556 --> 01:51:48.470
Yeah.

01:51:49.032 --> 01:51:49.502
I'm sorry, Kevin.

01:51:49.502 --> 01:51:49.621
I'm just playing.

01:51:49.622 --> 01:51:50.261
Mega nerd.

01:51:50.822 --> 01:51:51.181
Yes.

01:51:51.322 --> 01:51:53.261
And then Sullivan looks like me.

01:51:53.341 --> 01:51:53.551
Oh.

01:51:53.561 --> 01:51:59.192
And so he actually asked me in the car this morning on the way to school, he said, Mom, why do we have big cheeks?

01:52:01.082 --> 01:52:02.271
They make us extra cute.

01:52:02.412 --> 01:52:02.931
I don't know.

01:52:03.082 --> 01:52:03.641
I don't know.

01:52:05.742 --> 01:52:12.542
Cause Kevin's family is like all thin string bean and I'm just a little bit more curvy and like dimples and yeah, yeah.

01:52:12.572 --> 01:52:13.471
That's Sullivan.

01:52:13.502 --> 01:52:13.652
I love it.

01:52:13.652 --> 01:52:13.921
Yeah.

01:52:14.021 --> 01:52:15.351
He's just my cheeks.

01:52:15.591 --> 01:52:17.452
Do you want to talk about your folks?

01:52:18.327 --> 01:52:26.667
Elsewise in your family, a tree that were impactful to your young lady growing into a awesome woman kind of journey?

01:52:26.756 --> 01:52:30.386
So i'll tell you a story that describes my family in a nutshell.

01:52:30.516 --> 01:52:45.101
Okay Uh, so when I was pregnant with Campbell I had for some reason like some trauma came up and I don't know where it came from still to this day I don't know where it came from and I was I was terrified to give birth in the hospital.

01:52:45.631 --> 01:52:55.520
I was terrified to be naked and feel vulnerable and weak and like, uh, in pain, even though this was your first delivery, first delivery.

01:52:55.521 --> 01:52:57.452
I played sports my entire life.

01:52:57.492 --> 01:53:00.141
I have been in tremendous pain and been in hospitals.

01:53:00.671 --> 01:53:02.442
I was fearful of this kind of pain.

01:53:02.551 --> 01:53:03.282
I don't know why.

01:53:03.801 --> 01:53:08.021
So something came up and someone said, yeah, maybe get some therapy for this.

01:53:08.021 --> 01:53:09.202
It's coming.

01:53:10.242 --> 01:53:10.471
Right.

01:53:10.471 --> 01:53:11.141
It's going to happen.

01:53:11.152 --> 01:53:11.421
Yes.

01:53:11.431 --> 01:53:11.645
It's coming.

01:53:11.737 --> 01:53:14.527
Went to a therapist who specialized in EMDR.

01:53:14.806 --> 01:53:21.646
That's where you do some like, uh, tapping and trying to figure out where stuff came from and try to desensitize yourself.

01:53:22.601 --> 01:53:29.971
In that session, here I am two months from delivery, she says, I'm sensing that you have some childhood trauma.

01:53:30.021 --> 01:53:31.601
Let's talk about your parents.

01:53:31.981 --> 01:53:35.332
And I said, lady, we don't have that kind of time.

01:53:35.421 --> 01:53:37.112
I have a baby coming in two months.

01:53:37.131 --> 01:53:40.212
Let's cut to the chase because she wanted to go back in time.

01:53:40.212 --> 01:53:43.181
And this was going to be like a very long session.

01:53:43.212 --> 01:53:43.442
Yes.

01:53:43.926 --> 01:53:49.327
So, I mean, and you had felt some stuff maybe around, like, faith and restrictions around that and stuff?

01:53:49.327 --> 01:53:50.436
No, not around religion.

01:53:50.627 --> 01:53:54.796
I think maybe just around, like, conflict in the home or difference of opinions.

01:53:55.037 --> 01:53:55.237
Okay.

01:53:55.237 --> 01:53:57.386
I feel like I'm, I've never.

01:53:57.386 --> 01:54:04.707
You were kind of a pushy young person and, not pushy, but willing to express your thoughts.

01:54:04.737 --> 01:54:04.877
Yeah.

01:54:05.046 --> 01:54:08.266
I felt like I was very different than who I was raised by.

01:54:08.587 --> 01:54:09.497
And not a bad thing.

01:54:09.506 --> 01:54:10.306
I love my parents.

01:54:10.317 --> 01:54:10.947
My parents are great.

01:54:10.997 --> 01:54:11.216
Sure.

01:54:11.216 --> 01:54:11.646
Still alive.

01:54:11.646 --> 01:54:11.786
Still alive.

01:54:11.787 --> 01:54:12.527
Awesome people.

01:54:12.766 --> 01:54:13.610
But I feel like I'm just different.

01:54:14.601 --> 01:54:15.712
And had a hard time being different.

01:54:15.752 --> 01:54:26.421
My dad has no ability to understand why 90 some people would be members of loco think tank and pay me every month to put these little group things together and whatever and why the hell I would do a podcast.

01:54:26.502 --> 01:54:26.782
Yeah.

01:54:26.782 --> 01:54:29.582
That's even farther outside the norm, but, but yeah.

01:54:29.962 --> 01:54:33.782
There's no, I've had to just say they are who they are.

01:54:33.881 --> 01:54:37.192
They believe what they believe and I'm okay with who I turned out to be.

01:54:37.641 --> 01:54:39.492
So I would say that.

01:54:39.716 --> 01:54:41.777
Uh, that like summarizes everything.

01:54:41.777 --> 01:54:49.266
Yeah, yeah, that experience of that is, I assume you kind of dumped that out eventually or a little bit at least.

01:54:49.266 --> 01:54:50.636
Yeah, I'm, I'm honestly.

01:54:50.846 --> 01:54:51.817
You seem like you're way past it.

01:54:52.207 --> 01:54:53.686
I, I always have been.

01:54:53.926 --> 01:54:57.447
Both of my parents have this really cool entrepreneurial spirit.

01:54:57.756 --> 01:55:09.481
And, um, my dad gave me my very first book about entrepreneurship, called Startup Nation about two guys in Detroit and how they like give advice on starting your own business.

01:55:09.771 --> 01:55:22.641
I read it cover to cover and, um, my dad has been his own small business owner, my mom and her, also herself, but just kind of happened across it just like, these are our talents, we're going to figure out how to make money on them.

01:55:22.652 --> 01:55:23.221
Really cool.

01:55:23.481 --> 01:55:24.261
My sister too.

01:55:24.862 --> 01:55:39.287
And so I thought, I got that from them and I appreciate it, but a lot of the other stuff that comes from their genetic, maybe their upbringings, I don't necessarily agree with, but I think that's most of us just like, and it just, the way it was isn't how I'm choosing to raise my children.

01:55:39.287 --> 01:55:40.817
So let's agree to disagree.

01:55:40.896 --> 01:55:51.811
And And And Like, I think it's honoring that you're still, um, comfortable in the faith of your family and stuff, although less, uh, convicted, if you will.

01:55:51.902 --> 01:55:54.931
Like, I think it's a prison if you get it too much, right?

01:55:55.381 --> 01:55:56.601
For me, it's not black and white.

01:55:56.671 --> 01:56:01.060
I feel like there's a lot of gray, and I think that gray is just, I choose to love.

01:56:01.061 --> 01:56:11.712
And so, I don't want to be I don't want to be, um, defined by any one belief that's of one religion.

01:56:11.841 --> 01:56:21.442
I feel like if we all just agree that to love everyone and try to understand them, and if you don't understand and appreciate that we have differences, we could all get along much better.

01:56:21.481 --> 01:56:22.532
It's a tough thing to do.

01:56:22.542 --> 01:56:37.606
Well, I mean, Jesus had that pretty famous line where, you know, he's pressed into a corner, which of the the Ten Commandments is most important, you know, love your neighbor as yourself and love the love the Lord your God above everybody else.

01:56:37.657 --> 01:56:37.997
Yeah.

01:56:38.606 --> 01:56:47.492
I mean, And it doesn't, you don't have to, like, define that God necessarily in such a structured way as many faiths choose to do.

01:56:47.862 --> 01:56:49.471
That's what I can certainly love your neighbor.

01:56:49.481 --> 01:56:49.801
Yeah.

01:56:50.061 --> 01:56:50.721
That's easy.

01:56:50.761 --> 01:56:51.091
Yeah.

01:56:51.131 --> 01:56:52.221
I mean, that's not always easy.

01:56:52.731 --> 01:56:53.311
It isn't.

01:56:53.372 --> 01:56:53.702
Yeah.

01:56:53.731 --> 01:56:58.952
I can choose not to love my neighbor who is a convicted sex offender.

01:57:00.381 --> 01:57:05.742
I don't harass him, I don't treat him poorly, I don't kick his dog when he walks by.

01:57:06.442 --> 01:57:10.452
We just know that's not the neighbor that we invite over for New Year's Eve.

01:57:10.551 --> 01:57:13.891
And neither do the children ever linger in front of his place.

01:57:13.902 --> 01:57:14.752
Not our buddy.

01:57:14.921 --> 01:57:15.601
Not our buddy.

01:57:15.801 --> 01:57:16.072
Yep.

01:57:16.591 --> 01:57:17.332
Um.

01:57:17.881 --> 01:57:20.481
So faith and family, we've kind of covered politics.

01:57:20.521 --> 01:57:22.891
We are, this is your hot one, Kurt.

01:57:22.921 --> 01:57:24.171
We are T minus.

01:57:24.181 --> 01:57:25.091
What is this today?

01:57:25.091 --> 01:57:28.952
Today is like the 18th or something of September.

01:57:28.952 --> 01:57:33.412
So we're six weeks away from the world either ending.

01:57:33.681 --> 01:57:40.492
Because Kamala was elected, or Trump was elected, but the world will end regardless, according to the other party.

01:57:40.671 --> 01:57:43.841
I'm really not looking forward to the next day.

01:57:44.421 --> 01:57:45.572
Honestly, I Right?

01:57:45.582 --> 01:57:47.881
Just, the turmoil.

01:57:48.051 --> 01:57:51.122
There's gonna be a high level of freakout the next day.

01:57:51.122 --> 01:57:53.051
Just when we thought it was bad, it's worse.

01:57:53.726 --> 01:57:53.936
Yeah.

01:57:55.046 --> 01:57:55.256
Yeah.

01:57:55.317 --> 01:58:05.697
Because I remember, I remember very distinctly writing in my son Campbell's baby book, um, just things that were going on in the world and like, you'll never believe this happened.

01:58:05.707 --> 01:58:12.337
You know, at this time, man, there was this crazy guy who was on TV, was actually like put on the ballot for the presidential election.

01:58:12.377 --> 01:58:13.247
Oh, that'll never happen.

01:58:13.256 --> 01:58:14.037
And he won.

01:58:14.957 --> 01:58:25.912
And so, so when you have kids, you can actually, you You can write the White House and actually, actually send them, ask them to send, it's an acknowledgement of the baby's birth and they do for every baby if you write them.

01:58:27.171 --> 01:58:30.782
So President Trump welcomed Campbell to this world.

01:58:30.801 --> 01:58:34.421
I'm like, we just missed the timeline.

01:58:35.532 --> 01:58:38.341
But it was, I couldn't believe it was actually happening.

01:58:38.351 --> 01:58:40.612
There's so much that I can't believe is actually happening.

01:58:40.612 --> 01:58:44.341
It almost feels like I'm living in another world with all of it.

01:58:44.372 --> 01:58:45.037
And I'm not.

01:58:45.296 --> 01:58:54.077
I'm not super, um, impassioned about politics, as I know many people in fact Like you couldn't believe it was happening as a negative thing, or as a positive thing, or as an indifferent thing?

01:58:54.277 --> 01:59:08.197
I am just, um It was shocking to me too, I don't, if you've read it in my blogs, I've, uh, observed that You know, Bill Clinton basically talked Donald Trump into running for president because he was pretty sure his wife could beat that guy.

01:59:08.207 --> 01:59:09.367
I remember we talked about that.

01:59:09.787 --> 01:59:10.377
Did we really?

01:59:10.377 --> 01:59:11.277
Yes, we did.

01:59:11.277 --> 01:59:11.676
We did.

01:59:11.686 --> 01:59:18.886
And I, um, I have, I, I've always felt like there are, there are people and there are politics.

01:59:19.127 --> 01:59:25.796
As a person, I don't know that I've liked many of the people we've had in recent years.

01:59:25.817 --> 01:59:37.136
Um, I am, I'm more, I vote based on issues locally, so I care about what's affecting me in my local community and those that I, I feel like I have more of a power over.

01:59:37.176 --> 01:59:41.827
I believe in voting in general because I, I know a lot of people who feel like my vote doesn't matter.

01:59:42.817 --> 01:59:47.377
Um, I, I know that that's a sentiment because it's just so polarizing.

01:59:47.377 --> 01:59:49.817
Many people don't even want to be involved.

01:59:50.186 --> 01:59:50.296
I'd rather not.

01:59:50.697 --> 01:59:51.896
I don't want to mark it.

01:59:51.896 --> 01:59:52.707
Chalk on the stick.

01:59:52.756 --> 01:59:53.117
Yeah.

01:59:53.117 --> 01:59:53.213
Yeah.

01:59:53.213 --> 01:59:53.311
Yeah.

01:59:53.311 --> 02:00:00.162
I feel like, uh, my history or just my folks who I interact with, I have a lot of folks on both sides.

02:00:00.252 --> 02:00:00.582
Sure.

02:00:00.582 --> 02:00:02.171
Most, most of my.

02:00:02.221 --> 02:00:05.202
I mean, non profit leaders are by and large Democrats.

02:00:05.502 --> 02:00:05.862
Yeah.

02:00:06.002 --> 02:00:06.822
I think.

02:00:06.822 --> 02:00:07.471
For what it's worth.

02:00:07.521 --> 02:00:14.641
I think most everyone in my circle, those who are, I'm close with, are, um, very compassionate.

02:00:14.662 --> 02:00:17.492
I would say probably are Democratic, but we don't talk about it.

02:00:17.521 --> 02:00:17.721
Yeah.

02:00:18.101 --> 02:00:18.721
I'm a Democrat.

02:00:18.801 --> 02:00:19.862
I'm, uh, independent.

02:00:19.862 --> 02:00:19.936
I'm independent.

02:00:20.657 --> 02:00:25.546
And so I've always felt more like, uh, I care more about what the person does rather than what the person says.

02:00:25.636 --> 02:00:25.886
Yeah, yeah.

02:00:26.296 --> 02:00:31.266
I pay attention, but I also don't listen to it every day because I will drive myself crazy.

02:00:31.386 --> 02:00:31.726
Yeah, yeah.

02:00:31.726 --> 02:00:34.386
It will be the only thing I think about and it will drive me crazy.

02:00:34.726 --> 02:00:38.197
What are your Do you want to talk about your politics personally?

02:00:38.197 --> 02:00:40.247
Like the things that are actually important to you?

02:00:40.247 --> 02:00:53.377
I mean, we've got these wedge issues like abortion and I don't know what else is a wedge issue anymore, but like just the size of government, like how much federal government should be involved versus state and local, things like that.

02:00:54.157 --> 02:01:03.072
Well, I think where I live right now, because I live in Loveland, um, It's tough not to see that politics are really, really uncomfortable.

02:01:03.131 --> 02:01:03.192
Yeah.

02:01:03.317 --> 02:01:03.516
Yeah.

02:01:03.671 --> 02:01:05.712
And I'm a commissioner for the city.

02:01:05.737 --> 02:01:06.077
Oh, you are?

02:01:06.077 --> 02:01:07.301
So I have to be careful with what I say.

02:01:07.452 --> 02:01:07.601
Okay.

02:01:07.782 --> 02:01:11.237
Um, because, and, and my job, I'm not a, um, a commissioner.

02:01:11.377 --> 02:01:14.082
I'm not a, it's not like city council, but not city council.

02:01:14.112 --> 02:01:15.311
I'm not a county commissioner.

02:01:15.311 --> 02:01:17.202
I'm a commissioner that serves on a board.

02:01:17.442 --> 02:01:17.532
Okay.

02:01:17.591 --> 02:01:20.582
So I volunteer my expertise towards the city.

02:01:20.582 --> 02:01:26.011
I make, um, I advise based on, uh, funding and decisions that we take to city council for final approval.

02:01:26.671 --> 02:01:26.702
Okay.

02:01:26.777 --> 02:01:28.386
Those that have expertise in one area.

02:01:28.386 --> 02:01:29.016
So it could be.

02:01:29.037 --> 02:01:29.346
Right.

02:01:29.617 --> 02:01:29.886
Airport.

02:01:29.886 --> 02:01:34.606
You're trying to gather the right opinions and views to actually inform the council.

02:01:34.617 --> 02:01:34.867
Yep.

02:01:34.877 --> 02:01:43.747
So the experts inform the experts, inform that figureheads that inform the council or report to the council council approves or doesn't approve.

02:01:44.386 --> 02:01:44.686
Yeah.

02:01:44.777 --> 02:01:46.527
So as a commissioner.

02:01:46.877 --> 02:01:59.667
Um, I feel like I, I don't, I can't broadcast an opinion one way or another, but um, I do make, I'm more involved or more in the know about what's going on in the city because I listen.

02:01:59.837 --> 02:02:05.487
I watch the city council meetings and I, um, sit on a commission where we get reports from the city council.

02:02:05.487 --> 02:02:06.317
So we know what's going on.

02:02:06.317 --> 02:02:12.636
Um, It is such a hot mess right now that it's easy to get distracted by that.

02:02:12.657 --> 02:02:15.596
And it's a welcome distraction from national politics, right?

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So I do listen to, and because I have littles, I choose not to have it on in the car because it is death.

02:02:22.792 --> 02:02:25.511
And it is just, it's sad.

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It's so much anger.

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Oh my gosh.

02:02:27.622 --> 02:02:27.962
Yeah.

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And so what I, um, I don't know if anyone has Alexa who's listening, but I, that's the device we have in our kitchen, um, before the kids wake up, I will say, um, play my newsfeed.

02:02:38.481 --> 02:02:47.061
And so what I have scheduled on my newsfeed are a variation of all the different newses so that I can get a variety of what their version of what the top stories are.

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Sure.

02:02:47.391 --> 02:02:47.587
Sure.

02:02:47.966 --> 02:02:53.846
And that is all I get when I get NPR 5 minutes and the Daily Wire 7 minutes and whatever else.

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It's a sprinkling so that I can feel like I'm being objective on whatever they feel they're being objective on.

02:03:01.436 --> 02:03:02.707
And that's how I get my news.

02:03:02.766 --> 02:03:04.356
Now, everyone gets it different ways.

02:03:04.577 --> 02:03:07.346
Facebook is not the way I get my news.

02:03:07.356 --> 02:03:07.777
Right.

02:03:07.867 --> 02:03:14.426
I've intentionally, anytime I see something that's political come up, blocked it because I can't trust that it's authentic.

02:03:14.476 --> 02:03:15.957
Well, you don't want it to necessarily be.

02:03:16.436 --> 02:03:19.296
pollute the way you receive information in the future.

02:03:19.337 --> 02:03:19.596
Yeah.

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Yeah.

02:03:20.346 --> 02:03:26.806
One of my, uh, most recent podcast guests earlier, no, last week about this time was, uh, Ben Asti.

02:03:27.537 --> 02:03:30.617
Uh, he, uh, I'll stay us.

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I don't forget.

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It's a Frenchie name.

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Anyway, uncle Benny, right?

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He's running for county commissioner.

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And, uh, we were talking about it and fricking county commissioners make a buck 50 now.

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And, uh, so they are everywhere.

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When, so this is the beginning.

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If you, if you're still listening, John Cofalas, um, I'm running for your spot.

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If I get your endorsement, I will win, um, because I'm kind of a crazy libertarian, not really Republican, but John likes me.

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And I think I could add value because of my economics background and stuff.

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So that's, that's my promise to my future voters here in Lerner County is that if, if I can get John Cofalas's endorsement, I will run for Lerner County commissioner in 2026.

02:04:15.237 --> 02:04:16.216
I love everything about this.

02:04:16.631 --> 02:04:17.591
John is amazing.

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He attends I like him a lot.

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We do a lot of He's been on the show.

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Yeah.

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We, I, I saw that.

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We've, we've, uh, we, we plan a lot of non profit events and he comes to nearly all of them.

02:04:27.905 --> 02:04:28.867
He comes to so many.

02:04:28.867 --> 02:04:30.481
And all the commissioners do.

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I mean, I don't know when they're ever home.

02:04:33.351 --> 02:04:33.662
Yeah.

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It's a big commitment.

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I see John a lot of places.

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I don't see the others very often, personally, but Wow.

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They tried to He's the, he's the tallest, uh, the tallest midget.

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I'm just kidding.

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Oh no, that's, I'm wrong, I'm just, John, I'm just kidding.

02:04:48.707 --> 02:04:56.926
We talked about that in my podcast with him about what it was like to be, cause I was five foot one until I was 10th grade, 11th grade.

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Yeah.

02:04:58.377 --> 02:04:59.697
And then I like ended up at six two.

02:05:00.016 --> 02:05:05.636
And so we talked about kind of that notion of being like, Oh, cause he's like five, three, five, four, five, five.

02:05:05.636 --> 02:05:05.707
I don't know.

02:05:05.877 --> 02:05:07.027
He's, he's a really small man.

02:05:07.636 --> 02:05:13.966
He's way less than five, six, uh, and just anyway, he was such an honest commentator on that.

02:05:13.976 --> 02:05:16.457
Like I just respect him and appreciate him so much.

02:05:16.537 --> 02:05:16.957
Yeah.

02:05:17.146 --> 02:05:18.917
He is amazing.

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I don't know anyone who doesn't love him, but barely to be that person, to be so adored and so, um, That is the kind of high integrity kind of person he is.

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And even if I disagree, like some of our things, we disagree on what the right policy would be or the regulation or whatever.

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But I always have trusted that his heart was in the right place.

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Yes.

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I think, I think to, to me.

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Knowing that I have a political influence, I've known, I'm known as a neutral party.

02:05:48.761 --> 02:05:53.851
I'm really open minded and try to be as helpful as possible in all things.

02:05:54.332 --> 02:06:01.042
Um, if I could have that credibility, if I could earn that and be that respected, that would be.

02:06:01.341 --> 02:06:02.502
The right seat for me.

02:06:02.761 --> 02:06:06.442
I have joined, join me at the county commissioner's office.

02:06:06.442 --> 02:06:13.351
Uh, maybe in 2028 I'm going to wait until my kids are a little bit older than yes.

02:06:13.351 --> 02:06:17.851
Uh, have we covered enough politics for your preferences?

02:06:17.862 --> 02:06:18.271
Sure.

02:06:18.631 --> 02:06:19.421
More than enough.

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All right.

02:06:22.122 --> 02:06:23.356
Um, I'm going to give you two minutes.

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Two loco experiences, and if one of them is amazing, I'll give you a third.

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But you said you've got a lot of crazy stories that you could share.

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I have a lot.

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So, I'll give you a little teaser, and you can say which ones sound interesting to you.

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Alright.

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Okay.

02:06:40.766 --> 02:06:43.421
Crazy things that have happened in my lifetime that people won't believe.

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Wine I had I had to think hard on these so I'm a Guinness Book World Record Holder, which I think is kind of fun.

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We gonna pour the rest of this in because it's I love that you host exchange students.

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I did as well.

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My family did when I was in high school, but we actually When things were all crazy hadn't a pair living in our house Who kissed a boy, had sex for the first time and drove a car for the first time while she was in our household.

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And it all went very badly.

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I nearly actually didn't live or have kids.

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I found out the day that I was, um, going to deliver our son, Campbell, who's eight now.

02:07:33.442 --> 02:07:38.332
That I probably wasn't going to survive the delivery and had to decide what I was going to do.

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I was on a date when I was, this was when I was 25.

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I was dating.

02:07:47.087 --> 02:07:57.367
Drugged, abused and held hostage in my own apartment, which is, this is probably not a family friendly story, but, well, we don't, we marked every episode explicit anyway.

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Yeah, that one is very explicit.

02:07:59.317 --> 02:07:59.921
Um, wow.

02:08:00.506 --> 02:08:05.037
I was an RA in college, which, you know, is not surprising'cause of my leadership.

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Um, I was an RA and I.

02:08:07.917 --> 02:08:17.987
I had to deal with a suite mate that was disabled but wasn't qualified as such, um, and was sent to college while her parents were going through a divorce.

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So I was her babysitter while I was in charge of students across from me that were Muslim, African American, Hispanic, and a serial sex offender, all in a suite together.

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And then my favorite story.

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is, um, my Vegas cab ride story.

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But I can't even tell you anything about it unless you choose it! Oh, shoot.

02:08:44.667 --> 02:08:45.386
It's been a life.

02:08:45.407 --> 02:08:47.716
I've been told I should write a book, but I don't have the time.

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You're one of the first people that came with, like, a book of crazy experiences.

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So many crazy things.

02:08:53.997 --> 02:09:01.896
I've told people before that I've got, like, 10 crazy experiences that would be in the top 20 of my 200 episodes here.

02:09:01.896 --> 02:09:04.176
So, uh, but it's not about me.

02:09:04.617 --> 02:09:06.777
Um, I do want to hear about them though.

02:09:06.796 --> 02:09:08.197
Will you tell me one at the end?

02:09:09.587 --> 02:09:11.676
You said you wanted to ask me a couple of questions.

02:09:11.686 --> 02:09:14.186
Yeah, because um, do you want to do that before the loco experience?

02:09:14.186 --> 02:09:14.667
Let's do it.

02:09:14.667 --> 02:09:15.317
Let's do it.

02:09:15.337 --> 02:09:15.546
Okay.

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All right.

02:09:16.027 --> 02:09:16.367
Okay.

02:09:16.596 --> 02:09:18.697
So I mean it shouldn't be about the loco.

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I love, no, no.

02:09:21.067 --> 02:09:26.037
So I honestly I think I My biggest enjoyment in life is learning from others.

02:09:26.037 --> 02:09:33.067
I think and many other entrepreneurs are very successful people in life say Don't you're not the smartest person in the room.

02:09:33.067 --> 02:09:35.117
You surround yourself with the smartest people in the room.

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And, um, I don't know that I've ever done that intentionally, but I know that I just feel fulfilled and I learn more if I learn from others.

02:09:44.936 --> 02:09:48.447
And so many of the things I've learned in life, I didn't learn firsthand.

02:09:48.476 --> 02:09:51.987
I heard someone else's experience and I said, Ooh, don't want to do that.

02:09:52.567 --> 02:09:53.596
So I, but.

02:09:53.952 --> 02:09:55.152
But that's not what I want to ask you.

02:09:55.181 --> 02:10:04.851
I'm so curious who you think the right fit is for someone who's kind of curious about what you do and what, what could I do with my business or where could I go?

02:10:05.061 --> 02:10:06.072
Am I a good fit?

02:10:06.112 --> 02:10:09.421
Is where I'm at in life some, uh, a good collaborator?

02:10:09.481 --> 02:10:11.271
Would I be of benefit to others?

02:10:11.521 --> 02:10:14.921
Oh, like would you be qualified to local think tank membership?

02:10:14.962 --> 02:10:15.412
Yeah.

02:10:15.631 --> 02:10:16.551
A hundred percent.

02:10:18.806 --> 02:10:26.226
Your skill set would bring a lot of value to others first and foremost.

02:10:26.457 --> 02:10:33.587
Um, so that's what I'm looking for first and foremost is like, who can I bring in that would make the community stronger?

02:10:34.046 --> 02:10:37.766
You know, and so they, they need to have enthusiasm.

02:10:37.796 --> 02:10:39.966
They need to be thinkers.

02:10:39.966 --> 02:10:42.377
They need to be focused on what they can do.

02:10:42.396 --> 02:10:45.027
And in your case, you've got all this experience in.

02:10:45.676 --> 02:10:52.796
Broadcasting, advertising, marketing, event planning, all these things that other business leaders need to know more about.

02:10:53.497 --> 02:10:55.917
And, sorry.

02:10:55.917 --> 02:10:57.922
Can you hear it in the microphone?

02:10:57.922 --> 02:10:59.930
Yeah, yeah, he landed right on there.

02:10:59.930 --> 02:11:01.837
You get him, get him with your chopsticks.

02:11:05.837 --> 02:11:06.216
I don't know.

02:11:06.256 --> 02:11:07.697
We haven't had flies in here before.

02:11:07.697 --> 02:11:08.466
Did you bring them in?

02:11:08.516 --> 02:11:08.787
I don't know.

02:11:09.546 --> 02:11:11.447
I live by a farm.

02:11:11.516 --> 02:11:13.787
It's possible he rode with me on the way here.

02:11:14.827 --> 02:11:15.817
I'm pretty sure not.

02:11:16.396 --> 02:11:21.346
Um, so yes, I mean, first and foremost, we'd find a good place for you.

02:11:21.346 --> 02:11:27.926
And we'd have a longer talk about where that might be because that's part of my, I call myself the mixologist.

02:11:29.122 --> 02:11:38.912
So, I'm not only trying to figure out what chapters need what skills, but who's gonna jive personality wise with what chapters and things like that.

02:11:39.381 --> 02:11:45.462
And everybody, you know, it's kind of like Jesus said, if a man doesn't work, he should not eat.

02:11:45.752 --> 02:11:46.202
Yeah.

02:11:46.412 --> 02:11:46.992
Or whatever.

02:11:47.216 --> 02:11:51.207
Well, every member of Loco Think Tank needs to carry some water.

02:11:51.266 --> 02:11:56.356
Like they need to have something that they bring to the conversation that's beneficial to everybody else in the room.

02:11:56.556 --> 02:11:56.806
Yeah.

02:11:57.087 --> 02:12:01.476
And they need to have enough humility to know that they're not the smartest person in the room.

02:12:01.567 --> 02:12:03.197
At least not at every topic.

02:12:03.396 --> 02:12:03.777
Yeah.

02:12:03.926 --> 02:12:15.106
Um, and so, like I just complimented Alma earlier today that her combination of confidence and humility is like right in line, and so is yours, with Yeah.

02:12:15.537 --> 02:12:21.646
Our culture, like you have to be both confident and humble to really be a great leader over time.

02:12:21.646 --> 02:12:22.497
Ooh, I like that.

02:12:22.886 --> 02:12:25.037
That's so important and not found everywhere.

02:12:25.317 --> 02:12:32.296
Um, gosh, I've been a part of so many different networking groups where you're like, uh, it's this, why are we here?

02:12:32.327 --> 02:12:33.327
What am I going to get out of this?

02:12:33.346 --> 02:12:36.287
If it's just exchanging business cards, like that's, that's not mine.

02:12:36.327 --> 02:12:37.886
I call local the anti BNI.

02:12:38.317 --> 02:12:48.681
Like we ask our, our members not to do significant business with each other because that would be a block to bring Significant challenges to the whole room and processing it.

02:12:49.322 --> 02:13:04.962
So, like, don't hire the, there might be a financial advisor in your group or a marketing agency but you have to clear it with the group before you hire them because it could represent a conflict where you can't bring a hard problem to the group because the person that the conflict is with is in the room.

02:13:06.341 --> 02:13:09.891
And so we're totally kind of on the opposite end of the spectrum.

02:13:10.131 --> 02:13:13.671
It's a safe place, like intentionally curated.

02:13:13.907 --> 02:13:25.606
Um, and you're a co curator, so that's part of our, part of our culture that you would probably appreciate is that, like, if you want, if you said, hey, I want to be a member of Loco Think Tank, where would I fit?

02:13:26.096 --> 02:13:29.476
Well, we'd spend some more time together, I'd talk about the groups, the leaders of the groups.

02:13:30.037 --> 02:13:30.987
There's three of them that, um.

02:13:31.226 --> 02:13:33.606
I think could be candidates and we would talk more about that.

02:13:34.087 --> 02:13:46.726
And then once we found out which one we thought together was like the, probably the best first choice, then I would introduce you to the leader, the facilitator of that group who doesn't own it, you know, but I pay them to deliver the goods.

02:13:47.356 --> 02:13:51.856
And they would meet with you and say here's a little bit more about all of our members because I'm not there.

02:13:51.856 --> 02:13:53.247
I don't, I only know so much.

02:13:54.016 --> 02:13:54.867
What do you bring?

02:13:55.186 --> 02:13:56.277
What's your business like?

02:13:56.386 --> 02:13:57.546
Why would you like this?

02:13:57.546 --> 02:13:58.226
What would you gain?

02:13:58.226 --> 02:13:59.256
What are you hoping to gain?

02:13:59.256 --> 02:14:00.657
What would you, what could you give?

02:14:01.317 --> 02:14:03.596
And if they like you then they can invite you to visit.

02:14:03.657 --> 02:14:04.127
Okay.

02:14:04.247 --> 02:14:07.516
And then step three is everybody that's already paying for membership.

02:14:08.077 --> 02:14:10.877
Gets a veto on this new person.

02:14:10.886 --> 02:14:13.146
So like, I'm not the owner of the group.

02:14:13.146 --> 02:14:14.067
The group owns the group.

02:14:14.747 --> 02:14:18.037
Did I see that the capacity is 12 or that's the ideal number?

02:14:18.037 --> 02:14:20.817
Some are over or some under?

02:14:20.966 --> 02:14:21.796
No, over.

02:14:21.806 --> 02:14:22.207
No, over.

02:14:22.256 --> 02:14:22.497
No.

02:14:22.497 --> 02:14:22.697
Yeah.

02:14:22.697 --> 02:14:26.287
No, I mean, we want everybody to have at least one month where they're the focus.

02:14:26.447 --> 02:14:26.817
Okay.

02:14:27.077 --> 02:14:28.056
There's 12 months in a year.

02:14:28.707 --> 02:14:33.317
Um, and then yes, several are under, we've got probably.

02:14:34.681 --> 02:14:39.042
We've probably got, we got nine groups times 12 is, I don't know, 111.

02:14:39.051 --> 02:14:48.521
We've probably got 20, 25 seats available right now, um, between the various groups, you know, and, and then we'll open new groups where we're a supply constraint.

02:14:48.521 --> 02:15:11.127
So one thing that listeners or you can keep your eye on is if you have amazing business leaders that exit, we usually give them six months to kind of get Scratch their itches, and then they find that they have a, uh, they're not fulfilled by the lack of leadership that they're allowed to give.

02:15:11.877 --> 02:15:16.207
And if it's, if it's women, it's an itch.

02:15:16.306 --> 02:15:17.462
If it's men, it's an itch.

02:15:17.601 --> 02:15:20.292
It's sometimes an itch to get scratched in wrong ways.

02:15:20.292 --> 02:15:25.442
You know, they, they, they, we're just more susceptible sometimes, you know?

02:15:25.442 --> 02:15:29.011
So, you know, you sell your business and then you start golfing a lot.

02:15:29.021 --> 02:15:32.452
And then the 28 year old, the golf course looks really cute.

02:15:32.542 --> 02:15:34.471
And then you're like wreck your marriage.

02:15:34.471 --> 02:15:36.322
And then your kids don't like you anymore.

02:15:36.322 --> 02:15:39.322
Like just give yourself something else hard to do.

02:15:39.322 --> 02:15:41.862
So we try to give these people something.

02:15:42.162 --> 02:15:43.652
That isn't a heavy lift.

02:15:43.671 --> 02:15:46.832
I call it a light yoke that you can carry.

02:15:47.301 --> 02:15:50.572
And then me and Alma and our team, like we do the yucky stuff.

02:15:50.572 --> 02:15:58.131
We do the billing, we do the newsletter, the marketing, we do events and stuff that we don't really know how to do very good, you know.

02:15:58.872 --> 02:16:02.862
But we're going to try to take the yucky stuff off so you can just show up and be a leader.

02:16:02.981 --> 02:16:03.452
Yeah.

02:16:03.561 --> 02:16:04.082
Focus.

02:16:04.162 --> 02:16:04.391
Yeah.

02:16:04.442 --> 02:16:10.192
And have other experienced folks help you focus on what's next.

02:16:10.221 --> 02:16:10.462
Yep.

02:16:10.712 --> 02:16:11.521
I think that's what.

02:16:11.742 --> 02:16:21.421
is lacking for me and so many business owners searching out for this sort of help through networking is that we're, we're made this promise or like, come try us out.

02:16:21.452 --> 02:16:24.801
And it's just do more networking and what's next will happen.

02:16:24.801 --> 02:16:26.011
But what do you really want?

02:16:26.192 --> 02:16:26.641
No.

02:16:26.641 --> 02:16:26.971
Next.

02:16:27.131 --> 02:16:35.561
I've actually been a part of a group who I love and I want to support and I've offered educational sessions and how can I, you know, help instruct others and coach others?

02:16:35.572 --> 02:16:40.322
Cause I'm a little bit older, not brand new, but also I still want to get something out of it.

02:16:40.322 --> 02:16:42.412
I still have to get something out of it.

02:16:42.711 --> 02:16:46.066
And so here I felt like I'm giving more than I'm receiving.

02:16:46.066 --> 02:16:48.797
And that's okay to a certain point.

02:16:48.816 --> 02:16:52.436
But if I'm investing a lot of money, it has to be worth it.

02:16:52.436 --> 02:16:56.207
I have to feel like I'm, I'm really learning from others in this case.

02:16:56.207 --> 02:16:57.057
I wasn't.

02:16:57.527 --> 02:17:02.117
Um, and I'm, I don't know that anything else has fit that.

02:17:02.916 --> 02:17:03.176
Yeah.

02:17:03.197 --> 02:17:21.967
So I'd like that you offer that one thing that you might enjoy in the future, probably when you get things a little bit more sorted, but I think you would find a lot of love in the idea of taking that one, two, three person business and helping them get to become a five, six, seven, eight person business.

02:17:22.037 --> 02:17:22.367
Yeah.

02:17:22.426 --> 02:17:23.867
You know, so that's the facilitator role.

02:17:23.867 --> 02:17:26.016
That's what my landlord Moses Horner does.

02:17:26.377 --> 02:17:27.342
He was a member for like 20 years.

02:17:27.961 --> 02:17:33.811
six or seven years and got really good, got his business pretty dialed.

02:17:34.422 --> 02:17:42.572
And now he gets to like serve this group of trying to take the two, three, four person business and turn it into a six, seven, eight person business.

02:17:42.811 --> 02:17:43.652
That's pretty cool.

02:17:43.871 --> 02:17:44.162
Yeah.

02:17:44.221 --> 02:17:44.602
Yeah.

02:17:44.662 --> 02:17:46.691
There's, there's something that feels really good about that.

02:17:46.721 --> 02:17:51.701
And I've, you know, I've gone to, I've paid tons of money for these major conferences where you're learning something.

02:17:51.701 --> 02:17:56.852
And I, I love all of that, but I feel like as we get, Older, more dialed in with our business.

02:17:56.852 --> 02:17:58.152
You have to be strategic.

02:17:58.391 --> 02:18:00.422
Easier to nudge than we are to.

02:18:01.147 --> 02:18:02.016
Wholesale change.

02:18:02.506 --> 02:18:07.387
Like some of those conferences and stuff are designed to change you from, you know, this to this.

02:18:07.426 --> 02:18:07.906
Yeah.

02:18:08.016 --> 02:18:09.457
And we're just too resistant.

02:18:09.477 --> 02:18:09.916
We're humans.

02:18:09.916 --> 02:18:11.977
I don't want your full program.

02:18:11.977 --> 02:18:19.066
But better to go from here and nudge to here, nudge to here, nudge to here, you know, and just have that pressure to get focused on the right thing.

02:18:19.066 --> 02:18:19.316
Yeah.

02:18:19.367 --> 02:18:20.957
Pointing to where you want to become.

02:18:21.047 --> 02:18:21.316
Yeah.

02:18:21.656 --> 02:18:23.457
So anyway, I hope that answers your question.

02:18:23.477 --> 02:18:24.176
Thank you.

02:18:24.266 --> 02:18:24.727
Yes.

02:18:24.766 --> 02:18:25.096
Yeah.

02:18:25.117 --> 02:18:28.336
I think what you, what you offer is exciting.

02:18:28.547 --> 02:18:36.152
And the way that you deliver it is so humble and Undercover, you're not very loud.

02:18:36.252 --> 02:18:39.441
I've seen you at many networking things and you're just, Hey, I'm Kurt.

02:18:39.492 --> 02:18:40.352
Here's what I do.

02:18:40.662 --> 02:18:48.561
And you, you're not pushy, which I love about sales, you know, here I am trying to sell the color of my panties if you listened earlier.

02:18:49.281 --> 02:18:50.281
to close a contract.

02:18:51.381 --> 02:18:52.662
I didn't, it was not me.

02:18:52.822 --> 02:18:53.662
Oh, what did you do?

02:18:54.621 --> 02:18:55.641
You didn't answer the question.

02:18:55.652 --> 02:18:56.361
One, two or three.

02:18:56.371 --> 02:18:56.902
I didn't.

02:18:57.391 --> 02:19:04.352
Uh, so when he, so this was a text in the middle of the night, post drinking, post signing contract said, what color are they?

02:19:05.242 --> 02:19:05.932
I wrote back.

02:19:05.971 --> 02:19:06.951
Wouldn't you like to know?

02:19:07.332 --> 02:19:08.561
Oh, that's a good answer.

02:19:08.912 --> 02:19:13.871
And just, that's actually the perfect response, uh, because it wasn't leaving him hanging.

02:19:14.072 --> 02:19:14.301
Yep.

02:19:14.932 --> 02:19:16.531
And it created a little intrigue.

02:19:17.481 --> 02:19:17.932
I don't know.

02:19:18.672 --> 02:19:18.801
Ugh.

02:19:18.902 --> 02:19:19.252
Yuck.

02:19:19.301 --> 02:19:19.752
Gross.

02:19:20.162 --> 02:19:22.711
Um, we'll talk after the, after the microphone's off.

02:19:22.711 --> 02:19:23.961
You can tell me who that was.

02:19:24.291 --> 02:19:25.381
Cause I'm so curious.

02:19:25.381 --> 02:19:26.332
I'm sure I know who it is.

02:19:26.332 --> 02:19:30.481
Um, uh, do you have any more questions for me?

02:19:30.492 --> 02:19:32.902
Or should we just, oh, so I have, I have your, your thing.

02:19:32.902 --> 02:19:36.461
So hostage, Campbell, almost dying.

02:19:37.051 --> 02:19:37.352
R.

02:19:37.352 --> 02:19:38.141
A.

02:19:38.141 --> 02:19:38.912
Crazy stuff.

02:19:39.002 --> 02:19:40.412
And what's the last one right here?

02:19:40.691 --> 02:19:40.842
Vegas.

02:19:40.842 --> 02:19:42.051
You're here for Vegas.

02:19:42.051 --> 02:19:45.481
Oh, that was the one that, I have to choose that.

02:19:45.811 --> 02:19:48.361
If I want to hear the story, Vegas cab ride.

02:19:49.242 --> 02:19:52.451
Um, so I'm going to choose two, right?

02:19:52.481 --> 02:19:54.641
I can choose two if you want, we've got the time.

02:19:54.691 --> 02:19:56.492
So I got the Vegas cab ride.

02:19:56.971 --> 02:20:10.922
And, you know, I guess I want to hear about Campbell, because, like, it would have been really easy, I'm sure, to be like, I want to stay alive for sure, or something, and I, I, I Yeah, okay.

02:20:10.951 --> 02:20:11.721
Yeah, anyway, is that fair?

02:20:11.731 --> 02:20:12.502
I didn't have a choice.

02:20:12.551 --> 02:20:14.762
Yeah, so I didn't actually have a choice.

02:20:14.762 --> 02:20:15.742
Do you want to go there first?

02:20:15.791 --> 02:20:16.201
Sure.

02:20:16.352 --> 02:20:16.621
Okay.

02:20:16.652 --> 02:20:20.961
He had We had not tried for a while thinking, if it happens, it happens.

02:20:21.361 --> 02:20:25.871
We were so incredibly happy as adults, traveling the world, doing all this stuff.

02:20:25.932 --> 02:20:26.822
Super fun stuff.

02:20:26.822 --> 02:20:28.221
He's a rocket scientist.

02:20:28.221 --> 02:20:30.141
You're like, whatever.

02:20:30.172 --> 02:20:30.871
Don't need kids.

02:20:31.162 --> 02:20:32.031
We're fine without them.

02:20:32.041 --> 02:20:34.131
But then we're like, oh, if it happens, it happens.

02:20:34.502 --> 02:20:36.621
Well, then it didn't happen and they're all sudden.

02:20:36.641 --> 02:20:38.252
Well, why is it not happening?

02:20:38.262 --> 02:20:38.572
Right?

02:20:38.641 --> 02:20:45.922
Let's try and we come from these families with all these kids 27 first cousins like it feels weird.

02:20:45.922 --> 02:20:58.807
I should have this huge family so then we started trying and panicking about it that we couldn't get pregnant and So we finally did And I was pregnant with, um, Campbell, didn't know what I was having, what I was having.

02:20:58.807 --> 02:21:02.117
So I didn't know boy, girl, just, I wanted it all to be a surprise, be special.

02:21:02.127 --> 02:21:04.147
This was just going to probably be our only child.

02:21:04.717 --> 02:21:10.721
And um, complications with the pregnancy throughout, but not horrible.

02:21:10.721 --> 02:21:14.422
Just like, just discomfort, whatever, puking and whatever.

02:21:14.791 --> 02:21:17.811
I was, uh, he was upside down the entire time.

02:21:17.811 --> 02:21:20.281
And I had something called placenta previa pretty common.

02:21:20.502 --> 02:21:21.672
So it's where the placenta.

02:21:21.846 --> 02:21:23.697
It blocks the exit.

02:21:23.887 --> 02:21:24.277
Oh, right.

02:21:24.277 --> 02:21:25.697
And so, um.

02:21:25.816 --> 02:21:27.772
Just got to move that out of the way and get it done.

02:21:27.772 --> 02:21:28.516
It typically does.

02:21:28.516 --> 02:21:31.647
It shrinks, it moves up, and fine, magic happens.

02:21:32.047 --> 02:21:33.266
That didn't happen for me.

02:21:33.326 --> 02:21:33.576
Okay.

02:21:33.576 --> 02:21:41.537
So, upon delivery day, so I had to deliver early, I was three weeks early, go to the hospital, they do the ultrasound to see where everything is at.

02:21:41.957 --> 02:21:43.752
The doctor pulled me aside and said, it's fine.

02:21:44.072 --> 02:21:46.272
I don't know how to tell you this, but I'm going to be honest with you.

02:21:46.322 --> 02:21:47.031
She's amazing.

02:21:47.051 --> 02:21:51.332
She's still a practicing doctor at, um, or at, uh, the women's clinic clinic.

02:21:51.582 --> 02:21:51.742
Okay.

02:21:52.361 --> 02:21:54.961
Um, she said, I don't know where to cut.

02:21:55.272 --> 02:21:58.832
Um, cause I had to get a four C section, emergency six C section.

02:21:59.102 --> 02:22:00.191
She said, I don't know where to cut.

02:22:00.992 --> 02:22:02.072
You're going to bleed a lot.

02:22:02.131 --> 02:22:03.611
We've ordered another doctor.

02:22:03.842 --> 02:22:04.691
We have your blood type.

02:22:04.691 --> 02:22:06.061
We're going to, we've ordered up all the blood.

02:22:06.061 --> 02:22:06.807
Right.

02:22:07.166 --> 02:22:08.266
You're gonna bleed a lot.

02:22:08.387 --> 02:22:08.816
Oh shit.

02:22:09.447 --> 02:22:12.236
You probably will lose all of your lady parts.

02:22:12.707 --> 02:22:15.387
She said you probably could die.

02:22:15.877 --> 02:22:22.777
I need you to sign this paperwork Because I had to figure out like what happens with when I die like do I donate organs?

02:22:24.086 --> 02:22:29.166
So there wasn't really an option, like, either way you're under high risk, whether you try to deliver or not.

02:22:29.756 --> 02:22:32.027
So basically my placenta was covering everything.

02:22:32.057 --> 02:22:36.406
When they cut me open, I will bleed a lot and I will probably lose a lot of blood.

02:22:36.766 --> 02:22:38.397
They will have blood to replace me.

02:22:38.467 --> 02:22:39.849
We're at a blood shortage right now.

02:22:39.849 --> 02:22:41.112
But you gotta keep it full.

02:22:41.112 --> 02:22:41.324
Yeah.

02:22:41.324 --> 02:22:43.287
Oh, is this 2020 or something even?

02:22:43.307 --> 02:22:44.846
This was 2018.

02:22:44.897 --> 02:22:45.186
Oh, okay.

02:22:45.197 --> 02:22:47.227
We've been at a blood shortage for quite some time.

02:22:47.227 --> 02:22:47.606
Yeah.

02:22:47.606 --> 02:22:47.644
Yeah.

02:22:47.644 --> 02:22:47.682
Yeah.

02:22:47.861 --> 02:22:50.281
And so, it's just like, it was pretty bad.

02:22:50.281 --> 02:22:51.006
I remember responding to that.

02:22:51.006 --> 02:22:54.652
I donated it in 2018 because I saw it email and it was like, way low.

02:22:54.682 --> 02:22:55.061
Same.

02:22:55.121 --> 02:22:57.691
I'm a donor because it is so bad right now.

02:22:57.731 --> 02:22:59.551
Everyone, donate your blood if you can.

02:23:00.002 --> 02:23:03.811
Um, so, uh, she said, there's a chance.

02:23:04.012 --> 02:23:05.012
Call your parents.

02:23:05.031 --> 02:23:05.631
Call.

02:23:05.856 --> 02:23:06.986
Everyone say you love them.

02:23:07.297 --> 02:23:12.096
Like we've got to head in, prepare yourself because you most likely will die.

02:23:12.637 --> 02:23:17.186
Like, so, um, I filled out all the paperwork, said goodbye to my husband.

02:23:17.426 --> 02:23:23.447
My parents came to the hospital, even though I told them not to, because I was like, already, like, this is just nonsense, right?

02:23:24.096 --> 02:23:25.176
They were bawling.

02:23:26.207 --> 02:23:29.846
And so it made me even worse, crying, saying goodbye.

02:23:30.902 --> 02:23:33.342
So then again, I don't know what I'm having.

02:23:33.342 --> 02:23:36.471
I don't know if I'm under anesthesia.

02:23:36.766 --> 02:23:48.957
Um, she somehow magically cuts me like it's at, I have this like jarred scar, didn't cut the placenta, didn't bleed out, had all this extra medical staff, just the right depth.

02:23:48.957 --> 02:23:50.027
She pulls the baby up.

02:23:50.566 --> 02:23:51.856
I'm so out of it.

02:23:51.897 --> 02:23:53.277
I don't know if I'm in heaven.

02:23:53.297 --> 02:23:54.477
I don't know if I've died.

02:23:54.766 --> 02:24:00.176
So I, she, they say it's a boy, but I'm like watching, looking down rather than looking up.

02:24:00.527 --> 02:24:01.596
And I think I've died.

02:24:01.596 --> 02:24:04.457
So I said to my husband, am I alive or am I dead?

02:24:04.807 --> 02:24:08.057
So like, normally I'm supposed to be celebrating that I like had a baby.

02:24:08.572 --> 02:24:12.022
But I don't actually know if I'm in heaven watching this from up above.

02:24:12.502 --> 02:24:12.951
Yeah.

02:24:13.031 --> 02:24:14.682
So that was my birth experience.

02:24:14.691 --> 02:24:16.301
That's anesthesia for you, right?

02:24:16.891 --> 02:24:17.131
Easy.

02:24:17.141 --> 02:24:20.932
Like sometimes you just don't even know the circumstance.

02:24:20.932 --> 02:24:21.682
Didn't feel a thing.

02:24:22.012 --> 02:24:30.041
But I knew going in that I had a high chance of dying and that at the, at the very least, she said, at the very least you won't be able to have more children.

02:24:30.082 --> 02:24:31.311
And I was okay.

02:24:31.371 --> 02:24:32.682
I didn't even know if I could have this one.

02:24:32.691 --> 02:24:33.061
Wow.

02:24:33.061 --> 02:24:33.121
Wow.

02:24:33.801 --> 02:24:39.102
How do you feel the next morning, um, or maybe that afternoon, like when you woke up properly?

02:24:39.871 --> 02:24:40.592
This is so weird.

02:24:40.592 --> 02:24:41.961
This is who I am as a person.

02:24:42.061 --> 02:24:43.932
I was confident I was going to live.

02:24:44.121 --> 02:24:49.041
I was confident I was going to be fine, whether I died or I lived like, yeah, not a lot.

02:24:49.041 --> 02:24:50.182
There's no reason to think that.

02:24:50.182 --> 02:24:50.361
Yeah.

02:24:50.361 --> 02:24:51.638
Everyone else was crying.

02:24:51.638 --> 02:24:52.915
But I love that.

02:24:52.915 --> 02:24:54.512
It's going to be fine.

02:24:54.512 --> 02:24:54.831
Yeah.

02:24:54.831 --> 02:24:56.745
Whether I die or I live.

02:24:56.745 --> 02:24:57.065
Yeah.

02:24:57.065 --> 02:24:58.022
Figure it out.

02:24:58.022 --> 02:24:59.971
Like, I honestly don't know why.

02:25:00.102 --> 02:25:10.871
But I was such a blessing that is honestly, like during the COVID days to follow and weird shit like that, like knowing I'm going to be fine if I die is such a blessing.

02:25:10.881 --> 02:25:12.842
Yeah, I was at peace no matter what.

02:25:12.922 --> 02:25:13.172
Yeah.

02:25:13.371 --> 02:25:15.822
Now do I want my husband to raise my child?

02:25:16.111 --> 02:25:22.791
Yeah, our child alone, like this nerdy redheaded dude, like, yeah, he's good, but he's not good without me.

02:25:23.397 --> 02:25:23.897
Shit.

02:25:26.406 --> 02:25:28.156
And to have to do that at the last minute.

02:25:28.207 --> 02:25:35.467
So that wasn't, that realization wasn't until we got to the hospital and they did the ultrasound and it was like, this is emergent, you have to do it now.

02:25:35.467 --> 02:25:40.371
But also, Figure out the paperwork because like, do you want to be a vegetable?

02:25:40.381 --> 02:25:41.551
Like all that stuff.

02:25:42.432 --> 02:25:42.832
Wow.

02:25:42.832 --> 02:25:43.652
What a rough thing.

02:25:44.582 --> 02:25:44.932
Okay.

02:25:44.941 --> 02:25:45.371
Crazy.

02:25:45.682 --> 02:25:46.432
That was crazy.

02:25:47.572 --> 02:25:48.441
The same story.

02:25:48.531 --> 02:25:49.012
Vegas.

02:25:49.061 --> 02:25:50.322
We're going to Vegas cab ride now.

02:25:50.701 --> 02:25:51.072
Okay.

02:25:51.072 --> 02:25:52.221
Let's hit the Vegas cab ride.

02:25:52.221 --> 02:25:52.441
Yeah.

02:25:52.441 --> 02:25:54.752
No, we're hitting the Vegas cab ride for sure.

02:25:57.781 --> 02:26:01.871
You're like, I can't believe I'm going to share this story, but no, it's here.

02:26:01.871 --> 02:26:02.301
We are.

02:26:02.301 --> 02:26:05.022
We're almost two bottles of wine and we might as well share it.

02:26:05.111 --> 02:26:06.572
I, I love Dateline.

02:26:06.582 --> 02:26:08.082
I'm obsessed with like.

02:26:08.971 --> 02:26:10.932
True stories that actually happened to people.

02:26:11.152 --> 02:26:16.252
I mean, I love movies and I love fiction and all that, but really, I love true stories.

02:26:16.627 --> 02:26:18.906
That hap like things that happen to real people.

02:26:18.906 --> 02:26:23.406
So inventors, love any of those movies, documentaries, and movies made on true stories.

02:26:23.467 --> 02:26:23.856
Sure.

02:26:23.947 --> 02:26:31.426
Like the math guy from way back, this, uh, whatever, mind, A devious mind, amazing mind, whatever that show was, all of it.

02:26:31.576 --> 02:26:33.166
Sign me up for all of it.

02:26:33.647 --> 02:26:34.666
What's that movie with?

02:26:34.666 --> 02:26:36.076
Um, oh my gosh.

02:26:36.076 --> 02:26:36.676
A Brilliant Mind.

02:26:37.186 --> 02:26:40.246
That was what it was, the Cocaine, how Cocaine came to the United States.

02:26:40.426 --> 02:26:40.787
Johnny Depp.

02:26:41.316 --> 02:26:41.977
Oh my gosh.

02:26:42.016 --> 02:26:44.486
Oh, uh, let me introduce you to my little friend.

02:26:44.527 --> 02:26:45.717
No, Johnny Depp.

02:26:45.746 --> 02:26:46.147
Um.

02:26:46.217 --> 02:26:46.697
I don't know.

02:26:46.707 --> 02:26:47.377
Oh, what is it called?

02:26:47.426 --> 02:26:47.831
Oh, it's so good.

02:26:47.831 --> 02:26:48.075
It's so good.

02:26:48.075 --> 02:26:49.197
It was a series.

02:26:49.256 --> 02:26:56.447
No, it was an, uh, it was a movie all about how he was the one who brought cocaine, it was marijuana too, but cocaine to the United States.

02:26:56.606 --> 02:26:57.006
Oh, really?

02:26:57.006 --> 02:26:58.137
And flew it in from Columbia.

02:26:58.217 --> 02:26:58.676
Interesting.

02:26:58.676 --> 02:26:59.617
It's fantastic.

02:26:59.617 --> 02:27:00.977
The soundtrack, all of it.

02:27:01.416 --> 02:27:05.826
But to know, like, to know that history, but then it's colorized by Hollywood, of course.

02:27:06.326 --> 02:27:08.516
This is not Hollywood, but this actually happened.

02:27:08.986 --> 02:27:09.777
Um, so.

02:27:10.172 --> 02:27:13.072
I, um, I'm obviously a talker.

02:27:13.141 --> 02:27:14.471
I love to know a lot about people.

02:27:14.471 --> 02:27:15.191
I ask a lot of questions.

02:27:15.191 --> 02:27:15.301
Right.

02:27:15.301 --> 02:27:15.561
Right.

02:27:15.561 --> 02:27:15.891
Same.

02:27:16.061 --> 02:27:18.922
So, I'm in the, the business world.

02:27:18.971 --> 02:27:21.531
I have to go to Vegas regularly for conferences.

02:27:21.941 --> 02:27:22.781
I'm in Vegas.

02:27:22.832 --> 02:27:27.561
Uh, I get one night off where I don't have to host a client event or do some sort of like meet and greet party.

02:27:27.922 --> 02:27:28.531
Get a night off.

02:27:28.561 --> 02:27:29.842
I get to go gamble.

02:27:29.881 --> 02:27:30.652
Just kind of live it up a little bit.

02:27:30.652 --> 02:27:31.971
You're a single girl at this time.

02:27:33.852 --> 02:27:34.561
I don't even know.

02:27:37.231 --> 02:27:38.891
I'm not doing anything scandalous.

02:27:38.891 --> 02:27:42.881
I'm just, I'm just, I just want to go play the slots, play some blackjack.

02:27:42.922 --> 02:27:44.471
So you're 30 or something, right?

02:27:45.002 --> 02:27:46.502
This is before your husband, but.

02:27:46.811 --> 02:27:49.092
Ooh, it's right before I'm pregnant with my son.

02:27:49.182 --> 02:27:50.412
Oh, so you're married.

02:27:50.422 --> 02:27:50.951
Married.

02:27:51.012 --> 02:27:51.631
I am married.

02:27:51.691 --> 02:27:52.061
Okay.

02:27:52.551 --> 02:27:54.012
So go to for a conference.

02:27:54.131 --> 02:27:55.551
Um, I've never been to the.

02:27:56.066 --> 02:27:57.436
Old town or the old strip.

02:27:57.436 --> 02:27:58.037
All right.

02:27:58.037 --> 02:27:58.846
So I'm not off the strip.

02:27:58.996 --> 02:27:59.807
Old town, Vegas.

02:28:00.647 --> 02:28:01.256
Take a cab.

02:28:01.457 --> 02:28:02.986
Say, I want to go to the old town.

02:28:02.996 --> 02:28:03.627
Never been there.

02:28:03.926 --> 02:28:08.127
It turns out it's a long ride compared to where I was staying on the strip.

02:28:08.746 --> 02:28:09.936
So I get a cab driver.

02:28:10.457 --> 02:28:12.207
I don't like awkward silence.

02:28:12.426 --> 02:28:16.977
I asked him a couple of questions about himself, about, you know, where are you from?

02:28:16.977 --> 02:28:19.496
Cause most cab drivers in Vegas are not from Vegas.

02:28:20.006 --> 02:28:23.936
And so he loves talking and I love listening.

02:28:24.197 --> 02:28:24.547
So.

02:28:24.846 --> 02:28:32.527
He starts to tell me he's from Crystal Lake, Illinois, and I said, Oh my gosh, I have, I have family from Crystal Lake, Illinois.

02:28:32.527 --> 02:28:33.516
I'm from the Midwest.

02:28:33.816 --> 02:28:37.006
And he said, Oh my gosh, my family's famous.

02:28:37.027 --> 02:28:39.316
Like, I'm sure they've heard about my family.

02:28:39.537 --> 02:28:39.836
Okay.

02:28:40.076 --> 02:28:41.527
This is, okay.

02:28:41.596 --> 02:28:42.897
What's your family's name?

02:28:43.186 --> 02:28:44.356
And he says Romano.

02:28:44.811 --> 02:28:50.221
So I'm thinking Ray Romano from Comedian, and he's been in a couple sitcoms.

02:28:50.221 --> 02:28:52.471
Yeah, yeah, one I watched a lot.

02:28:52.481 --> 02:28:53.682
Romano, yeah.

02:28:54.131 --> 02:28:54.992
Everybody loves Raymond.

02:28:55.691 --> 02:28:57.481
Everybody loves Raymond, yes.

02:28:57.641 --> 02:28:58.092
That's great.

02:28:58.152 --> 02:29:03.662
So I'm thinking, I'm like Googling in the back, Crystal Lake, Illinois, Ray Romano.

02:29:04.272 --> 02:29:16.217
Um, he's, he's not Ray Romano, but I'm assuming he's And he says, no, um, my parents were murdered and the case has been cold.

02:29:16.246 --> 02:29:19.637
And so they're still trying to figure out what happened to my family.

02:29:20.016 --> 02:29:22.457
And so I'm all in.

02:29:22.506 --> 02:29:23.207
You're listening.

02:29:23.367 --> 02:29:24.027
Date line.

02:29:24.537 --> 02:29:25.037
Exactly.

02:29:25.037 --> 02:29:26.676
I'm listening.

02:29:26.676 --> 02:29:32.557
You were just talking about your love of date line and what not and you might be a lawyer in your next life.

02:29:32.586 --> 02:29:32.926
Yeah.

02:29:32.926 --> 02:29:33.027
Yeah.

02:29:33.217 --> 02:29:38.287
So, I just, I'm like, gosh, okay, so, this is random, because I'm thinking I'm with a celebrity.

02:29:38.307 --> 02:29:39.807
You're like Menendez thing.

02:29:39.807 --> 02:29:41.037
No, no, no.

02:29:41.316 --> 02:29:44.027
I am with someone whose parents have been murdered.

02:29:44.037 --> 02:29:45.186
Okay, I'm all in.

02:29:45.717 --> 02:29:46.506
Tell me about it.

02:29:46.897 --> 02:29:56.527
So he just speaks and tells me all about it and everything and why he's in Vegas and the whole thing is just so strange and I'm, I can't believe I'm having this conversation.

02:29:56.527 --> 02:30:02.027
I actually don't want to get out of the cab because he's so interesting, but I do, I gamble, I gamble, I leave.

02:30:02.457 --> 02:30:04.227
Go back to the hotel, do my job.

02:30:04.586 --> 02:30:07.736
And then I have to travel back to Vegas a couple of months later.

02:30:08.027 --> 02:30:13.746
And I'm thinking in my head as I'm in the airport, everything I need to do when I land, I'm like, Oh, I've got to get a cab.

02:30:14.436 --> 02:30:15.377
Cause you Let's call Mr.

02:30:15.397 --> 02:30:19.588
Romano, cause I'm so curious about the end of that story.

02:30:19.588 --> 02:30:22.367
I never Googled Romanos, Crystal Lake, Illinois.

02:30:22.777 --> 02:30:24.957
I was just listening to him and then I went on and I gambled.

02:30:25.326 --> 02:30:28.906
So I'm like, Oh yeah, Romano, Crystal Lake, murders.

02:30:29.666 --> 02:30:33.016
Crystal Lake is where Jason was.

02:30:34.147 --> 02:30:35.066
Oh, like Friday the 13th?

02:30:35.066 --> 02:30:35.467
Yeah.

02:30:35.467 --> 02:30:36.346
So, yeah.

02:30:36.557 --> 02:30:38.217
So, like, you can't find a thing.

02:30:38.586 --> 02:30:41.637
So now I'm like, oh gosh, remember the details, Christine.

02:30:41.807 --> 02:30:43.647
Google Crystal Lake, Illinois.

02:30:43.697 --> 02:30:44.287
Murders.

02:30:44.287 --> 02:30:44.947
Cold case.

02:30:45.477 --> 02:30:46.217
So I do.

02:30:46.316 --> 02:30:47.637
Everyone, Google it.

02:30:47.656 --> 02:30:51.717
Because you will find, um, an article pops up.

02:30:51.836 --> 02:30:53.566
And it's about to happen.

02:30:53.936 --> 02:30:58.477
Older individuals who were murdered in the middle of the night and their case was unsolved.

02:30:58.957 --> 02:31:09.406
And so I read the whole article and then at the end of it, it said, if you know the whereabouts of the son picture of the man whose cab I was in.

02:31:11.762 --> 02:31:13.332
Please call this detective.

02:31:13.422 --> 02:31:19.902
And I'm like, this, no, I'm sitting in an airport going, there's no way I'm literally sitting on the carpet.

02:31:19.912 --> 02:31:20.981
There's no chairs available.

02:31:21.051 --> 02:31:26.391
He's confessing to, he was confessing to you about his crime because everybody wants to confess.

02:31:26.391 --> 02:31:36.752
Like it's, it's kind of go back to faith, like Christianity and like, well, but it's, it's almost impossible for a human to harbor a secret.

02:31:38.617 --> 02:31:39.377
I'd agree with that.

02:31:39.486 --> 02:31:39.727
Yeah.

02:31:39.836 --> 02:31:40.566
It's really tough.

02:31:40.756 --> 02:31:41.336
Yeah.

02:31:41.447 --> 02:31:41.777
Yeah.

02:31:41.816 --> 02:31:43.106
So I googled it.

02:31:43.106 --> 02:31:43.307
Okay.

02:31:43.307 --> 02:31:43.756
Found it.

02:31:43.947 --> 02:31:44.336
All right.

02:31:44.436 --> 02:31:45.377
Called the detective.

02:31:46.627 --> 02:31:48.977
You're like, I'm gonna call this guy for a cab ride here shortly.

02:31:48.986 --> 02:31:49.447
Why not?

02:31:49.797 --> 02:31:51.156
He's no longer on the case.

02:31:51.166 --> 02:31:51.736
It's cold.

02:31:51.756 --> 02:31:52.707
It's really cold.

02:31:52.707 --> 02:31:53.746
I mean it happened a while ago.

02:31:54.746 --> 02:31:55.836
New detective was on it.

02:31:55.867 --> 02:31:57.027
That person was available.

02:31:57.307 --> 02:31:58.867
I'm sitting in my flight is boarding.

02:31:58.877 --> 02:32:19.836
I'm like, hey, this is weird But this might be the guy you're looking for for this cold case I was in a cab in Vegas and this guy was telling me about his how his parents were murdered and he said So at the time there was, uh, there wasn't a financial reward at that time, but they were looking for his whereabouts.

02:32:20.426 --> 02:32:23.137
And he said, uh, can you get the cab?

02:32:23.367 --> 02:32:26.707
Do you have the cab receipt from this cab ride and know the cab company?

02:32:27.006 --> 02:32:30.467
Like, actually I save everything for my expenses.

02:32:33.772 --> 02:32:35.992
When I get back from this trip, I will call you.

02:32:36.461 --> 02:32:37.682
So I called them.

02:32:38.111 --> 02:32:41.611
I sent them the receipt, found the cab company, the actual cab I was in.

02:32:41.621 --> 02:32:42.861
They identified him.

02:32:43.262 --> 02:32:45.422
And at the time he wasn't a person of interest.

02:32:45.422 --> 02:32:48.361
It was just like, they were trying to keep track of brevity.

02:32:48.961 --> 02:32:49.182
Yeah.

02:32:49.182 --> 02:32:54.691
So at that time, all I knew what he had told me was that his parents were murdered in the middle of the night.

02:32:55.361 --> 02:33:00.022
He went out to Vegas is what he said was to get away from it because it was so hard for him.

02:33:00.301 --> 02:33:01.861
They couldn't find the killer.

02:33:02.342 --> 02:33:04.291
It was going to take quite some time.

02:33:04.381 --> 02:33:07.711
The case took forever and that he was just waiting for his money to come in.

02:33:07.711 --> 02:33:10.951
So his parents were worth a lot of money.

02:33:10.961 --> 02:33:11.121
Right.

02:33:11.791 --> 02:33:14.402
His brother was still back in Crystal Lake, Illinois.

02:33:14.961 --> 02:33:18.231
And, um, he just felt like he needed to get away.

02:33:18.731 --> 02:33:22.002
So the detectives were looking for him.

02:33:22.891 --> 02:33:25.842
He was just, um, someone who they wanted to keep track of.

02:33:25.842 --> 02:33:26.078
Yeah.

02:33:26.078 --> 02:33:26.861
They were just curious.

02:33:26.861 --> 02:33:28.891
You know, somebody that's going to get a bunch of money.

02:33:29.272 --> 02:33:31.191
When this case closes, no.

02:33:31.791 --> 02:33:33.742
So I give them that information.

02:33:33.742 --> 02:33:34.252
Fine.

02:33:34.252 --> 02:33:35.541
Thank you for sending that.

02:33:36.316 --> 02:33:36.707
Done.

02:33:37.406 --> 02:33:41.787
A year later, it pops into my head again, because I go to Vegas every year for this conference.

02:33:41.846 --> 02:33:44.307
I'm like, oh gosh, whatever happened, Crystal Lake.

02:33:45.037 --> 02:33:46.176
Um, Googled it.

02:33:47.207 --> 02:33:49.596
All of the sudden, person of interest.

02:33:50.176 --> 02:33:56.957
And I call the detective on the case and I say, hey, I called in and just like, this was so weird.

02:33:56.957 --> 02:34:03.346
Like I sat in the cab with this guy and I gave a testimony, but I don't know if it matters or if it was helpful.

02:34:03.576 --> 02:34:06.867
And they're like, hold, we will get back to you.

02:34:07.047 --> 02:34:08.477
Then all of the sudden.

02:34:09.172 --> 02:34:14.332
There's a new judge or new someone who's helping with this case and they fired it back up.

02:34:14.342 --> 02:34:15.752
It was no longer a cold case.

02:34:16.211 --> 02:34:16.332
Yep, yep.

02:34:16.332 --> 02:34:17.852
And they're looking for this dude.

02:34:18.672 --> 02:34:25.252
And so, they ask for me to give my story again to make sure it's what I gave before.

02:34:26.502 --> 02:34:35.843
Um, then I get a subpoena in the mail that they want me to testify because he actually was a person of interest and they were going to try to take him to trial for the murder of the parents.

02:34:35.843 --> 02:34:37.677
They had arrested him already or something?

02:34:37.677 --> 02:34:41.231
Yeah, they, they had arrested him, but again, like it was, it's so loose.

02:34:41.231 --> 02:34:44.492
Yeah, unless you got any witnesses and shit, you got nothing really.

02:34:44.811 --> 02:34:55.561
So now I'm pregnant with my son and I'm supposed to fly to Vegas and who knows how long this trial is gonna be and I just sat in a cab with this dude and listened to his story that I felt like didn't feel quite right.

02:34:55.992 --> 02:35:01.522
So, uh, at the end of it, there was, he was loose lips, like you said.

02:35:01.686 --> 02:35:04.027
Someone, no one wants to hold on to secrets.

02:35:04.027 --> 02:35:04.967
He's a chatty Kathy.

02:35:04.977 --> 02:35:08.356
He's telling anyone he knows about how his parents were murdered.

02:35:08.356 --> 02:35:09.807
So enough other people have come forward.

02:35:09.807 --> 02:35:12.467
It was you and a dozen other people that he told about this shit.

02:35:12.566 --> 02:35:19.277
So they subpoenaed me, but then because I would be hotel and flight cost to go to Vegas, they chose some other folks.

02:35:19.277 --> 02:35:20.916
I didn't have to go testify.

02:35:21.207 --> 02:35:27.566
But yeah, he, he actually was found guilty of murdering both of his parents in cold blood in the middle of the night.

02:35:28.027 --> 02:35:33.162
Stabbed them to death and, um, because they were worth millions of dollars.

02:35:33.162 --> 02:35:35.381
They had a bunch of collectibles if I remember.

02:35:35.701 --> 02:35:36.981
Does the brother get all the money then?

02:35:37.352 --> 02:35:38.201
I think he does.

02:35:38.281 --> 02:35:40.311
So here's, here's the crazy stuff, Kurt.

02:35:41.031 --> 02:35:45.102
So he knew that his parents were worth a lot of money.

02:35:45.932 --> 02:35:49.152
Right before they were murdered, they wrote him out of the will.

02:35:49.742 --> 02:35:51.842
So he wasn't going to get anything anyway.

02:35:55.391 --> 02:35:55.611
I know.

02:35:55.961 --> 02:35:58.152
So like, he was crazy.

02:35:58.512 --> 02:36:00.252
They, they didn't trust him.

02:36:00.572 --> 02:36:05.641
And my instinct, I was only in a cab with him for a short period of time, but I was like, God, this is crazy.

02:36:06.102 --> 02:36:07.172
Something doesn't feel right.

02:36:07.561 --> 02:36:07.861
Yeah.

02:36:09.332 --> 02:36:15.242
Well, I'm glad that you didn't have the same instinct with me, otherwise you would never be here at the local experience.

02:36:16.822 --> 02:36:19.522
We're right here together, by ourselves.

02:36:19.922 --> 02:36:26.766
You might not get out But actually we're just gonna drink the rest of this wine.

02:36:26.846 --> 02:36:27.346
I love it.

02:36:27.436 --> 02:36:27.656
Okay.

02:36:27.656 --> 02:36:30.029
I'm gonna smoke some weed and be out of here soon.

02:36:30.029 --> 02:36:30.310
Okay.

02:36:30.310 --> 02:36:33.131
Do you want to tell people how to find you?

02:36:33.131 --> 02:36:33.414
Hmm.

02:36:33.414 --> 02:36:33.697
Hmm.

02:36:33.977 --> 02:36:35.057
Probably should as I sip my wine.

02:36:35.057 --> 02:36:41.227
I mean, that's why you're here is to like tell people that you're cool and buy me for services in the future.

02:36:41.566 --> 02:36:44.207
Yes, so we are Big Deal Company.

02:36:44.387 --> 02:36:45.697
Every client is a big deal.

02:36:45.756 --> 02:36:47.906
We are BigDealCompany.

02:36:47.947 --> 02:36:50.236
com That's it.

02:36:50.316 --> 02:36:50.826
Done and done?

02:36:51.246 --> 02:36:51.926
Done and done.

02:36:51.947 --> 02:36:53.186
What do you think about motorcycles?

02:36:54.367 --> 02:36:56.637
Oh, is this a loaded question?

02:36:57.367 --> 02:36:58.037
Just curious.

02:36:58.816 --> 02:37:01.717
So, I love the idea of riding motorcycles.

02:37:01.756 --> 02:37:07.027
I've had actually a lot of bad experiences on motorcycles, so I no longer partake.

02:37:07.426 --> 02:37:15.156
My husband has had a couple motorcycle crashes, so we have decided that is not a good, safe family choice.

02:37:15.166 --> 02:37:17.877
He needs some more training is what I'm hearing.

02:37:19.197 --> 02:37:19.627
Kevin?

02:37:20.197 --> 02:37:20.566
Is it Kevin?

02:37:20.566 --> 02:37:21.127
Is it Kevin?

02:37:21.326 --> 02:37:22.836
Kevin, I will teach you.

02:37:23.537 --> 02:37:28.176
I have told him that, um, And your boys need motorcycles in their lives.

02:37:28.176 --> 02:37:28.916
I'm just saying, Christine.

02:37:29.016 --> 02:37:29.527
Oh my gosh.

02:37:29.836 --> 02:37:30.377
No, no.

02:37:30.387 --> 02:37:35.006
Dude, back roads, like red feather, like little dirt bikes, motorcycles, like.

02:37:35.016 --> 02:37:35.557
Fine.

02:37:35.967 --> 02:37:40.496
We're right now a golf cart family, so you can just off road in a golf cart.

02:37:40.516 --> 02:37:44.096
We'll turn you into, they could be four wheelers or whatever, but.

02:37:44.742 --> 02:37:46.361
Boys need dirt.

02:37:47.231 --> 02:37:47.641
They do.

02:37:47.951 --> 02:37:50.981
Oh my gosh, my kids get so much dirt.

02:37:50.981 --> 02:37:52.061
Oh, so much dirt.

02:37:52.422 --> 02:37:52.752
Yeah.

02:37:52.961 --> 02:37:56.631
I hope, on a scale of 1 to 10, how much fun have you had in this conversation?

02:37:56.641 --> 02:38:01.002
Ooh, 10! Yeah, this has been great! Alright, good.

02:38:01.002 --> 02:38:01.352
How about you?

02:38:02.311 --> 02:38:03.631
It's been very fun, yes.

02:38:03.762 --> 02:38:04.572
Like all of 10.

02:38:05.152 --> 02:38:06.082
At least a 9.

02:38:06.152 --> 02:38:07.361
I mean, I got a lot of interesting people.

02:38:07.361 --> 02:38:09.141
Yeah, there could be some wiggle room, sure.

02:38:09.971 --> 02:38:10.701
But it was pretty good.

02:38:11.311 --> 02:38:12.492
Alright, we'll just cut it there.

02:38:13.182 --> 02:38:13.672
Alright, cheers.

02:38:13.672 --> 02:38:14.801
Thanks.