EXPERIENCE 185 | Big Boats, Small Business, and High Finance with Tom Trimmer, Co-Founder of Custom Marine Products and Principal of Trimmer Capital Management

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Tom Tremmer, Jr.

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spent his growing up years in the northern suburbs of Detroit, Michigan, and was disappointed when his father got rid of the family power boat about the time he was old enough to start skiing and bought a sailboat instead.

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The sailboat sparked a love of sailing, however, that carries through to today and spurred Tom's first significant entrepreneurial venture, Bachelorette Party Boat Tours, departing the Chicago Yacht Club.

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And love of sailing led to his current business, Custom Marine Products, when he built a website to offer his father's solar panel on a pole invention to the marketplace.

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Allowing Livon boaters to maximize their solar collection by adjusting the angle of the panel to be always perpendicular to the sun.

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Custom Marine Products has been growing at a 40 percent plus growth rate for most of its 10 year history since then, and is beginning to broaden their product offerings beyond high ish end marine solar systems, controllers, and lithium battery systems.

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They are increasingly developing their camper van market offerings, and introducing refrigeration systems and more in the seasons ahead.

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It's an interesting business with three to six month lead times for most of their products and very slow inventory turns.

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In Tom's previous chapters, and still today to a lesser extent, Tom has been a finance entrepreneur, sourcing capital for day traders, identifying arbitrage opportunities in foreign exchange markets and other brainy stuff.

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And he's also active as an angel investor.

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Tom's a brilliant guy, a world explorer, and a very entertaining guest.

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So please enjoy, as I did, my conversation with Tom Tremmer.

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welcome back to the Lowco Experience Podcast.

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My guest today is Tom Trimmer and Tom is the co founder and president of Custom Marine Products.

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Also a, Long time local think tank member.

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Mm hmm.

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Yeah.

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Indeed.

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Welcome to the show.

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Thanks for having me, Kurt.

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So, uh, what can I get for my custom marine products?

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Not custom marine products.

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Oh yeah, we sell solar panels.

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Okay.

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Um, all different types to our, we started out as a, as a, to yachts and large boats, liveaboards.

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Okay.

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Um, now we do vans, like the high end, uh, Sprinter vans, Ram vans, the camper.

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Is it just solar?

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Camper folks.

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Yeah.

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We do solar, and then we expand it into, uh, batteries.

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We do a bunch of lithium batteries, and then we do, yeah, and then your entire solar system too, right?

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So it would just be your, your solar panels, the mounting system, the wire, the connectors, then the wire down to the solar controller, then Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Then to the battery.

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Solar setups with battery packs and lithium sets and all these.

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I mean, I know because I've been like shopping and getting stuff for my Ambulance Camper RV mobile podcast studio.

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Right on with our, with our panel.

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We've got four of your 200 ish watt?

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Yeah.

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170s.

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Okay.

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170s.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Um, one question I have is, Why just it's it says custom marine products like it seems like I could get Cupholders or like why aren't you custom solar marine products?

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Yeah Custom solar products.

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Yeah, that's a great call.

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We should be Just add more stuff.

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Yeah, I like that stuff.

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I like that too.

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Yeah, we're looking at yeah We're starting to add refrigeration as our next our next move.

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Okay, cool Yeah, and then we added the batteries.

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But the, the reason it's like that is we, we didn't know what we were doing when we started.

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So I had, my dad was retired and he loves his boat and he does all sorts of, uh, So I'm like, pop, we got to sell some of this or we might as well, so I built a website like an easy, uh, easily like a WYSIWYG or, um, website.

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So we put up dinghy seat bags.

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Uh, he built a, a swim platform off the back, LED light bars.

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And then he had a pole with a solar panel on it that you can adjust.

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So we put everything up.

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Um, And the solar sold, and the solar pole sold.

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Yeah.

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Um, and that's, we've since, I think we've sold.

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You were like, all this other crap doesn't really sell.

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Yeah, so.

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People are looking for solar systems.

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Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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So, we, uh, yeah, so we just had the solar, the pole and the solar panel, and then we added more panels, bigger panels, and.

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People wanted Bimini mounted panels, then they wanted walkable panels on their deck, then they wanted panels on their arch, on their solar, or their dinghy davits, or their arch across the back.

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So we did more glass solar panels.

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And then they wanted everything.

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Then they want the wire and the mounting kits.

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Yeah, then we expanded, so we have a real high end lithium battery that we sell to, um, That's like, how do you sort of Marine specific and how do you get this stuff?

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Like how, what's your competitive edge?

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And maybe you can't, obviously Yeah, I wouldn't share your supplier necessarily, but like how, yeah.

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So what's, yeah, so what's special about us is we, yeah, we do.

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Um, so yeah, why wouldn't you just buy any solar panel?

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You can buy a solar panel for, I don't know, a fifth or a eighth of the cost of ours.

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Right?

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Oh, is that right?

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Yeah.

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For a, a similar, but it'll be bigger.

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So ours are.

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shade tolerant, right?

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So we have diodes and we've wired the panel.

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So our factory has wired the panel or we've designed them in the factory, builds them so that if half the panel shaded or a quarter of the panel shaded, the rest of the panel continues to put out power where a cheap, not a cheap, but just like a house solar panel, right?

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If it's a little bit shaded it, the whole thing goes down.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So that's our, and then we have the highest end, um, highest efficiency solar cells.

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So, um, They're 20, 24, ours are 24 to 25 percent efficient where like most of your house solar panels be 18 percent efficient because space is constrained on a boat, right?

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And on a van, so you need the max power per square inch.

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I see.

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So that's, that's what's special about us.

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So some of the reasons or whatever.

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Um, yeah.

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And you've actually designed a lot of these systems yourselves?

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I don't know that we've designed.

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Or with help of others kind of?

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What are your, your customers are looking for this?

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Can you guys make that?

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Yeah.

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Right.

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And no, yep.

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Yep.

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And our, I guess, yeah, you know, that's very true.

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And then our own input as well, or what we think will sell and, and what people ask for.

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Yeah.

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So just over the years we've kind of dialed it in and dialed it in and dialed it in more.

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So.

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And when did you start?

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When did you?

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I think it's 10 years.

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We're going on 10 years.

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Yeah.

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9, something like that.

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And it's become over the last three, five years, you're kind of Yeah.

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That's the main thing you're working on.

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Yeah.

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It wasn't for a while.

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It was a little side hustle.

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Right.

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My dad was mostly doing it.

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Yeah.

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Keeping him busy.

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Yeah.

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And then it got, you know, it's funny.

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It just gets more and more significant.

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Did he kind of pull you in more and more or did you want to go in because it was more interesting than the other stuff you were doing before?

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Yeah.

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I guess sort of a combination of that.

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Yeah.

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It's really, it's more fun than finance.

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Right.

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People are talking about their boat and their, I love boating, so everybody's, and nobody's in, it's never an emergency, I mean, I guess not never, but it's rarely an emergency.

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And they're excited to get it.

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Yeah, they love talking about their boat, their, I love boater, I'm a boater myself, so, um, yeah.

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It's super pleasant.

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But like any business, it has its issues and problems.

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But well, you know, every time you try to go from one stage to the next, uh, troubles will arise and then you get to solve new problems.

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Yup.

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Exactly.

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What, uh, what's the, uh, What's your favorite, like, region to boat in?

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Have you been all over?

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Oh, I mean, I love the, the BVI, or British Virgin Islands is, is fabulous, super gorgeous and super easy.

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I mean, they have the buoys, you just pull up, you don't have to mess around with an anchor.

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Like if you're an independent boater, you just pull up to a dock, virtually?

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Uh, it just, Oh, buoys.

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Oh, I see.

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It's just a buoy out in the middle of the harbor and there's a whole bunch of them and you pull up and they come around and collect money and it's just very, my, one of my, my favorite things to do.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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My uncle in law calls it Disneyland for, for boating.

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So simple.

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Interesting.

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And then your line of sight, you just go from one island to the next, but you can see where the next island you're going to.

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Oh, wow.

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So you really can't get lost unless there's a hurricane or something.

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Yeah.

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It'd have to be a bad hurricane.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Um, other, other top areas?

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Oh, Florida.

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Yeah.

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Florida.

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What do we do?

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The East Coast we've done.

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Uh, for my bachelor party I did, uh, Uh, 10 guys on a catamaran from Fort Lauderdale across to the Bahamas.

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Oh.

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Which was super fun.

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You leave, you have to leave at midnight, um, because there's no light.

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The Bahamas aren't lit, so you need to get there in the daytime, so we showed up at like 10 a.

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m.

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or whatever.

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Oh, okay.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, because there's no, no lit harbors, no buoys, no anything.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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Well, and even the town is not very lit, and there's a whole bunch of islands out there, right?

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Yeah, right.

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Yeah, right.

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Um, So talk to me about your customers.

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Like, how do they, how do they engage?

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Like they contact you and say, Hey, I've got this boat.

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What?

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Fits on there?

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Or is it kind of an automated online process?

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'cause you're pretty much a web store, right?

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Like it, right?

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It's mostly Yeah.

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With, well, not just that because you have sales reps and people calling on harbors and marinas and stuff, right?

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That's right.

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That's right.

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And maybe a third, third ish of our business is, uh, boat manufacturers, people that are making the boats.

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Oh really?

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They put'em right on there.

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Yeah.

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They buy a new As an accessory.

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Yeah.

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You buy a new boat and you get our solar systems on there.

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Oh, cool.

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Um.

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Yeah.

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So those are, those are, but you know, those guys, those guys calling off the website too.

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So we're ranked really well on Google natural search.

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We're like, we're number one, typically for Marine solar panels, boat, solar panels, sailboat, solar panels.

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So, and then we do ads.

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And then we also do this.

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We're all over the first page of Google.

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If you search for Marine solar panels, they'll come up.

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So, so anyway, that's how the manufacturers come to us.

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The Marine has come to us.

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And then the individual boat owners.

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Uh, come to us that way.

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So a typical call would be like one that I had right before I came over here.

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The fellow was, uh, said, uh, I have a 50 foot yacht.

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I'm looking for as much solar as I can fit.

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I have, uh, 112 inches by, uh, 36 inches.

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What can I do?

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I said, okay, I can fit three, 185 Watts in there.

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I'd wire them in series.

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Here's your, I'll send you a quote or an invoice.

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And, uh, I just put the whole system together for him and boom.

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Just bada bing bada boom.

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And you gotta kind of do, is there a software system that you use or just kind of a generalized?

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We're doing QuickBooks and then we're starting to move to uh, doing our invoices in Shopify.

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Oh.

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We've got a new, we put up a new uh, We put up a Shopify site, our, our, Oh, almost so customers can self generate their invoice.

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That's the idea.

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Yeah.

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And it's, we're starting, yeah, it's great.

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I mean, it's starting right.

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So if someone calls in, obviously that takes a lot of time, right?

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It's expensive.

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Um, so we're trying to move more business online.

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So, so the Shopify site is much easier for the people to find what they need.

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Um, and what else was I going to say?

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The, um, Just about the invoice and estimating kind of stuff.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Um, Yeah, so they can just really shop you so they shop and boom You don't have to like have a lot of your brainpower and stuff.

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Yeah, the order just oh, here's what I was gonna say So we are built we we have a tool on we have a couple tools.

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We have a Pretty detailed spreadsheet.

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That's not super easy to use like so someone would call in and say hey, I live on my I live on my boat I I Run refrigeration.

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I have a star link and LED lights and a laptop.

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Yeah.

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Yeah phone.

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How do what do I in an ice maker?

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What do I do?

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and So we run, we either, we can ballpark it, um, just from experience or we can send them to our spreadsheet.

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And then we also have a tool that they can enter everything in and it'll spits out, you need, you know, 700 watts of solar.

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Right.

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Um, And this many watts of battery storage or whatever.

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Right, right, right.

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How do you measure battery storage?

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What's the amp hours?

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Amp hours or watt hours?

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Either way.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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What's a, what's a watt compared to an amp?

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An amp is amps times volts is watts.

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Okay.

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So if you know the amps and the watts, like volts is always one 10 or 12, 12 out of a battery.

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Oh, right, right.

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Or 13 out of a battery.

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Yeah.

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So, oh, right, so, so your battery, if you have a hundred amp power.

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lead acid battery times 12 volts.

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That gives you, what is that?

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200 watt hours.

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Probably mostly 12 volt systems, right?

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The fridges and the, but not the Starlink.

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That's 110.

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Yeah.

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So you need an inverter to get it, bump it up to 110.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Like in your podcast.

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Do you guys let go or do you guys sell inverters and stuff like that too?

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We have the whole.

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Okay.

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So you can kind of go front to back, top to bottom on that.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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Why not do a custom van products as a different like sister company?

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Yeah, we do.

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We do.

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It's really interesting.

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The van guys, I don't know why, but all the van guys want is the solar panels and the walkable.

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They just look, they only buy our walkable panels.

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Right, right.

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I guess not.

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Strictly, but very, 90 some percent are the walkable panels.

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And that's all they want is the panels.

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They don't want the connectors.

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Oh, we do give them a mounting system because we've had them come off.

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So we have a J bracket that holds them down.

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Um, so we sell them the J bracket and the, uh, the, uh, walkable panel.

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But they don't want the solar controller.

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They don't want the inverter.

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They don't want the batteries.

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They have, for whatever reason, they have all that.

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Where's the boaters?

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Want the whole thing.

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They want everything from us.

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I don't know.

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I don't know why, but my guess would be that the van people already have a solar system.

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No, they just want to build it themselves.

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Yeah.

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Or they have, or they shop or I don't know.

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I have no idea.

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I have no idea.

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You're not priced competitively on the controllers or something?

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No, we sell the, the Victrons we sell, they have to be, uh, You know, everybody that sells, that's a dealer for Victron has to stick with the same price.

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Same pricing online.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I guess you can, we were allowed to discount if you call in or something to us.

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But either way, it's not a different, much of a difference anyway.

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Yeah.

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Huh.

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So it's really fascinating.

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No, yeah, I don't know why.

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I don't know why the van guys don't like it.

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But you haven't actually started a separate company like custom van products.

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They're just finding, they're coming to your custom marine products?

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Or are you doing some SEO Too.

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Now we do, yeah.

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We rank, uh, we just got bumped to number two for Van Solar panels, so.

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Oh, wow.

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Yeah, so that's pretty, so, and, and we're number one for walkable solar panels.

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Right.

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And, and this all fluctuates, right?

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So it might be one to three, but generally it's one.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And top and first page for sure of Google top five.

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Yeah.

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For, so yeah, so they search Van Solar panels, and we do have a dedicated Van Solar panel page on the website, but they're, it's not a separate business.

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I mean, it's not, they're not ready to check to custom van products or whatever.

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Right.

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It feels like there's opportunity to.

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At other products, like if you're selling premium items, what other premium items can you sell those people with margin?

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I think that is a beautiful idea.

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Yeah.

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And that's exactly what we're trying, what we're working on doing.

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Just got to spend more time in yachts and at marinas and on the water.

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So you can know what those people are really looking for.

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Yeah.

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Or willing to pay for.

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Yeah.

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And then I see this coolest trends, right?

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Yep.

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Then we're doing the, uh, we do the Annapolis boat show every year, which is really, really neat show right in, uh.

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downtown, uh, Annapolis.

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And yeah, and then we learn what people are selling and what people are right there.

00:16:13.325 --> 00:16:19.014
But yeah, I think refrigeration would be, we used to have refrigeration on, and I think we're going to, we're going to re add that one.

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We're going to, I think, start carrying some other, some higher end solar panel.

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Like people think ours are expensive, but you can pay 50 percent more for solaris and you can pay a hundred percent more for solvents.

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So I figured we might as well sell those.

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And we can, yeah, people buy them.

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Then great.

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If they don't make your other stuff, look, it makes ours, you know, if I was a large, if I, if I'm thinking about the world today and I owned a large yacht, I think what I would really want.

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Is a, an amazing machine gun and turret system, maybe as a rocket launcher.

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Like the Russian oligarch.

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You could maybe connect with some of the Afghans, uh, to get some of that old inventory or something like that to resell on the yacht market.

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High end.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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I'm just thinking if I had a high end yacht, that's really one thing that I would want, at least if I was going Mediterranean area at all.

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Red Sea, Israel.

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Yeah.

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Any of that.

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Anyway, we'll get into the politics section later.

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So, um, like what's your, what's your dreams?

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Like if, uh, if you can, I mean, we just talked about other products and things, but I'm sure, I don't know, like you're doing some, some tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars of revenue per month, but like, I can't think that you have more than like a couple percent market share so far.

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Even, but you're ranking really high.

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So maybe you do like, how do you know, how do you know what size your market is when you're in this world?

00:17:50.355 --> 00:17:54.394
So I think the, yeah, no, I have no, I have no idea what size the market is.

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Um, yeah, that's a great, I mean, how many people want, so, and they're mostly sailboats, but they're also the tug, the pleasure tugs and pleasure trawlers and then the regular boats.

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Well, and I'm thinking like every, but also like surf boats.

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I want solar on there just to keep my battery charged.

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Yeah, if you, oh, you know the stuff on horse tooth lake and stuff.

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Just little maybe.

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Yeah.

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I mean, that's so small.

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That's only a, a couple hundred bucks for a system.

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I know.

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But if they can just, everybody could have that.

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And if you make$75 and you sell it to 10,000 boats a year for those little things.

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And then how about all the pontoons, right On all the inland lakes, all that.

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Yeah, for sure.

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Right.

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Those guys are just out on dock and they wanna Well, and if you've got a pontoon, like you wanna be jamming the tunes, but you want it to be able to restart.

00:18:41.255 --> 00:18:48.865
So if you had an accessory battery pack, then your girls can be swinging on the stripper pole and you're rocking the tunes and you know, you'll still be able to start the engine afterwards.

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Yeah, right, right.

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We, we, you know, we did a guy, we did a, uh, a system for a fellow that had a huge stereo.

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System.

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And the lithium batteries stay at like 13 volts.

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So your, his sound was, he was so thrilled.

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His sound, the sound was excellent for hours and hours.

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And then the solar kept it, kept the battery topped off.

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Yeah.

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He was ecstatic.

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I, yeah, we haven't gone.

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I don't, we guess, I don't know.

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I'm just brainstorming with you.

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No, I love it.

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I mean, we've tried, you know, listen to this.

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So I am one of my.

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pledge brothers, not even my, like my fraternity brother, but then my like 12, one of my 12 guys that I pledged with is the CEO of Polaris.

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Okay.

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And so he turned me on to, uh, his pot.

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I mean, he's, we were at a retreat or whatever.

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And he's like, You know, we do, we do 600 million in revenue in pontoon boats once we talk to so and so and so and so.

00:19:35.055 --> 00:19:35.515
Right.

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It hasn't really, and they have an electric boat they're coming out with too.

00:19:37.545 --> 00:19:38.275
Oh yeah.

00:19:38.315 --> 00:19:39.565
Anyway, we're talking to those guys.

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But yeah, it's fun.

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Yeah.

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Well, and where do you, and can you maintain your margin selling, playing with those big boys, you know, on high volume stuff?

00:19:48.174 --> 00:19:48.865
Yeah, it's okay.

00:19:48.865 --> 00:19:49.664
I mean, I don't, we do.

00:19:49.674 --> 00:19:51.285
You would cut your margin quite a bit if you could.

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Sort of, sort of, but not really.

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I mean, we do, we do, uh, Ranger Tugs is a big, big customer.

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And, Yeah, we do fine with them or it's worth, I don't know, it's worth us doing the business.

00:20:00.640 --> 00:20:01.319
Yeah, yeah, cool.

00:20:01.730 --> 00:20:08.869
So, uh, so anyway, back to the question, like, I guess it's hard to know what size the market is, but it feels like there's continuing growth.

00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:10.470
You've been growing pretty fast, right?

00:20:10.519 --> 00:20:10.839
Yeah.

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25 percent or more a year.

00:20:12.910 --> 00:20:14.990
Yes, anywhere between 40 and 70.

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Oh, wow.

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Percent a year, yeah.

00:20:17.099 --> 00:20:21.230
Um, I guess last, this, this, this year's gonna be slower than that.

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Um, What, uh, wait, what was my, what was the question?

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Oh, like how, how big can you grow it?

00:20:27.884 --> 00:20:32.724
Oh, how big, yeah, I think we need to, I think, I feel like we need to expand to different, like you were saying.

00:20:32.765 --> 00:20:36.894
You can keep dominating solar and add more, but you'll have to add more product lines to it.

00:20:36.904 --> 00:20:40.555
But is this a world where online retailers can really succeed?

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You're, what you're, what I'm asking you, I guess, is like, you're kind of a hybrid model because you've got, Like service way beyond what an Amazon could provide or something and products beyond what they would be willing to carry, cover, explain things like that.

00:20:55.950 --> 00:21:04.609
You know, but the, the online retail environment for many sellers is super tough because you know, Amazon competitive, right?

00:21:04.670 --> 00:21:04.920
Yeah.

00:21:04.920 --> 00:21:05.359
Yeah.

00:21:05.829 --> 00:21:06.170
Yeah.

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Somebody came out on with our band with solar panels, similar to ours on the, on it's whatever band solar panels.

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Yeah.

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They, they bought and pay.

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I mean, They're just, they're very small and it's not a very good site, but, um, yeah, I think, I think, I don't know, or yeah, anyway, we, yeah, we do a lot of high touch, um, but it's a high end panel, our warranty is excellent.

00:21:33.634 --> 00:21:34.444
It's super easy.

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If something goes wrong, we just replace it without asking any questions.

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Um, if you have any problems before the sale, after the sale, years after the sale.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's what I'm hearing is it's so much, it's.

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It's, even though you can order stuff online, it's, it's still a hybrid experience where the opportunity to have a real high touch, long lasting relationship is there.

00:21:53.740 --> 00:21:54.109
Yup.

00:21:54.960 --> 00:21:55.470
Yeah, exactly.

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So what else can you sell these people?

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Right.

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Right.

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Anyway, we won't solve that today.

00:22:00.299 --> 00:22:02.849
That's more of a question for a local think tank chapter.

00:22:03.990 --> 00:22:09.192
Um, what are, what would you say some of your, like you worked in, in capital management, right?

00:22:09.192 --> 00:22:13.000
And arbitrage and finance kind of stuff for a long time.

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Right.

00:22:14.019 --> 00:22:35.339
And then into kind of this hybrid quasi retail wholesale environment, what would you say has surprised you about, like, having salespeople and employees and, like, setting up the systems, deciding to go forward with the Shopify, even though you were scared it was going to, you know, Reduce your SEO.

00:22:35.990 --> 00:22:45.299
Oh, yeah, whatever all these things like what's your observations about entrepreneurship compared to I Guess professional services is probably even though you're an entrepreneur before it.

00:22:45.410 --> 00:22:49.210
Yeah, there's a kind of game There was that you have finance was you can't really touch anything, right?

00:22:49.210 --> 00:22:57.815
You've just it's just money I had employees before but it's Had this is really it's really interesting to Yeah.

00:22:57.815 --> 00:22:58.605
The stuff I don't want to do.

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There's people that do want to do what I don't want to do.

00:23:01.125 --> 00:23:01.325
Right.

00:23:01.325 --> 00:23:03.305
And they're happy to do it and they're happy to have the job.

00:23:03.305 --> 00:23:05.295
And, uh, yeah, it's fantastic.

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And they do a better job at it than I did.

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Right.

00:23:08.065 --> 00:23:13.275
So we keep handing more and more stuff off and, uh, it's tough.

00:23:13.305 --> 00:23:15.775
The, you know, what's tough is the inventory is really hard.

00:23:15.775 --> 00:23:17.625
The cap, there's been a lot to learn, right?

00:23:17.625 --> 00:23:19.734
So we have a lot of capital tied up in inventory.

00:23:19.744 --> 00:23:21.055
Imagine I have to figure out.

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It probably goes down in value too, or not really.

00:23:26.144 --> 00:23:27.345
Is solar changing?

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Is it getting cheaper or is it actually, because of inflation, it's at least stable?

00:23:32.434 --> 00:23:35.684
You know, these high end, um, sun power panels that we have?

00:23:36.134 --> 00:23:40.164
No, we try to keep pretty skinny on the inventory, but if we over order, it's tough to unload.

00:23:40.204 --> 00:23:43.634
And yeah, you're right, it does keep moving forward, but not super fast.

00:23:43.644 --> 00:23:43.894
Yeah.

00:23:43.894 --> 00:23:48.664
Um, um, yeah.

00:23:48.664 --> 00:23:51.359
The batteries have gotten a lot cheaper, but we've unloaded most of the batteries.

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Maybe not all, but we don't want to get stuck with a bunch of batteries.

00:23:54.730 --> 00:23:56.849
Yeah, especially they're getting cheaper and cheaper all the time.

00:23:56.849 --> 00:23:57.059
Right.

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So, right.

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Um, but they might get more and more expensive in the futures depending on lithium and China and all those things.

00:24:04.680 --> 00:24:04.829
Right.

00:24:04.829 --> 00:24:09.559
There's a lot of interesting, uh, yeah, it's interesting supply chain potential challenges there.

00:24:09.609 --> 00:24:09.839
Yeah.

00:24:09.839 --> 00:24:11.619
And if there's, yeah, if there's a big, yeah.

00:24:12.460 --> 00:24:20.670
This is another big problem for the domestic, like auto market, like Ford and stuff is they're not too sure where they can get good batteries.

00:24:21.339 --> 00:24:21.910
Oh, true.

00:24:21.910 --> 00:24:22.109
Yeah.

00:24:22.109 --> 00:24:22.359
Yeah.

00:24:22.359 --> 00:24:25.549
Everybody's what are they off near shoring or whatever?

00:24:25.750 --> 00:24:26.130
Yeah.

00:24:26.220 --> 00:24:26.390
Yeah.

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Pulling away from China.

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Yeah.

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And then they're super, the tariffs are tough to deal with.

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Bring importing solar.

00:24:32.440 --> 00:24:33.920
They're all over the solar from China.

00:24:33.920 --> 00:24:35.230
So we are yours from China.

00:24:36.279 --> 00:24:37.569
Uh, we see Asia.

00:24:37.569 --> 00:24:37.990
Yeah.

00:24:38.049 --> 00:24:43.470
And also, and we're looking to, we have some from Canada, some from the States and some from China.

00:24:43.470 --> 00:24:43.700
Yeah.

00:24:43.700 --> 00:24:44.349
Oh, interesting.

00:24:44.519 --> 00:24:44.930
So.

00:24:45.539 --> 00:24:48.099
Yeah, we're looking to diversify out of China, but they're excellent.

00:24:48.099 --> 00:24:50.069
I mean, the products are excellent.

00:24:50.119 --> 00:24:51.359
They're really inexperienced.

00:24:51.359 --> 00:24:53.529
They're low price, right?

00:24:53.529 --> 00:24:59.109
Or they, it's an excellent product at a, if you, if you find the right, the right manufacturer.

00:24:59.109 --> 00:24:59.440
Yeah.

00:24:59.869 --> 00:25:06.069
So it's tough to, I mean, we're always looking like these, these panels that I'm saying that are 50%, 100 percent more than ours are German.

00:25:06.630 --> 00:25:10.799
Um, And they're also excellent, but they're actually not as good.

00:25:10.829 --> 00:25:12.390
I think our panels are better.

00:25:12.390 --> 00:25:12.839
Right.

00:25:12.839 --> 00:25:19.380
And they're 23% efficient, where ours, 22, 23 and ours are 24, 20 5% efficient.

00:25:19.380 --> 00:25:19.500
Yeah.

00:25:19.529 --> 00:25:20.880
So it's tough to I dunno.

00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:23.400
It's tough to What an interesting environment.

00:25:23.490 --> 00:25:24.450
Um, yeah.

00:25:24.539 --> 00:25:32.369
You know, China's made a lot of money slinging solar panels to Europe and the world and the US and, and the world.

00:25:32.819 --> 00:25:33.150
Um.

00:25:34.089 --> 00:25:38.940
And fueling the construction of those solar panels with coal plants, pretty much.

00:25:39.069 --> 00:25:39.750
Oh, true.

00:25:40.259 --> 00:25:41.029
Anyway, I digress.

00:25:41.829 --> 00:25:52.589
But in some ways the, the solar manufacturing opportunity for them enabled them to like, be the energy drawers of, of using all that extra energy in China.

00:25:53.160 --> 00:25:54.910
You know, they needed to do that stuff.

00:25:55.000 --> 00:25:55.230
Yeah.

00:25:55.230 --> 00:25:55.480
Yeah.

00:25:55.890 --> 00:25:59.549
They are, they are installing a lot of solar and using, they are using solar too.

00:25:59.549 --> 00:25:59.849
Yeah.

00:25:59.849 --> 00:26:00.029
Yeah.

00:26:00.029 --> 00:26:00.285
Oh, good.

00:26:00.714 --> 00:26:01.545
But no, you're right.

00:26:01.545 --> 00:26:03.144
I mean, a ton of their power comes from coal.

00:26:03.244 --> 00:26:09.545
Well, it's high density power comparatively, you know, and you need that for some of the manufacturing processes like solar.

00:26:09.795 --> 00:26:14.664
I mean, electricity will get you there, but it's nothing like burning things sometimes to get things real hot.

00:26:14.865 --> 00:26:15.125
Yep.

00:26:16.015 --> 00:26:17.494
So, so it goes.

00:26:17.825 --> 00:26:25.545
So I guess, um, like to stick on with, uh, with, uh, custom marine for a bit.

00:26:25.884 --> 00:26:30.085
Um, like if somebody wanted to do a.

00:26:31.730 --> 00:26:38.210
Obviously not compete with you, but, but what, what can they count on for like margins in a reseller type environment like this?

00:26:38.230 --> 00:26:41.779
Is that, like, can you get 30 percent margin on something like that?

00:26:41.779 --> 00:26:42.049
Is that?

00:26:42.855 --> 00:26:43.414
Half?

00:26:43.434 --> 00:26:44.244
I would say so.

00:26:44.244 --> 00:26:44.845
Potentially?

00:26:44.875 --> 00:26:45.384
Sure, yeah.

00:26:45.384 --> 00:26:45.694
Okay.

00:26:45.765 --> 00:26:46.355
Maybe better.

00:26:46.505 --> 00:26:51.664
Better than that if you find the right suppliers and But then you have to, yeah, but I guess I mean there's a lot of costs associated with it.

00:26:51.664 --> 00:27:07.035
Yeah, you have to store it, yeah, you pay all the storage Warehousing and stuff, but as far as gross margin Warehousing, shipping, everything, yeah So yours is kind of like, once you get to the 50, but 20 Once you get to the corner, then you've got a pretty nice business, but you've got to do X amount every month, otherwise you're bleeding.

00:27:07.035 --> 00:27:07.275
Exactly, exactly.

00:27:07.694 --> 00:27:07.964
Right.

00:27:08.625 --> 00:27:08.894
Yeah.

00:27:08.914 --> 00:27:09.075
Yeah.

00:27:09.115 --> 00:27:20.694
The nature of every kind of business like yours, but yeah, the number is very like, you've got decent margin to work with, but it takes a fair bit of infrastructure, infrastructure to be able to deliver the goods and sort of upfront investment.

00:27:20.694 --> 00:27:22.505
I mean, we don't have any debt.

00:27:22.515 --> 00:27:29.805
We've been able to grow sort of organically and the margins have been good enough that we've been able to buy or get out in front of our customers.

00:27:30.075 --> 00:27:35.484
Demand, but yeah, so you got a lot of capital sunk into your inventory, but we do, at least you don't have a debt load on it.

00:27:36.025 --> 00:27:37.184
It's our capital, right?

00:27:37.184 --> 00:27:43.184
If you had an 8 percent operating line financing that it would make the encouragement to sell things faster.

00:27:43.244 --> 00:27:43.535
Yeah.

00:27:45.654 --> 00:27:47.085
It's such an interesting thing about how.

00:27:47.585 --> 00:27:50.305
capital structure really manage matters for a business.

00:27:50.434 --> 00:27:50.924
Yeah.

00:27:50.984 --> 00:27:51.375
Yeah.

00:27:51.424 --> 00:27:56.934
If you had a high debt, highly leveraged business in your space, it would be hard to squeeze out many bucks.

00:27:57.005 --> 00:27:57.884
Yeah, absolutely.

00:27:57.884 --> 00:28:03.605
And then, and then the payroll is a, is something that I've never had to really deal with.

00:28:03.644 --> 00:28:05.214
Um, yeah.

00:28:05.244 --> 00:28:15.654
So every month you had to come up, you have to do a certain amount and move a certain amount, but then you also have to have leftover capital to buy more capital to to recycle it to buy more product, uh, sell.

00:28:15.654 --> 00:28:28.214
So it was kind of a, Totally all those things they teach us in business school, but what is your money rotating through the system and you know turning over and What do you think your inventory turns are?

00:28:28.375 --> 00:28:31.474
Yeah, I don't know not less than one Really?

00:28:31.474 --> 00:28:32.075
Yeah.

00:28:32.174 --> 00:28:32.535
Okay.

00:28:32.535 --> 00:29:09.049
So that's part of your opportunity to I mean it is but but our lead time, you know Oh, yeah, you're shooting stuff from a long ways away I said we'll place an order and then it has to be when then we get in line to be built Then it has to be shipped, then it has to get through customs, then it has to arrive to the warehouse, then it has to be processed in, so we're like, and then we'll order, like, we had an order, I want to say last year, in October, that we didn't get till March, right, so, so we could be skinny, but then, but then that order comes in in March, and it's all already sold already, right, so it comes in, and it's all been back ordered, and all those, right out the door, so if you could really forecast demand, then.

00:29:09.825 --> 00:29:12.914
Well, that would really be a clutch thing for your business.

00:29:13.375 --> 00:29:20.305
If you could actually do that, I'm not sure you ever will able to, but because then you could turn the inventory to so much faster, right?

00:29:20.305 --> 00:29:23.515
You could basically have just in time inventory arrival ish.

00:29:25.105 --> 00:29:25.444
Right.

00:29:26.605 --> 00:29:28.515
Except for we, we made that order in October.

00:29:28.525 --> 00:29:29.724
It was supposed to come in in December.

00:29:30.309 --> 00:29:31.579
But then it doesn't show up till March.

00:29:31.589 --> 00:29:36.089
So, so ordering COVID, you can't, you can't get anything, can't get anything.

00:29:36.089 --> 00:29:37.650
And so you put in this huge order.

00:29:38.420 --> 00:29:40.730
You're like, well, we might as well have eight months for this stuff.

00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:41.339
Yeah.

00:29:41.470 --> 00:29:41.829
Right.

00:29:42.309 --> 00:29:42.710
Right.

00:29:43.029 --> 00:29:44.450
But you don't have too many SKUs, right?

00:29:44.450 --> 00:29:47.519
You maybe have a hundred, a couple hundred.

00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:47.920
Yeah.

00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:49.634
Which I mean, it's not, it seems like a lot.

00:29:49.634 --> 00:29:54.250
It seems like it's plenty, but if you compare it to Amazon or Walmart, yeah.

00:29:54.289 --> 00:29:59.619
So at least there's, you know, you could, if you've got a warehouse with X amount of inventory.

00:30:00.349 --> 00:30:04.890
Those first sales, like the solar panel on a pole, like, so exciting.

00:30:05.259 --> 00:30:12.960
Like you guys were just doing that and from the garage or whatever you ordered a couple dozen of them or something like that.

00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:18.039
And then, I mean, we had to, we machined each, we went out to machine shops and had each.

00:30:19.150 --> 00:30:19.440
Hmm.

00:30:19.569 --> 00:30:21.309
And there's like a dozen parts that go into it.

00:30:21.309 --> 00:30:23.730
So we had each part has to be made.

00:30:24.545 --> 00:30:26.664
I mean, it's a tough, that's a tough business.

00:30:26.664 --> 00:30:27.095
It's interesting.

00:30:27.095 --> 00:30:28.644
I mean, I mean, we're not particularly interested.

00:30:28.644 --> 00:30:30.924
We don't sell a whole lot of those and they're not that high.

00:30:30.924 --> 00:30:43.204
I mean, we doubled the price on them since, but so we do make money on them, but, but they're, geez, I talk about inventory, but the other, yeah, a dozen different parts that you have to have made to sell, to sell one unit.

00:30:43.434 --> 00:30:43.875
Interesting.

00:30:43.884 --> 00:30:45.144
It's a lot easier to sell a solar panel.

00:30:45.144 --> 00:30:46.815
And what's the value proposition on that?

00:30:46.825 --> 00:31:16.680
That's like, Oh, is that just mounts kind of in the center somewhere as part of your pulling setup or it hangs off the back it attaches to your rails around your cockpit and okay in the rear and then it has what 13 positions and then you can swivel it so so you get 30 percent more power out of it could always have it be like right on it yeah so it's always perpendicular to the Sun yeah yeah so you get way more power out of it interesting yeah so my dad my dad ran this whole boat off of a 180 watt panel right where And he had extra power.

00:31:16.690 --> 00:31:17.509
He had excess power.

00:31:17.509 --> 00:31:19.799
A lot of people had 300 and it wasn't working.

00:31:19.990 --> 00:31:20.289
Right.

00:31:20.420 --> 00:31:20.720
Right.

00:31:20.740 --> 00:31:26.700
So, yeah, to have it flat, you need 300 ish watts to do the same as a single pole.

00:31:26.710 --> 00:31:28.160
This is a manual adjustment thing, I guess.

00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:30.019
You got to follow it around with a little crank.

00:31:30.029 --> 00:31:31.130
Yeah, I mean, you're not doing anything.

00:31:31.130 --> 00:31:32.284
You're just staying on your own.

00:31:32.284 --> 00:31:33.855
It's just kind of fun to adjust.

00:31:33.855 --> 00:31:34.609
I had one.

00:31:34.910 --> 00:31:37.390
Look, the thing is 12 percent off of being perfect.

00:31:37.529 --> 00:31:37.819
Right.

00:31:37.859 --> 00:31:38.099
Right.

00:31:38.579 --> 00:31:40.319
I had one on my boat in Chicago for a while.

00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:41.420
Um, okay.

00:31:41.420 --> 00:31:41.940
That's fun.

00:31:42.549 --> 00:31:43.480
It's fun to goof around with.

00:31:43.789 --> 00:31:48.549
Um, let's uh, should we jump back to, you just said Detroit and then you said Chicago.

00:31:49.019 --> 00:31:50.059
Oh yeah, did you say Michigan?

00:31:50.505 --> 00:31:53.375
I grew up in Michigan and lived in Chicago a long time.

00:31:53.375 --> 00:31:55.265
Do you want to talk more about business?

00:31:55.265 --> 00:31:57.765
Or should we jump back in the time machine and go from there?

00:31:57.815 --> 00:31:57.904
Sure, whatever.

00:31:57.904 --> 00:31:58.075
Yeah.

00:31:58.125 --> 00:31:58.484
Alright.

00:31:58.605 --> 00:31:59.365
I'm the host.

00:31:59.365 --> 00:32:00.045
I can do what I want.

00:32:00.454 --> 00:32:01.035
How's your whiskey?

00:32:01.035 --> 00:32:01.595
You doing okay?

00:32:01.595 --> 00:32:01.644
Okay.

00:32:01.644 --> 00:32:02.194
It's terrific.

00:32:02.545 --> 00:32:02.605
Thank you.

00:32:02.605 --> 00:32:02.954
Alright.

00:32:02.994 --> 00:32:03.325
Good.

00:32:03.934 --> 00:32:04.875
Um, okay.

00:32:09.134 --> 00:32:11.214
We're in Michigan.

00:32:11.884 --> 00:32:14.115
You are in fifth grade.

00:32:16.065 --> 00:32:16.734
What's going on?

00:32:17.994 --> 00:32:18.464
Fifth grade.

00:32:18.464 --> 00:32:20.224
I'm at Midvale Elementary School.

00:32:21.035 --> 00:32:22.315
Long walk to school every day.

00:32:22.315 --> 00:32:22.365
Okay.

00:32:22.755 --> 00:32:24.315
And is this Detroit?

00:32:24.505 --> 00:32:26.204
Is this, we're, we're in Michigan.

00:32:26.234 --> 00:32:27.105
Oh, Birmingham.

00:32:27.434 --> 00:32:27.684
Birmingham.

00:32:27.684 --> 00:32:29.115
Nice, nice suburb north of.

00:32:29.275 --> 00:32:29.454
Okay.

00:32:31.019 --> 00:32:33.509
Well to do whatever suburb north of Detroit.

00:32:33.569 --> 00:32:33.930
Okay.

00:32:34.380 --> 00:32:36.299
So what was the circumstance?

00:32:36.599 --> 00:32:39.269
Was your dad in the auto industry or something?

00:32:39.269 --> 00:32:41.009
Yeah, no, he was a consultant.

00:32:41.009 --> 00:32:46.769
He was like the first guy to ever, or the youngest guy to make partner at Pricewaterhouse on the consult, on the consulting side.

00:32:46.859 --> 00:32:47.400
Oh, interesting.

00:32:47.430 --> 00:32:47.579
Yeah.

00:32:47.579 --> 00:32:48.690
So he did really well.

00:32:49.140 --> 00:32:49.799
Sharp guy.

00:32:49.859 --> 00:32:50.130
Yeah.

00:32:50.130 --> 00:32:52.680
Oh, and he worked, yeah, he's, he works with me in the company or, yeah, sure.

00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:53.279
I told you that already.

00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:53.519
Yeah.

00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:53.520
Yeah.

00:32:53.526 --> 00:32:55.079
He found, or we did founded the company.

00:32:55.079 --> 00:32:55.410
Sure.

00:32:55.859 --> 00:32:56.369
Together.

00:32:56.880 --> 00:32:57.390
Um.

00:32:58.359 --> 00:33:06.000
And so he'd like he was like a high paid consultant as you were growing up through those first five years of school and stuff Yeah, and he was gone.

00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:12.299
I mean he would travel up until I was five years old He traveled like 90 percent of the time and then he became partner.

00:33:12.769 --> 00:33:15.289
So he ran the office So he sold a lot more work locally.

00:33:15.289 --> 00:33:17.039
So then he was home a lot more after that.

00:33:17.089 --> 00:33:20.640
Yeah And then, what?

00:33:20.869 --> 00:33:23.319
Yeah, I grew up, went to No, no siblings?

00:33:23.369 --> 00:33:23.509
No?

00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:24.150
Oh, I have a sister.

00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:25.059
I have a little sister, yeah.

00:33:25.109 --> 00:33:25.960
She's in Chicago now.

00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:28.460
Was your mom, uh, just watching the littles?

00:33:28.490 --> 00:33:34.279
Cause dad made plenty of dough and She was staying home until And then she went to work at one of the elementary schools in town.

00:33:34.509 --> 00:33:34.809
Okay.

00:33:34.869 --> 00:33:36.069
Uh, kind of for fun.

00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:36.369
Yeah.

00:33:36.410 --> 00:33:37.553
But it was helpful too.

00:33:37.553 --> 00:33:38.920
Kind of a teacher's aide kind of thing or whatever.

00:33:39.244 --> 00:33:41.224
She, yeah, she ran the after school programs.

00:33:41.234 --> 00:33:42.214
Yeah, yeah, things like that.

00:33:42.214 --> 00:33:43.144
and the before school programs.

00:33:43.164 --> 00:33:43.914
Yeah, yeah.

00:33:43.924 --> 00:33:45.674
She had a lot of fun.

00:33:45.674 --> 00:33:49.280
Um, what was, uh, what was five year old Tom like?

00:33:49.280 --> 00:33:51.815
Like, were you a straight A student?

00:33:51.835 --> 00:33:54.724
Were you getting into trouble because your dad was gone all the time?

00:33:54.724 --> 00:33:56.904
Were you, uh I was a good kid.

00:33:56.904 --> 00:33:58.625
We didn't, my sister and I didn't fight at all.

00:33:58.644 --> 00:34:01.744
She always jokes about it, or talks about that, and we didn't, you know, we were buddies.

00:34:01.805 --> 00:34:02.545
No family strife.

00:34:02.545 --> 00:34:03.454
Still are buddies, yeah.

00:34:03.454 --> 00:34:04.144
Yeah, dig it.

00:34:04.214 --> 00:34:04.595
Yeah.

00:34:05.565 --> 00:34:08.175
Played a lot of Legos, played outdoors a lot.

00:34:08.255 --> 00:34:08.514
Yeah.

00:34:08.744 --> 00:34:09.454
Loved being outdoors.

00:34:09.454 --> 00:34:11.014
We had a boat, we had a sailboat growing up.

00:34:11.144 --> 00:34:11.554
Okay.

00:34:11.744 --> 00:34:12.585
Or I guess, you know what?

00:34:12.585 --> 00:34:18.724
We had a, uh, we had a power boat, a water ski boat up until I was old enough to water ski in like around 10.

00:34:18.914 --> 00:34:19.304
Okay.

00:34:19.304 --> 00:34:21.925
And then we switched to a sailboat, which is kind of a big bummer.

00:34:23.525 --> 00:34:24.155
But whatever.

00:34:24.155 --> 00:34:25.125
Sailboats are still fun.

00:34:25.125 --> 00:34:25.835
But yeah, it's fun.

00:34:26.675 --> 00:34:30.965
And then we, oh, we belonged to a yacht club, uh, Orchard Lake Golf slash Yacht Club.

00:34:31.175 --> 00:34:32.735
And so I learned, I learned to sail there.

00:34:32.744 --> 00:34:35.795
So you kind of grew up around the blue bloods of the region there, kind of.

00:34:36.585 --> 00:34:37.099
I mean, in comparison.

00:34:37.099 --> 00:34:38.804
Yeah, I guess that's a, yeah, I guess you could say that.

00:34:38.804 --> 00:34:39.045
Yeah.

00:34:39.105 --> 00:34:40.894
I mean, I'm a kid from North Dakota.

00:34:40.894 --> 00:34:49.355
I grew up with five other poor kids in my class, you know, and we didn't have wealth really around where I grew up.

00:34:49.594 --> 00:34:49.954
Okay.

00:34:49.954 --> 00:34:50.539
That's interesting.

00:34:50.539 --> 00:34:50.541
Yeah.

00:34:50.764 --> 00:34:54.295
Even the rich people were probably like almost a millionaire.

00:34:54.735 --> 00:34:55.184
Okay.

00:34:55.545 --> 00:34:57.164
You know, or right around there.

00:34:57.315 --> 00:34:57.614
Yeah.

00:34:57.885 --> 00:34:58.844
Oh, that's interesting.

00:34:59.054 --> 00:34:59.235
Yeah.

00:34:59.295 --> 00:34:59.474
Yeah.

00:34:59.474 --> 00:35:00.346
That's an interesting, uh.

00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:02.860
Yeah, there were lots of wealthy people around.

00:35:03.400 --> 00:35:06.340
Not all my friends were wealthy, but some were super wealthy.

00:35:06.349 --> 00:35:06.829
Yeah, yeah.

00:35:06.889 --> 00:35:08.090
Maybe not super wealthy, whatever.

00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:09.670
Sure, whatever super wealthy is.

00:35:09.730 --> 00:35:11.599
A lot of one percenters, two percenters, anyway.

00:35:11.639 --> 00:35:12.280
Yeah, yeah.

00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:13.610
And there's a lot of money from the auto.

00:35:13.610 --> 00:35:15.710
I mean, cars cost a lot of money.

00:35:15.829 --> 00:35:16.320
Right.

00:35:16.369 --> 00:35:21.469
Well, and it was still, at that time, it hadn't been depressed for long yet.

00:35:21.940 --> 00:35:22.219
Right?

00:35:22.219 --> 00:35:23.769
Like, it probably got worse and worse.

00:35:23.769 --> 00:35:27.255
And that region, as the next thing you know, Twenty years passed on.

00:35:29.394 --> 00:35:36.304
It went through, it went in the 80s, early 80s it was terrible and my dad had to lay off like all of his staff except for four guys I guess.

00:35:36.385 --> 00:35:36.795
Wow.

00:35:37.085 --> 00:35:38.364
From like 20 or something?

00:35:38.414 --> 00:35:39.635
From 50 I think.

00:35:39.635 --> 00:35:40.155
Whoa.

00:35:40.164 --> 00:35:41.375
He had to lay them all off.

00:35:41.474 --> 00:35:41.894
Right.

00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:44.130
Super painful.

00:35:44.510 --> 00:35:49.070
Yeah, when the, when the economy gets a cold, Detroit gets the flu, is the, uh.

00:35:49.449 --> 00:35:51.159
Well, they say that about banks, too, in general.

00:35:51.190 --> 00:35:51.760
Oh, no kidding.

00:35:51.980 --> 00:35:52.519
I didn't know that.

00:35:52.789 --> 00:35:53.150
Okay.

00:35:53.949 --> 00:35:56.409
Um, but then when it's boom time, I mean, it's crazy.

00:35:56.409 --> 00:36:10.224
I, I went back to, my folks just sold their house last year, and I went back to the neighborhood, and it's, and they, you know, The, the block north of us was all ranches, but they've all, but every one of them has been torn down and there's a big, huge man, huge, I don't know, mansions, but big foothouses, we call them.

00:36:10.744 --> 00:36:12.405
They've all been super.

00:36:12.925 --> 00:36:13.514
It's way nice.

00:36:13.554 --> 00:36:16.905
I mean, it was nice when I grew up, but it's even nicer.

00:36:16.914 --> 00:36:17.655
That's interesting.

00:36:17.684 --> 00:36:24.735
So has Detroit, you know, I haven't really paid attention for a while, but like, GM's making money, hand over fist, Ford's making tons of money, Chrysler's making tons of money.

00:36:24.764 --> 00:36:25.534
Yeah, they're doing great.

00:36:25.574 --> 00:36:25.914
Okay.

00:36:25.914 --> 00:36:29.224
So the, the, uh, Domestic auto industry is a lot better.

00:36:29.224 --> 00:36:34.974
Cause it wasn't maybe five or seven years ago when Detroit was like, you buy a house for 17, 000.

00:36:35.014 --> 00:36:35.284
Right.

00:36:35.284 --> 00:36:37.074
And they had a lot of, okay.

00:36:37.105 --> 00:36:43.855
So inner city Detroit is still tough, but the greater industry is producing profits to be spent around and whatever.

00:36:43.925 --> 00:36:44.135
Yep.

00:36:44.175 --> 00:36:44.364
Yep.

00:36:44.405 --> 00:36:44.775
Okay.

00:36:45.434 --> 00:36:47.414
Well, and is Polaris based out of there too?

00:36:47.625 --> 00:36:49.184
They're out of Minnesota.

00:36:49.295 --> 00:36:49.675
Okay.

00:36:49.675 --> 00:36:50.184
That's right.

00:36:50.204 --> 00:36:50.505
Snow.

00:36:50.574 --> 00:36:51.065
Yeah.

00:36:51.074 --> 00:36:53.554
Well, cause they're also Indian now, right?

00:36:53.565 --> 00:36:54.735
Like they're making all right.

00:36:54.755 --> 00:36:55.414
Selling motorcycles.

00:36:55.414 --> 00:36:55.844
Right, right, right.

00:36:55.844 --> 00:36:56.744
They on Indian as well.

00:36:56.744 --> 00:36:56.954
Yeah.

00:36:58.550 --> 00:37:05.269
So like what's your journey like through the high school years and stuff still good grades still good kid Yeah, good decent grades.

00:37:05.269 --> 00:37:05.500
I don't know.

00:37:05.510 --> 00:37:18.340
I wasn't sailing Yeah, sailing what I had a good group of guys good group of buddies that I still we're going we're getting together next week I'm going north one one friend has a lives in North Carolina has a lake or what?

00:37:18.340 --> 00:37:21.369
He's a gastroenterologist and he's got a real nice beach house.

00:37:21.460 --> 00:37:24.880
Okay on an island in North Carolina So all the all my high school buddies are going down there.

00:37:24.909 --> 00:37:28.835
That's fun I really didn't stay in touch with my high school buddies in that same way.

00:37:29.664 --> 00:37:32.164
I mean, there was only five of us total.

00:37:32.525 --> 00:37:33.755
One was a girl, you know.

00:37:34.815 --> 00:37:39.264
So, for me, my college friends became the everlasting group of friends.

00:37:39.264 --> 00:37:39.744
Cool.

00:37:39.815 --> 00:37:41.255
Oh, Yeah, in comparison.

00:37:41.255 --> 00:37:41.554
That's important.

00:37:41.844 --> 00:37:43.844
So, you're getting ready to go off to school.

00:37:45.215 --> 00:37:46.605
Oh, so, yeah, then I go to college.

00:37:46.605 --> 00:37:49.974
What, uh, it was Michigan.

00:37:49.974 --> 00:37:52.614
I could have gone to the University of Michigan, but I thought that was too liberal.

00:37:52.614 --> 00:37:57.650
So, I wanted to go to, uh, I want to be an engineer because that's just what you do in Detroit, right?

00:37:57.650 --> 00:37:58.619
Everybody's an engineer.

00:37:59.110 --> 00:38:02.614
It wasn't really And then I was sort of Um, yeah, my dad was an engineer.

00:38:02.614 --> 00:38:04.755
My grandpa went to Annapolis as an engineer.

00:38:04.755 --> 00:38:05.335
Oh, interesting.

00:38:05.755 --> 00:38:08.445
Even though your dad was Price Waterhouse, he was an engineer by trade.

00:38:08.445 --> 00:38:09.295
Yeah, he got into sales.

00:38:09.514 --> 00:38:14.905
Yeah, his first job was IBM as sales, and then boom, into, yeah, which I guess consulting is.

00:38:15.344 --> 00:38:17.344
Yeah, consulting sales kind of thing, yeah.

00:38:17.355 --> 00:38:18.085
Right, totally.

00:38:18.135 --> 00:38:19.605
Or that's why he made Partners so early, right?

00:38:19.605 --> 00:38:20.764
Because he sold so much work.

00:38:20.784 --> 00:38:21.144
Right.

00:38:21.594 --> 00:38:22.105
Um.

00:38:23.070 --> 00:38:24.340
Yeah, I went, so I went, yeah.

00:38:24.340 --> 00:38:26.659
And anyway, engineer, everybody's an engineer in Detroit.

00:38:26.659 --> 00:38:27.449
So that's what I did.

00:38:27.829 --> 00:38:29.659
But no U of M, you said you went where instead?

00:38:29.670 --> 00:38:32.670
Oh, so I went to Purdue, which seemed to be a better fit for me.

00:38:32.670 --> 00:38:33.289
Indiana.

00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:34.400
Okay.

00:38:34.900 --> 00:38:37.239
But top, yeah, I was an industrial engineer.

00:38:37.260 --> 00:38:43.900
I wanted to, mechanical engineer was, I had a minor in mechanical engineering and industrial engineering, which is a manufacturing.

00:38:44.829 --> 00:38:47.659
Um, and it's still the number one.

00:38:47.670 --> 00:38:49.389
It was the number one school and whatever.

00:38:49.389 --> 00:38:51.199
It's top three, top five in the country.

00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:51.440
So.

00:38:52.135 --> 00:39:00.045
That was an amazing experience, joined a fraternity, all my boys are still, still buddies with all those guys, and uh, yeah.

00:39:00.195 --> 00:39:01.454
Did you ever become an engineer?

00:39:01.775 --> 00:39:20.525
Oh yeah, yeah, then I did, I did, uh, out of college I was, what did I do, um, oh I had an, uh, an internship at General Motors one summer, and then I got a job in South Bend doing parts, doing the parts for, plastic parts for, automotive for Ford and GM.

00:39:20.525 --> 00:39:21.744
We, we probably don't.

00:39:22.340 --> 00:39:31.179
appreciated enough, uh, here in Northern Colorado where we've got a, a super diverse economy, right, aside from maybe the education system and stuff.

00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:35.349
That's pretty dumb, and the hospital system is pretty big.

00:39:35.869 --> 00:39:39.460
But otherwise, there isn't that much concentration.

00:39:39.469 --> 00:39:50.480
Whereas, like, in the Detroit greater region, and even Indiana and all that stuff, you know, you can work for one of the bigs, GM or Ford or whatever, or you can work for one of the many hundreds and hundreds of Suppliers.

00:39:50.489 --> 00:39:51.789
Suppliers for those people.

00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:52.489
Tier 2.

00:39:52.610 --> 00:39:53.730
Tier, yeah, yeah, Delphi.

00:39:53.730 --> 00:39:54.599
Tier 3.

00:39:54.599 --> 00:40:03.315
3 and 4, you know, and all these, and machine shops that just make a, You know, 10, 000 of these things for GM heavy trucks or whatever.

00:40:03.364 --> 00:40:03.715
Yeah.

00:40:03.914 --> 00:40:15.494
So everybody just about like, not everybody, but, but like, Those high schoolers going to college and those college students looking for jobs, it's like probably 40, 50 percent dependent on that greater industry.

00:40:15.625 --> 00:40:17.175
Yeah, that's safe.

00:40:17.244 --> 00:40:23.525
And you still have bankers and you still have marketing agencies and this and that, but nothing that really soaks up the bulk like that.

00:40:23.684 --> 00:40:24.105
Right.

00:40:24.255 --> 00:40:24.514
Yeah.

00:40:24.525 --> 00:40:24.724
Right.

00:40:24.724 --> 00:40:25.315
Interesting thing.

00:40:25.409 --> 00:40:25.730
Yeah.

00:40:25.730 --> 00:40:28.269
And then a bunch of it moved offshore for a long time.

00:40:28.530 --> 00:40:31.250
So a lot of those machine shops in Detroit went, went under.

00:40:31.250 --> 00:40:31.389
Yeah.

00:40:31.389 --> 00:40:33.300
All those, they were, the small ones went under.

00:40:33.329 --> 00:40:33.670
Right.

00:40:33.719 --> 00:40:34.159
Yeah.

00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:34.730
Probably.

00:40:34.769 --> 00:40:35.429
Big ones too.

00:40:35.429 --> 00:40:39.159
And then, but a lot has come, a lot has come back and I've talked to, who did I talk to?

00:40:39.159 --> 00:40:52.250
One of the, yeah, this, at the factory that I worked at, um, out of college, I talked to the manager and he said, well, okay, so here, so I talked to the manager, he says, we're, we're pretty competitive with China now, or we can make, we make our parts.

00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:53.710
It's not that much.

00:40:54.730 --> 00:40:59.420
And we're not even, we're on par, you know, everybody dialed it in, put a lot of work in, automated this, automated that.

00:40:59.429 --> 00:41:01.570
I mean, China raised their wages.

00:41:02.030 --> 00:41:02.800
Yeah, and then it's a hassle.

00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:03.829
Three times, five times.

00:41:03.969 --> 00:41:05.349
to get them.

00:41:05.349 --> 00:41:06.550
Three months to get your stuff.

00:41:07.460 --> 00:41:08.889
Right, exactly, exactly.

00:41:08.889 --> 00:41:11.409
And where, where you can just drive to Cool.

00:41:11.420 --> 00:41:13.400
Factory in South Bend, three hours from Detroit.

00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:17.210
So you were, I thought you were going to say maybe Trump brought those jobs back or something like that.

00:41:17.219 --> 00:41:19.150
Oh, no, I think it predated.

00:41:19.469 --> 00:41:19.769
Okay.

00:41:19.780 --> 00:41:21.579
It was already happening before that.

00:41:22.139 --> 00:41:23.500
I'm sure he was happy to take credit for it.

00:41:23.500 --> 00:41:23.579
Yeah.

00:41:24.190 --> 00:41:24.619
Of course.

00:41:26.230 --> 00:41:36.250
Um, so like you're, so you start your job at least in this engineering space, uh, how long did that continue and when did capital find you or finance?

00:41:36.309 --> 00:41:39.239
Started in, yeah, I've, I've always been interested in.

00:41:39.914 --> 00:41:40.275
Stock.

00:41:40.275 --> 00:41:40.715
So, okay.

00:41:40.715 --> 00:41:51.425
So I, I took the job in South Bend and I got transferred to a small town, Logan's port, Indiana, which was not a fit for a 23 year old, uh, single guy.

00:41:52.355 --> 00:41:53.494
Where's Logan's port?

00:41:53.574 --> 00:41:53.875
Yeah.

00:41:53.875 --> 00:41:54.155
Right.

00:41:54.155 --> 00:41:54.853
Where's Logan's port?

00:41:54.853 --> 00:41:55.628
I don't know.

00:41:55.628 --> 00:41:56.844
That's what all the girls said.

00:41:56.844 --> 00:41:59.155
In the middle, middle of nowhere, Indiana.

00:41:59.565 --> 00:42:04.224
And it was a great job and I had a lot of responsibility and I was responsible for these assembly lines and blah, blah, blah.

00:42:04.525 --> 00:42:05.905
But I wanted to live in Colorado.

00:42:05.905 --> 00:42:07.945
So I moved to quit my job.

00:42:08.440 --> 00:42:10.929
And I quit my buddy's job for him, which he wasn't very happy about.

00:42:10.940 --> 00:42:14.320
And then we moved to, uh, What do you mean you told his boss that he quits?

00:42:14.360 --> 00:42:17.340
I quit and then my, I thought they were in a tough spot.

00:42:17.340 --> 00:42:20.369
So I said, you know, this, my buddy's going to quit too.

00:42:21.590 --> 00:42:25.190
But he didn't, he wasn't going to quit for another month and a half.

00:42:25.190 --> 00:42:30.869
Anyway, he's, It feels like we need to expand on that story.

00:42:30.869 --> 00:42:31.760
It was pretty uncomfortable.

00:42:33.019 --> 00:42:33.949
But I left, I don't know.

00:42:33.949 --> 00:42:36.119
I quit and I left and he just, Oh, he didn't move?

00:42:36.539 --> 00:42:45.539
He did, six weeks later, eight weeks later, but they were very uncomfortable six or eight weeks before, so maybe I should have kept my mouth shut, but I felt like it was the right thing to do.

00:42:45.750 --> 00:42:50.590
You know, it's rare that, uh, you really hurt people financially with your mouth like, like you did there.

00:42:52.235 --> 00:42:55.945
Uh, no, he kept his, no, he would've gotten a raise.

00:42:55.945 --> 00:42:57.445
They tried to keep him, they would've, they tried.

00:42:57.445 --> 00:43:01.085
Oh, see, yeah, see, you would've, yeah, if he would've just played along.

00:43:01.215 --> 00:43:01.885
Or could've.

00:43:01.934 --> 00:43:02.385
Yeah, yeah.

00:43:02.385 --> 00:43:03.655
But he wanted to move to Colorado too, so.

00:43:03.655 --> 00:43:07.494
So, like, where did this, this idea, had it been simmering for a while?

00:43:07.494 --> 00:43:11.744
Or, like, had you been out visiting a bunch of times, skiing we, I grew up, yeah, we went skiing.

00:43:11.744 --> 00:43:16.925
So, where I grew up, we had a, we had two, we had a winter break and a spring break, which drives me crazy that we don't have that here.

00:43:17.355 --> 00:43:18.545
So, you got a beach break.

00:43:18.784 --> 00:43:19.065
Right.

00:43:19.065 --> 00:43:20.255
And then you got a ski break, so.

00:43:20.255 --> 00:43:20.855
Right, right.

00:43:21.010 --> 00:43:25.500
So we would come skiing to Colorado or Utah or California every, every spring break.

00:43:26.070 --> 00:43:32.869
Yeah, so anyway, I've been to Colorado a ton of times and then we came out here a lot of summers to on a two Week road trip or whatever.

00:43:32.929 --> 00:43:33.130
Yeah.

00:43:33.130 --> 00:43:39.190
Yeah Yeah, so you were dead set on not staying in the Midwest anymore kind of basically, right?

00:43:39.619 --> 00:43:42.550
Give it a shot Colorado's as good as any Pretty close.

00:43:42.559 --> 00:43:43.349
I got mountains.

00:43:43.789 --> 00:43:44.130
Yeah.

00:43:44.150 --> 00:43:45.360
It's not as boring as Montana.

00:43:45.409 --> 00:43:46.389
Colorado's the best.

00:43:46.869 --> 00:43:48.269
I didn't consider anywhere else.

00:43:48.739 --> 00:43:48.980
Fair enough.

00:43:49.900 --> 00:43:52.610
And then, and got a job in engineering again?

00:43:52.650 --> 00:43:54.750
Yeah, up in Boulder, or Gun Barrel, I got a job.

00:43:54.780 --> 00:43:55.840
Uh, no, it was a factory.

00:43:55.840 --> 00:43:56.760
I got a factory job.

00:43:57.329 --> 00:44:00.909
Um, night, yeah, night shift.

00:44:00.909 --> 00:44:01.780
Then I got an MBA.

00:44:01.829 --> 00:44:03.460
Went to the University of Denver, got an MBA.

00:44:03.769 --> 00:44:04.849
Skied a ton.

00:44:05.050 --> 00:44:05.869
Climbed a ton.

00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:06.219
Okay.

00:44:06.219 --> 00:44:07.260
Did a bunch of 14ers.

00:44:07.539 --> 00:44:07.960
Fun.

00:44:08.099 --> 00:44:08.639
Um.

00:44:09.204 --> 00:44:09.394
Yeah.

00:44:09.394 --> 00:44:10.309
And I got my degree.

00:44:10.309 --> 00:44:13.175
Did you find your wife during this time?

00:44:13.175 --> 00:44:13.534
No.

00:44:13.545 --> 00:44:14.344
Had you already found her?

00:44:14.375 --> 00:44:14.925
Not yet.

00:44:15.025 --> 00:44:18.065
Oh, I found it very difficult to date in Denver, Hertzburg.

00:44:18.295 --> 00:44:18.664
Okay.

00:44:18.695 --> 00:44:19.175
Menver.

00:44:19.175 --> 00:44:20.121
Have you heard that term?

00:44:20.121 --> 00:44:21.608
Yeah, I have.

00:44:21.608 --> 00:44:22.105
Yeah.

00:44:22.105 --> 00:44:23.135
I found that to be true.

00:44:23.164 --> 00:44:23.215
I mean.

00:44:23.215 --> 00:44:23.664
Okay.

00:44:23.704 --> 00:44:24.554
I did some dating.

00:44:25.155 --> 00:44:29.434
Um, or I was always trying to, to date.

00:44:30.135 --> 00:44:30.284
Um.

00:44:31.275 --> 00:44:32.505
I gave my number out a lot.

00:44:33.074 --> 00:44:33.235
Yeah.

00:44:33.644 --> 00:44:34.675
And asked for a lot of numbers.

00:44:35.605 --> 00:44:36.045
I did alright.

00:44:36.094 --> 00:44:36.655
I did fine.

00:44:36.655 --> 00:44:39.344
But then, so then I moved to, uh, yeah, I was here five years.

00:44:39.385 --> 00:44:40.635
Oh, then I got my MBA.

00:44:41.639 --> 00:44:42.989
Got a job as a consultant.

00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:48.909
So, and that was, uh, at five days a week on the road, which is miserable, but not that miserable.

00:44:48.920 --> 00:44:54.579
Cause I had a job in new one project was in Newport beach or I had a hotel on the beach in Newport beach.

00:44:54.739 --> 00:44:59.519
So I got a surfboard lived in the best Western, but then flew back here every weekend.

00:45:00.250 --> 00:45:02.230
Um, and then.

00:45:03.010 --> 00:45:03.750
And I had a job in sales.

00:45:03.994 --> 00:45:07.090
Anyway, anyways, you're of following in dad's shoes, like as a consultant wise.

00:45:07.090 --> 00:45:07.150
Yeah.

00:45:07.155 --> 00:45:07.255
Sort of.

00:45:07.260 --> 00:45:07.480
Sort of.

00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:10.900
That was kind of the idea, like why were you smart enough to be a consultant?

00:45:10.900 --> 00:45:16.369
It doesn't, I had the, in, you know, I was, I was the factory guy, so I had Gotcha.

00:45:16.369 --> 00:45:24.710
I, I had the factory background plus, plus the MBA pH of finance, so you could kind of put the numbers with the efficiency and process engineering was kind of what that was.

00:45:24.860 --> 00:45:25.219
Yeah.

00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:26.271
Like you were kind of early in that.

00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:27.480
Yep.

00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:29.039
And then I had a examination.

00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:31.800
My MBAI had a finance and a it.

00:45:32.550 --> 00:45:32.789
Oh, okay.

00:45:32.789 --> 00:45:34.409
Were my minor, so I knew how to code.

00:45:34.500 --> 00:45:35.010
Yep, yep.

00:45:35.099 --> 00:45:37.079
And I knew how to code from engineering school too.

00:45:37.489 --> 00:45:39.920
So that was the, that was my, sorry.

00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:41.840
Sometimes I, my contribution pick on consultants.

00:45:41.869 --> 00:45:49.010
'cause it's like why, why they're expensive for, well yeah, they're super expensive and some of'em are like, how much do you know about what?

00:45:49.309 --> 00:45:50.539
They're like, I don't know.

00:45:50.539 --> 00:45:52.070
I know how to send you a big bill.

00:45:52.070 --> 00:45:53.869
But the giant company, they don't really care.

00:45:53.869 --> 00:45:54.920
They just want the job done.

00:45:55.219 --> 00:45:55.550
Right.

00:45:55.849 --> 00:45:56.300
Um.

00:45:57.344 --> 00:46:01.655
Anyway, yeah, so I did that, but it's super miserable lifestyle and I, yeah, that was not my scene.

00:46:02.114 --> 00:46:02.914
So I moved.

00:46:02.985 --> 00:46:03.525
Oh, what did I do?

00:46:03.525 --> 00:46:04.085
Oh, I quit.

00:46:04.114 --> 00:46:08.255
So I quit my job and I moved and I wanted to take a trip around the world.

00:46:08.474 --> 00:46:08.744
Oh.

00:46:08.965 --> 00:46:12.670
So I had, uh, Yeah.

00:46:12.699 --> 00:46:13.449
So I did six months.

00:46:13.489 --> 00:46:14.775
So that was in 2000.

00:46:14.775 --> 00:46:15.610
Okay.

00:46:15.610 --> 00:46:17.750
Well, why don't you take a little interlude here?

00:46:17.750 --> 00:46:19.840
Cause my whiskey is going to notice yours is.

00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:22.639
So why don't you tell the listeners about your trip around the world?

00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:24.469
Why step out and grab that whiskey?

00:46:24.789 --> 00:46:25.809
You're just on autopilot here.

00:46:25.809 --> 00:46:26.070
Ready?

00:46:26.159 --> 00:46:26.500
All right.

00:46:27.059 --> 00:46:28.559
Put your, put your glass on the table.

00:46:29.679 --> 00:46:30.219
There you go.

00:46:30.849 --> 00:46:31.789
So tell me about the trip.

00:46:32.170 --> 00:46:32.420
Yeah.

00:46:32.420 --> 00:46:40.420
So I, um, yeah, I quit my job in 2000 and travel around the world for six months, six and a half months.

00:46:40.809 --> 00:46:51.135
Went to, uh, When I had it kind of lined up, but then I changed my itinerary, I went to, went to India, met some friends there, went to Nepal, a buddy joined me.

00:46:51.525 --> 00:46:59.284
Or no, my buddy joined me in India, then we went to Nepal, trekked for a bunch of weeks, or months I guess, turned into months.

00:46:59.795 --> 00:47:05.875
Uh, climbed a big mountain, climbed to like a 20, 000 foot mountain, island peak, that I was super proud of up in the Himalayas.

00:47:05.875 --> 00:47:07.065
Went to Everest Base Camp.

00:47:07.594 --> 00:47:08.775
On the Nepalese side.

00:47:08.824 --> 00:47:10.635
Went to Everest Base Camp on the Tibetan side.

00:47:11.195 --> 00:47:11.454
Wow.

00:47:11.534 --> 00:47:15.675
Um, yeah, traveled through Thailand and Vietnam and Laos.

00:47:16.505 --> 00:47:17.454
Overland.

00:47:17.644 --> 00:47:19.545
Um, went to the beach.

00:47:19.914 --> 00:47:20.815
Went into China.

00:47:21.405 --> 00:47:22.534
Flew to Lhasa.

00:47:23.295 --> 00:47:29.704
Or flew to Chengdu, went to Chengdu, flew to Lhasa, took an overland, we did, we went How much of this was planned when you left?

00:47:30.445 --> 00:47:40.454
I, you know, I sent stuff ahead to Israel, Egypt, to Cairo, and Like clothing and stuff?

00:47:40.735 --> 00:47:42.614
Yeah, you know, I took a huge backpack.

00:47:42.744 --> 00:47:43.105
Okay.

00:47:43.105 --> 00:47:44.335
And it was such a hassle.

00:47:44.724 --> 00:47:50.195
Um, and I, I sent it home, and I got a little tiny backpack in Vietnam.

00:47:50.275 --> 00:47:51.655
And I just carried it around a little bit.

00:47:51.655 --> 00:47:53.295
I needed way less than I thought I needed.

00:47:53.295 --> 00:47:53.744
Yeah, yeah.

00:47:54.025 --> 00:47:55.474
And what I didn't need, I just bought.

00:47:55.565 --> 00:47:58.054
Yeah, when you're in a cold climate, I need my jacket.

00:47:58.215 --> 00:47:58.585
Right.

00:47:58.824 --> 00:47:59.204
Or whatever.

00:47:59.215 --> 00:48:06.355
Right, yeah, I guess I had, I must have had everything with me for No, but we bought a bunch of, we bought sleeping bags and a whole bunch of cheap stuff.

00:48:06.364 --> 00:48:08.724
So are you, are you a saver?

00:48:08.775 --> 00:48:21.434
Like, were you like making good money at this consulting gig and stuff and you tucked it aside or are you just kind of freaked out and like decided I'm just going to like reinvent myself here or like tell me about the circumstance a little more.

00:48:21.505 --> 00:48:21.614
Yeah.

00:48:21.614 --> 00:48:26.125
So financially I quit, I had, what did I work for?

00:48:26.164 --> 00:48:32.065
I had saved 15 grand for six and a half months or Traveling the world.

00:48:32.094 --> 00:48:32.815
I thought so, yeah.

00:48:32.815 --> 00:48:34.664
I planned to, I planned to come home with nothing, right?

00:48:34.715 --> 00:48:34.954
Right.

00:48:34.994 --> 00:48:39.135
But then that was The internet thing in 99, 2000.

00:48:39.135 --> 00:48:42.065
So I had invested or I love stocks and I love trading.

00:48:42.445 --> 00:48:48.885
Um, and I came back six and a half months later with like 50 grand when I plan to come back with nothing.

00:48:49.315 --> 00:48:51.414
So I moved to Chicago and started trading.

00:48:51.994 --> 00:48:57.344
And I thought you were the smartest trader ever because duh, look at all my investments while I've been traveling the world.

00:48:57.344 --> 00:48:57.655
Yeah.

00:48:57.655 --> 00:48:59.375
So I, so I rolled that into day trading.

00:48:59.905 --> 00:49:08.510
Um, And I made that work, or I just banged stocks, um, or banged the keyboard and made money for, I don't know, three or four years.

00:49:08.510 --> 00:49:12.940
Then I, then I found a website, but that's a tough, that's also a tough way to make a living.

00:49:13.110 --> 00:49:13.780
It really is.

00:49:13.789 --> 00:49:14.820
You're stuck behind the screen.

00:49:14.900 --> 00:49:15.190
Totally.

00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:17.860
It's difficult and, but I did okay, right?

00:49:17.860 --> 00:49:18.900
I, I made it work.

00:49:18.920 --> 00:49:26.389
You got your capital built up to enough where you could actually make something off of the different calls and different things that you can do with a little bit of wealth.

00:49:26.855 --> 00:49:27.755
Right, right, right.

00:49:27.784 --> 00:49:32.304
Because you can make money just by having money to some extent if you're not just gambling all the time, all the time.

00:49:32.565 --> 00:49:33.425
True, true.

00:49:33.824 --> 00:49:36.155
And then, uh But mostly I was gambling all the time, all the time.

00:49:36.155 --> 00:49:38.375
I guess I can't, but I don't know.

00:49:38.375 --> 00:49:39.585
Yeah, I don't think it's gambling.

00:49:39.664 --> 00:49:44.585
If you're day trading and you know what you're doing, you can keep it low risk, right?

00:49:44.585 --> 00:49:45.605
Or you can just get out.

00:49:45.625 --> 00:49:51.824
You make a Keep a real tight stop and let your, let your cut your loser short, let your winners run and Okay.

00:49:52.155 --> 00:49:54.434
And, uh, don't, is there anything that people could learn?

00:49:54.434 --> 00:49:58.485
The average person or should, most people just should never think about day trading anyway.

00:49:59.894 --> 00:50:01.514
Um, I think it's way harder than it was.

00:50:01.514 --> 00:50:02.534
I mean, right.

00:50:03.034 --> 00:50:06.125
Um, they have computers that thousand 2001.

00:50:06.125 --> 00:50:06.695
2002.

00:50:06.695 --> 00:50:07.085
Right, right.

00:50:07.474 --> 00:50:08.014
It was, yeah.

00:50:08.014 --> 00:50:12.155
It was smart to take out a credit card at 13% and then invest that at, in the market.

00:50:13.085 --> 00:50:14.844
Yeah, for that little period of time.

00:50:14.844 --> 00:50:15.144
Don't do that.

00:50:15.894 --> 00:50:16.594
No, no, exactly.

00:50:16.755 --> 00:50:17.344
Don't do that.

00:50:17.635 --> 00:50:20.244
But I mean, theoretically, that was a smart thing to do.

00:50:20.994 --> 00:50:21.405
Yeah, yeah.

00:50:21.445 --> 00:50:26.126
Like borrow 10 percent money and invest it at 19 percent because the stock market did go somewhere in that range.

00:50:26.126 --> 00:50:29.184
Yeah, and hopefully if you're trading, if you're trading, you're doing hundreds of percent on your capital, right?

00:50:29.184 --> 00:50:29.804
Right, right.

00:50:30.215 --> 00:50:31.465
Hopefully, or if you're any good.

00:50:32.034 --> 00:50:33.625
Um, even if you're mediocre, right?

00:50:33.965 --> 00:50:39.405
Um, so anyway, so there were a ton of day, ton, ton of day trading shops and uh, Yeah.

00:50:40.264 --> 00:50:45.114
So I was sitting next to a guy so that, you know, there's like, I don't know, 50 or a hundred guys in a room all trading.

00:50:45.114 --> 00:50:45.744
So I'm sitting next to a guy.

00:50:45.744 --> 00:50:46.295
Oh, really?

00:50:46.385 --> 00:50:46.755
Yeah.

00:50:46.844 --> 00:50:47.355
Interesting.

00:50:47.364 --> 00:50:48.175
In downtown Chicago.

00:50:48.215 --> 00:50:49.045
So you'd like to take the train.

00:50:49.045 --> 00:50:50.594
Are you paying a desk fee or something?

00:50:50.594 --> 00:50:54.394
Or like, like how do you get, they're paying you to be there, you pay?

00:50:54.474 --> 00:51:01.125
So I just, you put up your own capital and you trade and they make commissions and margin, margin and all sorts of little, all sorts of little fees.

00:51:01.125 --> 00:51:03.184
Almost like a co working space for day traders.

00:51:03.244 --> 00:51:03.505
Right.

00:51:03.775 --> 00:51:03.985
Right.

00:51:04.434 --> 00:51:04.644
Yeah.

00:51:04.875 --> 00:51:06.394
I didn't know those things existed.

00:51:06.405 --> 00:51:06.625
Yeah.

00:51:06.625 --> 00:51:06.974
And you're up.

00:51:06.985 --> 00:51:09.094
And it's because all these people lined up behind the screens.

00:51:09.309 --> 00:51:13.869
Yeah, you're up on the 50th floor of some office building downtown Interesting.

00:51:14.139 --> 00:51:14.320
Yeah.

00:51:14.320 --> 00:51:14.650
Okay.

00:51:14.829 --> 00:51:15.340
Yeah, it was cool.

00:51:15.340 --> 00:51:15.820
It was fun.

00:51:15.909 --> 00:51:16.480
Yeah, sure.

00:51:16.539 --> 00:51:17.619
Oh, I really enjoyed, learned a lot.

00:51:17.769 --> 00:51:18.250
Yeah.

00:51:18.250 --> 00:51:18.251
Yeah.

00:51:18.719 --> 00:51:31.019
But I, so I was sitting next to a guy, um, and he had a, he had a website up that had a bunch of traders that would take your capital and they traded for you, which seemed like a lot better, um, use of my time.

00:51:31.019 --> 00:51:31.230
Right.

00:51:31.230 --> 00:51:33.449
Or if, if somebody else can trade it, trade for me.

00:51:33.449 --> 00:51:37.440
I put, given their, my capital, but I didn't have enough of my own to make it.

00:51:37.789 --> 00:51:38.869
To live off of.

00:51:39.780 --> 00:51:42.389
So I started raising capital for these other traders.

00:51:42.389 --> 00:51:42.690
Right.

00:51:42.750 --> 00:51:44.070
So you could raise capital.

00:51:44.099 --> 00:51:47.244
They trade, they pay you a piece of their Oh, right.

00:51:47.244 --> 00:51:47.900
Of their fees.

00:51:47.900 --> 00:51:48.949
You, for raising the capital.

00:51:48.949 --> 00:51:50.045
You get paid some of the fees, right?

00:51:50.045 --> 00:51:50.166
Yeah, yeah.

00:51:50.170 --> 00:51:51.800
Because they're just looking for more capital to trade.

00:51:51.829 --> 00:51:54.570
'cause that's what increases their turn, their revenues.

00:51:54.570 --> 00:51:55.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:51:55.679 --> 00:51:58.530
Um, so you do that and you, I would get a piece of that.

00:51:58.530 --> 00:52:00.570
So that's what I did for a bunch of years.

00:52:00.570 --> 00:52:04.440
And then current and then, and that was in those, those were futures traders.

00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:06.110
Um, and then.

00:52:06.795 --> 00:52:07.094
Current.

00:52:07.125 --> 00:52:08.565
They, they made a big Forex.

00:52:08.684 --> 00:52:11.565
Uh, the farm bill or something changed the, the Forex.

00:52:11.565 --> 00:52:14.494
So for cash, Forex was legal.

00:52:14.494 --> 00:52:15.929
And that was kind of like the one foreign exchange Trading.

00:52:15.929 --> 00:52:17.105
Foreign exchange trading, sorry, yeah.

00:52:17.105 --> 00:52:17.914
Foreign exchange.

00:52:18.385 --> 00:52:22.195
Um, and that became legal and then there were all sorts of ways to make money in that.

00:52:22.195 --> 00:52:23.454
So I did that for a long time.

00:52:24.094 --> 00:52:27.110
Um, oh, so it was like commodities and.

00:52:29.445 --> 00:52:30.224
Yeah, exactly.

00:52:30.224 --> 00:52:32.144
So you weren't actually trading those things.

00:52:32.144 --> 00:52:35.094
You were sourcing capital for people that were good at trading those things.

00:52:35.105 --> 00:52:35.704
Exactly.

00:52:35.704 --> 00:52:38.394
So, and it's called a CTA, a Commodity Trading Advisor.

00:52:38.394 --> 00:52:41.844
So you, you give the login to your account to, to somebody else.

00:52:41.844 --> 00:52:42.635
They trade it for you.

00:52:42.635 --> 00:52:43.744
They make money or lose money.

00:52:44.135 --> 00:52:44.355
Wow.

00:52:44.355 --> 00:52:44.554
Yeah.

00:52:44.719 --> 00:52:49.780
Yeah, and then I get paid on commissions and percentage of profits and a management fee.

00:52:49.789 --> 00:52:50.369
Right, right.

00:52:50.380 --> 00:52:52.980
Depending on any combination thereof of those.

00:52:53.050 --> 00:52:56.659
And then your clients just get some kind of a net yield almost?

00:52:56.670 --> 00:52:57.300
Correct.

00:52:57.550 --> 00:52:58.309
Yeah, interesting.

00:52:58.780 --> 00:53:04.150
And your clients are basically the people with quite a bit of money that can come and bring it into the fray.

00:53:04.539 --> 00:53:06.130
Yeah, Interesting.

00:53:06.460 --> 00:53:06.880
Exactly.

00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:07.780
Really neat people.

00:53:07.780 --> 00:53:09.070
I dunno, I had some pretty neat clients.

00:53:09.070 --> 00:53:09.699
I'm sure.

00:53:09.849 --> 00:53:10.389
I'm sure.

00:53:10.570 --> 00:53:14.840
I had a cli, I had Sylvi Tab was a client that was a movie producer.

00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:17.719
He made a, he made Beast masters and he made, uh.

00:53:19.195 --> 00:53:19.795
Dancing.

00:53:19.875 --> 00:53:26.164
Uh, anyway, it was really, he had like a hundred foot yacht with a five man crew that he would complain about having to deal with his crew.

00:53:28.005 --> 00:53:29.675
What an interesting lifestyle.

00:53:30.855 --> 00:53:32.755
Well, that's what somebody told me the other day.

00:53:32.755 --> 00:53:40.815
They were like, you know, like the really wealthy people that, that have family offices and different things like that.

00:53:40.815 --> 00:53:47.574
They don't really invest in real estate that much because that's not sexy enough and doesn't offer enough return.

00:53:47.585 --> 00:53:48.695
Like they're buying.

00:53:48.760 --> 00:53:56.389
Uh, middle market businesses, they're buying, you know, different kinds of alternative assets doing these kind of things.

00:53:56.389 --> 00:53:56.760
Yeah.

00:53:57.250 --> 00:54:00.050
And you know, a whole different kind of investing world.

00:54:00.050 --> 00:54:04.039
I, I just locked in for a 91 day CD at first bank at 4.

00:54:04.039 --> 00:54:05.920
75 and that seemed pretty good.

00:54:05.949 --> 00:54:06.760
Nice work.

00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:10.400
I made 1, 600 on my last one.

00:54:12.074 --> 00:54:12.324
Boom.

00:54:12.994 --> 00:54:14.784
For not working very hard and you've made that money.

00:54:14.784 --> 00:54:23.675
Well it's, I mean, honestly, this is going to sound a little bit terrible, but it's one of the first times in my life I've actually made a noticeable interest income.

00:54:24.425 --> 00:54:32.855
You know, I've never, and I've, I was a 50, 000 CD for six months, you know, for a local, but next time it'll be a 51, 000 CD.

00:54:32.905 --> 00:54:42.414
Well I hope it's 80, you know, I mean, that's the goal, but it's pretty nice to have dollars that don't need to be spun up out of.

00:54:42.735 --> 00:54:43.764
Commerce, sometimes.

00:54:44.735 --> 00:54:45.054
Right on.

00:54:45.135 --> 00:54:46.045
And it's an interesting thing.

00:54:46.045 --> 00:54:46.375
Absolutely.

00:54:46.375 --> 00:54:56.514
That's actually something, an interesting thing about even the environment now, and people should probably consider being more savers, those that can, right?

00:54:56.514 --> 00:55:03.525
Because that helps the banks have more juice to do more things, and it actually does give them a decent return.

00:55:04.445 --> 00:55:04.735
Yeah.

00:55:05.190 --> 00:55:15.099
In some ways, you know, everybody's been so focused on investing in real estate or the stock market or whatever, but just regular old savings at a decent rate of return.

00:55:15.110 --> 00:55:21.900
That's kind of one of the benefits of having a higher interest rate environment in the last six, 12 months.

00:55:21.989 --> 00:55:31.460
Like it definitely has a breaks on things, but it's for those that have capital patient capital, it's actually kind of nice to just have interest earnings like significant 5%.

00:55:31.460 --> 00:55:32.340
That's a lot, right?

00:55:32.369 --> 00:55:32.780
Right.

00:55:33.050 --> 00:55:33.730
Oh yeah.

00:55:33.840 --> 00:55:33.949
Yeah.

00:55:34.030 --> 00:55:34.289
Yeah.

00:55:35.184 --> 00:55:36.614
So, anyway, I digress.

00:55:37.005 --> 00:55:45.724
So, so you're doing this kind of stuff and then kind of we just roll up to Dad's deck a solar panel on a pole and wants to build a website.

00:55:46.135 --> 00:55:56.894
Oh, yeah, right Is that kind of like how that played out like you know, I fit no way to wait I traveled around the world went to Chicago moved to Chicago traded raised capital for other traders.

00:55:56.974 --> 00:55:57.184
Yeah.

00:55:57.184 --> 00:55:57.445
Yeah.

00:55:57.514 --> 00:56:02.400
Yeah Okay, then I moved Back here and I moved back.

00:56:02.409 --> 00:56:02.730
Yeah.

00:56:02.789 --> 00:56:03.980
No, then I moved back here.

00:56:04.030 --> 00:56:06.309
No, then I got my wife in Chicago.

00:56:06.309 --> 00:56:06.670
Okay.

00:56:06.769 --> 00:56:07.829
Yeah What's her name?

00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:09.769
Um, we'll talk later.

00:56:09.820 --> 00:56:13.260
Okay, so yeah, hi Lisa Yeah, she's great.

00:56:13.710 --> 00:56:16.179
The how did you I had a fun you meet?

00:56:18.429 --> 00:56:19.719
Out the old fashioned way.

00:56:19.719 --> 00:56:20.885
I'm friends Okay.

00:56:20.885 --> 00:56:24.784
I don't a restaurant bar, kind of a or group of friends, my group of friends.

00:56:25.784 --> 00:56:31.275
Um, you started to sell another story, but I had an interesting business in, uh, so I had a sailboat in Chicago.

00:56:31.275 --> 00:56:32.385
I had a nice Okay.

00:56:32.414 --> 00:56:38.804
Or a decent sail that I, you know, I had a, you were day trading and somebody owed you and you got a sailboat out of the deal.

00:56:38.804 --> 00:56:41.054
Some, oh, I had a, I had a partner on a trade.

00:56:41.054 --> 00:56:42.434
You could do an automated trade.

00:56:43.065 --> 00:56:44.385
And we had an idea together.

00:56:44.385 --> 00:56:46.474
We had somebody do it for us and we made a good amount of money.

00:56:46.474 --> 00:56:51.844
So I bought a sailboat, um, that I kept downtown Chicago that he could walk to from the trading floor.

00:56:51.844 --> 00:56:55.344
So from, for lunch and after work or whatever, I'd go, go sailing.

00:56:55.344 --> 00:56:56.125
It was right downtown.

00:56:56.505 --> 00:56:57.764
I put up a website called.

00:56:58.809 --> 00:57:01.079
And I was single at the time, sailingbachelorettes.

00:57:01.079 --> 00:57:04.300
com, so I would do, so I would do bachelorette parties.

00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:04.980
Oh no.

00:57:05.010 --> 00:57:14.380
On, yeah, so the girls, the girls would come, the girls would come on, the girls would come on my boat, in their uh, Pay you a bunch of money.

00:57:14.389 --> 00:57:20.789
Bikinis, they'd bring the alcohol, bring the food, I'd bring a first mate, you know, they would see to their comfort and safety and serve them drinks.

00:57:20.940 --> 00:57:22.760
And be very attractive men too.

00:57:22.969 --> 00:57:23.269
You look at?

00:57:23.269 --> 00:57:23.449
Yeah.

00:57:23.869 --> 00:57:27.335
Didn't have any, I didn't have any shortage of guys that wanted to, to work for me.

00:57:27.335 --> 00:57:29.269
Sign up, do first to work for me, I'm sure.

00:57:29.809 --> 00:57:31.400
And how much did you make on these trips?

00:57:31.809 --> 00:57:40.500
I, you know what, so I started at 75 an hour and I didn't close that many deals, so I jumped it to 1 25 an hour and I closed all sorts of deals.

00:57:40.500 --> 00:57:40.889
Right.

00:57:41.400 --> 00:57:43.199
Um, yeah, 125 bucks an hour.

00:57:43.199 --> 00:57:47.070
So some girls, yeah, you were sleazy at 75 an hour, but at a buck 25 you were respectable.

00:57:47.070 --> 00:57:47.340
Kind of.

00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:47.940
Yeah.

00:57:48.030 --> 00:57:52.079
So interesting, an interesting observation that sometimes interesting market price is too low.

00:57:52.635 --> 00:57:54.074
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:57:54.094 --> 00:57:56.045
I mean, I would have done it for free, right?

00:57:56.045 --> 00:57:56.394
Right.

00:57:56.485 --> 00:57:57.704
You can't do that, obviously.

00:57:58.375 --> 00:58:01.505
Um, yeah, so You could, but it'd be pretty pervy.

00:58:01.505 --> 00:58:03.864
It would get zero, zero takers, right?

00:58:04.914 --> 00:58:06.144
Anyway, it was super fun.

00:58:06.224 --> 00:58:09.875
Um, but then I met Lisa and that sort of tailed off.

00:58:12.545 --> 00:58:15.505
You didn't, uh, let your other buddies take it out and stuff.

00:58:15.965 --> 00:58:17.255
Oh yeah.

00:58:17.255 --> 00:58:20.744
I had other friends who still try it, but they, I don't know.

00:58:20.795 --> 00:58:21.135
Yeah.

00:58:21.164 --> 00:58:21.485
Whatever.

00:58:21.485 --> 00:58:22.744
They just weren't as slick as you were.

00:58:22.764 --> 00:58:24.454
I thought about franchising it.

00:58:24.804 --> 00:58:28.045
I mean, it's Lisa wasn't one of the, uh, she wasn't a bachelorette.

00:58:28.074 --> 00:58:34.170
That is actually a very, I don't know if it's franchisable, but It seems like it would be, right?

00:58:34.179 --> 00:58:40.329
Like everybody with a boat in a Tampa, Miami, Massachusetts.

00:58:40.329 --> 00:58:41.929
Like, yeah, it should be everywhere.

00:58:41.929 --> 00:58:53.394
San Diego, like Anyway, I didn't Didn't really, uh, well, maybe there'll be the next chapter of custom Marine products, custom Marine services instead, baby.

00:58:56.275 --> 00:59:01.204
Anyway, so you're like, what, what brought you back?

00:59:01.275 --> 00:59:02.465
Like, Oh yeah.

00:59:02.534 --> 00:59:11.085
Oh, so we, uh, what do we had a few, we lived in Lincoln park right downtown or not down to, we had like five bars and restaurants from, uh, yeah, I do.

00:59:11.085 --> 00:59:11.445
Absolutely.

00:59:11.445 --> 00:59:11.804
I do.

00:59:12.114 --> 00:59:13.344
I miss the sharp people.

00:59:13.344 --> 00:59:16.474
The, the quick, uh, it happened in Denver too.

00:59:16.474 --> 00:59:22.329
When I was living in Denver, the, uh, Yeah, there's so much action you get just very socially sharp, right?

00:59:22.329 --> 00:59:22.610
Yeah.

00:59:22.610 --> 00:59:28.130
Yeah, and if so much goes a lot more laid back here Yeah, Colorado for sure.

00:59:28.210 --> 00:59:29.780
Yeah, do you think they're smarter?

00:59:29.969 --> 00:59:39.920
I think so, or you're just more on you just you're using your brain more if they try harder There's more social, way more socializing and more, uh, quick, big deals.

00:59:39.920 --> 00:59:53.199
I mean, there's, there's like the guy that lived across, like, I'm like, I'm in my, like we just said, we were one of a six flat, but the guy in my alley, I just walk out in the alley and go for a walk or I put out the trash and go for a walk with the guy across the ways smoking a cigar.

00:59:53.199 --> 00:59:53.980
So I chat with him.

00:59:54.019 --> 00:59:55.949
He owns a jet leasing company, right?

00:59:55.989 --> 01:00:01.059
Or he owns all the jets in a jet leasing company making like, I don't know, tens of millions of dollars a year.

01:00:01.059 --> 01:00:01.269
Right.

01:00:01.269 --> 01:00:02.699
Like that's just the guys that you're around.

01:00:02.699 --> 01:00:03.329
And that's just a.

01:00:04.065 --> 01:00:08.525
One, and then there's huge traders, and yeah, it's just a Yeah, it's such an interesting dichotomy.

01:00:08.574 --> 01:00:14.425
A mix of people that are all right there in the city, like, all moving around, doing stuff, so Yeah, yeah.

01:00:14.425 --> 01:00:20.735
More action, more I don't know that they're probably not smarter, but more You just gotta be Yeah, I don't know.

01:00:21.034 --> 01:00:37.079
I mean, my, my, my dad was Scratching 800 acres of farmland, you know, dry land, dirt farming at that time, about the same time as you're doing some of these adventures and he was on his way to becoming a big farmer for our region.

01:00:37.300 --> 01:00:37.699
Awesome.

01:00:38.099 --> 01:00:39.780
And he's as smart as anybody, just about.

01:00:40.010 --> 01:00:40.250
Yeah.

01:00:40.280 --> 01:00:41.590
Like, at his craft.

01:00:41.909 --> 01:00:42.239
Right on.

01:00:42.300 --> 01:00:55.539
And the, uh, The pace of change in Jamestown, North Dakota is, you know, one fifth the pace of change in Fort Collins, which is one fifth probably the pace of change in Chicago.

01:00:56.260 --> 01:00:56.639
Right on.

01:00:56.650 --> 01:01:02.059
Right, like it's just a different, I don't know, funny how Which is one fifth the pace of change probably in San Francisco, right?

01:01:02.059 --> 01:01:13.445
Right, or some of these other places, like some places change really fast, you know, what are they, what's that quote, uh, it's like bankruptcy, it happened Really slowly and then all at once.

01:01:13.525 --> 01:01:14.965
Oh, right, right, right, right, right.

01:01:15.175 --> 01:01:16.954
Like sometimes things change really fast.

01:01:17.054 --> 01:01:17.434
Yeah, yeah.

01:01:17.445 --> 01:01:19.434
Like Detroit had changed really fast.

01:01:19.445 --> 01:01:23.844
You know, it's very a leveraged city almost you would say with that auto industry.

01:01:24.364 --> 01:01:27.394
Like it's either good times or it's bad times and it's easy to tell the difference.

01:01:27.724 --> 01:01:33.534
Yeah, San Francisco is kind of in a weird place right now, maybe, but maybe not.

01:01:33.764 --> 01:01:39.625
But they have all the Google and the Apple and so much money flowing in, so much activity and venture.

01:01:39.695 --> 01:01:42.684
Yeah, if Apple and Google continue to become the owners of the world.

01:01:43.460 --> 01:01:45.809
People that is a good place to be.

01:01:46.090 --> 01:01:51.079
Yeah, anyway Okay, so back to the original question.

01:01:51.079 --> 01:01:53.590
You're like living life in Chicagoland.

01:01:53.599 --> 01:01:53.900
What?

01:01:54.070 --> 01:01:54.650
Oh, yeah.

01:01:54.650 --> 01:01:54.730
Yeah.

01:01:54.730 --> 01:02:14.005
Okay, so we have yeah So did my bachelor party met my met my girl I'm there for about 15 years and we had two baby Well, so we're living in the second floor of a six flat, you know in a high end part of town right in Lincoln Park but just a small place and and I Yeah, it's just a hassle with two kids, right?

01:02:14.005 --> 01:02:18.394
And we have a third coming, so we could either move to the North shore or whatever.

01:02:18.394 --> 01:02:19.375
We can move to any suburb.

01:02:19.385 --> 01:02:22.724
I guess we could have, that just sounded really miserable to me.

01:02:22.724 --> 01:02:31.554
So, and, and we'd come out here to go to do whatever ski trips or, um, uh, hot touch and camping and hiking trips with friends.

01:02:31.565 --> 01:02:31.945
Sure.

01:02:32.065 --> 01:02:33.135
Like, why don't we just live here?

01:02:33.155 --> 01:02:34.335
And I wanted to move back here.

01:02:34.335 --> 01:02:35.925
I, I've always loved Colorado.

01:02:35.925 --> 01:02:36.235
So.

01:02:36.824 --> 01:02:37.284
So we did.

01:02:37.824 --> 01:02:39.715
Was that And we moved to Boulder first.

01:02:39.744 --> 01:02:40.295
Oh yeah, go ahead.

01:02:40.295 --> 01:02:43.965
Did you stick around in the You stayed in the capital industry for quite a while then?

01:02:43.974 --> 01:02:44.005
Yeah, yeah.

01:02:44.005 --> 01:02:44.855
When was this?

01:02:44.855 --> 01:02:45.704
Circle me a little bit.

01:02:46.135 --> 01:02:52.235
Uh, 2015, I think we moved, we moved to Boulder, like four other families moved to Boulder at the same time.

01:02:52.304 --> 01:02:52.775
Oh, really?

01:02:52.795 --> 01:02:53.164
People you knew?

01:02:53.164 --> 01:02:53.905
Our buddies, yeah.

01:02:53.905 --> 01:02:57.304
We had, we had to go, we belonged to the Chicago Yacht Club, right?

01:02:57.304 --> 01:02:59.394
Which was, which was another story.

01:02:59.644 --> 01:03:07.025
We were able to join because the disparity in our, my wife's, they, they tiered it, they tiered the cost by age, right?

01:03:07.025 --> 01:03:11.025
So if you're a 25 year old, you pay a lot less than a 40 year old, right?

01:03:11.025 --> 01:03:11.905
So my wife was.

01:03:12.494 --> 01:03:18.545
Well, we got married, she was 28 maybe, and I was 40, so we paid, so she became the primary member.

01:03:18.875 --> 01:03:23.635
So we were, anyway, it was much cheaper if she was the front, which, which I couldn't be on any committees or do anything.

01:03:23.644 --> 01:03:24.135
Right, right.

01:03:24.164 --> 01:03:25.054
But whatever, it didn't matter.

01:03:25.945 --> 01:03:26.465
12 years, huh?

01:03:26.465 --> 01:03:27.184
In the harbor.

01:03:27.255 --> 01:03:27.494
Yeah.

01:03:27.934 --> 01:03:29.175
I'm six years older than Jill.

01:03:29.315 --> 01:03:29.715
Oh, nice.

01:03:29.824 --> 01:03:30.195
Okay.

01:03:30.344 --> 01:03:30.644
There you go.

01:03:30.644 --> 01:03:31.724
I think it's kind of a mark of honor.

01:03:32.744 --> 01:03:33.094
Great.

01:03:33.264 --> 01:03:33.875
Yeah, it works.

01:03:34.934 --> 01:03:47.864
So it's, it's beautiful, like beautiful yacht club right downtown or right where my, so we'd pick up, I'd pick up the bachelor parties at the club and my friends and buddies and everybody else and then go out, but anyway, my, the whole point.

01:03:47.934 --> 01:03:51.864
Oh, so you were using your membership of the yacht club to really advance your business interests too.

01:03:51.875 --> 01:03:52.394
That's right.

01:03:52.445 --> 01:03:52.824
That's right.

01:03:54.054 --> 01:03:58.184
And for, I don't know, anyway, it was a really cool club and super, super awesome.

01:03:58.534 --> 01:04:00.764
Um, and was she excited about this move?

01:04:01.275 --> 01:04:05.105
Or she's just like, I don't know, dude, I got the whole point of the eclipse.

01:04:05.144 --> 01:04:16.605
How I tried to slip the club story in there was we had a going away party at the club and all these families that moved to Bowler attended our going away party and then six months later, everybody's in Bowler together.

01:04:16.605 --> 01:04:16.844
Right?

01:04:17.034 --> 01:04:17.375
Not here.

01:04:17.405 --> 01:04:28.715
I mean, we had a lot more than just these four family party, but, uh, um, well you started a trend and then they started a trend, something, someone already, how did you find a way up here then?

01:04:28.885 --> 01:04:29.255
Yes.

01:04:29.284 --> 01:04:29.625
What do we have?

01:04:29.804 --> 01:04:30.625
I have a good friend.

01:04:31.135 --> 01:04:32.284
That's the one I did around the world.

01:04:32.284 --> 01:04:39.144
If I met the couple in India and then I met him again and they were doing a two year on the world trip on bikes.

01:04:39.144 --> 01:04:40.204
And I met up with them a couple of times.

01:04:40.215 --> 01:04:41.784
Anyway, they just talked me into four counts.

01:04:42.355 --> 01:04:48.065
Um, and then we were doing the financial Independent the fine, the fire movement, the.

01:04:48.474 --> 01:04:50.364
Financial independence, retire early.

01:04:50.485 --> 01:04:50.925
Oh yeah.

01:04:50.934 --> 01:04:52.755
And it seemed like it'd be a lot easier to do that up here.

01:04:52.755 --> 01:04:53.034
Yeah.

01:04:53.034 --> 01:04:55.375
A little fresher marketplace for that conversation.

01:04:55.405 --> 01:04:55.635
Yeah.

01:04:55.635 --> 01:05:00.474
And then we could also afford a single family home within what we want to recreate our Chicago experience.

01:05:00.474 --> 01:05:00.675
Right.

01:05:00.675 --> 01:05:04.375
So we could afford a single family home, uh, within walking distance to old town.

01:05:04.385 --> 01:05:06.425
Where you can go see bands and stuff, whatever.

01:05:06.474 --> 01:05:06.945
Yeah.

01:05:07.264 --> 01:05:08.054
Yeah, exactly.

01:05:08.335 --> 01:05:09.994
I'll just walk into for a coffee or.

01:05:10.195 --> 01:05:13.454
But with the capital you'd already had just about, or mostly.

01:05:13.625 --> 01:05:22.255
You could, like, what you took from Chicago, you could live well, or even from Boulder, you could live well and be more financially free here in Fort Collins.

01:05:22.295 --> 01:05:22.585
Correct.

01:05:22.664 --> 01:05:23.184
At that time.

01:05:23.304 --> 01:05:23.545
Yep.

01:05:23.635 --> 01:05:24.034
That's right.

01:05:24.144 --> 01:05:24.554
That's right.

01:05:25.255 --> 01:05:26.065
Yeah, what was it?

01:05:26.094 --> 01:05:27.625
Oh, and we also like the river.

01:05:27.969 --> 01:05:28.809
And the lake here.

01:05:28.809 --> 01:05:31.179
That wasn't in Boulder.

01:05:31.300 --> 01:05:31.530
Yeah.

01:05:31.530 --> 01:05:32.710
I would love to move back to Boulder.

01:05:32.769 --> 01:05:33.159
Really?

01:05:33.449 --> 01:05:44.690
Yeah, no, I thought I would get into rafting and fishing up here and boating, but no, I love hiking and climbing and mountaineering, which is much more Boulder y and the Venture Capital is a lot bigger scene in Boulder.

01:05:44.739 --> 01:05:45.309
Right.

01:05:46.264 --> 01:05:50.434
When you've been part of the Boulder Angels and, or the Denver Angels and stuff like that.

01:05:50.614 --> 01:05:54.135
So you like that kind of game playing and stuff.

01:05:54.324 --> 01:05:54.715
Yeah, yeah.

01:05:54.715 --> 01:05:55.554
Yeah, yeah.

01:05:55.965 --> 01:05:56.715
So why not?

01:05:57.335 --> 01:05:57.625
Why not what?

01:05:57.775 --> 01:05:58.905
Like, move back to Boulder.

01:05:58.994 --> 01:06:00.474
Oh, geez.

01:06:01.385 --> 01:06:02.375
Kid, I don't know.

01:06:02.414 --> 01:06:04.275
Can I pull my, can I really pull my kids out?

01:06:04.605 --> 01:06:07.074
What, second, third, fifth, and seventh grade?

01:06:07.074 --> 01:06:07.394
Can I?

01:06:07.454 --> 01:06:07.724
I don't know.

01:06:08.619 --> 01:06:10.710
I mean, you own them, they don't own you.

01:06:10.710 --> 01:06:19.039
I think that's part of the problem with the world these days, is like, people are owned by their children, not, like, you don't really own them, but, and you are there to serve them.

01:06:19.300 --> 01:06:23.610
You know, I'm all about serving leadership, but, I mean, and I'm not trying to lose you, because I'd rather keep you here.

01:06:23.610 --> 01:06:27.760
I personally think Fort Collins is way more fun, but, I get it.

01:06:28.039 --> 01:06:28.420
Um.

01:06:28.429 --> 01:06:29.019
Yeah, yeah.

01:06:30.670 --> 01:06:32.099
Yeah, no, we're looking, I don't know.

01:06:32.110 --> 01:06:33.239
We look at real estate down there.

01:06:33.269 --> 01:06:33.559
Really?

01:06:33.619 --> 01:06:34.369
I might go.

01:06:34.619 --> 01:06:35.599
Well, I hope we don't lose you.

01:06:36.300 --> 01:06:37.670
Uh, but thank you.

01:06:37.739 --> 01:06:41.539
You know, it's a, like everything is a choice, right?

01:06:41.590 --> 01:06:42.570
Like, what do you want to do?

01:06:43.039 --> 01:06:43.730
You can do anything.

01:06:44.300 --> 01:06:45.130
What do you want to do?

01:06:45.409 --> 01:06:46.250
Can you run?

01:06:46.369 --> 01:06:46.570
Yeah.

01:06:46.570 --> 01:06:47.989
One of my, who was I can play.

01:06:48.300 --> 01:06:49.349
So I teach, Oh, listen to this.

01:06:49.349 --> 01:06:50.829
I teach improv down in Boulder.

01:06:50.949 --> 01:06:52.699
I spent a ton of time down there.

01:06:52.699 --> 01:06:52.940
Yeah.

01:06:53.409 --> 01:06:57.960
And I took, I took improv in Chicago for a year at second city.

01:06:57.960 --> 01:06:59.219
Like where all the big guys come.

01:06:59.219 --> 01:07:05.514
We're Dan Aykroyd and Chris Farley and all, Tina Fey, all the, they all come out of Chicago, right?

01:07:05.514 --> 01:07:08.675
So, um, So anyway, I train, you know, whatever.

01:07:08.704 --> 01:07:09.934
Do you want to do some improv right now?

01:07:10.244 --> 01:07:11.831
I mean, that's what we're doing right now, aren't we doing improv?

01:07:11.831 --> 01:07:15.474
Well, kind of, this is improv, but isn't there some, like, rules around improv, really?

01:07:15.474 --> 01:07:18.175
Yes, yes, and, well, we would play games, we would play improv games.

01:07:18.204 --> 01:07:20.335
So, you know what happened when I was home for lunch?

01:07:21.190 --> 01:07:22.539
I took the biggest poop.

01:07:24.510 --> 01:07:25.099
Yes, and?

01:07:25.269 --> 01:07:25.750
Yes.

01:07:26.610 --> 01:07:27.250
So interesting.

01:07:28.579 --> 01:07:30.619
Tell me more about that.

01:07:30.619 --> 01:07:31.250
No, we keep it.

01:07:31.250 --> 01:07:32.139
I don't really know how to do it.

01:07:32.139 --> 01:07:32.940
You're the teacher.

01:07:32.969 --> 01:07:34.920
We keep it out of the bathroom and out of the bedrooms.

01:07:34.920 --> 01:07:35.619
Oh, okay.

01:07:35.699 --> 01:07:36.119
Alright.

01:07:36.619 --> 01:07:42.340
Um, so, you know, I started making a list of reasons to vote for Kamala Harris.

01:07:49.030 --> 01:07:49.800
That's what she said.

01:07:51.599 --> 01:07:53.579
That's the bedroom.

01:07:54.010 --> 01:07:54.599
Oh shit.

01:07:54.719 --> 01:07:55.119
Damn it.

01:07:55.179 --> 01:07:55.809
I'm sorry.

01:07:55.809 --> 01:07:59.480
I try to keep it out of politics.

01:08:01.980 --> 01:08:05.039
Anyway, the bourbon is kicking in a little bit and it's fun.

01:08:07.409 --> 01:08:08.920
So anyway, so I took Second City.

01:08:08.920 --> 01:08:10.539
I took ImprovOlympic.

01:08:10.914 --> 01:08:16.255
I took a year of Second City and we would just go in and laugh for like three hours straight for once a week, right?

01:08:16.324 --> 01:08:24.914
Yeah, super fun So I got trained nicely there and then I have a good buddy I have a bunch of good buddies in Boulder, but one buddy in particular takes improv.

01:08:24.914 --> 01:08:28.784
So I took improv classes with him Over the years.

01:08:28.795 --> 01:08:29.984
Why do I not know this?

01:08:30.225 --> 01:08:31.034
Yeah, I don't know.

01:08:31.064 --> 01:08:33.795
So, okay, so then We took a class with a different teacher.

01:08:33.795 --> 01:08:35.414
You're humble, that's why, mostly.

01:08:35.475 --> 01:08:36.784
We thought, okay, maybe.

01:08:36.795 --> 01:08:37.215
I don't think so.

01:08:37.404 --> 01:08:40.935
So then we, um, the class wasn't fun.

01:08:41.864 --> 01:08:48.944
We're like, and I'm like, when I took improv at Second City, we laughed, like the whole, not the whole point was to laugh, but we laughed the whole time, right?

01:08:48.944 --> 01:08:50.045
Because it was awesome.

01:08:50.444 --> 01:08:52.295
So I'm like, let's teach our own class.

01:08:52.494 --> 01:08:52.805
Yeah.

01:08:52.845 --> 01:08:55.064
And we talked to the teacher and she lined everything up for us.

01:08:55.680 --> 01:08:58.949
Um, and we're on our, did you talk to the teacher and you told her, your class sucks.

01:08:58.954 --> 01:09:02.039
We wanna, we wanna do our own We didn't say, we just said We wanna do our own.

01:09:02.039 --> 01:09:02.760
She's like, great.

01:09:03.000 --> 01:09:08.130
Um, so she gets paid right for, she puts everything, she puts everything together, markets it and stuff.

01:09:08.130 --> 01:09:08.760
Markets it.

01:09:09.000 --> 01:09:09.689
Oh, does everything.

01:09:09.689 --> 01:09:11.789
And we just show up and she rents the space.

01:09:11.789 --> 01:09:13.920
We just show up, the students show up, we teach'em.

01:09:13.920 --> 01:09:14.789
Then we have the show.

01:09:14.850 --> 01:09:15.600
Oh, we do?

01:09:15.659 --> 01:09:17.340
Or we do two shows after each class.

01:09:17.399 --> 01:09:20.550
So we've done two, our third class starts in October.

01:09:20.939 --> 01:09:21.149
Oh.

01:09:21.329 --> 01:09:22.890
So anyway, so I'd love to bring it to.

01:09:23.175 --> 01:09:24.225
Yeah, well, that's the whole point.

01:09:24.225 --> 01:09:25.354
I want to bring it to Fort Collins.

01:09:25.814 --> 01:09:26.715
I just want to get good at it.

01:09:26.744 --> 01:09:28.095
I want to get good at it practice.

01:09:28.564 --> 01:09:36.595
Um, and then, well, you can maybe this winter, you can bring it to a chapter meeting or something like that, like to a little warm up thing with a small group.

01:09:36.625 --> 01:09:37.725
Yeah, I could, I could.

01:09:38.024 --> 01:09:44.055
Yeah, we had a, uh, what a family reunion in upstate New York last whenever with like 45 people there.

01:09:44.135 --> 01:09:44.475
Okay.

01:09:44.645 --> 01:09:46.154
So you're like testing the content a little bit.

01:09:46.494 --> 01:09:46.734
Yeah.

01:09:46.994 --> 01:09:49.324
We did a bunch of our warmups and it was super fun and everybody laughed.

01:09:49.324 --> 01:09:49.555
Yeah.

01:09:49.555 --> 01:09:49.895
Yeah.

01:09:50.270 --> 01:09:51.020
Yeah, anyway, I'm good.

01:09:51.020 --> 01:09:52.199
Anyway, it's been very cool.

01:09:52.229 --> 01:10:02.989
Or the reason I took improv in the first place was because Toastmasters I found to be pretty, I was just sort of bored by Toastmasters, but I wanted the public speaking skills.

01:10:03.039 --> 01:10:03.340
Yeah.

01:10:03.350 --> 01:10:05.289
And improv absolutely develops that.

01:10:05.319 --> 01:10:05.829
For sure.

01:10:05.899 --> 01:10:08.159
Um, but it's way more fun, or a lot more laughter.

01:10:08.350 --> 01:10:08.720
Yeah, yeah.

01:10:08.720 --> 01:10:09.560
Which I like laughing.

01:10:10.479 --> 01:10:11.779
So, do you too?

01:10:11.779 --> 01:10:12.380
I like laughing.

01:10:12.609 --> 01:10:12.920
Okay.

01:10:13.399 --> 01:10:14.750
Some of my podcast guests laugh.

01:10:15.399 --> 01:10:18.590
Um, would you like to hear the most recent joke I've told?

01:10:21.069 --> 01:10:22.970
What do little old ladies taste like?

01:10:24.340 --> 01:10:25.060
Depends.

01:10:29.420 --> 01:10:32.159
Somebody told me a dad joke that was kind of in that category.

01:10:32.479 --> 01:10:35.090
Um, that one is not a dad joke, really.

01:10:35.399 --> 01:10:38.364
I mean, For some people, maybe, but Grandpa joke.

01:10:38.534 --> 01:10:40.335
More like a grandpa uncle joke.

01:10:40.414 --> 01:10:41.454
More like a uncle joke.

01:10:41.454 --> 01:10:47.614
Um, so Let's go into the closing segments.

01:10:47.935 --> 01:10:48.295
Alright.

01:10:48.425 --> 01:10:50.975
We're chasing squirrels here, potentially, if otherwise.

01:10:51.225 --> 01:10:53.345
But I do want to encourage people to go to your improv thing.

01:10:53.385 --> 01:10:54.234
Do you know when it starts?

01:10:54.614 --> 01:10:56.925
Uh, this thing, we're taking a six week break.

01:10:56.925 --> 01:10:57.925
It starts in mid October.

01:10:57.994 --> 01:10:58.904
How do they find it?

01:10:58.954 --> 01:11:02.340
Improv Collective improv collaborative on meetup.

01:11:02.340 --> 01:11:03.689
Okay, and you can join.

01:11:03.689 --> 01:11:11.619
Well, let me help you make something happen in Fort Collins for that I know actually one other person that's really excited about making something happen in improv up here.

01:11:11.859 --> 01:11:15.939
Oh, no kidding Yeah, and he's a little happy little run around fast monkey do stuff.

01:11:16.159 --> 01:11:16.520
Okay.

01:11:16.539 --> 01:11:20.239
So with your support and his energy Maybe we can make something happen.

01:11:20.300 --> 01:11:20.819
Oh fun.

01:11:21.149 --> 01:11:21.340
Okay.

01:11:21.489 --> 01:11:25.739
All right Good Faith, family, politics.

01:11:25.949 --> 01:11:29.890
Yeah, that's another reason we moved to Fort Collins was the, uh, seemed like much more Christian.

01:11:29.890 --> 01:11:30.859
Boulder was a little too.

01:11:31.680 --> 01:11:44.899
Yeah, I have another good buddy in Boulder that we did a big hike with and he's like, he's like, yeah, blah, blah, blah, and the football team, they actually go to church together, which is very rare in Boulder.

01:11:44.899 --> 01:11:48.489
So, anyway, that's another reason we moved here.

01:11:48.569 --> 01:11:49.020
Gotcha.

01:11:49.550 --> 01:11:55.954
Which, you know, Just more, whatever, Christians Yeah, we haven't talked about faith at all so far in this conversation.

01:11:56.095 --> 01:12:00.984
Um, but you, you, you mentioned kind of U of M was a little liberal.

01:12:01.345 --> 01:12:01.635
Yeah.

01:12:01.635 --> 01:12:06.854
So your family, I guess, is, you know, do you want to start with politics since we're coming up on election season?

01:12:06.864 --> 01:12:07.614
You want to start with faith?

01:12:07.885 --> 01:12:08.814
You want to start with family?

01:12:08.824 --> 01:12:09.555
Faith, yeah.

01:12:09.645 --> 01:12:09.885
Faith?

01:12:10.845 --> 01:12:11.225
I don't know.

01:12:11.465 --> 01:12:12.399
Faith, uh.

01:12:12.649 --> 01:12:19.060
Yeah, Christian, Christian generalist, any, we go to Mill City, Timberline.

01:12:19.060 --> 01:12:21.810
We have a Timberline family group that we're in tomorrow night.

01:12:22.300 --> 01:12:22.550
Yeah.

01:12:23.180 --> 01:12:28.899
So you go to Mill City because like the service is better with the life group kind of family group thing is a little better from the Timberline.

01:12:28.899 --> 01:12:29.579
Are they related?

01:12:29.659 --> 01:12:32.710
I guess, you know, we were going to associate.

01:12:32.710 --> 01:12:34.060
We went to Timberline for a long time.

01:12:34.060 --> 01:12:42.159
We just had a group and I go to breakfast with a group of guys from Timberline still from those, from the family groups a long time ago.

01:12:42.159 --> 01:12:42.210
Yeah.

01:12:43.395 --> 01:12:49.265
When we first moved, like the day after we moved here, we met another family that had four kids that invited, and we're still friends with them.

01:12:49.295 --> 01:12:55.085
Was that, uh, was a faith orientation part of your family as well, growing up?

01:12:55.135 --> 01:12:56.194
I grew up Catholic, yeah.

01:12:56.244 --> 01:12:57.085
Oh, Catholic, okay.

01:12:57.085 --> 01:12:57.704
Yeah, yeah.

01:12:57.805 --> 01:13:00.140
And where did that take you?

01:13:00.600 --> 01:13:08.090
Chapter change or like yeah, we would we went to a my dad and I went to a Bible study fellowship was which was a no BSF.

01:13:08.189 --> 01:13:08.840
Yeah, BSF.

01:13:08.859 --> 01:13:10.829
Yeah, that's where I learned the art of facilitation.

01:13:10.840 --> 01:13:13.850
That was one of four pillars for local think tank.

01:13:14.250 --> 01:13:21.449
Come on Yeah, yeah locally Um, well, I started here in Fort Collins, and then Colorado Springs, they asked me to be a discussion leader.

01:13:21.449 --> 01:13:23.939
And I was like, I don't know nothing about the Bible, Jack.

01:13:23.939 --> 01:13:26.140
I just became a Christian last year, or two years ago.

01:13:26.729 --> 01:13:28.520
And they were like, well, you don't have to.

01:13:28.840 --> 01:13:30.600
We'll teach you how to be a discussion leader.

01:13:31.109 --> 01:13:33.229
And that's a facilitator of a conversation.

01:13:33.229 --> 01:13:36.840
We see how you invite people into conversation.

01:13:37.319 --> 01:13:43.869
You don't have the potential to suppress extrapolous conversation and whatever, and we think you could be a good facilitator.

01:13:43.949 --> 01:13:44.539
Come on.

01:13:44.609 --> 01:13:45.199
Yeah, yeah.

01:13:45.199 --> 01:13:55.090
I was like 29 years old or something and an 18 month Christian, and that was literally the first piece of Loco Think Tank becoming a thing, was that conversation.

01:13:55.210 --> 01:13:55.729
Come on.

01:13:55.739 --> 01:13:58.029
Of them saying, hey, you don't need to have the answers.

01:13:58.029 --> 01:14:04.640
And so, you know, of Kimberly, of Moses, of Brandon, or all of our facilitators, you don't have to have the answers.

01:14:05.170 --> 01:14:06.539
You just have to be a really good facilitator.

01:14:06.720 --> 01:14:11.920
Facilitator of good conversation, you know, because business changes fast and you don't have to stay cutting edge.

01:14:11.920 --> 01:14:14.810
Just know people build relationships.

01:14:14.810 --> 01:14:18.159
Cool Yeah, so anyway Cool.

01:14:18.640 --> 01:14:25.300
Yeah, so I did that and it was cool when I was doing that consulting job I would go to BSF in LA and go to call 7 st.

01:14:25.300 --> 01:14:26.010
Louis on that.

01:14:26.060 --> 01:14:35.010
Yeah Yeah, that was where most of my Bible knowledge came from BSF because I took all nine sessions or whatever and then I was like Okay, I'm done.

01:14:35.449 --> 01:14:36.199
That's amazing.

01:14:36.239 --> 01:14:37.555
Yeah You Yeah, for three years.

01:14:37.585 --> 01:14:37.795
Yeah.

01:14:37.795 --> 01:14:38.074
Okay.

01:14:38.074 --> 01:14:53.005
So anyway, so that was non Catholic, um, and then, and then there were just a lot, you know, the non Catholic, uh, singles events were, And churches just had a lot cuter girls and were much more, were much more well attended.

01:14:53.005 --> 01:14:53.534
Easier.

01:14:53.814 --> 01:14:54.685
Much more well attended.

01:14:54.685 --> 01:14:56.005
No, Catholic girls are easy if you can get them out.

01:14:56.274 --> 01:14:56.685
Right.

01:14:56.685 --> 01:15:00.795
No, much more, much more, uh, well attended, right?

01:15:00.795 --> 01:15:07.484
Well, and Catholicism was kind of on the wane at that time, and the youngsters were fleeing faster than the older people and stuff, I imagine.

01:15:08.194 --> 01:15:08.484
Yeah.

01:15:08.484 --> 01:15:09.345
And there was more of a feminist movement.

01:15:11.935 --> 01:15:17.534
I hate to say it that way, and sorry Catholics that love this show, but that's been my experience.

01:15:17.585 --> 01:15:18.625
That was my experience too.

01:15:18.654 --> 01:15:26.085
So the, uh, yeah, I would go to all, I tried a bunch of different Catholic churches in Chicago, which is like the headquarters of Catholicism.

01:15:26.494 --> 01:15:26.885
Right.

01:15:26.885 --> 01:15:28.465
Are you of Irish background?

01:15:29.055 --> 01:15:29.715
A little bit.

01:15:29.744 --> 01:15:30.125
Yeah.

01:15:30.305 --> 01:15:30.864
Not a ton.

01:15:30.895 --> 01:15:31.154
Yeah.

01:15:31.185 --> 01:15:31.454
Okay.

01:15:31.935 --> 01:15:35.949
And, uh, Found, none that really appealed.

01:15:35.979 --> 01:15:48.039
I don't know, I just feel like, there are the, not dorky, but whatever, the people that went to the Catholic Bible studies, weren't the people that I wanted to hang out with, but the people that went to the non denominational churches were, who I wanted to hang out with, so I did.

01:15:48.109 --> 01:15:48.630
Interesting.

01:15:48.810 --> 01:15:49.189
Okay.

01:15:49.310 --> 01:15:49.859
That's where we are.

01:15:49.930 --> 01:15:53.899
And then you just kind of stuck there, you're raising your kids that way, sending them to Sunday school, all that.

01:15:54.039 --> 01:15:54.470
Yeah.

01:15:54.960 --> 01:16:00.859
Yeah, sometimes I wonder like you should have done Catholic for them or whatever, right?

01:16:01.939 --> 01:16:08.930
Do you like I do because of the tradition the kind of all that kind of structure behind it and the right whatever?

01:16:09.140 --> 01:16:17.500
Exactly, you know I think there's a way to honor and appreciate that and let them Discover their own truth.

01:16:18.020 --> 01:16:35.314
Like if I think if the Catholic Church has one major failing It's that they are the deciders of what truth is, and I'm more on the free thinking side, and I think the best non denominational churches are like, well, here's what we think, and here's the Bible.

01:16:36.104 --> 01:16:36.984
Like, read that shit.

01:16:36.994 --> 01:16:39.984
That's, you know, that's really interesting.

01:16:39.994 --> 01:16:41.555
That's exactly what I thought too, right?

01:16:41.595 --> 01:16:44.734
Like the, yeah, we never read the Bible growing up, right?

01:16:44.944 --> 01:16:45.234
Right.

01:16:45.234 --> 01:16:48.145
As a Catholic, the priest reads the Bible and tells you what to think.

01:16:49.244 --> 01:16:51.435
Which, you know, sort of looking back like maybe that's all right.

01:16:51.435 --> 01:16:55.274
Like they, they studied, they can see like they have, they have more time PhDs in it.

01:16:55.274 --> 01:16:55.484
Right.

01:16:55.489 --> 01:16:56.449
And they really Right.

01:16:56.954 --> 01:17:00.944
Know it where me trying to learn it on my own, which is really cool what you do in BSF.

01:17:00.944 --> 01:17:03.614
And anyway, that was more appealing to me.

01:17:03.619 --> 01:17:03.710
Yeah.

01:17:03.854 --> 01:17:04.185
Yeah.

01:17:04.305 --> 01:17:05.175
I guess it still is.

01:17:05.715 --> 01:17:05.895
Yeah.

01:17:05.895 --> 01:17:11.935
Um, kind of that liberty to think what you choose to think and discover research, whatever, and teach you, here's the Bible.

01:17:11.935 --> 01:17:12.145
Yeah.

01:17:12.145 --> 01:17:13.465
Here, read this, read this, read this.

01:17:13.465 --> 01:17:15.564
And you make your, your decisions Fair enough.

01:17:15.564 --> 01:17:15.625
Yeah.

01:17:15.979 --> 01:17:18.529
Um, let's move to family next.

01:17:18.789 --> 01:17:24.210
Uh, we do a one word description of the children that I may or may not have told you about.

01:17:24.279 --> 01:17:27.039
Do you, uh, are you feel prepared for that, for your kids?

01:17:27.170 --> 01:17:28.250
I have a bunch of kids, so, yeah.

01:17:28.270 --> 01:17:28.899
You got three?

01:17:29.140 --> 01:17:29.489
Four.

01:17:29.500 --> 01:17:30.050
Four now.

01:17:31.000 --> 01:17:31.250
Yeah.

01:17:31.399 --> 01:17:32.739
You had three when you came from Chicago.

01:17:33.319 --> 01:17:35.500
So, um, if you wouldn't mind.

01:17:35.550 --> 01:17:36.729
I had two.

01:17:36.729 --> 01:17:37.390
Oh, two and one on the way.

01:17:37.399 --> 01:17:38.300
Two in Boulder.

01:17:38.784 --> 01:17:39.055
Okay.

01:17:39.055 --> 01:17:41.149
I had one in Boulder and then I had another one in New York City.

01:17:41.149 --> 01:17:41.944
Good.

01:17:41.944 --> 01:17:49.085
So, uh, yeah, a name, an age, and a one word description that you can expand on each if you're comfortable.

01:17:49.135 --> 01:17:49.814
Of each kid?

01:17:49.864 --> 01:17:51.774
Yeah, each kid gets a one word description.

01:17:51.904 --> 01:17:53.755
My goodness.

01:17:53.805 --> 01:17:56.125
It's a hard game, but It is a hard game.

01:17:58.314 --> 01:18:01.875
Um, Evelyn, cool.

01:18:02.890 --> 01:18:03.960
Yeah, she's a cool kid.

01:18:03.960 --> 01:18:04.470
She's fun.

01:18:04.470 --> 01:18:04.659
I love her.

01:18:04.670 --> 01:18:05.199
She's your oldest?

01:18:05.520 --> 01:18:05.979
Yeah.

01:18:06.020 --> 01:18:06.770
She's twelve?

01:18:06.869 --> 01:18:07.479
Twelve, yeah.

01:18:07.479 --> 01:18:07.840
Okay.

01:18:07.890 --> 01:18:08.210
Seventh grade.

01:18:08.210 --> 01:18:11.409
So she's the babysitter emeritus, basically, or will be?

01:18:11.560 --> 01:18:12.399
Kind of, yeah.

01:18:12.420 --> 01:18:13.279
I mean, soon.

01:18:13.439 --> 01:18:15.600
She's tough on her siblings, though.

01:18:16.600 --> 01:18:18.020
Well, she has high expectations.

01:18:18.020 --> 01:18:19.159
Yeah.

01:18:19.159 --> 01:18:19.369
True.

01:18:19.939 --> 01:18:21.720
She won, she was the president.

01:18:22.460 --> 01:18:24.149
It drives her crazy when I brag about it.

01:18:24.319 --> 01:18:27.965
Uh, she was president of the Dunn of the, of her whole element.

01:18:27.965 --> 01:18:28.564
Elementary.

01:18:28.564 --> 01:18:28.725
Elementary school?

01:18:28.730 --> 01:18:28.760
Yeah.

01:18:28.850 --> 01:18:29.210
Okay.

01:18:29.300 --> 01:18:29.600
Yep.

01:18:29.659 --> 01:18:30.500
Of the whole school?

01:18:30.500 --> 01:18:30.680
Yeah.

01:18:30.680 --> 01:18:33.170
When she was in fifth grade, which was a super, I don't know.

01:18:33.170 --> 01:18:35.390
I thought it was a big deal I never would've run for.

01:18:35.420 --> 01:18:35.869
Right, right.

01:18:35.869 --> 01:18:37.609
Office and then whatever.

01:18:37.609 --> 01:18:39.140
She just got into advanced math and.

01:18:39.204 --> 01:18:41.784
7th grade, so that's a big deal too.

01:18:41.984 --> 01:18:42.305
Okay.

01:18:42.805 --> 01:18:42.994
Yeah.

01:18:43.005 --> 01:18:43.845
She's so fun.

01:18:43.895 --> 01:18:45.944
I know we went to a party in, in Boulder.

01:18:45.975 --> 01:18:53.074
My, I just took her down there with my buddy and a bunch of other dudes and she was like right, it was like the five of us at this block party on Sunday.

01:18:53.085 --> 01:18:53.664
Okay.

01:18:53.835 --> 01:18:56.385
And she was so hilarious and, I don't know.

01:18:56.395 --> 01:18:59.694
Just easy to engage with adults and whatever else.

01:18:59.895 --> 01:19:00.024
Yeah.

01:19:00.095 --> 01:19:02.104
She started, she has a thing.

01:19:02.604 --> 01:19:03.335
I don't, yeah.

01:19:03.795 --> 01:19:06.475
If you lick somebody's elbow from behind, they can't feel it.

01:19:07.289 --> 01:19:22.180
So that was like, so, so we had a thing where, yeah, we had a thing where we got this, a guy we didn't know to do whatever you had to, and we had three guys and you had to answer the question and this guy we didn't know lost and he had to go to another group and lick somebody's elbow from behind.

01:19:23.864 --> 01:19:25.114
Which was started by my daughter.

01:19:27.814 --> 01:19:31.164
And the dude didn't even notice he licked the guy's elbow and the guy like just kept talking.

01:19:31.534 --> 01:19:32.145
Like nothing happened.

01:19:32.154 --> 01:19:32.845
Oh, that's crazy.

01:19:32.854 --> 01:19:33.225
Yeah.

01:19:33.484 --> 01:19:34.324
I didn't take a pause.

01:19:34.425 --> 01:19:34.784
All right.

01:20:18.960 --> 01:20:22.385
Um, You have another, you have four kids.

01:20:22.385 --> 01:20:24.715
Evelyn was the first and Evelyn started a craze.

01:20:24.744 --> 01:20:27.284
I really kind of want to lick somebody's elbow now.

01:20:27.345 --> 01:20:27.654
I know.

01:20:29.585 --> 01:20:30.314
So weird.

01:20:32.734 --> 01:20:41.505
This grown dude in his fifties, like walks over to a group of guys standing in a circle talking, like hesitates.

01:20:41.994 --> 01:20:43.354
And then he licks the guy's elbow.

01:20:43.734 --> 01:20:44.444
Nothing happens.

01:20:44.475 --> 01:20:45.984
He walks back over to us.

01:20:46.560 --> 01:21:03.689
And he was so grossed out when we told him about it, like, whatever, 20, 20 minutes prior that you convinced him and then he was like, well, he took the bet where like, Oh, we had, we, the three of us were standing, we had some random person ask us a trivia question.

01:21:03.739 --> 01:21:04.109
Okay.

01:21:04.270 --> 01:21:05.180
I answered the first one.

01:21:05.180 --> 01:21:07.250
So I was out then my buddy answered the next one.

01:21:07.250 --> 01:21:07.850
So he was out.

01:21:07.850 --> 01:21:10.590
So this dude that we had just met had to go.

01:21:10.954 --> 01:21:12.385
And he stood, that was very impressive.

01:21:12.385 --> 01:21:14.515
You know, he stood up and stuck to his word.

01:21:14.845 --> 01:21:15.215
I like it.

01:21:17.515 --> 01:21:17.875
Anyway.

01:21:17.875 --> 01:21:20.274
So Evelyn, so my oldest, she's pretty cool.

01:21:21.244 --> 01:21:25.064
Um, and pretty thinking too, sounds like, yeah.

01:21:26.135 --> 01:21:31.944
Um, number two, number two, Ginny, Virginia, um, just sweet.

01:21:31.944 --> 01:21:39.534
She's so you like, if you have a friend, you want to be Ginny's friend or sibling, like she's always like, if we go, She's actually the best one.

01:21:39.614 --> 01:21:40.545
You go to a gift shop.

01:21:40.765 --> 01:21:43.595
She, everybody thinks she's the favorite, which is untrue.

01:21:43.595 --> 01:21:47.664
They're all equally, but everybody's so thinks that this kid's a favorite.

01:21:47.664 --> 01:21:52.194
But yeah, if she, you go to a gift shop, she's like, like, Oh, I'll get that.

01:21:52.194 --> 01:21:57.095
But let me, I need to get something for Evie, for Hope and for Tommy and for mommy.

01:21:57.234 --> 01:21:59.555
You know, like so sweet.

01:22:00.175 --> 01:22:01.574
Um, and she's funny.

01:22:01.574 --> 01:22:02.774
She's got an amazing sense of humor.

01:22:02.774 --> 01:22:04.664
She's like, has tons of play dates.

01:22:04.734 --> 01:22:06.085
She's like nine, 10, something.

01:22:06.085 --> 01:22:06.704
She's 10.

01:22:06.704 --> 01:22:07.045
Yeah.

01:22:07.046 --> 01:22:07.079
Yeah.

01:22:07.079 --> 01:22:07.114
Yeah.

01:22:08.135 --> 01:22:13.104
Fifth grade next is and then hope is the next and she is like what?

01:22:13.755 --> 01:22:27.055
Boolean maybe would be like we had a new babysitter today that came and hope would just chatter by I don't know if I know That word very good ebullient ebullient It's like like expressive expressive and big.

01:22:27.104 --> 01:22:27.364
Yeah.

01:22:27.515 --> 01:22:29.154
Yeah confident and yeah.

01:22:29.154 --> 01:22:33.170
Yeah I've never really known how to say that word before, I think.

01:22:33.220 --> 01:22:33.970
Did I say it right?

01:22:33.970 --> 01:22:34.510
I don't know.

01:22:34.510 --> 01:22:35.449
I might have said it wrong.

01:22:35.560 --> 01:22:36.000
I don't know.

01:22:36.229 --> 01:22:39.170
So, yeah, she's such a huge personality.

01:22:39.229 --> 01:22:40.699
For a seven year old or something?

01:22:40.699 --> 01:22:42.789
She's Eight year old?

01:22:42.800 --> 01:22:43.659
She's eight, yeah.

01:22:43.670 --> 01:22:43.949
Okay.

01:22:43.951 --> 01:22:44.829
I think.

01:22:44.960 --> 01:22:45.750
That's exciting.

01:22:45.869 --> 01:22:49.270
It's tough to keep track of all the ages, but They always change.

01:22:49.640 --> 01:22:54.250
But, yeah, she's just a big personality and super confident and, uh Interesting.

01:22:54.279 --> 01:22:55.109
She's amazing.

01:22:55.110 --> 01:23:09.390
That's Probably I hate to say it this way, but it's not always a common trait in girls, and, and it seems like less so than when I was a kid for some reason.

01:23:09.420 --> 01:23:11.039
And so that's awesome to hear, actually.

01:23:11.609 --> 01:23:17.149
It feels like girls are being trained to be smaller, play small ball until they're like grown up girls and then they play big ball.

01:23:17.439 --> 01:23:17.800
Interesting.

01:23:17.840 --> 01:23:18.260
I don't know.

01:23:18.300 --> 01:23:19.399
Maybe I'm wrong about that.

01:23:19.779 --> 01:23:20.750
You know, we lived across the street.

01:23:20.800 --> 01:23:23.590
Way in Boulder, we lived across the street from somebody that had three girls.

01:23:24.425 --> 01:23:45.823
And her, and she said, girls can be anything, which I thought was a super interesting, where, where guys can't, I mean, they can be, but they can't really be nurses, they can't be, uh, whatever, teachers, I mean, they can be for sure, but a girl can be a CEO, she can be a nurse, she can be a, I don't know, a fireman or a soldier, but they can be a fireman or a soldier.

01:23:45.823 --> 01:23:48.175
Well, I mean, they were crafted by God to be an ideal helper.

01:23:48.805 --> 01:23:49.255
There you go.

01:23:49.545 --> 01:23:50.015
For the world.

01:23:50.345 --> 01:23:50.755
Nice.

01:23:50.845 --> 01:23:51.145
You know.

01:23:51.989 --> 01:23:56.380
Or a CEO sometimes Which is a helper too, right?

01:23:56.390 --> 01:24:04.180
Like servant leadership is And Tommy and then Tommy Fireball bulldog.

01:24:04.250 --> 01:24:05.149
He likes to play.

01:24:05.199 --> 01:24:06.890
He's he's just turned seven.

01:24:07.119 --> 01:24:14.760
Okay, and he He's thick and solid like okay, he's uh, yeah.

01:24:14.760 --> 01:24:20.329
Yeah, he likes to play Last year, I'm like, what do you play on the playground?

01:24:20.329 --> 01:24:21.199
And he's like, bulls.

01:24:21.710 --> 01:24:22.760
Like, how do you play bulls?

01:24:23.010 --> 01:24:25.770
He's like, just run into people with your head.

01:24:25.770 --> 01:24:31.810
You just run into most of them aren't actually playing bulls.

01:24:33.699 --> 01:24:34.630
You don't need to be playing bulls.

01:24:35.460 --> 01:24:36.220
He's playing bulls.

01:24:36.409 --> 01:24:37.399
You don't need to be playing.

01:24:37.400 --> 01:24:40.579
You just get drawn into his game after he crashes into you.

01:24:41.350 --> 01:24:42.159
Oh, God.

01:24:43.760 --> 01:24:45.199
It's like a high motor.

01:24:45.390 --> 01:24:45.760
Yeah.

01:24:46.229 --> 01:24:47.300
It's got a ton of energy.

01:24:47.680 --> 01:24:49.470
We have like always have projects going on.

01:24:49.470 --> 01:24:51.010
He's like, Daddy, let's build an electric bike.

01:24:51.010 --> 01:24:52.310
I'm like, okay, so we buy electric.

01:24:52.680 --> 01:24:53.550
Daddy, let's build a rat.

01:24:53.550 --> 01:24:54.170
Let's build a boat.

01:24:54.170 --> 01:24:54.489
Okay.

01:24:54.550 --> 01:24:55.289
So we build a boat.

01:24:55.300 --> 01:24:56.949
Daddy, let's build a cool.

01:24:57.149 --> 01:24:58.159
So let's build a wand.

01:24:58.170 --> 01:25:01.180
Let's build a staff with a, with a rot, with a, with a.

01:25:01.180 --> 01:25:04.659
Thing that shoots off, I wanna be able to push the button and shoot the thing off the end.

01:25:05.819 --> 01:25:07.199
I'm like, all right buddy, we'll build that for you.

01:25:09.779 --> 01:25:09.904
So we have all these projects.

01:25:09.989 --> 01:25:10.409
I like it.

01:25:10.529 --> 01:25:10.920
Yeah.

01:25:10.979 --> 01:25:12.899
So an engineer kind of, for sure.

01:25:13.470 --> 01:25:16.380
Um, you wanna talk more about Lisa?

01:25:17.250 --> 01:25:17.760
Like Yeah.

01:25:17.819 --> 01:25:18.779
Um, oh, sure.

01:25:18.779 --> 01:25:29.640
What, what was it, uh, aside from the fact that you had this thriving bachelorette boating business, uh, what caused her to say yes to the second time you asked her out?

01:25:29.640 --> 01:25:32.939
I, she had, um, I dunno, we had so much fun.

01:25:33.465 --> 01:25:35.064
I just had a blast that first night.

01:25:35.534 --> 01:25:45.965
I like spun, we danced, but it wasn't, it's not a dancing bar, and I spun her into the, I don't know, she sort of crashed into the bar, the patrons sitting at the bar.

01:25:46.024 --> 01:25:46.935
Oh, okay.

01:25:46.994 --> 01:25:48.715
Yeah, we got yelled at by the bartender.

01:25:49.305 --> 01:25:51.005
Because you were drinking too much?

01:25:51.244 --> 01:25:55.104
No, because we were dancing, we were dancing, and we're not allowed to dance in there.

01:25:55.720 --> 01:25:57.890
Or you know how to let it crash into people when you're Right, right.

01:25:57.920 --> 01:25:58.569
Not supposed to.

01:25:58.670 --> 01:25:59.010
Yeah.

01:25:59.500 --> 01:26:00.350
But she thought it was fun.

01:26:00.750 --> 01:26:01.600
She thought it was fun, yeah.

01:26:01.600 --> 01:26:02.220
She said yes.

01:26:02.250 --> 01:26:03.970
I asked her how She makes fun of me.

01:26:03.970 --> 01:26:06.359
I asked her how like every day for like three days in a row.

01:26:07.199 --> 01:26:08.170
Like before that first one?

01:26:08.170 --> 01:26:08.890
Just not cool.

01:26:09.369 --> 01:26:10.237
Or after the first one?

01:26:10.237 --> 01:26:18.574
After the fir yeah, I met her and then I asked her how the next day, and then the next day, and then the next day, and she said yes every time, so She makes fun of me for that, justifiably so.

01:26:19.444 --> 01:26:21.944
So you were like, will you go out with me Thursday?

01:26:22.414 --> 01:26:25.694
And then will you go out with me Saturday or Friday, like the next day?

01:26:26.444 --> 01:26:30.444
Like after each day, you were like, will you go out with me tomorrow too?

01:26:30.595 --> 01:26:32.505
Will you go out with me tomorrow too?

01:26:33.244 --> 01:26:33.885
Not cool.

01:26:34.255 --> 01:26:36.805
And, uh, how did she use that leverage?

01:26:37.164 --> 01:26:37.614
Just kidding.

01:26:39.704 --> 01:26:53.449
You know, I, one of the things that, uh, That Jill and I have learned about ourselves, I guess, is because we're 21 years married here last May.

01:26:53.569 --> 01:26:53.899
Nice.

01:26:53.920 --> 01:26:54.149
Wow.

01:26:54.210 --> 01:27:05.840
As, you know, being desired for a woman or man, but especially for a woman is a big vitamin booster for a relationship.

01:27:05.880 --> 01:27:06.159
Hmm.

01:27:06.439 --> 01:27:11.970
Right, and so that, you know, asking her again, asking her again, asking her again, like, that sets a tone.

01:27:11.979 --> 01:27:13.604
My cards were on the table.

01:27:13.604 --> 01:27:15.228
Like, this guy really likes me.

01:27:15.228 --> 01:27:16.939
And why did you like her so much?

01:27:17.649 --> 01:27:19.529
Yeah, she was super fun, super pretty.

01:27:19.680 --> 01:27:19.979
Yeah.

01:27:20.500 --> 01:27:22.279
She just had a great sense of humor, quick wit.

01:27:22.859 --> 01:27:23.680
She's from the East Coast.

01:27:23.840 --> 01:27:24.550
She seemed to like you.

01:27:24.619 --> 01:27:25.270
She was quick.

01:27:25.289 --> 01:27:28.949
Yeah, she liked me back, apparently.

01:27:28.949 --> 01:27:31.760
That's a big driver for me, like, actually liking me too.

01:27:31.770 --> 01:27:33.189
Yeah, that's important in a relationship.

01:27:33.190 --> 01:27:35.420
In any relationship, even a friendship.

01:27:37.710 --> 01:27:43.329
I apparently, I had, what did I tell, I had, I told her within the first week.

01:27:43.345 --> 01:27:47.404
Two minutes or whatever, or five minutes that I had a sailboat.

01:27:47.614 --> 01:27:47.885
That's it.

01:27:47.895 --> 01:27:49.024
Or that boat in the harbor.

01:27:49.024 --> 01:27:49.595
That's important.

01:27:49.604 --> 01:27:56.225
I was, I don't know what the third thing was, but I was friends with, uh, I taught rock climbing in Chicago.

01:27:56.685 --> 01:27:58.595
I moved back from Denver to Chicago, right.

01:27:58.595 --> 01:27:59.524
And I needed something to do.

01:27:59.524 --> 01:28:02.604
My climbing partner out here said, get a job at a climbing gym.

01:28:02.604 --> 01:28:03.675
So I'm like, Oh, good idea.

01:28:04.095 --> 01:28:08.534
So I had, it was a fancy gym downtown and, uh, like a six story.

01:28:08.994 --> 01:28:09.225
Yeah.

01:28:09.225 --> 01:28:13.704
It was like the, anyway, Jimmy Buffett came in on it and I'm a huge Buffett fan.

01:28:13.704 --> 01:28:14.074
Sure.

01:28:14.475 --> 01:28:18.475
And, uh, and then I taught him like whatever, four more times.

01:28:18.475 --> 01:28:19.925
He would always call him whenever he came into town.

01:28:19.925 --> 01:28:20.454
He called me.

01:28:20.454 --> 01:28:23.215
I was his guy with backstage passes.

01:28:25.210 --> 01:28:31.649
And, uh, with a pre, the pre dinner, a pre thing and give me ticket, like 10th row center tickets or whatever.

01:28:31.979 --> 01:28:33.189
Yeah, it was super cool.

01:28:33.600 --> 01:28:37.010
And then that's obviously something you need to mention to a girl that you just met, right?

01:28:37.079 --> 01:28:38.210
Yeah, you laid it on.

01:28:38.350 --> 01:28:38.569
Yeah.

01:28:39.380 --> 01:28:41.430
So she makes fun of me for that.

01:28:42.600 --> 01:28:43.130
But it worked.

01:28:43.130 --> 01:28:45.149
You named Robin Jimmy Buffet on your first date.

01:28:45.869 --> 01:28:46.939
Jimmy, yeah, you want to call Jimmy?

01:28:46.939 --> 01:28:48.300
Or I have his email right here.

01:28:48.300 --> 01:28:49.229
You want to email Jimmy?

01:28:50.784 --> 01:28:52.064
Jimmy, look at this girl I just met.

01:28:52.085 --> 01:28:52.965
She's so cute.

01:28:53.635 --> 01:28:55.255
Can she come backstage with me next time you're in town?

01:28:55.256 --> 01:28:59.555
Yeah, exactly.

01:29:00.034 --> 01:29:00.685
Oh, hilarious.

01:29:00.715 --> 01:29:01.114
I love it.

01:29:01.555 --> 01:29:04.215
Um, we got to touch on politics.

01:29:04.494 --> 01:29:09.045
Uh, we are less than a week away from the first presidential debate.

01:29:09.494 --> 01:29:10.194
Oh, great.

01:29:10.204 --> 01:29:11.095
They both said yes.

01:29:11.095 --> 01:29:12.175
Are they, everybody's agreed.

01:29:12.175 --> 01:29:12.824
Supposedly.

01:29:12.875 --> 01:29:13.364
Yeah.

01:29:13.454 --> 01:29:14.024
I don't know.

01:29:14.045 --> 01:29:16.265
I hear Trump backs out, I hear Kamala backs out.

01:29:16.295 --> 01:29:20.255
Yeah, well, Kamala said anywhere, anytime, and Trump's like, okay, let's have three debates.

01:29:20.255 --> 01:29:22.244
And then she's like, huh?

01:29:23.125 --> 01:29:23.965
Is it going to be three?

01:29:24.034 --> 01:29:25.295
No, I'm sure not.

01:29:25.875 --> 01:29:27.845
We'll see how the first one goes, but I doubt it.

01:29:28.414 --> 01:29:29.095
I doubt it too.

01:29:30.034 --> 01:29:35.965
She doesn't like to speak off camera, is what I keep reading, or is she Without her Of course the reporters and Yeah, I don't know.

01:29:35.984 --> 01:29:37.125
She doesn't have her teleprompter.

01:29:37.125 --> 01:29:41.914
She doesn't like to I heard Tim Walz was her emotional support animal.

01:29:42.734 --> 01:29:43.164
Really?

01:29:43.435 --> 01:29:44.524
Are they friends from before?

01:29:44.585 --> 01:29:45.154
I don't know.

01:29:45.204 --> 01:29:46.305
They just met, but she liked him.

01:29:46.305 --> 01:29:49.154
Tim Walz's whole family is Trump supporters.

01:29:49.564 --> 01:29:50.215
Did you see that?

01:29:50.274 --> 01:29:52.654
picture on, on, uh, X.

01:29:53.114 --> 01:29:54.604
Like, what's going on with that, though, really?

01:29:54.604 --> 01:29:55.234
Like, for real?

01:29:55.234 --> 01:30:10.015
Like, like, I hate to say, like, it's really weird that the Democratic Party put forward Joe Biden when they knew he was facing difficulties with associated with his age.

01:30:10.725 --> 01:30:12.895
Like, you can't convince me that they didn't know that.

01:30:13.404 --> 01:30:15.125
Like what kind of a retard wouldn't know that?

01:30:16.265 --> 01:30:20.444
Certainly his vice president knew that, but nobody says nothing.

01:30:20.545 --> 01:30:22.375
I go get the nomination and stuff.

01:30:22.515 --> 01:30:25.225
But she wasn't very involved or wasn't everything.

01:30:25.225 --> 01:30:25.625
I read this.

01:30:25.625 --> 01:30:26.795
He held her at arm's distance.

01:30:26.795 --> 01:30:29.625
She didn't, she didn't get to do much in the thing.

01:30:29.625 --> 01:30:32.244
Like Jill and Hunter were like, okay, that's good.

01:30:32.645 --> 01:30:33.614
Do you go, maybe?

01:30:33.635 --> 01:30:43.649
I mean, I've, I've heard that definitely from a lot of, Like cabinet officials, like, I didn't see him for like the last 11 months or 16 months or whatever, like we just didn't interact.

01:30:43.699 --> 01:30:45.329
He wasn't, yeah.

01:30:45.510 --> 01:30:49.100
So maybe he was hiding, but like, I don't know.

01:30:49.430 --> 01:30:50.619
Like what do you think about that whole scene?

01:30:50.619 --> 01:30:53.670
It's such a, it's interesting.

01:30:53.671 --> 01:30:59.500
Yeah, why, why, yeah, why didn't, Why didn't they put, why didn't they put a process in place to have an open primary?

01:30:59.500 --> 01:31:00.579
Why didn't they have an open primary?

01:31:00.659 --> 01:31:03.880
Like it seemed obvious to me that Joe, Was in rough.

01:31:04.029 --> 01:31:05.590
Like they hit him in 2020.

01:31:06.170 --> 01:31:07.010
Yeah, they didn't allow.

01:31:07.010 --> 01:31:08.689
He didn't, wasn't out then.

01:31:08.729 --> 01:31:10.380
Nobody picked, nobody picked Gamala, right?

01:31:10.380 --> 01:31:13.510
She's just like, or somebody picked him, the Democratic Party.

01:31:13.569 --> 01:31:16.079
Somebody did, but no people voted for her.

01:31:16.090 --> 01:31:16.750
It's so interesting.

01:31:16.750 --> 01:31:18.359
I'm like, how does she have, I don't know.

01:31:19.345 --> 01:31:20.494
But she's super unpopular.

01:31:20.494 --> 01:31:26.404
She was super unpopular and now, now the media spins it or they spin that she's is super popular and has all those accomplishments.

01:31:26.404 --> 01:31:27.744
I think she is super popular.

01:31:27.824 --> 01:31:28.875
Like, yeah.

01:31:29.154 --> 01:31:30.734
Like a lot of people like her all of a sudden.

01:31:30.734 --> 01:31:31.335
A lot.

01:31:31.654 --> 01:31:32.024
Yeah.

01:31:32.024 --> 01:31:32.935
Which is so weird, huh?

01:31:32.975 --> 01:31:36.314
Cause she was like down in the dumps before and now she's super popular.

01:31:36.314 --> 01:31:37.125
So, yeah, I don't know.

01:31:37.965 --> 01:31:38.225
Whatever.

01:31:38.225 --> 01:31:39.064
We'll see what happens.

01:31:39.164 --> 01:31:39.484
Yeah.

01:31:39.574 --> 01:31:40.555
What do you, what's your prediction?

01:31:43.164 --> 01:31:46.734
Um, yeah, I don't know.

01:31:46.765 --> 01:31:53.390
I, I guess from what I read that she's super Marxist and communist and, uh, Yeah, maybe it's the same thing as with Hillary, right?

01:31:53.399 --> 01:31:58.189
Like all the polls say that Hillary's gonna crush it and Kamala's gonna crush it, but then Trump comes out ahead?

01:31:58.319 --> 01:31:58.689
I don't know.

01:31:58.750 --> 01:32:00.699
Is that what you think is most likely?

01:32:02.579 --> 01:32:02.970
I do.

01:32:03.770 --> 01:32:04.369
What do you think?

01:32:04.489 --> 01:32:13.829
I I'm scared that there's funny business with potential as well.

01:32:14.529 --> 01:32:16.020
Like, I'm not sure what the margin is.

01:32:18.000 --> 01:32:24.364
I think RFK coming aboard with Trump was probably a big boost for Trump.

01:32:24.484 --> 01:32:25.795
That's really super interesting.

01:32:25.795 --> 01:32:29.414
I feel like he was always sort of right leaning ish.

01:32:29.545 --> 01:32:30.164
What do you think?

01:32:30.215 --> 01:32:45.989
Well I mean, I've listened to a bunch of his content and stuff like that because, I mean, he's attacking from the Liberty side, the biggest gap in Trump's game, which was that he was like, we got to lock down the country and give everybody these vaccines or not.

01:32:46.000 --> 01:32:48.239
He didn't, but he started Operation Warp Speed and stuff.

01:32:48.239 --> 01:32:51.460
And you know, Trump was not a defender of Liberty during that time.

01:32:52.489 --> 01:32:54.310
And RFK wrote.

01:32:54.744 --> 01:33:02.595
You know, the real Anthony Fauci book, and it kind of exposed that whole pharma corrupted scene.

01:33:02.845 --> 01:33:04.515
Oh, you haven't read the real Anthony Fauci?

01:33:04.744 --> 01:33:05.185
Mm hmm.

01:33:05.385 --> 01:33:05.895
Oh, dude.

01:33:06.585 --> 01:33:07.055
Oh, yeah.

01:33:07.345 --> 01:33:08.204
You gotta read that.

01:33:08.585 --> 01:33:13.494
I know he lives in a 7 million house or something on a government salary, or Fauci?

01:33:13.755 --> 01:33:13.994
Yeah.

01:33:14.034 --> 01:33:14.614
Yeah, maybe.

01:33:14.664 --> 01:33:15.015
I don't know.

01:33:15.015 --> 01:33:21.765
But, but he, like, the evidence suggests that he, like, prolonged the AIDS epidemic for years.

01:33:22.244 --> 01:33:41.734
Own in Richmond and other people associated and a whole bunch of other stuff like his whole record is kind of questionable and You know NIH gets most of the money's when are a lot of the money when new drugs are approved through the FDA No, who gets it NIH?

01:33:41.765 --> 01:33:55.295
Yeah, National Institute of Health because they like only like like literally 55 percent of the drugs approved by the FDA have royalties paying back to the National Institutes of Health right now.

01:33:57.244 --> 01:33:58.215
Yeah, yeah.

01:33:58.215 --> 01:33:58.744
Oh yeah.

01:33:58.784 --> 01:34:21.685
No, it's a, it's a dirty little game where if you're involved with our science approved crew, you can get, like, things approved easier than if you're some random Like, it's really impossible for, you know, as hard as it was for Tesla to break into the car business, it's probably harder for small time pharmaceutical companies to break into that business.

01:34:22.564 --> 01:34:24.904
And it's more than anything because of the gatekeepers.

01:34:24.904 --> 01:34:26.505
Space X was really difficult for Elon, too.

01:34:26.524 --> 01:34:27.225
Well, totally.

01:34:27.234 --> 01:34:32.585
And, and, like, the banking industry is probably what Elon should crack next, or somebody should.

01:34:32.585 --> 01:34:36.534
Because it's really hard to get into the big banking industry, right?

01:34:36.564 --> 01:34:40.364
And you get to borrow your money for a point and a half less than everybody else if you're too big to fail.

01:34:41.255 --> 01:34:43.194
Tough to face against that competition.

01:34:44.074 --> 01:34:46.715
Same, same thing for pharmaceuticals.

01:34:46.715 --> 01:34:48.645
Same thing for military contractors.

01:34:49.404 --> 01:34:52.484
Like, if you could build a better mousetrap and sell it to the fucking military?

01:34:53.579 --> 01:35:00.114
I'm sure you could kick I mean Boeing can't even go get, drop astronauts off up in space and bring them home.

01:35:00.595 --> 01:35:01.164
You know?

01:35:01.984 --> 01:35:03.255
And they're our most advanced.

01:35:03.256 --> 01:35:03.965
That's a detail.

01:35:04.024 --> 01:35:04.444
Yeah.

01:35:04.494 --> 01:35:04.774
Yeah.

01:35:04.784 --> 01:35:04.814
Oops.

01:35:04.814 --> 01:35:14.675
Thank goodness for Elon and for, yeah, people fighting to, or whatever, people, entrepreneurs that are doing new stuff.

01:35:14.685 --> 01:35:17.274
Like without, without free speech and innovation.

01:35:17.699 --> 01:35:22.460
Like, I think entrepreneurship dies pretty quickly, I guess is where I go with my politics a little bit.

01:35:22.539 --> 01:35:31.939
Yeah, but, but there's so much big, I think it's all gonna be okay with huge VC money and, uh, or venture capitalist money and tons of innovation.

01:35:31.960 --> 01:35:33.484
I don't know.

01:35:33.484 --> 01:35:35.069
I think America's gonna be okay.

01:35:35.390 --> 01:35:38.350
We would weather through a four year season of communism?

01:35:39.529 --> 01:35:40.130
I think so.

01:35:40.970 --> 01:35:41.170
Okay.

01:35:42.489 --> 01:35:46.925
You know what they say, uh, You can vote socialism in, but you have to shoot your way out.

01:35:48.645 --> 01:35:49.354
Well, listen to this.

01:35:49.354 --> 01:36:05.654
So, so for my business, um, um, Biden talks tough on imports, but actually it's not that hard to import things, but, but Trump actually enforces the right.

01:36:06.185 --> 01:36:09.685
So you would be like, shit, it's going to cost me a bunch of extra money.

01:36:09.694 --> 01:36:10.774
It's actually better for my business.

01:36:10.774 --> 01:36:10.944
Yeah.

01:36:10.944 --> 01:36:11.305
Yeah.

01:36:12.234 --> 01:36:13.375
At least in the short run.

01:36:13.885 --> 01:36:18.925
At least it's short I mean, if nobody has any money, it's gonna be harder for them to buy solar panels in the future.

01:36:18.930 --> 01:36:19.579
Yeah, I dunno.

01:36:19.579 --> 01:36:19.581
Yeah.

01:36:19.725 --> 01:36:22.814
I'm so curious if that, my whole Marxist communist thing is really real.

01:36:23.675 --> 01:36:27.694
If she really, or if she's, I mean she spoke pretty directly about price controls.

01:36:27.784 --> 01:36:31.024
Like when I was a kid in fifth grade, that was like one of the hallmarks.

01:36:31.404 --> 01:36:31.914
Yeah.

01:36:32.064 --> 01:36:34.135
But for grocery stores besides like, yep.

01:36:34.164 --> 01:36:35.005
Oh, price controls.

01:36:35.039 --> 01:36:35.845
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:36:35.845 --> 01:36:38.034
And uh, unrealized capital gains.

01:36:38.064 --> 01:36:38.635
Right.

01:36:39.484 --> 01:36:41.585
It seems pretty ridiculous, but, alright.

01:36:42.534 --> 01:36:42.774
Yeah.

01:36:42.774 --> 01:36:43.314
Seems like it.

01:36:44.159 --> 01:36:44.520
I don't know.

01:36:45.520 --> 01:36:46.810
I'm, I'm a cynic about all of it.

01:36:46.859 --> 01:36:49.359
So I'm probably gonna vote for Kanye again.

01:36:50.319 --> 01:36:58.899
He's not on the ballot, but I'll write him in, I don't know, maybe RFK, should they just, they should just add RFK to the Trump vote totals.

01:37:02.109 --> 01:37:05.579
They're not even letting him off the ballot in Michigan and Pennsylvania.

01:37:07.420 --> 01:37:08.569
Um, which is interesting.

01:37:09.420 --> 01:37:10.819
You've talked enough about politics?

01:37:11.569 --> 01:37:12.079
I have.

01:37:14.130 --> 01:37:18.250
You're walking a very good line of being conservative, but not stance taking.

01:37:19.069 --> 01:37:20.770
Do you want to share your loco experience?

01:37:21.189 --> 01:37:21.880
Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:37:22.965 --> 01:37:28.255
Yeah, when I started, I was, yeah, my marine solar business was pretty small, I think, right?

01:37:28.255 --> 01:37:29.265
It was just a Sure.

01:37:29.864 --> 01:37:32.345
Well, no, and this isn't your local think tank experience.

01:37:32.345 --> 01:37:37.354
This is really your, this is the craziest experience that you're willing to share with our listeners.

01:37:37.385 --> 01:37:38.465
That's the plan.

01:37:38.895 --> 01:37:39.975
Just my life experience.

01:37:40.484 --> 01:37:41.215
But it is true.

01:37:41.215 --> 01:37:45.335
Your local experience has been, I mean, you definitely have doubled your business like 10 times since then.

01:37:45.335 --> 01:37:45.524
Doubled, yeah.

01:37:46.395 --> 01:37:48.465
Doubled and then doubled and doubled again and doubled again.

01:37:48.465 --> 01:37:48.625
Yeah.

01:37:48.625 --> 01:37:48.904
Yeah.

01:37:48.905 --> 01:37:49.145
Yeah.

01:37:49.545 --> 01:38:06.109
Yeah, thanks much and parts of Moses and mostly you're good decision But tell me about a crazy experience that you're willing to share with our listeners You had this this big peak that I climbed in Nepal was it was a big deal So 20, 000 plus?

01:38:06.229 --> 01:38:13.210
Yeah, so we hiked in, yeah it was, it's like a, so I'm taking my whole, so I went when I was 30 and I climbed this big peak, I went when I was 40 for our honeymoon.

01:38:13.380 --> 01:38:13.750
Oh.

01:38:14.000 --> 01:38:21.100
And then 50 I got COVIDed, but we're going again and, you know, I'm taking the whole family in, uh, November.

01:38:21.380 --> 01:38:24.250
We're all going to Nepal and trekking and everything.

01:38:24.350 --> 01:38:26.680
Okay, so the same place you went when you were 30?

01:38:26.899 --> 01:38:27.220
Yep.

01:38:27.409 --> 01:38:27.800
Okay.

01:38:27.850 --> 01:38:28.090
Yep.

01:38:28.800 --> 01:38:29.449
How old are you?

01:38:29.720 --> 01:38:30.500
I'm fifty four.

01:38:30.560 --> 01:38:31.159
Are you really?

01:38:31.279 --> 01:38:31.529
Yeah.

01:38:31.579 --> 01:38:33.079
Oh, I thought you were a little younger than me.

01:38:33.390 --> 01:38:34.020
That sucks.

01:38:34.149 --> 01:38:34.720
How old are you?

01:38:34.770 --> 01:38:35.630
I just turned fifty.

01:38:35.930 --> 01:38:36.420
Oh, okay.

01:38:36.460 --> 01:38:36.890
Yeah.

01:38:37.210 --> 01:38:37.579
Nice.

01:38:37.689 --> 01:38:37.939
Yeah.

01:38:38.329 --> 01:38:38.560
You know.

01:38:38.560 --> 01:38:39.039
Happy birthday.

01:38:39.060 --> 01:38:42.920
My hair is better, but, you know, you hike a lot more, so.

01:38:43.850 --> 01:38:45.529
I've got this instead of what you got.

01:38:47.819 --> 01:38:53.829
So we hiked, so we hiked for what, two weeks to get to the base camp, then we, and I was with my buddy.

01:38:53.840 --> 01:38:54.300
Wow.

01:38:54.630 --> 01:38:56.819
Who was in Africa, who had been in Africa.

01:38:56.850 --> 01:38:59.920
So we got it, so we, then we.

01:39:00.520 --> 01:39:04.539
Set up, went to the base camp, set up the tent, got up at 3 a.

01:39:04.539 --> 01:39:10.510
m., hiked up, my buddy got sick, went, went back to the tea house, which was like 10 hours away.

01:39:10.619 --> 01:39:13.529
Right, but it was a couple thousand feet lower elevation or something.

01:39:13.569 --> 01:39:15.140
Yeah, yeah, and lower elevation.

01:39:15.140 --> 01:39:15.520
Whoa.

01:39:15.609 --> 01:39:39.734
Better beds and And then we got to, we, there were two huge, and then we got to, and then we got out on, we put our crampons on, got out onto the snow, two huge Seracs, and uh, which are huge snow, like hundred foot snow towers, and then a crevasse, a big crevasse in front of us, so scary, like I almost peed my pants, and I, I had to like, mentally calm down and get myself under control.

01:39:39.734 --> 01:39:41.574
And we turned around, it was just the two of us.

01:39:41.824 --> 01:39:49.854
We were the first people to summit in, uh, except for we didn't summit that day, but we did the next day, um, in 2000, first people in the new millennia.

01:39:51.074 --> 01:39:51.345
Yeah.

01:39:51.345 --> 01:39:54.914
So I was the first guy to stand on the summit of Island Peak.

01:39:55.689 --> 01:39:57.909
In, uh, whatever, in the new millennia, in 2000.

01:39:57.979 --> 01:39:58.590
Yeah, yeah.

01:39:58.779 --> 01:40:00.729
So it was in May, or February of 2000.

01:40:00.789 --> 01:40:04.489
And you're, you're talking about, like, traversing crevasses and stuff like that?

01:40:04.649 --> 01:40:04.869
Yeah.

01:40:04.869 --> 01:40:05.699
You're gonna bring your children there?

01:40:06.479 --> 01:40:07.850
Uh, we won't do that part.

01:40:07.930 --> 01:40:08.189
Okay.

01:40:09.529 --> 01:40:09.680
Alright.

01:40:10.949 --> 01:40:11.979
We'll just do a trail.

01:40:12.670 --> 01:40:15.329
We'll just, a dirt trail and we'll pay, we'll pay a big deal.

01:40:15.329 --> 01:40:15.869
Gotcha, okay.

01:40:16.529 --> 01:40:17.409
Unless we get that far.

01:40:17.409 --> 01:40:19.359
Maybe we, no, no, unlikely.

01:40:19.420 --> 01:40:22.289
So then the next day we go back and then there were some Japanese guys.

01:40:22.850 --> 01:40:25.199
And we went, we went a different route.

01:40:26.010 --> 01:40:28.520
And the, uh, Did you have guides and stuff?

01:40:28.550 --> 01:40:29.520
I had a Sherpa.

01:40:29.520 --> 01:40:30.300
I had a Sherpa with me.

01:40:30.300 --> 01:40:31.520
And we were roped together.

01:40:31.770 --> 01:40:34.750
And he had a little carabiner that said not for climbing use on it.

01:40:34.760 --> 01:40:36.329
Like a little tiny carabiner.

01:40:36.329 --> 01:40:36.970
Like when you buy it.

01:40:36.970 --> 01:40:38.800
Yeah, exactly.

01:40:38.909 --> 01:40:39.529
Exactly.

01:40:40.250 --> 01:40:42.845
And then we, and then picture like a seven, like, Yeah, exactly.

01:40:43.585 --> 01:40:50.244
A 700 foot, uh, ice, ice glacier flowing off of a cliff, and then there was a little piece broken off.

01:40:50.595 --> 01:40:54.010
He jumped out onto that piece, it was maybe A foot and a half wide.

01:40:54.319 --> 01:40:54.930
Climbed up it.

01:40:54.930 --> 01:40:55.960
I jumped off after him.

01:40:55.960 --> 01:40:56.529
Climbed up it.

01:40:57.029 --> 01:41:02.779
Went across a huge thing and then I had my water bottle froze solid for the, so I had no water all day.

01:41:03.329 --> 01:41:05.430
Hiked across, jumped across another crevasse.

01:41:05.579 --> 01:41:11.970
Some went up the, oh he was supposed to tie a rope and he, he, for this last ascent.

01:41:12.479 --> 01:41:13.420
Up the steep face.

01:41:13.420 --> 01:41:14.329
And he said, Oh, you're fine.

01:41:14.359 --> 01:41:14.810
You're good.

01:41:14.810 --> 01:41:17.880
You, you, you, you've been doing pretty good all day.

01:41:19.590 --> 01:41:21.739
And I don't really want you to fall on me.

01:41:21.810 --> 01:41:24.699
I don't really want to, and I don't feel like setting the road for you.

01:41:24.699 --> 01:41:26.149
So you're, you look like you're doing fine.

01:41:26.710 --> 01:41:31.380
So, uh, so we went up, summited, whatever, got a picture and I look so scared in the picture.

01:41:32.310 --> 01:41:33.250
Not that I get scared.

01:41:33.250 --> 01:41:35.689
I'm a really tough guy, but I was scared at that moment.

01:41:36.050 --> 01:41:38.029
And then, uh, no, I'm kidding.

01:41:38.050 --> 01:41:38.460
And then.

01:41:39.005 --> 01:41:41.284
Then, but then you're only halfway there when you're at the summit.

01:41:41.284 --> 01:41:41.555
Right?

01:41:41.555 --> 01:41:43.564
Then you gotta, we have to re we have to repeat that.

01:41:43.564 --> 01:41:50.975
So we jump back, go back down the steep section, jump across, go back across grass, all these things go thing down, down, down to anyone else.

01:41:50.975 --> 01:41:53.015
Did he let you hook up to him on the way down that?

01:41:53.074 --> 01:41:53.375
Yeah.

01:41:53.524 --> 01:42:03.694
So then we get back to cab mandu, so then we, whatever trick back we get back to Cab Mandu and I bought him a, I bought him a real harness, a real carabiner a real, all, all this stuff.

01:42:03.904 --> 01:42:05.255
His name was Ming Ma.

01:42:05.614 --> 01:42:07.854
Which means Thursday, because he was born on Thursday.

01:42:07.904 --> 01:42:08.354
Okay.

01:42:09.055 --> 01:42:09.574
I like it.

01:42:09.604 --> 01:42:10.645
That's a pretty cool experience.

01:42:10.645 --> 01:42:15.234
Yeah, it was really cool of him too, because I don't know, I was Yeah, he got me to the top, right?

01:42:15.335 --> 01:42:15.664
Right.

01:42:15.664 --> 01:42:16.175
Super impressive.

01:42:16.255 --> 01:42:16.635
Right.

01:42:16.694 --> 01:42:18.654
Was it his first time taking somebody?

01:42:19.095 --> 01:42:20.914
No, Tony, you've been up lots of times, right?

01:42:20.916 --> 01:42:24.935
I've never had to use his not for climbing use carabiner before.

01:42:25.175 --> 01:42:27.074
I know, I bet he's used it before.

01:42:27.595 --> 01:42:28.534
I thought that was really neat.

01:42:28.845 --> 01:42:30.534
He could have been like, oh, you look scared.

01:42:30.555 --> 01:42:31.454
Why don't we go back home?

01:42:31.755 --> 01:42:31.914
Yeah.

01:42:31.935 --> 01:42:33.515
No, but he's like, no, let's go to the summit.

01:42:33.515 --> 01:42:34.244
Like, you can do it.

01:42:34.305 --> 01:42:35.095
You got, you have the power.

01:42:35.564 --> 01:42:36.465
He called it the power.

01:42:36.465 --> 01:42:37.425
You have, you have power.

01:42:37.435 --> 01:42:38.685
You have plenty of power left.

01:42:38.765 --> 01:42:39.215
Yeah, yeah.

01:42:39.505 --> 01:42:42.225
So I'm like, okay, we did and we did it.

01:42:42.494 --> 01:42:42.814
Cool.

01:42:42.965 --> 01:42:43.234
Yeah.

01:42:43.435 --> 01:42:44.074
What a fun story.

01:42:44.234 --> 01:42:47.185
So, um, custom marine products.

01:42:47.585 --> 01:42:48.604
com or something.

01:42:48.604 --> 01:42:49.255
That's it.

01:42:49.965 --> 01:42:52.755
Well, we have a whole bunch of new customers.

01:42:52.944 --> 01:42:54.295
We also own custom marine seller.

01:42:54.454 --> 01:42:54.645
com.

01:42:54.645 --> 01:42:56.175
So that'll swing you back around.

01:42:56.185 --> 01:42:57.675
Do you have custom van products?

01:42:58.055 --> 01:42:58.555
Custom what?

01:42:58.645 --> 01:42:59.465
Van products.

01:42:59.675 --> 01:42:59.914
com.

01:43:00.024 --> 01:43:00.725
Oh, we don't.

01:43:01.324 --> 01:43:02.145
That's a great call.

01:43:02.164 --> 01:43:03.744
I'm going to go buy it if it's available.

01:43:04.765 --> 01:43:05.944
So sell it to me.

01:43:06.154 --> 01:43:07.414
I'll sell it to you for a good price.

01:43:09.659 --> 01:43:10.180
Thanks, Tom.

01:43:10.430 --> 01:43:10.850
It's been fun.