EXPERIENCE 184 | Finding Great People and Building Strong Teams with Trish Bowen-Bannister and Isaac Bowen, President and General Manager of Snelling Staffing Agency of Northern Colorado, and (Isaac) Principal of Benchmark Search Group

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Bannister started her career in education, grew quickly in the field, and spent many years as the director of education for Weston Distance Learning in Fort Collins, a role very similar to the role my wife currently fills for the same organization.

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She later became campus president of another local education organization, but was keen to leave after a new CEO created a less than enjoyable work environment.

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Despite having no previous interest in running or owning a business, she found herself looking at the local Snelling Staffing franchise for sale, And with encouragement from her then boyfriend, now husband, she took the leap and became the owner and president of Snelling Staffing of Northern Colorado in April of 2015.

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Trish's previous work developing training and education plans helped to build a culture of service and learning in the organization, and many of her earliest employees are still there today.

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Isaac Bowen, her son, started soon after the acquisition on a part time basis as a recruiting assistant, but was mostly focused on his restaurant career.

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However, when the COVID crisis hit the industry, and customer traffic and his personal income fell off, he was eager to find a new challenge.

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He quickly became one of the best recruiters and business developers to ever join the team, a role they had struggled with, and they've grown in size and scope since his full time arrival.

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Isaac has also been building an adjacent search business for specialty trades, benchmark search group.

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Lots of good stuff in this one team dynamics, cultural awareness, hiring trends, industry ethics, and generational opportunities and transition.

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This mother and son have a great dynamic, each allowing and encouraging the other to do well, what they do best for the furtherance of their business and the service of client needs.

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It's a peek behind the curtain of an often misunderstood industry.

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So join, if you will, and enjoy my conversation with Trish Bowen Bannister and Isaac Bowen.

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Welcome back to the Loco Experience podcast.

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My guests today are Trish Bowen Bannister and Isaac Bowen.

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And Trish is the president of Snelling of Northern Colorado.

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Isaac is the general manager.

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As well as the principle of benchmark staffing solutions.

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No, benchmark search group.

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Yep, yep.

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Benchmark search group.

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We can edit that out.

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Does that matter to you?

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We won't, actually.

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Yeah, we don't do that.

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Close enough.

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Thanks for being here.

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Thanks for having us.

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Yeah, for sure.

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Um, let's just, uh, start by setting the, the stage a little bit.

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Trish, uh, tell me about Snelling Staffing Solutions.

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What do you do today?

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What do we do today?

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Yeah.

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For who?

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We, we work for our clients.

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Um, clients tell us what specific niches that they need filled, certain skill sets, um, and we go out and recruit and find those people.

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Okay.

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Um, we do temp to hire and direct hire.

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Not a lot of the temp stuff that Snelling and Snelling back from 75 years ago is known for.

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So not like the, like I had two people not show up.

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I need two people today.

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You don't do much of that.

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It's more, it's almost like a screen finding service, but also a screening service, the temp to hire is like, I can have them on a temp basis.

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Instead of me hiring them, you can hire them.

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And then if they suck.

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Correct.

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It's kind of a try before you buy.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But we go out and find them.

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We go, we recruit.

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We do an onboarding meeting with them to find out culturally what they're looking for, hard skills.

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And then we go find them.

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We do a lot of what we call passive recruiting.

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So it's not just posting an ad and post and pray, as they say.

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You're kind of a, out there, hey, you person working for this software company, Do you want to work for this other better software company?

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Sometimes.

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I've been recruited before.

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I get it.

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Lots of special techniques probably.

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Um, so that's your main service.

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It's our main bread and butter.

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And, uh, what's your team?

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Who's your team?

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Right now it's myself and Isaac, the general manager, and we have, uh, Uh, Michelle Jabs has been with us for eight years.

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She's an executive recruiter.

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I've met Michelle before.

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I think you've also met Melanie Ecker.

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She's been with us nine years as of yesterday.

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Oh, wow.

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Congratulations, Melanie.

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She's also a great recruiter.

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Great with client relations.

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Um, then we have Katrina Sellers, who has been with us four years as of Saturday.

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There's something about hiring in August for us.

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I guess so.

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This is a busy season coming up.

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Not, I don't, I mean, not any busier than normal.

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It just, for some reason, we get all these great people during August.

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Yeah, your August anniversary budget like blows up for the year.

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So we have Katrina.

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She's our recruiting administrator.

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She does a lot of our sourcing.

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And then Bennett Richardson has been with us for three years and two weeks.

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He is a recruiter, little rock star.

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Everybody knows Bennett once they've met him.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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And we have a new hire coming on tomorrow.

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And that's kind of the business, right?

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You got kind of these people out there doing the recruiting thing.

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Yeah, pretty much.

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And then they get a cut, and you get a cut, and Snelling gets a cut.

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I assume it's a Snelling does get a cut.

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Tell me about, uh They're probably going to hear that, too.

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Sorry, Snelling, yeah.

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That's okay.

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That's why we have the name.

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Franchisors know that they've been hired.

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are resented by their franchises, resented and loved.

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Exactly.

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Generally.

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We actually do, we have a great relationship with them as well, but it is a little tough to, you know, do that ACH every month.

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Every time.

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Yeah, it's the way it is, though.

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And Isaac, tell me about Benchmark, um.

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Sort of search group.

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How is that different than Snelling?

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So benchmark search group is a construction exclusive direct hire search firm.

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So as opposed to Snelling being kind of industry agnostic, you know, we do have our areas of specialization.

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Benchmark serves exclusively the construction industry.

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So you don't do the temp hire.

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That's correct.

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We don't payroll anybody except for internal staff.

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I see.

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Okay.

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And is that just a, A simpler model is something to build outside of the Snelling umbrella that they didn't really do.

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Like, do they get mad at you for doing this?

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Is that allowed?

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Um, I'm not on the franchise agreement for Snelling.

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Oh, I see.

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Okay.

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So, yeah, I don't have any ownership or equity in Snelling.

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So you don't have any obligation there.

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Correct.

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So having 100 percent ownership over Benchmark, there's not a conflict.

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Gotcha.

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Gotcha.

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Okay.

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Um, Trish, back to you.

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Uh, how'd you get into this?

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Like, uh, what was the, we'll go back into your life journey a little bit more later, but like, what, Got you interested in the staffing industry.

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It's a good and interesting question.

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Um, I was in education for many years and my last position in education, um, was going swimmingly and then they hired somebody, a new COO that made it challenging.

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Yes, yes, yes.

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So we don't use that kind of language, right?

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It's okay.

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So long story short, um, my fiance, who's at the time is now my husband, uh, We both agreed that in order for me to have my sanity and live in an additional 10 years that I was going to leave that company, um, and figure out what I wanted to do.

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So I did some consulting.

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I've done some curriculum, you know, consulting and things like that while I continue to look for what I wanted to do.

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And I'd been like a campus president and curriculum development and that kind of thing.

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So the offers that I had were like in Denver and Boulder.

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I was not interested in this.

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Right.

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Employers hardly.

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If they needed somebody, they had them already.

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And I didn't want to drive again because I was already going to Greeley and I had high school kids.

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And so one day when I'm, you know, doing my little consulting work, I just looked at businesses for sale.

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I have no idea why.

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There was never, ever an inkling that I ever wanted to own a business because it was terrifying.

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But I saw a staffing firm for sale, and I kind of figured out it was Snelling, and I started thinking about it.

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My husband, Deontay at the time, came home, and I told him, and he didn't look at me like I was crazy.

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We, we weren't even engaged yet.

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Like, this is just a very good boyfriend, right?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Um.

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He, he.

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As opposed to what?

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Well, that's a good question.

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She had some bad boyfriends between there too.

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I kissed a lot of frogs, you can admit it.

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I got, I got a good one.

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I'll let you continue.

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Oh, you were, you were like a teenager while your mom was hunting, yeah.

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Interesting.

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Oh, it worked very much, very much to my benefit.

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She was preoccupied with it.

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Right, you could do whatever you want.

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Oh boy.

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Yeah, there's some stories, but I keep hearing them even 10, 15 years later, a little bit at a time.

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Maybe, maybe we'll share some way.

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Maybe.

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Probably.

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Maybe.

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Um, so, so you were like, you're like, maybe this isn't a dumb idea.

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You know, cause I knew P and L's and new operations.

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I knew how to hire.

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I knew nothing about the staffing industry.

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Not at all.

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Not a dang thing.

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Um, so anyway, due diligence started.

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I traveled to talk to all those, you know, people that I used, that I know that are in a Snelling franchise or looked them up, became to know them, came to know them.

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And did the due diligence by going to corporate.

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Long story short, we got two loans.

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We each dumped some money over 401k into it and we this boyfriend?

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Yeah, the boyfriend.

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Okay.

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We got engaged pretty soon after that.

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Right.

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Um, thank goodness because he was crazy to do that.

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But yeah, so he is part owner.

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He's just a silent owner.

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Gotcha.

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Gotcha.

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Which is perfect.

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Yeah, perfect.

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He's there for when I need him.

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Um, yeah, so that's, that's how we landed it.

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Fifteen is when we bought it.

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Okay.

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April.

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So we started the due diligence in fall of 2014.

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Okay.

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So it took a while to get through it and get it done.

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Yep.

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I started with the guy that had it, um, had had it for 20 years.

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Great guy.

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We had a wonderful client base.

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It was quite small.

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He'd been looking to retire for a while.

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So we really just took it from very small to where it is now.

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You saw a lot of upside kind of.

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Oh yeah.

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Yeah.

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I had, we did a lot of trial and error, had no idea what we were doing.

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Didn't have a lot of corporate support at the time.

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Um, I did a lot of buddy, buddy with some franchisees around the country that taught me a lot.

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Oh, right.

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Yeah.

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So that's, they were kind of my mentors and how we got going.

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So yeah.

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Oh, I dig it.

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Yeah.

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And was, was your boyfriend now fiance involved at all?

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No, he's always been on the financial side.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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He's a construction super.

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So okay.

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He he's a very good person to go to he yeah He's got a lot of that back in knowledge for 30 years.

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So yeah fair enough and Isaac You're how old are you or how old were you at this time in 2015?

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I'm 28 now That would have been nine years ago.

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So it would have been 19 years old.

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So yeah, you're you're kind of just getting out of high school and stuff.

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And what did you like?

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Uh What was that to you?

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Was that meaningful at all?

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That Iran was going to quit this?

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Because I really don't think of educators as being likely business owners very often, if I'm honest.

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But you're right.

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You had the right skill set.

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You had hiring, administration, operations.

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It sucked at sales, though.

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Well, yeah.

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That's why you hired her for that.

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Yeah.

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No, to answer your question, in all honesty, you know, I was 19.

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I was pretty self absorbed at the time.

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You were barely noticed.

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No, she seemed confident and happy, and that's all I really cared about.

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What was your place in life?

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Were you like in college?

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Did you go away for college?

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I went to CSU here in town.

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All right.

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So, originally from Fort Collins, went to Rocky Mountain High School, um, and then I was going into CSU in 2015.

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I think I would have been a freshman.

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So, yeah.

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No, you graduated in 14.

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Yeah, you're right.

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Yeah, I would have been a sophomore.

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Sophomore already?

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So Living or not living at home, I assume.

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You had your own No, we didn't see him a lot back then.

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thing, like, whatever going on.

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Just when I needed a home cooked meal or something.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And when did you, um, join the company?

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So I'd always been in and around it since she purchased it.

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You know, it was usually a summer job, part time here and there, uh, you know, attending it, doing what, like mostly, mostly business development, like local drop offs to businesses.

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I'd attend events on their behalf.

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Sometimes I do some, uh, go represent.

00:11:47.873 --> 00:11:48.462
Exactly.

00:11:48.462 --> 00:11:55.373
Yeah, I do some light recruiting work, you know, uh, pre screen scheduling interviews, following up on administrative stuff, stuff like that.

00:11:55.373 --> 00:11:55.763
Okay.

00:11:55.822 --> 00:11:58.403
And then it was, uh, 2020, it was 2020.

00:11:58.423 --> 00:12:04.312
Yeah, that's, that's a good segue, actually.

00:12:04.312 --> 00:12:06.043
So I was bartending all through college.

00:12:06.123 --> 00:12:06.523
Okay.

00:12:06.572 --> 00:12:11.562
Um, and, and if you've ever worked in the restaurant industry, if you don't have any other outside perspective.

00:12:12.437 --> 00:12:14.758
You think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

00:12:14.758 --> 00:12:16.337
It's like, you know, I worked in a restaurant.

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Yeah.

00:12:16.677 --> 00:12:19.118
You, you, you don't, you don't go to work till four.

00:12:19.118 --> 00:12:20.697
You work maybe five or six hours.

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You leave with a few hundred dollars in cash.

00:12:22.238 --> 00:12:25.687
You get to hang out at the bar and drink with your friends that work there too.

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Afterwards.

00:12:26.457 --> 00:12:26.998
Exactly.

00:12:27.317 --> 00:12:27.898
You eat for free.

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You drink for borderline free.

00:12:29.937 --> 00:12:33.057
If not free, you can sleep as late as you want.

00:12:33.057 --> 00:12:36.258
And you repeat, talk about the instant gratification of the cash.

00:12:36.258 --> 00:12:36.447
Yeah.

00:12:36.447 --> 00:12:39.538
Until you're 45 and you have no other skills.

00:12:39.658 --> 00:12:40.878
Um, that's really compelling.

00:12:41.158 --> 00:12:44.518
Well, and in that regard, COVID was a blessing, because I was still bartending.

00:12:44.518 --> 00:12:48.727
You got chased out of the industry instead of having to let your body tell you it was time to leave.

00:12:48.768 --> 00:12:49.508
Exactly.

00:12:49.548 --> 00:12:50.238
Exactly.

00:12:50.238 --> 00:12:51.258
So, uh, yeah.

00:12:51.298 --> 00:12:52.307
So where were you bartending?

00:12:52.437 --> 00:12:53.408
Outback Steakhouse.

00:12:53.437 --> 00:12:53.957
Okay.

00:12:54.378 --> 00:12:54.817
I like it.

00:12:54.957 --> 00:12:55.548
It was great.

00:12:55.567 --> 00:12:56.248
It was a great gig.

00:12:56.278 --> 00:12:57.187
Yeah, probably.

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It's, uh, Fast Turns.

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Fast Turns is a full service bar, right?

00:13:02.408 --> 00:13:05.217
So it's not like you're just slinging drinks and getting a dollar a drink as a tip.

00:13:05.217 --> 00:13:08.238
You know, when people are spending 100, 150 bucks at a bar.

00:13:08.712 --> 00:13:11.513
Sitting at the bar, rather, you know, getting full meals and checks were good.

00:13:11.513 --> 00:13:13.072
And, oh, right.

00:13:13.273 --> 00:13:14.102
That helps a lot too.

00:13:14.102 --> 00:13:14.393
Right.

00:13:14.393 --> 00:13:17.352
Cause you're not just slinging drinks, have a 40 tab.

00:13:17.352 --> 00:13:19.393
You got 150 tab you're getting 20 percent off.

00:13:19.482 --> 00:13:20.072
Exactly.

00:13:20.092 --> 00:13:20.572
Oh, cool.

00:13:20.663 --> 00:13:20.942
Yep.

00:13:20.972 --> 00:13:21.253
Yep.

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And of course there was lots of good food and stuff that came with that as well.

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It's probably 50 or 60 additional pounds.

00:13:27.528 --> 00:13:39.528
But, but we got rid of those and, uh, but yeah, it's, uh, so in, in May of 2020, uh, after sitting on, um, I guess all the COVID unemployment and exciting stuff that came with that.

00:13:39.528 --> 00:13:40.908
Burned some of that up for a little while.

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Yeah.

00:13:41.357 --> 00:13:41.528
Yeah.

00:13:41.528 --> 00:13:47.758
I realized that that was incredibly unfulfilling and I needed to do something and you'd always, you'd always had a interest in me joining the business.

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I was encouraged.

00:13:48.957 --> 00:13:49.258
Yeah.

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But it wasn't, it couldn't be my, I wasn't going to push.

00:13:52.807 --> 00:13:53.038
Yeah.

00:13:53.118 --> 00:13:53.427
Yeah.

00:13:53.557 --> 00:13:54.298
So, uh.

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So yeah, come, come May 2020, you know, I realized that I might kind of have a, have an eye and ear for the whole people thing, right, by function of bartending and just kind of who it was a person and business development was always an area that, uh, I think Snelly had effectively kind of struggled to hire for, you'd had a few business development folks that, you know, Came and went, uh, some, some, some with more success than others.

00:14:19.572 --> 00:14:22.743
Uh, and so a lot of spitting in the wind, mostly with not success, mostly.

00:14:22.842 --> 00:14:23.092
Yeah.

00:14:24.572 --> 00:14:27.913
And so, uh, that wasn't something that scared me or something that actually got me pretty excited.

00:14:27.913 --> 00:14:31.283
So I came on in 2020 as a, the business development manager.

00:14:31.342 --> 00:14:33.658
So I was exclusively client facing there for awhile.

00:14:34.148 --> 00:14:43.437
And that means you're going out to employers that might want to do this kind of attempt to hire kind of a But it was mostly phone at that point because nobody was letting you in their facility.

00:14:43.447 --> 00:14:44.138
Right, right.

00:14:44.548 --> 00:14:45.217
That's a good point.

00:14:45.238 --> 00:14:48.807
And, and, cause I, I had effectively no training, right?

00:14:48.807 --> 00:14:53.618
So Snell Incorporate, Snell Incorporate, and that's, that's not a knock on you by any means, but Yeah.

00:14:53.677 --> 00:14:56.148
You know, Snell Incorporate actually went through like two different acquisitions.

00:14:56.148 --> 00:15:00.927
One of which was, or two acquisitions recently, one of which was I think during that period.

00:15:01.727 --> 00:15:02.398
Right after.

00:15:02.427 --> 00:15:03.077
Right after.

00:15:03.077 --> 00:15:03.988
The good one that we're in now.

00:15:04.548 --> 00:15:17.477
It's a long story short, there wasn't a whole lot of resources, but in a sense, thinking about it in retrospect, I think that weird COVID lull was a little bit of a blessing for me in my learning curve because yeah, it was mostly phone oriented.

00:15:17.477 --> 00:15:18.538
You couldn't do much in person.

00:15:19.312 --> 00:15:20.503
But everybody had a lot of patience.

00:15:20.503 --> 00:15:21.283
I don't know if you remember that.

00:15:21.293 --> 00:15:22.352
Everybody had time on their hands.

00:15:22.352 --> 00:15:26.873
And I was, I just spent 20 minutes on the phone with a recruiter.

00:15:26.873 --> 00:15:27.712
I was so bored.

00:15:27.832 --> 00:15:31.087
Yeah, no, seriously, Kurt, everybody picked up the phone.

00:15:31.087 --> 00:15:32.212
Yes, I'll take your survey.

00:15:32.403 --> 00:15:33.508
Everybody picked up the phone.

00:15:33.508 --> 00:15:34.113
For a dollar?

00:15:34.113 --> 00:15:35.332
Yeah, I'll take it for a dollar.

00:15:35.832 --> 00:15:36.592
I'll do it for free.

00:15:36.592 --> 00:15:37.607
I just want to talk to somebody.

00:15:37.607 --> 00:15:45.592
It was great because I got the reps in at a rate much faster than somebody could entering the industry now, because now, I mean, our connection rate on phone calls is, I mean, under 20%.

00:15:45.663 --> 00:15:45.993
Yeah.

00:15:46.538 --> 00:15:47.768
It's probably much less than that.

00:15:47.768 --> 00:15:50.918
I actually haven't looked recently, but then it was damn near a hundred.

00:15:51.638 --> 00:15:53.577
So, so everybody I call, I got to talk to.

00:15:53.577 --> 00:15:53.878
Yeah.

00:15:54.197 --> 00:16:04.758
You're like, you let a few deals that you spend an hour on or two hours on and you're like, Oh, I just got paid 1, 200 for an hour or something.

00:16:04.758 --> 00:16:12.778
I don't know what your rates of commission are or whatever, but you get a chunk when you, when you plant, when you land somebody that goes to a permanent hire, I imagine.

00:16:12.888 --> 00:16:13.508
Sure, sure.

00:16:13.508 --> 00:16:14.447
Yeah, absolutely.

00:16:14.447 --> 00:16:14.827
So.

00:16:15.638 --> 00:16:19.168
Yeah, no, the, the learning curve was much shorter than I think it would have been otherwise.

00:16:19.927 --> 00:16:26.778
And, uh, it was going pretty well, um, was initially focusing on kind of building that temp to hire business just cause it's all we knew at the time.

00:16:27.648 --> 00:16:29.418
Uh, direct hire, in my opinion, is a lot more fun.

00:16:29.418 --> 00:16:33.427
It's a lot more lucrative and it's actually a lot easier to sell cause you're having higher level conversations with higher level people.

00:16:33.488 --> 00:16:33.998
Yeah.

00:16:34.138 --> 00:16:35.677
Um, career oriented.

00:16:35.947 --> 00:16:36.827
That's been developed.

00:16:37.298 --> 00:16:37.857
Portion.

00:16:37.857 --> 00:16:43.357
You've kind of dropped the temp temp as you've expanded the direct hire.

00:16:43.488 --> 00:16:43.878
Right.

00:16:45.307 --> 00:16:49.567
Um, which is kind of more of the classic executive recruiting, not executives per se.

00:16:49.567 --> 00:16:57.998
It's more some executives, but a lot more rank and file and accountants or whatever, construction workers, things like that.

00:16:58.187 --> 00:17:04.843
It's funny you say that Kurt, because that's everybody's first move when they, uh, They enter the, what we call kind of the search side of the world.

00:17:04.843 --> 00:17:08.192
As they say, they now have an executive search division, which we did.

00:17:08.192 --> 00:17:08.584
Right.

00:17:08.584 --> 00:17:10.462
We've now pivoted away from that term.

00:17:10.462 --> 00:17:12.252
Yeah.

00:17:12.252 --> 00:17:18.833
While, while we do recruit a handful of executives, the majority is mid level three in the C suite and 150 at the mid level management.

00:17:18.853 --> 00:17:20.073
It just sounds fancy.

00:17:20.073 --> 00:17:20.353
Right.

00:17:20.383 --> 00:17:20.722
Right.

00:17:20.762 --> 00:17:22.853
That was, that was the trap we fell into at first.

00:17:22.873 --> 00:17:23.393
Fair enough.

00:17:23.512 --> 00:17:23.792
Fair enough.

00:17:24.752 --> 00:17:24.982
Yeah.

00:17:24.982 --> 00:17:26.742
So, so the direct hire branch started to grow.

00:17:27.113 --> 00:17:28.442
I've always had a passion for construction.

00:17:28.442 --> 00:17:30.032
I like the people there more than anything.

00:17:30.363 --> 00:17:33.942
I've never had to attend a meeting in a suit and tie and I intend to keep it very real, tangible.

00:17:33.992 --> 00:17:35.163
Yes, exactly.

00:17:35.173 --> 00:17:36.462
We build things here.

00:17:36.702 --> 00:17:37.222
Exactly.

00:17:37.222 --> 00:17:38.653
Just true salt of the earth people.

00:17:38.663 --> 00:17:39.403
Just incredible.

00:17:39.413 --> 00:17:47.002
So you find a niche in construction that kind of helped blow up the business a little bit, maybe not blow it up, but at least give it a nice growth trajectory.

00:17:47.633 --> 00:17:48.022
Which.

00:17:48.438 --> 00:18:00.105
I mean, you've grown it already a little bit, you said, Trish, from when you acquired it, but just the, it was a slow process, slower than you wanted it to be, and your business development efforts previously were not effective.

00:18:00.105 --> 00:18:05.244
Efforts were not lacking, it sounds like, it was just the results.

00:18:05.244 --> 00:18:06.958
Efforts were there, yeah.

00:18:07.317 --> 00:18:09.107
It definitely takes time.

00:18:09.107 --> 00:18:10.748
It's not something that happens right away.

00:18:10.968 --> 00:18:12.048
You can even speak to this.

00:18:12.107 --> 00:18:12.718
Yeah, what is it?

00:18:12.897 --> 00:18:14.887
to somebody for you, how do you win in that?

00:18:14.887 --> 00:18:14.948
Yeah.

00:18:14.948 --> 00:18:15.278
Yeah.

00:18:15.307 --> 00:18:16.498
Well, like, is it just, really just?

00:18:16.613 --> 00:18:24.083
Uh, it's a combination of consistency and timing and relationships and relationships.

00:18:24.083 --> 00:18:28.472
Of course, um, relationships determine the quality of the engagement we found.

00:18:28.472 --> 00:18:44.573
It's, it's a function of timing that kind of determines the necessity, um, because there's been times where I've made one phone call and I happen to connect with the right person who is doing the work of three people at that time because he has not been able to find them on his own and the agreement signed the next day and we're in business.

00:18:44.593 --> 00:18:44.942
Right.

00:18:45.262 --> 00:18:46.212
Um, but.

00:18:46.603 --> 00:18:52.323
On the other end of that, we onboarded a client last week that I'd spoken to every month since March of 2023.

00:18:53.732 --> 00:18:57.053
And we hadn't had the opportunity to do business together until last week.

00:18:57.593 --> 00:18:58.512
And so that was special.

00:18:59.083 --> 00:19:09.762
Uh, like, can I get a hint, like, what's the, like, was it just a phone call mostly by you leaving him a voicemail or her, uh, sending an email, doing some other touch?

00:19:10.343 --> 00:19:12.553
Yeah, no, you, you gotta, you gotta hit multiple mediums.

00:19:12.583 --> 00:19:15.012
Run into them here or there at a networking thing.

00:19:15.022 --> 00:19:16.823
Hey, I'll follow up with you next month again.

00:19:16.823 --> 00:19:21.423
Well, and, and our, our industry is like really heavily commoditized, especially right now.

00:19:21.432 --> 00:19:21.613
Right.

00:19:21.613 --> 00:19:24.772
Because Post COVID, you know, there was a huge hiring boom.

00:19:24.782 --> 00:19:26.143
Money was damn near free.

00:19:26.823 --> 00:19:30.282
It was, I mean, 2022 was a banner year for just about everybody in the industry.

00:19:32.432 --> 00:19:35.583
And so I can't remember where I was going with that.

00:19:35.633 --> 00:19:40.383
Well, just where the margins are, the relationships and actually, yeah, how to be successful in your world.

00:19:40.442 --> 00:19:40.792
Right.

00:19:40.792 --> 00:19:51.653
So in 2022, I mean, I don't know the statistics, perhaps Trish does by function of being involved with like a American Staffing Association, but there's a, there's more, more staffing agencies and search firms right now than there ever has been.

00:19:51.663 --> 00:19:52.143
Really?

00:19:52.393 --> 00:19:52.893
Absolutely.

00:19:52.893 --> 00:19:54.002
And it was because people saw.

00:19:54.347 --> 00:19:56.877
How high demand it was in 2022, how lucrative it was.

00:19:57.298 --> 00:20:06.897
Um, and so everybody and their brother through a lot of 23, but the worm was kind of turned here in 24, um, it's definitely been a slower year for the industry as a whole.

00:20:06.988 --> 00:20:09.268
Isn't that such a, how can it go so fast?

00:20:09.873 --> 00:20:13.262
From I can't find anybody to it's a lot easier than it used to be.

00:20:13.333 --> 00:20:24.113
It just doesn't make sense to me How it changes so people need work now because unemployment's a little harder to come by there's no more free money, right?

00:20:24.143 --> 00:20:35.863
Right, so so the workforce is growing a little bit Yeah, oh that makes sense yeah, okay, so when it's Yeah, that's quite a dynamic, huh?

00:20:36.192 --> 00:20:37.613
Can we talk about that a little bit, Trish?

00:20:37.653 --> 00:20:39.053
Like, just the industry dynamics?

00:20:39.053 --> 00:20:43.682
Like, um, what does it determine your ebb and flow?

00:20:43.682 --> 00:20:47.863
In addition to having somebody doing business development that's getting results, right?

00:20:47.863 --> 00:20:49.972
Because that's market share.

00:20:50.452 --> 00:21:00.712
But what I think I'm hearing is that, um, kind of the receptivity of a workforce to being recruited might have a lot to do with it.

00:21:01.692 --> 00:21:02.353
Definitely.

00:21:02.393 --> 00:21:09.728
I would say this year we've had more, of our professional people get an offer and actually end up staying where they are.

00:21:09.798 --> 00:21:15.317
And I think some of that could be related to it being election year, a little fear, nobody knows what's going on.

00:21:16.008 --> 00:21:18.627
Um, we do, we've seen more of that than we have ever.

00:21:18.657 --> 00:21:19.488
Then you get nothing, right?

00:21:20.303 --> 00:21:20.623
Yeah.

00:21:20.623 --> 00:21:21.742
And then you're just the client.

00:21:21.873 --> 00:21:22.883
You know, I got to start over.

00:21:22.883 --> 00:21:23.803
It's like being a realtor.

00:21:23.803 --> 00:21:27.413
You work, you work your butt off until somebody makes an offer.

00:21:27.512 --> 00:21:29.373
Look at this piece of property right here.

00:21:29.673 --> 00:21:30.492
He's so cute.

00:21:30.563 --> 00:21:31.472
And he's got a great personality.

00:21:31.982 --> 00:21:32.002
Yeah.

00:21:32.002 --> 00:21:33.153
He's got everything you want.

00:21:34.083 --> 00:21:35.772
And then they sometimes back off.

00:21:35.813 --> 00:21:36.032
Yeah.

00:21:36.032 --> 00:21:36.343
Yeah.

00:21:36.522 --> 00:21:37.083
But that's okay.

00:21:37.083 --> 00:21:40.623
You'd rather them do that and be honest with themselves than, you know, waste anyone's time.

00:21:40.633 --> 00:21:40.782
Fair.

00:21:40.782 --> 00:21:40.913
Fair.

00:21:40.913 --> 00:21:42.512
So, um.

00:21:44.073 --> 00:21:45.992
Oh, it was like the ebbs and flows of the industry.

00:21:46.002 --> 00:21:46.383
No.

00:21:46.923 --> 00:21:49.682
I wasn't in it in 08, but everybody knows it was a big recession.

00:21:49.682 --> 00:21:54.202
I've got a lot of franchisee buddies that were, and it was a rough couple years.

00:21:54.272 --> 00:21:55.343
I mean, rough.

00:21:55.353 --> 00:21:55.363
Bloodbaths.

00:21:55.383 --> 00:21:56.512
Nobody was hiring.

00:21:57.262 --> 00:21:57.962
Right, right.

00:21:57.982 --> 00:21:59.762
We have not felt that by any stretch.

00:21:59.762 --> 00:22:04.863
But what I'll say is most of our clients now are wanting niched skill sets.

00:22:04.873 --> 00:22:04.903
Okay.

00:22:04.913 --> 00:22:08.952
Whereas in a, in a 22 year, it I need a warm body.

00:22:08.952 --> 00:22:08.968
Right.

00:22:09.488 --> 00:22:09.798
Yep.

00:22:09.857 --> 00:22:10.748
A little bit more of that.

00:22:10.748 --> 00:22:15.198
Oh, so you have to work a little harder to make sure you're niching in 2022.

00:22:15.198 --> 00:22:15.567
Yeah, yeah.

00:22:15.587 --> 00:22:17.718
To get the, not even quite the same results.

00:22:17.928 --> 00:22:20.468
Because our, our jobs are more difficult, they're more niched.

00:22:20.508 --> 00:22:20.897
Yeah.

00:22:21.028 --> 00:22:23.147
I realize now, Isaac, I kind of cut you off.

00:22:23.157 --> 00:22:28.488
Like, you've talked about relationships was one big thing that attributed to your success over time.

00:22:28.488 --> 00:22:30.157
Consistency, how do you stay consistent?

00:22:30.788 --> 00:22:31.883
Like, do you just have a, a plan?

00:22:32.393 --> 00:22:36.903
CRM system that sends you a dinger every month that says, did you call Joe yet?

00:22:36.972 --> 00:22:37.702
Pretty much.

00:22:37.742 --> 00:22:37.923
Yeah.

00:22:38.093 --> 00:22:38.432
Pretty much.

00:22:38.633 --> 00:22:38.903
Yeah.

00:22:38.903 --> 00:22:39.202
Yeah.

00:22:39.202 --> 00:22:41.643
Our, our, uh, our applicant tracking system has kind of a.

00:22:42.002 --> 00:22:48.182
Half baked CRM that they integrated, uh, that I can use to at least kind of track leads and, and communication and things like that.

00:22:48.742 --> 00:22:51.613
Um, other than that, it's just a good old to do list.

00:22:51.653 --> 00:22:52.522
What was the third thing?

00:22:52.522 --> 00:22:54.482
Relationship consistency and Timing.

00:22:54.492 --> 00:22:55.053
Timing.

00:22:55.182 --> 00:22:55.782
Timing.

00:22:55.843 --> 00:22:56.123
Timing.

00:22:56.123 --> 00:22:57.182
Timing's the secret sauce.

00:22:57.242 --> 00:23:02.403
And that's where the consistency helps because they, they haven't thought about you once.

00:23:02.512 --> 00:23:03.123
Exactly.

00:23:03.192 --> 00:23:14.718
They've had three other recruitment or staffing agencies attempt to hire firms, contact them, but if you're the one that gets there the closest to the need Then they're going to hire you probably.

00:23:14.817 --> 00:23:15.458
Exactly.

00:23:15.498 --> 00:23:16.958
I heard a great analogy to that.

00:23:16.958 --> 00:23:17.307
Actually.

00:23:17.307 --> 00:23:19.188
It's a, like a mechanic shop, right?

00:23:19.758 --> 00:23:30.147
You, uh, if, if nothing's wrong with your car and you don't need any regular maintenance and a mechanic shop called you every week, you, you, you could, you could love them dearly, right?

00:23:30.208 --> 00:23:33.327
You could think they're the best mechanic shop in the world, but if you don't have a need, it's irrelevant.

00:23:33.327 --> 00:23:37.127
But if you're here from that mechanic shop for a while and all of a sudden it's time for an oil change.

00:23:37.333 --> 00:23:40.573
And you get a coupon in the mail where you might perhaps go where the coupon is.

00:23:40.583 --> 00:23:41.823
Even if you love your mechanic.

00:23:41.893 --> 00:23:42.452
Exactly.

00:23:42.462 --> 00:23:44.682
Because they're just not top of mind and not relevant when you don't have a need.

00:23:44.682 --> 00:23:48.232
So it's really about just staying, staying relevant more than anything.

00:23:48.232 --> 00:23:51.173
So that when the need arises, you're the one they think of.

00:23:52.512 --> 00:23:53.428
So instead of.

00:23:53.978 --> 00:23:57.048
Aside from that timing, why would they think of Snelling here?

00:23:57.077 --> 00:24:03.428
You know, you said you're commoditized, but your favorite customers are the customers that think of you first.

00:24:03.428 --> 00:24:04.637
Why do they, why do they do that?

00:24:05.188 --> 00:24:12.478
I think it's really a function of who we are as people, because at the end of the day, we're, we're a service business right through and through, um, we're, we're people working with people.

00:24:12.928 --> 00:24:18.488
To find people and what's the most unpredictable, you know, function of what we got going on earth, it's people.

00:24:18.897 --> 00:24:30.548
Um, so with that commoditization of our industry and the low barrier to entry, more than anything, I mean, all you have to do is really give yourself a name, a logo and pick up a phone and like your recruiter.

00:24:30.548 --> 00:24:31.617
Yeah, no, seriously.

00:24:31.857 --> 00:24:33.887
I mean, even realtors have to take a real estate test.

00:24:33.938 --> 00:24:34.288
Right.

00:24:35.992 --> 00:24:39.972
So you're advocating for increased regulation of the search industry?

00:24:40.272 --> 00:24:42.053
Um, you know, I would be in support of it, yeah.

00:24:42.093 --> 00:24:42.462
Really?

00:24:43.262 --> 00:24:44.482
I thought you were kind of libertine.

00:24:44.573 --> 00:24:46.282
That doesn't sound very libertarian.

00:24:46.843 --> 00:24:49.423
Well, a little bit of regulation wouldn't hurt.

00:24:50.603 --> 00:24:52.063
Because, because to circle back and answer your question.

00:24:52.063 --> 00:24:53.373
Because there's a bunch of no goodniks out there.

00:24:53.383 --> 00:24:54.002
Exactly.

00:24:54.593 --> 00:24:59.032
Oh, and so to get back to the question, they think of you because you're actually pro style?

00:24:59.042 --> 00:25:05.798
Well, I think we do a very good job, but what we really hang our hat on is just the, the The morals and ethics with which we conduct business in ourselves.

00:25:05.837 --> 00:25:06.147
Okay.

00:25:06.357 --> 00:25:22.468
Um, I mean, there's been a lot of times where we've, we've taken a loss in a situation where We did so voluntarily because it was the right thing to do not because we messed up or did anything wrong All right, um, you know, we're very communicative And understand that ultimately people are at the at the basis of what we do, right?

00:25:22.847 --> 00:25:33.557
Not only does our placement have a direct impact on the business and all the subsequent little Fingers and arms that that person's going to touch within the business, but also that candidate has a family Yeah, yeah, right.

00:25:33.637 --> 00:25:37.663
Um, and I think a lot of people in this industry Forget that.

00:25:37.923 --> 00:25:40.012
Um, and they think of it truly as, as a product.

00:25:40.083 --> 00:25:40.393
Yeah.

00:25:40.393 --> 00:25:40.663
Yeah.

00:25:40.663 --> 00:25:51.633
At the end of the day, I mean, if you're not paying for the product, then you are the product and that's, I've been placed once, uh, in my banking career and it was, what was that like?

00:25:51.653 --> 00:25:52.472
Well, how was your experience?

00:25:53.042 --> 00:25:58.482
You know, she did a really good job and it was a person that, you know, continued to call on me for years afterwards and stuff, of course.

00:25:58.522 --> 00:26:00.262
But, um, let me stop you there.

00:26:00.262 --> 00:26:01.232
Continued to call on you.

00:26:01.262 --> 00:26:01.782
What for?

00:26:01.823 --> 00:26:03.313
Was she trying to move you a second time?

00:26:03.393 --> 00:26:03.972
Sure.

00:26:04.553 --> 00:26:04.732
Yeah.

00:26:04.732 --> 00:26:05.932
See that's a, that's, that's chicken.

00:26:05.932 --> 00:26:06.317
We just don't do that.

00:26:06.468 --> 00:26:07.522
Yeah, just check it in.

00:26:07.528 --> 00:26:07.678
Yeah.

00:26:07.682 --> 00:26:07.853
Yeah.

00:26:07.853 --> 00:26:10.403
Trying to, trying to pull you back outta the client you placed later that, that's no good.

00:26:10.403 --> 00:26:16.012
Actually, after, it was after I moved to Fort Collins, so I was obviously not working for her placement anymore, but, oh, okay.

00:26:16.018 --> 00:26:16.238
Okay.

00:26:16.403 --> 00:26:17.063
Understood.

00:26:17.063 --> 00:26:17.423
That makes sense.

00:26:17.423 --> 00:26:18.923
So it wasn't, it wasn't unethical.

00:26:19.303 --> 00:26:19.333
Okay.

00:26:19.393 --> 00:26:22.813
Uh, in that instance, um, because people do that all the time and that's, yeah.

00:26:22.817 --> 00:26:24.762
Well it's like churning your investment account, right?

00:26:24.762 --> 00:26:25.002
Exactly.

00:26:25.002 --> 00:26:25.063
Yeah.

00:26:25.063 --> 00:26:26.502
Like you need this fancy new stock.

00:26:26.532 --> 00:26:28.212
Oh, you know what, you need this fancy new stock.

00:26:28.482 --> 00:26:30.883
Oh, guess what I got for you, a fancy new stock.

00:26:30.992 --> 00:26:31.413
That's right.

00:26:32.303 --> 00:26:32.413
Yeah.

00:26:32.413 --> 00:26:33.002
We don't play that game.

00:26:33.002 --> 00:26:34.222
No.

00:26:34.222 --> 00:26:37.843
And we don't, we don't, any of our clients, we never pull anybody from.

00:26:37.913 --> 00:26:38.143
Talk to me.

00:26:38.153 --> 00:26:38.982
We don't even talk to them.

00:26:39.002 --> 00:26:43.903
Let's talk about the ethics of it and maybe I'll bounce it back to you, Trish, if you don't mind.

00:26:43.913 --> 00:26:57.252
What, uh, like what, one of the things that's a differentiator, I think with me and Loco Think Tank is I like name the conflicts of interest and the ethical challenges sometimes that are in business and, you know, just even in.

00:26:57.698 --> 00:26:59.327
Adding new members and blah blah blah.

00:26:59.688 --> 00:27:15.942
What are the, what are the, aside from churning somebody basically, Uh, which Basically screwing your client, right, because your client is the one that paid you and now you're going to get paid by somebody else that competes with them to get their employee again.

00:27:16.452 --> 00:27:24.488
Like, are there other, like, ethical things that are either, if not commonplace at least, something that you have to be intentional to avoid?

00:27:25.528 --> 00:27:35.377
Well, we never thought of doing this, but I've heard that some of, some of the larger firms will post fake job ads to get a big candidate pool.

00:27:35.587 --> 00:27:36.137
Interesting.

00:27:37.018 --> 00:27:37.897
It appalls me.

00:27:38.657 --> 00:27:38.798
It's disgusting.

00:27:38.807 --> 00:27:44.107
No, and every single person that works for our firm is extremely, has morals, ethics, and we do it right.

00:27:44.117 --> 00:27:47.468
Like you said, we, we have eaten some money here and there.

00:27:47.617 --> 00:27:47.907
Yeah, yeah.

00:27:48.087 --> 00:27:50.607
For the right reason, not because we did anything wrong.

00:27:50.847 --> 00:27:51.228
Right, right.

00:27:51.367 --> 00:27:55.958
Um, and you, that's, you gotta be passionate, you have to be ethical, and you have to be honest.

00:27:55.978 --> 00:27:56.508
So that's what you're going for.

00:27:56.548 --> 00:27:57.827
Or you don't get to work for us.

00:27:57.897 --> 00:27:59.218
Well, you've got long term employees.

00:27:59.528 --> 00:28:03.512
Considering you've only been around since 2015, you've got like nine, eight, ten employees.

00:28:03.843 --> 00:28:08.633
Six, four, three kind of thing on, and I'm imagining you've grown in four and a half here.

00:28:09.093 --> 00:28:10.542
So why do your people stay?

00:28:10.603 --> 00:28:13.413
It'd be a better question to ask them.

00:28:14.383 --> 00:28:14.913
Well, I know.

00:28:15.282 --> 00:28:17.002
I think, um, Why would they say?

00:28:17.133 --> 00:28:18.482
Why don't you take that one, Trish?

00:28:18.512 --> 00:28:20.813
You kind of, you kind of built the basis of that culture.

00:28:20.883 --> 00:28:21.712
We care.

00:28:21.762 --> 00:28:22.272
We care.

00:28:22.272 --> 00:28:23.393
I care about their families.

00:28:23.393 --> 00:28:26.173
I care about, um, them having, you know, time to be with their kids.

00:28:26.173 --> 00:28:28.133
We have a couple with smaller children.

00:28:28.698 --> 00:28:33.548
I grew up partially as a single mom, and I know what that's like, so I always make sure family comes first.

00:28:34.268 --> 00:28:35.968
I think they all appreciate that a lot.

00:28:36.377 --> 00:28:41.758
I think they do appreciate the honesty and ethical way that we do business, definitely, because they're all good people.

00:28:42.407 --> 00:28:50.837
Um, and we do provide, I don't know if flexibility is the right word, but you know, if your mom is sick, by 85, you go.

00:28:51.188 --> 00:28:52.407
We got this handled for you today.

00:28:53.397 --> 00:28:54.627
I think those are some of the reasons.

00:28:55.282 --> 00:28:55.952
I would agree with that.

00:28:56.303 --> 00:29:02.613
And I think we, uh, we create an environment where people get to capitalize on what they do best in a way that's effective for the business.

00:29:03.222 --> 00:29:06.732
Um, and what I mean by that is everybody's different, right?

00:29:06.913 --> 00:29:07.972
Uh, obviously.

00:29:08.022 --> 00:29:08.432
Yeah, yeah.

00:29:08.492 --> 00:29:08.883
But.

00:29:09.262 --> 00:29:14.083
Some people might be most productive in the office with the team soaking that up.

00:29:14.083 --> 00:29:16.073
Other people might need to be there some.

00:29:16.488 --> 00:29:20.107
And just rock the phones from home is what they should really be doing sometimes.

00:29:20.107 --> 00:29:24.317
Or what, I don't know if you have that flexibility, but look, you have to have a different character for Durham people.

00:29:24.397 --> 00:29:24.827
Exactly.

00:29:24.827 --> 00:29:24.988
Yeah.

00:29:24.988 --> 00:29:26.938
We, we have a hybrid working model for sure.

00:29:27.377 --> 00:29:32.347
Um, but additionally, you know, we, we focus on outcomes and expectations, but not the inputs required to get there.

00:29:32.728 --> 00:29:34.657
And that's really inverse of a lot of the industry.

00:29:34.657 --> 00:29:37.107
At most of the staffing industry, it's, you make 25 calls a day.

00:29:37.317 --> 00:29:37.708
Right.

00:29:37.788 --> 00:29:40.978
You, you send out five candidates, you schedule three external.

00:29:41.018 --> 00:29:45.208
If you can meet all your goals and expectations on 15 hours a week.

00:29:45.768 --> 00:29:48.627
And that gives you extra time with your kids.

00:29:48.948 --> 00:29:59.817
And then, okay, as long as you're killing it, maybe that's not 15, but no, it's definitely not 50, but there's some flexibility afforded by Long as you're hitting your numbers kind of thing.

00:29:59.938 --> 00:30:05.167
Yeah, in a sense from a time capacity, yes, but moreover from a process capacity.

00:30:05.337 --> 00:30:11.807
You know, there are some non negotiable fundamentals in what we do that ties back to both candidate and client experience that are non negotiable.

00:30:12.337 --> 00:30:16.028
Um, but ultimately, you know, we don't have a script for every call.

00:30:16.048 --> 00:30:18.438
We don't have an SOP for every situation.

00:30:18.988 --> 00:30:20.768
Um, and that's kind of by design.

00:30:21.587 --> 00:30:21.897
Right.

00:30:21.928 --> 00:30:24.488
We, we have, we hire really good people that we trust.

00:30:24.508 --> 00:30:29.718
We give them the roadmap to do what needs to be done and then we kind of let them get there themselves.

00:30:29.807 --> 00:30:30.178
Fair enough.

00:30:30.248 --> 00:30:33.728
Um, and I, I think that level of autonomy, not like micromanager style or whatever.

00:30:33.728 --> 00:30:34.157
Yeah.

00:30:34.157 --> 00:30:34.567
Yeah.

00:30:34.567 --> 00:30:41.407
I think that level of autonomy has been appreciated and probably contributes to most everybody's a little bit self taught and it's kind of a win win, right?

00:30:41.407 --> 00:30:45.077
Like they, especially, I mean, these are all employees, right?

00:30:45.077 --> 00:30:50.778
They're W2 employees, but they could go apply their craft with somebody else.

00:30:51.327 --> 00:30:56.448
Um, and, but they're, they're the revenue engines ultimately of your, of your machine.

00:30:56.448 --> 00:31:02.587
And so, but they can't make any money unless they can have the critical scale, critical mass to do stuff.

00:31:03.167 --> 00:31:07.258
So it's kind of a continuing coalition of the willing.

00:31:08.488 --> 00:31:11.268
And the will, their willingness to continue that is a lot to do with money.

00:31:11.803 --> 00:31:16.323
How good of people you are at being their employer of choice, if you will.

00:31:16.542 --> 00:31:26.373
And to that end, I think we're very supportive, and in an environment that is inherently A lot of them cycle through a lot of people.

00:31:26.413 --> 00:31:31.813
Oh yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's uh, it's a pretty, I'm trying to think of the right word, it's not disappointing.

00:31:32.063 --> 00:31:33.306
You lose a lot more than you win.

00:31:33.942 --> 00:31:39.583
Um, and, and no matter how effective you are at your job, you can do everything right.

00:31:40.042 --> 00:31:41.712
You can do everything 110 percent correct.

00:31:41.772 --> 00:31:49.103
But at the end of the day, we have a, again, quote unquote product, not that And only a small percentage of people, a service.

00:31:49.123 --> 00:31:50.962
They have, they have free will and determination, right?

00:31:50.962 --> 00:31:53.532
We, we joke sometimes about how Incredible.

00:31:53.532 --> 00:31:57.272
The business we could build if we took our team and ship something off of a shelf.

00:31:59.542 --> 00:31:59.873
Yes.

00:31:59.903 --> 00:32:01.192
No unpredictability there.

00:32:01.313 --> 00:32:01.603
Yeah.

00:32:01.603 --> 00:32:04.823
And I understand that comes with supply chain and distribution logistics.

00:32:04.823 --> 00:32:08.932
There's all kinds of other stuff that you can't make people do stuff.

00:32:08.972 --> 00:32:09.682
Exactly.

00:32:09.702 --> 00:32:12.323
We cannot control the free will of those that we play.

00:32:12.323 --> 00:32:12.593
Yeah.

00:32:12.613 --> 00:32:14.653
Well, it runs the same challenge with.

00:32:14.877 --> 00:32:30.548
My local think tank membership, you know, I can, you came to our social last week, you know, nice music and great food and we had a nice attendance, you know, 35 or whatever it was like 20 of my members and 15 not members.

00:32:30.557 --> 00:32:39.387
And that means like 80 of my members didn't come, you know, nice little party is at the summer party, you know, come, but you can't make anybody do anything and everybody's busy.

00:32:39.938 --> 00:32:41.978
Um, so anyway, I digress.

00:32:42.238 --> 00:32:48.357
Oh, I wanted to, uh, Isaac, you were in, Trisha, you're, you're in the local chapter now.

00:32:48.367 --> 00:32:49.087
Are you back from leave?

00:32:49.087 --> 00:32:49.607
You were on leave?

00:32:49.607 --> 00:32:50.577
Yeah, yeah, just for a couple months.

00:32:50.577 --> 00:32:51.127
Okay, you're back.

00:32:51.678 --> 00:32:58.018
Anyway, um, and Isaac, you were in a, a Catalyst chapter, um, and this is specifically about Alma.

00:32:58.728 --> 00:33:00.557
Alma's across the room over here.

00:33:01.028 --> 00:33:03.897
You're experienced as a person that hires people.

00:33:04.613 --> 00:33:06.603
And evaluates things and stuff.

00:33:06.633 --> 00:33:11.782
And you had a lot of, uh, conversation with Alma in a chapter meeting and stuff.

00:33:11.782 --> 00:33:16.482
What would you say of her from a employment staffing agency?

00:33:16.482 --> 00:33:20.292
Like, what's your perception of her as a candidate, as a person?

00:33:20.363 --> 00:33:23.512
No, just, uh, yeah, as a candidate, you can find her a job if you needed to.

00:33:23.952 --> 00:33:29.202
I think my, my perception is going to be very much hinged on what I know about you.

00:33:30.803 --> 00:33:33.952
And in that sense, I think she's incredibly complimentary.

00:33:34.903 --> 00:33:40.272
Um, you know, I, I see very much as like the, I'm sure you're familiar with the EOS model doing what you do, the visionary, right?

00:33:40.272 --> 00:33:40.692
For sure.

00:33:40.692 --> 00:33:40.813
Yeah.

00:33:41.182 --> 00:33:43.962
She's, she's kind of built for that kind of a space.

00:33:43.962 --> 00:33:44.032
Yeah.

00:33:44.123 --> 00:33:44.752
Absolutely.

00:33:44.752 --> 00:33:45.173
I know.

00:33:45.173 --> 00:33:49.853
I think she compliments your skill set very well and probably keeps you in line on the, on the back end.

00:33:51.403 --> 00:33:57.633
No, but, um, I w I was very impressed with how impressionable she was, especially when we were in that chapter together.

00:33:58.063 --> 00:33:59.673
Um, we'd certainly seen.

00:34:00.337 --> 00:34:01.877
You know, I mean, I was in it for two, three years.

00:34:01.877 --> 00:34:03.258
We saw quite a few different members coming.

00:34:03.367 --> 00:34:03.647
Sure.

00:34:03.768 --> 00:34:04.038
Sure.

00:34:04.077 --> 00:34:05.387
Just cause it was kind of a newer chapter.

00:34:05.387 --> 00:34:07.458
She receives and does.

00:34:07.823 --> 00:34:08.523
Exactly.

00:34:08.523 --> 00:34:12.262
Like when she's convinced that something's the right way, she'll just learn how to do it and do it.

00:34:12.313 --> 00:34:21.682
That's exactly what I was going to say, because, uh, there was a lot of people who would issue process the same issue over and over and over again.

00:34:21.682 --> 00:34:21.943
Yeah.

00:34:22.643 --> 00:34:22.893
Yeah.

00:34:23.782 --> 00:34:25.592
I look at Trish jokingly.

00:34:26.818 --> 00:34:28.878
But, and not do anything about it.

00:34:28.878 --> 00:34:31.708
Well, and she's at least seen those members if she's ever been one.

00:34:31.797 --> 00:34:33.068
I've met one of those people before.

00:34:33.288 --> 00:34:35.737
No, but Alma, we, we, she, she'd come to us with a challenge.

00:34:35.737 --> 00:34:42.288
We'd process it and the next month she'd come back having implemented the suggestions and that's really impressive and not something you see that often.

00:34:42.998 --> 00:34:43.307
Thank you.

00:34:43.588 --> 00:34:44.047
Yeah.

00:34:44.568 --> 00:34:48.338
Um, And Alma, I know you're going to like edit this and hear that.

00:34:48.878 --> 00:34:53.958
I was hoping for some juicy, what would be the biggest negative thing you would say?

00:34:55.818 --> 00:34:56.538
Terrible question.

00:34:58.268 --> 00:35:01.777
Um, I don't, I don't know if I can do that.

00:35:02.858 --> 00:35:06.708
I don't know if I, if I know her well enough to have seen any of the negatives.

00:35:06.708 --> 00:35:11.347
People naturally put on their, their, their face and their put their best foot forward and my camera died again.

00:35:11.572 --> 00:35:14.262
Well, I guess we're going to have to take our clip from what we've done so far.

00:35:14.273 --> 00:35:17.003
We got technical glitches galore this episode.

00:35:17.713 --> 00:35:23.313
Um, what else, like, what do you want people to know about, like, as far as being a candidate?

00:35:23.342 --> 00:35:41.713
Like there's people out here listening right now thinking, you know, I kind of don't like my job, but it seems really scary to try to go out and look for a job and maybe, you know, kind of a Staffing agencies thing might be a better way to direct hire kind of a conversation to find me the right fit.

00:35:41.733 --> 00:35:44.123
Like, can you actually do that?

00:35:44.193 --> 00:35:47.552
Like do people outreach to you regularly as well?

00:35:47.742 --> 00:35:48.922
Say, I want to be in your pool.

00:35:49.733 --> 00:35:50.443
That's a good question.

00:35:50.452 --> 00:35:51.193
It happens often.

00:35:51.342 --> 00:35:51.663
Okay.

00:35:51.932 --> 00:36:01.583
Um, and as we have evolved and we have such a network of hiring managers and candidates that we know and have known for years, we are able sometimes to make that happen.

00:36:01.663 --> 00:36:01.782
Okay.

00:36:02.123 --> 00:36:10.742
The challenge is that, um, Our primary work is for the clients that have come to us and said, I need X, Y, and Z skillset with this culture.

00:36:11.362 --> 00:36:16.172
And it's, we want to help everybody, especially when they're miserable and not happy.

00:36:16.202 --> 00:36:19.983
And you know, sometimes it works, but it doesn't happen right away.

00:36:20.132 --> 00:36:24.182
You especially don't want to help the employees of your primary clients.

00:36:24.242 --> 00:36:30.043
And we won't tell them how often they call and say, Hey, I don't like it here anymore.

00:36:30.282 --> 00:36:30.963
Well, tough shit.

00:36:32.112 --> 00:36:32.782
We're not doing that.

00:36:33.668 --> 00:36:36.907
You can give your notice when you're ready and you can go find your own job because we're not doing that.

00:36:36.958 --> 00:36:37.568
We don't do that.

00:36:37.608 --> 00:36:40.407
They pay our bills and we're going to do it.

00:36:40.407 --> 00:36:41.788
It doesn't happen often, but it does sometimes.

00:36:41.918 --> 00:36:43.137
No, and we don't just disregard them.

00:36:43.268 --> 00:36:48.467
We provide them other resources and suggestions and we'll still look at their resume if they'd like and give them tips.

00:36:48.467 --> 00:36:50.027
But we're not going to play accomplice.

00:36:50.027 --> 00:36:50.728
No, no, no.

00:36:50.998 --> 00:36:52.958
What are some of the characteristics of the people that do that?

00:36:53.467 --> 00:36:54.398
Stick the best.

00:36:54.418 --> 00:37:08.347
And I know there's cultural differences between different companies and stuff like that, but what do you see as far as, you know, when companies are excited about this person, you know, three years, five years in, they're like, dude, Isaac, thanks for finding me.

00:37:08.347 --> 00:37:09.677
Kristen, she's been a killer.

00:37:09.728 --> 00:37:10.547
We do hear that.

00:37:10.597 --> 00:37:13.277
You know, what's funny is it has nothing to do with technical ability.

00:37:13.277 --> 00:37:13.623
Okay.

00:37:13.623 --> 00:37:16.327
It's 100 percent innate, like human traits.

00:37:16.487 --> 00:37:20.288
It's, it's adaptability, desire to learn ability to pivot.

00:37:20.307 --> 00:37:21.628
Like you asked me about Alma.

00:37:21.898 --> 00:37:23.038
That's one of her biggest.

00:37:23.518 --> 00:37:27.588
Strengths from my, my perception is the ability to Yeah, she doesn't get rattled too easy.

00:37:27.637 --> 00:37:40.722
No, no, and you, sometimes people get really, uh, hung up on a, on a perspective or a point of view or decision they made and they're not willing to I'm deviate from that perspective, even if new information is presented itself.

00:37:41.402 --> 00:37:55.413
Maybe I'm getting into the politics section, but, uh, the people that are willing to change stance and learn and adapt and be a part of this new organization, even if it's different than their old one.

00:37:55.422 --> 00:37:55.643
Yeah.

00:37:56.282 --> 00:37:59.233
Those are the people that I think do the best in any, any career path.

00:37:59.402 --> 00:38:03.972
That's probably like more important than ever is just adaptability.

00:38:04.398 --> 00:38:05.077
It really is.

00:38:05.668 --> 00:38:10.327
Things are changing every second, whether it's technology or politics or whatever the case may be.

00:38:10.387 --> 00:38:10.728
Right.

00:38:10.728 --> 00:38:24.458
And it's so wild because like through the 90s and 2000s, especially like specialization was one of the things that companies tried to encourage a lot and employees did a lot of so that they could get that specialization kind of money.

00:38:25.168 --> 00:38:28.077
But then those specializations die and change and stuff.

00:38:28.108 --> 00:38:30.088
And now adaptability seems to be.

00:38:30.797 --> 00:38:35.128
More important than the willingness to spend time enough to become a specialist.

00:38:36.068 --> 00:38:36.398
I don't know.

00:38:36.447 --> 00:38:37.168
I would agree with that.

00:38:37.168 --> 00:38:40.188
I mean, I, I'm the self proclaimed mile wide inch deep.

00:38:40.748 --> 00:38:41.728
It served me pretty well.

00:38:41.757 --> 00:38:42.427
Oh, you say that?

00:38:42.447 --> 00:38:43.197
I say that.

00:38:43.318 --> 00:38:44.018
Maybe I got it from you.

00:38:44.038 --> 00:38:44.737
You probably did.

00:38:44.768 --> 00:38:54.108
But, um, I don't know, what else would you want people to know about the business before we go into the closing segments?

00:38:57.538 --> 00:38:58.347
What's next for you?

00:38:58.398 --> 00:39:01.447
Like, Trish, you're no spring chicken.

00:39:01.447 --> 00:39:03.998
Are you, uh, you're here for another 10 years?

00:39:03.998 --> 00:39:05.768
Or is Isaac going to take this thing over?

00:39:05.777 --> 00:39:09.128
Is he going to, like, find some girl from Puerto Rico and move there?

00:39:09.248 --> 00:39:11.137
No, he's got a fiancee that I adore.

00:39:11.197 --> 00:39:11.568
Oh, good.

00:39:11.838 --> 00:39:12.728
We'll talk more about her later.

00:39:13.237 --> 00:39:13.507
Yeah.

00:39:13.978 --> 00:39:14.527
Did I meet her?

00:39:15.322 --> 00:39:15.853
I don't think so.

00:39:15.862 --> 00:39:16.623
I don't know.

00:39:16.643 --> 00:39:17.063
I don't believe you.

00:39:17.393 --> 00:39:17.742
Okay.

00:39:17.802 --> 00:39:17.992
Good.

00:39:18.313 --> 00:39:19.802
That would be sad to have forgotten her.

00:39:20.402 --> 00:39:23.362
No, I, I, I obviously at some point want to exit.

00:39:23.393 --> 00:39:25.652
Um, it is, he will get first dibs.

00:39:25.652 --> 00:39:26.793
It's, it's discussed.

00:39:26.893 --> 00:39:27.103
Yeah.

00:39:27.103 --> 00:39:31.193
Um, he's also doing a really good job with benchmark, so we just don't really know yet where all that's going.

00:39:31.382 --> 00:39:31.693
Hmm.

00:39:31.793 --> 00:39:33.492
But he gets first dibs when the time comes.

00:39:33.523 --> 00:39:34.092
Um.

00:39:34.123 --> 00:39:34.733
Oh, that's interesting.

00:39:34.733 --> 00:39:34.851
Right?

00:39:34.851 --> 00:39:35.088
Like, uh.

00:39:35.248 --> 00:39:38.677
Could just do the independent thing, not have the franchise model part of it anymore.

00:39:39.268 --> 00:39:39.677
Yeah.

00:39:39.677 --> 00:39:40.398
What do you want to do?

00:39:40.398 --> 00:39:41.717
And a lot less people headaches.

00:39:41.717 --> 00:39:51.217
And, and, and staffing by function of all of our field employees being W 2 to Snelling comes with a lot more Workers comp, unemployment Logistical All the Right, right.

00:39:51.248 --> 00:39:59.257
Call of la It's kind of like, do I want to be a therapist and have all the regulatory requirements of that?

00:39:59.257 --> 00:40:05.927
Or maybe I should be a life coach or an executive coach instead and do the same kind of work, use my existing skill set and certifications and not.

00:40:05.947 --> 00:40:07.838
Yeah.

00:40:08.717 --> 00:40:09.108
Essentially.

00:40:09.268 --> 00:40:09.748
Interesting.

00:40:09.878 --> 00:40:10.878
So I'm a few years out.

00:40:10.878 --> 00:40:11.297
Yeah, yeah.

00:40:11.297 --> 00:40:12.918
And we definitely talk about it a lot.

00:40:13.197 --> 00:40:13.648
Yeah.

00:40:14.277 --> 00:40:14.797
Sorry to put you on the spot.

00:40:15.157 --> 00:40:17.088
It's really more his decision when we get there.

00:40:17.188 --> 00:40:17.547
Yeah.

00:40:18.327 --> 00:40:19.637
Is it a saleable asset?

00:40:19.637 --> 00:40:20.887
I presume though, right?

00:40:20.918 --> 00:40:21.327
Absolutely.

00:40:21.358 --> 00:40:24.827
Like it's a franchise, but you're the owner of the franchise.

00:40:25.297 --> 00:40:26.068
It will sell.

00:40:26.268 --> 00:40:28.827
If he doesn't want another franchise, he would buy it in a heartbeat.

00:40:28.878 --> 00:40:29.338
Yeah, yeah.

00:40:29.487 --> 00:40:30.612
It's a, Yeah.

00:40:30.802 --> 00:40:34.233
Um, yeah, it's probably very saleable too, because you're going to have a retirement.

00:40:34.242 --> 00:40:36.092
We threw a bunch of money in there, right?

00:40:37.952 --> 00:40:39.512
That's some hopefully exactly.

00:40:39.512 --> 00:40:40.293
Exactly.

00:40:40.293 --> 00:40:40.532
Yeah.

00:40:41.032 --> 00:40:41.503
Fair enough.

00:40:41.603 --> 00:40:42.693
And I have to decide too.

00:40:42.693 --> 00:41:03.568
I mean, the, the staffing model, it's much more valuable from a, from an asset standpoint, because forecastable recurring revenue, you have contracts, whereas direct hire, I mean, if, if that's the direction that somebody wants to go, it's much more of a, Quote unquote lifestyle business and famine a little bit a little bit of that, but it's also, you know, effectively right now It's it's kind of hinged on me.

00:41:03.668 --> 00:41:05.128
You're a person now, right?

00:41:05.708 --> 00:41:22.047
You can build a director search firm that can be sold Yeah, but they're not near as valuable as right right companies with contract that makes sense because you got all these corporate employee You know relationships that are regular regular regular regular They work with me because it's me, right?

00:41:23.373 --> 00:41:25.612
Yeah, quite an interesting conversation you guys will have.

00:41:26.893 --> 00:41:29.693
Um, let's take a quick break.

00:41:29.983 --> 00:41:30.213
Sure.

00:41:30.273 --> 00:41:34.572
And then we will come back for the, uh, closing segments.

00:41:34.682 --> 00:41:35.032
Okay.

00:41:35.463 --> 00:41:36.003
Don't be scared.

00:42:19.847 --> 00:42:21.677
oh, we never went in the time machine.

00:42:22.697 --> 00:42:24.177
Let's go to the, let's go to the time machine.

00:42:24.177 --> 00:42:24.498
We'll do it.

00:42:24.498 --> 00:42:25.447
Time machine's exciting.

00:42:28.313 --> 00:42:31.333
Trish, uh, first grade, where are you?

00:42:32.083 --> 00:42:32.992
Huntsville, Alabama.

00:42:33.043 --> 00:42:33.773
Oh, really?

00:42:33.822 --> 00:42:36.043
I thought you had a little southern swagger.

00:42:36.083 --> 00:42:42.393
Yep, I still go home quite a bit, and when I do and I have a couple glasses of wine, you can definitely hear the southern accent come out, I am told.

00:42:42.583 --> 00:42:43.632
Do you need a refill on your wine, by the way?

00:42:44.233 --> 00:42:45.032
I'll have a little bit more.

00:42:45.083 --> 00:42:45.373
Okay.

00:42:46.003 --> 00:42:50.342
So yeah, Huntsville, Alabama, 19, what was that, 75, I guess?

00:42:50.373 --> 00:42:54.793
Um, unfortunately, in first grade my mom died, um, unexpectedly young.

00:42:54.793 --> 00:42:55.262
Oh wow.

00:42:55.353 --> 00:42:56.043
Tell me about that.

00:42:57.043 --> 00:42:59.023
Uh, she had a cerebral hemorrhage.

00:42:59.032 --> 00:42:59.052
Wow.

00:42:59.123 --> 00:43:00.603
It was completely unexpected.

00:43:00.603 --> 00:43:00.742
Wow.

00:43:00.742 --> 00:43:03.432
Um, right before her 20, the day before her 27th birthday.

00:43:03.463 --> 00:43:04.512
Oh my goodness.

00:43:04.782 --> 00:43:06.932
So, definitely some challenges growing up.

00:43:06.932 --> 00:43:07.402
How old were you?

00:43:07.483 --> 00:43:08.413
I was 7.

00:43:08.592 --> 00:43:09.583
And you have siblings too?

00:43:09.592 --> 00:43:11.072
I have a little sister who was 3.

00:43:11.072 --> 00:43:11.132
Wow.

00:43:11.132 --> 00:43:11.193
Wow.

00:43:11.193 --> 00:43:11.722
Wow.

00:43:12.527 --> 00:43:31.797
So, it definitely, I don't know, I'd like to say that it turned me into a pretty fabulous mom, I know I have my faults, but it was very important to me to be a good mom, because I didn't really have that great mom figure, my dad did remarry, we were not close, um, but yeah, I think it definitely made me a lot of who I am today.

00:43:31.797 --> 00:43:32.697
I don't doubt it at all.

00:43:32.777 --> 00:43:33.407
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:43:33.688 --> 00:43:36.677
And, and who did you become, like, say, by middle school?

00:43:37.182 --> 00:43:37.612
High school.

00:43:38.822 --> 00:43:39.463
Middle school.

00:43:39.483 --> 00:43:41.202
I was a little bit of a goody two shoes.

00:43:41.202 --> 00:43:42.313
I'm not surprised.

00:43:42.313 --> 00:43:42.543
Middle school.

00:43:42.543 --> 00:43:43.702
I made straight A's.

00:43:43.702 --> 00:43:47.782
I was the one that got caught, like, talking too much and having to write fifty sentences when I'm not talking in class.

00:43:48.902 --> 00:43:50.163
Bart Simpson, but not quite that bad.

00:43:50.213 --> 00:43:50.702
Yeah.

00:43:50.833 --> 00:43:58.963
Uh, high school, I started out a goody two shoes, and then I kind of experimented a little bit with pot, and had a few friends that did the same.

00:43:58.963 --> 00:44:00.853
I'm still very good friends with them, Holly and Nancy.

00:44:00.992 --> 00:44:02.918
Is this like back in 70s?

00:44:02.947 --> 00:44:04.887
I graduated from high school in 86.

00:44:04.947 --> 00:44:06.777
Okay, not 70s.

00:44:06.838 --> 00:44:08.168
I'm not quite that old, Kurt.

00:44:08.168 --> 00:44:08.487
Yeah.

00:44:08.507 --> 00:44:10.628
Well, and were you in Alabama still?

00:44:10.628 --> 00:44:11.418
I was still in Alabama.

00:44:11.447 --> 00:44:16.088
So that was probably pretty, like, I was in North Dakota in the 80s.

00:44:16.458 --> 00:44:18.367
Um, we're pretty similarly aged, I think.

00:44:18.398 --> 00:44:25.038
And, uh, it was pretty, like, people would quickly judge you if they found out you've been smoking pot.

00:44:25.038 --> 00:44:25.583
Oh, yes.

00:44:25.802 --> 00:44:27.612
It was a fine line where I went to high school.

00:44:27.612 --> 00:44:30.552
Like you, you know, there's the goody two shoes and there's the total potheads.

00:44:30.632 --> 00:44:31.952
And I was sorta in the middle.

00:44:31.952 --> 00:44:39.532
Maybe a foot in each foot in each, but in a way, nobody knew you had a foot in the, in the bank with everybody.

00:44:39.532 --> 00:44:40.842
I'm still good friend, not good friends.

00:44:40.842 --> 00:44:41.693
I'm Facebook friends.

00:44:41.693 --> 00:44:46.023
And, uh, you know, reunion friends with people on both sides who all grew up.

00:44:46.023 --> 00:44:46.492
Okay.

00:44:46.503 --> 00:44:47.413
For the most part.

00:44:48.182 --> 00:44:51.163
And then, uh, college, something.

00:44:51.163 --> 00:44:51.213
Yeah.

00:44:51.588 --> 00:44:58.257
College, I went to, this was still in North, I went to University of North Alabama where I met his father, Zach.

00:44:58.958 --> 00:44:59.898
Actually didn't meet him there.

00:44:59.898 --> 00:45:01.338
We went to rival high schools in Huntsville.

00:45:01.338 --> 00:45:02.847
Our parents lived four miles from each other.

00:45:02.967 --> 00:45:03.867
So it was interesting.

00:45:03.878 --> 00:45:04.128
Yeah.

00:45:04.128 --> 00:45:05.737
So we knew each other in high school, just not well.

00:45:05.737 --> 00:45:14.318
We started dating our sophomore year in college and gosh, we were together till 08, 99, let's see, 89 to 08.

00:45:14.498 --> 00:45:14.878
Okay.

00:45:15.197 --> 00:45:16.998
Um, still very good friends with him.

00:45:17.007 --> 00:45:18.478
He's wonderful, wonderful man.

00:45:18.507 --> 00:45:18.757
Yep.

00:45:18.907 --> 00:45:19.327
Great guy.

00:45:19.367 --> 00:45:21.918
And what is, when did Isaac come along and is there others?

00:45:22.273 --> 00:45:23.603
Isaac came along.

00:45:23.612 --> 00:45:24.873
We had been married four years.

00:45:24.873 --> 00:45:25.913
We were both in grad school.

00:45:26.063 --> 00:45:26.873
Had no money.

00:45:27.132 --> 00:45:28.112
He was a little bit of a surprise.

00:45:29.682 --> 00:45:31.293
Um, which he's heard many times.

00:45:31.333 --> 00:45:42.083
It was the best surprise I've ever had, but, uh, yeah, so, yeah, I, when he was little, I would, I was teaching adjunct and on, I started the online thing and, uh, of course had a great job.

00:45:42.202 --> 00:45:44.682
We moved out here from Colorado, from Alabama to Colorado.

00:45:45.293 --> 00:45:45.882
What year were you born?

00:45:45.893 --> 00:45:46.512
Ninety six.

00:45:46.532 --> 00:45:47.503
He was born in ninety six.

00:45:47.563 --> 00:45:47.882
Okay.

00:45:48.432 --> 00:45:52.523
Then Emma, our little girl, came along, um, in two thousand.

00:45:52.693 --> 00:45:53.032
Okay.

00:45:53.492 --> 00:45:57.503
And you got kind of into an adjunct kind of role in education and then just kind of.

00:45:58.143 --> 00:45:59.402
Expanded that from there.

00:45:59.413 --> 00:46:02.603
I guess you had a graduate degree as well in education, education.

00:46:03.043 --> 00:46:03.853
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:46:03.913 --> 00:46:05.123
I started out like in sales.

00:46:05.123 --> 00:46:10.552
And then when my husband Zach at the time went back to school at Auburn, he, he got his PhD there.

00:46:11.103 --> 00:46:12.202
Everybody we knew was in grad school.

00:46:12.202 --> 00:46:14.163
It's like, I'm just going to hop on this wagon too.

00:46:14.242 --> 00:46:14.393
Okay.

00:46:14.842 --> 00:46:22.103
So I hopped on the, on the graduate school wagon, wagon, got my, um, degree in English education and, or my graduate degree in English education.

00:46:22.103 --> 00:46:23.202
And I taught for a little bit.

00:46:23.253 --> 00:46:23.742
Um.

00:46:23.958 --> 00:46:24.867
Junior high and high school.

00:46:24.867 --> 00:46:29.367
And then Isaac came along, we moved to Colorado, and that's where I ventured out into teaching college.

00:46:29.367 --> 00:46:29.608
Yeah, yeah.

00:46:30.068 --> 00:46:31.498
And very fortunate that I did.

00:46:31.518 --> 00:46:32.947
Um, but I did teach English.

00:46:32.947 --> 00:46:37.737
So after a few years of it, you realize you're probably making three bucks an hour by the time you grade all those papers.

00:46:38.217 --> 00:46:38.568
Right.

00:46:38.617 --> 00:46:40.967
So there's some burnout there, which is how I ended up at Weston.

00:46:40.978 --> 00:46:41.387
Yeah, yeah.

00:46:41.427 --> 00:46:42.628
Where your wife currently works.

00:46:42.637 --> 00:46:47.498
And what was your, was your role kind of the, Dean of faculty kind of thing by the end of it?

00:46:47.538 --> 00:46:50.018
I started, yeah, by the end of it I was the dean of education.

00:46:50.057 --> 00:46:50.878
Dean of education.

00:46:51.068 --> 00:46:57.373
Okay, so more curricular development than maybe Jill does, she's more oversees the people that do the curriculum development.

00:46:57.382 --> 00:46:58.123
Kind of, I think.

00:46:58.253 --> 00:47:04.103
I started out as a curriculum developer, and then as time, when I was there for 10 12 years and then moved up to Director of Education.

00:47:04.112 --> 00:47:07.012
So, I was over the instructors and the curriculum design people.

00:47:07.083 --> 00:47:07.882
Okay, yeah.

00:47:08.333 --> 00:47:10.213
So that's where the whole college thing started.

00:47:10.222 --> 00:47:12.362
So for the listeners that don't know what I'm talking about.

00:47:12.402 --> 00:47:15.632
My wife basically has a job that's very similar to what Trish used to do.

00:47:15.643 --> 00:47:15.853
Yep.

00:47:16.432 --> 00:47:18.213
15 years ago or 10 years ago.

00:47:18.793 --> 00:47:21.972
Um, and so, uh, they have some commonality.

00:47:21.983 --> 00:47:22.472
Yes, we do.

00:47:22.882 --> 00:47:26.443
And we kind of got into that space of what that transition looked like.

00:47:26.742 --> 00:47:28.233
How was it working for Weston?

00:47:29.932 --> 00:47:31.032
I will say this.

00:47:31.072 --> 00:47:34.503
Um, and I've told Anne Rohr was the president of the, at the time.

00:47:34.503 --> 00:47:35.373
She was my boss.

00:47:35.393 --> 00:47:37.952
She was one of the absolute best.

00:47:38.498 --> 00:47:40.358
Supervisor, mentor, bosses I've ever had.

00:47:41.097 --> 00:47:44.858
Um, we had our moments where we didn't agree, didn't always agree on things.

00:47:44.858 --> 00:47:47.688
But she really gave me the confidence to be a good leader.

00:47:47.797 --> 00:47:49.157
And I have told her that.

00:47:49.188 --> 00:47:50.157
We still keep in touch.

00:47:50.347 --> 00:47:50.367
Yeah.

00:47:50.367 --> 00:47:51.137
And she's retired since.

00:47:51.137 --> 00:47:52.677
Another formative person in your development.

00:47:52.697 --> 00:47:53.458
Absolutely.

00:47:53.487 --> 00:47:53.947
Absolutely.

00:47:53.947 --> 00:47:54.777
I loved Weston.

00:47:54.777 --> 00:47:55.268
Loved it a lot.

00:47:55.277 --> 00:47:57.237
They gave me a lot of flexibility where my kids were little.

00:47:57.807 --> 00:48:02.838
Um, All the responsibility you could handle whenever you would need a little more.

00:48:02.838 --> 00:48:03.382
Yep, yep.

00:48:03.472 --> 00:48:03.972
It was great.

00:48:03.992 --> 00:48:04.623
It was great.

00:48:04.702 --> 00:48:05.432
I loved that gig.

00:48:05.432 --> 00:48:07.672
I made very good lifetime friends and just really did it.

00:48:07.672 --> 00:48:10.932
It was just time for me to move on to something that had a little bit more growth potential to it.

00:48:10.943 --> 00:48:11.413
Yeah, I like it.

00:48:11.922 --> 00:48:14.333
And Isaac, uh, what was it?

00:48:14.373 --> 00:48:15.722
1996?

00:48:15.762 --> 00:48:16.543
No, not yet.

00:48:16.583 --> 00:48:16.963
Yep.

00:48:17.063 --> 00:48:17.913
That's your birth year?

00:48:17.983 --> 00:48:18.293
Yep.

00:48:18.483 --> 00:48:20.802
Okay, so I'm 22 years older than you.

00:48:21.362 --> 00:48:22.333
I just turned 50.

00:48:22.333 --> 00:48:23.422
Well, congrats.

00:48:23.492 --> 00:48:23.813
Yeah.

00:48:24.838 --> 00:48:25.277
What's that?

00:48:25.288 --> 00:48:26.527
So that means I'm six years older than you.

00:48:26.538 --> 00:48:27.077
Is that right?

00:48:27.197 --> 00:48:27.958
Because I was 28 when it happened.

00:48:27.987 --> 00:48:28.387
All right.

00:48:28.418 --> 00:48:28.887
Fair enough.

00:48:29.438 --> 00:48:34.577
Um, what was, uh, what was your early, early life like?

00:48:35.447 --> 00:48:39.547
Like first, like when you five, six, seven years old, where were you at, what were you doing?

00:48:39.547 --> 00:48:40.177
You were here.

00:48:40.487 --> 00:48:40.797
Yep.

00:48:40.838 --> 00:48:41.177
Yep.

00:48:41.467 --> 00:48:42.668
I think it was pretty unique, actually.

00:48:42.668 --> 00:48:43.088
So.

00:48:43.733 --> 00:48:45.402
We were living up risk Canyon.

00:48:45.523 --> 00:48:46.132
Oh, really?

00:48:46.182 --> 00:48:46.422
Yep.

00:48:46.733 --> 00:48:47.163
Oh, interesting.

00:48:47.172 --> 00:48:50.512
That's, that's why I was so familiar with this where they grow all the good weed.

00:48:50.922 --> 00:48:51.422
Well, yeah.

00:48:51.432 --> 00:48:52.512
Back those days anyway.

00:48:52.512 --> 00:48:53.472
Just kidding.

00:48:53.472 --> 00:48:57.693
I didn't really know that, but yeah, we did know our neighbors grew it.

00:48:57.693 --> 00:48:58.842
And that was before it was legal.

00:48:58.842 --> 00:49:04.672
When I first moved to Fort Collins, like risk Canyon was kind of notorious for being like where the good weed was grown.

00:49:04.833 --> 00:49:05.322
Absolutely.

00:49:06.032 --> 00:49:09.733
Anyway, well, but there's no money in it anymore.

00:49:10.333 --> 00:49:13.123
You know, those guys took out the skills, but you can't make any money at it.

00:49:13.132 --> 00:49:15.998
Cause legalization.

00:49:16.007 --> 00:49:17.137
Stupid legalization.

00:49:17.978 --> 00:49:19.427
Well, I think a lot of people still do it for fun up there.

00:49:19.867 --> 00:49:20.398
Oh, I'm sure.

00:49:22.547 --> 00:49:23.327
Anyway, I digress.

00:49:23.398 --> 00:49:24.047
No, no.

00:49:24.097 --> 00:49:25.487
But that is a unique environment.

00:49:25.487 --> 00:49:27.248
So you were like up, you went to Stoke Prairie school?

00:49:27.257 --> 00:49:27.487
Yeah.

00:49:27.487 --> 00:49:28.188
I went to Stoke Prairie.

00:49:28.197 --> 00:49:28.807
No doubt.

00:49:28.858 --> 00:49:29.157
Yep.

00:49:29.188 --> 00:49:29.438
Yep.

00:49:29.538 --> 00:49:30.057
Okay.

00:49:30.097 --> 00:49:33.858
So for those who don't know, Stoke Prairie is a really small elementary school at the top of Risk Canyon.

00:49:34.248 --> 00:49:38.768
And Risk Canyon is, uh, obviously the smaller, lesser known canyon between Poudre Canyon and Big Thompson, right?

00:49:38.777 --> 00:49:39.128
Yep.

00:49:39.128 --> 00:49:41.047
So we lived about seven miles up there.

00:49:41.088 --> 00:49:43.407
Um, how many kids in that school?

00:49:43.927 --> 00:49:46.637
It was anywhere between 50 and 60 K through six.

00:49:46.807 --> 00:49:47.208
Okay.

00:49:47.498 --> 00:49:48.677
That's what the same, everybody.

00:49:48.737 --> 00:49:59.677
Um, so I grew up in North Dakota and I went to Buchanan elementary school, which was a, About 65 students and Pingree High School because it was, it was merged.

00:49:59.717 --> 00:50:02.958
It was Pingree Buchanan Elementary and Pingree Buchanan High School.

00:50:03.358 --> 00:50:06.668
Um, so very similar grade school environment at least.

00:50:06.947 --> 00:50:13.338
I give Strobe Prairie and those teachers a very big kudos as to how intelligent and socially adaptable my children are.

00:50:13.447 --> 00:50:14.378
I don't doubt it at all.

00:50:14.387 --> 00:50:14.648
Yes.

00:50:15.467 --> 00:50:20.518
Well, country folk are resilient and adaptable and, You know, it kind of goes to that.

00:50:21.498 --> 00:50:22.938
And there were six kids in your grade.

00:50:22.947 --> 00:50:31.737
With hiring, like if you can hire a kid that grew up in a small town in Minnesota or Iowa or something like that, like, I don't care about their other attributes.

00:50:31.737 --> 00:50:32.617
That's like one point.

00:50:32.637 --> 00:50:33.177
The work ethic.

00:50:33.177 --> 00:50:34.793
The work ethic is there.

00:50:34.793 --> 00:50:35.527
That's ten points.

00:50:35.527 --> 00:50:36.018
Ten points?

00:50:36.018 --> 00:50:36.068
Yeah.

00:50:37.038 --> 00:50:40.907
So you're growing up in Stove Prairie and hanging out, you got five classmates plus you?

00:50:41.217 --> 00:50:41.588
Yeah.

00:50:41.637 --> 00:50:42.617
No, you hit the nail on the head.

00:50:42.628 --> 00:50:44.668
And they combined first and second grade in one classroom.

00:50:44.668 --> 00:50:45.608
Third and fourth in one classroom.

00:50:45.608 --> 00:50:46.438
Same for my school.

00:50:46.637 --> 00:50:47.003
Mm hmm.

00:50:47.003 --> 00:50:47.996
Fifth and sixth in one classroom.

00:50:47.996 --> 00:50:48.492
It was awesome.

00:50:48.492 --> 00:50:53.413
We had potluck lunches every month where all the moms would come and bring their casseroles.

00:50:53.893 --> 00:50:54.333
I love it.

00:50:54.733 --> 00:50:58.123
We'd go sledding at recess and I highly doubt they still do this.

00:50:58.123 --> 00:51:00.643
But, you know, out back there's a pretty steep hill.

00:51:01.083 --> 00:51:06.927
Um, and it was kind of like two, two separate grades so it was somewhat, Fairly steep and then it would drop.

00:51:07.018 --> 00:51:07.358
Right.

00:51:07.418 --> 00:51:12.047
Um, and we used to make a huge jump at the top of that, that drop.

00:51:12.057 --> 00:51:12.958
So you could just soar.

00:51:12.998 --> 00:51:14.168
So you would just soar.

00:51:14.208 --> 00:51:17.208
And I mean, Sometimes people got the wind knocked out of them.

00:51:17.248 --> 00:51:18.728
Oh, sometimes people broke things.

00:51:19.157 --> 00:51:24.492
I mean, you know, we'd, we'd, we'd like pile three people, like pancakes, laying on top of each other.

00:51:24.822 --> 00:51:27.793
You know, somebody's getting crushed at the bottom and like the teacher's just laughing.

00:51:29.293 --> 00:51:30.052
That's country life.

00:51:30.063 --> 00:51:32.813
I feel like I'm officially old when I can say it was a different time.

00:51:33.443 --> 00:51:33.922
Right.

00:51:34.112 --> 00:51:34.362
Yeah.

00:51:34.373 --> 00:51:35.672
Well, it wasn't a different time.

00:51:36.313 --> 00:51:39.873
They were just, I mean, it's still probably a lot more like that up there than it is.

00:51:39.963 --> 00:51:40.452
Oh yeah.

00:51:41.682 --> 00:51:47.163
Uh, just cause like North Dakota has barely changed since my dad was a little kid and he's 70.

00:51:47.393 --> 00:51:47.663
Yeah.

00:51:47.713 --> 00:51:51.672
And it's just kind of that country mentality just kind of endures a little bit.

00:51:51.682 --> 00:51:52.012
It's wonderful.

00:51:52.023 --> 00:51:52.943
We had critter drills.

00:51:53.907 --> 00:52:07.228
You know, there's all kinds of different drills that students have to endure now, but, uh, back then the big one for us was fire drills and critter drills because, you know, we were on a, on an open, open campus in the mountains and so there was oftentimes cattle would wander onto the playground.

00:52:07.228 --> 00:52:07.358
Oh, right.

00:52:07.418 --> 00:52:07.838
Mountain lions.

00:52:07.838 --> 00:52:07.987
Mountain lions.

00:52:07.987 --> 00:52:09.108
Could be a mountain lion, right?

00:52:09.108 --> 00:52:10.637
Yeah, mountain lions came through once or twice.

00:52:11.128 --> 00:52:12.708
It's not get out of the building, it's on fire.

00:52:12.708 --> 00:52:13.623
It's like get in the building.

00:52:13.623 --> 00:52:14.467
It's get in the building.

00:52:14.467 --> 00:52:16.208
And they never had to worry about shooters.

00:52:16.438 --> 00:52:17.467
That was never an issue back then.

00:52:17.807 --> 00:52:18.588
We didn't do shooter drills.

00:52:18.597 --> 00:52:21.458
Well, there was a bunch of kids with guns in their backpacks already.

00:52:22.338 --> 00:52:22.987
Other parents did.

00:52:23.878 --> 00:52:25.059
Nobody messes with the school.

00:52:25.059 --> 00:52:26.204
Yeah, that's for sure.

00:52:26.204 --> 00:52:29.351
Um, and then what, what, uh, what did you develop into?

00:52:29.351 --> 00:52:30.447
What did you, what are you?

00:52:30.782 --> 00:52:31.463
Good student.

00:52:31.463 --> 00:52:32.422
Were you an athlete?

00:52:32.432 --> 00:52:36.443
Like you came to high school down here, I imagine, or middle school or something.

00:52:36.443 --> 00:52:37.123
What was that like?

00:52:37.152 --> 00:52:40.512
Yep, so we came to Blevins Middle School down in Fort Collins.

00:52:40.543 --> 00:52:40.862
Okay.

00:52:41.253 --> 00:52:43.172
Uh, it was definitely a little bit of a transition.

00:52:43.463 --> 00:52:45.342
I got, I got in a lot of trouble in middle school.

00:52:45.813 --> 00:52:52.333
I mean, there, there was, uh Military school pamphlets, you know, that were brought out at one point by mom and dad.

00:52:52.333 --> 00:52:52.782
Oh.

00:52:52.782 --> 00:52:55.413
Oh, I was getting, I was getting into fights or something?

00:52:55.422 --> 00:52:58.182
No, just like tomfoolery antics.

00:52:58.213 --> 00:52:58.583
Okay.

00:52:58.592 --> 00:52:59.313
And yeah, just.

00:52:59.313 --> 00:53:02.233
Panting people and writing with Sharpie on the carpet.

00:53:02.603 --> 00:53:04.072
Yeah, I got suspended quite a few times.

00:53:04.152 --> 00:53:04.572
Ooh.

00:53:05.012 --> 00:53:05.362
Yeah.

00:53:05.432 --> 00:53:08.202
And probably your grades weren't great either.

00:53:08.753 --> 00:53:09.753
I was a pretty decent student.

00:53:09.753 --> 00:53:12.733
I think, I think I've always kind of had the, uh.

00:53:13.172 --> 00:53:17.753
Usually part of the middle finger that you're raising to society includes getting shitty grades too.

00:53:18.003 --> 00:53:19.822
No, he always held that together pretty good.

00:53:19.822 --> 00:53:20.253
That's good.

00:53:20.253 --> 00:53:22.152
Well, you're obviously super intelligent.

00:53:22.632 --> 00:53:23.322
Well, I appreciate that.

00:53:23.322 --> 00:53:23.382
Thank you.

00:53:23.382 --> 00:53:25.492
Well, I mean, super is a loose term.

00:53:25.503 --> 00:53:26.373
It's, it's relative.

00:53:27.552 --> 00:53:30.983
Um, no, well, I think that was a part of it, Kurt.

00:53:30.983 --> 00:53:35.088
Like, I, um, it wasn't super hard for me to, to, uh, Do well in school.

00:53:35.097 --> 00:53:35.467
Yeah.

00:53:35.527 --> 00:53:35.757
Yeah.

00:53:35.788 --> 00:53:42.748
So I had a lot of, uh, extra energy, free gap space, brain power, how to make people's lives miserable.

00:53:42.777 --> 00:53:43.197
Yeah.

00:53:43.827 --> 00:53:44.697
Especially just kidding.

00:53:45.137 --> 00:53:46.193
Well, it's like, you know, time.

00:53:46.193 --> 00:53:51.623
Um, so yeah, I came, came out of that just fine in high school.

00:53:51.623 --> 00:54:00.922
I kind of like, uh, toed the line between like the, uh, the alternative folks and the popular crowd, I got along really well with both sides.

00:54:00.952 --> 00:54:04.063
Well, and that's probably, I would say I resonate with that notion.

00:54:04.092 --> 00:54:04.992
It was a good liminal place.

00:54:04.992 --> 00:54:10.842
I can hang out with the CEOs, but I could also, you know, start lines behind the bar.

00:54:10.842 --> 00:54:11.112
Yeah.

00:54:11.163 --> 00:54:19.842
Maybe not that, Um, so yeah, no, no high school, high school was fine.

00:54:19.922 --> 00:54:23.322
Um, also to had a little bit of a pothead phase for sure.

00:54:23.722 --> 00:54:24.592
Up there in the Canyon.

00:54:25.422 --> 00:54:26.623
No, not that young.

00:54:29.853 --> 00:54:30.112
Fair enough.

00:54:30.182 --> 00:54:32.143
Well, you had good connections from back in the day.

00:54:32.543 --> 00:54:32.913
Yeah.

00:54:32.943 --> 00:54:33.273
Oh yeah.

00:54:33.273 --> 00:54:34.572
No, that's no, that was never an issue.

00:54:34.742 --> 00:54:37.322
And then, uh, were you outback steakhouse?

00:54:37.353 --> 00:54:39.637
Like, CSU and Outback, kinda?

00:54:39.637 --> 00:54:41.648
Or what else did you do along that career journey?

00:54:41.648 --> 00:54:43.568
First job I ever had was a discount tire.

00:54:43.588 --> 00:54:45.688
And to this day, that was the best job that I ever had.

00:54:45.688 --> 00:54:46.057
Really?

00:54:46.128 --> 00:54:54.538
Oh, I mean I think it's a little more corporate now than it was then, but back then it was like a true garage mentality and it was me and a bunch of guys that were much older than me.

00:54:54.538 --> 00:55:02.697
There was hazing, you worked your ass off, you know, they'd buy me beer and we'd drink it behind the shop at the end of the day, you know, I'm like 16, 17.

00:55:02.697 --> 00:55:03.217
It was awesome.

00:55:03.728 --> 00:55:04.277
I love it.

00:55:04.277 --> 00:55:04.907
It was awesome.

00:55:04.907 --> 00:55:06.228
Yeah, I was there like three, four years.

00:55:06.228 --> 00:55:10.268
I worked my way up to the, the highest level you could be without being like a salary manager.

00:55:10.387 --> 00:55:10.918
Oh, cool.

00:55:11.623 --> 00:55:13.402
I was the one selling the tires and working with customers.

00:55:13.402 --> 00:55:15.713
And I was like, you know, that's meant you were the shit.

00:55:15.722 --> 00:55:18.882
Did you have some notions of doing something more physical like that?

00:55:18.882 --> 00:55:23.393
And instead of like, it's always, yeah, yeah.

00:55:23.413 --> 00:55:24.132
Is the short answer.

00:55:24.132 --> 00:55:25.353
Do you do stuff like that now?

00:55:25.422 --> 00:55:27.583
You built your own like camper van and stuff, right?

00:55:27.583 --> 00:55:27.842
Yeah.

00:55:27.842 --> 00:55:31.413
That's doing, doing things with my hands is how I relax.

00:55:31.463 --> 00:55:32.463
That's kind of your expression.

00:55:32.472 --> 00:55:32.632
Yeah.

00:55:32.632 --> 00:55:35.032
I might as cooking, but I can understand it.

00:55:35.063 --> 00:55:36.773
You know, something like that being, yeah.

00:55:36.773 --> 00:55:40.072
Cause I stare at screens and talk on the phone all day for a living.

00:55:40.072 --> 00:55:40.402
So.

00:55:41.003 --> 00:55:43.833
I think it's somebody, somebody told me if you work with your brain, relax with your hands.

00:55:43.913 --> 00:55:44.322
Yeah.

00:55:44.413 --> 00:55:44.612
Yeah.

00:55:44.612 --> 00:55:44.972
Yeah.

00:55:44.983 --> 00:55:45.293
Huh.

00:55:45.753 --> 00:55:46.213
That's interesting.

00:55:46.213 --> 00:55:48.273
I've never really heard that, but I like it a lot.

00:55:48.273 --> 00:55:54.802
That's like, I cook almost all the time for our family because I get done with a long day of work and then I just want to go home and relax.

00:55:54.802 --> 00:55:58.472
And for me that includes chopping vegetables and yeah.

00:55:59.208 --> 00:56:00.137
I've got salsa out here.

00:56:00.137 --> 00:56:02.547
I made two and a half gallons of salsa yesterday.

00:56:03.248 --> 00:56:03.577
Wow.

00:56:04.007 --> 00:56:04.577
It was a chore.

00:56:05.068 --> 00:56:06.648
I didn't realize how many tomatoes I had.

00:56:06.708 --> 00:56:07.927
Is that for your thinker fest tomorrow?

00:56:08.108 --> 00:56:09.257
Oh no, it's not for that.

00:56:09.257 --> 00:56:12.217
It's just because I had 38 tomatoes.

00:56:12.918 --> 00:56:14.557
My garden is a rocket right now.

00:56:14.617 --> 00:56:15.498
Didn't want to let them go to waste.

00:56:15.547 --> 00:56:16.648
Yeah, exactly.

00:56:16.838 --> 00:56:17.057
Yeah.

00:56:17.128 --> 00:56:34.193
Um, So anyway, I digress, uh, so kind of traditional kind of college into food service industry and kind of where we where we link back up here Yeah, yeah a little bit the other neat job I had in between there was uh, I was a brand ambassador for kind snacks Okay, like kind bars.

00:56:34.193 --> 00:56:34.362
Yeah.

00:56:34.362 --> 00:56:34.612
Yeah.

00:56:35.242 --> 00:56:36.583
It was a real short stint.

00:56:36.592 --> 00:56:45.422
They did the university ambassador program Okay, but in short I'd work like eight to twelve hours a week promoting the brand And they would send me anywhere between 000 bars a month.

00:56:45.592 --> 00:56:46.282
Oh, wow.

00:56:46.353 --> 00:56:46.842
Yeah.

00:56:47.222 --> 00:56:47.663
Damn.

00:56:47.663 --> 00:56:51.422
I mean, like, there was a room Like, just getting rid of all those is a lot of work.

00:56:51.632 --> 00:56:53.572
Well, it became a game.

00:56:54.932 --> 00:56:55.833
It became a game, Kurt.

00:56:55.922 --> 00:57:01.523
It was, uh, it was a staple in the household of myself and all college friends.

00:57:02.172 --> 00:57:03.163
They all knew where to get the snacks.

00:57:03.163 --> 00:57:04.922
We all had a surplus of Kind Bars.

00:57:04.952 --> 00:57:09.097
And in times of, uh, Call it leanness.

00:57:09.117 --> 00:57:09.478
Right.

00:57:09.547 --> 00:57:11.938
I know I had a few friends that ate nothing but kind bars.

00:57:13.637 --> 00:57:13.967
It's college.

00:57:14.827 --> 00:57:15.418
Totally.

00:57:16.447 --> 00:57:20.467
But you could also trade somebody a case of kind bars for a six pack of beer.

00:57:20.628 --> 00:57:21.398
It was a currency.

00:57:24.217 --> 00:57:26.748
Well, the dollar was facing a lot of duress at that time.

00:57:27.538 --> 00:57:28.307
Everybody needs food.

00:57:28.307 --> 00:57:29.367
The kind bar was strong.

00:57:30.878 --> 00:57:33.768
It was fun.

00:57:33.768 --> 00:57:36.538
So yeah, no, I've always had a lot of customer facing people.

00:57:36.708 --> 00:57:36.907
Yeah.

00:57:36.907 --> 00:57:37.777
Yeah, for sure.

00:57:37.818 --> 00:57:38.378
Really enjoyed it.

00:57:38.447 --> 00:57:50.277
Would you like, if, if there was a way for you to use your skill set, but be in front of people more like you're out and about a lot, honestly, like I see you, I probably see you about as much as.

00:57:50.818 --> 00:57:54.708
Any single person in Northern Colorado when I'm out doing my networking and bopping around.

00:57:54.838 --> 00:57:55.077
Yeah.

00:57:55.117 --> 00:57:55.958
It's a quite a bit.

00:57:55.967 --> 00:57:56.358
Yeah.

00:57:56.447 --> 00:58:00.677
Um, would you like to do it more or is it more intentionally?

00:58:00.717 --> 00:58:03.807
Like what are your, what are your favorite things about your job and least favorite?

00:58:04.467 --> 00:58:06.307
My favorite things are definitely talking with people.

00:58:06.318 --> 00:58:06.588
Yeah.

00:58:06.947 --> 00:58:12.288
Um, whether it's behind a screen or a phone, um, or in person, it doesn't matter too much.

00:58:12.327 --> 00:58:12.617
Really?

00:58:12.668 --> 00:58:14.108
In person's of course preferred.

00:58:14.617 --> 00:58:19.938
Uh, but yeah, no, it's, it's the relationships you build and the opportunity to learn and talk from others or talk with others.

00:58:19.938 --> 00:58:20.597
But, uh.

00:58:21.987 --> 00:58:22.568
Least favorite?

00:58:24.932 --> 00:58:29.072
As time goes on, it's the, uh, quote unquote, admin work, right?

00:58:29.092 --> 00:58:33.773
Cause you know, obviously our, our entire ecosystem exists within software, right?

00:58:34.293 --> 00:58:37.063
And if you got that phone call, you better make some notes on that.

00:58:37.063 --> 00:58:37.333
Yeah.

00:58:37.333 --> 00:58:39.713
You're only as your, your data is only as good as your inputs.

00:58:39.713 --> 00:58:45.952
And I still struggle with that sometimes, you know, if things aren't notated and everything's not perfect, then your reference points are off.

00:58:45.972 --> 00:58:46.422
Totally.

00:58:46.842 --> 00:58:49.943
Um, so that, the piece that comes with that and the, yeah.

00:58:50.182 --> 00:58:50.443
Yeah.

00:58:50.503 --> 00:58:52.143
Well, and you really get yourself.

00:58:52.172 --> 00:58:52.193
Yeah.

00:58:52.603 --> 00:58:53.762
Better at it if you do it.

00:58:54.242 --> 00:58:56.693
It's one of those things that's more learned skill than something innate.

00:58:56.733 --> 00:58:57.463
How about you, Trish?

00:58:57.492 --> 00:58:59.842
Uh, what's your favorite parts about your job and least favorite?

00:59:00.663 --> 00:59:11.652
The people interactions my favorite part like the team or the customers both any candidates all of it Um, I mean back in the day I did it all like it was me and one other guy Learned how to do it all.

00:59:11.682 --> 00:59:18.898
Um, I don't recruit much anymore, but I still love to answer the phone because I like to help people Yeah And I love to celebrate the wins when people get hired.

00:59:18.907 --> 00:59:22.788
And like Isaac mentioned earlier, in this business, there's a lot more lows than highs.

00:59:22.797 --> 00:59:28.648
So when you get a win, we really, really embrace that one, getting somebody a new job, getting their family food on the table.

00:59:28.648 --> 00:59:29.518
It's just awesome.

00:59:29.617 --> 00:59:33.447
Our new employee asked today, what's the bell on the column out there for us?

00:59:33.447 --> 00:59:38.358
Like, Well, cause that's what we ring when we have something to celebrate like a new member or something like that.

00:59:38.418 --> 00:59:38.777
Yeah.

00:59:38.927 --> 00:59:39.237
It's fun.

00:59:39.427 --> 00:59:40.797
Always time for more cowbell.

00:59:40.958 --> 00:59:42.907
How about a least favorite parts about your job?

00:59:42.987 --> 00:59:44.177
It's the admin stuff.

00:59:44.177 --> 00:59:45.867
I hate the workers comp stuff.

00:59:45.887 --> 00:59:46.487
All right.

00:59:46.538 --> 00:59:46.967
Yeah.

00:59:47.018 --> 00:59:47.527
Oh yeah.

00:59:47.527 --> 00:59:50.358
I bet that's a pain in the ass with all these fractional employees and stuff.

00:59:50.947 --> 00:59:51.447
It's a pain.

00:59:51.478 --> 00:59:53.858
It's the biggest pain in the ass of the staffing industry.

00:59:53.978 --> 00:59:55.208
You listening Donald Trump?

00:59:55.958 --> 00:59:56.648
State of Colorado.

00:59:56.797 --> 00:59:57.498
State of Colorado.

00:59:57.668 --> 00:59:58.047
There you go.

00:59:58.358 --> 00:59:59.307
It's a big problem.

00:59:59.347 --> 00:59:59.588
Sorry.

00:59:59.608 --> 01:00:00.657
Trump's not the president yet.

01:00:00.657 --> 01:00:03.588
Yeah.

01:00:04.132 --> 01:00:08.552
Um, it's time actually to jump into our Faith family politics segments.

01:00:09.052 --> 01:00:10.193
Um, where would you like to start?

01:00:11.322 --> 01:00:12.032
You pick, Trish.

01:00:12.773 --> 01:00:14.202
Oh, let's go with Faith real quick.

01:00:14.242 --> 01:00:15.023
Okay, real quick.

01:00:15.742 --> 01:00:18.063
Um I don't know.

01:00:18.072 --> 01:00:18.592
What do you want to know?

01:00:18.782 --> 01:00:19.103
I don't know.

01:00:19.103 --> 01:00:19.853
I was raised Catholic.

01:00:20.393 --> 01:00:21.032
Oh, Catholic.

01:00:21.043 --> 01:00:21.547
I was raised Catholic.

01:00:21.547 --> 01:00:23.012
A Catholic in Baptist land, huh?

01:00:23.063 --> 01:00:25.463
My mom was very Southern Baptist.

01:00:25.463 --> 01:00:26.592
My dad was Catholic.

01:00:26.612 --> 01:00:31.670
That did not go so well early in the day when they were engaged, but it turned out to work out just great.

01:00:31.670 --> 01:00:32.393
They were fine with it.

01:00:32.393 --> 01:00:33.432
Their parents just didn't think it was right.

01:00:33.563 --> 01:00:34.172
Correct.

01:00:34.213 --> 01:00:38.512
That was not what you did back in the sixties, seven or six, or whatever it was.

01:00:39.342 --> 01:00:40.612
Um, raised Catholic.

01:00:40.663 --> 01:00:41.452
Um.

01:00:41.452 --> 01:00:41.485
Correct.

01:00:41.485 --> 01:00:41.518
Um.

01:00:42.577 --> 01:00:45.958
You know, as I got older, I, I've, oh, I would say I'm religious.

01:00:46.047 --> 01:00:52.007
I'm not, you mean spiritual, not religious or religious, not spiritual, both.

01:00:52.038 --> 01:00:52.878
I think I'm both.

01:00:53.137 --> 01:00:54.407
I, you're religious.

01:00:54.407 --> 01:00:59.947
No, I think I'm religious and I have those, but I'm not one to force it on people.

01:00:59.947 --> 01:01:02.568
I know it's, it's a private thing to me to some extent.

01:01:02.597 --> 01:01:12.032
Um, I, I don't really go to church anymore, um, partially because of COVID and laziness, but non denominational, for sure, I still listen to service quite a bit on the weekends.

01:01:12.052 --> 01:01:12.773
Okay, okay.

01:01:12.773 --> 01:01:13.342
Um, yeah.

01:01:13.402 --> 01:01:14.922
So you still think Jesus is cool, you just don't?

01:01:15.413 --> 01:01:16.003
Absolutely.

01:01:16.003 --> 01:01:18.813
Don't give them too much of your time anymore, kind of, right now, at least.

01:01:18.822 --> 01:01:20.262
Maybe that's a decent way to put it, yeah.

01:01:20.472 --> 01:01:21.952
Jesus is pretty dang cool.

01:01:21.972 --> 01:01:22.632
Um, yeah.

01:01:22.722 --> 01:01:24.643
I still pray, but it's mostly God.

01:01:25.643 --> 01:01:27.702
Please don't let this contract in.

01:01:27.952 --> 01:01:29.643
And do you identify Catholic?

01:01:29.762 --> 01:01:31.822
Or do you identify Non denominational.

01:01:31.822 --> 01:01:31.882
Non denominational.

01:01:31.882 --> 01:01:33.003
I'd say non denominational.

01:01:33.003 --> 01:01:33.393
Yeah.

01:01:33.432 --> 01:01:35.353
I've gone to Foundations Church for quite a while.

01:01:35.362 --> 01:01:35.742
Okay.

01:01:35.773 --> 01:01:36.123
And Flatirons.

01:01:36.373 --> 01:01:40.713
So, when you go Christmas, Eastern, stuff like that a little bit?

01:01:40.713 --> 01:01:42.063
That's what I listen to on the weekends.

01:01:42.083 --> 01:01:42.563
Oh, gotcha.

01:01:42.583 --> 01:01:42.802
Go.

01:01:42.972 --> 01:01:44.043
Oh, so you're part of that community?

01:01:45.603 --> 01:01:48.043
And I really like, what is uh, is it Zac Brown?

01:01:48.072 --> 01:01:49.172
Like, Toes in the Sun?

01:01:49.592 --> 01:01:49.972
No.

01:01:50.432 --> 01:01:51.213
What's that song?

01:01:52.182 --> 01:01:55.052
Like, you know, I can, I can do the God thing, sit in front of the ocean.

01:01:55.092 --> 01:01:55.603
Right, right.

01:01:55.623 --> 01:01:56.452
No, I agree with that.

01:01:56.853 --> 01:01:57.452
Or the mountains.

01:01:57.572 --> 01:01:58.422
Or on top of a mountain.

01:01:58.422 --> 01:01:58.632
Yeah.

01:01:59.202 --> 01:02:04.112
Or, for me, like, going fast on a curvy canyon on my motorcycle.

01:02:04.143 --> 01:02:05.793
You better do a lot of praying when you do that.

01:02:05.913 --> 01:02:10.213
Oh, don't have enough bandwidth, gotta pay all the attention to the traction quotient there.

01:02:11.777 --> 01:02:13.777
I did have both of my children baptized.

01:02:13.858 --> 01:02:14.208
Okay.

01:02:14.237 --> 01:02:16.467
Whether or not they wanted it, they didn't have a choice in the matter.

01:02:16.677 --> 01:02:18.677
Um, but that was just how I grew up.

01:02:18.677 --> 01:02:19.007
Yeah.

01:02:19.097 --> 01:02:19.518
Yeah.

01:02:20.177 --> 01:02:22.318
Let's shift the same question to you, young Isaac.

01:02:23.018 --> 01:02:24.918
I would definitely say I'm more spiritual than religious.

01:02:24.918 --> 01:02:25.237
Okay.

01:02:25.867 --> 01:02:29.538
So you haven't, like, gotten baptized for yourself, for example.

01:02:29.547 --> 01:02:30.188
That's correct.

01:02:30.248 --> 01:02:30.407
Yeah.

01:02:30.427 --> 01:02:31.157
That's correct, yeah.

01:02:31.688 --> 01:02:38.907
No, I think, I think if you step back and, and pay attention to what's going on in the world, there's too many signs that things are interconnected to ignore.

01:02:38.907 --> 01:02:38.918
Right.

01:02:38.918 --> 01:02:38.927
Bye.

01:02:39.407 --> 01:02:41.608
Um, what facilitates that?

01:02:42.157 --> 01:02:42.867
I can't answer.

01:02:42.887 --> 01:02:43.358
Yeah, yeah.

01:02:43.757 --> 01:02:50.117
Um, so, so, not gonna go full atheist, cause that's like, not believable hardly.

01:02:50.318 --> 01:02:59.047
But whether it's the, the Christian God, or whether what Jesus did actually does what they say it does.

01:02:59.572 --> 01:03:01.072
Kind of thing you're not quite convinced there.

01:03:01.612 --> 01:03:07.733
It's just, it's, you know, I, I, we've seen how quickly a story can evolve and change in a five year period.

01:03:08.163 --> 01:03:08.333
Right.

01:03:08.333 --> 01:03:11.862
It makes me wonder, you know, how much things have changed in a two thousand year period.

01:03:12.422 --> 01:03:20.552
It's hard for me to ascribe any sort of, um Do you do any kind of investigations into that sphere?

01:03:21.103 --> 01:03:21.862
No, I Spend any time?

01:03:21.922 --> 01:03:23.222
I can't say I have really.

01:03:24.483 --> 01:03:26.293
I, I Are you a Jordan Peterson guy?

01:03:26.362 --> 01:03:26.572
No.

01:03:26.572 --> 01:03:26.713
No.

01:03:27.132 --> 01:03:28.992
Um, I've, I've listened to a fair amount of his stuff.

01:03:29.313 --> 01:03:30.583
Um, I, I do enjoy it a lot.

01:03:30.583 --> 01:03:36.563
Cherry picks some of his stuff because he's been exploring, like, when I started listening to him, he was definitely not a Christian.

01:03:37.503 --> 01:03:57.932
And, I wouldn't, he would say he, I, almost like identifies as a Christian now, but, but the big thing is he's, I would say he's almost like, even if Christianity is poppycock, like the, the mythology and the power and the depth of the revelation of it, is beyond anything else that the world currently offers.

01:03:58.983 --> 01:03:59.742
If that makes sense.

01:04:00.873 --> 01:04:07.592
Uh, just kind of like it's, who knows if it's true, but it's obviously the best one, and so I should, might as well act like that.

01:04:08.032 --> 01:04:10.422
And that was what I told my father in law when I first went to church.

01:04:10.432 --> 01:04:12.592
I was like, it'll probably turn me into a better guy.

01:04:13.393 --> 01:04:13.922
It's not gonna make you worse.

01:04:13.932 --> 01:04:15.302
Even if it ain't right, yeah.

01:04:15.592 --> 01:04:16.503
It's not gonna make you worse.

01:04:16.842 --> 01:04:17.572
Unlikely, yeah.

01:04:18.382 --> 01:04:20.123
Taking point, putting your pointer at anything.

01:04:20.697 --> 01:04:31.307
I think having something, that's one of the big things I've been concerned with the last few years is, like, if God is dead, then the state is God, and if the state is God, then we're all fucked, kind of.

01:04:31.307 --> 01:04:31.757
Yeah, yeah.

01:04:32.637 --> 01:04:36.297
Um, and so that's kind of where I, where I hang my notion.

01:04:36.507 --> 01:04:52.697
Well, and, and, and for those that think either themself or the state is the highest thing, like, even if it, even if it's not, it's interesting, God is like a useful concept even if it's not true.

01:04:53.402 --> 01:04:54.132
In some ways.

01:04:54.172 --> 01:04:56.072
Like, having something that is above all.

01:04:56.123 --> 01:04:56.373
Yep.

01:04:56.813 --> 01:04:58.463
Um, and what those principles stand for.

01:04:58.463 --> 01:05:00.992
So, anyway, that's just a little bit of my old guy's talk.

01:05:00.992 --> 01:05:01.672
I like that.

01:05:01.672 --> 01:05:02.353
I like that.

01:05:02.353 --> 01:05:06.072
Um, and I don't know which one is right, which one is more right.

01:05:06.072 --> 01:05:12.623
But I think anything that does have, you know, even Judaism with a different, with the same God but a different creed.

01:05:13.273 --> 01:05:17.103
Uh, it's still more useful than like, I just let my pointer spin.

01:05:17.233 --> 01:05:18.563
Mm hmm.

01:05:18.563 --> 01:05:18.612
Agreed.

01:05:18.623 --> 01:05:18.862
Yeah.

01:05:18.913 --> 01:05:19.262
Yeah.

01:05:19.302 --> 01:05:20.052
It's a good way to put it.

01:05:20.202 --> 01:05:22.143
Um, so faith, family.

01:05:22.222 --> 01:05:25.003
Um, we always do a one word description of the children.

01:05:25.163 --> 01:05:27.572
Trish, would you like to do that with, uh?

01:05:27.813 --> 01:05:28.893
Two bonus children as well.

01:05:28.922 --> 01:05:29.262
Okay.

01:05:29.293 --> 01:05:30.083
Brian has two.

01:05:30.172 --> 01:05:30.523
All right.

01:05:30.532 --> 01:05:32.052
And we've been together 10 years, 11 years.

01:05:32.123 --> 01:05:33.233
Long enough to get to know them for, for that.

01:05:33.233 --> 01:05:33.833
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:05:34.043 --> 01:05:34.282
They're great.

01:05:34.282 --> 01:05:34.947
Absolutely.

01:05:34.947 --> 01:05:36.282
Um, do you want to start?

01:05:36.458 --> 01:05:43.478
Go in age or yeah, just one word and you can, you could expand on it from there, but it's, it's hard to refine things to one word sometimes.

01:05:43.568 --> 01:05:49.418
Well Emma's 24, Isaac's 28, Rachel's 27, that's his youngest, and Ryan is 30.

01:05:49.617 --> 01:05:56.248
Oh interesting, that was a really close, like you guys were all kind of the same age and that was all, We do family vacations and they're all very close.

01:05:56.248 --> 01:06:00.478
I wouldn't say they, they didn't really grow up together, but they would be there for each other if they need each other.

01:06:00.478 --> 01:06:01.677
They get along great when they're together.

01:06:01.708 --> 01:06:01.867
Yeah.

01:06:01.867 --> 01:06:02.097
Yeah.

01:06:02.108 --> 01:06:02.458
They're great.

01:06:02.577 --> 01:06:03.838
I've got step siblings now too.

01:06:03.838 --> 01:06:08.277
My dad and my dad and mom divorced after my wife and I married when I was like 30.

01:06:08.458 --> 01:06:09.068
That's different.

01:06:09.108 --> 01:06:12.527
And then my dad remarried and I've got a few more siblings, but, and that's been neat.

01:06:12.538 --> 01:06:14.677
It's a different experience than I get.

01:06:14.757 --> 01:06:15.427
I really like it.

01:06:16.277 --> 01:06:18.467
Um, anyway, so back to you, Trish.

01:06:18.538 --> 01:06:19.487
I really have a word.

01:06:19.487 --> 01:06:20.688
I'm very grateful.

01:06:20.708 --> 01:06:23.007
I'm grateful that our family is close.

01:06:23.313 --> 01:06:23.603
Yeah.

01:06:23.733 --> 01:06:27.742
I get to see the kids a lot, um, I get along great with his dad.

01:06:27.742 --> 01:06:29.733
We get along great with Brian's ex wife.

01:06:29.762 --> 01:06:34.512
It's just, it's like a level, different tiers of family and we're still all family.

01:06:34.572 --> 01:06:35.032
I dig it.

01:06:35.172 --> 01:06:35.722
I dig it.

01:06:36.023 --> 01:06:37.773
How about the, the two closest?

01:06:37.773 --> 01:06:39.943
Will you give me a one word for Isaac and Emma?

01:06:42.822 --> 01:06:47.592
How often do you ask that question with the, uh, focus of the word sitting next to the one talking?

01:06:47.802 --> 01:06:50.742
Oh, you know, whenever it happens to be, um.

01:06:50.853 --> 01:06:51.632
Blessed.

01:06:52.422 --> 01:06:53.152
Isaac is blessed.

01:06:53.152 --> 01:06:55.012
I am very, I am blessed to have them both.

01:06:56.362 --> 01:06:58.353
No, I want a different word for each of them.

01:06:59.382 --> 01:07:01.583
One word for Isaac and one word for Emma.

01:07:04.012 --> 01:07:04.733
I want to say Mr.

01:07:04.733 --> 01:07:07.833
Clean for Isaac, but it's just because That's my go to Halloween costume.

01:07:08.362 --> 01:07:09.853
His dad used to do it too.

01:07:11.472 --> 01:07:13.682
Glue a couple cotton balls, get a gold earring, wear white, you're done.

01:07:15.233 --> 01:07:17.012
Oh my goodness, you're making me think on my feet.

01:07:17.043 --> 01:07:19.402
Um, that describes him.

01:07:20.213 --> 01:07:25.092
Yeah, maybe it's right now, maybe it's over time even.

01:07:27.112 --> 01:07:29.762
I can only, I feel very selfish because I'm only thinking what I think.

01:07:29.802 --> 01:07:32.132
Um Outgoing.

01:07:32.132 --> 01:07:32.992
It's too boring.

01:07:33.623 --> 01:07:38.472
I can't put it into one word, but if he puts his mind to it, he can be driven.

01:07:38.592 --> 01:07:39.052
Driven.

01:07:39.193 --> 01:07:39.532
Yes.

01:07:39.572 --> 01:07:40.083
Very driven.

01:07:40.443 --> 01:07:41.143
Keep going, Kurt.

01:07:41.143 --> 01:07:41.833
I mean, I like your list.

01:07:41.842 --> 01:07:42.452
Yeah.

01:07:43.733 --> 01:07:43.952
Driven.

01:07:44.043 --> 01:07:44.713
It's a great one.

01:07:44.722 --> 01:07:49.273
Like he definitely puts his mind to something and he makes it focused perhaps.

01:07:49.302 --> 01:07:50.623
Uh, maybe not that though.

01:07:50.643 --> 01:07:53.842
Cause he seems like he's an inch deep and a mile wide, so it's more driven than focused.

01:07:54.163 --> 01:07:54.802
I would agree with that.

01:07:55.693 --> 01:07:57.052
Um, Emma, Emma.

01:07:58.603 --> 01:07:59.012
Hmm.

01:08:00.632 --> 01:08:01.543
She's overcome some.

01:08:01.972 --> 01:08:04.693
Some obstacles and she has now got her master's in social work.

01:08:04.693 --> 01:08:05.842
I'm so proud of her.

01:08:05.873 --> 01:08:08.092
Um, what's a good word for that?

01:08:09.083 --> 01:08:09.733
Resilient.

01:08:09.782 --> 01:08:10.313
Resilient.

01:08:10.373 --> 01:08:10.693
Yeah.

01:08:10.702 --> 01:08:11.163
Very resilient.

01:08:11.632 --> 01:08:19.252
You know, being someone that has overcome is going to be very important for her in the social work realm.

01:08:19.563 --> 01:08:20.363
Oh, she's fantastic.

01:08:20.372 --> 01:08:25.012
Because people, social workers that have never actually went through anything are just not nearly as good at it.

01:08:26.512 --> 01:08:27.342
From my experience.

01:08:27.382 --> 01:08:27.773
Agreed.

01:08:28.073 --> 01:08:29.893
Um, let's talk about Brian a little bit.

01:08:29.922 --> 01:08:30.113
Huh?

01:08:30.653 --> 01:08:31.342
Brian.

01:08:31.653 --> 01:08:31.922
Yeah.

01:08:32.332 --> 01:08:33.233
Where'd you find him?

01:08:33.243 --> 01:08:34.582
I found him on Match.

01:08:34.582 --> 01:08:35.643
I was about done.

01:08:36.012 --> 01:08:37.212
I was about done dating.

01:08:37.222 --> 01:08:41.353
Isaac was about to go off to college and I was like, I'm just, we're going to downsize him.

01:08:41.353 --> 01:08:44.582
Oh, we're going to go move to a condo and found him on Match.

01:08:44.592 --> 01:08:48.573
He, after kissing several frogs over eight years, have a few relationships.

01:08:48.603 --> 01:08:51.182
Um, he is absolutely wonderful.

01:08:51.212 --> 01:08:52.233
He's a wonderful husband.

01:08:52.233 --> 01:08:52.953
He's a wonderful dad.

01:08:52.953 --> 01:08:54.033
He's wonderful stepdad.

01:08:54.033 --> 01:08:54.943
He's a great person.

01:08:55.912 --> 01:08:57.162
Um, my children love him.

01:08:57.162 --> 01:08:57.823
They love him.

01:08:57.832 --> 01:08:58.182
Yeah.

01:08:58.243 --> 01:08:58.523
Oh yeah.

01:08:59.082 --> 01:09:00.012
Was it just like that?

01:09:00.113 --> 01:09:00.363
Like.

01:09:00.747 --> 01:09:08.757
After the first date, like after four dates, we knew, okay, we knew, and we got engaged six months later and married a year and a half after we met.

01:09:08.847 --> 01:09:11.408
Okay, I've been together for 11 years already.

01:09:11.408 --> 01:09:12.047
Kind of old people.

01:09:12.047 --> 01:09:13.618
That's really fast in today's world.

01:09:13.768 --> 01:09:15.417
And nobody thought we were crazy, right?

01:09:15.427 --> 01:09:17.702
That's awesome because they're like, it just fits.

01:09:17.702 --> 01:09:18.368
It just works.

01:09:18.368 --> 01:09:19.877
Yeah, sometimes it just works.

01:09:19.877 --> 01:09:20.438
It just works.

01:09:20.438 --> 01:09:21.948
My favorite person to be with in the whole world.

01:09:22.018 --> 01:09:22.497
I love it.

01:09:22.948 --> 01:09:26.217
Um, Isaac, you mentioned a fiance earlier in this conversation.

01:09:26.217 --> 01:09:26.898
You want to talk about that?

01:09:27.087 --> 01:09:27.557
This person?

01:09:28.068 --> 01:09:28.877
Yeah, yeah.

01:09:28.917 --> 01:09:29.757
Uh, her name's Tina.

01:09:29.868 --> 01:09:30.217
Okay.

01:09:30.268 --> 01:09:31.768
We actually knew each other in college.

01:09:31.787 --> 01:09:32.158
Okay.

01:09:32.307 --> 01:09:37.387
Um, she's got a funny story she likes to tell about when we were riding on a, a bus to the Rocky Mountain Showdown.

01:09:37.417 --> 01:09:38.148
Back when they did it in Denver.

01:09:38.148 --> 01:09:38.587
Oh, sure.

01:09:38.667 --> 01:09:39.018
Yep.

01:09:39.167 --> 01:09:43.677
Uh, and, and I was in the seat in front of her and we got to talking and I got her phone number but I never texted her.

01:09:44.537 --> 01:09:46.637
Oh, I guess that was uncommon for her in college.

01:09:46.698 --> 01:09:47.137
Right.

01:09:48.097 --> 01:09:48.307
Yeah.

01:09:48.427 --> 01:09:49.537
She's very attractive.

01:09:49.807 --> 01:09:56.148
Um, and then it was like 2021, I guess that was, uh, you know, obviously we didn't, we saw each other at parties.

01:09:56.148 --> 01:09:57.268
We knew who the other was.

01:09:57.337 --> 01:09:57.627
Yeah.

01:09:57.658 --> 01:09:59.547
Never really interfaced other than that.

01:09:59.557 --> 01:10:04.768
But in 2021 or so, yeah, no, it was, uh, yeah, probably like May 2021.

01:10:05.377 --> 01:10:12.868
I was at the gym, and it was really busy, and I needed a squat rack, and I saw a girl taking weights off of a barbell.

01:10:13.118 --> 01:10:15.158
So I scurried over there, because I didn't want anyone else to get it.

01:10:15.698 --> 01:10:16.438
I said, hey, are you done with that?

01:10:16.438 --> 01:10:17.917
And she turned around and was like, wait, I know you.

01:10:18.618 --> 01:10:22.417
And one thing led to another, and yeah, that was three years ago.

01:10:22.858 --> 01:10:24.097
We got engaged June 1st this year.

01:10:24.818 --> 01:10:25.707
Talk to me about her.

01:10:26.108 --> 01:10:28.188
Um, what's she doing with her life?

01:10:28.328 --> 01:10:29.927
She works for the CSU Foundation.

01:10:30.007 --> 01:10:30.358
Okay.

01:10:30.682 --> 01:10:34.703
Yep, so she's an operations coordinator, um, handles a lot of gift receipt logistics.

01:10:34.752 --> 01:10:37.672
Okay, so she doesn't have to call people and ask them for money.

01:10:37.712 --> 01:10:41.262
She just sends them their receipt after they've already given, makes sure they got it.

01:10:41.453 --> 01:10:44.493
Yep, people call her and say, have you got my million dollar check yet?

01:10:45.153 --> 01:10:46.912
And here's, is it going where I want it to go?

01:10:47.387 --> 01:10:47.728
Right.

01:10:48.297 --> 01:10:48.547
Cool.

01:10:48.887 --> 01:10:49.207
Fun.

01:10:49.507 --> 01:10:54.768
What, uh, why do you think this pretty lady let you ask her out a second time?

01:10:57.597 --> 01:10:58.457
That's a good question.

01:10:59.997 --> 01:11:02.698
It requires some reflection and introspection.

01:11:03.358 --> 01:11:04.278
Ask her out a second time.

01:11:04.448 --> 01:11:08.188
Um I mean, I was pretty persistent.

01:11:09.448 --> 01:11:09.717
Okay.

01:11:10.167 --> 01:11:11.427
All not, not, not in a weird way.

01:11:11.427 --> 01:11:13.917
I, like, I, I, I'd known her for years and knew she was funny.

01:11:13.917 --> 01:11:14.997
I knew she was Yeah.

01:11:15.057 --> 01:11:16.347
You made I kind of knew what she was about.

01:11:16.347 --> 01:11:20.637
Well, and uh, I like to say, uh, flattery will get you everywhere with me.

01:11:21.118 --> 01:11:26.618
I mean, it's not necessarily flattery, but like if she could perceive that you really thought she was.

01:11:29.207 --> 01:11:32.347
There's not much more I like in a person than for them to really think I'm awesome.

01:11:32.917 --> 01:11:35.268
Yeah, no, I think that's, that's, that's inherently human, Kurt.

01:11:35.318 --> 01:11:36.177
It's not just you.

01:11:36.997 --> 01:11:38.457
And I think it probably goes both ways.

01:11:38.528 --> 01:11:39.507
Exactly, yeah, yeah.

01:11:39.658 --> 01:11:40.757
So, dig it?

01:11:40.858 --> 01:11:44.868
Yeah, no, and uh, we were, we were kind of just friends at first, I guess.

01:11:45.037 --> 01:11:45.398
Okay.

01:11:45.408 --> 01:11:48.967
You didn't push it too hard, which also is refreshing sometimes.

01:11:48.978 --> 01:11:49.887
Yeah, yeah.

01:11:49.887 --> 01:11:51.257
In this modern era, I suppose.

01:11:51.287 --> 01:11:52.448
Definitely, definitely.

01:11:52.497 --> 01:11:57.257
Um, I think timing, as we spoke of earlier in the podcast, played a solid role.

01:11:57.648 --> 01:12:00.698
She was, she just graduated, was trying to figure out what she wanted to do.

01:12:01.262 --> 01:12:05.563
Um, she had gotten out of a longer relationship a little bit prior to us kind of reconnecting.

01:12:05.563 --> 01:12:05.832
Yeah.

01:12:05.953 --> 01:12:06.233
Yeah.

01:12:06.233 --> 01:12:07.283
It's far enough away.

01:12:07.292 --> 01:12:07.703
Exactly.

01:12:07.703 --> 01:12:08.483
It wasn't fresh.

01:12:08.693 --> 01:12:09.132
Exactly.

01:12:09.143 --> 01:12:11.363
No rebound guy risk or not too much.

01:12:11.403 --> 01:12:12.353
Maybe I was the rebound guy.

01:12:12.353 --> 01:12:12.842
Who knows?

01:12:12.842 --> 01:12:13.813
But as long as it's stuck.

01:12:15.113 --> 01:12:15.842
She adores him.

01:12:15.842 --> 01:12:17.082
She absolutely adores him.

01:12:17.092 --> 01:12:17.393
Yeah.

01:12:17.393 --> 01:12:17.912
She's awesome.

01:12:18.153 --> 01:12:19.143
You are pretty adorable.

01:12:19.622 --> 01:12:20.033
Thank you, Kurt.

01:12:20.073 --> 01:12:22.993
Um, that's Faith Family Politics.

01:12:23.023 --> 01:12:25.603
And we got about, uh, 14 minutes or so.

01:12:25.832 --> 01:12:30.113
Um, Oh, I just saw, I was actually right before you guys got here.

01:12:30.113 --> 01:12:34.773
Tulsi Gabbard gave a big speech endorsing Donald Trump today, which is interesting.

01:12:35.233 --> 01:12:39.243
Um, she's one of my favorite people in politics in some respects.

01:12:39.243 --> 01:12:41.172
He's just a pretty straight shooter in my opinion.

01:12:41.672 --> 01:12:44.643
Uh, what, uh, Trish, let's go back to you.

01:12:45.193 --> 01:12:54.172
What's, uh, you're not, well, it's interesting cause I, I was a pretty diehard liberal most of my early, maybe early adult life.

01:12:54.233 --> 01:12:54.582
Okay.

01:12:55.573 --> 01:12:58.042
In fact, Brian and I were very, that was our biggest difference.

01:12:58.573 --> 01:12:59.703
I was pretty diehard liberal.

01:12:59.703 --> 01:13:00.563
He was very conservative.

01:13:01.603 --> 01:13:09.342
Then you own a business and I'm not going to get too detailed here, but I, you can, you own a business too.

01:13:09.353 --> 01:13:16.143
You can see the amount of stuff that has come down the pipe and yeah, it's, it's crazy.

01:13:16.162 --> 01:13:17.813
It's absolutely insane.

01:13:17.863 --> 01:13:22.332
Um, so yeah, that's, I, I, I will say that I can think for myself.

01:13:22.372 --> 01:13:24.872
I'm not, I don't, I have a little bit of.

01:13:25.688 --> 01:13:28.448
Yeah, you know, you're a closet libertarian too.

01:13:28.898 --> 01:13:30.018
Maybe that maybe that's a word.

01:13:30.018 --> 01:13:40.457
I don't know enough about it But yeah, like there's some stuff on both sides I should truly believe in but so you want to talk about well What are some of your big most important things in the political realm?

01:13:40.537 --> 01:13:51.007
I think the legislative side on business owners has been a real I'm on the CSA Colorado Staffing Association board And so I'm very involved in the legislative piece of things kind of the regulatory bird.

01:13:51.047 --> 01:13:53.688
Yes, and it has really been enlightening Yeah.

01:13:53.698 --> 01:13:55.948
It's really been enlightening over the past few years.

01:13:55.957 --> 01:13:57.097
So that has been huge.

01:13:57.127 --> 01:14:02.408
Um, that's one thing I don't know if I should say this publicly, but it will.

01:14:02.438 --> 01:14:06.257
I am not a fan of abortion, but I do not think it should be outlawed.

01:14:06.457 --> 01:14:06.688
Yeah.

01:14:07.028 --> 01:14:08.057
Um, that is one thing.

01:14:08.057 --> 01:14:11.087
What do you think about how it is now where states can have different rules about abortion?

01:14:12.287 --> 01:14:14.858
I kind of think it's bullshit because they're just going to go get it somewhere else.

01:14:14.938 --> 01:14:15.328
Right.

01:14:15.648 --> 01:14:17.087
Well, but isn't that kind of okay?

01:14:17.207 --> 01:14:19.698
I, A little bit?

01:14:20.198 --> 01:14:20.578
I don't know.

01:14:20.627 --> 01:14:21.307
I don't know.

01:14:21.728 --> 01:14:25.608
That's what, that's what I've always felt was it wasn't really the federal government's business.

01:14:25.637 --> 01:14:36.618
And, and especially if, like, if somebody wants to go from, like, wants to mail order some abortion drugs to Alabama, but it's illegal in Alabama, but there's no legal risk, like.

01:14:37.188 --> 01:14:39.488
As long as they can get it elsewhere, I suppose that's fine.

01:14:39.557 --> 01:14:57.233
Or go across state lines, even, like, I'm sorry, but every state in the union, if they If you can't drive two hours to go get an abortion, then you should probably change your lifestyle to a little bit more, you know, and I get it, you know, buses and all that, but I'd rather it be state regulated than federal for sure.

01:14:57.233 --> 01:15:02.962
Society flourishes more when, when, when, when responsibility is higher, I think, than it has gotten to be.

01:15:04.363 --> 01:15:04.613
Anyway.

01:15:05.103 --> 01:15:07.903
How about, uh, how about you, Isaac Kov?

01:15:09.162 --> 01:15:10.073
What was that last word again?

01:15:10.363 --> 01:15:11.103
Isaac Kov.

01:15:11.103 --> 01:15:11.613
Isaac Kov.

01:15:11.613 --> 01:15:12.502
Isaac Kov.

01:15:12.582 --> 01:15:12.802
Um.

01:15:12.872 --> 01:15:14.582
What would you like to say in the political space?

01:15:14.613 --> 01:15:16.122
I'm going to bring it back to you too, Trish.

01:15:16.122 --> 01:15:16.853
You're not off yet.

01:15:16.912 --> 01:15:18.733
I'm just, uh, going to ask, uh.

01:15:18.762 --> 01:15:20.023
I don't love talking about that.

01:15:20.082 --> 01:15:20.762
I know.

01:15:21.622 --> 01:15:22.762
That's probably why he likes asking them.

01:15:22.823 --> 01:15:23.143
Yeah.

01:15:23.162 --> 01:15:23.662
Mm hmm.

01:15:24.082 --> 01:15:25.667
Not people, not many people get asked about that.

01:15:25.667 --> 01:15:36.967
Where, where, you, I, I have to, um, Compliment you in that, uh, probably you've dropped me like three or four notes over the last three or four years saying, Hey, good blog.

01:15:37.557 --> 01:15:39.448
It's probably about as much as any one person.

01:15:39.457 --> 01:15:45.118
Like I get one or two or three most months, but it's not the same person very often and stuff.

01:15:45.618 --> 01:15:57.587
Um, what is it about, like, is it the willingness to say things that might be less than, um, politically correct or somewhat controversial?

01:15:57.597 --> 01:15:58.518
Or what is it about?

01:15:58.938 --> 01:16:04.358
My writing topics or style that causes you to hit reply and say hey good one this time.

01:16:04.457 --> 01:16:05.797
No, no That's a good question.

01:16:05.837 --> 01:16:08.108
And I do like your blogs very much.

01:16:08.667 --> 01:16:10.858
It's I think a function of both, right?

01:16:10.858 --> 01:16:20.148
There's not a lot of people that are willing to put themselves out there publicly and share what they think Yeah, without fear of repercussion and being a business owner certainly does allow Right.

01:16:20.198 --> 01:16:24.302
No, seriously, it's like, you know, you You, you can't, you can't get fired.

01:16:24.302 --> 01:16:29.073
You can't, well, I guess, but your customers can quit, which is almost more dangerous.

01:16:29.103 --> 01:16:32.643
Like I've had a lot of business owners be like, dude, you're doing it wrong.

01:16:32.653 --> 01:16:35.722
Like as a business owner, you're supposed to totally stay off of that rail.

01:16:36.347 --> 01:16:37.978
Have you lost members by function of the blog?

01:16:38.257 --> 01:16:39.247
Eh, a handful.

01:16:39.417 --> 01:16:39.667
Yeah?

01:16:39.738 --> 01:16:41.328
And probably gained a handful.

01:16:41.377 --> 01:16:41.408
Sure.

01:16:41.417 --> 01:16:47.118
You know, I think it's probably, I don't know, I would say it's a net wash probably.

01:16:47.807 --> 01:16:55.167
Like, there's probably some members that are still with me that are stuck with me because they just appreciate that I'm a crazy guy like that.

01:16:55.287 --> 01:16:55.478
Mm hmm.

01:16:55.528 --> 01:17:00.057
And others that are like, man, I would never go back to that crazy guy's organization.

01:17:00.757 --> 01:17:01.127
I don't know.

01:17:02.193 --> 01:17:07.972
Well, I guess to answer the second part of your question, yeah, no, I appreciate that you're willing to speak publicly about things that many would not.

01:17:08.533 --> 01:17:17.903
But also, uh, I don't think a lot of people today in particular step back to Look at issues kind of objectively and omnisciently.

01:17:17.903 --> 01:17:18.773
Try to think of things.

01:17:18.783 --> 01:17:20.922
Yeah, and think of the why.

01:17:21.682 --> 01:17:24.222
You know, a lot of people, well, and we've been trained to do it, right?

01:17:24.222 --> 01:17:26.172
By function of media and politics and things.

01:17:26.172 --> 01:17:28.547
To just snap react to the emotional component of the headline.

01:17:28.547 --> 01:17:30.323
Yeah, I got 144 characters to make a point.

01:17:30.382 --> 01:17:30.872
Exactly.

01:17:30.932 --> 01:17:31.542
That I've done.

01:17:31.552 --> 01:17:31.912
Exactly.

01:17:32.422 --> 01:17:34.203
And everybody's fighting for attention.

01:17:34.203 --> 01:17:34.802
I dig it.

01:17:34.832 --> 01:17:38.103
Um, and so people don't take the time to often.

01:17:38.967 --> 01:17:40.307
Follow the trail, right?

01:17:40.337 --> 01:17:47.637
Like what, and ask why and figure out what kind of the impetus of some of, you know, policy changes might be.

01:17:47.698 --> 01:17:48.247
Yeah, I dig it.

01:17:48.247 --> 01:17:51.207
Or the repercussions, or how is this intertwined with this?

01:17:51.228 --> 01:17:53.747
And then how does that trickle down to the end user?

01:17:54.207 --> 01:17:54.658
Yeah, yeah.

01:17:54.667 --> 01:17:56.217
And why does that make sense or not?

01:17:56.278 --> 01:17:56.698
Yeah, yeah.

01:17:56.707 --> 01:17:58.488
Relative to kind of the narrative and agenda that's being pushed.

01:17:58.497 --> 01:17:59.057
I appreciate that.

01:17:59.097 --> 01:17:59.688
And things like that.

01:17:59.717 --> 01:18:00.557
Thank you, thank you.

01:18:00.677 --> 01:18:00.908
Sure.

01:18:01.078 --> 01:18:05.898
Um, so where, are you politically homeless now, Trish?

01:18:05.898 --> 01:18:05.957
Sure.

01:18:06.238 --> 01:18:06.637
No.

01:18:06.637 --> 01:18:07.992
Is that the way you feel?

01:18:07.992 --> 01:18:08.217
No.

01:18:08.217 --> 01:18:11.167
I mean, I'll, I'll definitely be on the Trump, Trump wagon.

01:18:11.217 --> 01:18:12.037
Not a big fan.

01:18:12.457 --> 01:18:13.347
He's not my favorite person.

01:18:13.347 --> 01:18:14.438
Hold your nose and vote.

01:18:14.478 --> 01:18:18.568
But, but, as far as where our country needs to go, I definitely think he's the top.

01:18:18.568 --> 01:18:23.807
Well, and what do you think about the process by which Biden became the nominee and then Harris?

01:18:25.688 --> 01:18:27.078
I don't really have good words for that.

01:18:27.078 --> 01:18:43.997
Well, I, I guess my, my take on that is that that's another instance where I don't think a lot of people who are normally, uh, very willing to stand up and, and be loud about things took the liberty to stand back and say, wait a minute, we didn't have a say in this.

01:18:43.997 --> 01:18:46.217
We didn't, we didn't get to elect our nominee.

01:18:46.217 --> 01:18:48.898
We didn't get to have any input whatsoever.

01:18:48.898 --> 01:18:50.457
This was everybody.

01:18:50.832 --> 01:18:57.313
Clearly knew he wasn't going to make it to be the nominee, but nobody really asked what was going to happen or how they were going to handle it.

01:18:57.932 --> 01:19:12.403
And then when, when there was just a, for lack of a better term, an executive decision made by somebody, by somebody who's been probably more influential this whole time than any of us would care to admit, they just kind of said, okay, here we go.

01:19:12.502 --> 01:19:20.132
And, and yeah, there were some people speaking out against the swap out and stuff, and then as soon as it was decided, they just shut the hell up.

01:19:20.462 --> 01:19:28.582
Well, and you know, every, every, I, I support everybody's, you know, freedom to, to think what they want to think and, and say what they want to say.

01:19:28.582 --> 01:19:29.323
That's very important.

01:19:29.323 --> 01:19:37.273
But I also don't totally understand how people can flip a switch overnight from worst vice president ever to Kamala the savior.

01:19:37.332 --> 01:19:38.222
Exactly.

01:19:38.483 --> 01:19:39.113
No, seriously.

01:19:39.653 --> 01:19:40.323
You just took the words out of my mouth.

01:19:40.382 --> 01:19:41.403
It's pretty loud.

01:19:41.403 --> 01:19:45.193
She's been absentee for lack of a better term, mostly.

01:19:45.568 --> 01:19:51.398
The entire administration, and then overnight with the flip of a switch, she's going to save the country.

01:19:51.398 --> 01:19:54.757
Although she's actually had the opportunity to effect change for the past few years and hasn't done it.

01:19:54.757 --> 01:19:55.417
Presumably.

01:19:55.828 --> 01:19:58.217
Either that or the presidential position doesn't matter at all.

01:19:58.278 --> 01:19:58.648
Right.

01:19:58.757 --> 01:20:00.198
So I have some concern there.

01:20:00.757 --> 01:20:03.467
Do you want to hear my summary of this situation?

01:20:03.518 --> 01:20:04.078
That'd be great.

01:20:05.167 --> 01:20:07.037
Hopefully I haven't said it on the podcast before.

01:20:07.037 --> 01:20:07.457
I might have.

01:20:07.488 --> 01:20:12.618
But, uh, the vegetable makes way for the plant without a vote to save democracy.

01:20:15.103 --> 01:20:15.212
You might.

01:20:16.182 --> 01:20:17.092
I have to think about this.

01:20:17.243 --> 01:20:17.823
Okay.

01:20:18.092 --> 01:20:23.332
The vegetable is Biden, the plant is Harris, without a vote to save democracy.

01:20:23.472 --> 01:20:25.393
Okay, I'm following you, I like that.

01:20:25.393 --> 01:20:26.342
That took me a minute.

01:20:26.393 --> 01:20:29.153
That did me too, that's good, you had to help us a bit.

01:20:29.153 --> 01:20:30.958
I saw you, Trish, when it clicked.

01:20:30.958 --> 01:20:31.733
Yep, yep, yep.

01:20:31.733 --> 01:20:36.613
I just, what it feels like, it's like, like nobody would have ever voted for Kamala Harris to be the nominee.

01:20:36.682 --> 01:20:37.262
Oh no.

01:20:37.323 --> 01:20:39.092
Like, Robert Kennedy Jr.

01:20:39.103 --> 01:20:50.082
would have Beat the pants off of her in the democratic primary if he had have been allowed to compete in the democratic democratic Primary, well, maybe maybe you know the answer to this.

01:20:50.082 --> 01:20:53.412
I don't like are there going to be debates now with our new candidate?

01:20:53.693 --> 01:20:54.762
There was one schedule.

01:20:54.762 --> 01:20:56.143
They're supposed to be a second.

01:20:56.172 --> 01:20:56.542
Okay.

01:20:56.552 --> 01:20:57.203
I hadn't heard anything.

01:20:57.233 --> 01:20:57.912
I would hope so.

01:20:57.912 --> 01:21:05.472
I doubt it I think they're probably just going to try to find an excuse to blame Donald Trump and not have a debate and just like see what happens.

01:21:08.012 --> 01:21:08.512
I don't know.

01:21:08.512 --> 01:21:09.122
I don't know.

01:21:09.132 --> 01:21:10.903
It's very different than when we were younger.

01:21:10.993 --> 01:21:15.472
I mean, people could talk about politics without hating each other and that, that's the really sad.

01:21:15.483 --> 01:21:31.922
Well, and all this, like, like with Tulsi and, and with RFK, like neither of them really thinks Donald Trump is really a great guy and they just really can't stand what's happened here or the idea of this.

01:21:33.978 --> 01:21:41.108
I mean, probably communist ish lady, like coasting into the presidency without qualification nor vote.

01:21:41.207 --> 01:21:43.828
That just seems disturbing to me.

01:21:44.247 --> 01:21:49.997
I don't like him either, but he's out of, out of the two options we have more effective at doing the job.

01:21:50.207 --> 01:21:51.207
I mean, you got to stop thinking.

01:21:51.207 --> 01:21:52.188
I haven't voted mainstream.

01:21:52.287 --> 01:21:53.712
You're not marrying that one.

01:21:53.712 --> 01:21:54.898
You just want him to run your country.

01:21:54.927 --> 01:21:55.078
Right.

01:21:55.087 --> 01:21:57.078
He doesn't get to hang out with my sister for an hour.

01:21:57.448 --> 01:21:57.927
Yeah.

01:21:58.417 --> 01:21:59.448
And you got to think about it.

01:21:59.448 --> 01:22:00.408
I heard this somewhere.

01:22:00.408 --> 01:22:02.568
It's not, this isn't, this isn't my thought, but you know, it's, it's true.

01:22:03.087 --> 01:22:06.518
What's the best choice now to get us to the opportunity to make a better choice later?

01:22:07.087 --> 01:22:12.118
Right, and there, there is a clear Um, the look of experience is the closing segment.

01:22:13.167 --> 01:22:14.007
Who's ready first?

01:22:14.018 --> 01:22:16.847
This is the craziest experience that you're willing to share to our listening audience.

01:22:16.847 --> 01:22:18.398
Oh man, you got some good ones.

01:22:18.398 --> 01:22:21.167
Let me go first because you can, you can end on a really good note.

01:22:21.167 --> 01:22:21.677
You're gonna set the bar.

01:22:21.868 --> 01:22:24.997
Yeah, cause mine's, I live a pretty benign life, apparently.

01:22:25.358 --> 01:22:28.028
I had to text my daughter and my husband like, What have I done?

01:22:28.037 --> 01:22:28.427
Like, what?

01:22:29.457 --> 01:22:31.728
Surprise, this isn't that crazy, but it's a funny story.

01:22:32.127 --> 01:22:35.198
Um, so his dad and I raised pigs up in Wrist Canyon.

01:22:35.217 --> 01:22:35.797
Oh, okay.

01:22:36.658 --> 01:22:38.707
And his dad still does, there's other crazy stories.

01:22:38.957 --> 01:22:40.427
It's always a frickin crazy.

01:22:40.438 --> 01:22:41.068
Pigs are crazy.

01:22:41.127 --> 01:22:41.528
It's crazy.

01:22:41.547 --> 01:22:42.177
Just in themselves.

01:22:42.662 --> 01:22:43.953
But so, I don't remember what year this was.

01:22:43.953 --> 01:22:45.252
Have you ever hogged anybody off?

01:22:45.813 --> 01:22:46.222
Just kidding.

01:22:47.493 --> 01:22:48.653
Well, I did, yeah.

01:22:48.893 --> 01:22:49.962
You don't want to hear that, yeah.

01:22:50.033 --> 01:22:51.703
Do you know what hogging somebody off means, Isaac?

01:22:51.733 --> 01:22:52.493
I can't say I do.

01:22:52.502 --> 01:22:52.893
No.

01:22:52.943 --> 01:22:56.313
If you kill somebody, the best way to really dispose of the body is to hog them off.

01:22:56.382 --> 01:22:57.403
Oh, give them to a pig.

01:22:57.403 --> 01:22:58.893
Yeah, give them to a bunch of pigs, ideally.

01:22:58.893 --> 01:22:59.622
They'll eat them right up.

01:22:59.792 --> 01:23:00.302
Especially wild pigs.

01:23:00.313 --> 01:23:01.582
I have heard that, but I haven't heard the term.

01:23:01.622 --> 01:23:02.233
I haven't heard the term.

01:23:02.233 --> 01:23:03.903
Yeah, boars especially.

01:23:03.903 --> 01:23:05.552
They'll eat, they'll eat a person real fast.

01:23:05.893 --> 01:23:06.323
Anyway.

01:23:06.323 --> 01:23:06.387
All right.

01:23:06.547 --> 01:23:09.020
It's not a crazy story, but it's an interesting story.

01:23:09.020 --> 01:23:09.829
It's not that crazy.

01:23:09.829 --> 01:23:10.438
No hogging off.

01:23:10.438 --> 01:23:10.640
Okay.

01:23:10.640 --> 01:23:11.045
All right.

01:23:11.045 --> 01:23:11.948
So, I don't know what year it was.

01:23:11.948 --> 01:23:13.518
Probably 05 or something like that.

01:23:13.518 --> 01:23:14.927
And I lived up in Risk Canyon.

01:23:14.927 --> 01:23:15.957
I worked from home a lot.

01:23:16.007 --> 01:23:20.387
Um, I'd taken the kids down to the bus stop to go to Stowe Prairie, and I'd come back.

01:23:20.618 --> 01:23:28.078
The pigs had a one acre fence kind of near our master bedroom, so that we could keep an eye and listen and make sure they were safe.

01:23:28.417 --> 01:23:30.228
And Zach did a great job of making sure that they were safe.

01:23:30.818 --> 01:23:32.738
We had a rubber buck shot ready at the window.

01:23:32.747 --> 01:23:34.057
We had it all, you know, ready to go.

01:23:35.007 --> 01:23:38.568
And I hear these, this is like two days before we're taking them to slaughter, right?

01:23:38.568 --> 01:23:41.278
So I, I never, we never named them.

01:23:41.417 --> 01:23:44.438
I didn't, I think the kids, bacon, pork, et cetera.

01:23:45.188 --> 01:23:45.578
Yes.

01:23:45.967 --> 01:23:47.938
But it's, I was always struggled with it.

01:23:47.938 --> 01:23:52.097
I always took excellent care of them, but I didn't want to get emotionally attached because it was difficult for me.

01:23:52.917 --> 01:23:56.818
So I hear these pigs struggling out there and, and carrying on and I'm like, Oh my God.

01:23:56.828 --> 01:24:01.328
So I look out and there's a fricking bear going after our little piggies.

01:24:01.358 --> 01:24:02.278
They're not little anymore.

01:24:02.278 --> 01:24:04.188
They're probably what, 150 pounds by now.

01:24:04.462 --> 01:24:06.113
Oh, they'll, they'll push 300 by the turn, you see.

01:24:06.132 --> 01:24:07.382
Maybe it was too, I can't remember.

01:24:07.393 --> 01:24:08.103
Yeah, they were big.

01:24:08.153 --> 01:24:08.813
They were big.

01:24:08.922 --> 01:24:09.222
Yeah, yeah.

01:24:09.372 --> 01:24:10.243
But the bear was hungry.

01:24:10.262 --> 01:24:10.832
Right, right.

01:24:10.912 --> 01:24:11.182
Um.

01:24:11.193 --> 01:24:11.733
And bigger.

01:24:11.762 --> 01:24:12.273
And bigger.

01:24:12.273 --> 01:24:12.962
And tearing into a couple.

01:24:12.962 --> 01:24:14.912
And has big claws and teeth, comparatively.

01:24:14.912 --> 01:24:15.353
So, yeah.

01:24:15.353 --> 01:24:16.682
And they're very expensive at this point.

01:24:16.722 --> 01:24:16.972
Right.

01:24:16.983 --> 01:24:17.092
Oh, yeah.

01:24:17.132 --> 01:24:21.233
We have invested a shitload 30 year family income.

01:24:21.283 --> 01:24:23.592
It's an emotional investment because of all the money you spent.

01:24:24.113 --> 01:24:24.332
Right.

01:24:25.002 --> 01:24:28.052
So, I go out there with, I can't remember if it was the buckshot.

01:24:28.082 --> 01:24:29.203
I think I started with the buckshot.

01:24:29.203 --> 01:24:32.842
I didn't want to shoot the bear, but I needed it to go away.

01:24:33.007 --> 01:24:34.247
And not hurt my piggies.

01:24:34.307 --> 01:24:38.497
So, yeah, I did, I did some, that's the only time I'd ever shot by myself anywhere.

01:24:38.497 --> 01:24:45.497
Zach O'Brien has always been with me shooting, you know, but I actually got out the guns and was like, going after it, trying to get, I didn't try to shoot it.

01:24:45.877 --> 01:24:46.917
I did scare it away.

01:24:46.978 --> 01:24:47.368
Okay.

01:24:47.578 --> 01:24:47.917
Did a warning shot.

01:24:47.917 --> 01:24:48.368
Enough to save the pigs.

01:24:48.368 --> 01:24:49.127
You didn't shoot at it.

01:24:49.148 --> 01:24:49.448
No.

01:24:49.457 --> 01:24:50.097
You shot into the air.

01:24:50.127 --> 01:24:50.257
Yes.

01:24:50.807 --> 01:24:52.648
But for me, that was a big deal.

01:24:52.707 --> 01:24:55.547
I agree with that big deal, but why not just shoot it?

01:24:56.448 --> 01:24:57.627
Because I didn't want to get in trouble.

01:24:57.698 --> 01:24:58.917
Well, I didn't want to shoot it.

01:24:58.938 --> 01:25:00.537
It was attacking your property though.

01:25:00.818 --> 01:25:00.877
Yeah.

01:25:00.877 --> 01:25:00.898
Yeah.

01:25:01.037 --> 01:25:10.768
If it wouldn't have left, there's many more stories where this comes from, but, um, from your dad more, but, uh, I didn't want to get in trouble with the government for one thing.

01:25:10.768 --> 01:25:17.087
And also because he had already been in trouble a little bit, if he had left, if he wasn't going to leave, I was going to shoot him if I was that good of a shot.

01:25:17.118 --> 01:25:17.967
That's pretty intense.

01:25:18.018 --> 01:25:19.047
That's pretty intense.

01:25:19.127 --> 01:25:20.198
I was drying my hair.

01:25:20.247 --> 01:25:21.188
Didn't right.

01:25:21.228 --> 01:25:21.978
Wasn't really dressed yet.

01:25:22.047 --> 01:25:23.738
What if the bear would come running at you?

01:25:24.073 --> 01:25:25.063
I wasn't that close.

01:25:25.153 --> 01:25:28.443
Yeah, Isaac, your turn.

01:25:29.462 --> 01:25:30.932
I've thought pretty hard about this.

01:25:31.552 --> 01:25:34.893
Consulted with my two closest confidants, Tina and my best friend.

01:25:36.283 --> 01:25:44.262
And there's a lot of stories that I'd love to share with you over a beverage at another time, but the one I'll share now, uh, involves a car.

01:25:44.273 --> 01:25:46.662
I've had a lot of weird experiences with a car.

01:25:46.882 --> 01:25:47.172
All right.

01:25:47.252 --> 01:25:49.273
Um, both good and bad.

01:25:52.448 --> 01:25:53.328
Is that somebody's phone?

01:25:53.707 --> 01:25:53.997
Yeah.

01:25:53.997 --> 01:25:55.698
It sounds like it's in my, in my headphones.

01:25:56.207 --> 01:26:00.858
I'll continue all the same, but so, um, a lot, a lot of near, near death experiences in a car.

01:26:01.228 --> 01:26:03.467
Um, one of which was a little bit more profound to me.

01:26:04.587 --> 01:26:05.717
I was with a good friend of mine.

01:26:05.717 --> 01:26:06.448
His name was Ian.

01:26:07.318 --> 01:26:09.927
And, um, you know, I grew up in the mountains.

01:26:09.927 --> 01:26:12.268
Like I, I grew up sliding four wheelers around.

01:26:12.268 --> 01:26:16.057
I learned to drive when I was 13, finding the edge of traction since I was six.

01:26:16.108 --> 01:26:16.978
That's a great way to put it.

01:26:16.978 --> 01:26:21.677
And in all seriousness, I think it's made me a better driver because I know what the threshold is and I know how to recover from it.

01:26:21.717 --> 01:26:22.018
But.

01:26:22.712 --> 01:26:27.122
You know, we were, I think, 18 or 19, um, and it had just been dumping snow.

01:26:28.113 --> 01:26:30.672
And we live real close to Horsetooth Reservoir at the time.

01:26:31.212 --> 01:26:33.582
And we decided we were going to go out for a little 2 a.

01:26:33.582 --> 01:26:33.733
m.

01:26:33.733 --> 01:26:38.033
drift and you know, it's Horsetooth, it's up County Road, whatever.

01:26:38.033 --> 01:26:40.382
It's not, it's not maintained until like 6 a.

01:26:40.382 --> 01:26:40.573
m.

01:26:40.922 --> 01:26:42.993
Plows run out, six inches of snow on the ground.

01:26:42.993 --> 01:26:46.363
We're in his little Subaru and, uh, we were having a blast.

01:26:46.372 --> 01:26:46.733
Right.

01:26:46.792 --> 01:26:48.643
Um, he was driving, I was not.

01:26:48.912 --> 01:26:51.743
Old school Subaru's before the traction control got too heavy.

01:26:52.177 --> 01:26:54.057
The e brake handle right between the seats.

01:26:54.108 --> 01:26:55.068
Oh, they're a blast.

01:26:55.528 --> 01:26:58.608
There's nothing more fun to slide around than a Prio 5 Subaru.

01:26:58.887 --> 01:26:59.268
Agreed.

01:26:59.318 --> 01:27:00.497
Um, and I've had many of them.

01:27:01.637 --> 01:27:03.158
I had GT.

01:27:03.278 --> 01:27:04.787
Oh yeah, yeah, no traction control.

01:27:05.557 --> 01:27:18.932
Um, so there's a, there's a point, and I'm not going to remember the roads correctly, but if you're coming down, if you're headed, uh, It'd be south on the reservoir, uh, you come down off, again, I don't, I don't know the road.

01:27:18.932 --> 01:27:20.412
To come down to the stadium area there?

01:27:20.603 --> 01:27:21.222
No, no.

01:27:21.273 --> 01:27:26.292
As far, as far south as you can go while driving parallel with the long end.

01:27:26.797 --> 01:27:28.698
The, what would be east side of the rest of the way.

01:27:28.698 --> 01:27:33.927
Um, you come down a real big hill and then it tees with what, as you descend becomes harmony.

01:27:34.078 --> 01:27:35.108
That's monster mountain.

01:27:35.198 --> 01:27:35.917
Monster mountain.

01:27:35.948 --> 01:27:36.257
Yeah.

01:27:36.297 --> 01:27:36.908
There you go.

01:27:36.978 --> 01:27:39.358
Um, so we came down to where it teed.

01:27:39.358 --> 01:27:41.738
We turned left to go down harmony and head home.

01:27:41.778 --> 01:27:43.868
This was like the conclusion of our little drift session.

01:27:44.547 --> 01:27:48.597
And for anybody who knows the area, there's a big right hand sweeping turn.

01:27:49.278 --> 01:27:55.667
Um, that I think Ian probably realized was, uh, Going to be like the last big drift opportunity of the evening.

01:27:56.257 --> 01:28:01.578
And I mean, he just ripped it and I, you know, how they're still rocking six inches of fresh snow kind of thing.

01:28:02.297 --> 01:28:11.148
And having slid stuff around most of my life, you can kind of predict, you know, where the threshold is and you can kind of feel the inertia and you can see the distance and you kind of learn to know what's going to happen.

01:28:11.627 --> 01:28:20.807
I immediately knew that we were going too fast and you know, there was that little glimmer of hope in your heart that perhaps maybe I was wrong, but my calculations say that, yeah.

01:28:21.422 --> 01:28:27.512
And it became very apparent, I mean, we're going like 45, it was, it was so stupid, you know, we were, we were young, but he's probably going 45 around this corner.

01:28:27.972 --> 01:28:31.398
And we Fly off the cliff like just right.

01:28:31.398 --> 01:28:33.778
It would be the the east facing side of that road.

01:28:33.778 --> 01:28:35.127
There's no Nothing.

01:28:35.318 --> 01:28:35.377
Yeah.

01:28:35.377 --> 01:28:38.757
Yeah, I mean we're airborne for what felt like a lifetime.

01:28:39.278 --> 01:28:45.188
It's probably two or three seconds you know hit the ground and There's snow blowing up over the windshield.

01:28:45.188 --> 01:28:49.257
You can't see anything and I was just you know Kind of waiting to blackout like right.

01:28:49.387 --> 01:28:49.768
This is it.

01:28:49.988 --> 01:28:50.387
Right.

01:28:50.408 --> 01:28:56.797
When does it end and all of a sudden we jolt forward and then I feel like I'm staring at the sky.

01:28:56.807 --> 01:28:59.037
And what had happened was we were in the car.

01:28:59.037 --> 01:28:59.658
Didn't roll.

01:28:59.717 --> 01:29:01.177
I was waiting it for a minute.

01:29:01.188 --> 01:29:02.347
Cause we're traversing this hill.

01:29:02.347 --> 01:29:03.408
You're going sideways.

01:29:03.408 --> 01:29:03.707
Yeah.

01:29:03.757 --> 01:29:04.398
Once we hit.

01:29:04.438 --> 01:29:04.677
Yep.

01:29:04.717 --> 01:29:05.238
So we're.

01:29:05.988 --> 01:29:11.988
Plowing down the hill in the snow, and we'd hit a boulder, effectively, a really big boulder, and it kicked us straight up.

01:29:12.127 --> 01:29:12.547
Oh, shit.

01:29:12.547 --> 01:29:14.667
And so we were, we were Look at that angle, though.

01:29:14.667 --> 01:29:18.938
90 degrees to the ground, yeah, and I was star we were staring into space, and then it came down on top of that rock.

01:29:18.978 --> 01:29:19.587
Oh, shit.

01:29:19.717 --> 01:29:22.957
Um, and as far as I'm concerned, that rock's probably what saved our lives that day.

01:29:22.967 --> 01:29:23.368
Yeah.

01:29:23.408 --> 01:29:26.408
Because we would've kept going, something would've happened, we would've rolled, so it only got steeper.

01:29:26.417 --> 01:29:26.877
Oh, that's crazy.

01:29:26.877 --> 01:29:28.738
We ended up being about 200 yards down from the road.

01:29:29.127 --> 01:29:39.927
And just hit that and it somehow just kind of launched you into a, like a weird vertical launch, but didn't stop you had you just stopped and you just plowed into it, it would have wrecked you.

01:29:40.313 --> 01:29:41.483
Yeah, we hit it just right.

01:29:41.722 --> 01:29:43.323
It effectively did end up stopping us.

01:29:43.603 --> 01:29:47.632
We kind of fell down on it and then, uh, but it wasn't an abrupt stop.

01:29:47.943 --> 01:29:49.643
No, no, like going fast.

01:29:49.643 --> 01:29:50.203
Doesn't hurt you.

01:29:50.653 --> 01:29:52.893
It's just stopping fast airbags didn't go off.

01:29:52.912 --> 01:29:55.912
No, it was, it was about as smooth as you could ask for it.

01:29:55.912 --> 01:30:10.762
The worst injury I sustained from that whole ordeal was, uh, actually slamming my knee on that rock when I was exiting the, um, I just, I remember, uh, uh, the plow drivers, ironically they must plow that harmony facing road.

01:30:11.018 --> 01:30:14.627
before the, uh, the one that goes a little further north.

01:30:14.677 --> 01:30:20.358
But there was a plow driver on that road and they saw the tracks that came off and they yelled down to us and asked if we were okay.

01:30:20.368 --> 01:30:22.108
We said, yeah, and they waited for us to walk up.

01:30:22.108 --> 01:30:24.478
And I remember just like the most euphoric.

01:30:25.528 --> 01:30:26.608
Like, holy shit, I'm not dead.

01:30:26.677 --> 01:30:28.658
Yeah, yeah, we were just laughing.

01:30:28.738 --> 01:30:30.368
It was, it was the most alive I've ever felt.

01:30:31.108 --> 01:30:33.967
Uh, which probably sounds like I'm an adrenaline junkie or something.

01:30:33.988 --> 01:30:36.858
But, uh, it was, it was, uh, it was pivotal.

01:30:36.858 --> 01:30:40.547
Because, yeah, you, you, you had an appreciation for life that you'd never had otherwise.

01:30:40.557 --> 01:30:43.707
Did you, uh, slow it down just a little notch from there, Johnny?

01:30:44.518 --> 01:30:48.278
Well, I wasn't driving, but it certainly, uh Well, it still matters, though.

01:30:48.377 --> 01:30:51.978
It, it certainly had an impact on, uh, on my winter driving.

01:30:52.228 --> 01:31:01.047
So, uh, I guess if people want to look you guys up, just, uh, Google the NoCo Snelling Solutions of Northern Colorado.

01:31:01.047 --> 01:31:01.518
Just Snelling.

01:31:01.627 --> 01:31:01.948
It'll come up.

01:31:02.297 --> 01:31:02.877
Yep, Snelling.

01:31:02.908 --> 01:31:05.328
Oh, Snelling and then search for Northern Colorado and you'll find it.

01:31:06.007 --> 01:31:07.108
It should come up on it.

01:31:07.108 --> 01:31:10.148
Yeah, we, uh, we've had some pretty good marketing partners throughout the years.

01:31:10.198 --> 01:31:10.417
Okay.

01:31:10.417 --> 01:31:16.557
And, uh, if you search snowing or staffing in G4 Collins, any of those nice keywords, we target, yeah, we'll be right up there.

01:31:16.587 --> 01:31:16.948
I dig it.

01:31:17.497 --> 01:31:18.438
We'll, uh, we'll be found.

01:31:18.448 --> 01:31:18.677
Yep.

01:31:18.698 --> 01:31:19.467
Staffing, noco.

01:31:19.497 --> 01:31:20.438
com is our website.

01:31:20.738 --> 01:31:23.457
Well, thanks for, uh, Thank you for sharing time today, you guys.

01:31:23.457 --> 01:31:29.908
It's been a fun conversation, and uh, that was one of the most intense, uh, loco experiences I've heard.

01:31:29.908 --> 01:31:32.807
So, if you've got a library of them, we'll have to, uh Oh, he does.

01:31:32.957 --> 01:31:39.047
I think I'm gonna have a special episode in the tank for the people who have the most crazy stories that I know.

01:31:40.252 --> 01:31:41.273
Cause I got quite a few too.

01:31:41.332 --> 01:31:44.382
Well, considering that was the mild one that I chose to share today.

01:31:44.382 --> 01:31:46.853
I, I, we could certainly Are you okay with this mom?

01:31:47.382 --> 01:31:47.823
Yeah.

01:31:47.872 --> 01:31:51.372
I know some cancel him for sharing too many crazy stories.

01:31:51.372 --> 01:31:53.073
We were all crazy at one point in our life.

01:31:53.203 --> 01:31:54.592
I think he's settled somewhat.

01:31:55.212 --> 01:31:55.592
Somewhat.

01:31:56.023 --> 01:31:57.262
I'll tell you the Mexico ones next time.

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It sounds good.

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Not online though.

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Thanks you too.

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Thanks Kurt.

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Next time.

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Bye.