EXPERIENCE 186 | Writing a New Chapter in Her Career Journey - AND Helping Purpose-Driven Women Begin & Succeed in their Next Chapter - America’s Encore Career Strategist, Julie Ulstrup

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Julie Ulstrup began her career in admissions counseling, soon transitioned to school counseling, and was a school counselor for Poudre School District for 13 years.

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Like many of the purpose driven, she began to experience burnout after about 10 years, and made the leap in 2016, transforming her hobby business of photography into a vibrant, full time enterprise.

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In just a few years, she had more than doubled her income and saw transformative change in dozens of clients.

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Her mix of photography talent and experience as a counselor helped her help clients not only look great, but feel great about the way they look, which makes photos even better.

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And she even turned her learnings on the topic into a TED Talk.

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While she has continued to be in high demand for photography, in the last few years, Julia has started coaching business owners and executives to excel in their current role and to consider their next chapter.

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Take a look.

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Newly in 2024, her focus has narrowed even further, helping people like her, teachers, counselors, nurses, social workers, and more, That have found career success, but are experiencing burnout plan and execute their next chapter, usually as entrepreneurs, Julie is a great conversationalist, a lifetime learner and an adventurer though acquainted for years.

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This is the first time we've really sat down together for an extended period.

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And I left the conversation with both my fondness and my respect much increased.

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So please join me and learn lots of great stuff about and from Julie Alstrup, America's Encore career strategist.

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um, okay, here we go.

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One, two, three.

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Welcome back to the Low Code Experience Podcast.

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I'm pleased today to be joined by Julie Ulstrup and Julie is America's Encore Career Expert.

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So welcome to the show.

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Thanks so much, Kurt.

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I'm delighted to be here.

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So happy.

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You know, it's going to be hard for me to think of you as other than Julie Ulstrup, photographer, business leader, a woman encourager.

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Um, and I was really interested to learn about kind of your refreshed focus on this specific niche, I guess.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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It's really been an evolution as many of us, uh, entrepreneurs, I started my entrepreneur journey as you know, as a photographer specializing in branding and specifically photographing women.

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And prior to that, I worked in education.

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I worked in higher education for a while, and then I worked in secondary education as a school counselor.

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And what I realized is I brought a lot of that, um, those skills, those techniques, the things that I used as a school counselor in my photography.

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And I really helped women specifically.

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I also worked with men.

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But I really helped people show up.

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Yeah.

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In their full brilliance.

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And so, you know, evolving into women's leadership and then to this really seems like the next natural step for me.

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So.

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I'm thinking to myself, like, Yeah.

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Not any photographer, but a lot of photographers can make you look beautiful, but it takes a really good one to make you feel beautiful.

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And that's kind of the evolution that you took from there to here in some ways.

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Absolutely.

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It is.

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Yeah.

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I, a lot of times women, I used to hear all the time, they hated to be photographed and, and always.

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I would help them to look beautiful, feel beautiful in their photographs, and show up really authentically.

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So there's that, that depth and breadth of experience that I brought to a photo shoot, that then, Like I said, it's morphed into this business where I am now.

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Yeah.

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Neat.

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Um, and has this been like, did you like go to a retreat and like think about what my next chapter is?

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Or you just kind of stumble into a few of these kind of client engagements and then you're like, you know what?

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I should really, this is where my heart is singing.

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Where my heart is singing, absolutely.

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And I had so much feedback from photo shoots.

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So back during the pandemic, I did a TED talk and I talked about the power of a portrait and how women can change the way they see themselves.

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And so again, there, that evolution I've continued with the photography.

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I've had a lot of women who, Absolutely do change the way they see themselves and then moving into women's leadership in leading the Northern Colorado chapter of E Women Network for two years and growing that.

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And I realized by bringing those things together, the ability to help, really help people see themselves in bigger, bolder ways and have more purpose in that is, it's really been an evolution.

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It hasn't been a stumbling.

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A lot of people will have like a.

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a huge aha, and after a photo shoot, they'll be like, Oh my gosh, everything changed for me after that.

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I had a client who said that.

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And so I thought, you know, what if I offered longer amounts of time that I could work with people like, like I used to, I mean, I used to work for sure.

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You had a whole school year for a while.

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Well, and four years, you know, if I was working with someone in high school, so yeah.

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You had an interesting thing.

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Yeah.

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If you, if I can make this much of an impact in a two hour photo shoot, like What would a continuing engagement look like?

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Yes, exactly.

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That's exactly it.

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Can we talk about, like, some of your practices, I guess?

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Like, what are, have you developed, like, a whole system of your own that you use?

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Is it more instinctual based on the client you're working with?

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Like, what, what, what are the toolkit that you're bringing to bear?

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Yeah, so I have, um, some proven practices and success strategies, and it depends on how the client chooses to work with me.

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I do offer weekly, a weekly community that I have online, and I have people actually not from all over the world, but I've got someone from Canada.

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I've got people from around the United States in there, and I teach on certain, you know, business principles, business topics, because I've been an entrepreneur now for seven or eight years.

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So, And I'm a person who loves to learn.

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I love to learn and then I love to share that information out.

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So we go through different topics, you know, relevant topics to starting a business.

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What is, you know, what does it look like?

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What's your purpose?

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What is decisive action look like?

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How are you going to be courageous?

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So things like that in the community.

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But if I'm working with someone one on one, definitely we put together a success plan.

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We do specific strategy.

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I've got a, um, Because these are people that are thinking about starting a business, potentially, as an encore.

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Is that right?

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Yes.

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That's the target market is?

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Maybe teachers, maybe nurses, maybe, something else.

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Yes.

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You, you actually hit the nail on the head.

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I work with a lot of educators.

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I work with a lot of healthcare professionals, social workers that want to get the heck out of that industry.

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Other, other people in purpose driven business, you know, that really like, you know, that you spoke to me of that their heart is really singing to have some purpose and, and impact and perhaps an increase in income.

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I think there's some kind of fear.

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I know there is a lot of times about people becoming entrepreneurs and what's it going to take?

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And it's, it's not really that scary.

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It does take courage, of course.

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But, um, you know, there's some things that we can do to shorten the timeline.

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So it's not this ongoing, Like, okay, how am I going to, how am I going to do this?

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Yeah.

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What does it look like?

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I had someone send me a message today and he's like, oh yeah, it'll probably take me 15 years to figure out LinkedIn.

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I'm like, well, it doesn't have to, I I've got a system for that.

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So yeah, that's interesting.

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Um, well, and I was just, sometimes I say things that I shouldn't, but I was just thinking to myself that.

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You know, if you had a teaching career, I mean, it's always scary to start any kind of a business, but at least the income that you're replacing isn't super big.

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Like, if you're leaving a hundred thousand dollar a year job with corporate to try to start a business, that's a lot scarier in some cases than trying to get back to the forty thousand or something that a lot of teachers, unfortunately, are stuck at.

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Yeah, and many of the educators that I work with there, they're at a higher level, you know, encore.

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Yeah, they're not generally at the beginning of their career.

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They have 1020 years, maybe even 30.

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I've got a client who retired from education with like, 35 or 40 years, and she just she just knew like, I don't, I don't want to have to figure everything out on my own because, you know, that's the thing.

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We don't have to figure everything out on our own.

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Well, the beautiful thing about being an entrepreneur is you can craft a business size and responsibility set that fits your lifestyle.

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Absolutely.

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You know, it's hard to get a, a purpose fulfilling part time substitute teacher thing or whatever, but maybe I can have a 20 hour a week business that still allows me to travel a lot, three months a year.

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Absolutely.

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Absolutely.

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And speaking to your point of, you know, income, and I have 20 years of experience with a master's degree and I was able to double my income in about three years after leaving education.

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Now, now I had started, um, you know, I'd started prior.

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You had some reputation in the hierarchy already.

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Yes, some reputation.

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No, I did.

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And, um, you know, so it.

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It absolutely can be done and it can be something that's very liberating, again, very purpose driven because it was more for me about the transformation and the experience of the person in front of the camera.

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Well, that's incredible, uh, also, by the way, because I've known a lot of photographers that struggle to really find that marketplace.

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And I think that's one thing that you've really done well.

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And even in this new chapter for you, It's like defining who your customers should be and kind of finding that niche and, you know, explaining what you really do, what the benefits of working with me is.

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Thank you.

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Yeah, that's true.

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And you're right.

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That is a thing.

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And that's something that I help people with.

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I help with clarity and extreme focus because when we have the, you know, going backwards actually starting with purpose.

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You know, really starting with purpose, because as you know, you know, it's not all roses and cupcakes and unicorns and confetti, you know, I mean, running a business, there are things that are challenging.

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Sometimes things take longer than we expect.

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And it can be so fulfilling.

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And to have that purpose and passion.

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Underneath all of the other things is, I believe, really where we start.

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And I think, quite honestly, I think where a lot of businesses fail is not having that firm foundation of purpose and the clarity and the focus.

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So that's what I can help with.

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So your, your online community that you're, you introduced at first, that's probably people that are currently employed.

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Or maybe recently retired and they're ready to start a new chapter.

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It probably includes entrepreneurship and where do I even start?

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Is that kind of that demographic?

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Okay.

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Exactly.

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So you're really hitting the foundations of business and defining yourself and.

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Yeah.

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Even within that group form.

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Is that free?

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Or is that a membership community?

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No, there's, it's a membership, it's a membership community.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And it's, uh, we meet weekly.

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It's an hour.

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It's a, it's a workshop.

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And then kind of a Q and A.

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I, I, coming from education, I like to give people homework, but I refer to it as growth work and it's, you know, yeah, like let's, let's put the lipstick on the pig.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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But usually the people that choose to work with me really are growth minded and they, they have that idea of, Yes, I want something more.

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Yes, I want to still serve my purpose.

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They don't want to have a part time job that doesn't really mean anything or isn't very fulfilling.

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Yeah.

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I don't want to go work at Home Depot after I retire from teaching, you know, part time.

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Cause it's not fulfilling.

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I've been, you know, Filling young brains with information for years and I don't want to just punch a clock somewhere, right?

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But what can I do?

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And that's one of the things I think that really, you know, happens sometimes, especially with educators, especially with people in the healthcare field.

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They create this vision for other people and sometimes they forget about it for sure for themselves.

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It's a great reason to start with why and purpose and stuff, right?

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Like my purpose is to Yes.

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No, it's got to be a little bit bigger if you're going to take the next step.

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Absolutely, and have the commitment and the you know, the courage to step into that because that's, that's really what's gonna take.

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So these folks that in your weekly forum, are they?

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Like potential fully engaged people they're kind of feeling out some of the basics for now And then once it gets more real they might take you on in that capacity.

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Yes Yes, absolutely And they you know, sometimes if I'm working with people in I have an accelerator program.

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That's a seven week program I have a client who went through that program and she said that What she accomplished in that seven weeks she expected was going to take her two years, right?

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So it is a you know, so so in that program She's also part of the community when people are in my year long program.

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They're part of the community So the community fills a lot of different places Yes.

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Some people have mastered this particular skill, but they're still in the community and they can even feed into others in some ways.

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It's a great way to share ideas.

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It's a great way, you know, you know the benefits of community.

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It's powerful.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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They, sharing ideas and getting other people's perspectives, I think is one of the great things about having an online community.

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So, I guess for listeners out there, like, what are the, let's, let's go back to, I mean, everybody's watched, it starts with Y and Simon Sinek and stuff, right?

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But that's, like, that's the question, but how does, how does one of your clients, like, actually unfold that onion or peel it, right?

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Sure.

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So, I think Simon Sinek is wrong.

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Good.

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I just think he's smarmy.

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I don't know.

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Oh, he's totally smart.

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But I don't think they start No, smarmy is what I think.

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Oh, smarmy.

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Yeah, a little bit smarmy.

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Yeah.

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Well, I, I just think that we start with what?

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Okay.

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And here's the what that I think is really important.

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I'm going to like drum roll, brrrrr, right?

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Like pay attention to this one.

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Start with what.

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What do you want?

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What lights you up?

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What does the world need?

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What can you get paid for?

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Right.

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Yeah.

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And these, these are principles of ikigai.

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If you can find where all those circles come together, right?

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Yeah.

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That is your passion and purpose.

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And, and those are the principles of ikigai, which is, you know, not my, Creepy boyfriend.

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I was gonna say icky guy.

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Before I was married.

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Yeah, icky guy is a Japanese principle.

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Okay.

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That combines What do I love?

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What am I good at?

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What can I get paid to do?

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And what the world needs?

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And all of those come together to And that's where we find our purpose.

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And I love a Venn diagram, right?

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Okay.

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So I'm one of those very unusual people.

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I'm a counselor, a very much a people person, uh, you know, women's, but I love a Venn diagram.

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And that's part of the icky guy is the, uh, four circles coming together with purpose in the middle.

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Yeah.

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I've certainly seen that.

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I didn't remember the name.

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Icky guy.

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I've been called a creepy guy.

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Is that the same?

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No, it's not the same.

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It's not even G U I, it's G A I.

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I K I G A I.

00:16:48.115 --> 00:16:52.160
Um, what was that, uh, oh, I might be wrong.

00:16:52.530 --> 00:16:53.821
food trailer back in the day.

00:16:53.821 --> 00:16:57.451
I don't know if you ever, uh, participated in Bear's Backyard Grill.

00:16:57.730 --> 00:16:59.100
No, I did not.

00:16:59.110 --> 00:17:09.881
So I had a vegetarian, uh, slider, which was kind of marinated, uh, portabellos and griddled and on a slider sandwich with some yummy cheese and toppings.

00:17:09.881 --> 00:17:10.330
Sounds fabulous.

00:17:10.330 --> 00:17:13.570
And, uh, the name of it was, uh, Such a Fun Guy.

00:17:14.101 --> 00:17:14.951
Oh, a fun guy.

00:17:15.141 --> 00:17:15.260
Yeah.

00:17:16.830 --> 00:17:20.645
Well, I am a vegetarian and I, you know, We'd love to try such a fun guy.

00:17:21.675 --> 00:17:25.615
Tell your favorite vegetarian restaurant they can steal that if they would like.

00:17:25.685 --> 00:17:27.855
If that kind of, uh, I like it.

00:17:28.135 --> 00:17:30.026
What was, I had a squash taco.

00:17:30.026 --> 00:17:33.135
Oh, Sassy Squash Tacos was my other key vegetarian.

00:17:33.135 --> 00:17:37.125
Butternut squash, uh, marinated and griddled.

00:17:37.756 --> 00:17:38.625
Sounds good.

00:17:38.865 --> 00:17:40.806
I never made any of those backyard picnics.

00:17:40.806 --> 00:17:42.449
You might have to reignite those.

00:17:42.449 --> 00:17:44.146
Yeah, we can bring that out sometime here.

00:17:44.146 --> 00:17:45.875
Anyway, uh, where did we get, came onto that?

00:17:45.875 --> 00:17:46.336
From mushrooms.

00:17:46.336 --> 00:17:46.806
Icky Guy.

00:17:46.955 --> 00:17:47.445
Icky Guy.

00:17:47.445 --> 00:17:48.746
Oh, yeah, mushrooms and guys.

00:17:48.955 --> 00:17:50.375
Icky Guy, Creepy Guy.

00:17:50.715 --> 00:17:51.215
Fungi.

00:17:51.236 --> 00:17:51.695
Seth Godin.

00:17:51.695 --> 00:17:52.865
Yeah.

00:17:52.865 --> 00:17:53.096
Yeah.

00:17:53.355 --> 00:17:56.855
Um, okay, so we've defined our purpose.

00:17:56.855 --> 00:17:58.346
It's kind of that alignment thing.

00:17:58.576 --> 00:17:58.816
Yes.

00:17:58.816 --> 00:17:59.060
So.

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Clarity and then extreme focus.

00:18:01.840 --> 00:18:02.351
Mm hmm.

00:18:02.391 --> 00:18:13.611
Um, clarity is just kind of a refinement of that Venn diagram that we drew out, or is it more about clarity of actions that are needed?

00:18:13.750 --> 00:18:14.260
Both.

00:18:14.361 --> 00:18:14.750
Okay.

00:18:14.830 --> 00:18:15.290
Both.

00:18:15.590 --> 00:18:24.980
What, you know, what do you, so, let's say, here we are, we're on a podcast, let's say If you hated podcasting, would you do it?

00:18:25.161 --> 00:18:25.570
You know?

00:18:25.590 --> 00:18:25.760
No.

00:18:26.401 --> 00:18:30.851
So, so we look at, and you know, it's interesting because I've done a lot of speaking.

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I've been, I've done a TED talk and that kind of thing.

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For me, and for a lot of educators, getting up in front of a room and speaking isn't a big deal.

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However, If you're getting up to speak about your thing, I mean, it's interesting because, yeah, I was reflecting on this and when I was quite a bit younger, when I started my career in higher ed, I would get up in front of a room of, um, prospective students and their parents, I don't know, 500, maybe 1000 people.

00:19:02.246 --> 00:19:06.215
And I would be like, do this, do this, you know, go here, go there.

00:19:06.530 --> 00:19:06.980
Yeah.

00:19:07.310 --> 00:19:08.631
No big deal at all.

00:19:09.060 --> 00:19:18.951
And it can be terrifying to speak on a stage or to speak in front of a group of 10 or 12 people about Yeah.

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Your business, your passion, your purpose.

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Totally.

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And it sounds so funny that, well, why should I be afraid to talk about it?

00:19:26.171 --> 00:19:27.871
But it's a fear that a lot of people have.

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I have this, I've been a paddle raise auctioneer several times, a volunteer MC for, you know, 500, 800 person events.

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That's so easy.

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And get me up and talking about Loco Think Tank or the Loco Experience podcast in front of people.

00:19:44.020 --> 00:19:52.080
30 people or something and I'm scared or even have me do the invocation about something that's deeply meaningful to me at the Rotary Club.

00:19:53.060 --> 00:19:56.221
You know, I'll get all self conscious and voice cracky and stuff.

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Well, I will share with you something that I share with my clients and I, and, and I share this too.

00:20:01.865 --> 00:20:09.425
Um, as a way to really get into purpose, as a way, also as a way to just really get grounded.

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And I have people put one hand on their heart.

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We, you know, we have these different, um, brains in our body.

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We have, of course, our head, which is Americans we think about, use all the time.

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Um, but we have a heart center.

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I'm our heart center is also a thinking center and our belt.

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You've got your hand at your other hand on your belly.

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Yeah.

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Um, and I'll tell you why in a little bit, but keep going.

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Yeah.

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And so we breathe in and out through our belly and through our heart three times, three times in deep breath in through the nose, exhale through the mouth, in through the nose, out through the mouth.

00:20:48.931 --> 00:20:55.611
Like you're breathing through a straw and one more time and exhale.

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And you can feel the difference.

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I'm very relaxed.

00:21:02.395 --> 00:21:05.316
I exaggerate, but yeah, that was so relaxing to me.

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Because you're really into your body.

00:21:07.405 --> 00:21:22.346
Because sometimes we get into our head and we think about what we're thinking about instead of really being in the moment and present for who we are, what we want to express, and what we think we should be doing.

00:21:22.976 --> 00:21:23.695
We don't need to think.

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We can be.

00:21:25.326 --> 00:21:25.526
Yeah.

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Yeah, you know that the reason I smiled there is and I say that often But I think I don't know if you remember it from our freethink when you attended a freethink session a while back Mm hmm.

00:21:36.675 --> 00:21:39.346
And so we give that big list of suggestions, right?

00:21:39.346 --> 00:21:43.695
We got a dozen or 15 suggestions from the from the collaborative group here.

00:21:43.695 --> 00:21:54.756
Yes, and then You know, don't leave with 15 things to do, which are the 2 or 3 or 4 things, and I always say that that really got you right here, but especially right in the heart and in the gut.

00:21:54.836 --> 00:22:00.645
If, if you felt it in your heart or in your gut that that was, One of the things that you should do when you heard that suggestion.

00:22:00.776 --> 00:22:14.105
Yes, then commit to action on that suggestion It's aligned with what you should be doing probably Absolutely, and we can learn so much from our breath and like you said feeling it in our heart and feeling it in our gut I lived in Spain.

00:22:14.105 --> 00:22:29.435
I don't know if you knew that I lived in Spain for about six months And one of the things that, besides being an incredible all around experience, one of the way that their language is, instead of saying how we say, I think this, I think that, right?

00:22:29.526 --> 00:22:31.316
Again, we're like these talking heads.

00:22:31.736 --> 00:22:40.965
In Spain, if you ask somebody a question, and they might not be sure, the response is, creo que eso es, which would mean, I believe it's this.

00:22:41.135 --> 00:22:41.405
Yeah.

00:22:41.705 --> 00:22:43.465
You know, it's not a feeling.

00:22:43.726 --> 00:22:44.036
Yeah.

00:22:44.375 --> 00:22:56.256
And it's a believing, it's a believing and well, if you believe it is true, kind of, yeah, in some ways, uh, I mean, not just, just that, but it, yes, but it's true for you, at least in that moment.

00:22:56.316 --> 00:22:57.046
Absolutely.

00:22:57.086 --> 00:23:00.596
The way you've ordered your awareness of the world.

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Um, it corresponds to that right now.

00:23:04.155 --> 00:23:04.736
Yes.

00:23:05.336 --> 00:23:13.557
And we forget that because we get so It's Into all of the things and all of the moving parts.

00:23:13.557 --> 00:23:21.211
Well, and fear is like a big blurry lens that gets between you and that purpose, the what.

00:23:21.701 --> 00:23:21.951
Yes.

00:23:21.990 --> 00:23:22.881
Things like that, you know?

00:23:23.050 --> 00:23:23.080
Yes.

00:23:23.080 --> 00:23:26.671
And you're like, I can't, I'm so scared I can't see what I'm supposed to do very good.

00:23:26.830 --> 00:23:27.621
Exactly.

00:23:27.826 --> 00:23:28.546
Exactly.

00:23:28.556 --> 00:23:33.566
And, and that breath, it, it triggers the autonomic nervous system.

00:23:34.105 --> 00:23:40.726
So I was thinking to myself also that clarity thing really also starts with a clear awareness of where you are right now.

00:23:41.215 --> 00:23:41.665
Yes.

00:23:41.715 --> 00:23:42.006
Right.

00:23:42.006 --> 00:23:50.915
Like with every strategic planning, it's not just clarity of where I want to go, but clarity of where I am so that I can start to build that bridge from where I am to where I want to go.

00:23:51.036 --> 00:23:51.536
Yes.

00:23:51.635 --> 00:23:51.976
Yes.

00:23:52.006 --> 00:23:53.546
Build that strong foundation.

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Build that bridge.

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Fill that gap.

00:23:55.756 --> 00:23:56.226
However it is.

00:23:56.256 --> 00:23:57.066
Whatever that is.

00:23:57.066 --> 00:23:57.355
Right?

00:23:57.355 --> 00:23:57.756
Yeah.

00:23:57.756 --> 00:24:04.665
Like, I do occasionally engage with people where they're like, I'm going to buy a donut shop.

00:24:05.570 --> 00:24:15.810
And you're like, I don't really think this is gonna be right for you, or whatever, like, or, or what they have is an idea of what they should do, at least gets unflushed as maybe not.

00:24:16.871 --> 00:24:23.471
Usually, I work with service based businesses, um, and I guess a donut shop would be a, um.

00:24:23.611 --> 00:24:24.691
We fry your dough for you.

00:24:24.740 --> 00:24:25.740
That's right.

00:24:25.990 --> 00:24:26.891
It would be, yeah.

00:24:26.911 --> 00:24:29.580
But it's more, much more retail, much more overhead.

00:24:29.580 --> 00:24:32.961
You're talking a lot more consultative and different things like that.

00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:34.590
Yeah, it's consulting and coaching.

00:24:34.601 --> 00:24:34.691
Absolutely.

00:24:34.691 --> 00:24:40.861
Built off that foundation of teaching that they already have or caring for people in some capacity, social work, nursing.

00:24:41.131 --> 00:24:42.330
All of those things, yeah.

00:24:42.631 --> 00:24:42.881
Okay.

00:24:42.921 --> 00:24:43.211
Yeah.

00:24:43.590 --> 00:24:49.401
Um, and then the last of the three was, or maybe it's not the last, but the next one you mentioned was extreme focus.

00:24:49.520 --> 00:24:49.840
Yes.

00:24:50.121 --> 00:25:10.226
I, uh, we'd probably say extreme focus is something that I don't have a lot of cause I'm like, we were just talking before we went live about, you know, my life is kind of this chaotic cloud and I, Pull things out of it to focus on at that moment for a while Okay, which isn't necessarily positive.

00:25:10.226 --> 00:25:20.901
Although it it's part of how I roll a little bit in my my team Much more extreme focus like the amount of work that I only got done this Mid afternoon on some content stuff.

00:25:20.901 --> 00:25:30.361
I was like, dang, good job, you know, yeah, absolutely And knowing that about yourself and knowing where you need support Knowing what is yours to do is really important.

00:25:30.830 --> 00:25:32.451
You know, what is yours to do?

00:25:32.701 --> 00:25:34.601
Where is your zone of genius?

00:25:34.931 --> 00:25:35.961
And where do you need help?

00:25:36.161 --> 00:25:41.951
And you know, the reality is is we can't I mean, we think we can do it all alone.

00:25:41.951 --> 00:25:42.911
We can't really do it all.

00:25:43.030 --> 00:25:43.550
No.

00:25:44.070 --> 00:25:46.101
There's no, there's no such thing.

00:25:46.371 --> 00:25:46.671
Yeah.

00:25:46.711 --> 00:25:51.820
Like there's no solopreneur in the world that does it all alone.

00:25:51.891 --> 00:25:58.661
Like even, even the, the handyman has to go get nails from the store and, uh.

00:25:58.661 --> 00:25:58.901
Absolutely.

00:25:59.070 --> 00:26:04.580
You know, take dump runs and different things like there is no such thing really as a stand alone business.

00:26:04.671 --> 00:26:05.040
Right.

00:26:05.090 --> 00:26:07.161
And, and so what are you going to contract out?

00:26:07.171 --> 00:26:08.371
What's yours to do?

00:26:08.740 --> 00:26:20.070
And, you know, for me, one of the things that I do, because I don't, and it's interesting because I think coming from a world of, you know, higher ed, secondary education, there's so many things that are.

00:26:20.651 --> 00:26:22.480
Uh, and, and it's corporate too, right?

00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:27.590
There's so many things that are on our platter that are like, that are given to us that we have to do.

00:26:27.590 --> 00:26:29.721
And there's a lot of bureaucracy that's just part of the thing.

00:26:29.861 --> 00:26:30.221
Right.

00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:30.550
Right.

00:26:30.560 --> 00:26:35.401
And you know, and then being an entrepreneur, it's like, okay, well what am I going to do with my time?

00:26:35.540 --> 00:26:42.881
And, and one of the things that I do and I really encourage my clients to do too is, you know, at the beginning of the month.

00:26:43.306 --> 00:26:47.195
Say, Okay, what is it that that I want to happen this month?

00:26:47.195 --> 00:26:48.776
What is it that I want to achieve?

00:26:49.125 --> 00:27:09.760
And it's not necessarily like, you know, putting down, I'm going to do this for five minutes a day, although you could do that, you know, but every morning, taking a few moments taking a few breaths, you know, I have a meditation and a journaling practice and, you know, And I schedule out my day, and I schedule out my week, and then the things that are meant to get done, get done.

00:27:09.760 --> 00:27:14.310
If you get those big three each day, or big five each day, or whatever, you'd be surprised how much progress you make.

00:27:14.671 --> 00:27:14.980
Exactly.

00:27:15.040 --> 00:27:15.721
Yeah, I agree with that.

00:27:15.721 --> 00:27:16.050
Yeah.

00:27:16.050 --> 00:27:19.721
And I've actually Um, been improving in that myself lately.

00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:32.211
The reason you saw me smiling big just now is when I first left banking, before Think Tank, before my food trailer or anything, I was Bear Capital Advisors.

00:27:33.020 --> 00:27:41.351
And the first blog I wrote Uh, in that capacity was, uh, with both horror and excitement, there's no one to tell me what to do.

00:27:41.840 --> 00:27:42.381
Right.

00:27:43.111 --> 00:27:53.980
And, uh, you spoke directly to that topic, uh, you know, when you're a banker, when you're a teacher, when you're a nurse, like there's always something put in front of you that needs to get done.

00:27:54.060 --> 00:27:55.230
A physician and a surgeon.

00:27:55.230 --> 00:27:55.701
Sorry about that.

00:27:55.730 --> 00:27:56.851
Yeah, no, it's okay.

00:27:57.161 --> 00:28:04.020
Yeah, physicians, surgeons, um, you know, x ray, people in x ray and there's all, there's a schedule.

00:28:04.020 --> 00:28:04.580
Right.

00:28:04.661 --> 00:28:04.671
Yeah.

00:28:04.671 --> 00:28:04.681
Okay.

00:28:05.161 --> 00:28:07.730
Yeah, almost every minute is semi scheduled.

00:28:07.740 --> 00:28:08.441
You got some things.

00:28:08.441 --> 00:28:14.550
You got to take these notes for this patient or these things, whatever, grade these papers at home while you're watching football with your husband on the couch.

00:28:15.661 --> 00:28:18.280
But there's also just the, here's the flow.

00:28:18.891 --> 00:28:19.250
Exactly.

00:28:19.340 --> 00:28:23.451
And you got to step out of that to really be innovative and creative in your roles.

00:28:23.451 --> 00:28:24.740
And a lot of teachers are awesome.

00:28:24.740 --> 00:28:31.871
I mean, my Rotary Club recognizes a teacher of the month every month and to hear some of the innovations that they bring in and share and stuff.

00:28:31.871 --> 00:28:33.050
It's amazing.

00:28:33.171 --> 00:28:33.550
Yes.

00:28:33.945 --> 00:28:35.925
And it takes stepping out of.

00:28:36.455 --> 00:28:39.395
The routine almost even to make space for that.

00:28:39.496 --> 00:28:40.306
Absolutely.

00:28:40.306 --> 00:28:40.655
It does.

00:28:41.786 --> 00:28:45.546
And as a practice, then they're not really experiencing stepping out of the routine.

00:28:45.786 --> 00:28:46.236
Right.

00:28:46.486 --> 00:28:46.776
Right.

00:28:46.865 --> 00:28:52.155
I imagine that's gotta be quite the almost traumatic element for some.

00:28:52.246 --> 00:28:53.715
I guess it can be.

00:28:53.736 --> 00:28:56.445
Or, or rejuvenating and joyful, if you.

00:28:57.911 --> 00:28:58.740
Put it in the right place.

00:28:58.780 --> 00:29:10.431
Well, there's, yeah, and there's this whole idea of, you know, many educators, many people who have that kind of, you know, there's like a, and I would say this is true with entrepreneurs as well.

00:29:10.431 --> 00:29:16.500
You know, there are seasons of how things work that align with, you know, the seasons of the year.

00:29:16.990 --> 00:29:20.921
And, you know, you, you hear about people who.

00:29:21.441 --> 00:29:26.411
You know, to your point, like, all right, well, I'm going to collapse on the couch and grade papers or things like that.

00:29:26.421 --> 00:29:33.730
But, but taking time, and I mentioned that I, um, was able to live in Spain for six months and I did a sabbatical.

00:29:33.911 --> 00:29:34.101
Oh.

00:29:34.770 --> 00:29:42.560
So that was at the, it was very interesting because at the time I was working in a large school district here in Northern Colorado.

00:29:42.971 --> 00:29:47.471
And I don't know how many employees are in the district, thousands.

00:29:47.510 --> 00:29:48.851
Are you talking a big Thompson pooter?

00:29:48.851 --> 00:29:49.030
Yeah.

00:29:49.101 --> 00:29:49.911
Mm hmm.

00:29:49.911 --> 00:29:49.941
Yep.

00:29:49.951 --> 00:29:51.080
I was in Poudre School District.

00:29:51.270 --> 00:29:51.560
All right.

00:29:51.631 --> 00:29:52.500
And I, I don't know.

00:29:52.701 --> 00:29:53.750
I, I really don't know.

00:29:54.050 --> 00:29:54.590
Thousands for sure.

00:29:54.601 --> 00:29:55.461
But thousands.

00:29:55.490 --> 00:29:57.820
Thousands of professional educators.

00:29:58.381 --> 00:30:01.280
And um, the year that And just as many administrators.

00:30:01.431 --> 00:30:01.861
Probably.

00:30:03.121 --> 00:30:03.800
Probably.

00:30:04.280 --> 00:30:16.570
And the year that I applied for sabbatical, I'll never forget this, so the email came across my computer, you know, in my email system and I, I just knew that I was going to apply for that sabbatical.

00:30:16.570 --> 00:30:16.990
Oh, okay.

00:30:16.990 --> 00:30:17.111
Okay.

00:30:17.111 --> 00:30:18.020
I knew.

00:30:18.661 --> 00:30:32.141
Um, with everything that I am and everything that I was, and I worked at a school that was a high Spanish speaking population, and I had always wanted to live overseas, since I had my grandma, both of my grandparents.

00:30:32.141 --> 00:30:35.480
Circum y here, by the way, uh, like what year ish was this?

00:30:35.550 --> 00:30:38.770
Oh yeah, this was in 2010.

00:30:38.965 --> 00:30:39.276
Okay.

00:30:39.316 --> 00:30:40.155
So it's been a minute.

00:30:40.395 --> 00:30:40.476
Yeah.

00:30:40.476 --> 00:30:40.625
Yeah.

00:30:40.665 --> 00:30:43.726
And they don't offer sabbatical anymore, which is very interesting.

00:30:43.816 --> 00:30:56.695
I, I have a lot of, there's a lot of interesting information about sabbatical, but, um, so I applied for sabbatical and I was like, I'm going to get all the things done, you know, cross all the T's, dot all the I's, make sure everything gets done on time.

00:30:57.355 --> 00:31:03.096
And one, when my sabbatical was accepted, I think there were seven people.

00:31:03.096 --> 00:31:03.435
Okay.

00:31:03.516 --> 00:31:03.875
Okay.

00:31:03.875 --> 00:31:03.945
Yeah.

00:31:04.336 --> 00:31:09.726
7 people in the entire district that had applied for sabbatical.

00:31:10.276 --> 00:31:13.516
I think only 3 of us, and all 7 got it.

00:31:13.526 --> 00:31:16.865
I thought it was going to be this highly competitive, right, because can you imagine?

00:31:17.115 --> 00:31:18.715
I mean, I did have a small stipend.

00:31:18.715 --> 00:31:25.316
It wasn't a fully paid, um, but I did have a stipend and I was guaranteed a job when I came back.

00:31:25.326 --> 00:31:25.885
Right, right.

00:31:25.885 --> 00:31:27.056
And I think 3 of us.

00:31:27.580 --> 00:31:28.711
took to sabbatical.

00:31:28.711 --> 00:31:30.681
It wasn't like there was a cohort or anything.

00:31:30.881 --> 00:31:30.911
Right.

00:31:30.911 --> 00:31:31.221
Right.

00:31:31.221 --> 00:31:38.520
But like, so you talk about stepping out of the normal routine of education.

00:31:38.530 --> 00:31:40.760
It can be terrifying for people.

00:31:40.770 --> 00:31:40.790
Yeah.

00:31:40.881 --> 00:31:57.381
And I would imagine that probably most professions, You know, I think if you go to, I don't know if you have some kind of innovation or something that you want to work on that might be very specifically related to curriculum, I don't know, but it was very small and I was very surprised.

00:31:57.381 --> 00:32:07.625
And I think one of the pieces of the work that I do is to help people realize if they have that passion, Yeah.

00:32:07.736 --> 00:32:16.655
And they have this desire to create and innovate and share something because there's so much wisdom in that.

00:32:17.286 --> 00:32:32.736
People who've worked in these kind of fields and they have so much to share, you know, and whether they continue with their job or they continue and then decide, okay, I'm ready to take the jump and move into what's next.

00:32:33.486 --> 00:32:37.925
I love working with them because they just, they have huge hearts for what they're doing.

00:32:37.925 --> 00:32:41.086
Do you ever tell anybody, like, I'd love to work with you, but.

00:32:41.865 --> 00:32:43.635
Just go take two months first.

00:32:45.955 --> 00:32:48.526
No, I haven't done that because, because here's why.

00:32:48.846 --> 00:32:50.615
You can set them up better probably for that.

00:32:50.715 --> 00:32:57.135
Well, and it, you know, so I talked about the Venn Diagram, the Ikigai Venn Diagram, and I have another Venn Diagram that I love.

00:32:57.445 --> 00:33:04.685
Uh, when I worked with students, I had, um, we worked with them with their social, emotional, and academic needs.

00:33:05.195 --> 00:33:05.726
Excellent.

00:33:05.806 --> 00:33:05.925
Right.

00:33:06.125 --> 00:33:09.346
And that was going to make a successful student in the next level.

00:33:09.826 --> 00:33:18.415
And when I work with people in their encore career, you know, we look at what's your skill set, what's your mindset and what's your tool set.

00:33:19.016 --> 00:33:26.715
And that mindset piece is, you know, people have very strong ideas about who they are.

00:33:27.105 --> 00:33:29.746
And so it's like, and what is that going to look like?

00:33:29.996 --> 00:33:30.145
Yeah.

00:33:30.976 --> 00:33:34.766
And when we asked that question again, What do you want?

00:33:35.576 --> 00:33:42.226
And you've been living in a certain way for a certain amount of years, 10, 20, 30, you might not know.

00:33:42.256 --> 00:33:43.205
Like, what would that look like?

00:33:43.955 --> 00:33:47.955
What would it look like to, you know, to live overseas for six months or, you know?

00:33:48.086 --> 00:33:48.496
Yeah, yeah.

00:33:48.546 --> 00:33:53.615
So, so that would be something like a next level, that would be a next level decision, I think.

00:33:53.635 --> 00:33:56.695
Unless someone came to me and said they wanted to do it, I'd be all for it.

00:33:56.695 --> 00:33:59.316
Sure, yeah, I'd plan that out for you, for sure.

00:33:59.445 --> 00:33:59.855
Yeah.

00:33:59.905 --> 00:34:06.500
When I, uh, when I moved to Colorado Springs, um, back in 2004, Mm hmm.

00:34:06.500 --> 00:34:07.607
Circum y.

00:34:07.607 --> 00:34:08.715
Circum y.

00:34:08.876 --> 00:34:15.106
So I was with Bank of Colorado in Windsor and they had acquired a handful of banks in Colorado Springs, three of them.

00:34:15.585 --> 00:34:22.106
And, uh, they kind of wanted a company man down there just to make sure they knew what they were doing in the Bank of Colorado way and stuff.

00:34:22.106 --> 00:34:24.865
And I was a couple years in, three years in with them.

00:34:25.496 --> 00:34:33.416
Um, and my new boss, this guy named Rob Alexander, uh, had been the guy that sold the banks but was still there running them.

00:34:34.326 --> 00:34:38.496
And, uh, what was it, Rob never heard a good idea that wasn't his?

00:34:40.036 --> 00:34:42.646
was how I heard him described before it was pretty accurate.

00:34:42.826 --> 00:34:43.005
Mm-Hmm.

00:34:43.335 --> 00:34:48.606
And, uh, but I had already had a 30 day vacation plan.

00:34:48.666 --> 00:34:55.516
My wife's parents were taking us to Greece for three weeks and then a week in Italy.

00:34:55.666 --> 00:34:56.295
Nice.

00:34:56.476 --> 00:35:01.985
And, uh, told that to Rob during like the interview process.

00:35:02.016 --> 00:35:03.695
'cause it was like four or six months out.

00:35:03.695 --> 00:35:05.286
But it was like, dude, I'm gonna be gone for a month.

00:35:05.286 --> 00:35:05.615
Right.

00:35:05.706 --> 00:35:06.096
Yeah.

00:35:06.215 --> 00:35:09.806
And he was like, well, I guess I've always.

00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:13.860
Heard that if you can do without somebody for a month, you can do without them, period.

00:35:15.411 --> 00:35:17.110
Wow, bold statement.

00:35:17.320 --> 00:35:18.530
I was like, whatever, asshole.

00:35:18.751 --> 00:35:19.170
Yeah.

00:35:19.780 --> 00:35:20.411
It's a bank.

00:35:20.411 --> 00:35:22.570
It's not a freaking retail store.

00:35:22.601 --> 00:35:25.280
Like, we'll make a couple less loans that month.

00:35:25.311 --> 00:35:26.885
Like, Or not.

00:35:27.005 --> 00:35:27.675
Or not.

00:35:27.695 --> 00:35:27.896
Right.

00:35:27.896 --> 00:35:28.266
Yeah.

00:35:28.306 --> 00:35:30.365
Like, you've got everything set up, right?

00:35:30.416 --> 00:35:45.335
Well, and things, it's, you know, it was a commercial banker, so, you know, it takes a long time to attract clients to, Hey, do you want to close all your old accounts and move them over to my bank and get a loan and give me all your taxes for the last three years plus some projections and stuff?

00:35:45.476 --> 00:35:46.476
Sure, it's going to take a minute.

00:35:46.896 --> 00:35:47.456
It does.

00:35:47.835 --> 00:35:49.096
Uh, anyway, I digress.

00:35:49.106 --> 00:35:58.351
But when you were talking about that sabbatical in such full Um, a small number, especially of teachers, man, what a, if you're a teacher out there and you've never applied for, oh, they don't have it anymore.

00:35:58.670 --> 00:35:58.971
They don't.

00:35:58.981 --> 00:36:00.340
Maybe at Big Thompson they do.

00:36:00.340 --> 00:36:00.541
I don't know.

00:36:00.550 --> 00:36:00.871
Yeah.

00:36:01.300 --> 00:36:03.010
And there might, there might be other places that they do.

00:36:03.010 --> 00:36:09.061
And if you're listening, superintendent of schools at Poudre School District, cause I know you're a fan, maybe you should bring the sabbatical back.

00:36:09.260 --> 00:36:18.081
Like it would really, like in your case especially, like I'll come back with a much stronger grasp of Spanish, which will make me a better teacher for the rest of my career.

00:36:18.311 --> 00:36:18.541
Oh.

00:36:18.550 --> 00:36:18.570
Yeah.

00:36:18.590 --> 00:36:24.541
And, and for me, the, there, You know, it, this is the same with entrepreneurship, right?

00:36:25.061 --> 00:36:26.451
We don't know what we don't know.

00:36:26.610 --> 00:36:27.030
Totally.

00:36:27.161 --> 00:36:28.420
We don't know what we don't know.

00:36:28.451 --> 00:36:31.911
And I went to Spain to learn Spanish language and culture.

00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:40.130
That was the, the point, but what actually happened, but what actually happened is it opened me to.

00:36:40.490 --> 00:36:49.791
So many different, you know, the example that I used before saying, I believe versus I think that is just a small, small piece.

00:36:50.710 --> 00:36:56.751
I mean, my whole brain matrix is rewired because there's a different way that I speak.

00:36:57.481 --> 00:37:03.760
And I lived with a family who, um, the woman was about my age, maybe a couple of years older.

00:37:03.760 --> 00:37:06.990
And I refer to her my as my cousin, you know, kids.

00:37:07.391 --> 00:37:08.760
College students who study abroad.

00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:12.300
So it was like a, like a VRBO before there was such a thing, kind of thing?

00:37:12.311 --> 00:37:13.831
No, it was like an exchange student.

00:37:13.831 --> 00:37:15.661
Oh, it was actually through an exchange program.

00:37:15.670 --> 00:37:17.780
Well, it wasn't through an exchange program.

00:37:17.780 --> 00:37:21.400
Here's a note to anybody who's at the university level.

00:37:21.411 --> 00:37:31.445
Don't go through the university, I, I, I, Um, when I worked in higher ed, um, they were like, Oh, you can pay the same as your private school tuition and you can go anywhere in the world.

00:37:31.576 --> 00:37:31.876
Right, right.

00:37:31.876 --> 00:37:32.626
Well, guess what?

00:37:32.896 --> 00:37:37.396
In Spain, tuition at the time was about 1, 000 a year.

00:37:37.525 --> 00:37:37.865
Oh.

00:37:39.096 --> 00:37:39.496
Yeah.

00:37:39.726 --> 00:37:43.755
And I paid for my room and board, which was set up through the Spanish university.

00:37:43.766 --> 00:37:47.936
I was at the University of Alicante and it was set up to live with a family.

00:37:47.996 --> 00:37:54.606
Just like, you know, I mean, it was hilarious because I was an adult and, and there were a lot of.

00:37:54.751 --> 00:37:56.601
college students that I became friends with.

00:37:56.601 --> 00:37:58.940
Mostly people were taking in 22 year olds and stuff.

00:37:58.990 --> 00:37:59.440
Yes.

00:37:59.811 --> 00:37:59.960
Yeah.

00:38:01.030 --> 00:38:06.150
So I became really good friends with, and I'm still friends with, the family that I live with.

00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:09.740
My husband and I visited Valencia last year.

00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:14.411
And we took some time and visited my family in Alicante.

00:38:14.630 --> 00:38:15.371
My husband went off.

00:38:15.371 --> 00:38:20.320
I have, I have other family, um, biological family in Alicante.

00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:20.380
Okay.

00:38:20.380 --> 00:38:23.411
And he went with my dad to, to visit our biological family.

00:38:23.731 --> 00:38:26.610
And I visited with my, my host family.

00:38:27.161 --> 00:38:41.510
And we saw each other in front of the restaurant and we just stood there and cried, you know, because we just had this reunion and we, and I really was able to learn, you know, I mean, you talk about social emotional learning because I really wanted to connect with this person.

00:38:42.201 --> 00:38:42.581
Yeah.

00:38:42.670 --> 00:38:52.960
And we're, we're dear friends to this day and it's definitely, you know, given me a broader perspective and change the way I see myself and change the way I think and yeah.

00:38:53.431 --> 00:38:56.471
Well, and you can, it's such an interesting thing.

00:38:57.016 --> 00:38:59.255
To go back to that think versus believe.

00:38:59.416 --> 00:38:59.885
Yes.

00:38:59.896 --> 00:39:04.425
You know, I think I'm beautiful is a different statement than I believe I'm beautiful.

00:39:04.465 --> 00:39:05.496
100%.

00:39:05.496 --> 00:39:09.436
I think I'm capable is a different statement than I believe I'm capable.

00:39:09.565 --> 00:39:10.956
You know, in different ways.

00:39:11.036 --> 00:39:13.186
I think, I think I can double my income.

00:39:13.525 --> 00:39:13.826
Right.

00:39:13.865 --> 00:39:14.775
I believe.

00:39:15.251 --> 00:39:15.460
Yeah.

00:39:15.481 --> 00:39:15.971
I can double.

00:39:16.291 --> 00:39:20.860
I believe that I have what it takes to double my income.

00:39:20.981 --> 00:39:27.550
I believe that I can make a difference in the world is different than, yeah, I think I can do that.

00:39:27.661 --> 00:39:27.880
Yeah.

00:39:27.880 --> 00:39:28.141
Right.

00:39:28.141 --> 00:39:28.431
Right.

00:39:28.581 --> 00:39:29.521
I mean, I get it.

00:39:29.541 --> 00:39:31.201
The intonation in my voice is different.

00:39:31.210 --> 00:39:31.851
Well, it is.

00:39:31.860 --> 00:39:32.880
There's some flippancy.

00:39:32.920 --> 00:39:33.380
And there's.

00:39:33.630 --> 00:39:34.400
Yeah, I dig it.

00:39:34.521 --> 00:39:35.340
I'm, I'm, I'm down.

00:39:35.541 --> 00:39:35.871
Yeah.

00:39:35.951 --> 00:39:38.110
Um, Make sure I'm drinking water this time.

00:39:38.121 --> 00:39:40.291
We're gonna jump in the time machine here pretty quick.

00:39:40.311 --> 00:39:48.840
What, uh, what else would you want folks to know about kind of the practice of, uh, uncovering that, uh, encore?

00:39:49.161 --> 00:40:05.085
Uh, whether or not it's with you, but I, I think that's, like, as the world has adapted and careers are, Um, shorter and different and more varied and there's, you know, weird like freelancing things and all kinds of like, um, they're not weird.

00:40:05.085 --> 00:40:05.976
They're amazing.

00:40:05.976 --> 00:40:06.405
They're awesome.

00:40:06.596 --> 00:40:06.945
They're awesome.

00:40:07.346 --> 00:40:07.556
Yeah.

00:40:07.565 --> 00:40:08.856
Compared to, not weird.

00:40:09.025 --> 00:40:26.936
Uh, we'll just say there's so many different chapters available, you know, like when I think about when you think about the average kid in 1967 or 75 or 85 or even, you know, today, I mean, in the nineties.

00:40:27.226 --> 00:40:30.056
Like the world hasn't started to change so fast.

00:40:30.056 --> 00:40:36.815
You know, you were imagining you go to college and then if you're an engineer, you go work for an airplane manufacturer or some kind of company.

00:40:36.815 --> 00:40:46.706
If you're a finance person, you go work for a bank or if you're a computer science person, you go work for IBM or something, HP.

00:40:47.306 --> 00:40:49.655
Now it's like so much more fragmented.

00:40:49.655 --> 00:40:51.815
We still have those big employers in some places.

00:40:52.615 --> 00:40:52.635
Yeah.

00:40:52.646 --> 00:41:00.126
But it's a whole different realm of, like, people almost plan to have five plus chapters in their career journey now.

00:41:00.235 --> 00:41:01.215
Absolutely.

00:41:01.356 --> 00:41:02.985
Whereas that wasn't the norm for most of your clients.

00:41:04.331 --> 00:41:06.201
That's really interesting that you say that.

00:41:06.210 --> 00:41:14.521
And, um, my husband left, um, HP several years ago and, and he talked about starting his second career.

00:41:14.521 --> 00:41:17.090
And he's like, Oh yeah, Julie and I are on our second career.

00:41:17.090 --> 00:41:44.610
And I'm like, Oh yeah, no, this isn't my second career because what I, because when I started as an educator, I had, I had had other, I had worked as a photographer through high school, through high school and through college and, you know, worked my way into management and, you know, I had lots of, I worked in sales and I had a lot of really cool experiences, but I also realized that wasn't necessarily normal.

00:41:45.041 --> 00:41:46.701
And I think, yeah.

00:41:47.061 --> 00:41:52.440
So for you, in some ways, getting back into entrepreneurship was more normal, more right?

00:41:52.690 --> 00:41:54.391
It, it felt.

00:41:54.920 --> 00:42:11.775
It felt like the right thing for me to do at the time, and I mean, I think that's one of the things that I really help people with is, you know, I really believe that if we have this, like, desire or we want to do something, like, It's there for us to do.

00:42:11.815 --> 00:42:27.396
Like, if, if there's something that we've been feeling for a long time, like, yeah, I want to do this, right, it's, it might not be like the Big Bang explosion or something, but it's like this, this consistent voice that is like, yeah, Kurt, you should do this.

00:42:28.135 --> 00:42:28.476
Right?

00:42:29.025 --> 00:42:30.420
That, that's, that's our goal.

00:42:30.681 --> 00:42:32.021
That's our heart's desire.

00:42:32.021 --> 00:42:32.981
That's our purpose.

00:42:32.990 --> 00:42:33.681
So yeah.

00:42:33.701 --> 00:42:34.530
Those doors can be open.

00:42:34.780 --> 00:42:35.670
Absolutely.

00:42:35.701 --> 00:42:39.101
Well, I am going to jump us in the time machine here momentarily.

00:42:39.240 --> 00:42:39.771
Okay.

00:42:39.820 --> 00:42:41.271
But first I'm going to call it potty break.

00:42:41.431 --> 00:42:41.900
Okay.

00:42:42.110 --> 00:42:42.501
Okay.

00:42:42.501 --> 00:42:43.070
We'll be right back.

00:42:43.121 --> 00:42:43.561
Okay.

00:42:45.061 --> 00:42:49.840
Like just being a banker and dressing like a banker is supposed to and stuff like that.

00:42:49.840 --> 00:42:54.431
And this isn't disrespectful, but you know, the green on green is fun.

00:42:54.431 --> 00:42:59.771
And I've even got, uh, lucky brew socks on from Mandy Mullins organization over there.

00:42:59.960 --> 00:43:00.601
Nice.

00:43:00.775 --> 00:43:05.255
So, um, oh yeah, we were gonna get in the time machine when we came back from the break.

00:43:05.485 --> 00:43:12.405
Yeah, and I, um, I asked you if we're going forward or going back because I do have a, I do have a forward time machine piece too.

00:43:12.476 --> 00:43:13.175
Do you want me to go there first?

00:43:13.175 --> 00:43:14.585
Actually, let's go there first.

00:43:14.585 --> 00:43:15.786
Yeah, where are you going with this?

00:43:17.251 --> 00:43:18.891
Well, it's just zoom up there.

00:43:19.010 --> 00:43:19.811
We can just zoom there.

00:43:19.811 --> 00:43:20.030
Yeah.

00:43:20.141 --> 00:43:20.391
Yeah.

00:43:20.391 --> 00:43:23.880
I just want to zoom there because, um, what, what year are we zooming to?

00:43:23.951 --> 00:43:25.581
I have to punch in when I'm old.

00:43:25.590 --> 00:43:31.190
I don't really know when I'm old, but it's going to be a long time, 40 years or something, 40 years from now.

00:43:31.210 --> 00:43:31.440
Yeah.

00:43:31.501 --> 00:43:31.800
Yeah.

00:43:31.860 --> 00:43:32.121
Yeah.

00:43:32.150 --> 00:43:32.851
40 years from now.

00:43:32.891 --> 00:43:37.420
So 20, uh, 64, 20, 64.

00:43:37.871 --> 00:43:41.630
So, um, my husband and I have been practicing.

00:43:41.661 --> 00:43:46.570
I've been a martial arts student for about 10 years, which is.

00:43:50.860 --> 00:44:01.650
So, uh, I started practicing Kung Fu because I thought it would be a good, I'd heard that it was going to be a good way to get in shape for my wedding when Mark and I got married, like about, you know, 10 years ago.

00:44:02.210 --> 00:44:05.161
And, uh, so it was like, all right, I'm taking Kung Fu.

00:44:05.161 --> 00:44:06.206
And I really, really like Kung Fu.

00:44:06.206 --> 00:44:07.945
I really like it.

00:44:08.606 --> 00:44:13.155
And, uh, before the wedding, we started to spar.

00:44:13.286 --> 00:44:14.215
Not my husband and I.

00:44:15.005 --> 00:44:17.425
We started to spar in Kung Fu.

00:44:17.905 --> 00:44:19.905
And I was like, oh yeah, no, don't hit me.

00:44:19.985 --> 00:44:21.275
I do not want to be hit.

00:44:21.295 --> 00:44:22.385
I don't want to be bruised.

00:44:22.416 --> 00:44:22.945
I don't.

00:44:23.056 --> 00:44:23.266
Yeah.

00:44:23.286 --> 00:44:23.746
All those things.

00:44:23.755 --> 00:44:26.576
No, I do not want to show up with bruises all over me.

00:44:27.780 --> 00:44:33.880
Long story short, a teacher came in from a different school, a different quown, and he started teaching Tai Chi.

00:44:34.911 --> 00:44:41.934
And so we have been practicing Tai Chi for podcast for the first time in, um, nine years.

00:44:41.934 --> 00:44:45.840
And what I always say is when I'm an old Chinese person, I am not Chinese at all.

00:44:45.860 --> 00:44:47.210
You can't see that on a podcast.

00:44:47.210 --> 00:44:50.530
But I'm like, when we're old Chinese people, we're going to be doing Tai Chi in the park.

00:44:50.530 --> 00:44:51.291
Yeah.

00:44:51.291 --> 00:44:51.550
Yeah.

00:44:51.561 --> 00:44:51.780
Okay.

00:44:51.920 --> 00:44:53.300
I'm actually Norwegian.

00:44:53.300 --> 00:44:54.052
That's the end game.

00:44:54.052 --> 00:44:54.239
And.

00:44:54.239 --> 00:44:54.802
Oh, you're Norwegian.

00:44:54.802 --> 00:44:55.510
I'm Norwegian.

00:44:55.510 --> 00:44:58.380
So it's your other side of your family is Spanish or?

00:44:58.400 --> 00:44:59.021
No, I have.

00:44:59.021 --> 00:44:59.396
No, I don't have.

00:44:59.396 --> 00:45:00.360
Just Norwegian family.

00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:02.251
I thought you said you had extended family in Spain.

00:45:02.581 --> 00:45:04.751
They are Norwegian and they have a place in Spain.

00:45:04.751 --> 00:45:05.280
Okay, cool.

00:45:05.451 --> 00:45:05.860
All right.

00:45:05.860 --> 00:45:06.931
Yeah, yeah, you're right.

00:45:06.931 --> 00:45:07.581
I did say that.

00:45:07.581 --> 00:45:09.771
I'm sure a lot of Norwegians probably have a place in Spain if they can afford it.

00:45:09.891 --> 00:45:11.081
You are correct.

00:45:11.110 --> 00:45:12.181
You are very correct.

00:45:12.481 --> 00:45:18.621
But one of the things that I love about my martial arts practice is part of the kung fu.

00:45:19.630 --> 00:45:23.070
That I'm learning is sword form, and I love it.

00:45:23.070 --> 00:45:29.990
So any of my online presents, I have photographs of me with my sword, and I love it.

00:45:30.010 --> 00:45:31.121
It's all about presence.

00:45:31.260 --> 00:45:32.201
It's all about purpose.

00:45:32.201 --> 00:45:35.771
It's all about really, you know, because you've got a three foot sword.

00:45:36.291 --> 00:45:39.260
Sword, you're swinging around, you're practicing at home.

00:45:39.661 --> 00:45:47.460
And if Mark's doing the same thing, that's six feet of metal rolling around and you really have to pay attention and you really have to have a lot of presence and purpose with that.

00:45:47.460 --> 00:45:48.181
So yeah.

00:45:48.181 --> 00:45:49.831
So that's the, that's the late chapter.

00:45:50.041 --> 00:45:51.190
That's the late chapter.

00:45:51.260 --> 00:45:51.471
Yeah.

00:45:51.471 --> 00:45:55.760
That's where I'm going in 40 years, but you can take, take us back in the time machine wherever.

00:45:55.900 --> 00:45:56.431
No, that's good.

00:45:56.431 --> 00:45:56.860
That's good.

00:45:56.860 --> 00:45:57.240
That's good.

00:45:57.240 --> 00:46:09.175
I, I was just reflecting, this is a dumb little memory, but years and years ago before I met Well, I met Jill, my wife, now, but before we started dating or anything, I lived with these two girls.

00:46:09.666 --> 00:46:14.585
And somewhere, somehow, I found like a garage sale or something?

00:46:15.115 --> 00:46:17.425
Like a practice martial arts sword?

00:46:17.565 --> 00:46:17.925
A wooden one?

00:46:18.175 --> 00:46:18.376
What?

00:46:18.666 --> 00:46:21.701
Like a, like a Three foot, four foot, wooden sword.

00:46:21.701 --> 00:46:25.911
It had a blunt edge, but it was, like, it was an amazing weapon.

00:46:26.621 --> 00:46:32.911
And I gifted that to the girls, because I was living in the basement, and I was like, well, here's your defensive weapon.

00:46:32.920 --> 00:46:37.831
Because, you know, we were young people, and they never lived far away, and whatever.

00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:43.271
Anyway, so, yeah, I don't know why, but, uh, What a piece of wood that was.

00:46:43.871 --> 00:46:44.351
Oh yeah.

00:46:44.380 --> 00:46:49.320
Like the balance of it, I remember it was just like this finely crafted piece of wood.

00:46:49.320 --> 00:46:50.831
You must have had a good one, yeah.

00:46:50.871 --> 00:46:53.190
Yeah, I don't know if I got it at a pawn shop or whatever it was.

00:46:53.210 --> 00:46:55.530
I was broke as a joke, so I'm sure I didn't spend any money on it.

00:46:55.530 --> 00:46:57.161
But it was, I wonder where it is today.

00:46:57.411 --> 00:47:00.900
My sword, I really like, so it's funny too.

00:47:00.900 --> 00:47:04.101
So I have a, Is it sharp?

00:47:04.561 --> 00:47:04.581
No.

00:47:04.590 --> 00:47:04.920
Okay.

00:47:04.990 --> 00:47:05.820
No, it's a practice.

00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:06.780
It's a play sword.

00:47:06.780 --> 00:47:06.951
Yeah.

00:47:07.001 --> 00:47:07.181
Yeah.

00:47:07.210 --> 00:47:09.460
But, but I, it is so fun.

00:47:09.481 --> 00:47:11.990
You'd have to really be trying to kill Mark with it.

00:47:11.990 --> 00:47:15.860
We could, we could hurt each other or really, really make a mess of our house.

00:47:15.860 --> 00:47:18.231
Or your relationship.

00:47:18.231 --> 00:47:18.900
Yeah.

00:47:18.900 --> 00:47:20.110
I mean, so you get, so.

00:47:20.465 --> 00:47:24.925
You know, you could poke your eye out with that thing, right, you know, a little Christmas story thing.

00:47:24.925 --> 00:47:36.585
But, um, yeah, so the interesting, another interesting thing about it is, so I have a son who's an adult now, and when he was a child, never, ever, ever did I let him play with weapons.

00:47:36.885 --> 00:47:39.936
He didn't have any guns, he didn't have any toy guns, anything like that.

00:47:40.815 --> 00:47:49.115
And after he graduated from college, he enlisted in the Army, served in the Army Rangers, two tours in Afghanistan, two combat tours in Afghanistan.

00:47:49.960 --> 00:47:50.201
Yeah.

00:47:50.201 --> 00:47:53.981
So I'm like, I got my own weapon now and I get it.

00:47:54.320 --> 00:47:55.070
I get it.

00:47:56.800 --> 00:47:57.190
I like it.

00:47:57.931 --> 00:47:59.931
Let's do a little shorter jump forward.

00:48:00.501 --> 00:48:01.460
Like, let's just do like.

00:48:02.121 --> 00:48:02.771
Three years.

00:48:02.771 --> 00:48:04.070
Cause this is a recent transition.

00:48:04.070 --> 00:48:13.911
You've worked with, I'm sure some couple of handfuls of clients so far in this specific niche and you've got your kind of online community and whatever, but what do you want this to turn into?

00:48:13.911 --> 00:48:17.530
Are you want to be the guru of Encore careers?

00:48:17.530 --> 00:48:18.025
You want to build a team?

00:48:19.076 --> 00:48:22.755
doing a platform like, or, or is it smaller than that?

00:48:22.766 --> 00:48:25.925
Just want to build a nice sustainable thing, make impact locally.

00:48:27.036 --> 00:48:37.635
No, I want to, I want to have global domination, no, not global domination, but I mean, I really do think there's so much room for.

00:48:38.246 --> 00:49:23.675
People to have an encore career that's really satisfying, to have meaningful work and, and meaningful meaning in what we do and the way that we live our lives, and, you know, have more impact, have more increase and, And so I would say, you know, in three years from now, I would love to have a really large, you know, vibrant online community have, you know, a pretty consistent base of people that I'm working with individually and in small groups and really have that, um, grow because like I said, I think there's a lot of room and a lot of space for people in that, in that area.

00:49:23.876 --> 00:49:25.806
Yeah, you'll be happier, that's cool.

00:49:25.936 --> 00:49:26.376
Yeah.

00:49:26.815 --> 00:49:29.356
Alright, here we are on the actual time machine.

00:49:29.476 --> 00:49:30.295
Actual time machine.

00:49:30.295 --> 00:49:31.166
Going backwards this time.

00:49:31.335 --> 00:49:32.266
Let's go back, okay.

00:49:33.786 --> 00:49:37.835
Sounds like a helicopter kind of a Okay, two blades are one.

00:49:37.876 --> 00:49:47.166
Let's take you to Let's take you to like When you started talking, how old were you when your parents told you you started talking?

00:49:47.826 --> 00:49:48.666
That's a good question.

00:49:48.666 --> 00:49:51.356
I'm probably one of those children who came out talking.

00:49:51.356 --> 00:49:52.655
That's what I was thinking.

00:49:52.655 --> 00:49:53.695
That's why I asked it that way.

00:49:53.695 --> 00:49:54.646
That's what you were thinking.

00:49:54.646 --> 00:49:55.096
Okay.

00:49:55.106 --> 00:49:59.876
I'm guessing like 16 months, you were like asking questions that were Probably, probably.

00:49:59.916 --> 00:50:04.925
I am also the first grandchild on both of my parents sides.

00:50:04.976 --> 00:50:05.516
Oh, wow.

00:50:05.626 --> 00:50:05.885
Interesting.

00:50:05.885 --> 00:50:07.306
A lot of extra attention there.

00:50:08.106 --> 00:50:08.726
Lots of attention.

00:50:09.255 --> 00:50:12.681
Let's go to I'm gonna go with a five year old because you probably have a stronger memory of that time.

00:50:12.871 --> 00:50:12.900
True.

00:50:12.900 --> 00:50:14.530
Or maybe even go so, let's go first grade.

00:50:15.150 --> 00:50:15.771
Proper.

00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:17.891
Actually we can, we can start at five years old.

00:50:17.891 --> 00:50:18.971
So I was born in LA.

00:50:18.981 --> 00:50:19.221
Okay.

00:50:19.501 --> 00:50:22.780
And I am a fourth generation Californian.

00:50:22.851 --> 00:50:23.411
Oh, interesting.

00:50:23.601 --> 00:50:24.001
Yeah.

00:50:24.041 --> 00:50:30.550
And interestingly, I don't know if you have ever interviewed or if you know Jennifer Lopez, our local Jennifer Lopez.

00:50:30.621 --> 00:50:32.393
I do know her, but I have never interviewed her.

00:50:32.393 --> 00:50:34.110
She, yeah, used to own Swallowtail Foods.

00:50:34.110 --> 00:50:35.351
I don't know that she still does.

00:50:35.510 --> 00:50:39.331
I recruited her for a local think tank, like, for years before she sold that.

00:50:39.536 --> 00:50:40.496
Yeah, yeah.

00:50:40.556 --> 00:50:42.436
So she's cool, though.

00:50:42.436 --> 00:50:43.036
She's awesome.

00:50:43.076 --> 00:50:43.525
I try.

00:50:44.135 --> 00:50:44.896
Yeah, I try.

00:50:45.215 --> 00:50:50.050
So she is actually My fourth cousin.

00:50:50.190 --> 00:50:51.260
Okay, alright.

00:50:51.490 --> 00:50:52.400
And we met here.

00:50:52.561 --> 00:50:52.990
Oh, fun.

00:50:53.001 --> 00:50:54.170
In Fort Collins.

00:50:54.590 --> 00:50:57.190
Uh, so I'm a fourth generation Californian.

00:50:57.231 --> 00:51:04.681
My family came across the country in covered wagons from Vermont to Southern California.

00:51:04.710 --> 00:51:05.010
Yeah.

00:51:05.101 --> 00:51:05.351
Wow.

00:51:05.380 --> 00:51:07.271
And so that's how Jennifer and I are related.

00:51:07.271 --> 00:51:08.585
Like at the 49ers days or something like that?

00:51:08.585 --> 00:51:09.661
Yeah, in the 1840s.

00:51:09.940 --> 00:51:16.251
And the 1840s, the Norwegians found some Spanish where the Lopez and Ulstrup meet.

00:51:16.771 --> 00:51:19.061
No, actually, but are you Ulstrup?

00:51:19.251 --> 00:51:19.820
I'm Ulstrup.

00:51:19.851 --> 00:51:20.110
Yeah.

00:51:20.110 --> 00:51:24.340
And so my dad is, um, an immigrant.

00:51:24.621 --> 00:51:25.630
So I, so I have this.

00:51:25.775 --> 00:51:31.115
fourth generation, you know, Californian, my family, my mom's name is Hancock.

00:51:31.115 --> 00:51:32.536
So yeah.

00:51:32.606 --> 00:51:33.626
Good old blue bloods there.

00:51:33.655 --> 00:51:34.496
Yeah, there you go.

00:51:34.945 --> 00:51:39.755
And um, then my dad's family, my dad immigrated here when he went to the U.

00:51:39.755 --> 00:51:41.675
S., not to Colorado, to the U.

00:51:41.675 --> 00:51:41.835
S.

00:51:41.846 --> 00:51:42.896
when he was six weeks old.

00:51:42.905 --> 00:51:44.235
He was born in Norway.

00:51:44.286 --> 00:51:44.525
Okay.

00:51:44.775 --> 00:51:46.166
Lived all over the world.

00:51:47.556 --> 00:51:50.215
Yeah, I met my mom in college and decided to stay.

00:51:50.365 --> 00:51:51.085
Hmm, interesting.

00:51:51.186 --> 00:51:59.695
Yeah, so then, you know, fast forward to me, when I was five, my family moved to the Chicago suburbs.

00:51:59.956 --> 00:52:00.206
Okay.

00:52:00.215 --> 00:52:09.516
In the, what I like to call purple, my dad would be like, it is eggplant, but we, we drove a Chevy, I didn't drive, a Chevy Impala cross country.

00:52:09.925 --> 00:52:10.076
Oh, sweet.

00:52:10.416 --> 00:52:10.865
Yeah.

00:52:11.045 --> 00:52:12.356
Moved to Chicago.

00:52:12.365 --> 00:52:12.385
Yeah.

00:52:12.385 --> 00:52:12.436
So.

00:52:12.436 --> 00:52:13.056
Like what took.

00:52:13.465 --> 00:52:15.735
Your family from, was it L.

00:52:15.735 --> 00:52:15.755
A.

00:52:15.755 --> 00:52:16.876
area, did you say?

00:52:17.456 --> 00:52:17.936
Yeah, L.

00:52:17.936 --> 00:52:17.945
A.

00:52:17.945 --> 00:52:18.266
area.

00:52:18.266 --> 00:52:20.485
To Chicago, like what was that transition all about?

00:52:20.525 --> 00:52:22.896
My dad, my dad had a job offer.

00:52:23.016 --> 00:52:23.295
Okay.

00:52:23.315 --> 00:52:24.295
In Chicago.

00:52:24.485 --> 00:52:25.865
And what kind of industry, what kind of work?

00:52:25.865 --> 00:52:27.085
He was in medical sales.

00:52:27.186 --> 00:52:27.556
Okay.

00:52:27.626 --> 00:52:30.166
Yeah, he worked for Baxter Travenol at the time.

00:52:30.175 --> 00:52:30.206
Okay.

00:52:30.206 --> 00:52:32.786
Yeah, and uh, so we moved there.

00:52:33.335 --> 00:52:41.025
Yeah, it was, uh, I was five and I do remember, you know, fighting with my sister and stay off of my side, stay off of my side of the car.

00:52:41.445 --> 00:52:45.335
And um, yeah, we drove the family car again.

00:52:45.376 --> 00:52:48.965
I didn't drive, but you know, we drove across country and moved to Chicago.

00:52:48.965 --> 00:52:49.905
My dad's still there.

00:52:50.306 --> 00:52:50.726
Oh wow.

00:52:50.746 --> 00:53:06.121
So yeah, I grew up in the Chicago suburbs and uh, And tell me about, uh, like, call it, uh, elementary school, Julie, were you already taking pictures, were you an athlete, were you a smarty pants at school, were you a teacher's pet?

00:53:06.291 --> 00:53:13.275
Um, so I don't think I was a teacher's pet, because, you know, to your point, I was pretty talkative, but I think I was a pretty good teacher.

00:53:13.525 --> 00:53:14.235
I mean, I was.

00:53:14.235 --> 00:53:15.505
I was a pretty good student.

00:53:15.985 --> 00:53:17.295
I was always the kid.

00:53:17.295 --> 00:53:21.135
So, the, the photography piece did come into my life.

00:53:21.146 --> 00:53:27.706
Actually, before I was born, my grandparents owned a camera store in Southern California.

00:53:27.996 --> 00:53:32.465
So, San Bernardino is where they settled, which is a little bit, um, inland of L.

00:53:32.465 --> 00:53:32.675
A.

00:53:32.896 --> 00:53:32.976
Yep.

00:53:33.226 --> 00:53:35.405
On the way from, uh, toward Palm Desert.

00:53:35.576 --> 00:53:36.025
There you go.

00:53:36.356 --> 00:53:37.985
I just went to San Bernardino recently.

00:53:38.056 --> 00:53:38.465
Did you?

00:53:38.465 --> 00:53:40.195
I went up to Big Bear Lake.

00:53:40.360 --> 00:53:41.570
Yeah, there you go.

00:53:41.641 --> 00:53:42.663
It kind of fringes on that, right?

00:53:42.663 --> 00:53:42.951
Is that right?

00:53:42.951 --> 00:53:43.391
Yes.

00:53:43.911 --> 00:53:44.420
Yeah.

00:53:44.670 --> 00:53:49.831
So my grandparents owned a camera store before I was ever born and they sold it before I was ever born.

00:53:49.931 --> 00:53:50.170
Okay.

00:53:50.400 --> 00:53:54.661
But my grandfather had this love of photography, which he, you know, instilled.

00:53:54.670 --> 00:53:55.880
I had a little bit of interest.

00:53:56.101 --> 00:53:58.010
Yes, I had some interest in it.

00:53:58.431 --> 00:54:07.675
Um, and I have, you know, albums and albums of photographs with the black and white pictures at SeaWorld when we'd go back to visit family or something like that.

00:54:07.766 --> 00:54:08.436
That kind of thing.

00:54:08.445 --> 00:54:13.465
So I always have, you know, and I had the little, um, cartridge cassette of film.

00:54:13.536 --> 00:54:16.115
I actually see that my camera is going to run out of battery soon.

00:54:16.195 --> 00:54:16.596
Okay.

00:54:16.615 --> 00:54:17.746
So I'm going to take a pause.

00:54:17.856 --> 00:54:18.275
Okay.

00:55:01.610 --> 00:55:02.990
So where did we jump off?

00:55:03.070 --> 00:55:07.550
Uh, we were in Chicago.

00:55:07.552 --> 00:55:08.990
Oh yeah.

00:55:09.021 --> 00:55:12.170
So I went to elementary school in the Chicago suburbs.

00:55:12.320 --> 00:55:15.331
And I think that I, you know, I was a pretty good student.

00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:18.471
I had the love of photography from my grandfather.

00:55:18.481 --> 00:55:22.331
My grandfather had a camera store that he sold before I was born.

00:55:22.541 --> 00:55:26.010
Um, but you know, very much the entrepreneurial spirit kind of thing.

00:55:26.420 --> 00:55:33.416
Um, you know, and it's interesting as I say that my grandfather had a camera store, my grandmother was very much a part of it.

00:55:33.416 --> 00:55:36.376
And I think that's a really interesting piece.

00:55:36.865 --> 00:55:42.275
Uh, she died not too long ago, maybe five or six years ago.

00:55:42.916 --> 00:55:48.346
And to the day she died, she would still refer to it as my grandfather's camera store.

00:55:48.346 --> 00:55:50.936
However, she did all the books, right?

00:55:51.135 --> 00:55:52.896
You know, it was, it was their store.

00:55:52.896 --> 00:55:59.826
And I just think that's a, a huge evolution, you know, from the 1950s to where we are now.

00:56:00.440 --> 00:56:01.699
In, you know, 70 years later.

00:56:01.699 --> 00:56:05.141
That time I was probably fairly progressive to even let her do the books.

00:56:05.221 --> 00:56:05.940
I know.

00:56:06.170 --> 00:56:06.920
I know.

00:56:06.951 --> 00:56:07.601
So yeah.

00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:08.431
Interesting.

00:56:08.670 --> 00:56:08.981
Yeah.

00:56:10.266 --> 00:56:13.356
And as far as, uh, like, were you sporty?

00:56:13.356 --> 00:56:19.985
You're, you're pretty tall, uh, were you like one of those girls that in fifth grade was like way taller than all the boys or did that?

00:56:20.286 --> 00:56:23.856
I, I probably was, but I didn't, I probably really didn't care about that.

00:56:23.856 --> 00:56:25.606
Not so much so that it mattered to you?

00:56:25.615 --> 00:56:31.150
No, I, um, I was sporty, but it, you know, I, I played softball.

00:56:31.150 --> 00:56:33.271
I, I was kind of uncoordinated.

00:56:33.851 --> 00:56:34.101
Yeah.

00:56:34.161 --> 00:56:36.751
Uh, when I was in high school, I was a swimmer.

00:56:37.150 --> 00:56:37.311
Oh.

00:56:37.371 --> 00:56:43.851
And I, you know, it's interesting too, as I reflect back, I used to swim the 500 free, right?

00:56:44.260 --> 00:56:45.170
Oh, that's pretty far, right?

00:56:45.311 --> 00:56:47.114
That's a long distance.

00:56:47.114 --> 00:56:48.880
Yeah, that's a long distance.

00:56:48.940 --> 00:56:52.960
And then, um, I started running, I guess, in my 30s.

00:56:53.286 --> 00:56:56.135
30s and I started running marathons.

00:56:56.206 --> 00:56:56.965
Oh yeah.

00:56:56.976 --> 00:57:01.673
So I've always been this like distance kind of person, high endurance, high distance.

00:57:01.673 --> 00:57:04.896
I've done triathlons and things like that too.

00:57:04.896 --> 00:57:07.235
But lungs are more evolved than others.

00:57:07.246 --> 00:57:10.695
Or you're, well, it's, it's kind of a slow twitch, fast pit switch.

00:57:11.255 --> 00:57:20.106
Um, you know, some of us, I'm, I'm one of those two that can, like, I could probably just go run five miles right now, even though I haven't run more than a mile in two months, three months.

00:57:20.175 --> 00:57:20.666
Okay.

00:57:20.706 --> 00:57:21.025
Yeah.

00:57:21.076 --> 00:57:21.925
But I could make it.

00:57:22.251 --> 00:57:22.510
Yeah.

00:57:22.550 --> 00:57:26.150
Whereas some people, if they ran half a mile, it would be just kill them.

00:57:26.431 --> 00:57:26.690
Yeah.

00:57:26.721 --> 00:57:29.601
Those people can typically crush me in a one block sprint.

00:57:30.251 --> 00:57:30.581
Yeah.

00:57:30.581 --> 00:57:30.831
Right.

00:57:30.831 --> 00:57:31.161
Right.

00:57:31.271 --> 00:57:31.490
Yeah.

00:57:31.550 --> 00:57:32.380
I'm not built that way.

00:57:32.481 --> 00:57:32.920
Yeah.

00:57:33.041 --> 00:57:35.670
So, uh, so you had a sister, you said.

00:57:35.851 --> 00:57:36.521
I still do.

00:57:36.550 --> 00:57:36.791
Yeah.

00:57:36.880 --> 00:57:37.221
Uh huh.

00:57:37.260 --> 00:57:38.360
Is she younger or older?

00:57:38.440 --> 00:57:39.121
She's younger.

00:57:39.210 --> 00:57:41.411
And she always likes to remind me that I'm the older sister.

00:57:41.900 --> 00:57:42.130
Yeah.

00:57:42.130 --> 00:57:42.960
You look younger though.

00:57:43.550 --> 00:57:43.840
Just kidding.

00:57:46.760 --> 00:57:47.311
She's gonna listen.

00:57:48.170 --> 00:57:49.021
She's gonna listen.

00:57:49.280 --> 00:57:50.360
She's gonna come hunt you down.

00:57:50.360 --> 00:57:51.130
Does she have a name?

00:57:51.356 --> 00:57:52.206
She does have a name.

00:57:52.206 --> 00:57:52.976
Her name's Karin.

00:57:53.076 --> 00:57:53.496
Hi Karin.

00:57:53.496 --> 00:57:54.085
And, yeah.

00:57:54.686 --> 00:57:56.096
We'll talk more about you later.

00:57:56.735 --> 00:58:00.405
Um, and like, uh, tell me about your high school experience a little bit.

00:58:00.425 --> 00:58:03.755
Were you, like, good grades?

00:58:03.835 --> 00:58:05.655
Did you have a boyfriend?

00:58:05.655 --> 00:58:07.735
Like, uh, were you an entrepreneur already?

00:58:07.735 --> 00:58:09.735
I think you mentioned some kind of entrepreneurial stuff.

00:58:09.755 --> 00:58:10.885
You were a camera girl.

00:58:10.905 --> 00:58:11.536
You, maybe.

00:58:11.536 --> 00:58:12.275
Yeah, I was.

00:58:12.286 --> 00:58:13.898
I always loved the camera.

00:58:13.898 --> 00:58:15.554
But did you make money out of it?

00:58:15.554 --> 00:58:15.760
Already?

00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:16.795
Um, not in high school.

00:58:16.795 --> 00:58:20.465
So I, so I, let me, I'll just share a little bit of the evolution of it.

00:58:20.525 --> 00:58:20.815
Yeah, yeah.

00:58:21.030 --> 00:58:32.231
So junior high, I was like the awkward, like played the guitar with my social studies teacher at lunchtime, like kind of nerdy, introverted.

00:58:32.231 --> 00:58:40.530
And I went to high school and my neighbor across the street, Matt Schulte, is like, You gotta meet this girl, Amy Bartolotta.

00:58:40.561 --> 00:58:42.621
And Amy is still one of my really good friends.

00:58:43.240 --> 00:58:45.451
I met Amy and I came out of my shell.

00:58:46.490 --> 00:58:48.010
And she like pulled you out somehow?

00:58:48.681 --> 00:58:50.101
No, I think so.

00:58:50.101 --> 00:58:53.240
I went to a pretty unusual junior high school.

00:58:53.240 --> 00:58:55.740
There was, at least it was for me at the time.

00:58:56.130 --> 00:58:59.601
There was a lot of like drug use and I just wasn't into that.

00:58:59.601 --> 00:59:03.561
I, it wasn't something, you know, there was, I was like, yeah, that's just, that's just not my jam.

00:59:04.201 --> 00:59:05.840
So went to high school.

00:59:05.840 --> 00:59:07.510
And can you circle me a little bit too?

00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:08.721
Uh, yeah.

00:59:09.460 --> 00:59:09.960
No, that's fine.

00:59:09.971 --> 00:59:10.721
No, that's fine.

00:59:10.731 --> 00:59:12.431
I graduated high school in 1981.

00:59:12.541 --> 00:59:12.940
81.

00:59:12.960 --> 00:59:13.240
Okay.

00:59:13.400 --> 00:59:13.590
Yeah.

00:59:13.601 --> 00:59:14.860
So you're about 10 years older than me.

00:59:14.951 --> 00:59:15.331
Yeah.

00:59:15.340 --> 00:59:18.221
So, um, went to high school.

00:59:18.231 --> 00:59:20.840
So yeah, that wasn't really very common in those days.

00:59:20.860 --> 00:59:21.371
I mean.

00:59:21.481 --> 00:59:21.900
No.

00:59:21.920 --> 00:59:23.351
I mean, marijuana was like the devil.

00:59:23.351 --> 00:59:23.981
In junior high.

00:59:24.010 --> 00:59:24.610
It's my junior high.

00:59:24.690 --> 00:59:25.460
Oh, yeah.

00:59:25.490 --> 00:59:26.751
Like Nancy Reagan, right?

00:59:26.771 --> 00:59:27.170
Right.

00:59:27.170 --> 00:59:27.340
Yeah.

00:59:27.880 --> 00:59:28.260
Exactly.

00:59:28.262 --> 00:59:28.860
Just say no.

00:59:28.860 --> 00:59:29.460
Just say no.

00:59:29.740 --> 00:59:29.871
Yeah.

00:59:29.871 --> 00:59:30.891
They're like, whatever, Nancy.

00:59:31.041 --> 00:59:31.411
Yeah.

00:59:31.601 --> 00:59:31.771
Yeah.

00:59:31.771 --> 00:59:32.811
Whatever your high school friends were.

00:59:33.181 --> 00:59:33.451
Yeah.

00:59:33.451 --> 00:59:33.710
No.

00:59:33.710 --> 00:59:35.771
And so that, so that was junior high.

00:59:36.235 --> 00:59:40.365
Um, and I went to high school and I just, I found my groove, right?

00:59:40.385 --> 00:59:41.445
I found my people.

00:59:41.456 --> 00:59:44.306
I found my, um, I found my thing.

00:59:44.385 --> 00:59:46.085
I, I played tennis.

00:59:46.085 --> 00:59:47.195
I swam.

00:59:47.606 --> 00:59:49.356
I was very involved in leadership.

00:59:49.356 --> 00:59:52.896
I was on the class council and then I was like the president of my senior class.

00:59:53.206 --> 00:59:57.246
And yeah, I did, I did like all the things like I did.

00:59:57.385 --> 00:59:59.695
All the things in high school, but I got good grades.

00:59:59.695 --> 01:00:02.675
Was it your bestie girlfriend that kind of helped turn that chapter?

01:00:02.675 --> 01:00:03.976
Or did you have a mentor?

01:00:03.976 --> 01:00:07.146
Or who let you believe that you could do all these things?

01:00:07.166 --> 01:00:08.286
I think it, you know what?

01:00:08.286 --> 01:00:10.675
I just think I was tired of playing small.

01:00:10.835 --> 01:00:11.385
Ah, yeah.

01:00:11.396 --> 01:00:14.126
I was really, you know, I was like, this isn't who I am.

01:00:14.126 --> 01:00:17.965
This isn't who, I don't, like, this isn't, this isn't me.

01:00:17.967 --> 01:00:18.545
Yeah.

01:00:18.726 --> 01:00:19.096
Yeah.

01:00:19.335 --> 01:00:21.576
And so I was like, I'm not doing that anymore.

01:00:21.615 --> 01:00:23.186
And, and my bestie girlfriend too.

01:00:23.275 --> 01:00:26.641
I mean, she, yeah, she was super fun.

01:00:26.641 --> 01:00:33.960
and whatever, but even that guitar playing with the social studies teacher at lunch is probably a formative element.

01:00:34.630 --> 01:00:36.621
You just don't quite know where it fit, right?

01:00:36.690 --> 01:00:37.081
Right.

01:00:37.130 --> 01:00:40.090
Well, and I had like this French teacher that was great.

01:00:40.090 --> 01:00:42.990
I loved my high school, my junior high French class.

01:00:42.990 --> 01:00:47.990
And interestingly too, I, when I went to high school, I had like the French teacher from hell.

01:00:48.030 --> 01:00:49.161
He was like the devil.

01:00:49.880 --> 01:00:56.630
He was, this is like, you know, like as a, as a former educator.

01:00:56.630 --> 01:00:56.971
Right.

01:00:57.420 --> 01:01:00.181
So the man was dying of cancer.

01:01:00.210 --> 01:01:00.811
Oh wow.

01:01:00.911 --> 01:01:01.311
Right.

01:01:01.351 --> 01:01:07.726
So, Nobody was going to say or do anything to, you know, curb his behavior, right?

01:01:07.775 --> 01:01:15.965
And it wasn't any of that, but he was just a jerk, right?

01:01:15.996 --> 01:01:16.826
He was a jerk.

01:01:16.826 --> 01:01:19.865
And I had people get mean sometimes when they know they're facing.

01:01:20.045 --> 01:01:24.056
Well, and it was interesting because I came, I changed school districts.

01:01:24.056 --> 01:01:26.505
My family didn't move, but we changed school districts.

01:01:26.516 --> 01:01:29.885
So I had learned and I had done very well in French in junior high.

01:01:30.405 --> 01:01:32.096
And it was like I was starting over.

01:01:32.221 --> 01:01:36.650
on a different planet in French 2 or 3 or whatever class I was in.

01:01:37.210 --> 01:01:43.050
And there was this boy in my class, Phil Colletier, who I know is a very successful physician right now.

01:01:43.570 --> 01:01:50.971
Um, but Phil tortured me and would like feed me the wrong answer, right, in high school.

01:01:51.411 --> 01:01:52.670
And so, you know, Mr.

01:01:52.670 --> 01:01:56.420
Holbrook would be like, you know, putting his hand in his forehead and like, ugh.

01:01:56.422 --> 01:01:57.521
Get it?

01:01:58.400 --> 01:01:58.681
Right?

01:01:59.581 --> 01:02:04.931
So anyway, yeah, that was, uh, that was torture, but, but everything else about high school was fun.

01:02:05.221 --> 01:02:13.036
I, yeah, I was on the swim team and I had, when I was a freshman, I had a boyfriend who was a senior and, After P.

01:02:13.036 --> 01:02:13.186
E.

01:02:13.186 --> 01:02:20.505
class, during like, uh, swim team, you know, when we had the swimming unit or whatever, I would curl my hair in Mr.

01:02:20.505 --> 01:02:24.155
Marshall's math class and have all kinds of fun.

01:02:24.365 --> 01:02:24.525
Yeah.

01:02:24.525 --> 01:02:27.865
What's, uh, what's the, did you go off to college?

01:02:27.965 --> 01:02:28.556
Mm hmm.

01:02:28.556 --> 01:02:29.326
Yeah, from there.

01:02:30.206 --> 01:02:30.646
What were your, considerations?

01:02:30.746 --> 01:02:32.695
I did, I went to the University of Illinois.

01:02:32.940 --> 01:02:33.260
Okay.

01:02:33.320 --> 01:02:33.630
Yeah.

01:02:33.650 --> 01:02:35.871
Pretty much next door or Southern Illinois?

01:02:35.880 --> 01:02:36.490
Southern Illinois.

01:02:36.492 --> 01:02:37.579
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

01:02:37.579 --> 01:02:38.010
Where is that?

01:02:38.030 --> 01:02:38.420
What town?

01:02:39.101 --> 01:02:39.940
Champaign Urbana.

01:02:39.940 --> 01:02:40.300
Oh, yeah.

01:02:40.340 --> 01:02:40.601
Yeah, yeah.

01:02:40.601 --> 01:02:41.181
Big 10.

01:02:41.360 --> 01:02:42.061
Big 10.

01:02:42.161 --> 01:02:42.460
Yeah.

01:02:43.061 --> 01:02:43.300
Yeah.

01:02:43.300 --> 01:02:44.570
And it was a good experience.

01:02:44.570 --> 01:02:45.911
I mean, I For education?

01:02:46.260 --> 01:02:46.670
No.

01:02:46.740 --> 01:02:46.971
No.

01:02:46.971 --> 01:02:48.181
No, no, no, no, no.

01:02:48.201 --> 01:02:49.891
I have a journalism undergraduate degree.

01:02:49.951 --> 01:02:50.291
Okay.

01:02:50.371 --> 01:02:50.710
Yeah.

01:02:51.251 --> 01:02:51.721
Yeah.

01:02:51.840 --> 01:02:55.751
Um, which is a great undergraduate degree.

01:02:55.880 --> 01:02:56.041
For sure.

01:02:56.050 --> 01:02:56.920
It's a BS.

01:02:57.320 --> 01:03:06.541
It's, you know, it's like a technical I mean, I think even more now, communicating is such a strong skill to have.

01:03:06.661 --> 01:03:07.081
For sure.

01:03:07.351 --> 01:03:16.951
Um, you know, it's interesting too, because when I teach my students or if I offer masterclass, which I do, I offer masterclasses, and I talk about AI.

01:03:16.951 --> 01:03:17.090
Yeah.

01:03:17.101 --> 01:03:26.860
And, you know, one of the first things I learned in journalism school, what I learned in every single class, what, you know, it was always, always, always check your sources, check your sources, check your sources.

01:03:26.860 --> 01:03:27.260
Sure.

01:03:27.740 --> 01:03:28.130
Right?

01:03:28.391 --> 01:03:29.630
And so now with AI, Yeah.

01:03:31.385 --> 01:03:32.096
You know where I'm coming from.

01:03:32.945 --> 01:03:34.346
We have to check our sources.

01:03:34.376 --> 01:03:34.865
For sure.

01:03:35.255 --> 01:03:38.596
I was just, uh, working with Alma before you got here.

01:03:38.596 --> 01:03:41.876
And so we've got this thinker fest thing coming up.

01:03:42.416 --> 01:03:43.635
You'll see more about it, whatever.

01:03:44.275 --> 01:03:45.695
And we've got like a.

01:03:46.101 --> 01:03:49.670
Title, description, key takeaways from our speakers for ThinkerFest.

01:03:50.221 --> 01:03:55.161
And they're not necessarily journalism majors or experts at communications or whatever either.

01:03:55.161 --> 01:04:00.190
So we fed their stuff through ChatGPT a little bit just to see what we would get.

01:04:00.681 --> 01:04:02.670
And it's pretty good.

01:04:02.771 --> 01:04:03.141
It is.

01:04:03.690 --> 01:04:09.090
You know, and, and, Like, I know it's pretty good because I'm pretty good, right?

01:04:09.621 --> 01:04:14.110
Like, I was like, I had a really strong English teacher in high school.

01:04:14.110 --> 01:04:16.240
I've always, you know, been a grammar Nazi.

01:04:16.240 --> 01:04:24.773
Like, and so that's an interesting thing is like, I could tell the difference between pretty good and not so good because I'm good at that stuff.

01:04:24.773 --> 01:04:29.110
But what happens after 20 years of everybody just using that?

01:04:29.481 --> 01:04:31.811
Well, that, I think that's a huge question.

01:04:31.831 --> 01:04:33.570
And I think using.

01:04:34.030 --> 01:04:36.001
You know, it's, it's the analytical skills.

01:04:36.001 --> 01:04:37.351
It's the thinking skills.

01:04:37.371 --> 01:04:48.271
And the, I think one of the things that I always teach too, when I teach these AI classes, well, you need to look at it before you put it anywhere else, certainly.

01:04:48.280 --> 01:04:48.561
Right.

01:04:48.971 --> 01:04:51.710
And, and take out the weird.

01:04:52.061 --> 01:04:53.280
AI euphemisms.

01:04:53.581 --> 01:04:58.860
Like, if I ever see, you know, somebody's, like, spilling the tea about this, I'm like, who says that?

01:04:59.400 --> 01:05:00.150
That's ridiculous.

01:05:00.161 --> 01:05:01.351
Where did you get that anyway?

01:05:01.351 --> 01:05:07.380
Yeah, you got it from chat GPT and everybody knows and then, like, you don't look authentic and you don't look real.

01:05:07.391 --> 01:05:07.420
Right.

01:05:07.431 --> 01:05:12.260
Well, and if you get too much of that kind of stuff, then pretty soon, spilling the tea is ubiquitous.

01:05:12.260 --> 01:05:14.206
And we've just introduced a new phrase that nobody thought of.

01:05:14.396 --> 01:05:15.606
Friggin actually knows what means.

01:05:15.606 --> 01:05:16.606
Or ever uses.

01:05:17.606 --> 01:05:19.155
Because it's weird and random.

01:05:19.916 --> 01:05:22.476
So anyway, we head off to Champaign Urbana.

01:05:22.485 --> 01:05:24.306
Shut a head off to Champaign Urbana.

01:05:24.335 --> 01:05:24.516
Yep.

01:05:24.516 --> 01:05:26.695
We're rocking the journalism degree and uh.

01:05:26.706 --> 01:05:28.465
Well, I changed my major like 25 times.

01:05:28.496 --> 01:05:29.186
Okay.

01:05:29.275 --> 01:05:29.635
Yeah.

01:05:29.706 --> 01:05:35.525
And I, and I, you know, it's interesting because like I said, I, you know, grew up, I was born in Southern California.

01:05:35.525 --> 01:05:37.945
My parents went to the University of Southern California.

01:05:37.945 --> 01:05:38.775
That's where they met.

01:05:39.036 --> 01:05:47.101
And, uh, you And during, I think it was between my sophomore and junior year, I was like, I don't, I went and I lived with my aunt and uncle.

01:05:47.536 --> 01:05:47.666
Okay.

01:05:47.806 --> 01:05:49.565
In Del Mar, outside of San Diego.

01:05:49.626 --> 01:05:49.976
Okay.

01:05:50.525 --> 01:05:51.425
And I had the best summer.

01:05:51.505 --> 01:05:52.295
Like for the summer.

01:05:53.465 --> 01:05:54.596
I had the best summer.

01:05:54.596 --> 01:05:57.985
I took my first surf lessons, which I'm still learning to surf now.

01:05:57.985 --> 01:06:00.655
It's been a couple minutes, but I'm still learning to surf now.

01:06:01.405 --> 01:06:03.715
And I was like, I want to go to Pepperdine.

01:06:03.856 --> 01:06:04.135
Yeah.

01:06:04.166 --> 01:06:05.786
Forget the University of Illinois.

01:06:05.865 --> 01:06:05.945
Yeah.

01:06:05.996 --> 01:06:06.815
I'm done.

01:06:07.445 --> 01:06:08.155
Well.

01:06:08.590 --> 01:06:18.400
You know, had I thought about it for a minute and a half, if I would have said I wanted to go to the University of Southern California, my parents would have been like, sure, let's do that.

01:06:18.701 --> 01:06:18.751
Yeah.

01:06:18.800 --> 01:06:19.840
But I didn't say that.

01:06:20.181 --> 01:06:22.661
And so I did end up graduating from the University of Illinois.

01:06:22.661 --> 01:06:25.041
I had a great experience, great education.

01:06:25.460 --> 01:06:31.951
Um, I got a job actually right after college working for a studio in Chicago, a photography studio.

01:06:31.952 --> 01:06:32.255
Um.

01:06:32.396 --> 01:06:35.346
Um, yeah, and, and, and that was fun.

01:06:35.346 --> 01:06:38.206
I learned from some really interesting, that must've been quite an operation.

01:06:38.835 --> 01:06:44.346
You mentioned earlier that you like got promoted up into management, even of that particular business.

01:06:44.405 --> 01:06:45.666
Actually, that was in high school.

01:06:45.746 --> 01:06:46.936
That was in college.

01:06:46.956 --> 01:06:53.655
Um, so I was the camera girl in college and I took pictures at sorority and fraternity parties.

01:06:53.666 --> 01:06:58.175
So anybody who's maybe of my era would understand that.

01:06:58.206 --> 01:07:00.846
And then, uh, so I would go to the.

01:07:02.001 --> 01:07:05.300
Fraternity or sorority party, and I'd take pictures and I'd get a certain number.

01:07:05.300 --> 01:07:06.181
During the whole party?

01:07:06.431 --> 01:07:06.780
Oh yeah.

01:07:06.891 --> 01:07:08.650
Well, however much film I had.

01:07:08.681 --> 01:07:10.311
How much, uh, Because it was film.

01:07:10.320 --> 01:07:11.920
Did you have to stay and drink, too?

01:07:11.920 --> 01:07:14.900
Or you just had to sit there and be like, man, these people are idiots.

01:07:15.751 --> 01:07:17.351
Well, it was a really good lesson.

01:07:17.351 --> 01:07:17.641
Optional?

01:07:18.280 --> 01:07:18.811
Yeah, it was.

01:07:19.371 --> 01:07:21.201
Usually I did not drink.

01:07:21.521 --> 01:07:25.681
However, So I would go through a certain number of rolls of film, right?

01:07:25.681 --> 01:07:33.201
I'd be given a certain number of rolls of film, you know, I would take pictures of two people or pictures of four people, you know, and it was always dark.

01:07:33.201 --> 01:07:37.291
So I had my flash on automatic, you know, it was a very technical kind of thing.

01:07:37.420 --> 01:07:37.440
Yeah.

01:07:38.110 --> 01:07:46.335
Well, so Some parties were more eager to have photographs taken than others, right?

01:07:46.335 --> 01:07:52.206
If a girl was at a party and her boyfriend didn't know she was at that party, she wasn't eager to have that photograph taken.

01:07:52.445 --> 01:07:58.876
No, not actually, not so much about that because, you know, it wasn't like digital and everything was going everywhere.

01:07:59.416 --> 01:08:01.905
The pictures were just going back to the sorority.

01:08:02.320 --> 01:08:05.440
And they run a sheet and then people could order them, right?

01:08:05.451 --> 01:08:05.871
Okay.

01:08:06.121 --> 01:08:09.420
So I did that for, I don't know, maybe a semester.

01:08:09.541 --> 01:08:11.590
And then I moved, that's where I moved into management.

01:08:11.590 --> 01:08:16.230
So this was like, you worked for this business that did that service for fraternities and sororities.

01:08:16.541 --> 01:08:18.001
Memory Lane Photography.

01:08:18.421 --> 01:08:18.610
Okay.

01:08:18.621 --> 01:08:22.030
So a little bit like the ring sellers from back in the high school days or whatever.

01:08:22.030 --> 01:08:24.100
They just had this specific niche that they offered.

01:08:24.100 --> 01:08:24.591
Yes.

01:08:24.591 --> 01:08:27.180
Uh, here's where you're.

01:08:27.201 --> 01:08:30.331
fraternity, sorority, memory book actually.

01:08:30.350 --> 01:08:30.560
No.

01:08:30.711 --> 01:08:35.730
So what it was is they were, um, so I would take pictures on a Saturday night.

01:08:35.730 --> 01:08:38.320
They'd all get processed and sent out to a lab.

01:08:38.661 --> 01:08:44.261
And then the little tiny pictures that were the size of a negative would show up on a strip.

01:08:44.775 --> 01:08:48.695
On a cardboard thing, get delivered, and I didn't do any of this part.

01:08:48.735 --> 01:08:49.176
Sure, sure.

01:08:49.185 --> 01:08:53.586
They'd get delivered to the sorority or the fraternity, and people would order pictures from them.

01:08:53.636 --> 01:08:57.095
And they would look at it probably through a microfiche or something, even almost, if they wanted to.

01:08:57.155 --> 01:08:59.036
Oh, no, yeah, no, we were 18 to 21.

01:08:59.037 --> 01:09:02.895
You could, yeah, yeah, you could see if you wanted the picture to, yeah.

01:09:02.896 --> 01:09:10.185
Oh, so it's a little bit more like, uh, The tourism thing where they're snapping your pictures when you're on a roller coaster or whatever, that kind of thing.

01:09:10.365 --> 01:09:11.586
But not digital, right?

01:09:11.615 --> 01:09:12.626
There was all that, yeah.

01:09:12.975 --> 01:09:13.576
Interesting.

01:09:13.676 --> 01:09:19.275
Yeah, it's so funny to think about those, like, I shot a bunch of disposable cameras worth of stuff.

01:09:19.275 --> 01:09:22.466
I never owned a camera, like, that put film in it.

01:09:22.845 --> 01:09:23.265
Oh, yeah.

01:09:23.265 --> 01:09:29.046
I was kind of in that era where, you know, digital wasn't really there yet, but I didn't have any money for a camera.

01:09:29.980 --> 01:09:45.240
Yeah, no that that all of my so all of my photography started actually back in high school and I had a you know Like my my real photography my grandparents got me a DSL not a DSLR a single lens reflex camera Yeah, and I took a photographer.

01:09:45.240 --> 01:09:51.881
I took three years of photography, which is the most I could take when I was in high school At a brilliant teacher, Mr.

01:09:51.881 --> 01:09:56.520
Herman, he used to teach at, um, the Art Institute of Chicago.

01:09:57.131 --> 01:10:13.990
And we would go down on these field trips to the university, to the Art Institute of Chicago and like pass around original Henry Cartier Bresson and Ansel Adams and like, so you want to talk about lighting a fire and.

01:10:14.720 --> 01:10:15.751
It was super cool.

01:10:15.751 --> 01:10:24.430
And then, and then went to college, had 14 different majors at the University of Illinois, got into journalism, you know, did the photography thing at memory lane studio.

01:10:24.461 --> 01:10:24.591
Yeah.

01:10:24.591 --> 01:10:25.041
That's funny.

01:10:25.041 --> 01:10:26.161
I haven't thought about that in a while.

01:10:26.701 --> 01:10:28.730
And I did have to, you know, fend some.

01:10:29.055 --> 01:10:33.095
People off sometimes with men, with my uh, flash.

01:10:33.225 --> 01:10:38.126
I would, you know, like the drunk fraternity guys who didn't have a date for the dance.

01:10:38.166 --> 01:10:38.685
Right, right.

01:10:38.905 --> 01:10:41.916
You know, and I would But you're a single gal at this time?

01:10:41.985 --> 01:10:43.435
Oh yeah, I was, I was in college.

01:10:43.436 --> 01:10:44.716
Yeah, yeah.

01:10:44.716 --> 01:11:00.036
And so I would uh, You know, like if the guys tried to pick me up or whatever and got a little too aggressive, I would just like accidentally flash the flash in their face in their drunken, you know, and then I had a deer in the headlights and I was good to go.

01:11:00.796 --> 01:11:03.664
It's pretty hard to recover from a flash in the eyes.

01:11:03.664 --> 01:11:07.996
And especially, you know, a drunken, at a dark, drunken place, 19, 20 year old.

01:11:08.036 --> 01:11:08.225
Yeah.

01:11:08.225 --> 01:11:09.525
You got 20 seconds to get away.

01:11:09.525 --> 01:11:09.836
Really?

01:11:10.155 --> 01:11:10.496
More than that.

01:11:11.105 --> 01:11:11.695
That was good.

01:11:11.695 --> 01:11:14.275
And that's part of the reason that, and then I walked home.

01:11:14.315 --> 01:11:14.586
Right.

01:11:14.666 --> 01:11:14.956
Right.

01:11:15.591 --> 01:11:15.810
Yeah.

01:11:15.841 --> 01:11:16.621
So, yeah.

01:11:16.701 --> 01:11:25.251
Um, so talk to me about like the transition, I guess, to education, like, or to Colorado.

01:11:25.511 --> 01:11:28.530
I have no idea where your, where your journey goes, but yeah.

01:11:28.581 --> 01:11:35.591
So, um, so I married my college sweetheart and we moved actually to Colorado Springs.

01:11:35.690 --> 01:11:35.860
Okay.

01:11:36.171 --> 01:11:39.690
I had a sales job that I, I loved and I did really well.

01:11:39.690 --> 01:11:41.860
This was like at the breakup of the baby bells.

01:11:41.980 --> 01:11:42.360
Okay.

01:11:42.600 --> 01:11:44.030
Uh, worked in sales.

01:11:44.030 --> 01:11:45.190
So you were selling Bell?

01:11:45.440 --> 01:11:49.121
I was selling, um, like alternate phone service.

01:11:49.211 --> 01:11:54.541
And I would, I would do, um, Oh, cause that was kind of the rise of, oh yeah, other systems, right?

01:11:54.541 --> 01:11:55.440
Other, yeah.

01:11:56.100 --> 01:12:01.081
And so I would, you know, go in and I'd analyze the bill and do all of that kind of good, kind of stuff.

01:12:01.081 --> 01:12:04.190
Almost like a merchant services thing, but way more legit at the time.

01:12:04.381 --> 01:12:04.751
Yeah.

01:12:05.360 --> 01:12:05.671
Yeah.

01:12:06.201 --> 01:12:07.551
So here's what you've been paying.

01:12:08.060 --> 01:12:09.225
And here's what we can do with it.

01:12:09.565 --> 01:12:13.716
Well, like, remind me some of the companies that were forming up at that time.

01:12:13.826 --> 01:12:14.496
Oh my gosh.

01:12:14.576 --> 01:12:18.765
So, the company that I worked for, wow, this is like so far back.

01:12:19.046 --> 01:12:23.145
So, I worked for TMC, was the name of the company, and I lived in the Springs.

01:12:23.145 --> 01:12:23.546
Yeah, yeah.

01:12:23.605 --> 01:12:24.006
Yeah.

01:12:24.036 --> 01:12:27.199
So, my first It was just a small little regional player that emerged out of that chaos.

01:12:27.199 --> 01:12:31.076
And then, and then they, yeah, then they sold to a big, you know, right?

01:12:31.076 --> 01:12:31.586
It's like Right.

01:12:31.586 --> 01:12:32.456
They become a monopoly.

01:12:32.456 --> 01:12:34.716
They break it up, and then they just re monopolize a little bit.

01:12:34.716 --> 01:12:35.206
Exactly.

01:12:35.456 --> 01:12:35.836
Yeah, that's what happened.

01:12:37.360 --> 01:12:39.591
I wonder, do you think anything will happen with Google?

01:12:39.951 --> 01:12:44.770
Like if they get found in this antitrust to be breakup worthy?

01:12:45.331 --> 01:12:46.270
It'll never happen.

01:12:46.990 --> 01:12:47.440
I don't know.

01:12:47.490 --> 01:13:17.711
I don't know if you heard about that, but there was a Department of Justice suit recently that found that their behavior by, like they pay 30% Or something to Apple for people that do stuff through the App Store or something, but for Apple to put Google on their, like, home page like it was found to be a monopolistic practice and they're guilty of acting like a monopoly as of, like, a month ago, which is the first time Google's ever faced that kind of attention.

01:13:18.490 --> 01:13:19.341
I, you know, who knows?

01:13:19.341 --> 01:13:22.895
But there's certainly, you know, No less dominant than Mob L was.

01:13:22.966 --> 01:13:23.636
Right.

01:13:24.006 --> 01:13:24.555
Right.

01:13:25.086 --> 01:13:25.435
I don't know.

01:13:25.645 --> 01:13:26.365
Anyway, we'll see.

01:13:26.735 --> 01:13:27.065
Yeah.

01:13:27.067 --> 01:13:27.506
That's a sidebar.

01:13:27.845 --> 01:13:30.466
Um, so you're in the springs.

01:13:30.466 --> 01:13:32.376
You're doing the young marriage.

01:13:32.386 --> 01:13:34.025
Your husband's doing his thing.

01:13:34.036 --> 01:13:34.456
Yep.

01:13:35.485 --> 01:13:36.326
Uh, do you have children?

01:13:36.576 --> 01:13:37.386
I do have children.

01:13:37.386 --> 01:13:38.238
Of your first marriage?

01:13:38.238 --> 01:13:38.451
Yep.

01:13:38.451 --> 01:13:38.662
Okay.

01:13:38.662 --> 01:13:41.315
I have a daughter who was born in the Springs.

01:13:41.506 --> 01:13:41.765
Okay.

01:13:41.765 --> 01:13:42.065
Yep.

01:13:42.225 --> 01:13:45.765
And she now lives in South Denver.

01:13:45.765 --> 01:13:47.336
She just moved actually to Parker.

01:13:47.336 --> 01:13:48.935
She was living in Central Park.

01:13:48.985 --> 01:13:49.065
Okay.

01:13:49.466 --> 01:13:50.855
But yeah, and she has a family.

01:13:50.855 --> 01:13:52.615
They just recently moved to Parker.

01:13:53.105 --> 01:13:54.895
Um, and I have a son.

01:13:55.345 --> 01:13:57.126
Yeah, the son who could never play with weapons.

01:13:57.345 --> 01:13:58.126
Right, right, right.

01:13:58.126 --> 01:13:59.595
Who decided to join the army.

01:13:59.886 --> 01:14:01.845
That was not born in the Springs though?

01:14:01.845 --> 01:14:02.485
He was not.

01:14:02.576 --> 01:14:03.886
He was born in Chicago.

01:14:03.886 --> 01:14:10.975
So after, after I lived in the Springs, uh, I lived in Chicago and that there, I worked at the University of Chicago.

01:14:10.975 --> 01:14:11.826
Still married during this time?

01:14:11.836 --> 01:14:12.506
Still married.

01:14:12.525 --> 01:14:12.845
Yeah.

01:14:12.916 --> 01:14:13.225
Yeah.

01:14:13.315 --> 01:14:16.685
My ex husband, uh, got his MBA at the University of Chicago.

01:14:17.265 --> 01:14:19.095
I worked at the University of Chicago.

01:14:19.136 --> 01:14:19.956
Smart kids worked there.

01:14:19.985 --> 01:14:23.900
I actually was, uh, entertaining the idea of an economics degree at Chicago.

01:14:24.100 --> 01:14:25.621
University of Chicago back in the day.

01:14:25.711 --> 01:14:26.631
Yeah, yeah.

01:14:26.720 --> 01:14:28.574
So when we were But they wouldn't take me.

01:14:28.574 --> 01:14:29.104
I'm just kidding.

01:14:29.104 --> 01:14:34.661
Well, when we were there, it was a very, um, very, very nerdy Totally.

01:14:34.671 --> 01:14:35.280
Place.

01:14:35.310 --> 01:14:35.690
You know?

01:14:35.701 --> 01:14:38.100
Very high intellect.

01:14:39.171 --> 01:14:39.341
Yeah.

01:14:39.381 --> 01:14:42.560
I think I could If you get your MBA there, somebody will hire you for too much money.

01:14:42.621 --> 01:14:42.881
Yeah.

01:14:42.881 --> 01:14:52.286
I think also, though, there was, um, Like, the undergrad was, the undergrad population was just not really connected to anything other than academics.

01:14:52.296 --> 01:14:52.565
Right.

01:14:52.567 --> 01:14:52.945
You know, brilliant, brilliant people.

01:14:52.945 --> 01:14:55.029
No, I think that's 100 percent accurate.

01:14:55.029 --> 01:15:00.011
They were academics, but they never really Like their theories that they came out with, at least from the school of economics.

01:15:00.350 --> 01:15:00.711
Oh.

01:15:00.720 --> 01:15:03.261
Generally proved to be bullshit in the real world.

01:15:03.871 --> 01:15:06.140
And it probably was that way with some of their other stuff too.

01:15:07.501 --> 01:15:08.831
I've shifted my perspectives.

01:15:09.711 --> 01:15:10.390
Interesting.

01:15:10.740 --> 01:15:11.671
So I worked there.

01:15:11.671 --> 01:15:13.270
My kids were really little.

01:15:14.390 --> 01:15:17.341
like, actually my son was a newborn and my daughter was like two.

01:15:17.701 --> 01:15:23.640
And I worked, um, I did, worked in student activities and I grew a program.

01:15:23.650 --> 01:15:27.220
I taught aerobics and then I grew the program.

01:15:28.291 --> 01:15:31.551
You know, the, and I can't remember the, guy who I worked for.

01:15:32.060 --> 01:15:36.381
But he became he was friends with another friend of mine who stayed in Chicago.

01:15:36.381 --> 01:15:40.720
And anytime I would visit her, she'd be like, Oh, yeah, I know his first name, right?

01:15:40.720 --> 01:15:46.951
Ray asked about you, because I really helped to grow the whole student services program at Idaho noise hall.

01:15:47.291 --> 01:15:47.520
Yeah.

01:15:47.600 --> 01:15:48.661
I think that's one of those.

01:15:49.211 --> 01:15:55.860
You know, kind of when I realized that, you know, I, I can get stuff done, I can, I can make things happen.

01:15:55.860 --> 01:15:56.980
I can grow things.

01:15:56.980 --> 01:15:58.320
Can move people, can make things happen.

01:15:58.341 --> 01:16:08.780
You know, I think that's such an interesting observation on the world at large, like there's so many people that things happen to, and there's other people that make things happen.

01:16:09.301 --> 01:16:16.871
And if you start to believe in yourself as a person that can make things happen instead of someone that things happen to, it's a big shift.

01:16:17.011 --> 01:16:17.591
Oh yeah.

01:16:17.621 --> 01:16:18.940
Well, I think it's a.

01:16:20.036 --> 01:16:22.905
I think it's, it's that belief system, right?

01:16:22.926 --> 01:16:27.445
If, if you believe something happens to you, to me, that's a victim mentality.

01:16:27.445 --> 01:16:32.395
And I've never really, you know, like when you even asked about when I went to high school, like, what was it?

01:16:32.395 --> 01:16:35.426
I never thought anything happened to me in junior high.

01:16:35.426 --> 01:16:38.386
I was just kind of quiet and didn't want to deal with that thing.

01:16:38.905 --> 01:16:44.996
Um, yeah, but then at the University of Chicago, I also taught at Northwestern that summer, uh, same thing.

01:16:44.997 --> 01:16:52.886
I it was for People who were like, older people, MBAs, you know, like older, they're probably.

01:16:53.095 --> 01:17:04.355
Well, it's really your niche communication skill again, that kind of goes back to your ability to identify specific people that need to hear this message and now hear it.

01:17:04.605 --> 01:17:04.735
Yeah.

01:17:06.126 --> 01:17:10.496
Anyway, that's at least what I'm kind of thinking about as far as not to put you in a box, Julie.

01:17:10.546 --> 01:17:11.636
No, but you're right.

01:17:11.676 --> 01:17:14.445
That's kind of where I'm starting to see your area of brilliance, we'll say.

01:17:14.485 --> 01:17:16.645
Zone of brilliance is better than putting you in that box.

01:17:16.716 --> 01:17:17.296
Yeah, yeah.

01:17:17.926 --> 01:17:22.076
So, so you're starting to really kind of believe in that element of yourself, I guess.

01:17:22.077 --> 01:17:23.036
Yeah.

01:17:23.036 --> 01:17:26.640
And, uh, Yeah, and like, what's next?

01:17:26.730 --> 01:17:33.030
University of Chicago, uh, moved to Indianapolis, uh, after that, and, uh I guess because your husband got a good job, I hope?

01:17:33.030 --> 01:17:33.711
Yeah, he did, yeah.

01:17:33.711 --> 01:17:35.501
Because otherwise, why would you move to Indianapolis, really?

01:17:35.502 --> 01:17:37.801
I mean, except for the football team, you guys rock.

01:17:39.220 --> 01:17:42.251
You know, so it was, um, really good people in Indianapolis.

01:17:42.570 --> 01:17:42.890
That too.

01:17:42.940 --> 01:17:43.860
Really, really good people.

01:17:43.860 --> 01:17:49.865
I'm from North Dakota, just for, you know Those of you in Indianapolis saying, well, at least I'm not in North Dakota, yeah, exactly.

01:17:50.235 --> 01:17:55.605
You know, yeah, here's the thing too, and this is something that I feel like I have really learned from my parents.

01:17:55.636 --> 01:18:08.095
My parents traveled a lot, as I said, my dad lived all over the world, and whenever they would travel, they'd come home and they'd be like, we met the nicest people, I'm like, You met the nicest people because you're the nicest people, right?

01:18:08.126 --> 01:18:13.985
And so like I moved to Indianapolis and I made this great, you know, built this great community of friends.

01:18:14.376 --> 01:18:38.720
Um, and I had a job opportunity at Butler University and I worked there in, um, in the admission office and I grew and built this program that was called the STARS program and it was Student Telecounseling Ambassador and at the time it was cutting We were calling, I wasn't, I had a, I, when I started.

01:18:38.720 --> 01:18:39.990
You were promoting this thing.

01:18:40.320 --> 01:18:50.860
Actually, I was, um, so I came in, I worked for the director of admission, and there were students coming in every, like, four nights a week, calling prospective students.

01:18:51.070 --> 01:18:51.820
Imagine that.

01:18:52.386 --> 01:18:54.916
Massive piles of paper, right?

01:18:54.956 --> 01:18:56.695
With paper notes on them.

01:18:57.265 --> 01:18:59.876
You know, no system, no organization.

01:19:00.355 --> 01:19:05.886
And so I worked with a computer person at the university and we systemized the whole thing.

01:19:05.886 --> 01:19:10.775
We had like very specific calling protocols of when we were going to call the students.

01:19:10.775 --> 01:19:12.315
Are you going to come to admitted student day?

01:19:12.315 --> 01:19:13.286
Are you going to come to this?

01:19:13.286 --> 01:19:14.286
Are you going to come to that?

01:19:14.286 --> 01:19:15.115
Totally.

01:19:15.280 --> 01:19:22.831
And so I worked with probably 15 students, we grew, we built a, like a student center where they would, you know, yeah.

01:19:22.841 --> 01:19:24.650
So it was super, I loved it.

01:19:24.711 --> 01:19:29.560
It was like, you know, having all these younger brothers and sisters working for me.

01:19:29.570 --> 01:19:35.530
Well, and you, you cater well to delegation, it seems.

01:19:36.001 --> 01:19:36.390
Yeah.

01:19:36.391 --> 01:19:38.520
I love delegating stuff.

01:19:39.261 --> 01:19:41.150
I love delegating stuff I don't want to do.

01:19:41.251 --> 01:19:42.121
Right, right.

01:19:42.121 --> 01:19:45.610
Well, it was a lot of hands that needed to be aligned for that to really make a difference.

01:19:45.610 --> 01:19:52.836
It It's, you could only really do so much, but what's kind of a vision for where we could move these stacks of paper to being actually an effective solution?

01:19:52.845 --> 01:19:53.756
A hundred percent.

01:19:53.765 --> 01:20:04.676
And the reality is too, is that no, you know, my daughter, after she graduated from undergrad, like she worked on the recruiting team for the company that she worked for.

01:20:04.676 --> 01:20:07.786
And after she was there, like two or three years, they're like, Oh yeah, you're too old.

01:20:07.786 --> 01:20:08.876
Nobody wants to talk to you.

01:20:08.905 --> 01:20:14.095
Cause you're like, you know, cause she'd like aged out of being, being the cool kid at McKinsey, right?

01:20:14.786 --> 01:20:18.636
But like, I mean, I was like 15 years out of college at that.

01:20:18.636 --> 01:20:19.725
I don't know, 10 years out of college.

01:20:19.765 --> 01:20:21.095
No, like that's not cool.

01:20:21.105 --> 01:20:21.376
Right.

01:20:21.376 --> 01:20:24.836
So they were talking to perspective students, current students.

01:20:25.435 --> 01:20:26.376
They were super cool.

01:20:26.376 --> 01:20:30.586
But I, you know, I had to like guide them and be like, this is what you can talk about.

01:20:30.586 --> 01:20:32.536
This is what we're not going to talk about.

01:20:32.536 --> 01:20:32.905
Right.

01:20:32.905 --> 01:20:35.195
Well, and here's just a basic.

01:20:36.185 --> 01:20:37.926
for what's upcoming.

01:20:37.926 --> 01:20:40.176
You don't, we don't want you guys winging it with every call.

01:20:40.185 --> 01:20:41.605
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of.

01:20:42.895 --> 01:20:43.836
So I built that program.

01:20:43.836 --> 01:20:44.615
It was awesome.

01:20:44.615 --> 01:20:48.546
And that's, that's where I got my master's degree in school counseling.

01:20:49.086 --> 01:20:53.626
And I remember, Oh, so school counseling, I had forgotten.

01:20:53.626 --> 01:20:57.065
I was thinking you were a teacher, teacher, but no, more in that moment.

01:20:57.065 --> 01:20:57.426
Okay.

01:20:57.506 --> 01:20:57.935
Yeah.

01:20:58.676 --> 01:21:02.546
So, um, I got my master's degree and I remember I was so.

01:21:02.886 --> 01:21:05.055
This is like embarrassingly arrogant.

01:21:05.055 --> 01:21:08.956
I started a job before I'd actually finished my master's degree.

01:21:09.395 --> 01:21:10.735
So I had two young kids.

01:21:11.126 --> 01:21:18.555
Um, I was, started working full time and I was doing my internship and I decided to be president of the PTO that year.

01:21:19.746 --> 01:21:28.115
And I, I started this job at a middle school and, um, I had the job of two full time people.

01:21:28.166 --> 01:21:29.695
They put those two jobs together.

01:21:30.206 --> 01:21:34.520
And I got one full time job that was two full time jobs.

01:21:35.091 --> 01:21:35.331
Yeah.

01:21:35.400 --> 01:21:35.640
Normal.

01:21:35.640 --> 01:21:36.220
Of course I did.

01:21:36.251 --> 01:21:36.501
Yeah.

01:21:36.551 --> 01:21:37.051
Of course I did.

01:21:37.161 --> 01:21:37.180
Yeah.

01:21:37.190 --> 01:21:41.820
With some jobs it works, but if they actually had jobs, then it doesn't.

01:21:41.820 --> 01:21:41.990
Yeah.

01:21:42.100 --> 01:21:42.421
Yeah.

01:21:43.091 --> 01:21:47.411
So, like, just implosion of self, too many things?

01:21:47.421 --> 01:21:47.640
No.

01:21:48.051 --> 01:21:48.520
No.

01:21:48.520 --> 01:21:50.591
I, I mean, I thrived in that.

01:21:50.600 --> 01:21:52.860
Like, I did all the things.

01:21:52.860 --> 01:21:54.430
Like, all the T's got crossed.

01:21:54.701 --> 01:21:56.341
Everything worked.

01:21:56.565 --> 01:21:57.466
Everything worked.

01:21:57.485 --> 01:21:59.605
Um, and I worked with the sixth graders.

01:22:00.076 --> 01:22:09.536
Um, I, you know, it was interesting because one of my, one of the people who I worked with, I was a, it was sixth, seventh and eighth grade middle school.

01:22:10.015 --> 01:22:11.496
And so I worked with the sixth graders.

01:22:11.496 --> 01:22:14.405
That's like a huge transition year, right?

01:22:14.435 --> 01:22:16.786
You know, like they're all coming in and all this kind of thing.

01:22:17.386 --> 01:22:24.211
And the woman who, I had worked with her at the university when I was getting my master's degree.

01:22:24.211 --> 01:22:28.570
She had this like great reputation, but in the real world.

01:22:29.430 --> 01:22:31.261
She had a horrible reputation.

01:22:31.961 --> 01:22:34.341
Like she never did anything like she.

01:22:34.690 --> 01:22:35.261
Interesting.

01:22:35.360 --> 01:22:35.850
Anyway.

01:22:35.850 --> 01:22:42.661
So I started working at the school and everybody saw me as her protege and I got lit up.

01:22:43.131 --> 01:22:47.501
I mean, people were like, you know, they thought that I was like her and I wasn't going to do anything.

01:22:47.541 --> 01:22:52.520
And I, and I had this great mentor at that school and worked with, anyway.

01:22:52.560 --> 01:22:54.030
So yeah, that was interesting.

01:22:54.081 --> 01:22:57.970
Moved to, uh, I was there for four years.

01:22:58.506 --> 01:23:02.716
Moved to Fort Collins got a job right away with your husband's job.

01:23:02.716 --> 01:23:19.841
Yes Yep, yeah, and I then worked at Lincoln Middle School So, yeah, worked at Lincoln Middle School, right away I got a job, like two days before school started.

01:23:19.841 --> 01:23:20.631
I interviewed.

01:23:20.631 --> 01:23:21.011
Oh, wow.

01:23:21.171 --> 01:23:22.220
Yeah, I interviewed.

01:23:22.220 --> 01:23:23.881
My principal was amazing.

01:23:23.890 --> 01:23:24.661
Lou Marchesano.

01:23:24.671 --> 01:23:25.900
Sometimes still in Northern California.

01:23:25.900 --> 01:23:27.367
Well, they were desperate probably, too, right?

01:23:27.367 --> 01:23:29.462
So you got a job two days before school started.

01:23:29.462 --> 01:23:31.020
Yeah, they had a new principal.

01:23:31.041 --> 01:23:33.940
I had, it was a great situation for me.

01:23:33.940 --> 01:23:39.506
I was on a team that really wanted to, have some, you know, make some changes and do some really cool things for kids.

01:23:39.525 --> 01:23:41.086
Remember where Lincoln is?

01:23:41.145 --> 01:23:43.006
Lincoln's in, uh, northern Fort Collins.

01:23:43.416 --> 01:23:44.176
Okay, yeah.

01:23:44.216 --> 01:23:44.865
I know I've seen it.

01:23:44.865 --> 01:23:45.796
I've been there even.

01:23:45.796 --> 01:23:47.485
I can't, I just couldn't remember which one it was.

01:23:47.655 --> 01:23:47.855
Yep.

01:23:48.115 --> 01:23:52.246
Um, so, and you moved to Fort Collins just with your husband's work?

01:23:52.256 --> 01:23:56.086
Yep, my He graduated I guess got his master's or something or what was he doing?

01:23:56.166 --> 01:24:02.095
So, uh, at the University of Chicago, he got his MBA and then moved to Indianapolis.

01:24:02.105 --> 01:24:12.315
He worked for Eli Lilly for a while, a guiding company, and then, um, got let go from there and, uh, needed to find something else to do.

01:24:12.315 --> 01:24:14.876
So he was hired by Swift, JB Swift.

01:24:14.916 --> 01:24:15.305
Oh, wow.

01:24:15.650 --> 01:24:17.900
Uh, at the time, and so we moved here.

01:24:17.900 --> 01:24:24.551
We were like, we were thrilled because, you know, living in Fort Collins is a great place to live.

01:24:24.551 --> 01:24:24.820
For sure.

01:24:24.820 --> 01:24:25.570
As you know.

01:24:25.591 --> 01:24:26.890
Like, totally.

01:24:26.921 --> 01:24:28.990
People never leave here and you're like, this is sweet.

01:24:29.081 --> 01:24:29.301
Yeah.

01:24:29.341 --> 01:24:30.470
This is awesome.

01:24:30.511 --> 01:24:30.671
Right.

01:24:30.671 --> 01:24:33.440
You know, again, had a great experience in Indianapolis.

01:24:33.440 --> 01:24:35.030
Got my master's degree there.

01:24:35.030 --> 01:24:36.820
You know, my kids lived there for many.

01:24:37.350 --> 01:24:39.421
Yeah, It was really good there.

01:24:40.430 --> 01:24:42.761
And then moved here and I was like, Oh yeah, this is good.

01:24:43.791 --> 01:24:45.871
I don't care if you like your job better or not, honey.

01:24:47.301 --> 01:24:48.911
And you loved your job right away.

01:24:48.921 --> 01:24:49.980
Did you like the school counseling?

01:24:50.600 --> 01:24:51.131
Oh yeah.

01:24:51.501 --> 01:24:56.881
So I had worked as a school counselor, um, before I finished my degree.

01:24:57.286 --> 01:25:00.195
I was offered a position and that's when I had the two positions.

01:25:00.645 --> 01:25:01.055
Yeah.

01:25:01.086 --> 01:25:08.645
And so, um, I worked as the district coordinator for experiential education, which was challenge education, a low ropes and a teams course.

01:25:09.225 --> 01:25:15.586
I built that program like, I don't know, like 20, 000 percent in, in four years.

01:25:15.586 --> 01:25:15.706
Yeah.

01:25:15.706 --> 01:25:23.916
I mean, I just grew it and did a bunch of outreach and so grew that in the district and, uh, yeah, then moved out here.

01:25:24.430 --> 01:25:25.900
worked at Lincoln Middle School.

01:25:25.911 --> 01:25:28.480
Like I said, we had a great admin team.

01:25:28.990 --> 01:25:38.451
And then after, I don't remember how long I, I really had ever since I worked at Butler, I knew I really wanted to help students with their college admission process.

01:25:39.060 --> 01:25:46.430
I thought that that would just be, you know, put them in the right spot, put them in the right spot, help them from the beginning.

01:25:46.451 --> 01:25:49.911
So when I worked at Butler, like that's really what we did.

01:25:49.911 --> 01:25:50.530
We helped them.

01:25:50.751 --> 01:25:52.610
You know, is this the right place for you?

01:25:53.060 --> 01:25:56.211
And there's, there still are many.

01:25:56.485 --> 01:26:03.105
Children, you know, high schoolers who don't know what they don't know about what they need to do to get into college.

01:26:03.105 --> 01:26:11.216
And I thought, if I can work with students when they're younger, you know, not not junior high necessarily, but work with them when they're in high school.

01:26:11.615 --> 01:26:20.895
to put them on that path, to give them the confidence, to give them the courage, to give them the self esteem, and to create that vision for them that like, yes, you can go to college.

01:26:20.895 --> 01:26:22.945
Especially like first generation students.

01:26:23.015 --> 01:26:23.905
And there were a lot of those.

01:26:23.916 --> 01:26:26.405
Students from rural places, things like that.

01:26:26.405 --> 01:26:34.600
You know, I remember when I went to college, I was, I was like the smartest Kid from my grade from a really tiny I graduated with five kids in North Dakota.

01:26:34.730 --> 01:26:48.360
Oh, wow So I was sure every kid at college was gonna be smarter than me And it took me like two years to figure out that that wasn't true interesting, you know and So like the right person at the right time could have really Change that timeline.

01:26:48.701 --> 01:26:49.261
Yeah.

01:26:49.390 --> 01:26:49.770
Yeah.

01:26:49.780 --> 01:26:54.280
So then I started they started at the high school and And that was good.

01:26:54.280 --> 01:26:56.770
And and then and then I had the sabbatical.

01:26:57.171 --> 01:27:02.211
I had the sabbatical right and that was that was Huge for me.

01:27:02.211 --> 01:27:05.400
I realized that doing something with that.

01:27:05.400 --> 01:27:11.645
I did, you know, I loved photography for so many years Like, you know, I said I go back to the little camera.

01:27:12.895 --> 01:27:17.695
I didn't know how I could do something that would make a difference.

01:27:17.695 --> 01:27:23.015
Like pretty, pretty pictures are great, but like that wasn't, that just wasn't my thing.

01:27:23.055 --> 01:27:28.586
I wanted really more to have, to be able to create transformational experiences.

01:27:29.195 --> 01:27:37.791
And so I started doing that part As an educator, and then there came a time when I was like, yep, I'm going full time.

01:27:38.201 --> 01:27:38.671
I'm going to do this.

01:27:39.310 --> 01:27:39.560
Yeah.

01:27:39.570 --> 01:27:52.310
Well, and it seems like that transformational experiences thing, like in some ways, like that's your, your sabbatical consolidated into, you know, A shorter experience.

01:27:53.001 --> 01:27:56.961
And, and quite honestly, it's like, it's my life, you know?

01:27:56.961 --> 01:28:00.220
I mean, it's like, I have reinvented myself so many times.

01:28:00.350 --> 01:28:03.020
You've reinvented a bunch of other organizations as well.

01:28:03.070 --> 01:28:03.551
Yes.

01:28:03.680 --> 01:28:21.136
Um, yeah, I was just thinking to myself that if you could, uh, help me transition to full time podcaster and find me a good CEO that would blow Loco Think Tank up, maybe we should, you know, I'm not sure that, I mean, that is my encore career, but we got a little work to do probably here.

01:28:21.145 --> 01:28:24.225
I think, well, doing what I want to do more of.

01:28:24.225 --> 01:28:25.456
And what is that?

01:28:25.485 --> 01:28:26.826
Is it podcasting?

01:28:26.905 --> 01:28:44.470
I think like for me, the, the, a dream job of the future that, you know, when I'm old or even 10 years from now or five years from now, or tomorrow would be traveling the country and finding other people in other communities that should help establish local think tanks there.

01:28:44.650 --> 01:28:46.121
I think that's brilliant.

01:28:46.240 --> 01:28:49.020
Um, and I'm just not quite sure how to go about it yet.

01:28:49.350 --> 01:28:52.001
Uh, and so, uh, we could probably figure that out.

01:28:52.850 --> 01:28:53.610
I'm sure we could.

01:28:53.610 --> 01:28:57.371
We're figuring it out a little bit at a time, but I could perhaps accelerate my transition.

01:28:57.371 --> 01:28:57.711
I don't know.

01:28:58.020 --> 01:28:58.770
Maybe we'll see.

01:28:59.220 --> 01:29:06.970
Um, so anyway, so, um, to get back to your journey and really, I was like, we're getting back close to.

01:29:07.831 --> 01:29:09.440
Becoming a full time photographer, right?

01:29:09.470 --> 01:29:10.270
Mm hmm.

01:29:10.341 --> 01:29:10.661
Yeah.

01:29:10.671 --> 01:29:12.610
Um, and how long did that idea simmer?

01:29:12.621 --> 01:29:17.945
Like, did you come back from your sabbatical going, I think I'm gonna Turn a page here?

01:29:18.525 --> 01:29:19.655
No, no, no.

01:29:19.655 --> 01:29:23.655
I mean, I, I came, I came back and I said, I'm going to start a photography business.

01:29:23.786 --> 01:29:24.145
Okay.

01:29:24.235 --> 01:29:26.935
Like this is something I love.

01:29:26.935 --> 01:29:28.025
This is something I want.

01:29:28.176 --> 01:29:29.716
This is something I'm good at.

01:29:30.136 --> 01:29:33.095
I have, I have, what was those four things that you had to line up?

01:29:33.235 --> 01:29:34.716
Uh, what do you love?

01:29:34.756 --> 01:29:36.006
What are you good at?

01:29:36.025 --> 01:29:38.046
What can you get paid for and what the world needs?

01:29:38.095 --> 01:29:38.345
Yeah.

01:29:38.676 --> 01:29:39.006
Yeah.

01:29:39.626 --> 01:29:42.895
And, um, I just, I didn't know.

01:29:43.911 --> 01:29:50.041
Diane von Furstenberg has some kind of quote about like, I didn't know how, but I always knew the woman that I wanted to be.

01:29:50.270 --> 01:29:50.381
Yeah.

01:29:50.791 --> 01:29:51.110
Right.

01:29:51.560 --> 01:30:00.820
And like for me, it's always been that element of transformation and I didn't really realize how I could do that with photography.

01:30:00.820 --> 01:30:01.921
So I got a mentor.

01:30:02.400 --> 01:30:05.551
I worked, you know, I learned as much as I could.

01:30:05.640 --> 01:30:05.711
Yeah.

01:30:06.211 --> 01:30:10.815
And um, you know, started, started working as a photographer.

01:30:11.235 --> 01:30:16.155
And then, uh, pretty quickly sounds like we've got a pretty successful business of it.

01:30:16.916 --> 01:30:17.336
Yeah.

01:30:17.695 --> 01:30:18.086
Yeah.

01:30:18.676 --> 01:30:22.466
And, and loved and still love every minute of it.

01:30:22.485 --> 01:30:42.956
Love all of the branding, love the transformation that when people see these photographs of themselves, they're like, I mean, I have a, a friend, a lot of times my clients become friends and my, you know, my friends have also become clients and a client said to me, she said, you know, I, I'm a writer.

01:30:43.320 --> 01:30:50.140
But she didn't really see herself as a writer until she saw her photographs, right?

01:30:50.650 --> 01:30:59.961
You know, so there's something really powerful, nearly 90 percent of everything that we, our brain processes in any moment is visual.

01:31:00.091 --> 01:31:00.381
Hmm.

01:31:00.930 --> 01:31:01.240
Interesting.

01:31:01.381 --> 01:31:01.820
Yeah.

01:31:01.881 --> 01:31:15.381
So having photographs of that vision of who you want to become and, and literally like That vision of yourself through someone else's lens is really, really powerful.

01:31:15.421 --> 01:31:24.871
And which is why in, in my private coaching and consulting, a photo shoot is part of that because being able to see that.

01:31:25.395 --> 01:31:33.435
I really find it interesting that, like, a lot of your early successes with, were organizationally.

01:31:33.435 --> 01:31:41.176
Like you would see a problem with an organization, how it was doing things, you know, the calling things and different things and find a better way.

01:31:41.395 --> 01:31:41.725
Yeah.

01:31:42.095 --> 01:31:48.805
And I suppose you could say that, if you zoom it up, you'd say that I see that same problem in our society now.

01:31:49.315 --> 01:31:57.720
But, You've kind of zoomed into a much more relational kind of engagement that's got the same leverage, right?

01:31:57.720 --> 01:32:04.131
Because each of these people that you help could start a business that employs people, that changes lives, that makes an impact.

01:32:04.490 --> 01:32:11.740
Well, I believe everything that we do, if we choose to, we can change the world for good.

01:32:11.881 --> 01:32:12.121
Yeah.

01:32:12.261 --> 01:32:13.310
Like, for good.

01:32:13.775 --> 01:32:18.386
You know, I, I saw, uh, Mark and I went to see Wicked a couple of weeks ago, right?

01:32:18.405 --> 01:32:23.595
And there's, there's a song in there that of like, because I knew you, I've been changed for good.

01:32:23.645 --> 01:32:23.985
Yeah.

01:32:24.046 --> 01:32:33.110
And, and that's my, like, I think that, like, I don't work with people who just want to like, grind it out or whatever, right?

01:32:33.110 --> 01:32:42.871
Like I work with people who really have a passion and a purpose for what they do and want to, want to see the world better as a better place.

01:32:43.190 --> 01:32:48.921
I feel like, you know, there's a lot of doubt and a lot of fear in our country, in our world right now.

01:32:49.430 --> 01:32:55.070
And if, if we can really stay centered and grounded in who we are.

01:32:55.171 --> 01:32:55.621
Yeah.

01:32:55.740 --> 01:33:00.435
Well, in all of us, if all of us just work to make the world a little bit better, Yeah.

01:33:00.485 --> 01:33:01.786
Like the world would get better.

01:33:01.876 --> 01:33:02.576
For sure.

01:33:02.985 --> 01:33:05.076
And I think the world does get better.

01:33:05.076 --> 01:33:13.586
Well, but it's the fear and the, the kind of grasping ness of people that are concerned about getting their fair chance at the world.

01:33:13.655 --> 01:33:13.996
Yeah.

01:33:14.025 --> 01:33:16.015
That's where the harm comes in usually.

01:33:16.115 --> 01:33:16.565
Yes.

01:33:16.626 --> 01:33:17.746
Or the neglect.

01:33:18.126 --> 01:33:18.315
Yeah.

01:33:18.315 --> 01:33:19.105
Of all those things.

01:33:19.746 --> 01:33:23.166
That seems like a good transition point to our, uh, closing segments.

01:33:23.265 --> 01:33:23.845
Okay.

01:33:24.671 --> 01:33:26.621
Faith, family, politics.

01:33:26.761 --> 01:33:28.070
Where would you like to start?

01:33:29.661 --> 01:33:30.770
Let's start with family.

01:33:31.030 --> 01:33:31.320
Okay.

01:33:31.951 --> 01:33:34.140
Um, let's start with your sister.

01:33:34.320 --> 01:33:34.810
Okay.

01:33:34.881 --> 01:33:40.740
Uh, let's give, uh, give a shout out to her and, uh, just talk about your relationship a little bit.

01:33:41.060 --> 01:33:41.591
Okay.

01:33:41.690 --> 01:33:43.190
So I'm the older sister.

01:33:43.192 --> 01:33:47.070
My sister, Karin, uh, lives in the Chicago suburbs.

01:33:49.666 --> 01:33:50.515
Oh, my gosh.

01:33:50.565 --> 01:33:51.256
She has.

01:33:51.496 --> 01:33:54.506
So she this is this is an interesting thing.

01:33:54.536 --> 01:33:57.586
She came to the University of Illinois after I did.

01:33:57.945 --> 01:33:58.256
Right.

01:33:58.256 --> 01:34:01.615
And so we we did a little bit of college together.

01:34:01.746 --> 01:34:06.201
And, uh, She has an engineering undergraduate degree.

01:34:06.201 --> 01:34:07.041
Oh, interesting.

01:34:07.201 --> 01:34:07.451
Yeah.

01:34:07.801 --> 01:34:11.871
And, uh, she did it for a couple of years.

01:34:11.871 --> 01:34:13.161
She did very well.

01:34:13.161 --> 01:34:17.150
She was very successful and she didn't want to do it anymore.

01:34:17.180 --> 01:34:23.470
She was doing litigation consulting and it was freaking just draining her.

01:34:24.211 --> 01:34:32.600
And she, she had always had this dream of being a physician, of becoming a doctor.

01:34:34.895 --> 01:34:38.525
I was like, so, you know, probably over a bottle of wine or two.

01:34:39.136 --> 01:34:44.865
Um, you know, she, she was like, yeah, but when I graduate, so she had this engineer, I have this engineering degree.

01:34:44.865 --> 01:34:45.666
I can't be a doctor.

01:34:45.666 --> 01:34:45.966
Yeah.

01:34:45.966 --> 01:34:46.916
She had an engineering degree.

01:34:46.917 --> 01:34:52.386
She'd worked, she'd worked in engineering for, I don't know, five, seven years, something like that after college.

01:34:52.386 --> 01:34:52.555
Right.

01:34:52.555 --> 01:34:54.775
So she was, she was not 30 yet.

01:34:54.975 --> 01:34:55.345
Right.

01:34:56.065 --> 01:34:59.145
And she's like, yeah, but if I go to med school now, I'll be.

01:34:59.565 --> 01:35:05.975
However, like somewhere in her 30s, when she graduated, right, like, that was like, oh, so dramatic, right?

01:35:06.565 --> 01:35:10.350
And I was like, Well, in seven years, you're going to be 34 anyway.

01:35:11.440 --> 01:35:12.591
That's what I said to her.

01:35:13.100 --> 01:35:20.030
And so she did end up, you know, she, she left her career, a very successful engineering career.

01:35:20.091 --> 01:35:24.360
Uh, she went to, in fact, interestingly, she spent some time as I did.

01:35:24.711 --> 01:35:30.320
She lived in San Diego for a while and, um, took some classes at the university of San Diego.

01:35:30.780 --> 01:35:44.286
And then yeah, when she did not do a sabbatical in Spain, but yeah, Yeah, and then, uh, went to Georgetown, got her medical degree, and is back in Chicago practicing medicine at Northwestern University.

01:35:44.286 --> 01:35:45.235
I'm super proud of her.

01:35:45.595 --> 01:35:47.655
She does really good things in the world, yeah.

01:35:48.451 --> 01:35:53.341
One of the things we always do is, uh, one word descriptions of your children.

01:35:54.110 --> 01:35:55.990
Uh, are you comfortable with that, Tess?

01:35:55.990 --> 01:35:56.680
Oh, yeah.

01:35:56.680 --> 01:35:57.911
One word descriptions?

01:35:57.911 --> 01:36:01.940
Well, you can expand after that, but, uh, just a one word bucket if you can.

01:36:03.341 --> 01:36:05.291
Hyphens are allowed, but not encouraged.

01:36:05.291 --> 01:36:05.791
Okay.

01:36:06.261 --> 01:36:12.770
I would say, remarkable teachers.

01:36:13.451 --> 01:36:14.320
Oh, are you trying to do the teachers?

01:36:15.525 --> 01:36:18.275
Yeah, I will do, I will do both of them together.

01:36:18.305 --> 01:36:22.336
And I can, I can expand on each of them if Sure, yeah, I might cry.

01:36:22.576 --> 01:36:23.216
That's okay.

01:36:23.405 --> 01:36:23.666
Yeah.

01:36:23.685 --> 01:36:25.235
I got tissues right underneath the table here.

01:36:25.286 --> 01:36:26.626
Okay, next to the tequila.

01:36:27.956 --> 01:36:30.666
Actually, they're not there, but I will get you a tissue if I see you need it.

01:36:30.666 --> 01:36:38.956
I, it's, you know, I was a counselor and I used to always say to my students, um, something that my grandmother, my grandmother in Norway would say to me.

01:36:39.515 --> 01:36:44.256
Um, like if kids would cry, you know, they'd be all upset, they'd be trying to dry their tears or whatever.

01:36:44.826 --> 01:36:47.695
And my grandmother, my Norwegian grandmother, was very proper.

01:36:47.805 --> 01:36:52.305
My, um, grandfather was a diplomat, right?

01:36:52.305 --> 01:36:52.666
Oh, wow.

01:36:52.725 --> 01:36:53.065
Yeah.

01:36:53.095 --> 01:36:54.525
But she was very proper.

01:36:54.876 --> 01:36:59.086
But if anybody ever farted, she'd always be like, Oh, better on the outside than on the inside.

01:36:59.087 --> 01:37:00.735
Right?

01:37:00.735 --> 01:37:00.756
Yeah.

01:37:00.756 --> 01:37:01.765
Very pragmatic as well.

01:37:01.926 --> 01:37:02.435
Right, right.

01:37:02.756 --> 01:37:08.086
So I would tell my students if they were crying, like crying, the tears are better on the outside, right?

01:37:08.087 --> 01:37:08.105
Right.

01:37:08.105 --> 01:37:08.850
And it would always be better.

01:37:08.850 --> 01:37:09.600
bring a laugh.

01:37:09.650 --> 01:37:10.711
Oh, that's really nice.

01:37:11.331 --> 01:37:12.041
And it's true.

01:37:12.501 --> 01:37:14.720
I like that.

01:37:14.720 --> 01:37:22.801
Anyway, so my children, um, I'm, I'm super, super proud of who my children are and where they are.

01:37:22.890 --> 01:37:30.201
Um, and it's interesting because they, we've, we've certainly had a journey together as all.

01:37:30.640 --> 01:37:32.390
Parents and children do.

01:37:32.921 --> 01:37:41.801
Uh, we moved here when my daughter, into northern Colorado when my daughter was in starting 10th grade and my son was starting 8th grade.

01:37:41.881 --> 01:37:42.261
Okay.

01:37:42.381 --> 01:37:43.381
And they did great.

01:37:43.631 --> 01:37:44.810
They transitioned.

01:37:44.810 --> 01:37:46.440
So they were pretty old before you and your Yeah.

01:37:46.586 --> 01:37:48.636
First husband relationship.

01:37:48.765 --> 01:37:49.115
Yeah.

01:37:49.655 --> 01:37:50.115
Yeah.

01:37:50.155 --> 01:37:54.185
So my daughter was a senior in high school and my son was a sophomore in high school.

01:37:54.905 --> 01:37:57.046
And that was really, really difficult.

01:37:57.426 --> 01:37:58.935
It was really difficult.

01:37:58.975 --> 01:38:02.815
And quite honestly, it was part of the impetus of why I decided to go to Spain.

01:38:03.225 --> 01:38:10.796
They were both in college at the time when I was in Spain, but I was just like, I need to get out of here and get a different perspective.

01:38:11.586 --> 01:38:31.461
Um, You know, for anybody who has children, you know that it's hard, um, raising children and it's hard divorcing and keeping it all together and they have created these lives for themselves that are Remarkable.

01:38:31.581 --> 01:38:33.820
And I'm super, super proud.

01:38:35.190 --> 01:38:36.671
No, they're certainly not.

01:38:36.740 --> 01:38:42.820
Um, I'm super proud of who they are and who they're becoming and, and what they do in the world.

01:38:43.310 --> 01:38:44.190
So yeah.

01:38:44.621 --> 01:38:44.820
Yeah.

01:38:44.820 --> 01:38:45.850
Let's talk about your first husband.

01:38:46.261 --> 01:38:46.490
I'm just kidding.

01:38:47.591 --> 01:38:47.791
Yeah.

01:38:47.801 --> 01:38:48.161
Thanks.

01:38:48.940 --> 01:38:59.001
No, let's talk about this guy, uh, Mark that you found, uh, where did he come along in the conversation and, uh, what made you say yes to a second date invitation?

01:38:59.220 --> 01:39:01.430
What made me say yes to the second date?

01:39:01.451 --> 01:39:03.701
Well, he was super, super kind.

01:39:03.711 --> 01:39:04.730
Our first date was at the Rio.

01:39:04.740 --> 01:39:05.070
Okay.

01:39:05.081 --> 01:39:06.490
Here's, this is a great story.

01:39:07.100 --> 01:39:09.140
You got wasted at the Rio and he didn't take advantage.

01:39:09.780 --> 01:39:10.430
That's kind of him.

01:39:10.431 --> 01:39:11.570
No wasted Thoreau.

01:39:11.570 --> 01:39:12.711
No wasted Thoreau.

01:39:12.711 --> 01:39:13.020
All right.

01:39:13.261 --> 01:39:13.661
All right.

01:39:13.680 --> 01:39:18.091
However, so we met, you know, we, we met like the old fashioned way on match.

01:39:18.331 --> 01:39:18.551
com.

01:39:18.600 --> 01:39:19.051
Okay.

01:39:19.051 --> 01:39:19.270
Yeah.

01:39:19.411 --> 01:39:19.541
Right.

01:39:19.810 --> 01:39:21.610
And so, you know, a couple of phone calls.

01:39:21.610 --> 01:39:24.081
We're going to meet at the Rio and we closed the Rio.

01:39:24.480 --> 01:39:25.051
Nice.

01:39:25.411 --> 01:39:26.261
On a Sunday night.

01:39:26.320 --> 01:39:28.091
Well, that's a little earlier, but.

01:39:28.610 --> 01:39:28.831
Yeah.

01:39:29.301 --> 01:39:29.591
Yeah.

01:39:29.591 --> 01:39:31.621
That probably means you didn't have three margaritas.

01:39:31.680 --> 01:39:33.020
Did not have three margaritas.

01:39:33.020 --> 01:39:35.110
Had a great conversation.

01:39:35.121 --> 01:39:35.140
Yeah.

01:39:35.530 --> 01:39:37.341
Um, super nice guy.

01:39:37.341 --> 01:39:43.640
We real, we'd both been single for about eight or no, probably like nine years, ten years at that point.

01:39:43.780 --> 01:39:44.140
Yeah.

01:39:44.951 --> 01:39:52.150
And um, so he asked me for a second date like three other times during the week.

01:39:52.161 --> 01:39:54.051
And I, I was on.

01:39:54.520 --> 01:39:55.270
You know, Match.

01:39:55.470 --> 01:39:55.810
com.

01:39:55.810 --> 01:39:57.890
I had other dates and other things going.

01:39:57.890 --> 01:39:59.671
I'm sorry I booked out, baby.

01:40:00.131 --> 01:40:01.841
Yeah, I was, I didn't call him baby.

01:40:02.091 --> 01:40:02.310
Oh, right.

01:40:02.921 --> 01:40:03.421
Not yet.

01:40:03.911 --> 01:40:08.820
Uh, so the But you did have an inkling that he was more special than some of those others?

01:40:08.820 --> 01:40:10.081
Or not necessarily yet?

01:40:10.220 --> 01:40:10.661
Not yet.

01:40:10.770 --> 01:40:12.211
Not, not after the first date.

01:40:12.220 --> 01:40:13.810
Like, he was super kind.

01:40:13.811 --> 01:40:14.074
Right, right.

01:40:14.074 --> 01:40:16.150
He was so So, you know, I'm very smart.

01:40:16.161 --> 01:40:18.820
I'm very attracted to Persistent as well, obviously.

01:40:18.820 --> 01:40:19.331
Yes.

01:40:19.360 --> 01:40:21.841
I'm very attracted to intelligent men.

01:40:21.911 --> 01:40:22.770
That is Yeah, alright.

01:40:22.780 --> 01:40:23.421
Yeah, that's my thing.

01:40:23.911 --> 01:40:29.081
And so, um I like to say, uh, one of my special talents is beautiful women love me.

01:40:29.451 --> 01:40:31.961
Oh! There you go! And beauty isn't just pretty.

01:40:31.961 --> 01:40:33.765
It's like pretty and smart and Like deep.

01:40:33.765 --> 01:40:34.360
And selfless.

01:40:34.435 --> 01:40:36.655
Confident and all those things.

01:40:36.655 --> 01:40:36.716
Yeah.

01:40:36.716 --> 01:40:41.525
And thankfully, you know, I've been married for 20 years and that's part of why they love me.

01:40:41.525 --> 01:40:43.655
'cause I'm not a'cause you're a good guy.

01:40:43.655 --> 01:40:44.256
Jackass.

01:40:44.256 --> 01:40:45.365
You know, I'm not Yeah.

01:40:45.426 --> 01:40:46.235
Inappropriate.

01:40:46.235 --> 01:40:49.326
Well, I'm inappropriate, but not in a way that's insulting.

01:40:49.565 --> 01:40:51.216
Wait, you said, you said you're like not a fun guy.

01:40:51.216 --> 01:40:52.386
You said you're a Nikki guy.

01:40:52.421 --> 01:40:53.076
A creepy guy.

01:40:53.105 --> 01:40:53.765
Creepy, yeah.

01:40:54.395 --> 01:40:56.166
Well, that's, yeah, I don't think you're creepy.

01:40:56.261 --> 01:40:57.275
I, I try not to be.

01:40:57.515 --> 01:40:57.756
You're creepy.

01:40:57.756 --> 01:41:01.985
Anyway, so anyway, so Mark gets this second date after you've dated like three other.

01:41:02.185 --> 01:41:06.876
Guys, you got full calendar, just different, different random different random dates.

01:41:07.326 --> 01:41:13.296
And so we have a second date on, I think it was the following, maybe it was two, it doesn't matter.

01:41:13.626 --> 01:41:20.761
Um, but he planned this, like, so he picks me up in his very clean truck, which now I know is.

01:41:21.506 --> 01:41:22.706
It's very much an anomaly.

01:41:22.746 --> 01:41:23.195
Right, right.

01:41:23.195 --> 01:41:24.126
Because his truck is never clean.

01:41:24.126 --> 01:41:26.405
He cleaned it that day, like two hours before.

01:41:26.456 --> 01:41:28.145
For two hours, probably.

01:41:28.155 --> 01:41:28.336
Right.

01:41:28.336 --> 01:41:29.345
It took him to clean it.

01:41:29.775 --> 01:41:33.466
And he had this, like, huge plan, right?

01:41:33.466 --> 01:41:43.275
Like we went out for dim sum and then we went to the, uh, and we went to Denver and we went to the, um, Denver Museum of Natural History.

01:41:43.345 --> 01:41:43.536
Sure.

01:41:43.546 --> 01:41:46.989
And he had, like, movie tickets and the show tickets and all these super cool things.

01:41:46.989 --> 01:41:47.605
And all things that were, you know.

01:41:47.916 --> 01:41:51.386
Picked up on little cues that you learned from your first date.

01:41:51.386 --> 01:41:52.475
Yes, exactly.

01:41:52.476 --> 01:41:53.395
I suspect.

01:41:53.485 --> 01:42:02.515
And, interestingly, on the way down there, he had a cooler in the back of the truck, and it had like a coffee, like a mocha, something in the back, right?

01:42:02.515 --> 01:42:03.605
And I'm a coffee drinker.

01:42:03.626 --> 01:42:03.935
Yeah, yeah.

01:42:03.935 --> 01:42:06.246
I mentioned, I don't know if I did it on the air, but that I drink coffee.

01:42:06.405 --> 01:42:09.725
Um, you know, have two double espressos in the morning.

01:42:10.365 --> 01:42:12.815
And he had, I'm like, Oh, he heard me.

01:42:14.525 --> 01:42:16.296
Being heard and being seen are pretty powerful.

01:42:16.796 --> 01:42:18.365
And pursuit is also helpful.

01:42:18.367 --> 01:42:20.006
Yeah.

01:42:20.006 --> 01:42:23.296
And so, so that was our second date and it was actually on his birthday.

01:42:23.565 --> 01:42:24.065
Oh, fun.

01:42:24.725 --> 01:42:25.055
Yeah.

01:42:25.126 --> 01:42:27.105
And how long before it was like exclusive.

01:42:28.060 --> 01:42:28.890
Oh, pretty quickly.

01:42:29.001 --> 01:42:30.110
Like, the next day.

01:42:30.112 --> 01:42:30.679
Yeah, a couple weeks.

01:42:30.679 --> 01:42:30.962
Yeah, yeah.

01:42:30.962 --> 01:42:31.389
A couple weeks.

01:42:31.389 --> 01:42:31.770
Yeah, we were.

01:42:31.810 --> 01:42:32.011
Yeah.

01:42:32.011 --> 01:42:35.280
Only three or four more dates with random dudes and I was like, I'm done with that.

01:42:35.341 --> 01:42:35.791
Yeah.

01:42:35.792 --> 01:42:36.411
Yeah.

01:42:36.411 --> 01:42:37.440
So that's, that's that.

01:42:37.650 --> 01:42:37.930
Yeah.

01:42:38.371 --> 01:42:48.501
Um, anything else in the family bucket that you'd really like to celebrate or, you know, you've talked about your granddad and grandma in different ways a little bit.

01:42:49.461 --> 01:42:49.801
Yeah.

01:42:49.810 --> 01:42:52.310
I feel like I've had a really, um.

01:42:52.320 --> 01:42:53.470
You got no grandbabies yet?

01:42:53.591 --> 01:42:53.850
I don't.

01:42:53.850 --> 01:42:54.841
I do have grandbabies.

01:42:54.841 --> 01:42:55.501
Oh, well, good.

01:42:55.501 --> 01:42:56.831
Let's talk, let's talk about them.

01:42:56.841 --> 01:42:57.841
We could have given them a lot more descriptions.

01:42:57.841 --> 01:43:02.841
How, I'm like, how much time do you have if you've ever talked to a grandma before you'd know?

01:43:03.261 --> 01:43:06.121
Yeah, so, um, I have.

01:43:06.761 --> 01:43:08.890
Well, mark has three grandsons.

01:43:08.921 --> 01:43:08.951
Okay.

01:43:08.951 --> 01:43:10.871
So we have like a, the Brady Bunch Grand.

01:43:10.930 --> 01:43:12.011
We have grandsons.

01:43:12.015 --> 01:43:12.065
Yeah.

01:43:12.126 --> 01:43:13.690
On the grand, the grandbaby thing.

01:43:13.690 --> 01:43:14.470
Grand level, right?

01:43:14.501 --> 01:43:14.831
Yeah.

01:43:14.831 --> 01:43:14.832
Yeah.

01:43:15.190 --> 01:43:18.131
My daughter has three grand grandsons.

01:43:18.131 --> 01:43:23.890
One's a bonus, and he, so he was okay, uh, five when they were born, and he's amazing.

01:43:23.890 --> 01:43:29.671
He's a freshman in high school and then a 5-year-old and a 3-year-old, and they're just.

01:43:30.190 --> 01:43:31.411
So much fun.

01:43:31.470 --> 01:43:35.911
Five and three quarters and three and three quarters as, you know, at that age.

01:43:36.371 --> 01:43:36.720
Right.

01:43:36.730 --> 01:43:36.970
Very important.

01:43:36.971 --> 01:43:39.140
And they're just, yeah, so much fun.

01:43:39.211 --> 01:43:42.570
And it's just like a whole different ball game of fun.

01:43:42.831 --> 01:43:43.060
Right.

01:43:43.060 --> 01:43:43.761
When you have grandkids.

01:43:43.761 --> 01:43:44.121
Totally.

01:43:44.240 --> 01:43:44.711
Totally.

01:43:44.860 --> 01:43:45.390
Yeah.

01:43:45.461 --> 01:43:46.161
It's great fun.

01:43:46.180 --> 01:43:46.980
So, yeah.

01:43:46.980 --> 01:43:57.305
Let's, uh, you, you referenced It's kind of from adjacent, the crazy world we live in from a political and anxiety spectrum.

01:43:57.305 --> 01:43:58.626
You want to go there next?

01:43:58.746 --> 01:43:59.105
Is that?

01:43:59.345 --> 01:43:59.855
Sure.

01:43:59.865 --> 01:44:00.355
Of interest?

01:44:00.355 --> 01:44:00.895
Yeah.

01:44:01.076 --> 01:44:03.845
I mean, to me, quite honestly, I.

01:44:04.211 --> 01:44:07.131
I'm not, I always think that's funny when people say that, right?

01:44:07.140 --> 01:44:15.530
Like I haven't been honest with you this whole time, but now I'm going to say quite honestly, I have been honest with you the whole time to be, to be really clear.

01:44:16.041 --> 01:44:48.706
Um, you know, like to me, if each of us can live in a way that we're aligned with, I know I, we've talked a little bit about your politics, but I feel like If each of us live in a way that we feel aligned with, that we feel good about, like, that's a, I feel like politics and religion are, are kind of those things that are so individual that, that how can, how can we categorize like this or this?

01:44:48.765 --> 01:44:53.025
Like, it's not or, it's and, it's pieces, it's parts.

01:44:53.326 --> 01:44:54.065
I like this.

01:44:54.065 --> 01:44:55.105
I feel aligned with.

01:44:56.610 --> 01:44:57.661
Being a pedophile?

01:44:58.411 --> 01:44:59.610
No, that's not okay.

01:44:59.610 --> 01:45:00.180
That's right.

01:45:00.180 --> 01:45:01.171
That's not okay.

01:45:01.171 --> 01:45:02.161
That's not legal.

01:45:02.161 --> 01:45:12.921
Well, but, but I'm saying that there's a lot of things about our lifestyle choices like, um, that aren't necessarily for own good.

01:45:13.070 --> 01:45:13.400
Right.

01:45:13.791 --> 01:45:19.190
Um, or not, you know, what the world wants, what the world needs, what you're good at and what, right.

01:45:19.190 --> 01:45:21.591
If you can have that kind of a perspective, I think.

01:45:21.905 --> 01:45:22.815
That would be okay.

01:45:22.876 --> 01:45:23.536
And I do.

01:45:23.666 --> 01:45:23.855
Yeah.

01:45:23.855 --> 01:45:31.515
Unfortunately, I feel like too many people have a very either self absorbed or others harming perspective.

01:45:31.565 --> 01:45:31.876
Yeah.

01:45:31.905 --> 01:45:32.466
Potentially.

01:45:32.466 --> 01:45:34.025
Or at least inconsiderate of others.

01:45:34.055 --> 01:45:34.355
Good.

01:45:34.496 --> 01:45:34.916
Yeah.

01:45:35.036 --> 01:45:35.605
Um.

01:45:35.996 --> 01:45:36.565
So, okay.

01:45:36.565 --> 01:45:38.645
So I want to, I want to let you unfold that more.

01:45:38.685 --> 01:45:39.065
Yeah.

01:45:39.065 --> 01:45:44.296
And, and to me, that's just, that's not aligned with our human potential.

01:45:44.456 --> 01:45:46.355
It's not aligned with who we're meant to be.

01:45:46.355 --> 01:45:49.115
It's not aligned with why we're on the planet.

01:45:49.185 --> 01:45:49.435
Yeah.

01:45:49.435 --> 01:45:49.725
Yeah.

01:45:49.725 --> 01:45:49.746
Yeah.

01:45:49.756 --> 01:45:58.275
You know, it's, it's all, it's the, It's the reality of love and fear, and fear is a lack of love.

01:45:58.666 --> 01:46:03.076
And, and, you know, it's Is it?

01:46:03.426 --> 01:46:03.805
Yeah.

01:46:03.895 --> 01:46:06.716
I don't, I don't know that I believe that fear is a lack of love.

01:46:06.716 --> 01:46:09.916
I feel like fear is something different than that.

01:46:11.176 --> 01:46:18.015
So there are traditions that will enforce that, that love, that love is all there is.

01:46:18.706 --> 01:46:23.525
And that everything's not love is, uh, or anything that's not love.

01:46:23.591 --> 01:46:24.212
Isn't real.

01:46:24.212 --> 01:46:25.451
So fear isn't real?

01:46:25.451 --> 01:46:30.381
And we, we, it's a, it's a construct.

01:46:30.381 --> 01:46:30.470
Interesting.

01:46:30.471 --> 01:46:41.371
Now I will also share with you what I know from science is that the only things, the only two things that we are born with a fear of, do you know what they are?

01:46:41.921 --> 01:46:42.690
Snakes?

01:46:43.690 --> 01:46:44.730
Spiders and snakes?

01:46:44.730 --> 01:46:44.890
No.

01:46:44.951 --> 01:46:45.251
Is it?

01:46:45.581 --> 01:46:45.970
No, no, no.

01:46:45.970 --> 01:46:46.850
And being alone?

01:46:47.041 --> 01:46:47.440
Nope.

01:46:47.770 --> 01:46:48.270
I don't know.

01:46:48.831 --> 01:46:50.001
Uh, loud noises.

01:46:50.072 --> 01:46:50.520
Yeah.

01:46:50.600 --> 01:46:51.751
And high places.

01:46:52.081 --> 01:46:52.270
Heights.

01:46:52.271 --> 01:46:52.761
Hmm.

01:46:52.761 --> 01:46:53.211
Interesting.

01:46:53.240 --> 01:46:55.831
Those are the only two things that we're born with a fear of.

01:46:55.832 --> 01:46:57.150
Hmm.

01:46:57.331 --> 01:47:05.621
And yet, like, I can walk on the edge, and I've always been able to walk on the edge of a high place or climb a tree as high as I wanted without having any fear of that.

01:47:05.701 --> 01:47:06.171
Mm hmm.

01:47:06.400 --> 01:47:11.150
I've been fucking terrified of snakes, or spiders, but snakes especially.

01:47:11.152 --> 01:47:11.291
Yeah.

01:47:11.291 --> 01:47:11.610
Yeah.

01:47:13.136 --> 01:47:24.078
Yeah, but it's, it's something that you've learned and, and you've, and there's probably a way that you learned not to be afraid of fear because that, that, those are two fears that we're absolutely born with.

01:47:24.078 --> 01:47:28.746
I think that's one of the markers of my life is I haven't become afraid of fear as much as many people have.

01:47:29.145 --> 01:47:31.355
So I want to bring it back to, to politics a little bit.

01:47:31.356 --> 01:47:32.051
Okay.

01:47:33.251 --> 01:47:34.461
Not to say you dodged the question.

01:47:34.470 --> 01:47:34.881
I did.

01:47:34.921 --> 01:47:35.451
I did.

01:47:36.270 --> 01:47:41.730
Um, like we can just go straight to predictions.

01:47:41.831 --> 01:47:44.020
We're, we're tomorrow night is the debate.

01:47:44.711 --> 01:47:53.110
The one that is that, is it okay for, for the presidency of the United States to have only one debate where.

01:47:53.336 --> 01:47:58.265
Americans get to, kind of, evaluate the candidates?

01:47:58.475 --> 01:48:00.275
I'm, I'm, I'm engrossed out by that, frankly.

01:48:00.275 --> 01:48:04.475
It really irritates me, and I'm not bla laying any blame because, Yeah.

01:48:04.506 --> 01:48:10.685
Like, there was a time just like two weeks ago where Kamala was like, anytime, anywhere, we'll bring it! You know, whatever.

01:48:10.685 --> 01:48:15.046
And so I have no idea what the politics of this whole thing is, but The politics of the politics center?

01:48:15.046 --> 01:48:20.161
Like, why can't we Frickin see these candidates, like, talk to each other.

01:48:20.690 --> 01:48:21.131
And, yeah.

01:48:21.220 --> 01:48:25.711
And, and do they really, excuse me, do they really even talk to each other during a debate?

01:48:26.600 --> 01:48:28.621
Right, no, it's all sound clips and stuff.

01:48:28.661 --> 01:48:30.770
I mean, it feels like we're just watching a big theater.

01:48:30.930 --> 01:48:31.240
Yeah.

01:48:31.440 --> 01:48:41.421
Honestly, with, in my opinion, kind of a, what, the deep state apparatus, like, choosing which wing of the bird flaps at what time, kinda, I don't know.

01:48:41.640 --> 01:48:58.541
You know, it's interesting to me because historically, I like to, I like to read a lot, you know, Thomas Jefferson, you know, Hamilton, you know, the founding fathers, the founders, the mothers, you know, and the stories behind what happened historically in our country.

01:48:59.060 --> 01:49:02.690
And I think that it's, it's just, it's at a different level.

01:49:02.990 --> 01:49:10.060
We're in a different place now, with 340 million people in this country, it's a whole different kind of experience than what they could have imagined.

01:49:10.400 --> 01:49:17.171
Yeah, and, and the, the debates back and forth, back in the day, you know, it was, it was a different time.

01:49:17.320 --> 01:49:22.701
You know, to your point of sound bites and sound clips and, you know, we're bombarded with it.

01:49:22.761 --> 01:49:27.860
And, and so having a debate, like, does it matter if there's a debate or not?

01:49:27.921 --> 01:49:34.810
Let's talk about, is there like a way to get To a more unified America, like, because this grosses me out the way we have it right now.

01:49:34.820 --> 01:49:36.350
I think it's intentional.

01:49:36.440 --> 01:49:38.640
I think there has to be a way.

01:49:38.640 --> 01:49:41.560
I think when I believe.

01:49:42.001 --> 01:49:42.650
Let me say it this way.

01:49:42.652 --> 01:49:42.951
Yeah, yeah.

01:49:42.990 --> 01:49:51.360
I believe that our commonality unifies us more than our differences divide us.

01:49:51.600 --> 01:49:52.770
I really, really do.

01:49:52.780 --> 01:49:53.701
I think that's the way we're designed.

01:49:53.770 --> 01:49:58.150
And I think our current politics is designed to separate that from truth.

01:49:58.240 --> 01:50:01.661
And I, and I don't think that that's healthy and I don't think that that's good.

01:50:01.661 --> 01:50:12.850
And I think that something has to change because yes, if we, if we look at humanity, the way that we're designed to live in community, you know, that's it.

01:50:12.890 --> 01:50:21.030
And, and let's like give and take, you know, you look at any research, you look at any truth about who we are as human beings.

01:50:22.190 --> 01:50:23.560
Like, let's look at that.

01:50:24.270 --> 01:50:36.720
Is there, um, rather than taking an issue, is there a person in the political sphere of the world that you, uh, would hold up as someone that you respect quite a bit or even historical person?

01:50:36.890 --> 01:50:40.301
Yeah, historically, who would I say that would be?

01:50:41.610 --> 01:50:43.121
Of course, I love the Vikings.

01:50:43.911 --> 01:50:44.381
Oh, right.

01:50:44.381 --> 01:50:47.451
But, but they're not, and, and they're not really any great example.

01:50:47.470 --> 01:50:52.461
Yeah, their politics was, uh, do you want to die or do you want to be, like, subject to this?

01:50:53.081 --> 01:50:53.480
Yeah.

01:50:53.711 --> 01:50:59.301
Um, you know, that's a great question that I haven't really thought about.

01:50:59.360 --> 01:51:00.180
I probably could.

01:51:00.180 --> 01:51:02.171
Well, and you're such a I probably could type in my answer.

01:51:02.371 --> 01:51:03.850
Like, I could share with you later.

01:51:03.850 --> 01:51:05.730
So, who would you like our next woman president to be?

01:51:06.110 --> 01:51:08.900
I would like our next woman president to be the next president.

01:51:10.381 --> 01:51:11.371
So just as it is.

01:51:11.841 --> 01:51:24.051
So like, for me, I would rather have like a Tulsi Gabbard or Somebody I've seen to buck the system because I feel like the system is the problem than the current candidate, um, for our presidency.

01:51:24.140 --> 01:51:28.511
I feel like she's kind of more of a product of the system than somebody that could ever buck the system.

01:51:29.176 --> 01:51:38.365
Um, you know, and I would love to know who could, who could buck the system and make the system work for us.

01:51:38.485 --> 01:51:41.365
It'll probably be a man that bucks the system, honestly.

01:51:41.386 --> 01:51:47.645
And then like, I definitely, I want to see a woman president of the United States and I want it to be somebody I can respect.

01:51:47.655 --> 01:51:52.685
And if I had a daughter, somebody that can say, live life close to like this person did it.

01:51:52.765 --> 01:51:53.065
Yeah.

01:51:53.126 --> 01:51:56.216
That was where, when Hillary was the candidate, I was like, this is grosses me out.

01:51:56.216 --> 01:51:57.725
If this is our first woman president, I just.

01:51:58.320 --> 01:51:58.871
Don't like it.

01:51:59.461 --> 01:52:00.831
And I'm, maybe you're a big fan.

01:52:00.831 --> 01:52:01.190
I don't know.

01:52:01.280 --> 01:52:02.301
We can disagree about that.

01:52:02.301 --> 01:52:08.751
But like, I really feel like that we can have an, it's like, I would rather vote for you and have you be our first woman vote for you.

01:52:08.752 --> 01:52:09.780
I, you know.

01:52:09.780 --> 01:52:12.551
I, I could identify as a woman and be our first woman president.

01:52:12.900 --> 01:52:14.810
How do you feel about that in the politics realm?

01:52:14.850 --> 01:52:15.091
Like.

01:52:15.091 --> 01:52:24.091
So I will, I will say, so my son and my daughter and I, we have had these conversations about like, we probably, each of us, and Kurt, probably you and I.

01:52:24.251 --> 01:52:24.671
No.

01:52:24.900 --> 01:52:25.070
Yeah.

01:52:25.131 --> 01:52:28.740
Ten people who would be better presidents than the current candidates.

01:52:29.091 --> 01:52:29.930
Oh, for sure.

01:52:29.930 --> 01:52:31.860
I, I know a thousand people.

01:52:32.091 --> 01:52:33.511
Yes! At least.

01:52:33.511 --> 01:52:35.390
So, how many episodes have you done, right?

01:52:35.400 --> 01:52:36.400
Like Right, right.

01:52:36.701 --> 01:52:42.530
But, but it's Well, so what's We don't I'm gonna jump because we're It's over After five already.

01:52:42.640 --> 01:52:43.020
Okay.

01:52:43.041 --> 01:52:43.791
We're running late.

01:52:43.900 --> 01:52:45.360
Because that clock is The batteries started dying last week.

01:52:45.360 --> 01:52:45.961
It's 20 minutes up.

01:52:45.961 --> 01:52:57.541
And, and I don't know the solution because, because there's somebody who's More has more political savvy than me right who does have the solution, but I think somebody that's gonna bring us together Right.

01:52:57.661 --> 01:53:00.900
Well, that's um, because we are we're meant to be that way.

01:53:00.970 --> 01:53:03.461
Yeah, I do not disagree with that at all.

01:53:03.631 --> 01:53:26.711
Yeah Faith we've talked a little bit about Tai Chi about Spain about Norway But I don't know that we have talked much faith in our yeah, so, you know the the idea of You Love is stronger than fear is really is the heart of it is the heart of it Yeah.

01:53:28.091 --> 01:53:30.371
And I, I try not a particular philosophy.

01:53:30.371 --> 01:53:33.881
You or do you have a No, I've, um, what do they call that?

01:53:34.150 --> 01:53:35.381
Uh, when you mixed all the difference?

01:53:35.411 --> 01:53:36.791
Oh, it was called a suicide.

01:53:37.121 --> 01:53:39.850
That's probably not an appropriate name for a face remember?

01:53:39.911 --> 01:53:40.600
Were you there?

01:53:41.501 --> 01:53:51.780
No, like when I was a kid, if you had like a, if you went to a baseball game and you had like a fountain drink mixer and you could like mix the Mountain Dew with the orange and the Coca-Cola and the root beer, and that was a suicide.

01:53:52.110 --> 01:53:52.320
Okay.

01:53:52.621 --> 01:53:53.581
Um, but like.

01:53:54.576 --> 01:54:27.511
Like, I'm a Christian, and I've learned a lot from some of my study of yoga, from individual study, and some of the even deeper Judaism practices, and Zen Buddhism, certainly, uh, and even Like, I've got some good friends that are Hindu, and I've been kind of a little bit dabbling, and so like, while I'm a Christian, I can appreciate and respect the other influences in the faith conversation in the world.

01:54:28.011 --> 01:54:33.551
And so that's when I say, uh, a suicide a little bit, because I assume you've got maybe a little bit of some sampling.

01:54:33.551 --> 01:54:33.951
I don't know.

01:54:34.600 --> 01:54:36.301
Do you have a faith community right now in your world?

01:54:36.320 --> 01:54:48.511
I don't have a faith community because, excuse me, both the coughing team here, um, I really That at the core of every religion.

01:54:49.365 --> 01:54:50.216
It's the same.

01:54:51.126 --> 01:54:52.716
I really, really do.

01:54:52.765 --> 01:55:02.676
And so for me to prescribe to one that is, that excludes others doesn't resonate with me.

01:55:02.695 --> 01:55:14.046
And, and like I said, with politics, I think that politics and religion are, and maybe religion more so than politics, are so personal.

01:55:14.076 --> 01:55:21.246
Like every religion is as individual as a person is.

01:55:23.121 --> 01:55:31.110
You know, I, I hear that and I would respectfully say that kind of the purpose of religion is to be above that fray.

01:55:31.990 --> 01:55:48.661
Um, and the, the, the reason I say that is because, like in some ways I think that you, Utility, the practical utility, say, say, let's say Yahweh, Jesus, Muhammad, all that stuff is baloney, Garnash, or whatever, you know.

01:55:49.310 --> 01:55:58.720
Um, but I think that the purpose of religion in a lot of respects is to be a unifying kind of thing that everybody kind of points to in that.

01:55:58.930 --> 01:55:59.110
Yes.

01:55:59.121 --> 01:56:03.320
Nation state or that civilization or that thing or whatever, right?

01:56:03.461 --> 01:56:04.690
And I don't disagree with that.

01:56:04.690 --> 01:56:17.081
Part of what we're struggling with as, as Americans is it used to be very much a Christian oriented country, nation state, and now it's 40 percent that, right?

01:56:17.081 --> 01:56:22.421
Like it's been, and the rest of it is pointed at seven different things all their own.

01:56:22.421 --> 01:56:28.850
And, and, and 20 percent is pointing at nothing like, and so, so to me that's the big thing that's been lost in.

01:56:29.560 --> 01:56:41.350
Um, I guess the, since God has died, is even if God, even if the Christian God isn't right, it's better to be unified in pointing at something than in pointing at a lot of different things.

01:56:41.350 --> 01:56:42.001
But I don't know.

01:56:42.001 --> 01:56:43.100
I'm up for conversation on it.

01:56:43.190 --> 01:56:43.631
Yeah.

01:56:43.631 --> 01:56:43.961
No.

01:56:43.961 --> 01:56:46.220
And I appreciate that you're open to the conversation.

01:56:46.310 --> 01:56:48.511
I don't think that the answer is nothing.

01:56:49.751 --> 01:56:51.490
I think that the answer is love.

01:56:52.091 --> 01:57:03.051
God, Yahweh, Allah, Ganesh, whatever, that I've not included, you know, Muhammad, all of them, all of them.

01:57:03.320 --> 01:57:04.240
Except Muhammad, he's out.

01:57:04.310 --> 01:57:05.551
In the, no.

01:57:05.921 --> 01:57:06.320
I'm just playing.

01:57:06.341 --> 01:57:10.291
You know, in the, like, it, like, point towards love.

01:57:10.451 --> 01:57:10.961
Yeah, no, that's fair.

01:57:10.961 --> 01:57:11.845
Point towards love.

01:57:12.386 --> 01:57:18.286
And if your faith isn't pointing you toward love, then you should perhaps, uh, research a little more.

01:57:19.666 --> 01:57:23.405
So, I think it's a valid question, I think.

01:57:23.416 --> 01:57:31.256
It's a valid question, but should, like, I don't want a should on anyone, you know, like, I think in our, in our own heart.

01:57:31.256 --> 01:57:32.185
Perhaps you could.

01:57:32.426 --> 01:57:33.155
I could.

01:57:33.315 --> 01:57:33.886
I could.

01:57:33.945 --> 01:57:34.456
Yeah.

01:57:34.525 --> 01:57:37.865
However, who am I?

01:57:38.405 --> 01:57:44.935
Yeah, well, I think that's part of my own faith is, like, I, I certainly face plenty of doubts.

01:57:44.935 --> 01:57:53.496
And I've described my faith in the same way is that I think all of the kind of global faith and even the Baha'i or this and that, right?

01:57:53.496 --> 01:57:53.716
Yeah.

01:57:55.011 --> 01:57:56.791
They're viewing the same phenomena.

01:57:56.890 --> 01:57:57.360
Yes.

01:57:57.541 --> 01:58:04.900
Uh, there's, you know, there's a, there's a uniting force in the universe of some sort that probably set the whole thing off to a spin.

01:58:05.530 --> 01:58:08.831
We all have some sort of connection to it and even influence upon it.

01:58:08.951 --> 01:58:09.240
Yes.

01:58:09.251 --> 01:58:12.051
Through our prayers and communication with it.

01:58:12.131 --> 01:58:12.480
Yes.

01:58:13.970 --> 01:58:26.411
Um, from my study and my experience, I think our least dirty lens on what that actual interaction type is for me, at least, is Christianity.

01:58:26.900 --> 01:58:32.030
I feel like I have the most data and I align most closely with that theory.

01:58:32.150 --> 01:58:32.501
Yeah.

01:58:32.930 --> 01:58:35.270
And it's called faith because we can't really know.

01:58:35.440 --> 01:58:35.860
Yeah.

01:58:35.961 --> 01:58:36.541
That's right.

01:58:36.701 --> 01:58:37.280
That's right.

01:58:37.280 --> 01:58:37.701
We can't.

01:58:38.190 --> 01:58:46.951
And, and that's, that's the thing that I would say that I believe that love is the strongest as you define force in.

01:58:49.115 --> 01:58:50.496
But you can love somebody to death.

01:58:51.865 --> 01:58:54.185
Well, that's a figment, that's a figment of imagination.

01:58:54.286 --> 01:58:54.944
That's a figure of speech.

01:58:54.944 --> 01:58:55.735
Well, you kind of can.

01:58:55.786 --> 01:58:58.076
Like, I'm sure you're familiar with, like, some of C.

01:58:58.076 --> 01:58:58.235
S.

01:58:58.235 --> 01:59:00.905
Lewis writing about the nanny state and things like that.

01:59:01.145 --> 01:59:01.595
Yeah.

01:59:01.655 --> 01:59:04.536
Uh, you know, you can, like, suffocate.

01:59:05.100 --> 01:59:06.871
A population, be keeping them safe.

01:59:06.871 --> 01:59:11.820
Ben Franklin said the same thing, but that, but that's not, that's not love in its truest form.

01:59:12.140 --> 01:59:12.560
True.

01:59:12.650 --> 01:59:15.201
And that's, that would, that would be, that would be self-serving.

01:59:15.320 --> 01:59:15.801
That's fair.

01:59:15.921 --> 01:59:16.430
That's fair.

01:59:16.430 --> 01:59:20.180
That's perhaps like with my memberships, we don't have any contracts.

01:59:20.180 --> 01:59:24.501
We, I, I say we hope, you think you'll be a member for a year when you join?

01:59:24.501 --> 01:59:25.070
I believe.

01:59:25.131 --> 01:59:26.421
Why don't you change it To believe.

01:59:26.421 --> 01:59:27.381
We hope people, I hope people believe.

01:59:27.386 --> 01:59:27.650
Believe, yeah.

01:59:28.291 --> 01:59:52.390
Yep, that's perfect, actually, um, and, you know, depart because, you know, if you, if you love somebody, you don't squeeze them, you don't grab them, you hold them, and then there's some free will involved in that love exchange, and that's why love works, whether it's in a romantic relationship or a friendship, is it's a free will offering back and forth, not one squeezing the other.

01:59:52.650 --> 01:59:54.230
Right, and what do you want?

01:59:54.801 --> 01:59:58.171
Yeah, do we both continue to win in this relationship?

02:00:00.190 --> 02:00:02.280
Um, your loco experience.

02:00:02.966 --> 02:00:07.506
the craziest experience that you're willing to share from your whole lifetime to our listeners.

02:00:07.506 --> 02:00:09.315
In my whole lifetime?

02:00:09.326 --> 02:00:14.935
Yeah, some crazy ass experience that you've never told anybody before, including Mark, if you got one of those.

02:00:15.386 --> 02:00:19.485
Um, near death, uh, you know, a week in the life.

02:00:19.695 --> 02:00:21.126
Maybe it's your sabbatical.

02:00:21.155 --> 02:00:23.645
I don't know what your loco, what your crazy experience is.

02:00:23.735 --> 02:00:25.515
My crazy experience.

02:00:25.786 --> 02:00:27.368
Loco is kind of, you know, it's like Mexican slang.

02:00:27.368 --> 02:00:27.905
Yeah, loco.

02:00:27.935 --> 02:00:28.720
Yeah, I know.

02:00:28.720 --> 02:00:29.782
I get that.

02:00:29.782 --> 02:00:30.876
No, it's a real word.

02:00:31.115 --> 02:00:32.546
My craziest experience.

02:00:32.756 --> 02:00:33.115
Yeah, yeah.

02:00:33.286 --> 02:00:40.746
Well, when I was in college, I did I did go to Tijuana and drink margaritas out of a paper cup, but that's not the craziest experience yet.

02:00:40.746 --> 02:00:42.015
If that was the end of it, no.

02:00:42.015 --> 02:00:43.046
Did you go to jail?

02:00:43.115 --> 02:00:44.086
No, I didn't, no.

02:00:44.087 --> 02:00:47.115
Or find yourself in a cabana with 17 guys and 3 other ladies?

02:00:47.845 --> 02:00:48.725
No, there was Nothing like that?

02:00:48.786 --> 02:00:49.166
Alright.

02:00:49.305 --> 02:00:50.185
No, none of that.

02:00:50.626 --> 02:00:57.405
Um, oh my craziest, my most loco experience, hmmm.

02:00:58.536 --> 02:01:10.815
That might be, like, just the one that I can think of off the top of my head is my freshman year in college when I thought it would be a good idea to go out on Halloween.

02:01:10.836 --> 02:01:15.006
Now, mind you, this is the middle of, well, central Illinois.

02:01:15.025 --> 02:01:17.305
Central Illinois, cold, right?

02:01:17.305 --> 02:01:21.275
Like we often wore our winter coats when we went trick or treating.

02:01:23.365 --> 02:01:23.845
Uh, yeah.

02:01:23.865 --> 02:01:29.945
Three of my girlfriends and I decided to go as the Go Go's wrapped in towels with towels on our head.

02:01:29.956 --> 02:01:32.296
That was like when the Go Go's were, you know, a thing.

02:01:32.305 --> 02:01:32.435
Yeah.

02:01:32.615 --> 02:01:37.065
So we thought that would, yeah, not super crazy.

02:01:37.086 --> 02:01:38.515
More frostbite than fun.

02:01:38.525 --> 02:01:38.765
Yeah.

02:01:38.845 --> 02:01:40.386
More frostbite than fun.

02:01:40.416 --> 02:01:45.195
And, and lots of tequila and beer and, you know, shenanigans.

02:01:45.195 --> 02:01:45.576
All night.

02:01:45.631 --> 02:01:48.730
Maybe, maybe, maybe we did.

02:01:51.400 --> 02:01:52.461
He's heard this story.

02:01:52.610 --> 02:02:02.650
Yeah, no, that, that was a pretty, that was a pretty, you know, young and young and young and crazy house where you've been taking pictures before that.

02:02:02.650 --> 02:02:05.501
That was a fun and local experience.

02:02:05.501 --> 02:02:05.720
Yeah.

02:02:05.740 --> 02:02:14.841
Um, if somebody's listening and just wants to snoop you out, or even if they want to do a career encore, you want to tell them where to look for you?

02:02:14.911 --> 02:02:15.560
julialstrip.

02:02:15.740 --> 02:02:16.041
com.

02:02:16.996 --> 02:02:17.336
Easy.

02:02:17.496 --> 02:02:17.676
Yeah.

02:02:17.706 --> 02:02:19.136
I also have a YouTube channel.

02:02:19.256 --> 02:02:19.615
Okay.

02:02:19.617 --> 02:02:21.786
Oh, and how was the TEDx, by the way?

02:02:21.786 --> 02:02:23.685
Was that worth all the effort and stuff like that?

02:02:23.706 --> 02:02:28.819
Did that kind of help to give you that larger regional, broader following that could support this venture?

02:02:28.819 --> 02:02:30.095
You know, it was interesting.

02:02:30.105 --> 02:02:35.286
It's, it's really, it's, it's an interesting, um, experience.

02:02:35.305 --> 02:02:36.695
It was a great experience.

02:02:36.725 --> 02:02:37.666
I had a great experience.

02:02:37.666 --> 02:02:40.756
I had, my TED talk was during the pandemic.

02:02:42.685 --> 02:02:44.416
Nobody was in the audience.

02:02:44.485 --> 02:02:46.126
Nobody was in the audience.

02:02:46.355 --> 02:02:47.756
trying to pretend there is people there.

02:02:47.826 --> 02:02:55.756
And, and the people who put it on, it was Cherry Creek women, TEDx Cherry Creek women, and they are remarkable, remarkable.

02:02:56.155 --> 02:03:04.855
Um, so I had a great experience through the whole thing, and then it was up to me to, to get it out and to show people, and, and a lot of people have seen it.

02:03:05.315 --> 02:03:20.235
And, um, I, I would highly recommend it because it, it, it, It gives you that, um, you know, it, it really helped to dig deep into the, like, what is the message that I want?

02:03:20.235 --> 02:03:22.655
What's my message that I want to share with the world?

02:03:22.996 --> 02:03:23.905
Well, what's my what?

02:03:24.065 --> 02:03:30.265
I've got a dear friend, uh, Karen, uh, that I hired years ago in the coaching capacity.

02:03:30.265 --> 02:03:34.805
And I've had other friends that were, you know, as local think tank became a thing, sure.

02:03:34.966 --> 02:03:35.256
Yeah.

02:03:35.376 --> 02:03:37.555
They were like, you should develop a stage talk.

02:03:37.555 --> 02:03:38.515
You should be on TEDx.

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You should be, you know, kind of become a.

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Guru or whatever, or you should write a book.

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And I've kind of resisted all those things because I've never really felt like I had that much special to share with the world.

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Well, I think I would gain a lot actually doing some introspection and investigating what that might be.

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And I think I'm doing my research by having all these kind of podcast conversations, you know, that's, I'm a lot more comfortable making you the star of this show than I am.

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I'm thinking about what that is, but maybe I'm just working on my research projects.

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I think that, so there's a quote from Marianne Williamson that says, um, you know, we're, we're, and I'm not, I'm going to paraphrase, but we're more afraid when it's not our darkness that frightens us, it's our light.

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And we're more afraid of that.

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And so I would guess.

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Kurt, that you have a lot of light to share.

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I'm not going to guess it.

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I know that you do and You might just need a little dose of not liquid but courage to say, you know Yeah, I have this big idea And the world needs it.

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Well, I think that's very sweet.

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I think it's very true.

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I think we all have it.

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You're probably right.

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And I think you absolutely have it.

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I hope, uh, I hope all the people in Interspoon full of what you got to share are able to find you.

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Yeah, thank you.

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Thanks so much for having me.

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I hope you've had fun.

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What do you think?

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On a scale of one to 10?

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Super fun.

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10.

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I mean, it's not that go go's in my towel, but I'm not, I'm not doing that again.

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We're not racing around Nuremberg in a Porsche 911 turbo or nothing like that.

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But it's more fun than you thought.

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Great fun.

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I knew it would be fun because you're a great guy.

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Well, thank you for being here, Julia.

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I really appreciate you.

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Thank you.

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Godspeed.