EXPERIENCE 172 | The Tim Taylor to my Mr. Wilson - My Next Door Neighbor Chris Corbin, General Manager of Clarity Project Management

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In April of 2020, in the early days of the lockdowns and pandemic threat response, we got new neighbors.

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Days after we invited them to our then 12th annual, days after we invited them to our then 12th annual annual backyard Cinco de Mayo party, thinking, oh great, we've moved in next door to crazy people.

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They politely declined our invitation, but they did accept some leftover pork carnitas and cilantro lime coleslaw I set on the fence.

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But after eating that leftover pork, their hearts were one.

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And we've been over the fence friends with regular patio time and meals together ever since, and the occasional mini golf excursions in the hood.

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Clarity Project Management was born of a collision of interest between Chris and his now wife, Christy Corbin.

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She'd been laid off from an educational sales background, and became more and more interested in the contracting work that Chris was doing for a larger company.

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Months later, she'd started an LLC, gotten some jobs, and hired Chris in a contract.

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Now full time role.

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He was soon joined by his son and initial contacts and it was on.

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Clarity does high impact Finnish carpentry for bars and restaurants and venues and retail enterprises all across the country and Chris and his team go on three to six week high intensity missions to complete these projects.

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I told Chris we could party during the podcast and he took me up on it.

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We drank about two of the three liters of Cabernet in the black box and smoked two fatty J's during the show while he shared his interesting journey.

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And had even more fun conversation during the walk home together.

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Chris is a creative misfit that found his great fit place in the world.

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And I'm so glad he and Christy moved in next door during those strange days of 2020.

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So please join me in enjoying my conversation with my interesting and entertaining neighbor, Chris Corbin.

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Welcome back to the Loco Experience Podcast.

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I'm joined today by my next door neighbor and the general manager of Clarity Project Management, Chris Corbin.

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How you doing, Kurt?

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Welcome to the show.

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Yeah.

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Thank you very much.

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Appreciate the invite.

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First time, uh, like we've been to see a couple of music shows and stuff, but mostly we're just hanging out in your backyard.

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Or my backyard or at the mini golf course.

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Yeah, or there's a, there's a little fence in between us right here, right?

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We still see each other, you know, but yeah.

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So nice to be here in the same room.

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Thanks for being on the show.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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I'm excited to be here.

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So what does Clarity Project Management do?

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Yeah.

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Clarity Project Management provides specialized labor and project management services, uh, for commercial environments and, uh, for general contractors and owners, uh, manufacturers, especially the carpentry, all, all carpentry.

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Really?

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We focus on the, uh, the finished carpentry aspect of it.

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Um, typically more complex type of projects.

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Fair enough.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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Um, And so what does your, what does your job entail?

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Like when you're out on trips, like you, you came back from New York recently, you're doing other projects, like, well, what does your job look like?

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You're gone for three weeks or two months.

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Yeah.

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You know, you see me, you know, and sometimes you're around a lot.

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Yeah.

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Sometimes you're not around.

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Yeah.

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You know, and, and, you know, Typically, you know, we'll be talking over the fence and I'll say, ah, you know, I'll be back in about, you know, six weeks, eight weeks, whatever it is.

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And I'm clean shaven and you know, I'm kind of fat.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I got, I got, I got, I got a little, got a little pudge on me or something like that around the, around the waist and stuff.

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And then, um, and then I go out and, uh, I work and that's all I do.

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Uh, I work, I come home.

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14 hour, 16 hour days, you know, um, the, our work days are typically, uh, 10 hour days.

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Okay.

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Um, is, is where we cut it.

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We work six days a week, a lot of times.

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So we're doing 60 hour weeks.

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You do that for a couple of weeks in a row or effort stuff.

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It's a lot, you know, to give you an idea, you know, we did that.

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You're probably working after hours and before hours to get the other stuff coordinating.

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I don't, you know, that's where Christie really, um, the back office, she, she, she does all of that and really, and, and she, she makes the company run.

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I'm, I'm just out there working.

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Cause when I get to the end of my day, I have, I have very little that I have that I can put forth into what it takes to manage the business, um, you know, and, and to run the business because I'm working.

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Yeah, the business, you know, and, um, and out there.

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So, uh, you know, we, we go over things and, um, you know, I try to share wherever I can to kind of help guide her in the right, the right direction.

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But, you know, we're going to need as far as some, some materials or things like, you know, and, and that sort of stuff, I take care of it, you know, it's more than that, you know, we, you know, You know, we work all over the country.

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So, you know, she deals with all these different states.

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You know, we don't just file taxes in Colorado.

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We file taxes and everywhere you earn money, you know, a dozen different states and payroll taxes are filed there and to make sure that all of these guys are, are, are getting paid and that the money's flowing and that, you know, when I do have to go out and buy materials or whatever it is, that everything's in place there.

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you know, to be able to do it.

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And, um, you know, really, I just, when the, when the projects start, I just, that's the, the project is, is all I can really focus on, you know, there's a, there's a lot to them.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Fair enough.

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Um, I probably can't really imagine it, you know, as a banker, I would go out and see construction projects, you know, homes under construction and process and stuff.

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It is, it is.

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Appreciate the complexity.

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Sure, sure.

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It's, it, you know, and it, and it's, and it's something that, you know, I've, I've learned to accept over the years, you know, not many people say thank you.

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And, you know, people don't typically come in and look and think, Oh, this is really a beautiful space though.

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How many swings of a hammer?

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The, the amazing carpenters that did this, you know, they just.

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Don't they go to the designer or they look at how pretty the finishes on the material or they gloss right by it because we are in some, some space that you're, you're not there to look at the wood on the wall.

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You know, it's there to create the environment.

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So when we're doing it, it's the most important thing that there is the moment we're done.

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It's, it's secondary to the customer's wallet.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Well, so it goes.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Um, do you want to talk about any recent projects that were interesting or cool?

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You went to New York recently, is that right?

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We did.

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We did.

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We did a big project in New York that was, um, that was called Electric Shuffle.

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Um, so they, uh, nightclub, no, it's a shuffleboard table.

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So like you may have gone into a bar in the past and had the shuffleboard tables, right?

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Well, um, that was what it is.

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Uh, and, and, uh, but now of course, with everything in technology that's out there and available, um, they can create out of these great games with it.

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And there's cameras that watch where the puck goes and keep your score and you can play against other people and your whole team.

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Um, and, um, it, it, Kind of married bowling, right?

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Yeah, yeah.

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And, um, and the event, so.

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And, um, did something very similar here for the folks in Colorado down in Denver called Flight Club.

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Oh.

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And it's all darts.

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Um, so it's down at the end of the 16th Street Mall.

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And, um, you go in there and you do the same thing.

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So you're building like the bar furnishings.

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Exactly.

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Even putting the wall materials on and different things like that or depends what the customer needs.

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Really?

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So when we come into it, it's rough, drywall, maybe some framing or something like that.

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We build everything and then they come and they put their electronics or their game pieces in place, whatever it may be.

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Or, you know, if you're a retailer or whatever it is as well, you know, we kind of, So all you got to do is come in and hang your clothes or put your product on the shelf.

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And do you get like a nice set of plans or is it kind of, yeah, uh, well, you know, that, that kind of comes with qualifying your customer, right too.

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It takes good customers to have a successful business.

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So, um, I always, tell, tell, you know, my customers and people that come to me, you know, it's, it's, you give me good information, you know, I'll give you back a good quote.

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I can quote, I can quote off of a napkin at a bar.

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If that's what you want, I'm not sure you're going to like the number.

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Um, so the more information you give, the better the quote is and things like that.

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So typically what we do is we have a, um, a 10, 000 piece puzzle and 200, 300 of the pieces are missing, right?

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And we have to, our job and why they pay us really is to come in and between the reality of the site and what the designers and the architects have dreamed up together, um, find everything that they missed and make sure that these two come together.

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And especially if it's a re thing where you're taking an existing space that was something else.

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And it's like, whoa, the lines aren't actually close to where you thought they were.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So, you know, it'd be different if it was dollar general and it's the same footprint everywhere.

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But a lot of times we find ourselves, you know, that the one in New York was in the bottom of the Virgin hotel.

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Um, the one in, in Denver, we're talking about.

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that were, uh, jammed together, or like a restaurant and a cell phone store, you know, so there definitely are some, um, some challenges there, but that's when coming in and, and being a owner or operator, um, kind of makes a difference, being close to it, right?

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Yeah, look for that win win kind of thing.

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You know, you've got 10 people, right?

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Right.

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Cool.

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Um, should we talk about like the, the inception, uh, and you, you guys moved in, uh, in a wild time, like April of 2020.

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And then like a few days later, I think we invited you to our annual backyard party.

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And you know, it's like, uh, that whole thing was, was, was all crazy.

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Yeah.

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That was like right in the middle of COVID.

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Um, it's, it's, you know, Christie and I were just moving in together.

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That was brand new.

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How many months have you guys been dating?

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Oh, we had been together for a while.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But it was still first time living together.

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Oh, yes.

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Yes.

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We'd been, she lived in Denver and we were traveling back and forth, you know, for, for a good long while.

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And, um, decided that we were going to go for it together.

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And it really kind of started out cause it's still a little iffy.

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And again, we're not in business together, we're dating and she's also my landlord, right?

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So the studio was mine, the house was hers.

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And then, um, you know, we just crazy about each other.

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So it didn't take very long for all of that stuff to kind of melt together.

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But yes, you did invite us to that, that party.

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And we looked over the fence and we were like, you know, I think this COVID thing might be something, I'm not sure if we're going to go over there or not.

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Yeah.

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But then you put the, uh, you know, the, the taco meat on the left over carnitas.

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Yeah, listen, if, if, if I could have had a little time machine, I would have went back and I would have gone to the, yeah, listen, it was delicious, man.

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At that point I was like, we, you know, we, we've got some good neighbors over here.

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So.

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Yeah, that was good.

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I ate off that for a couple of days.

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Well, we didn't have as many attendees as normal for some reason.

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We did spend most of our time outside, you know, so we were being, uh, well, you were exactly like us.

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Yeah.

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And we, we, we, I think everyone spent a little more time outside and we were just talking about the, the 8 PM howl, you know, and how full that was through the neighborhood and everyone, you know, howling through the neighborhood.

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Like riding your bicycle through Old Town on a Friday night and there isn't anybody on the street.

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No, we were, you know, we would, we would hit Vato's and, uh, and get some tacos and margaritas to go that we were gonna drink at home.

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And, um, a lot of times we just ended up out here in the middle of Mountain Avenue sitting in the grass, you know.

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We dozed off one afternoon and I woke up and I was like, Okay.

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We need to get up.

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I know no one's around, but we're laying in weird.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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We're going to nap.

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We should at least be in city park.

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So, so in, at that time, had you started your kind of, uh, cannabis focused construction company already, or was that, you were still working for the man at that time?

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Yeah, I really, I was, I was still, I was still under the thumb, you know, before I found my independence.

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And, you know, for many years I was a, uh, wannapreneur, right.

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I had, you know, had dreams of, of being an entrepreneur, you know, from very young age and had all these great ideas and, uh, you know, halfhearted attempts at different things and, uh, and then life and kids come, you know, and it became the risk of taking that leap.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And, um, you know, as life has it and, um, uh, Christy, um, luckily for me is my, my wonderful second wife.

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And, um, so the, you know, the, the, the first marriage was coming to an end.

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Um, the kids were leaving the nest, kids, kids are leaving the nest.

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You know, the company that I was working with, it really had started out as a larger family company, but, um, it really grew.

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Grown into a large company and could see their, their team.

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Less and less fun to work for.

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Yeah, teeing up to sell and it's just becoming more, you know, checking boxes and, um, you know, I'd like to run a little loose.

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Anybody that works with me knows that, but I also get things done.

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Right.

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So, um, you know, I, I read a lot of, you're, you're a motorcycle rider, I know, and, um, And then dirt, I ride dirt bikes and you know, and dirt bikes loses fast.

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You kind of, yeah.

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I've been riding dirt bikes since I was a kid.

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So I've kind of ran loose and fast my whole life, which leads to a few scars, but a lot of good stories.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Fair enough.

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Fair enough.

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Well, looking forward to the loco experience chapter at the end.

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Um, and so like, what was the, if, if, if you're, I'm happy to share it because you had kind of a I was like a cannabis retailing finished carpentry company that did a few projects Yeah, you know when I was when I was still doing the the installation for the large company that I was out seeking new new businesses and new markets and I had started researching cannabis and Had gone to MJ biz and Las Vegas Went there and coming from our retail trade shows.

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Yeah, you already kind of knew to take the lead The cannabis, cannabis was, I mean, it was bumping.

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People were excited.

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There was young people, there was innovation.

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Uh, there was, uh, you know, there were, there were, you know, older people towards the end of their careers.

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There's really, really everyone in everyone's trying to take this market and, and get it to a, um, a good place, you know, and again, that was many years ago where I went there, but from that moment on, I was inspired by that.

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So kind of circling back around, moving in with Christie.

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Um, you know, my marriage had ended, uh, which took me to a, you know, tough, tough place financially and things like that.

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Basically 0.

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1.

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I got my motorcycle.

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My kids are gone.

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Well, you know, I had that and like, uh, um, an old Datsun that didn't run and, um, I'd really kind of lost everything at that point.

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Right.

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Yeah.

00:16:06.720 --> 00:16:06.990
Yeah.

00:16:07.019 --> 00:16:13.110
Well, you know, it's, um, it's one of those things, you know, you have a choice in life, you know, every single day of I can.

00:16:13.110 --> 00:16:16.529
I look at it as a line and you can decide what side of that line you can stand on.

00:16:16.529 --> 00:16:22.379
You can, you can be a victim or you can be, uh, you fresh gracious, you fresh started, uh, yeah, in an amazing way.

00:16:22.379 --> 00:16:27.570
Honestly, like you guys have had a lot of successes in so short time, everything that hit me, um, I.

00:16:28.159 --> 00:16:30.690
I just immediately looked at it and found a positive side to it.

00:16:30.990 --> 00:16:31.340
Right.

00:16:31.360 --> 00:16:32.230
And, and did that.

00:16:32.240 --> 00:16:35.970
So, but once I'd lost everything, the fear was gone.

00:16:36.990 --> 00:16:39.659
I'm like, Hey man, there's nothing else.

00:16:39.659 --> 00:16:40.009
Right.

00:16:40.009 --> 00:16:41.049
What else they going to get?

00:16:41.059 --> 00:16:44.179
Nobody wants the motorcycle or the old Datsun, you know?

00:16:44.179 --> 00:16:45.370
So I think I'm all right.

00:16:45.379 --> 00:16:46.230
You know, I got that.

00:16:46.240 --> 00:16:48.269
And, uh, some tools in my brain.

00:16:48.269 --> 00:16:49.340
So what can I do?

00:16:49.340 --> 00:16:55.860
And I went after it for the cannabis business and, uh, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

00:16:55.875 --> 00:16:59.404
Yeah, so tell me about that.

00:16:59.514 --> 00:17:08.204
Yeah, so that was, uh, uh, Revelation design build, and I actually just recently, um, um, kind of officially kind of closed that down.

00:17:08.204 --> 00:17:08.525
Okay.

00:17:08.684 --> 00:17:10.865
And, um, really it was Or at least hibernation anyway.

00:17:11.154 --> 00:17:15.525
Hibernation, yeah, and I really tried to go in and, and, you know represent them all.

00:17:15.525 --> 00:17:20.755
You know, there's a lot of larger companies out there that cater to the cannabis industry that say they do everything in house.

00:17:20.765 --> 00:17:24.444
And in reality, maybe only 20 or 30 percent of it's done in house.

00:17:24.444 --> 00:17:41.125
So I went out and really tried to do a different model where, um, the designer, the manufacturer, um, you know, um, everyone, the, the POP guy, everyone got some representation in what I was doing and, um, tried a little different.

00:17:41.424 --> 00:17:49.184
Um, model with them and, uh, did that for a while and met a good, a lot of good people and pointed a lot of good people in the, in the right directions.

00:17:49.404 --> 00:17:50.775
Didn't make a whole lot of money.

00:17:50.845 --> 00:17:55.974
And, um, and Christie had been laid off and, uh, for the second time in her career.

00:17:56.025 --> 00:17:56.325
Yeah.

00:17:56.375 --> 00:18:01.065
And had been about six months trying to decide what she was like in education sales, educational sales.

00:18:01.134 --> 00:18:01.265
Yes.

00:18:01.265 --> 00:18:06.285
So she sold, you know, maintenance and different services to universities and things like that.

00:18:06.285 --> 00:18:11.450
And, uh, And, um, she'd been listening to me talk about my business and take my calls and things like that.

00:18:11.450 --> 00:18:15.769
And she said, you know, I, I think I liked that installation business that you were in.

00:18:15.769 --> 00:18:16.940
Tell me more about that.

00:18:17.309 --> 00:18:18.730
How could I get that started?

00:18:18.730 --> 00:18:31.775
And, um, you know, I kind of started doing some consulting for her, kept trying to get revelation, you know, up on its own feet and, uh, stable and, um, Well, the market will tell you what it wants more of, right?

00:18:31.775 --> 00:18:35.744
And frankly, the cannabis industry hasn't been as strong.

00:18:35.755 --> 00:18:42.224
You know, there's been, if anything, almost a consolidation rather than an explosion of a lot more stores, it feels like.

00:18:43.500 --> 00:18:50.329
And I think very much if you, again, and I'm at least here in Colorado, no, no expert in it, but I've been in retail for a long time.

00:18:51.039 --> 00:19:07.519
And the things that I've seen over the years are, um, you know, drugstores, uh, gas stations, uh, different things like that, that are really mom and pops that, eventually just become consolidated and become part of a bigger group.

00:19:07.519 --> 00:19:15.430
And you either join the group or you get squashed or you become, you know, some kind of, you know, hybrid or something like a McKesson pharmacy.

00:19:15.430 --> 00:19:15.769
Right.

00:19:15.769 --> 00:19:19.789
So it was a mom and pop shop and you know, McKesson rebrands it.

00:19:21.359 --> 00:19:21.900
That's fair enough.

00:19:21.900 --> 00:19:24.599
I think so, yeah.

00:19:26.049 --> 00:19:26.720
I think so.

00:19:27.039 --> 00:19:28.609
I've never worried too much about what we save.

00:19:28.609 --> 00:19:36.299
So, but, um, you, you know, really, um, and enjoyed the cannabis business and would love to, to get back into it at, at some level.

00:19:36.390 --> 00:19:41.069
And, um, you know, and while clarity is, well, clarity could do that work, right.

00:19:41.109 --> 00:19:42.799
Clarity could absolutely do the work.

00:19:42.799 --> 00:19:50.559
I just don't necessarily know if, if the construction side of it is, um, is, is where you would want to be with it or not, you know?

00:19:50.559 --> 00:19:55.259
So I'd like the, um, you know, kind of drawn to the product side of it and things like that.

00:19:55.259 --> 00:19:58.700
And some of the, the innovation there and, um, and things.

00:19:58.710 --> 00:20:09.059
So I do love the design piece of it as well, but, um, you know, clarity just, it kept growing and, you know, Christie just kind of needed more and more with it and stuff.

00:20:09.079 --> 00:20:21.535
And then finally was kind of at a point and says, Hey, um, I can bring on my first employee, you know, you know, I think at that point I, we, we were, I believe we were already married at that point.

00:20:21.545 --> 00:20:24.724
So you know, it had all kind of come full circle.

00:20:24.765 --> 00:20:33.924
She's a, she's a fascinating woman, your wife, because like she will sing to the dog when she comes home from yoga class and things like that.

00:20:33.924 --> 00:20:40.914
But she's also a highly prudent person and like financially very astute and detail oriented.

00:20:41.005 --> 00:20:54.404
You know, um, I think part of the reason why Christy and I get along so well is, you know, we, we both have performed it, you know, high levels in our, she's fast and loose a little bit too.

00:20:54.434 --> 00:20:56.384
It's like, well, she's a little tighter than that.

00:20:56.384 --> 00:20:57.785
You know, she loves me a whole lot.

00:20:57.795 --> 00:21:03.856
So she kind of holds onto my coattails when she also slows me down a little bit too, which is a good thing at times.

00:21:03.856 --> 00:21:20.289
But, um, you know, um, really just incredible at what she does, but, um, We also understand and what you hear with the, you know, the talking to the dogs or singing to the plants or whatever it is, that's a form of gratitude, right?

00:21:20.349 --> 00:21:27.829
And it's that same thing of waking up and intentionally setting forth to have a good day and to put out positivity into the world.

00:21:27.829 --> 00:21:29.779
And, and that's really what she does.

00:21:29.779 --> 00:21:33.069
And we do that together and we just kind of reinforce that and we play.

00:21:33.375 --> 00:21:40.355
So play is a, is a huge part of, um, of our lives and we talk about it and we call it play and it's intentional.

00:21:40.404 --> 00:21:40.835
That's cool.

00:21:40.875 --> 00:21:47.575
And, uh, that, that keeps the fun part, but when it's time to get the business done, I just, I just get out of the way, man.

00:21:47.605 --> 00:21:48.835
She, she goes after it.

00:21:48.835 --> 00:21:49.154
Yeah.

00:21:49.394 --> 00:21:51.035
Have you guys played pickleball yet?

00:21:51.214 --> 00:21:54.575
We have not, but we've owned Pickleball Gear for about two years now.

00:21:54.625 --> 00:21:56.605
So Well, Jill and I have played, like, three times.

00:21:56.974 --> 00:21:57.065
Right.

00:21:57.224 --> 00:21:59.914
Uh, and so, and, you know, so let's go play sometime.

00:21:59.924 --> 00:22:00.704
Oh yeah, yeah.

00:22:00.704 --> 00:22:00.815
Absolutely.

00:22:00.815 --> 00:22:01.265
A little fun.

00:22:01.275 --> 00:22:02.795
There's a course just around the corner, really, for us.

00:22:02.805 --> 00:22:03.214
Yes.

00:22:03.325 --> 00:22:12.305
Yeah, that'd be a lot of fun, so So, um, and then, now, as far as Clarity goes, you're Your son has been a key player in that business.

00:22:12.734 --> 00:22:17.605
Is that, I know he was wondering what he was going to do if he was going to do the next chapter or anything.

00:22:17.835 --> 00:22:22.025
Oh, he's absolutely going to move on to the next, next chapter.

00:22:22.025 --> 00:22:26.244
And you know, and I would encourage him to do that too and all of my kids to move in their directions.

00:22:26.244 --> 00:22:30.095
I've been, uh, very fortunate and again, very grateful.

00:22:30.115 --> 00:22:30.474
Yeah, yeah.

00:22:30.984 --> 00:22:32.494
You have a bunch of great kids.

00:22:33.595 --> 00:22:34.835
You guys Brady Bunched it really good.

00:22:34.835 --> 00:22:35.865
Yeah, yeah, we did.

00:22:36.134 --> 00:22:37.265
It's kind of crazy.

00:22:37.265 --> 00:22:40.984
Yeah, I'd love to see the painting on the side of that bus.

00:22:41.315 --> 00:22:42.924
But, um, but yeah, it's good.

00:22:43.125 --> 00:22:45.474
The kids have all worked for me at some point.

00:22:45.474 --> 00:22:49.775
I have three kids that have all helped me with the business and different things.

00:22:49.775 --> 00:22:52.025
Revelation and also working with Clarity.

00:22:52.644 --> 00:23:00.380
Um, so, uh, What's, uh, next for you guys, uh, with Clarity, with other ventures?

00:23:00.380 --> 00:23:04.450
I know, I mean, you're, I was at your 50th birthday party.

00:23:04.529 --> 00:23:07.609
I was actually in my backyard with a hog roast.

00:23:07.960 --> 00:23:18.259
Um, what, uh, you know, the, the road is both profitable, but also wearing on a, on a 51 year old or nearly.

00:23:18.299 --> 00:23:18.750
Yeah.

00:23:18.809 --> 00:23:19.119
Yeah.

00:23:19.119 --> 00:23:25.305
You know, it's, um, uh, I think Clarity, you know, really, really does do well.

00:23:25.305 --> 00:23:28.474
And I think Christy is going to continue to push forward with that.

00:23:28.474 --> 00:23:42.595
And, you know, we've tried to find someone to replace kind of, uh, what I do and, and see how that goes and, uh, would love to be able to keep it, you know, continue to keep it going and, and, and growing in a certain direction, but it does keep me away from home.

00:23:42.704 --> 00:23:43.325
An awful lot.

00:23:43.644 --> 00:24:06.105
And while it was great to go and live in Manhattan for three months and bounce all around and have a lot of great experiences and things like that, um, we'd really love to figure out how to be, um, here at home, you know, all the traveling we do, um, everywhere we leave as we're leaving the question, then we look at each other and we say, well, what, what do you think is that the place?

00:24:06.105 --> 00:24:16.214
And we immediately measure it against Fort Collins and there's a lot of You know, it was nice and I'd go back and, you know, maybe even, uh, You guys were tempted by, was it Toronto or Quebec or something?

00:24:16.224 --> 00:24:16.904
Um, yeah.

00:24:17.045 --> 00:24:17.904
Montreal is fantastic.

00:24:18.565 --> 00:24:20.125
Absolutely love Montreal.

00:24:20.134 --> 00:24:21.255
That's a great city.

00:24:21.345 --> 00:24:24.375
Uh, New York was, was intoxicating.

00:24:24.585 --> 00:24:32.674
Uh, once you come down off of the high of, of being around all that, uh, you realize it's not quite as appealing, uh, when you're in it.

00:24:33.440 --> 00:24:42.630
Though you're in it and Montreal is just freaking cool, you know, but but Fort Collins is a it's it's hard to beat this special Yeah, it's a it's a unique little place.

00:24:42.630 --> 00:24:43.740
And I mean, come on.

00:24:43.869 --> 00:24:45.569
I'm sitting here talking to my neighbor.

00:24:45.769 --> 00:24:47.529
Yeah You rode your bike over here.

00:24:47.529 --> 00:24:48.680
I'm gonna walk home today.

00:24:48.769 --> 00:24:48.960
Yes.

00:24:49.349 --> 00:24:59.625
I'm probably gonna walk with Um, so, uh, so, you're kind of on the snoop, uh, for, uh, what's next.

00:24:59.634 --> 00:25:03.765
Clarion will continue, but find it with a, with a more or less travel y team.

00:25:04.315 --> 00:25:04.845
Yeah, well.

00:25:04.845 --> 00:25:06.424
Because Christy doesn't really have to travel that much.

00:25:06.434 --> 00:25:08.474
She has, she travels because she wants to be with you.

00:25:08.515 --> 00:25:09.214
Exactly.

00:25:09.255 --> 00:25:22.869
So if we can, you know, How long we do clarity depends on how quickly we can get me out of the field or if we can find the right person, you know, which would really be the dream because it, it very much is a family company and the people that we have, um, working for us.

00:25:23.190 --> 00:25:24.279
Uh, it's a tight group.

00:25:24.329 --> 00:25:27.500
We're very dependent on one another when we're out there in the field, you know.

00:25:27.529 --> 00:25:34.565
You've got these people who've Join your team because you're there and they worked for you at this other place and they worked across the street from you at this other place.

00:25:34.565 --> 00:25:38.694
And it's not easy, you know, what, what we do and um, we have a lot of pressures on us.

00:25:38.694 --> 00:25:42.484
So we appreciate the guys that are out there, but we are looking for something as well.

00:25:42.484 --> 00:25:54.095
And, you know, getting older and what can we do and how can we spend more time in, uh, in Fort Collins and how can we have more, more free time to ourselves, you know, so looking for a different It's like you can do anything, what do you want to do?

00:25:54.724 --> 00:25:54.744
Yeah.

00:25:54.755 --> 00:25:56.694
Well, you know, I think that's really what it is.

00:25:56.694 --> 00:26:07.565
And, and, um, definitely a firm believer in manifestation and, um, and putting things out there to the universe and, um, and keep my eyes open and be smart and just saying things.

00:26:07.565 --> 00:26:07.825
Right.

00:26:08.115 --> 00:26:08.845
Absolutely.

00:26:08.904 --> 00:26:09.634
Absolutely.

00:26:09.634 --> 00:26:14.875
You know, that's, that's how I survive, um, on the daily, you know, I have my mantras that I go to.

00:26:14.875 --> 00:26:15.984
So yeah, fair enough.

00:26:16.384 --> 00:26:20.295
Um, should we, what else would you want people to know about?

00:26:20.325 --> 00:26:20.345
Yeah.

00:26:20.829 --> 00:26:21.130
Business.

00:26:21.140 --> 00:26:36.509
So I guess for listeners out there, if somebody's got a, a nice, well functioning business that could use a project management and a rainmaking kind of brain, uh, as the ownership, you know, with these guys, you contact these guys, but, but you're also thinking about like starting a venture?

00:26:36.539 --> 00:26:48.450
Well, you know, we, we, we came real close to going into, um, into the event business and, um, doing some networking events and, um, you know, conferences and things like that.

00:26:48.450 --> 00:26:48.750
Yeah.

00:26:49.150 --> 00:27:04.890
And, you know, again, kind of, I think, it's part of being where you are in life, you know, and you hit a certain age and things like that, and, um, we just decided, and, you know, we do have the confidence that we can, are going to be successful at whatever it is that we go after.

00:27:04.890 --> 00:27:05.220
And, um, yeah.

00:27:05.440 --> 00:27:12.940
Uh, we just want the result of what we do or to what it is that we're doing on the daily to involve love, love, right?

00:27:12.950 --> 00:27:16.690
To, um, to put forth positivity and love.

00:27:16.690 --> 00:27:18.950
And right now we're looking at wedding venues.

00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:24.275
So somebody's got a little farmhouse or a spot they think might be the right wedding venue.

00:27:25.464 --> 00:27:27.335
Uh, we're out there looking for that too.

00:27:27.335 --> 00:27:29.025
So we're kind of doing that.

00:27:29.035 --> 00:27:36.805
We've thought about doing some things with, um, different types of, um, you know, couples, retreats and, and things like that.

00:27:36.815 --> 00:27:38.375
And, um, putting it together.

00:27:38.434 --> 00:27:40.380
Uh, uh, Dr.

00:27:40.380 --> 00:27:46.069
John's competitor downtown, you know, I tell you, I tell you what they, yeah, well, it's funny.

00:27:46.099 --> 00:27:46.509
It's funny.

00:27:46.509 --> 00:27:52.029
You say that cause that we always joke and we walk as we walk around all the time, we'll see different spots and say, what would you do there?

00:27:52.029 --> 00:27:52.769
What would you do there?

00:27:52.769 --> 00:27:54.920
And I'm constantly telling her about.

00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:57.640
Uh, you know, saying something about Dr.

00:27:57.640 --> 00:28:10.569
John's there and, um, how it really, it, it needs a different vibe, but there's a spot in, in town already that's, it's kind of got that over there behind, uh, J Jews, the sushi place, and for the life of me, I can't remember the name of it.

00:28:10.970 --> 00:28:13.710
Um, and I feel terrible because it's a fantastic store.

00:28:13.990 --> 00:28:15.025
Like, on Olive Street?

00:28:15.154 --> 00:28:15.355
Yeah.

00:28:15.734 --> 00:28:16.075
Yeah.

00:28:16.134 --> 00:28:16.674
Exactly.

00:28:16.744 --> 00:28:18.444
So right, right behind there.

00:28:18.494 --> 00:28:24.164
And, um, you know, it's clean, it's inviting, it's, it's the way an adult store should be.

00:28:24.214 --> 00:28:24.634
Right.

00:28:24.654 --> 00:28:30.694
They have a lot of fun stuff in there you feel smutty walking in there, even with your wife.

00:28:30.734 --> 00:28:31.434
Exactly.

00:28:31.434 --> 00:28:36.228
Listen, the last time we went by there, they had a bunch of beautiful dresses hanging out front.

00:28:36.228 --> 00:28:41.990
The doors were rolled up, the, you know, wind was blowing through, it was a nice afternoon.

00:28:41.990 --> 00:28:43.346
And it's very early.

00:28:43.346 --> 00:28:43.685
Yeah.

00:28:43.685 --> 00:28:44.025
Yeah.

00:28:44.095 --> 00:28:48.765
tastefully decorated and, um, but you know, and, and so we've thought about that with couples.

00:28:48.765 --> 00:28:51.744
That got y'all excited, probably, thinking about Dr.

00:28:51.744 --> 00:28:52.105
Johns.

00:28:52.105 --> 00:28:55.494
Right, well, you know, I couldn't remember the name of it, so it's a really great, we just found it.

00:28:55.494 --> 00:28:56.414
So there's a new store.

00:28:56.755 --> 00:29:00.914
Yeah, totally by chance, and it literally is a conversation we have, because Dr.

00:29:00.914 --> 00:29:01.984
Johns looks so terrible.

00:29:02.154 --> 00:29:02.714
Right.

00:29:03.305 --> 00:29:06.464
You know, and um, yeah, it's a cool spot.

00:29:06.714 --> 00:29:09.384
Well, and Amazon doesn't need to own that whole business.

00:29:09.454 --> 00:29:10.285
Exactly.

00:29:10.335 --> 00:29:16.555
Right, like, if I'm shopping for a dildo, I want to hold it in my hand before I order it, you know.

00:29:16.555 --> 00:29:16.740
Right.

00:29:16.869 --> 00:29:25.019
When we, we found GoPuff by chance or something like that, and we were trying to get some food, you know, GoPuff, you get your stuff in like 15, 20 minutes or something like GoPuff is.

00:29:25.480 --> 00:29:32.119
Yeah, it's, it's, they, they get like overstocked, they warehouse it locally and they figure out where they can get it to within like 20 minutes.

00:29:32.170 --> 00:29:32.710
Oh, interesting.

00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:34.974
And so, whatever it is, when you go in.

00:29:35.765 --> 00:29:36.634
It could be groceries.

00:29:36.634 --> 00:29:37.384
It could be whatever.

00:29:37.394 --> 00:29:39.174
But Christy's like, you're not going to believe this.

00:29:39.625 --> 00:29:41.954
She's like, I got groceries that are about to be delivered.

00:29:41.954 --> 00:29:43.875
And there's going to be six vibrators in there.

00:29:44.964 --> 00:29:46.105
So I'm like, what?

00:29:46.174 --> 00:29:48.595
I was like, she's like, and it's going to be here in 10 minutes.

00:29:48.634 --> 00:29:51.339
I'm like, how?

00:29:51.549 --> 00:29:51.799
What?

00:29:52.130 --> 00:29:52.809
How much was it?

00:29:52.809 --> 00:29:55.140
Yeah, you know, what in the world, you know?

00:29:55.140 --> 00:29:59.839
But they just have all kinds of products and she ended up giving them out at Christmas and stuff like that.

00:29:59.930 --> 00:30:01.420
So it was pretty funny, so.

00:30:02.009 --> 00:30:05.410
Yeah, always, uh, but it just feels kind of more.

00:30:06.250 --> 00:30:06.589
Private.

00:30:06.789 --> 00:30:07.990
You want to check it out.

00:30:08.539 --> 00:30:10.099
Uh, at least in your hand.

00:30:10.109 --> 00:30:10.519
Yeah.

00:30:10.589 --> 00:30:10.970
I don't know.

00:30:10.980 --> 00:30:11.869
I wouldn't know really.

00:30:11.869 --> 00:30:12.549
I've never bought them.

00:30:12.730 --> 00:30:16.289
They've got everything on display up there, so all you gotta do is go pop in.

00:30:16.549 --> 00:30:18.460
You know, have you some sushi and go next door.

00:30:18.470 --> 00:30:18.869
Yeah, yeah.

00:30:19.339 --> 00:30:22.740
Um, well I hope you find love in the next venture.

00:30:22.740 --> 00:30:23.490
I'm sure you will.

00:30:23.500 --> 00:30:25.660
Whatever that, whatever that looks like for you guys.

00:30:25.660 --> 00:30:27.099
You know, I think so.

00:30:27.099 --> 00:30:30.279
We just, we just wanted to have a positive effect, you know.

00:30:30.390 --> 00:30:31.680
Is that a distraction?

00:30:31.740 --> 00:30:39.609
Like thinking about, you know, What might be the next venture while Clarion is still operating or Like is it hard to keep the gas pedal down?

00:30:40.099 --> 00:30:43.960
You know, no, because I think it's one of those.

00:30:44.109 --> 00:30:45.890
Demand is higher than supply anyway.

00:30:46.049 --> 00:31:02.460
Yeah, yeah I, I, um, I'm a dreamer, you know And Christy is very much the executor and you know that that's really can be key to success in business if you can balance those now I do have the ability to execute.

00:31:02.460 --> 00:31:05.630
And that's very much what I do in the field with the crews and things like that.

00:31:05.630 --> 00:31:10.200
And it's very much, there's no dreaming, it's, it's facts and execution.

00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:15.829
But having her kind of encourage you and hold you accountable is probably a positive thing for your execution.

00:31:15.950 --> 00:31:16.650
It is, it is.

00:31:17.250 --> 00:31:23.069
And you know, and I'm a, I'm a dreamer at heart and I probably should have been an artist or something, or an architect.

00:31:23.079 --> 00:31:24.619
People accuse me of being whimsical.

00:31:24.619 --> 00:31:24.640
Yeah.

00:31:25.289 --> 00:31:37.119
Uh, and with dreamy thing, you know, I, you know, really you, you and I could sit and talk and within a few minutes, you know, I probably have some kind of a handful of crazy ideas to kind of chase down.

00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:47.150
And um, you know, Christy allows me to go out there and chase all those things and, and she has followed me along on some of that and that's not really her personality.

00:31:47.150 --> 00:31:49.369
You know, she's, she's a lot of trust.

00:31:50.454 --> 00:31:55.984
And so she said, Hey, you know, I gotta, I gotta pull back cause it's going in too many directions.

00:31:55.984 --> 00:32:01.904
You know, for me, those things, I can jump from one to the other very easily and I can do our business.

00:32:02.265 --> 00:32:03.934
I can start thinking about weddings.

00:32:04.174 --> 00:32:09.085
I can start dreaming up something that's completely unrelated and um, and things.

00:32:09.085 --> 00:32:12.450
And, and for me, That's a driver.

00:32:12.450 --> 00:32:13.539
That's a motivator.

00:32:13.539 --> 00:32:15.119
That's fun for me.

00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:15.460
Right.

00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:18.079
For her, she's about to lose her mind.

00:32:18.700 --> 00:32:21.839
It, I did the same thing to my poor kids as I moved them to Fort Collins.

00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:30.755
You know, they didn't know if they were moving to Florida, South Carolina, downtown Atlanta, New York city, or, you know, somehow he ended up in Fort Collins, Colorado.

00:32:30.845 --> 00:32:34.244
So luckily, but yeah.

00:32:34.244 --> 00:32:38.565
So, you know, I did a, That wasn't really a big thing to you to consider all those things at the same time.

00:32:38.605 --> 00:32:39.255
It wasn't.

00:32:39.255 --> 00:32:39.924
It wasn't.

00:32:39.924 --> 00:32:51.855
I was seeking it's very much like the business, you know, so I'm seeking and I'm looking and I'm, I'm casting this net, you know, and I'm just looking for something that, you know, Catches my eye and then I see it.

00:32:51.855 --> 00:32:53.184
And then is it feasible?

00:32:53.454 --> 00:33:01.214
And if I even see a, uh, an opportunity for success, I'll take it to the next or at least step or three or four, right?

00:33:01.224 --> 00:33:03.285
Where Chris is like, how about one?

00:33:03.295 --> 00:33:03.924
Yeah, exactly.

00:33:04.085 --> 00:33:05.275
And then we'll check it out more.

00:33:05.285 --> 00:33:05.605
Yeah.

00:33:05.605 --> 00:33:05.825
Yeah.

00:33:05.825 --> 00:33:20.039
You know, and, and, and you'll appreciate this as a, as a motorcycle guy too, and going back to the dirt bikes, you know, I had a dirt bike track in my yard, um, Um, for a while and live back in Georgia and a friend of mine would come over and during the week I would build all the jumps and everything that we would do.

00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:20.990
And he would come back.

00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:28.650
He'd come over on Saturday morning with a shovel and he would, he would, he would, he would not put off of each one.

00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:30.279
He would knock them all down.

00:33:30.349 --> 00:33:36.250
And um, you know, and I would protest and I would be all upset and I would say fine, but just no more.

00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:39.650
That's a minimum, which would be more than what he was comfortable with.

00:33:39.650 --> 00:33:39.940
Right.

00:33:39.940 --> 00:33:40.025
Okay.

00:33:40.025 --> 00:33:40.109
Okay.

00:33:40.109 --> 00:33:40.140
Okay.

00:33:40.305 --> 00:33:43.315
And then we would do it and it would work and it'd be perfect.

00:33:43.434 --> 00:33:49.505
It's like, thank God, you know, because if, if, if we would have done what I set out to do at first, you know, someone will be going to the hospital.

00:33:50.025 --> 00:33:50.414
Right.

00:33:50.414 --> 00:33:53.894
And if we were doing it like you, I mean, come on, why are we even doing it?

00:33:53.894 --> 00:33:54.144
Yeah.

00:33:54.525 --> 00:33:56.005
We might as well just ride around in circles.

00:33:56.335 --> 00:33:56.755
Right.

00:33:56.795 --> 00:33:57.164
Right.

00:33:57.484 --> 00:34:02.674
So I, that's, uh, you know, I think one day I'll write a book that it's all about dirt biking and life.

00:34:02.674 --> 00:34:04.085
Cause I think it's all related.

00:34:04.214 --> 00:34:09.385
There, you know, um, there's, well, it's all about, um, polarity kind of.

00:34:09.385 --> 00:34:09.434
Yeah.

00:34:09.969 --> 00:34:24.420
Um, and, and the thing I was thinking about mentioning just now is how likely how very similar you and I are and, um, Jill and Christy, and I'm going to gift you guys with, uh, the Hallows Relational Intelligence Test.

00:34:24.659 --> 00:34:25.300
Oh, yes.

00:34:25.329 --> 00:34:25.820
Yes.

00:34:25.880 --> 00:34:27.659
For being part of the podcast here.

00:34:27.659 --> 00:34:28.880
I'll give one for Christy, too.

00:34:28.900 --> 00:34:29.789
Oh, that'll be great.

00:34:29.829 --> 00:34:42.695
Um, and, uh, I won't get into it now, but definitely Jill and Christy are very similar in their desire to have things just so kind of, and me and you are very comfortable with not knowing how this is going to go.

00:34:42.804 --> 00:34:43.565
Right, right.

00:34:44.864 --> 00:34:47.224
Which is why we bought a box of blackberries.

00:34:47.635 --> 00:34:48.385
Our black box.

00:34:48.394 --> 00:34:49.885
Yeah, yeah, session today.

00:34:49.925 --> 00:34:50.554
Exactly.

00:34:50.554 --> 00:34:51.065
I know.

00:34:51.505 --> 00:34:52.505
Put, put that down.

00:34:52.534 --> 00:34:53.945
Yeah, about time to refill it.

00:34:53.994 --> 00:34:54.934
It probably will be soon.

00:34:55.445 --> 00:34:58.445
Um, so let's go.

00:34:58.514 --> 00:34:59.695
Let's jump in the time machine.

00:35:00.614 --> 00:35:01.054
Ready?

00:35:01.164 --> 00:35:02.215
All right, let's do it.

00:35:03.034 --> 00:35:06.525
Let's part that joint just quickly before we share the rest of it.

00:35:06.525 --> 00:35:07.074
It burned out.

00:35:07.494 --> 00:35:13.804
Um, so Chris Corbin, you are in.

00:35:15.565 --> 00:35:16.554
Going into kindergarten.

00:35:17.375 --> 00:35:19.425
What's the, what's the, what's the lay of the land?

00:35:19.505 --> 00:35:21.724
Oh man, going into kindergarten.

00:35:22.715 --> 00:35:25.585
Alright, I was, uh, I was born in Atlanta.

00:35:25.965 --> 00:35:26.355
Okay.

00:35:26.724 --> 00:35:28.494
You know, early, early 70s.

00:35:28.505 --> 00:35:30.605
You got like some remnants of a southern accent.

00:35:30.864 --> 00:35:32.434
Well man, it's, it's there.

00:35:32.445 --> 00:35:33.639
I mean, I can, I can turn it.

00:35:33.639 --> 00:35:34.164
I can hear it.

00:35:34.164 --> 00:35:35.764
I can turn that one off.

00:35:35.815 --> 00:35:37.094
It depends on whom I'm talking to.

00:35:37.094 --> 00:35:38.514
You know.

00:35:38.815 --> 00:35:39.114
Sir.

00:35:39.135 --> 00:35:49.414
But, uh, but no, um, Let's see, kindergarten, I'm living in Lithonia, Georgia, uh, just outside of Atlanta.

00:35:49.494 --> 00:35:54.574
Um, you know, would be considered a suburb of Atlanta.

00:35:54.695 --> 00:35:59.744
Um, and Now it is, especially then it was probably less so.

00:35:59.960 --> 00:36:18.469
It was, it was kind of right on the fringe, you know, and, um, in, in Atlanta and where I was at at that time too, um, you know, I was probably, um, you know, the demographics, you know, were, were probably, you know, half and half, you know, black and white, you mean black and white.

00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:18.849
Yeah.

00:36:18.860 --> 00:36:19.139
Okay.

00:36:19.400 --> 00:36:27.335
And, um, you know, it was, um, Parents were, you know, hippies.

00:36:27.605 --> 00:36:27.985
Okay.

00:36:28.304 --> 00:36:29.985
You know, I Were they from there?

00:36:30.054 --> 00:36:31.375
Uh, from Atlanta.

00:36:31.425 --> 00:36:31.855
Okay.

00:36:31.934 --> 00:36:32.295
Yeah.

00:36:32.474 --> 00:36:34.155
Um, from Atlanta.

00:36:34.235 --> 00:36:38.204
And, um, yeah, it was, it was a little, it was a little bit wild.

00:36:38.204 --> 00:36:39.364
Was there a lot of you?

00:36:39.824 --> 00:36:40.385
Or just you?

00:36:40.385 --> 00:36:41.594
Or how many kids?

00:36:41.605 --> 00:36:42.914
Myself and my sister.

00:36:42.994 --> 00:36:43.315
Okay.

00:36:43.344 --> 00:36:43.635
Yeah.

00:36:43.644 --> 00:36:45.114
Myself and my sister.

00:36:45.215 --> 00:36:47.034
And, um, yeah, here, I'll hit that.

00:36:51.230 --> 00:36:59.539
And, um, yeah, so as I was, as I was growing up, you know, I think, um, hippie households and then what did your parents do like for income?

00:36:59.550 --> 00:37:04.079
And were they, were they like lower middle class or like what was the financial situation?

00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:04.829
Did you know?

00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:06.969
Definitely, definitely lower class.

00:37:06.969 --> 00:37:08.139
Didn't have a whole lot of money.

00:37:08.190 --> 00:37:11.179
My mom got pregnant when she was 16.

00:37:11.659 --> 00:37:12.260
With you?

00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:12.880
With me.

00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:13.230
Okay.

00:37:13.230 --> 00:37:19.739
Yeah, had, had me just after turning 17, um, and her school wouldn't allow you to go to school.

00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:21.730
So she, she got kicked out of school.

00:37:21.730 --> 00:37:23.039
Yeah, she had to go get her GED.

00:37:23.130 --> 00:37:24.030
Here, that'll fix ya.

00:37:24.380 --> 00:37:24.809
Yeah.

00:37:24.809 --> 00:37:25.300
Expulsion.

00:37:25.300 --> 00:37:26.420
Yeah, exactly.

00:37:26.530 --> 00:37:28.090
Exactly, they didn't want the other kids to see it.

00:37:28.099 --> 00:37:29.389
I guess that's Bible Belt stuff, kinda.

00:37:29.500 --> 00:37:30.190
Oh, really?

00:37:30.190 --> 00:37:36.449
That's like a, yeah, I guess, kind of a, huh, that's wild, I've never heard about it.

00:37:36.449 --> 00:37:38.710
Yeah, so, um, yeah.

00:37:38.710 --> 00:37:39.329
Yeah.

00:37:39.869 --> 00:37:41.760
So, uh, that's kind of where I was.

00:37:41.760 --> 00:37:43.480
So, it was a young family.

00:37:43.650 --> 00:37:45.780
Um, my dad was a couple years older.

00:37:45.780 --> 00:37:47.739
You know, I think he was 20 when I was born.

00:37:48.190 --> 00:37:53.460
And, um, very, um, you know, very intelligent man.

00:37:53.610 --> 00:37:55.190
Uh, good with his hands.

00:37:55.210 --> 00:37:56.010
Wild at heart.

00:37:56.070 --> 00:38:02.469
you know, which, uh, you know, can lead to a world of pain if it's not managed properly, you know?

00:38:02.500 --> 00:38:05.699
So, and is that, that's pretty much, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:38:05.699 --> 00:38:09.670
It was, it was, uh, it was, it was tough as, as a kid saw a lot of wild stuff.

00:38:09.670 --> 00:38:11.500
I was very much loved by my parents.

00:38:11.969 --> 00:38:19.079
Um, that's one thing that, uh, you know, and as Christie and I tell stories and different things, you know, I always felt unconditional love from both my parents.

00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:28.190
Um, Crazy stuff happened though, you know, but, um, you know, you want to share a sample story?

00:38:28.190 --> 00:38:37.789
You know, I think, you know, just moving around a lot, we didn't move around a lot, but there was some, you know, there was some domestic violence stuff going on and things like that.

00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:39.289
Father was an alcoholic.

00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:44.440
Um, And he was the main earner, probably, while your mom raised the kids?

00:38:44.469 --> 00:38:45.159
Well, that was it.

00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:48.059
Yeah, she, she, she went to school, learned to cut hair.

00:38:48.139 --> 00:38:54.420
Um, I remember, I remember going to the school with her when I was a little boy and like being, getting my hair cut and stuff like that.

00:38:54.420 --> 00:39:00.360
And that's really, uh, what she did, um, throughout most of, of, um, her career.

00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:06.945
So she was probably the consistent, uh, uh, Earning person and he would go here and there sometimes.

00:39:06.954 --> 00:39:07.764
Well, good money.

00:39:07.775 --> 00:39:28.800
Well, well, no, he always worked pretty consistently And things but you know that relationship fell apart So then she's a single mother, you know in the mid 70s living off with you know, you guys with you know Myself and my sister You know, so we're really always Um, you know, you know, economically, just, just kind of getting by, right?

00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:29.829
Barely above the poverty line.

00:39:29.869 --> 00:39:30.530
Yeah, yeah.

00:39:30.530 --> 00:39:33.349
But, you know, I think there was always a lot of pride.

00:39:33.349 --> 00:39:41.679
My mother never did any kind of food stamps or anything like that, you know, had a little bit of family support, but, but not really.

00:39:41.679 --> 00:39:42.840
So it was very much on her own.

00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:45.909
And we got free lunch as kids until I was in 10th grade.

00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:49.019
grade was the first year that my parents, yeah, they were transparent about it.

00:39:49.449 --> 00:39:52.480
They were like, this isn't really okay, but we need the help.

00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:53.670
Yeah, exactly.

00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:54.750
You know, exactly.

00:39:54.750 --> 00:39:57.769
You know, and, and, and I probably got some different views on it now.

00:39:57.769 --> 00:40:08.340
And I think for her then it was, it's very much a pride thing, you know, someone we would have qualified for all of that, um, as well, you know, we mostly, and, and, and, you know, we were clean.

00:40:08.795 --> 00:40:11.514
We were polite, we were, we were well spoken.

00:40:11.885 --> 00:40:14.514
And so in a modest place, I'm sure always.

00:40:14.525 --> 00:40:16.594
And yeah, it, it slowly got better.

00:40:16.605 --> 00:40:24.184
It got better over the years, you know, and, um, and their, their careers evolved and, you know, and she remarried and, and things like that.

00:40:24.195 --> 00:40:29.184
And, um, you know, and, and life got a little better, but by then I would, I was, I was hightelling it.

00:40:29.195 --> 00:40:30.364
You were, you were free range.

00:40:30.394 --> 00:40:32.065
I got out as quick as I could.

00:40:32.335 --> 00:40:32.784
Yeah.

00:40:32.795 --> 00:40:34.605
It's, you know, and I, what does that look like for you?

00:40:34.605 --> 00:40:37.155
Like how old were you and like what kind of a student were you?

00:40:37.155 --> 00:40:40.494
You know, I was a struggling student.

00:40:40.534 --> 00:40:56.219
I was, um, you know, I, I think I've probably always been a bit of a pleasure seeker, you know, but, um, but always creative and it didn't have enough of, of kind of, um, In school too much?

00:40:56.429 --> 00:41:02.710
Well, you know, I think, I think I was, um, I, I, school just didn't quite fit me, right?

00:41:02.710 --> 00:41:13.516
Like my son came here and, uh, he went to school here in town and, um, and, you know, there, there was a lot, there's a lot more options for him in this day and age and different things and alternative schools.

00:41:13.516 --> 00:41:14.380
Finding a place that actually did fit and stuff.

00:41:14.380 --> 00:41:17.030
And you can fit, you know, and, and get in and things like that.

00:41:17.050 --> 00:41:19.929
And, um, you know, I just didn't do real well being spoken to.

00:41:19.985 --> 00:41:24.494
And that's very much what school was, um, for me.

00:41:24.494 --> 00:41:26.545
And, you know, there wasn't a whole lot else.

00:41:26.554 --> 00:41:37.505
So I made it through, you know, I remember my, I was being very happy, you know, my mom just being happy because, you know, it's, um, you know, before that time, you know, she hadn't graduated from high school.

00:41:37.505 --> 00:41:39.364
My father hadn't graduated from high school.

00:41:39.755 --> 00:42:01.655
My grandfather, you know, quit school when he was 13, you know, Um, so it's not like, you know, we came from, you know, uh, a, a line of PhDs or anything like that, but, um, but figured out how to, how to do it, you know, and by the time my mom had, had reached the end of her life, you know, they were doing very well and, you know, we're kind of able to do whatever they wanted to do.

00:42:01.655 --> 00:42:09.925
And she had gone on and went from that to real estate and had a great career and, uh, actually ended up at Chick fil A, which I think was her, was her favorite job.

00:42:09.925 --> 00:42:12.664
It was kind of a slow and steady wins the race and had a.

00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:14.860
Ultimately a successful life.

00:42:14.860 --> 00:42:19.650
And it sounds like you have a lot of appreciation for your stepdad as well as having felt loved by your dad.

00:42:19.719 --> 00:42:20.280
Oh yeah.

00:42:20.300 --> 00:42:21.260
Yeah, absolutely.

00:42:21.260 --> 00:42:33.344
You know, I think I was, um, you know, it was, I, I, I feel fortunate very much so that my, um, you know, my, my parents spoke to me, um, when I was as an adult as much as they could.

00:42:33.344 --> 00:42:33.635
Yeah, yeah.

00:42:33.664 --> 00:42:35.931
My father spoke to me like I was a grown man.

00:42:35.931 --> 00:42:39.414
So when teachers talked to you like you were a child, you were like, well, screw off.

00:42:39.664 --> 00:42:40.284
I'm smart too.

00:42:40.355 --> 00:42:41.434
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:42:41.434 --> 00:42:42.824
So, so, so it was a little different.

00:42:42.824 --> 00:42:46.375
So, you know, you kind of knew the ways of the world and things like that.

00:42:46.375 --> 00:42:48.135
So what does getting out of the nest look like for you then?

00:42:49.614 --> 00:42:49.925
school.

00:42:49.925 --> 00:42:58.195
And then it's just, you know, I went on, I, uh, I've, I've always, you know, job wise, I've either been building something or selling something.

00:42:58.195 --> 00:43:01.065
It's just kind of always been what's, what's there.

00:43:01.065 --> 00:43:11.474
And, uh, I went in and I was going after a marketing degree and, and things that, uh, a small school, um, in Atlanta and, um, their program to transfer into UGA.

00:43:11.565 --> 00:43:13.429
Um, Uh, dissolved.

00:43:14.389 --> 00:43:14.420
Oh.

00:43:14.420 --> 00:43:18.289
At the end when I, like, they, they lost their recommendation with UGA or something.

00:43:18.295 --> 00:43:18.650
Yeah, yeah.

00:43:18.650 --> 00:43:26.119
And it was, so they, they were trying to, you know, switch to a university and things like that and whatever, so that, that transfer program went away.

00:43:26.210 --> 00:43:29.300
And, um, I was so upset about the whole thing.

00:43:29.750 --> 00:43:30.889
Um, I'd say screw it.

00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:34.940
So my books got some, you know, went to Colorado and learned to ski.

00:43:35.210 --> 00:43:35.585
Is that right?

00:43:35.585 --> 00:43:36.980
That was my first trip to Colorado.

00:43:37.010 --> 00:43:37.400
Yeah.

00:43:37.550 --> 00:43:38.480
And did you move here right away?

00:43:38.974 --> 00:43:40.175
Uh, I did for a season.

00:43:40.204 --> 00:43:41.355
I, I lived at Keystone.

00:43:41.355 --> 00:43:49.684
I was a housekeeper and did that till they kicked me out for having a, a jelly jar bong, you know, or something like that.

00:43:50.085 --> 00:43:52.255
And, um, I think paraphernalia.

00:43:52.364 --> 00:43:52.974
Yeah, right.

00:43:52.974 --> 00:43:54.105
I couldn't call it what it is.

00:43:54.105 --> 00:43:57.094
Well, you know, I couldn't stay in the cheap employee housing.

00:43:57.144 --> 00:44:00.860
I had to move out of that, but if I was willing to pay more for the, the you.

00:44:00.860 --> 00:44:02.179
Bigger employee housing.

00:44:02.179 --> 00:44:04.710
They would make an exception to my violation.

00:44:04.710 --> 00:44:06.929
I'm like, ah, I'm going to Texas with a buddy.

00:44:06.929 --> 00:44:08.360
So I jumped on a bus and went to Texas.

00:44:08.750 --> 00:44:09.119
Okay.

00:44:09.460 --> 00:44:14.710
Like Austin or I went to Austin, stayed in Austin for about a month.

00:44:14.710 --> 00:44:22.050
And my mom had, um, had told me, and actually now saying this, I know what my, my story at the end will be.

00:44:22.530 --> 00:44:30.639
Um, so, um, my mom had always told me when I kind of went out to venture out and find my way, um, cause she knew I was going to go out there and.

00:44:31.105 --> 00:44:32.155
Who knows what would happen.

00:44:32.164 --> 00:44:35.815
She just told me, I'll get you a bus ride home, not a plane ticket.

00:44:36.204 --> 00:44:37.715
I'm not going to come get you.

00:44:37.715 --> 00:44:39.885
I'm in for a bus ride home if you ever need it.

00:44:39.894 --> 00:44:44.655
So just know you can call at any time and I will have a bus ticket waiting on you.

00:44:44.715 --> 00:44:47.855
And, uh, I called and I said, mom, I was like, I need that bus ticket.

00:44:47.885 --> 00:44:48.364
Oh, wow.

00:44:48.405 --> 00:44:48.695
Yeah.

00:44:48.724 --> 00:44:52.934
So, and, uh, took off and, uh, went back to Atlanta and then that was just a series.

00:44:52.934 --> 00:44:55.635
So this is the, my third time living in Colorado.

00:44:56.045 --> 00:44:57.005
So it's my place.

00:44:57.445 --> 00:45:05.375
Well, um, I met some Alabama people, uh, the musicians that you were like, must have been a later trip to Atlanta.

00:45:05.445 --> 00:45:06.396
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:45:06.396 --> 00:45:06.840
What was that band?

00:45:06.840 --> 00:45:08.065
Let's give them a shout out while we're thinking about it.

00:45:08.065 --> 00:45:13.375
Yeah, yeah, Eddie Ninevolt, Eddie Ninevolt, yeah, you guys should check them out, it's some real blues.

00:45:13.474 --> 00:45:20.135
And, uh, yeah, they, uh, those guys lived across the street from us, about the time when I told you I had that dirt bike track in my yard.

00:45:20.914 --> 00:45:22.655
By the way, I was a grown man.

00:45:22.655 --> 00:45:27.894
It may have sounded like I was a child, but I was a grown man on a child sized motorcycle.

00:45:28.224 --> 00:45:35.715
So, um, so my son and, and, and, uh, and, and those guys were friends and, uh, we're in a couple of bands together.

00:45:35.824 --> 00:45:36.385
Right, right.

00:45:36.929 --> 00:45:37.559
Eddie nine Volt.

00:45:37.590 --> 00:45:38.219
You check'em out.

00:45:38.250 --> 00:45:38.340
Yeah.

00:45:38.340 --> 00:45:41.309
They worked at the Armory here in Fort Collins, which doesn't book any bull.

00:45:41.369 --> 00:45:42.030
Yeah, man.

00:45:42.030 --> 00:45:43.110
You know, that's cool.

00:45:43.139 --> 00:45:44.159
Those guys rip.

00:45:44.190 --> 00:45:45.599
They, they, they, they did rip.

00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:46.860
They live it.

00:45:46.860 --> 00:45:48.329
I mean, listen, it's no joke.

00:45:48.420 --> 00:45:58.460
You know, they, you know, if they're singing a song about, you know, living in a trailer in South Georgia, it's caused, that's what they've done, you know, and, uh, and, and they feel it, and they play real stuff, so, yeah.

00:45:58.460 --> 00:45:58.460
Yeah.

00:45:58.519 --> 00:46:02.869
And you know, that's kind, any kind of music where anybody puts their soul into it, I, I can do it.

00:46:02.900 --> 00:46:03.260
You know?

00:46:03.590 --> 00:46:05.150
So you get home to Atlanta.

00:46:05.655 --> 00:46:08.184
And mom's there.

00:46:08.355 --> 00:46:09.784
Oh, no, no, I didn't go home.

00:46:09.795 --> 00:46:09.965
Yeah.

00:46:09.965 --> 00:46:10.905
I didn't go home to her.

00:46:11.054 --> 00:46:11.514
The bus ticket.

00:46:11.525 --> 00:46:12.775
You took her to a different place.

00:46:12.954 --> 00:46:14.574
No, I went, I went back to Atlanta.

00:46:14.635 --> 00:46:17.925
And again, when we come to the crazy stories, I'll bring you back.

00:46:17.934 --> 00:46:22.945
And if you'll ask me about it at the end, I'll tell you what happened when I actually got, did get back to Atlanta.

00:46:23.480 --> 00:46:26.230
But, um, I got back and we can do a couple of chapters ahead.

00:46:26.260 --> 00:46:27.599
If you want to, yeah, yeah.

00:46:27.650 --> 00:46:40.539
Uh, I went back and got to Atlanta and, you know, kind of told my friends about my experience in Colorado and what it was like, and kind of, that actually started this kind of exodus of people going out and adventuring and, and trying different places.

00:46:40.539 --> 00:46:42.219
A lot of them in Colorado.

00:46:42.940 --> 00:46:48.559
Well, I've listened, it's, you know, me, I'm, I'm, you know, my, um, one of my closest friends or selling something.

00:46:48.590 --> 00:46:49.019
Yeah.

00:46:49.019 --> 00:46:49.320
Yeah.

00:46:49.320 --> 00:47:05.094
My, you know, my, my closest friend calls me and I'm an adult bully and Um, you know, now Christie's Christie's picked up on it, you know, but I just try to help people, you know, recognize their fullest potential the same way, like, would you just stop persuading me?

00:47:05.135 --> 00:47:07.155
Like, I've already decided I'm not going to do it.

00:47:07.164 --> 00:47:09.215
But if you keep talking, I'm probably going to do it.

00:47:09.545 --> 00:47:09.875
Right?

00:47:10.065 --> 00:47:10.425
Right.

00:47:10.425 --> 00:47:10.905
Yeah.

00:47:10.994 --> 00:47:11.434
Yeah.

00:47:11.434 --> 00:47:14.684
So we have that, uh, similarity probably.

00:47:15.224 --> 00:47:21.664
Um, so go buy yourself some, uh, uh, what, what's the Apple way to get the 89 volt?

00:47:21.965 --> 00:47:23.244
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:47:23.244 --> 00:47:24.155
Can they buy them on their website?

00:47:24.264 --> 00:47:26.175
Oh yeah.

00:47:26.175 --> 00:47:28.474
I'm sure if you check them out, you can, you can, you can.

00:47:28.485 --> 00:47:29.605
You won't be able to help but like them.

00:47:29.614 --> 00:47:30.335
You can find them online.

00:47:30.335 --> 00:47:33.195
I put them on my Apple, uh, library, like right away.

00:47:33.315 --> 00:47:41.324
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they, they, they kill it, you know, and, and that started, music kind of came into our family, you know, around that time with the kids.

00:47:41.385 --> 00:47:43.485
I, you know, I can, I can have a few beers.

00:47:43.485 --> 00:47:45.014
And where'd you find a woman along this way?

00:47:45.045 --> 00:48:02.045
Were you Oh yeah, as far as like coming back, yeah, coming back to Georgia, um, you know, had, had been someone I had met in high school and we just kept kind of reconnecting and actually happened, uh, got together with her and, and really kind of.

00:48:02.514 --> 00:48:05.135
Um, established our relationship not long after that.

00:48:05.135 --> 00:48:05.414
Right.

00:48:05.414 --> 00:48:07.224
So I go off for my adventure.

00:48:07.775 --> 00:48:22.275
I see Colorado and the Rockies and fall in love and, you know, go from skiing in a pair of jeans to, you know, really kind of ripping down the mountain and, and, and figuring out, you know, thinking I was ripping down the mountain, you know, so, right, right.

00:48:22.335 --> 00:48:30.945
But, um, but yeah, and then, and then going back to Georgia and, uh, you know, um, kind of starting to create a life and then, um, again, dreaming.

00:48:31.159 --> 00:48:40.969
Along the whole way, and um, but still just trying to do the right thing and, and fit into a mold, you know, to a degree and I'm finally done with the mold.

00:48:41.179 --> 00:48:42.130
Right, I like that.

00:48:42.639 --> 00:48:46.989
What was your last stop before, um, Fort Collins?

00:48:47.045 --> 00:48:48.978
So, uh, I think that's it for you, for your family.

00:48:48.978 --> 00:48:55.215
Yeah, we were, we were in Atlanta and um, had, had been in Atlanta, I think maybe about eight years or so.

00:48:55.215 --> 00:48:56.574
So when did you live in Southern Colorado?

00:48:56.574 --> 00:49:04.755
Didn't you live So, came in, so when my, when, when Jacob, you know, my, my oldest son was, uh, was born, uh, we moved to Alamosa.

00:49:05.005 --> 00:49:05.315
Oh, okay.

00:49:05.324 --> 00:49:07.085
When he was about a year old, yeah.

00:49:07.164 --> 00:49:11.195
And uh, we lived down there in the San Luis Valley and Interesting choice.

00:49:11.195 --> 00:49:17.074
How does one choose, like, there's got to be a story that leads up to moving to Alamosa.

00:49:17.545 --> 00:49:18.364
Yes, yes it did.

00:49:18.465 --> 00:49:24.715
Because my, my closest neighbors were each a mile away and the only person I saw on the way to work was the crop dusting plane.

00:49:24.764 --> 00:49:25.235
Right.

00:49:25.275 --> 00:49:27.905
You know, so that's, that's, and that's no exaggeration.

00:49:27.914 --> 00:49:37.820
Well, it's like a grid pattern in the middle of Uh, yeah, we rented a little place from, yeah, it had beautiful views and, and, and things like that.

00:49:37.829 --> 00:49:42.980
And, you know, 10 million mosquitoes, was it just about fulfilling a dream to get back to Colorado?

00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:45.409
You said your wife had some kind of an opportunity there.

00:49:45.429 --> 00:49:50.050
Well, her, her father actually got a job at Adams State College, so they were there.

00:49:50.130 --> 00:49:55.019
So again, we had a brand new baby and so that was kind of a, a safe jump.

00:49:55.730 --> 00:50:00.449
The, the moment I, I left Colorado, I was trying to figure out how to get back.

00:50:00.500 --> 00:50:00.869
Right.

00:50:00.960 --> 00:50:04.389
You're like, well, it's not Fort Collins or Denver.

00:50:04.409 --> 00:50:05.869
Well, I didn't, I didn't know.

00:50:05.940 --> 00:50:07.780
I didn't know any of the mountains.

00:50:07.780 --> 00:50:08.730
That's all you really do.

00:50:08.789 --> 00:50:13.480
All I knew was what it was like to look up and see the green, the blue and the white.

00:50:13.690 --> 00:50:15.820
This is before the internet kind of, right?

00:50:15.829 --> 00:50:20.210
Like, um, I didn't know the difference between Fort Collins and Fort Morgan.

00:50:20.840 --> 00:50:30.099
Oh, I would have had no idea what I got passed over for a job in Fort Collins, and then I was going to be booking a flight to Fort Morgan or travel accommodations or whatever.

00:50:30.550 --> 00:50:36.969
And then, um, the guy from Fort Collins called back and said, Hey, the guy didn't accept the job that we offered him.

00:50:37.389 --> 00:50:37.639
Yeah.

00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:38.289
We're premature.

00:50:38.289 --> 00:50:39.179
Do you still want it?

00:50:39.250 --> 00:50:41.360
I moved to Fort Collins sight unseen.

00:50:41.480 --> 00:50:41.769
Right.

00:50:41.829 --> 00:50:42.860
And I knew nothing different.

00:50:42.980 --> 00:50:43.909
Like at the time.

00:50:43.909 --> 00:50:47.420
And so probably Alamosa meant nothing to you except for it was part of Colorado.

00:50:48.300 --> 00:50:51.010
Listen, I, I had no idea where I was going.

00:50:51.519 --> 00:51:00.829
You know, I didn't even really know that that type of Colorado existed, you know, um, that was All you'd seen was mountains and ski slopes and stuff before that.

00:51:01.074 --> 00:51:05.454
Listen, it was, uh, it's a beautiful place and I actually love the dunes down there.

00:51:05.465 --> 00:51:16.655
And it's, uh, you know, if you ever, I love the people down there, you know, for the most part, listen, we were just through there coming back from, uh, from a trip from Arizona and, um, Alamosas.

00:51:16.914 --> 00:51:22.355
got a little bit going on like, yeah, I listen, being a guy from Georgia, they had a legit barbecue place.

00:51:22.364 --> 00:51:27.655
So again, I'm terrible with the names, but if you're in Alamosa, they got for the legit barbecue place.

00:51:27.664 --> 00:51:29.375
They got a legit barbecue place.

00:51:29.425 --> 00:51:29.855
Yeah.

00:51:29.894 --> 00:51:30.304
Yeah.

00:51:30.304 --> 00:51:35.264
So, um, so, you know, so ended up, uh, it's a different choice, right?

00:51:35.275 --> 00:51:41.007
Like it's not for, you know, Me or you necessarily, but for some people, that's just the kind of place they want to be.

00:51:41.007 --> 00:51:41.226
Yeah.

00:51:41.226 --> 00:51:41.445
Yeah.

00:51:41.445 --> 00:51:47.255
You know, in the, in the school and everything around there, but it's, you know, it can be 110 degrees.

00:51:47.275 --> 00:51:48.974
It can also be negative 30.

00:51:49.005 --> 00:51:54.235
It, it fights with some terrible place in Minnesota for being the coldest spot in the world.

00:51:54.244 --> 00:51:58.315
No, the country or something, but it's, uh, it's a brutal place.

00:51:58.375 --> 00:52:01.934
Uh, you're probably going to see some UFOs and it's incredibly beautiful.

00:52:02.005 --> 00:52:06.534
Um, there's some funky stuff that happens out there, man.

00:52:06.565 --> 00:52:11.074
I, I did not, uh, my wife worked at, um, at the time.

00:52:11.125 --> 00:52:16.014
Um, um, Forbes, um, had a big Buffalo ranch out there and everything like that.

00:52:16.014 --> 00:52:16.394
Right.

00:52:16.735 --> 00:52:18.934
And they had a little restaurant Zapata.

00:52:19.150 --> 00:52:27.219
Uh, it's a pot of ranch there and, uh, she worked there and from where we lived, it was like 25 miles on a straight road.

00:52:27.219 --> 00:52:29.360
You hang a left for three miles and that's where we are.

00:52:29.360 --> 00:52:29.510
Right.

00:52:29.880 --> 00:52:35.199
So, I mean, and you can see the other, she, she's totally, yeah, she's had her telescope.

00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:36.860
You could literally watch your wife drive to work.

00:52:36.889 --> 00:52:37.500
Exactly.

00:52:37.619 --> 00:52:37.989
Exactly.

00:52:38.190 --> 00:52:44.019
So, so she, she's coming home, you know, the restaurants closed and, uh, you know, one in the morning.

00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:55.630
You listen, somebody's headed towards you, you know, at 20 minutes before they get to you and suddenly, um, you know, something's, you know, light shining from behind, everything around her is lit up.

00:52:55.650 --> 00:53:01.250
She speeds up to, you know, over a hundred and she starts getting scared and lets off of the gas.

00:53:01.250 --> 00:53:03.585
Luckily, the light shuts off and just is gone.

00:53:03.784 --> 00:53:04.264
Gone.

00:53:04.804 --> 00:53:05.164
Right.

00:53:05.164 --> 00:53:06.315
So sounds crazy.

00:53:06.315 --> 00:53:07.605
And this is your wife.

00:53:07.605 --> 00:53:07.675
Yeah.

00:53:07.675 --> 00:53:08.005
Yeah.

00:53:08.074 --> 00:53:08.304
Yeah.

00:53:08.304 --> 00:53:08.514
Yeah.

00:53:08.724 --> 00:53:08.894
Yeah.

00:53:08.934 --> 00:53:09.094
Yeah.

00:53:09.094 --> 00:53:15.534
Not Christie first, first wife, you know, and this probably would have been, you know, late nineties or something with you saying that story.

00:53:15.905 --> 00:53:16.355
Oh yeah.

00:53:16.355 --> 00:53:16.605
Yeah.

00:53:16.605 --> 00:53:17.585
It scared her to death.

00:53:17.585 --> 00:53:17.795
Yeah.

00:53:17.795 --> 00:53:21.235
I'm sure she would, um, uh, repeat the same story.

00:53:21.385 --> 00:53:25.505
Yeah, it was, um, but it was, it's, it's, it's, there's some crazy stuff going on down there.

00:53:25.505 --> 00:53:28.114
So we stayed in Alamosa about three months.

00:53:28.114 --> 00:53:28.755
We got out of there.

00:53:28.755 --> 00:53:33.994
We went up and I visited a buddy that was in winter park and I was like, Okay.

00:53:34.414 --> 00:53:38.074
And I'm looking at the job listings and the class and listen immediately.

00:53:38.074 --> 00:53:38.764
Immediately.

00:53:38.764 --> 00:53:40.114
And that's exactly what I did.

00:53:40.114 --> 00:53:44.014
I picked up the paper and, and I did the same thing as we got to Alamosa.

00:53:44.014 --> 00:53:46.505
You know, we typically had, you know.

00:53:47.085 --> 00:53:50.715
Very little money with it, you know, hundreds of dollars, not thousands.

00:53:50.715 --> 00:53:51.175
Right, right.

00:53:51.255 --> 00:53:53.675
And, um, because we were a young family.

00:53:53.715 --> 00:53:55.065
And you got three kids?

00:53:55.284 --> 00:53:56.284
Jacob was the last?

00:53:56.625 --> 00:53:57.894
Oh, Jacob was just born.

00:53:57.905 --> 00:53:58.295
Yeah.

00:53:58.315 --> 00:53:59.135
So the others weren't there yet.

00:53:59.175 --> 00:53:59.824
Yeah, yeah.

00:53:59.824 --> 00:54:01.954
Jacob, Jacob was just born.

00:54:02.054 --> 00:54:30.885
And, um, Yeah, so we kind of made our way and and got a job in Winter Park and started building log and timber frame homes and oh The the winters were rough there, too And you know my sister had moved to Arizona and the internet had just become a thing and we looked at a couple of pictures of What an apartment complex, you know in Arizona looked like and saw some greenery and things like that And I think that's good enough for me.

00:54:31.025 --> 00:54:36.954
Well, yeah, she she had had enough and and and I knew you know It wasn't a happy place for her.

00:54:36.954 --> 00:54:39.284
Did you never really come to the front range of Colorado?

00:54:39.335 --> 00:54:54.519
Um, or barely only when we had to yeah, I did not like it Yeah, did not like it immediately turned back and went to the mountains as quick as I could and And, um, but yeah, I think quite a transition to go to Arizona after well, we had, you know, we, we knew she was ready to get out of the mountains.

00:54:54.530 --> 00:54:55.920
She had had enough Colorado.

00:54:56.179 --> 00:54:58.440
Um, we had 700.

00:54:58.510 --> 00:55:03.010
It was 1, 000 to, to get the rental truck to go back to Atlanta.

00:55:03.465 --> 00:55:08.304
Um, it was like three or four hundred dollars to get to Arizona where my sister was.

00:55:08.474 --> 00:55:08.864
Yeah, yeah.

00:55:08.905 --> 00:55:12.175
And that would leave us with an extra three hundred dollars left over.

00:55:12.175 --> 00:55:16.244
So, she took off with, uh, Jacob went to Arizona.

00:55:16.704 --> 00:55:18.434
Got a job leasing apartments.

00:55:18.755 --> 00:55:24.025
Well, um, you know, like within the first week or two and we, uh, yeah.

00:55:24.054 --> 00:55:28.994
And then I packed up and went to Arizona and got a job as an installer.

00:55:29.715 --> 00:55:34.175
And, you know, led me to what became my career and all these years later.

00:55:34.264 --> 00:55:34.474
Yeah.

00:55:34.474 --> 00:55:34.784
Yeah.

00:55:35.184 --> 00:55:38.135
Installer of what, um, millwork fixtures.

00:55:38.184 --> 00:55:38.494
Okay.

00:55:38.565 --> 00:55:49.155
Um, so we're going in, um, you know, I had, um, it's already cut to size kind of, and then, uh, no, well, no, at, at that time, like we were, I, I got stuck building out, like, how did you learn how to.

00:55:50.800 --> 00:56:03.119
Listen, you know, to, to be completely honest with you and I've told my kids, uh, this as well, and Christie, you know, as we go in and venture out on some of these projects, cause I get that question a lot, how did you know how to do that?

00:56:03.119 --> 00:56:12.489
And, um, most of the time I don't, and if you ever stick with what, you know, you're not going to get real far, man, where you're going to be stuck in the same room.

00:56:12.929 --> 00:56:17.360
So I've, I've always gone, well, I had just enough, right.

00:56:17.460 --> 00:56:19.699
But you know how to do a mitered.

00:56:19.909 --> 00:56:24.210
The joint is like, that stays the same, but 90 degrees isn't always 90 degrees.

00:56:24.219 --> 00:56:31.070
When I got my job as a carpenter, I, I knew what that was, but I didn't know how to necessarily know how to do it.

00:56:31.090 --> 00:56:33.460
And I certainly didn't know how to do it well.

00:56:33.750 --> 00:56:39.989
And you had no formal training, you know, I had no, you know, my, my dad was a builder.

00:56:39.989 --> 00:56:43.949
So on the weekends when we would go to stay with him and he had to work.

00:56:44.514 --> 00:56:45.184
We would work.

00:56:45.184 --> 00:56:49.605
There was a very short time I may have worked with him, um, a little bit over a couple summers.

00:56:49.605 --> 00:56:57.144
I, um, did some tile with my granddad, but I think, you know, some people, you know, just kind of have an innate ability.

00:56:57.155 --> 00:56:57.655
It makes sense.

00:56:58.215 --> 00:57:00.304
Part of the reason, probably why I like riding motorcycles.

00:57:00.465 --> 00:57:02.074
It's just a mind hand connection.

00:57:02.144 --> 00:57:02.605
Yep, yep.

00:57:02.664 --> 00:57:06.445
And, um, really, I wasn't, I was a terrible carpenter.

00:57:07.380 --> 00:57:18.159
Um, to be honest with you, um, you know, the, the, the people that, that, that, that hire us now because, um, you know, would not want to hear that.

00:57:18.170 --> 00:57:26.255
And, but I wasn't a very good carpenter, but I was, um, I was, I was driven to become a better carpenter.

00:57:26.255 --> 00:57:27.945
I always wanted to learn something.

00:57:28.494 --> 00:57:34.014
And, um, so every day I just tried to learn and tried to do a little better, but I was also a good salesperson.

00:57:34.085 --> 00:57:34.355
Right.

00:57:34.355 --> 00:57:34.614
Right.

00:57:34.675 --> 00:57:36.585
Uh, I kept my workspace clean.

00:57:36.664 --> 00:57:40.885
I showed up on time, you know, I did all these other things that.

00:57:41.300 --> 00:57:45.539
Aren't carpentry, but really are part of, of, of selling yourself.

00:57:45.539 --> 00:57:49.909
And the truth is every single person is out there selling yourself.

00:57:49.929 --> 00:57:53.650
You're either selling, selling hard, or you're not selling real hard at all.

00:57:53.769 --> 00:57:57.019
You know, but no, you are selling yourself every day.

00:57:57.070 --> 00:57:59.914
When, uh, when I moved from, uh, from.

00:58:00.195 --> 00:58:04.815
Windsor, Colorado, bank of Colorado, uh, with Tom Pranger as the president there.

00:58:04.824 --> 00:58:06.605
And I moved to Colorado Springs.

00:58:06.985 --> 00:58:09.574
Bank of Colorado had acquired a few banks.

00:58:10.215 --> 00:58:13.565
Um, Tom Pranger, if he hears this, good bless you.

00:58:13.985 --> 00:58:19.125
Um, but he said, when we were leaving at the Golden Way party, he's like, well, Kurt, you're, you know, you're pretty fresh.

00:58:19.125 --> 00:58:24.324
You don't really know what you're doing yet, but you show up, you work hard and everybody around here really likes you.

00:58:24.635 --> 00:58:26.094
And so we're going to miss that.

00:58:26.175 --> 00:58:26.605
Yeah.

00:58:26.684 --> 00:58:30.494
You know, and that was like every place I worked kind of a little bit.

00:58:31.025 --> 00:58:34.445
Everybody just, it was just a little bit better six months after I'd been there.

00:58:34.445 --> 00:58:37.307
I think that's part of our similarity in things.

00:58:37.307 --> 00:58:45.577
Exactly, you know, and I think you find your way, you know, and in saying that, you know, know that I'd, I'd never have jumped blindly.

00:58:45.577 --> 00:58:46.849
I don't do that.

00:58:46.889 --> 00:58:56.840
I probably take a little more risks than the normal person does, but you know, whether it's my play or whatever it is, um, I'm pretty strategic about it and I think about it.

00:58:56.860 --> 00:59:02.420
So it is loose and fast, uh, to a certain degree, but that's typically at the end.

00:59:02.530 --> 00:59:07.659
Like it's, you know, trying to work toward good ends, it doesn't, you know, if you're working toward good things.

00:59:08.195 --> 00:59:09.974
Kind of the style of work matters a lot less.

00:59:10.585 --> 00:59:11.034
Yeah.

00:59:11.264 --> 00:59:18.925
And you, you know, with, with the carpentry and things like that, um, I just kept at it and I just had a good work ethic and then I found a good teacher.

00:59:19.315 --> 00:59:19.735
Right.

00:59:19.764 --> 00:59:20.635
A good mentor.

00:59:20.695 --> 00:59:21.594
When we want to mention.

00:59:22.045 --> 00:59:22.355
Yeah.

00:59:22.554 --> 00:59:23.934
Uh, you know, I.

00:59:24.255 --> 00:59:26.465
Couldn't, couldn't, couldn't tell you his name.

00:59:26.465 --> 00:59:29.474
Um, you know, yeah, I, I see him.

00:59:29.474 --> 00:59:30.835
He was from Arkansas.

00:59:30.864 --> 00:59:53.730
He had been a logger and, um, it was when we were in winter park, we were building a home, um, towards Grand Lake and, uh, came in there and, um, He went from kind of what I was trying to do before, which I was building, you know, or working on, you know, 20, 000 square foot houses in Atlanta and, and, and really trying to do this really difficult things and, and things like that.

00:59:53.730 --> 00:59:56.820
You, you learn very quickly what you're good at and what you can and can't do.

00:59:57.260 --> 01:00:02.420
And, uh, but when I got there, he just took the time with me and I remember I was going in and, and.

01:00:02.420 --> 01:00:06.750
I had to do this mirror and he said, listen, I don't care how long it takes.

01:00:07.340 --> 01:00:10.489
I want it to look like it grew there, right?

01:00:10.510 --> 01:00:11.280
And that was it.

01:00:11.400 --> 01:00:13.159
And he, and he walked away.

01:00:13.534 --> 01:00:15.085
And, and that was really it.

01:00:15.175 --> 01:00:26.534
And then, um, and then, so that really taught me a lot about detail and, and also he, he allowed me the flexibility and the opportunity to think through the things that I was doing and to make mistakes.

01:00:26.565 --> 01:00:28.534
And that's one things that, that I do in my guts.

01:00:28.534 --> 01:00:35.224
Artisanal and artists touch to some of your projects, uh, even if it's not spec, that kind of thing.

01:00:35.335 --> 01:00:40.985
Oh, listen, the stuff that we do is, you know, I mean, some of the stuff where, you know, we're throwing up some metal shelves and things like that.

01:00:41.014 --> 01:00:41.525
But.

01:00:41.675 --> 01:00:46.304
But most of it is it's, it's, it's difficult stuff to do.

01:00:46.315 --> 01:00:50.844
It's meant to be, it's a little bit more, it's, it's very high end.

01:00:50.844 --> 01:00:59.275
It's not like if you're going to a home and you know, and you're doing some stuff that someone's going to come through and paint later, um, this is something that you're doing that has to look perfect.

01:00:59.574 --> 01:01:01.094
It's already prefinished.

01:01:01.155 --> 01:01:05.925
Don't let anyone know that it's ever been cut or nailed or glued or anything like that.

01:01:05.925 --> 01:01:08.644
And, By the way, you've got to be done tomorrow.

01:01:09.684 --> 01:01:22.545
So that's the world that I live in most of the time, which is why I want to go out and find, you know, let's find something else for this next chapter in life, you know, that, um, that's, uh, you know, I have a good time with everything I do, but, you know.

01:01:22.775 --> 01:01:25.545
I'd like to relax a little bit more and still make a living.

01:01:25.545 --> 01:01:26.525
Yeah, yeah, fair enough.

01:01:26.534 --> 01:01:29.204
Well, you've got a pretty sharp mind, and so I won't be surprised if you do that.

01:01:29.204 --> 01:01:30.085
Yeah, yeah.

01:01:30.195 --> 01:01:35.155
Um, should we call a short break, and then we can come back and talk some more stuff?

01:01:35.164 --> 01:01:35.184
Yeah.

01:01:35.235 --> 01:01:36.974
And we're back.

01:01:37.465 --> 01:01:39.985
Um, the sky is really amazing out there.

01:01:40.434 --> 01:01:41.644
Yeah, it's, it's beautiful.

01:01:41.644 --> 01:01:43.695
It's that Colorado blue sky, right?

01:01:43.764 --> 01:01:45.315
Uh, but with some fun, like.

01:01:45.409 --> 01:01:48.840
clouds behind ahead of sun, you know, through stuff going on.

01:01:48.849 --> 01:01:50.030
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:01:50.030 --> 01:01:57.219
You know, we were outside there for a moment and I found myself just staring at the clouds, watching them float by for a moment for sure.

01:01:57.789 --> 01:02:05.960
Um, so we're going to enter into our faith, family and politics segments and they can be taken in any order, uh, but are all mandatory.

01:02:06.110 --> 01:02:06.659
Oh my gosh.

01:02:06.659 --> 01:02:06.980
Okay.

01:02:07.019 --> 01:02:07.300
Yeah.

01:02:07.750 --> 01:02:10.829
Uh, do you have a, an order in mind that you'd like to address them?

01:02:10.889 --> 01:02:12.639
No, you pick, you pick, man.

01:02:12.639 --> 01:02:12.789
Yeah.

01:02:12.789 --> 01:02:13.639
You pick the flow.

01:02:14.309 --> 01:02:15.730
Well, let's talk about your family more.

01:02:16.179 --> 01:02:19.119
Um, so, what is this Brady Bunch?

01:02:19.170 --> 01:02:22.119
Uh, can we, uh, cause Christy's got three?

01:02:22.130 --> 01:02:24.090
Yeah, yeah, no, no, no.

01:02:24.570 --> 01:02:24.960
Four?

01:02:24.989 --> 01:02:26.639
Christy's, yeah, Christy's got She's got four?

01:02:26.650 --> 01:02:28.844
Christy's got five kids.

01:02:28.844 --> 01:02:29.900
Five! Sorry.

01:02:30.119 --> 01:02:32.389
Christy's got five, I've got three.

01:02:32.570 --> 01:02:34.579
I usually know mostly who matches with who.

01:02:34.579 --> 01:02:35.019
Yeah.

01:02:35.030 --> 01:02:35.570
I don't keep track.

01:02:35.579 --> 01:02:37.429
All in, all in, uh.

01:02:37.769 --> 01:02:43.039
various phases of life, all adults, um, all amazing people.

01:02:43.059 --> 01:02:54.559
And, um, you know, for, for us, it's, uh, it's just great kind of being able to be there and, and be present for them all and try to, um, each of them around.

01:02:54.630 --> 01:02:54.929
Yeah.

01:02:54.929 --> 01:02:58.739
You know, every month, probably most of them are around once or twice at least.

01:02:58.760 --> 01:02:59.150
Yeah.

01:02:59.150 --> 01:02:59.510
Yeah.

01:02:59.510 --> 01:03:05.869
We, you know, and of course we have, we have kind of a crazy life and, um, you know, just because of our business.

01:03:05.880 --> 01:03:06.070
Right.

01:03:06.070 --> 01:03:10.969
When you're gone for two months and then you're, when you're back, then they're like, Hey, let's go visit them or have a little party or whatever.

01:03:10.969 --> 01:03:11.320
Yeah.

01:03:11.320 --> 01:03:11.409
Yeah.

01:03:11.420 --> 01:03:14.559
And you know, in my kids, that was always kind of part of my career.

01:03:14.559 --> 01:03:18.610
So, you know, the travel and dads in different city didn't, didn't mean.

01:03:18.675 --> 01:03:21.045
too much, you know, for Christy and her family.

01:03:21.045 --> 01:03:27.534
That's kind of a different thing, you know, to, to have mom in Manhattan, you know, for, for three months.

01:03:27.534 --> 01:03:30.014
And you know why it's, it's great to go visit.

01:03:30.025 --> 01:03:32.824
You're only there for, you know, a week or two or something like that.

01:03:33.485 --> 01:03:35.114
First time your mom's cross country.

01:03:35.114 --> 01:03:44.730
So, um, let's start with, can we start with, uh, Are you comfortable doing the, the, the one word description test with all the kids of the merged family?

01:03:44.760 --> 01:03:46.679
I'll, I'll, I'll, oh, oh my gosh.

01:03:46.679 --> 01:03:47.280
Or just yours?

01:03:47.289 --> 01:03:49.280
Yeah, you know, I think I'll stick with my kids.

01:03:49.280 --> 01:03:53.420
It seems pretty trepidatious to try to Yeah, I'll stick with, I'll stick with my kids.

01:03:53.469 --> 01:04:00.030
Um, you know, and Let's name, let's name your, your I imagine you didn't adopt them because they're all adults before.

01:04:00.030 --> 01:04:07.730
Yeah, no, uh, no, no, no adoptions, which I absolutely love and, uh, appreciate anybody that's out there that can do that.

01:04:07.739 --> 01:04:11.750
And I, and I actually, Christy and I kid around, you know, I'm probably half kidding.

01:04:12.070 --> 01:04:16.019
You know, I don't actually, you know, we, we might need to, might need to scratch that.

01:04:16.030 --> 01:04:17.610
I don't want to, I don't want any more kids.

01:04:18.050 --> 01:04:21.739
Um, I'll wait to be a granddad to come along and stuff like that.

01:04:21.739 --> 01:04:25.139
But, uh, my kids are, uh, Jacob, Chloe, and Dawson.

01:04:25.420 --> 01:04:25.780
Okay.

01:04:26.269 --> 01:04:29.130
Um, One word description for Jacob.

01:04:29.389 --> 01:04:49.710
Oh my gosh Jacob's a man You know, uh, and, and, and when I, when I say that, um, for me, you know, what that means and Christie and I talk about this sometimes, um, being from the South and, and, and, and living in Colorado.

01:04:49.710 --> 01:04:57.039
And, and it is different, you know, when you grow up in different regions of the country, Midwest or whatever it is, you know, different things, you know?

01:04:57.039 --> 01:05:13.284
So when I say that for Jacob, you know, being a man is, um, is being, you know, um, polite, uh, you know, being there, um, you know, taking care of the people that are around him, um, being kind, being smart and trying to be the best person that he can be.

01:05:13.284 --> 01:05:14.844
He is married.

01:05:14.844 --> 01:05:15.364
Yeah.

01:05:15.364 --> 01:05:15.724
Yeah.

01:05:15.724 --> 01:05:16.594
Married Casey.

01:05:16.594 --> 01:05:17.824
They live here in town.

01:05:17.824 --> 01:05:19.394
So that's, uh, it's a great thing.

01:05:19.405 --> 01:05:25.559
She works, um, you know, You know, a lot of nonprofits and, uh, works with Loveland at one of the shelters.

01:05:25.559 --> 01:05:32.190
And again, one of those people out there that, um, you know, find some, uh, some meaning in their work and in important things out there.

01:05:32.190 --> 01:05:39.210
So yeah, they're kind of going after it and he's out there, you know, kind of, um, taking the lumps out there in the field and it's a whole lot easier standing.

01:05:39.655 --> 01:05:41.864
Uh, next to your son on those tough days.

01:05:41.925 --> 01:05:42.585
I bet it is.

01:05:42.824 --> 01:05:43.375
I bet it is.

01:05:43.795 --> 01:05:47.985
Um, what would he say about you, if I was, if you were strapped into this chair?

01:05:48.025 --> 01:05:57.175
Oh my gosh, you know, I, you know, it's, it's funny because it's a, you know, I feel like that's maybe a conversation that I would love to have with him.

01:05:57.394 --> 01:06:08.945
Yeah, you know, in each of my kids, you know, as you, you know, again, you, you hit different phases in your life, 50, you know, you really do start to reflect and you feel like you are kind of on the other side of whatever it is.

01:06:08.945 --> 01:06:15.385
And when it's Christie and I have vowed to go to 110, you know, after that, I'm not sure about the quality of life, but we're going to give it a shot.

01:06:15.405 --> 01:06:20.594
So we got a long way to go, but you know, I would, um, you know, I would love to hear that.

01:06:20.784 --> 01:06:22.934
You know, what, what the answer is to that.

01:06:23.684 --> 01:06:31.034
Well, he wouldn't be hanging around schlepping these projects with you guys if he didn't, uh, You know, Have quite a bit of appreciation, I think.

01:06:31.045 --> 01:06:32.695
Yeah, you know, I think so.

01:06:32.724 --> 01:06:40.719
And, um, I, um, I've, I've always, um, allowed my, my children to be accountable to the world.

01:06:41.190 --> 01:06:41.599
Right.

01:06:41.599 --> 01:06:49.059
So I've, I've done things to, to help them and, you know, or felt or tried, felt like, you know, this is my perception of what I did for them.

01:06:49.059 --> 01:06:53.159
What, you know, their views of, of their life is their own.

01:06:53.199 --> 01:06:53.539
Yeah.

01:06:53.539 --> 01:06:53.750
Yeah.

01:06:53.750 --> 01:06:56.079
You see every, everyone sees it different, you know?

01:06:56.389 --> 01:06:58.590
And how about, uh, Chloe is your.

01:06:58.820 --> 01:06:59.250
Yeah.

01:06:59.250 --> 01:07:00.190
Chloe's my daughter.

01:07:00.309 --> 01:07:01.699
And how old is Jacob now?

01:07:02.119 --> 01:07:02.539
Yes.

01:07:02.579 --> 01:07:03.309
Oh my gosh.

01:07:03.510 --> 01:07:08.940
Jacob has got to be, um, Oh my gosh, you're putting me on the spot here now.

01:07:08.940 --> 01:07:09.719
What year was he born?

01:07:09.730 --> 01:07:11.960
Yeah, he was born in 95.

01:07:12.039 --> 01:07:15.300
So he's, uh, You're doing the math for me on this one.

01:07:15.489 --> 01:07:16.489
So he's like 29?

01:07:16.489 --> 01:07:17.659
Yeah, 28.

01:07:17.659 --> 01:07:19.679
Yeah, I think he'll be 29 this Christmas.

01:07:19.699 --> 01:07:26.355
But, uh, you know, and, uh, Close born in 2000 and Dawson in 2001.

01:07:26.355 --> 01:07:40.514
And so it's, it's funny you say that because listen, if you ask me, you know, who the, who the band members are or my kids birthdays, you know, things like that, I forget those things sometimes, but you know, I was standing in line once with my kids, I will never forget it.

01:07:40.514 --> 01:07:44.614
I was signing them up for baseball and softball and all at the same time.

01:07:44.614 --> 01:07:44.844
Right.

01:07:44.844 --> 01:07:47.565
And they're there, there's a lot of commotion, their parents everywhere.

01:07:47.565 --> 01:07:49.594
You got to put their birthday, trying to get this.

01:07:49.980 --> 01:07:55.690
Great, great, crazy strategy of getting them on the best rec team, whatever in the world that is.

01:07:55.719 --> 01:07:59.840
And, you know, trying to, or just a good one that they can, is a good team for them.

01:08:00.400 --> 01:08:01.849
And I'm doing all that.

01:08:01.860 --> 01:08:10.289
And I did something and I leaned over to like my youngest son and I, or my oldest and asked about the youngest son's birthday or something.

01:08:10.289 --> 01:08:12.329
My daughter overheard, listen, they were no secret.

01:08:12.349 --> 01:08:17.510
She was like, Oh, dad doesn't even know Dawson's birthday, you know, and all of this.

01:08:17.590 --> 01:08:25.412
You know, so I'm, I'm terrible with that stuff, but hopefully they know that I love them regardless of whether or not I can cut off their ages.

01:08:25.412 --> 01:08:28.310
And I haven't, I meant to call her earlier and I haven't.

01:08:28.310 --> 01:08:29.930
Kurt, this is your chance, man.

01:08:30.289 --> 01:08:36.569
Donna, when you listen to this podcast episode, know that I was thinking about you several times today and I'll call you on the way home.

01:08:36.619 --> 01:08:37.159
Yeah.

01:08:37.220 --> 01:08:37.819
There you go.

01:08:37.909 --> 01:08:38.779
I love that.

01:08:38.810 --> 01:08:39.560
Happy birthday.

01:08:39.590 --> 01:08:40.909
Maybe we should call her right now.

01:08:40.909 --> 01:08:42.079
We could make a part of this cut.

01:08:42.079 --> 01:08:44.329
Now that seems like that would be all about me and Donna.

01:08:44.329 --> 01:08:45.109
That seems silly.

01:08:45.560 --> 01:08:47.420
Um, let's talk about, uh, Chloe.

01:08:47.659 --> 01:08:48.199
Chloe.

01:08:48.199 --> 01:08:48.649
Yes.

01:08:48.649 --> 01:08:50.385
So Chloe is, um, your one word.

01:08:51.385 --> 01:08:51.505
Hmm.

01:08:56.074 --> 01:09:03.704
I want it, I'm gonna say driven, and she's, she's, she's driven by her dreams, you know.

01:09:04.024 --> 01:09:06.715
We have a hyphen, so you can say, uh, dream driven.

01:09:06.774 --> 01:09:07.994
Yeah, yeah.

01:09:07.994 --> 01:09:12.765
Which means that she's got her, at least she's the apple of her father's eye, probably, because he's a little bit like that.

01:09:12.875 --> 01:09:22.814
Well, you know what, and, and, and not intentional, you know, Chloe was, um, incredible student always, um, you know, wanted to get 110, right?

01:09:22.814 --> 01:09:24.295
A hundred wasn't really, yeah.

01:09:24.295 --> 01:09:28.064
She, and she just, she loved that, loved, loved that piece of it and things like that.

01:09:28.064 --> 01:09:33.725
And so, you know, I kind of imagined her, you know, going on and also very calm under pressures.

01:09:33.994 --> 01:09:35.435
I'm like, this girl's incredible.

01:09:35.435 --> 01:09:39.114
She's going to go be a doctor or whatever it is that she's going to do.

01:09:39.114 --> 01:09:43.345
And, you know, she made this transition when we came here and, uh, and is.

01:09:43.439 --> 01:09:46.060
It's beautiful to see allowing your kids to kind of become who they are.

01:09:46.100 --> 01:09:51.949
We came to Colorado and I'm going to, to school here, which is very different from where we were going.

01:09:52.000 --> 01:09:55.369
She was going to school in Atlanta, which was very restrictive.

01:09:55.810 --> 01:10:02.850
Suddenly, you know, we're in a school that has a whole lot more resources than what, um, what were available in the state of Georgia.

01:10:03.380 --> 01:10:09.140
And I think Colorado and, um, and all kinds of programs and Shaw kids being able to be who they are.

01:10:09.609 --> 01:10:15.475
And, um, so she just, She's realized that, you know, she also has this incredible creative side to her.

01:10:15.875 --> 01:10:25.095
So she's gone out and, um, is, uh, is an artist and, um, does these incredible, you know, prints, uh, these reverse kind of carvings.

01:10:25.095 --> 01:10:37.015
I'm, I'm, I don't even know how to, how to describe it properly, but really beautiful and, and music and she's releasing, um, she's got a couple albums that are going to be coming out and acoustic and a full band here in town.

01:10:37.015 --> 01:10:38.645
And she works at different.

01:10:38.850 --> 01:10:40.710
Really cool cafe, coffee shops.

01:10:40.720 --> 01:10:42.260
Well, she works at time.

01:10:42.270 --> 01:10:43.380
Like I see her there.

01:10:43.390 --> 01:10:44.600
She's at silver grill.

01:10:44.649 --> 01:10:44.729
Yeah.

01:10:45.159 --> 01:10:46.079
She's a girl for a while.

01:10:46.449 --> 01:10:48.640
She's a, she's a favorite at silver grill.

01:10:48.640 --> 01:10:48.899
Yeah.

01:10:48.899 --> 01:10:49.710
She really does.

01:10:49.920 --> 01:10:51.449
She was at a different place before that too.

01:10:51.520 --> 01:10:52.409
She Lima coffee.

01:10:52.430 --> 01:10:54.149
Uh, she's, she's bounced around.

01:10:54.170 --> 01:11:04.864
She, she was over at, um, Um, uh, and ginger baker for a while and she got a, uh, a pastry degree and, um, a certificate and things like that.

01:11:04.895 --> 01:11:06.595
And well, that's what an artist does.

01:11:06.604 --> 01:11:16.354
Like she's exploring, like, I love that, you know, she's about to take off and she's getting ready to go to France for three months and she's doing an acting program there for, for three months.

01:11:16.354 --> 01:11:18.524
But you know, the, the driven piece of it.

01:11:18.524 --> 01:11:33.055
You know, with Chloe and it goes back, it's ironic that she's going to, uh, to, um, Paris, but we, uh, we did a trip to France and we're very fortunate enough, um, to have some great, uh, grandparents that took us along and, and on this trip.

01:11:33.055 --> 01:11:37.944
And we were there and we were at the Eiffel tower and we were so tired.

01:11:37.984 --> 01:11:44.034
We were, so this was like the very, she was probably 10, 11, something like that.

01:11:44.595 --> 01:11:47.020
And we were exhausted and everyone had already slept.

01:11:47.029 --> 01:11:52.250
started, you know, all the Parisians are on the lawn with their line, their wine and their joints.

01:11:52.250 --> 01:11:57.430
And they're waiting for the sunset and the, the tower to light up and all of that.

01:11:57.460 --> 01:12:00.409
And, um, we're like, look, let's just sit.

01:12:00.460 --> 01:12:02.819
And everybody was just fine sitting.

01:12:02.819 --> 01:12:07.409
And she was like, she stood in front of us and said, listen, there is no way.

01:12:07.555 --> 01:12:09.404
That's the Eiffel Tower.

01:12:09.574 --> 01:12:11.225
We are, we are in Paris.

01:12:11.244 --> 01:12:11.814
We're here.

01:12:11.814 --> 01:12:13.204
We're going, get up.

01:12:13.244 --> 01:12:14.454
We're going to the top.

01:12:14.904 --> 01:12:20.064
And at that point I was like, okay, I knew then she's going to be fine.

01:12:20.074 --> 01:12:22.635
She's going to go and yeah, and make her way.

01:12:22.635 --> 01:12:25.345
And, and, um, it'll probably be a pretty special journey.

01:12:25.454 --> 01:12:25.824
Yeah.

01:12:25.824 --> 01:12:26.194
Yeah.

01:12:26.234 --> 01:12:29.734
And, um, and just a happy person along, along the way.

01:12:29.864 --> 01:12:35.649
Well, and, uh, Dawson, uh, I've had the opportunity to Seeing him, you know, become a man.

01:12:35.659 --> 01:12:36.220
Yeah.

01:12:36.220 --> 01:12:36.699
Yeah.

01:12:36.770 --> 01:12:45.069
And if that's not your one word and Dawson, you know, um, you know, it's so funny because, you know, you know, it's great.

01:12:45.100 --> 01:12:51.850
I feel this, this beautiful connection with all my kids and I can see a reflection of myself and them and, and different things.

01:12:51.850 --> 01:13:00.689
And, uh, Dawson just kind of looked like me, you know, and, and very much has a lot of my, my personality and, um, and things like that.

01:13:00.720 --> 01:13:03.770
And, um, let's see one word for Dawson.

01:13:05.265 --> 01:13:06.215
Oh, man.

01:13:06.704 --> 01:13:08.784
Um, heart.

01:13:09.305 --> 01:13:10.965
He, the boy leads with his heart.

01:13:10.975 --> 01:13:11.345
I like it.

01:13:11.395 --> 01:13:13.064
Uh, which is, which is great.

01:13:13.104 --> 01:13:14.885
And dangerous too sometimes.

01:13:14.954 --> 01:13:17.204
Very dangerous, very dangerous.

01:13:17.234 --> 01:13:23.925
And, um, of all my children, Dawson has the most wounds, if you will, from life.

01:13:23.994 --> 01:13:31.524
And, um, and those, most of them I saw coming Uh, uh, right.

01:13:31.524 --> 01:13:32.314
You had to let him figure it out.

01:13:32.375 --> 01:13:35.645
Hey, listen, he's not gonna listen to me anyway, man.

01:13:35.715 --> 01:13:37.395
Um, you know, there was no one.

01:13:38.265 --> 01:13:39.805
But then you can't say I told you so.

01:13:40.194 --> 01:13:44.725
Well, it doesn't mean, listen, it doesn't mean that I don't say something.

01:13:44.904 --> 01:13:45.055
Right, right.

01:13:45.055 --> 01:13:52.284
Um, you know, and um, for any young parents out there, you know, you gotta have some street cred with your kids.

01:13:52.595 --> 01:14:09.875
You know, and, um, you don't get that by, um, by just making up some stuff or talking to them about something that they don't know, um, talk to them about something that applies to their world that they will see happen in there or be a part of their, their world, but then sometime within the next six months, right?

01:14:09.875 --> 01:14:09.925
Yeah.

01:14:09.925 --> 01:14:10.255
Yeah.

01:14:10.265 --> 01:14:13.645
Cause now all of a sudden you see the future, right?

01:14:13.645 --> 01:14:14.685
And things like that.

01:14:14.715 --> 01:14:18.595
So, so really with, with Dawson, the best thing that I could do.

01:14:19.135 --> 01:14:21.564
And, and I did this with all my children as well.

01:14:21.585 --> 01:14:25.585
It's just kind of say, Hey, this is kind of what I see coming down the road, man.

01:14:25.664 --> 01:14:26.524
Where are you headed?

01:14:26.895 --> 01:14:32.104
Because the reality is, um, we all have our own mind at our own age.

01:14:32.104 --> 01:14:47.675
We're controlled by, by different things throughout our life, but we're all independent thinkers and, um, you have to respect that individuals and let them be who they are, um, whether it hurts them or, um, leads them to a place of happiness, you know, and you try and guide them.

01:14:48.114 --> 01:14:56.795
And hopefully learn from, you know, I, I tell them about all my screw ups and that's about, Hey, listen, that's really, that's all I have.

01:14:57.255 --> 01:14:59.364
I can tell you about all this stuff I screwed up.

01:14:59.784 --> 01:15:07.215
You've seen what has worked, you know, most of the screw ups you probably don't know about, you know, fair enough.

01:15:07.760 --> 01:15:09.550
Oh, let's, can we talk more about Christy?

01:15:09.960 --> 01:15:10.710
Oh my God.

01:15:10.729 --> 01:15:11.869
How did you guys connect?

01:15:11.899 --> 01:15:12.779
Was it a match.

01:15:13.029 --> 01:15:15.569
com or, uh, Christy is, thanks Zoosk.

01:15:16.470 --> 01:15:16.600
Zoosk?

01:15:16.600 --> 01:15:16.970
Yeah.

01:15:16.970 --> 01:15:17.260
Yeah.

01:15:17.260 --> 01:15:18.699
We la, we laugh about that.

01:15:18.699 --> 01:15:19.420
What is Zoosk?

01:15:19.680 --> 01:15:20.140
I've never heard of it.

01:15:20.140 --> 01:15:21.520
Is it, is it a dating app?

01:15:21.520 --> 01:15:31.750
Zoosk, Zoosk is the app that you end up on when you've kind of gone through all the others and you're like, oh my God, please just let there be a person for me out there somewhere.

01:15:32.170 --> 01:15:37.439
And I gotten on there and, um, listen to all you ladies out there on road construction.

01:15:37.449 --> 01:15:38.619
I appreciate it.

01:15:38.649 --> 01:15:41.460
And I'm glad you're out there holding those signs and stuff like that.

01:15:41.460 --> 01:15:46.670
But I had a lot of road workers hitting me up and stuff like that and some crazy things.

01:15:46.670 --> 01:15:49.020
And that's just not who I am.

01:15:49.020 --> 01:15:57.520
You know, I'm a very forward person when it comes to, you know, talking about fun stuff or, or getting, you know, business and things like that.

01:15:57.779 --> 01:16:07.229
You know, when it came to, to love, I'm, I'm very reserved and very shy and, um, you know, and yeah, yeah, well, you're a pretty handsome guy.

01:16:07.300 --> 01:16:07.960
I hate to say it.

01:16:07.989 --> 01:16:10.369
Listen, you're kind of intimidating that way.

01:16:10.369 --> 01:16:12.760
I'm younger than you, but you're definitely more handsome.

01:16:13.380 --> 01:16:19.380
That's probably just enough to draw someone towards me and me not know what to say.

01:16:19.380 --> 01:16:25.649
You know, it's kind of like when you and I first started this interview, suddenly I did not know, um, what it was that I did for a living.

01:16:27.005 --> 01:16:31.564
As strange as that is, you know, I mean, and you're not even that cute, you know, no, I'm kidding, Jill.

01:16:31.564 --> 01:16:32.845
He's a good, he's a good looking man.

01:16:32.845 --> 01:16:33.625
You did good, Jill.

01:16:34.095 --> 01:16:35.295
She punched him over weight limit.

01:16:36.185 --> 01:16:37.034
No, not really.

01:16:38.274 --> 01:16:40.024
She was looking for the bank or the sugar daddy.

01:16:40.204 --> 01:16:40.524
Right.

01:16:41.975 --> 01:16:42.614
She lost that.

01:16:42.645 --> 01:16:43.204
Yeah, yeah.

01:16:43.234 --> 01:16:45.694
Listen, we all have tough life lessons we learned.

01:16:45.725 --> 01:16:46.614
Yeah, for sure.

01:16:46.614 --> 01:16:48.404
Well, I wouldn't be here if I hadn't been there.

01:16:48.414 --> 01:16:48.784
Yeah.

01:16:49.159 --> 01:16:56.609
But, um, no, you know, Christy, um, we were both, um, kind of, you know, thank, thankfully for me.

01:16:56.640 --> 01:17:00.199
Looking recent wounds from divorce, basically, or is that not true?

01:17:00.310 --> 01:17:15.250
Well, no, that was really me, and I was really kind of, um, recent through the healing of it all, you know, and, um, you know, my divorce took quite a while, and I, I went through all the crazy, um, Emotions that are involved with fights over the kids and different things.

01:17:15.430 --> 01:17:17.770
Oh, all, all, all this stuff, all this stuff.

01:17:17.840 --> 01:17:20.029
And, um, you know, had really just.

01:17:20.090 --> 01:17:26.949
And somehow in that, you know, had realized that I need, you know, I'm okay.

01:17:27.109 --> 01:17:28.239
I'm a good person.

01:17:28.359 --> 01:17:30.699
I'm doing the very best I can every day.

01:17:31.159 --> 01:17:35.489
And once I did that, that was kind of a game changer for me because we all screw up.

01:17:35.500 --> 01:17:36.750
We all come a little short.

01:17:37.050 --> 01:17:40.920
You know, you can, anyone can look back at the end of the day and say, you know what?

01:17:40.920 --> 01:17:41.689
I could have done better.

01:17:41.689 --> 01:17:44.989
Being self critical is like the most, It's a damaging thing.

01:17:45.000 --> 01:17:45.460
Yeah.

01:17:45.460 --> 01:17:45.829
Yeah.

01:17:45.829 --> 01:17:52.090
And, and listen, and I do that same thing and it's, it's, it's, it's a tough struggle, you know, at different times.

01:17:52.090 --> 01:17:58.319
And, um, but we, you know, we had both kind of gone through the, the, the whole thing Christy had done.

01:17:58.319 --> 01:18:13.890
Who was it on her in the, uh, uh, you said it was lady construction workers that were your, uh, you know, well, well, well, and, and, and she'll tell you and Christy, you know, she had been done with her divorce for much longer and had gone through, um, uh, and she was a single mom for a.

01:18:13.965 --> 01:18:14.625
It's been quite a while.

01:18:14.625 --> 01:18:15.194
Oh, yeah.

01:18:15.215 --> 01:18:15.484
Yeah.

01:18:15.484 --> 01:18:22.555
And she had her hands full and really remarkable and, um, all, all the single moms that are out there, um, really getting it done.

01:18:22.564 --> 01:18:25.954
It's like everyone, it's, it's, it's an incredible feat.

01:18:25.975 --> 01:18:37.444
You know, women weren't meant and families weren't meant to just have one or two adults, you know, you, you shouldn't be outnumbered by your kids, you know, but, um, but not that degree.

01:18:37.454 --> 01:18:37.765
Yeah.

01:18:37.765 --> 01:18:38.359
Yeah.

01:18:38.560 --> 01:18:39.729
It's still 8 2.

01:18:39.739 --> 01:18:42.439
Yeah, they got us, but we got it figured out now, though.

01:18:42.859 --> 01:18:43.800
But it takes a long time.

01:18:43.800 --> 01:18:45.689
But it'd be a whole lot, uh, you know.

01:18:47.199 --> 01:18:48.989
Families should gather around one another, you know.

01:18:49.060 --> 01:18:50.560
It's something that we don't do enough.

01:18:50.560 --> 01:18:53.710
And we can talk about that kind of in the next piece of it, too.

01:18:54.010 --> 01:18:55.890
So was it love at first sight for you?

01:18:56.130 --> 01:18:56.159
Yes.

01:18:56.409 --> 01:18:57.859
For her, more?

01:18:57.859 --> 01:18:59.039
No, no.

01:18:59.039 --> 01:19:00.449
She took a little pursuing.

01:19:01.385 --> 01:19:03.414
It doesn't, it doesn't even sound real.

01:19:03.414 --> 01:19:13.005
It probably, um, does sound like a fairy tale, but you know, we both, I had literally decided that, um, I was going to try one more.

01:19:13.005 --> 01:19:14.842
I saw, I saw her picture.

01:19:14.842 --> 01:19:15.814
Oh my gosh.

01:19:15.814 --> 01:19:17.965
Her, her smile was so damn cute, man.

01:19:17.965 --> 01:19:24.805
I, and I, I just couldn't, I kept going back and looking at her picture over again, I'm like, you know, that's a good human being right there.

01:19:24.805 --> 01:19:27.574
And, um, I think her, Oh, you'd sworn off it.

01:19:27.744 --> 01:19:29.414
Yeah, I was, well, I was at my end.

01:19:29.494 --> 01:19:30.505
I was like, I was like.

01:19:30.574 --> 01:19:35.545
I was, I was literally getting ready to, to cancel my, my 12.

01:19:35.585 --> 01:19:38.614
I was like, listen, you've got my, the last 12 bucks you're getting from me.

01:19:39.015 --> 01:19:40.555
And you were just going to be single for a while.

01:19:40.664 --> 01:19:42.125
Uh, yeah, it wasn't.

01:19:42.375 --> 01:19:49.444
Well, you know, and again, you know, if you're able to be happy alone and happy with who you are at a person as a person and you'd gotten there.

01:19:49.465 --> 01:19:49.744
Yeah.

01:19:49.744 --> 01:19:51.965
And, and that makes you a lot more attractive.

01:19:52.194 --> 01:20:00.244
Uh, and for, to me, a woman that knows that she can take care of her darn self well and listen, is super attractive too.

01:20:00.335 --> 01:20:02.310
And, and we were, and we were both looking for that.

01:20:02.310 --> 01:20:03.215
Wants me, doesn't need me.

01:20:03.335 --> 01:20:03.725
Yeah.

01:20:03.729 --> 01:20:04.534
Yeah, exactly.

01:20:04.539 --> 01:20:05.944
And that's exactly what it was.

01:20:05.949 --> 01:20:14.975
You know, Christy had a, a very different path and what I'd had, but had done a lot of the, the same work and really come to the place where, you know, she was happy with who she was.

01:20:14.979 --> 01:20:15.069
Yeah.

01:20:15.069 --> 01:20:15.189
Yeah.

01:20:15.614 --> 01:20:22.335
You know, but also like me, you know, as a romantic and believe that, you know, that love should be something that should be shared.

01:20:22.375 --> 01:20:23.975
And, um, yeah, that's it.

01:20:24.034 --> 01:20:25.305
That's exactly what happened.

01:20:25.814 --> 01:20:26.225
That's cool.

01:20:26.265 --> 01:20:31.114
And, um, you know, we, we talked for about a month and, um, we met at a dog park.

01:20:31.524 --> 01:20:33.284
And um, Oh yeah, cause you were up in Fort Collins.

01:20:33.295 --> 01:20:34.255
She was down in Denver.

01:20:34.274 --> 01:20:34.755
Yeah.

01:20:34.795 --> 01:20:35.064
Yeah.

01:20:35.064 --> 01:20:40.185
We met at a place close to her and she brought Charlotte along, my, which is my baby dog now.

01:20:40.564 --> 01:20:45.234
And, um, I, I told her about my little dog, Katie, and you know, a little bit about Katie.

01:20:45.234 --> 01:20:45.600
Sure, sure.

01:20:45.750 --> 01:20:50.000
Katie was a bitch, literally and figuratively.

01:20:50.279 --> 01:20:52.760
No, I didn't because Katie was a little runner.

01:20:52.779 --> 01:21:01.840
She was a little, um, she was a wonderful little dog, but if she knew that I was uncomfortable and wanted to leave, she absolutely would not let me catch her.

01:21:01.840 --> 01:21:05.449
So I showed up for a date at the dog park without my dog.

01:21:05.880 --> 01:21:07.130
Um, so, you know, so I'm sick.

01:21:07.899 --> 01:21:20.699
I'm on my tailgate and I'm like, okay, I'm kind of got my plan for what I'm going to say about my dog, not being there and stuff like that, which was, I was just going to tell her the truth, you know, which I thought was funny as I was driving down a little more.

01:21:21.130 --> 01:21:30.119
And, um, you know, she drove by and I remember sitting on the tailgate and watching her look at me when she drove by and I started smiling.

01:21:31.774 --> 01:21:44.914
She parked her car and never broke eye contact with me and opened her door and ran like 25 yards to me and met me in the middle of the road.

01:21:44.925 --> 01:21:45.125
Oh, right.

01:21:45.175 --> 01:21:46.664
Cause you've been talking on the phone for a month.

01:21:46.685 --> 01:21:50.654
We've been talking for about a month and just laid this kiss on me.

01:21:50.654 --> 01:21:57.255
And, you know, um, at that moment it was, it was on in our first date lasted seven hours.

01:21:57.895 --> 01:22:01.164
And, uh, yeah, we, our forearms were sunburned and.

01:22:01.935 --> 01:22:02.414
Yeah.

01:22:02.704 --> 01:22:04.774
And Charlotte was, that's not like a sexual in you.

01:22:04.774 --> 01:22:06.685
I know this was, cause you were hanging on the door, you know?

01:22:06.694 --> 01:22:09.375
Well, we, we, we're in the dog park for seven hours.

01:22:10.164 --> 01:22:15.984
Well, yeah, we, well, we were talking to someone today about that and they're like, Oh my God, you held hands on the first date.

01:22:15.984 --> 01:22:17.744
I'm like, well, listen, it was seven hours long.

01:22:17.755 --> 01:22:25.564
That's, you know, most dates are a couple hours, you know, at most first dates can be 15 minutes, an hour, you know, something like that.

01:22:25.604 --> 01:22:28.345
And, um, but we just knew right away.

01:22:28.425 --> 01:22:29.564
Um, Yeah.

01:22:29.614 --> 01:22:34.635
And the more we talked, and the more we laughed, and the more we loved, you know.

01:22:35.604 --> 01:22:40.965
And a few months, uh, later, then she take a big leap and moved to Fort Collins?

01:22:40.965 --> 01:22:41.704
Or was it, how long?

01:22:41.715 --> 01:22:49.585
Listen, you know, bless her heart and, you know, she, she has trusted me and, and believed in me, uh, and as a person.

01:22:49.715 --> 01:22:58.229
Um, From the very beginning, you know, um, the reality of what my world was at that, at that time and, and things like that.

01:22:58.270 --> 01:23:01.189
Um, you were like living in a van down by the river, not quite.

01:23:01.279 --> 01:23:03.430
Yeah, not, not quite there, not quite there.

01:23:04.850 --> 01:23:08.270
You know, there was a very short period I didn't have a place to live.

01:23:09.015 --> 01:23:11.835
For about two weeks, three weeks or something like that.

01:23:11.914 --> 01:23:12.675
No big deal though.

01:23:12.675 --> 01:23:13.034
Really?

01:23:13.034 --> 01:23:14.914
I mean, I figured it out.

01:23:14.944 --> 01:23:16.085
Yeah, I figured it out.

01:23:16.125 --> 01:23:20.234
And, um, but you know, um, but she wasn't marrying you for security.

01:23:20.614 --> 01:23:21.744
No, no.

01:23:21.744 --> 01:23:29.569
She, she, she had all this history of traveling around the country and doing different projects and you know, somehow, you know, it difficult.

01:23:29.569 --> 01:23:37.210
And, you know, and, and there's a lot, a lot, a lot of other things that can come at people in life and, and different things that I had going on at a bunch of different levels.

01:23:37.210 --> 01:23:42.770
So, you know, I, I, I had been wounded and hurt and, and struggled in a lot of different ways.

01:23:42.770 --> 01:24:03.765
And, um, you know, Christie and I came together in a, in a, in a place, you know, and, and she, what she did know about my world, um, And then the way that she saw me, um, gave her the confidence to believe in me, which is very much the same way that guys kept paying me when I really wasn't that good of a carpenter.

01:24:03.765 --> 01:24:08.984
They believed that I was, well, but you could be, and they believed in me, right.

01:24:08.984 --> 01:24:15.625
As a person, no matter what, I know this person's going to give me the best that they can, whatever that is.

01:24:15.685 --> 01:24:17.715
Well, and that's why you can Excel as the person.

01:24:17.835 --> 01:24:20.984
Project manager the general manager of this project, right?

01:24:20.984 --> 01:24:26.805
You don't have to be the perfectionist on the job You just have to see it perfection when you see it.

01:24:26.864 --> 01:24:27.295
Yeah.

01:24:27.295 --> 01:24:30.685
Yeah, but you probably got good at it, too Like I know your work.

01:24:30.795 --> 01:24:34.685
I've seen your work in the meantime even around your home like it's beautiful.

01:24:35.354 --> 01:24:44.234
I appreciate that well, and it's and You just, again, it's one of those things, Kurt, so many of those things I've never done before.

01:24:44.725 --> 01:24:49.454
Um, but you just, you kind of know what it's supposed to look like when it's done.

01:24:49.524 --> 01:24:50.114
One of these days.

01:24:50.475 --> 01:24:53.664
And to sit and stop and to just take a moment to think about it.

01:24:53.664 --> 01:24:54.064
Right.

01:24:54.095 --> 01:25:05.185
And to think and to look at something and then listen, whether we're talking about a piece of wood or a relationship, you stop and you look at it and you look at what's around it.

01:25:05.375 --> 01:25:07.114
What are all the things that are around this?

01:25:07.350 --> 01:25:10.020
This one little corner where these two pieces of wood come together.

01:25:10.050 --> 01:25:10.350
Yeah, yeah.

01:25:10.689 --> 01:25:12.630
Where is the eye moving to?

01:25:12.630 --> 01:25:13.600
What are they going to see?

01:25:13.600 --> 01:25:14.899
What else is around there?

01:25:14.920 --> 01:25:17.880
What's the best way if you are going to have a flaw?

01:25:17.909 --> 01:25:19.560
Because everything's flawed.

01:25:19.670 --> 01:25:19.939
Sure.

01:25:19.949 --> 01:25:20.439
Somewhere.

01:25:20.449 --> 01:25:20.789
Yeah, yeah.

01:25:20.789 --> 01:25:21.739
So there's going to be a flaw.

01:25:21.739 --> 01:25:23.039
So where are you going to put your flaw?

01:25:23.630 --> 01:25:25.659
Well, it's been a beautiful collision for you guys.

01:25:25.949 --> 01:25:26.800
In my mind.

01:25:27.079 --> 01:25:28.760
For you and Christy and all these.

01:25:29.314 --> 01:25:38.324
You know, teenagers plus, uh, you know, early adults, we, we still, we still go through and are still evolving.

01:25:38.324 --> 01:25:42.375
And of course, now we're in this next phase of life and, and things like that.

01:25:42.385 --> 01:25:53.694
And, um, as we're looking at our kids are all, you know, going out and doing their own things, but, um, you know, the, The incredible thing, you know, about her is it's just, we talk about it all the time.

01:25:53.694 --> 01:25:54.515
It's easy.

01:25:54.824 --> 01:25:55.074
Yeah.

01:25:55.175 --> 01:26:04.164
It's just easy, you know, and it's easy because we were, we were honest with ourselves first and then been honest with one another.

01:26:04.475 --> 01:26:07.524
And we play and we play and we play.

01:26:07.534 --> 01:26:09.475
You can't let play overtake work.

01:26:09.475 --> 01:26:13.984
You know, you play hard, work harder, relax better.

01:26:14.034 --> 01:26:14.154
Yeah.

01:26:14.154 --> 01:26:14.425
Yeah.

01:26:15.225 --> 01:26:15.715
I like it.

01:26:16.175 --> 01:26:19.795
Um, Let's see, faith or politics?

01:26:19.845 --> 01:26:22.625
I guess you said I should pick the order, so let's talk about faith.

01:26:23.164 --> 01:26:29.024
Um, I think I remember you said you came from a kind of semi Catholic background?

01:26:29.024 --> 01:26:29.795
Is that you or is that Christy?

01:26:29.795 --> 01:26:32.204
Yeah, no, no, that was me.

01:26:32.664 --> 01:26:32.975
Okay.

01:26:33.055 --> 01:26:33.810
That was me, so.

01:26:33.810 --> 01:26:37.805
We haven't talked about faith too much in our, you know, neighborly, neighbor fence relationship.

01:26:37.805 --> 01:26:39.534
No, no, we haven't, yeah.

01:26:39.625 --> 01:26:41.494
Uh, haven't really talked about it too much.

01:26:42.375 --> 01:26:45.130
Yeah, you know, I grew up my, uh, Yeah.

01:26:45.289 --> 01:26:54.649
grandparents, very, very Catholic, um, you know, um, um, Italian and French from New Orleans.

01:26:55.199 --> 01:26:57.739
Um, uh, a lot of that.

01:26:57.770 --> 01:27:08.475
And, um, it was, it was always important, you know, um, being able to, um, you know, all the big markers as far as like, Yeah.

01:27:08.475 --> 01:27:08.914
Yeah.

01:27:08.965 --> 01:27:21.234
The catechism and all the different things that everybody showed up, like every part of the family tree showed up for the baptism of the babies and whatever we were, we were all, we were all baptized and, you know, and different things.

01:27:21.244 --> 01:27:32.564
So I had some of that and, you know, we did my, you know, again, I had, I had a teenage mother and, um, you know, kind of a Baptist, like you were Catholics in Baptist territory or was there.

01:27:33.659 --> 01:27:35.800
Yeah, well, you know, man, there's Catholics everywhere.

01:27:35.810 --> 01:27:49.800
Well, listen, you're, you're in the Bible belt and, and, you know, when you're, when you're in Atlanta, there's a lot of Baptists, uh, around for sure, you know, and, um, But there's still diversity, there's Methodists down there and different things, uh, Presbyterians.

01:27:49.810 --> 01:28:01.689
George, George's, uh, It's a melting pot, you know, in, in reality, you know, and it's kind of off the radar and, you know, kind of where it is, you know, people have these stereotypes associated with it.

01:28:01.750 --> 01:28:05.359
I feel like the Baptists have dominant, have dominant position, but it's not like that.

01:28:05.720 --> 01:28:06.989
No, no, no, no.

01:28:06.989 --> 01:28:07.500
There's a little bit.

01:28:07.649 --> 01:28:09.170
I've never spent any time down there, which I'm inclined to.

01:28:09.520 --> 01:28:09.789
Yeah.

01:28:09.789 --> 01:28:11.189
declaring with my commentary right now.

01:28:11.210 --> 01:28:11.569
Yeah.

01:28:11.619 --> 01:28:11.880
Yeah.

01:28:11.880 --> 01:28:27.265
There's a, there's a little bit of everything going on, but you know, I was, I was exposed to, um, you know, the Catholic faith and, and that's what he had and, you know, the, uh, the kids that went to the, the Baptist church, you know, that had the huge camps and all this stuff and, you know, and, and, uh.

01:28:27.345 --> 01:28:29.274
Cause you're in public school with these other kids.

01:28:29.295 --> 01:28:30.225
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:28:30.225 --> 01:28:36.585
You know, so that was, you know, they're having all the great, great, you know, summer parties and all the great things and stuff like that.

01:28:36.585 --> 01:28:44.194
And here I am, you know, 45 minutes of kneeling and standing and praying and all this stuff and it's not funny, but it is, oh no, no, it is.

01:28:44.204 --> 01:28:45.795
It is recognized early.

01:28:46.034 --> 01:28:48.975
Yeah, it looks like the fun church over there.

01:28:48.984 --> 01:28:49.545
Yeah.

01:28:49.604 --> 01:28:57.550
And, um, but you know, um, It, you know, most of the time it seems like, you know, there was an Irish priest.

01:28:57.560 --> 01:29:02.909
So their, their accents, you know, a lot of times, um, we're just entertaining to me.

01:29:02.909 --> 01:29:06.689
So, you know, I, I, I did it, I went through it.

01:29:06.689 --> 01:29:08.649
I do remember a, um, a moment.

01:29:08.699 --> 01:29:21.789
I will never forget it standing in the living room and me and my little sister, it's probably me leading my little sister because she, she, she's got a very strong religious faith, but I was standing there and saying, Hey, we're not so sure about God.

01:29:22.840 --> 01:29:25.779
And my mom just thinking, Oh, what, what have I done?

01:29:25.779 --> 01:29:27.069
You know, here I am now.

01:29:27.069 --> 01:29:30.300
I've, I've, I've failed at God, you know, and all this stuff.

01:29:30.300 --> 01:29:34.020
And really we were just kind of searching and looking for answers and things like that.

01:29:34.039 --> 01:29:36.239
And, um, well, she found hers.

01:29:36.720 --> 01:29:37.050
Yeah.

01:29:37.050 --> 01:29:37.949
What do you do with God?

01:29:38.000 --> 01:29:38.390
Yeah.

01:29:38.390 --> 01:29:41.869
And, and, and, and, and my mom, you know, and, and she had her faith.

01:29:41.869 --> 01:29:45.430
And my sister kind of Followed very much kind of what she did.

01:29:45.449 --> 01:29:58.050
And, um, for me, you know, I, I had, I had, you know, kind of the, the structure of the, the Catholic religion, you know, that was there and just never really resonated with me.

01:29:58.159 --> 01:30:08.119
Um, it wasn't, um, It was never, um, you know, a question of truly whether or not there was a God or, or, or things like that.

01:30:08.439 --> 01:30:11.220
It was just, is this religion, right?

01:30:11.220 --> 01:30:13.140
Is this what I'm interested in, you know?

01:30:13.140 --> 01:30:20.829
And, and I did come from, you know, early on, you know, this, this kind of, uh, hippie kind of, of background and things like that.

01:30:20.829 --> 01:30:21.100
Yeah.

01:30:21.140 --> 01:30:21.710
Okay.

01:30:21.750 --> 01:30:22.050
Yeah.

01:30:22.050 --> 01:30:32.704
So, you know, it's So they were already Like what was your parents like, you know, my mom went, even when we were young, I do remember going to church as a, as a young boy.

01:30:32.715 --> 01:30:36.625
But the best thing I remember is after church, I got to go ice skating.

01:30:36.625 --> 01:30:38.925
So we would go to the Omni in Atlanta and go ice skating.

01:30:38.925 --> 01:30:40.935
So I don't really know what happened at church.

01:30:41.395 --> 01:30:50.875
Um, but I remember, I remember spending those afternoons with my mom and watching her smile why I skated just as fast as I could.

01:30:51.314 --> 01:31:10.274
And, um, You know, take that, that full circle, you know, years later, really, um, no, no dedication to religion or a church or anything like that, you know, kind of a wild boy, um, running out and doing my thing and then, you know, having my own family.

01:31:10.274 --> 01:31:12.574
And then now it's kind of taking care of those things.

01:31:12.574 --> 01:31:21.010
And, um, even that, you know, uh, you know, my wife at the time, you know, church wasn't a thing for her family.

01:31:21.449 --> 01:31:28.260
They were very, you know, um, from the other side of, you know, of that, it was never any religious influence there.

01:31:28.260 --> 01:31:42.130
So it never really was, was part of our world until a time when, um, When really we were kind of embarking on our divorce, um, you know, had had some, some really difficult things happen.

01:31:42.569 --> 01:31:52.310
Um, you know, personally as well, you know, with my wife and mother and grandparents and all these different things and just the world, you know, come, come, can come down on you at different times.

01:31:52.310 --> 01:32:02.350
And, uh, and so this happens and right about the time as this is all starting to happen, I've got a very good friend of mine, a good friend of mine, Jason Fowler.

01:32:02.550 --> 01:32:07.560
And, um, he reached out to me and you should, you should check him out as well.

01:32:07.569 --> 01:32:10.840
He's a, uh, Christian musician and incredible.

01:32:11.000 --> 01:32:12.229
I know a guy named Jason Fowler.

01:32:12.229 --> 01:32:17.029
Jill and I went to our first date at his wedding, but I'm guessing it's a different Jason Fowler, different guy.

01:32:17.029 --> 01:32:17.590
I'm sure.

01:32:17.590 --> 01:32:20.710
And, and, and an amazing story in his own right.

01:32:20.760 --> 01:32:23.460
Um, it wasn't really our first date, but kind of almost anyway.

01:32:23.789 --> 01:32:24.119
Yeah.

01:32:24.159 --> 01:32:24.479
Yeah.

01:32:24.510 --> 01:32:27.850
Beautiful, beautiful human being, but, um, love him to death.

01:32:27.850 --> 01:32:28.289
Love him.

01:32:28.329 --> 01:32:39.430
One of those people you meet and he's a brother just instantly, you know, and, um, he calls me and he says, Hey, Chris, you know, getting ready to, um, launch this, you know, new church.

01:32:39.500 --> 01:32:43.770
And, um, Um, you know, I'm going to be the music director or whatever.

01:32:43.770 --> 01:32:50.479
And, um, we've got, this guy is going to come and speak and it's going to be at this theater and little five points and little five points.

01:32:50.520 --> 01:33:02.090
Um, when, you know, my parents were, were teenagers, it was where all the hippies were when I was a teenager, it's where all the skinheads and the punk rock people were and stuff like that.

01:33:02.090 --> 01:33:03.739
So very edgy part of town.

01:33:03.750 --> 01:33:04.079
Okay.

01:33:04.300 --> 01:33:04.925
Um, yeah.

01:33:05.204 --> 01:33:08.925
So he tells me that he's going to go and he's going to, you know, launch this church.

01:33:09.475 --> 01:33:09.774
Yeah.

01:33:09.774 --> 01:33:10.994
Right there in this theater.

01:33:11.015 --> 01:33:15.015
And it's a theater that's, you know, can, can some, you know, have some rowdy parties.

01:33:15.015 --> 01:33:25.324
It's got a bar and a coffee shop out in front, but it's going to be in this theater and in the heart of, um, you know, and I remember telling my wife as Atlanta, this is in Atlanta.

01:33:25.375 --> 01:33:25.465
Yeah.

01:33:25.645 --> 01:33:26.925
A little five points in Atlanta.

01:33:26.944 --> 01:33:30.085
And, uh, tell my wife, Hey, Jason just called.

01:33:30.114 --> 01:33:38.270
Um, You know, I don't really know, but I mean, he said he's going to play some Pearl Jam at church and they're going to be doing church and little five points.

01:33:38.270 --> 01:33:49.670
And we went and we, we went and, uh, it was my family and the pastor that was speaking and his family and, uh, maybe, maybe a couple other people.

01:33:49.670 --> 01:33:52.800
And the next weekend I looked at my wife and I was like.

01:33:53.475 --> 01:33:53.944
Damn.

01:33:54.534 --> 01:33:56.784
I mean, Jason, I love him to death.

01:33:56.795 --> 01:33:57.505
We got to go.

01:33:57.505 --> 01:33:58.744
We got to go and support him again.

01:33:58.784 --> 01:33:59.725
We got to go and support him.

01:33:59.725 --> 01:34:00.255
Let's go.

01:34:00.395 --> 01:34:01.675
The music was great.

01:34:02.114 --> 01:34:04.555
And, um, really what it was.

01:34:04.585 --> 01:34:15.074
And, uh, there's another fellow out there that you guys should pay some attention to name, uh, Jason Becker and Jason Becker was our pastor and, uh, and not a very good speaker.

01:34:15.585 --> 01:34:21.375
Jason, you're, you're, you're a phenomenal speaker now, my friend, um, but not a very good speaker at that time.

01:34:21.595 --> 01:34:23.595
And so, listen, it wasn't easy being in there.

01:34:23.625 --> 01:34:24.095
Interesting.

01:34:24.114 --> 01:34:28.914
And I appreciate, I appreciate Jason playing Pearl Jam, um, in church.

01:34:29.314 --> 01:34:39.095
And really what it was is it was a church, it was a church for people, um, that didn't fit into a regular church, right?

01:34:39.095 --> 01:34:40.425
Kind of like you didn't fit in a regular, how's it called?

01:34:40.425 --> 01:34:41.345
Yeah, yeah.

01:34:41.345 --> 01:34:56.689
And it was just, and for us, and you know, While they're up there and and every song that they had had some meaning behind it and it may be it is Pearl Jam and Listen, man, and I mean blowing it out playing it for real.

01:34:57.149 --> 01:35:09.835
Um, but but doing it for the for the love of God right and And I didn't realize it, but what had happened is that had been introduced at a time before my life had actually gotten incredibly difficult.

01:35:10.215 --> 01:35:15.104
So when things were really, really bad, that was kind of the little bit of solitude.

01:35:15.545 --> 01:35:17.324
So that was the one place where.

01:35:18.085 --> 01:35:22.225
And we all went together because my kids got wrapped up into the music of it.

01:35:22.375 --> 01:35:34.135
Um, they're, they're musicians, Chloe and, and, and, and Jacob are, um, both now and, and Dawson, um, absolutely couldn't, even though he's gone in different directions, played, played bass for a while, but, um, they were there.

01:35:34.135 --> 01:35:46.060
So we kind of had something else drawing us there and, um, And, you know, and it was church of rock and roll, uh, yeah, and it was, you know, and again, and, and, and Jason wasn't a very good speaker.

01:35:46.369 --> 01:35:50.979
So he, he, he had to, he had to find a connection, right.

01:35:51.010 --> 01:35:59.630
And he was in, and what he was very good at was taking a biblical story that didn't make a whole lot of sense.

01:36:00.625 --> 01:36:11.375
relaying it into something that just happened to him last week, which I know a lot of pastors and things like that do, but yeah, but exceptionally well in real world.

01:36:11.375 --> 01:36:15.185
And that's probably where he got his sermon from and things like that.

01:36:15.185 --> 01:36:19.824
I think what you mean is he hadn't been a very well established speaker cause it does.

01:36:20.795 --> 01:36:21.515
Listen, no, no.

01:36:21.515 --> 01:36:24.534
I mean, like, like he wasn't, he was not a good storyteller.

01:36:24.965 --> 01:36:25.965
No, that's what I mean.

01:36:26.215 --> 01:36:26.534
Yeah.

01:36:26.534 --> 01:36:27.875
He was not a good storyteller.

01:36:28.305 --> 01:36:29.154
He got better.

01:36:29.194 --> 01:36:37.914
Listen, the motives and the foundation and for what he wanted to do, um, was always there and it had the right, the heart was right.

01:36:38.185 --> 01:36:38.935
The heart was right.

01:36:39.295 --> 01:36:48.720
And, um, so, so at that point, um, You know, and even realizing it in the moment, and I'm very grateful for it today.

01:36:48.720 --> 01:36:55.979
That's probably been the moment in my life when a church has, um, had the biggest impact for me.

01:36:56.060 --> 01:36:58.560
Oh, this is a Christian church, I presume?

01:36:59.244 --> 01:36:59.444
Yeah.

01:36:59.895 --> 01:37:00.154
Yeah.

01:37:00.204 --> 01:37:00.425
Yeah.

01:37:00.425 --> 01:37:02.234
Talking about Jesus and all that stuff.

01:37:02.234 --> 01:37:02.300
Yeah.

01:37:02.300 --> 01:37:04.274
Telling stories about, like, being better.

01:37:04.654 --> 01:37:06.885
Reading the Bible and talking about Jesus.

01:37:06.885 --> 01:37:07.185
Yeah.

01:37:07.185 --> 01:37:07.604
Yeah.

01:37:07.654 --> 01:37:08.024
Yeah.

01:37:08.064 --> 01:37:10.305
It was, it was, that's what it was.

01:37:10.305 --> 01:37:19.944
And, um, you know, but the reality is, you know, for me, Um, you know, I can't, I can't, I have a hard time identifying with a religion.

01:37:19.994 --> 01:37:20.274
Yeah.

01:37:20.414 --> 01:37:23.704
Um, the faith to me is, is a very personal thing.

01:37:23.704 --> 01:37:26.034
It's something that I feel it's something that I know.

01:37:26.045 --> 01:37:26.814
You're comfortable.

01:37:26.814 --> 01:37:30.564
Like you'd be comfortable being in a church picnic.

01:37:30.774 --> 01:37:31.835
Oh, Oh, absolutely.

01:37:32.505 --> 01:37:34.104
I'm, I'm not offended by it.

01:37:34.104 --> 01:37:36.024
You know, don't, don't throw it in my face.

01:37:36.055 --> 01:37:39.585
You know, I don't appreciate anything being thrown in my face, you know?

01:37:39.635 --> 01:37:49.970
And, um, especially with, With, you know, anyone that is self righteous, you know, and, and you, and you get some of that, you know, and you have that in all, all pieces of life.

01:37:50.010 --> 01:37:55.659
And, um, do you open the Bible, uh, once a year or no, no, I don't open the Bible at all.

01:37:55.850 --> 01:37:56.840
No, I don't.

01:37:56.869 --> 01:37:58.949
I've never read the Bible.

01:37:59.060 --> 01:38:00.729
Um, I've never read it cover to cover.

01:38:00.739 --> 01:38:10.244
Yeah, no, and again, and you know, um, But, you know, I've never, um, I've never discounted it.

01:38:10.284 --> 01:38:14.935
I've never not allowed it, um, to be a part of my life or to be heard.

01:38:14.944 --> 01:38:17.295
It's just certain things connect with you.

01:38:17.295 --> 01:38:17.614
Right.

01:38:17.614 --> 01:38:24.444
And for me, whatever it is, and in my heart, I have a connection with God.

01:38:25.140 --> 01:38:31.279
And, and what I believe, you know, um, kinda a fa a looser kind of a structure thing.

01:38:31.835 --> 01:38:33.979
A a looser, faster version of God.

01:38:33.984 --> 01:38:34.399
Right, right.

01:38:34.550 --> 01:38:36.170
you know, with music.

01:38:36.199 --> 01:38:36.680
Yeah.

01:38:36.949 --> 01:38:45.409
Well, you know, I, um, this, this is, this is, this is what I know is I know that faith is incredibly important.

01:38:45.439 --> 01:38:47.119
I know that's incredibly powerful.

01:38:47.119 --> 01:38:48.020
You said lot of faith, right?

01:38:48.020 --> 01:38:48.350
Yeah.

01:38:48.350 --> 01:38:52.000
Together, it's, it's in, it's incredibly powerful and, um.

01:38:52.329 --> 01:39:00.439
The, the moment when, when it becomes the most powerful is when you find it within yourself and you know that it's there, right?

01:39:00.510 --> 01:39:02.359
Unqualified, right?

01:39:02.409 --> 01:39:04.170
Not expecting anything in return.

01:39:04.170 --> 01:39:05.970
I'm not praying for results.

01:39:06.060 --> 01:39:09.739
I'm not, I'm not out sharing, sharing, you know, sharing your love.

01:39:09.739 --> 01:39:12.319
You know, you just, you just kind of realize, Hey.

01:39:13.475 --> 01:39:19.534
This is, this is it, this, there's something more than this and I'm a part of it and I'm grateful for that.

01:39:19.534 --> 01:39:19.875
Right.

01:39:19.885 --> 01:39:28.835
So that's kind of goes back to, I think, you know, again, as you kind of, you know, I was kind of stripped down raw, you know, kind of down to everything at certain days.

01:39:28.835 --> 01:39:31.045
I felt like all I had was my breath, right.

01:39:31.045 --> 01:39:35.835
It was the only thing I kind of had control of, but I also knew I was part of something bigger.

01:39:35.835 --> 01:39:41.265
And I, I firmly believe, you know, that, that you and I stand in here, you know, we're in community.

01:39:42.194 --> 01:39:43.015
Absolutely.

01:39:43.034 --> 01:39:51.664
And, and, and there's, and there's a, I believe there's a shared consciousness between all of us as a world, you know, and, and things like that.

01:39:51.675 --> 01:39:55.614
And there's, and there's some power in that, you know, and maybe God is like.

01:39:56.069 --> 01:39:58.250
People powered, right?

01:39:59.060 --> 01:40:04.654
Well, well, I can tell you, well, well listen, not say that there's a consciousness at all there, but hey, like what, what, what?

01:40:04.850 --> 01:40:12.590
Whatever it is that you, that, that you think God is, and whoever it is, it, it's flawed and whatever it is, for sure, none of us has a clear picture.

01:40:12.590 --> 01:40:14.720
We're we're trying to make it up, right?

01:40:14.725 --> 01:40:19.159
And somewhere is somebody wrote something down, but there is some kind of a connection between all of us.

01:40:19.805 --> 01:40:22.564
That's one thing that's hard to deny for any faith.

01:40:22.614 --> 01:40:23.765
It's real.

01:40:23.805 --> 01:40:25.295
I've, I've, I've felt it.

01:40:25.335 --> 01:40:26.045
I've known it.

01:40:26.095 --> 01:40:38.604
And you know, it's funny because, um, of, of, as you told me this, you know, the, the two things that, that stood out to me that I've thought about were both the faith and politics and I'm like, Oh my gosh.

01:40:38.895 --> 01:40:41.399
And every time I've thought about each one of these things.

01:40:41.460 --> 01:40:41.840
things.

01:40:41.850 --> 01:40:47.329
It's been something completely, uh, completely different and, uh, and things like that.

01:40:47.640 --> 01:40:51.069
So, uh, politics is your last mandatory topic.

01:40:52.114 --> 01:40:59.854
Oh man, wow, as an American, I'm ashamed, uh, you know, I think that, uh, I think that we can do so much.

01:40:59.854 --> 01:41:01.104
That we can have Trump v.

01:41:01.104 --> 01:41:03.444
Biden too, if you're not excited for that race?

01:41:03.444 --> 01:41:07.814
Listen, no, no, no, no, I'm not, um, I'm not at all.

01:41:07.875 --> 01:41:16.284
I think that we really have, um, America's got a, uh, you know, a whole lot of untapped potential that's there.

01:41:16.284 --> 01:41:21.454
Oh for sure, we've got such an amazing infrastructure, if we just don't get over our skis and our debt.

01:41:21.585 --> 01:41:21.944
Yeah.

01:41:21.944 --> 01:41:22.375
Yeah.

01:41:22.585 --> 01:41:32.744
And, and, and, and young minds that are, that are out there, um, you know, that can, um, you know, have some, have some solutions they'll figure out for different things.

01:41:33.404 --> 01:41:44.140
Well, you mean like the carbon problems and all this and that, like, You know, I mean, you know, I mean, you're starting to talk about carbon problems and things like that, and it's right.

01:41:44.319 --> 01:41:46.350
There's a lot of problems with the world, right?

01:41:46.359 --> 01:41:47.279
That needs to be fixed.

01:41:47.520 --> 01:41:49.640
If we just all chilled out a little bit more.

01:41:49.689 --> 01:42:23.125
Well, you know, here with it within ourselves, and you know, you start talking about carbon, you talk about world issues and things like that in reality, um, You know, politics and really what needs to happen in the United States is, you know, we need a uniter, you know, and it's hard for me, you know, as I look at it and try to find someone, you know, that I can align with, um, You know, I remember my grandfather telling me, you know, you know, I was like, what in the world is going on?

01:42:23.154 --> 01:42:29.614
And being like young, like 12, 13 years old, and maybe it was an election year, whatever, and asking what's going on?

01:42:29.614 --> 01:42:31.364
What's the difference between the two?

01:42:31.364 --> 01:42:32.175
And right, right.

01:42:32.255 --> 01:42:36.034
You know, and he's like, you know, one of them wants to, you know, do these things.

01:42:36.064 --> 01:42:36.574
Yeah.

01:42:36.574 --> 01:42:40.975
And, you know, and, and Republicans were all about money.

01:42:40.975 --> 01:42:47.204
And he goes, at the end of the day, you know, whether you like it or not, you need money.

01:42:47.630 --> 01:42:48.149
Right.

01:42:48.159 --> 01:42:52.020
So, you know, and, and that was kind of the political influence I had from him.

01:42:52.020 --> 01:43:01.750
He was like, so, so, you know, it just, in my mind, in simplest terms, you know, the safe, safe bet, if I wanted more cash in my pocket, I probably needed to go Republican.

01:43:02.229 --> 01:43:04.800
The reality is, is that they're both.

01:43:05.270 --> 01:43:11.500
Yeah, I'm very much a, um, you know, uh, uh, a moderate, you know, I have a bleeding heart.

01:43:11.609 --> 01:43:12.430
I want to help.

01:43:12.729 --> 01:43:14.760
Um, I don't like when my wallet bleeds.

01:43:15.069 --> 01:43:15.220
Right.

01:43:15.250 --> 01:43:15.750
You're right.

01:43:15.779 --> 01:43:22.779
And, and somehow there needs to be a balance and I'm, I'm tired of the fighting, you know, it's, uh, it's disgusting.

01:43:22.779 --> 01:43:23.829
Why don't you get a little RFK?

01:43:24.454 --> 01:43:26.654
Will you put an RFK sign in your front yard?

01:43:26.654 --> 01:43:42.268
You know, I really, it's, it's Cause I'm gonna, I'm gonna do that I think I'm gonna do that Yeah, yeah, you know, I haven't I haven't gone that way, you know, and Kurt God bless you, I love you man You put anything in your yard you want And I think we should be able to do that It's pretty scary though, right?

01:43:42.268 --> 01:43:49.430
Like even if you decided you were gonna vote for RFK Putting a side for RFK in your front yard would be way scarier.

01:43:49.739 --> 01:43:50.989
Well, you know what, man?

01:43:51.039 --> 01:43:52.300
I mean, it's one of those.

01:43:52.699 --> 01:43:55.659
You know, here's the thing.

01:43:55.659 --> 01:43:56.970
That's what he's trying to do.

01:43:56.979 --> 01:43:58.350
He's trying to be a uniter.

01:43:58.409 --> 01:43:59.380
Right, right.

01:43:59.380 --> 01:44:00.260
Yeah, yeah.

01:44:00.260 --> 01:44:02.579
And I think that's what we need.

01:44:02.579 --> 01:44:05.850
I think Biden, that was actually his first term phrase, right?

01:44:05.850 --> 01:44:07.409
Was unite the country or something?

01:44:07.420 --> 01:44:08.550
Yeah, yeah.

01:44:08.680 --> 01:44:10.039
I'm sure it probably was.

01:44:10.039 --> 01:44:14.984
You know, it's, it's I had, I had to be done with the news, man.

01:44:14.984 --> 01:44:29.314
I had, I had to stop and, and, and even, even still, you know, it, um, as, as you try and get through it, it's so much negativity and almost no productivity whatsoever.

01:44:29.335 --> 01:44:35.635
And for me, for me, where I'm at in my world is I want to be around people.

01:44:35.824 --> 01:44:37.244
That are moving forward.

01:44:37.244 --> 01:44:44.435
People that are positive and I don't want to see someone or listen to someone talk about how fucked up someone else is.

01:44:44.715 --> 01:44:46.095
That's not what I want to hear.

01:44:46.114 --> 01:44:51.045
I want to hear about solutions and I, and, and unfortunately that's not what motivates people.

01:44:51.045 --> 01:44:52.074
That's not exciting.

01:44:52.074 --> 01:44:53.354
That's not what gets the clicks.

01:44:53.354 --> 01:44:58.604
That's not what people get people to the polls, which is why the reality of the world is.

01:44:58.805 --> 01:45:04.305
that the people in the middle that are really out there working, they're too busy working.

01:45:04.314 --> 01:45:10.524
Are you worried about having a love focused enterprise and everybody else is worried about agendas or that would be?

01:45:10.524 --> 01:45:13.145
No, no, no, I don't.

01:45:13.154 --> 01:45:23.925
Because, you know, my response to all these jokers out there that are just, you know, spitting out one stupid thing after another is, you know, I'm going to go the other way, man.

01:45:23.925 --> 01:45:24.220
Chill out, dude.

01:45:24.500 --> 01:45:24.909
Yeah.

01:45:24.909 --> 01:45:25.199
Yeah.

01:45:25.199 --> 01:45:27.560
Listen, listen, it's yeah.

01:45:27.560 --> 01:45:29.989
And I mean, and that's a great, and that's a, that's a great thing.

01:45:29.989 --> 01:45:32.869
And, and I do want to be there because that's what I want to be around.

01:45:32.869 --> 01:45:48.250
And, um, I want to put more of it out there because there is so much negativity and it does come in politics and listen to go out and be a uniter and bring people together, um, isn't going to be sexy and exciting until everyone has been beaten to a pulp.

01:45:48.600 --> 01:45:52.255
And unfortunately that's what is change occurs when it's forced.

01:45:52.335 --> 01:45:56.835
Forced, unfortunately, um, by uncomfortable circumstances.

01:45:57.114 --> 01:46:02.774
Very rarely do we make a change, a preemptive, right?

01:46:02.805 --> 01:46:07.545
Like we're not a nation that goes out and, and, and practices preemptive medicine.

01:46:08.234 --> 01:46:10.604
We'll wait till we're sick for sure, right?

01:46:10.895 --> 01:46:12.635
You know, and that's not where I want to be.

01:46:12.645 --> 01:46:14.704
Well, I want some preventative medicine.

01:46:14.704 --> 01:46:18.305
So, you know, whoever you are out there, somebody's listening to this.

01:46:18.305 --> 01:46:26.125
You're doing yoga outside sometimes in the summer and stuff like you're listen, I've thought, I've thought about it and they've actually have thought about getting involved.

01:46:26.154 --> 01:46:27.204
Like, I'm sick of this.

01:46:27.204 --> 01:46:30.354
I just made somebody needs to just speak normally.

01:46:30.354 --> 01:46:32.085
You don't have enough money to get into.

01:46:32.145 --> 01:46:35.805
I don't have enough money and I've done too many shady things.

01:46:38.300 --> 01:46:42.069
No, but no, it's a, it, you know, it's, it's a game.

01:46:42.069 --> 01:46:46.020
It's like being an actor, being, being in politics is no different than being an actor.

01:46:46.020 --> 01:47:06.579
You just have access to, um, to, to be able to advance your financial decisions, but it's going to put money in your pocket, but you're all strings, you know, in, in at different times as I've, I've thought about things in careers and I've thought about, you know, if I really wanted to say screw it to everything, I'm either going to go into politics or I'm going to start a church.

01:47:06.854 --> 01:47:08.305
Because they both pay pretty well.

01:47:09.774 --> 01:47:10.564
If you do it right.

01:47:10.574 --> 01:47:11.675
If you do it right.

01:47:11.725 --> 01:47:13.295
And I'm a decent sales guy.

01:47:15.409 --> 01:47:19.850
Um, anything else that you'd like to touch on in the politics realm?

01:47:20.590 --> 01:47:26.539
No, you know, um, listen, just, just don't get caught up in all the hype.

01:47:26.590 --> 01:47:30.289
You know, we smoked two joints during this, uh, Yeah.

01:47:30.409 --> 01:47:30.970
Episode.

01:47:31.039 --> 01:47:31.340
Yeah.

01:47:31.600 --> 01:47:31.890
Yeah.

01:47:31.970 --> 01:47:33.369
I think, uh, well, I think.

01:47:33.369 --> 01:47:34.180
Pro marijuana legalization.

01:47:34.180 --> 01:47:35.470
I think, absolutely.

01:47:35.470 --> 01:47:37.069
Well, you know, same, same thing.

01:47:37.069 --> 01:47:41.560
You know, you, you dance that line between somewhere between, you know.

01:47:41.829 --> 01:47:44.270
Don't smoke two joints every day, every afternoon.

01:47:44.470 --> 01:47:45.493
Uh, well, I mean.

01:47:45.493 --> 01:47:46.113
Like, this is a special occasion.

01:47:46.113 --> 01:47:47.550
You're on the Loco Experience podcast.

01:47:47.579 --> 01:47:48.880
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

01:47:48.880 --> 01:47:56.319
Well, you know, I think Sublime had a great, a great song out there and maybe, maybe that's what you play in the, in the intro is, you know, the song Two Joints.

01:47:56.460 --> 01:47:57.850
They smoked two joints in the morning?

01:47:57.850 --> 01:47:58.109
Yeah.

01:47:58.270 --> 01:48:02.829
Yeah, two at the podcast, you know, um, but no, absolutely.

01:48:02.840 --> 01:48:07.869
Marijuana should be legalized, uh, you know, nationally.

01:48:07.890 --> 01:48:09.329
And it's only a matter of time.

01:48:09.350 --> 01:48:12.649
The de scheduling, the baby step was kind of dumb, right?

01:48:13.960 --> 01:48:14.760
It was.

01:48:14.760 --> 01:48:25.444
And you see, And it's, it's, it's, it's been kind of, it's, it's hard to watch and every new state that comes on, they go through all the same phases and they do all the ridiculous things like that.

01:48:25.484 --> 01:48:28.824
And then it just creates, well, there's a whole bunch of jobs created by all that red tape.

01:48:28.885 --> 01:48:30.045
It is, it is.

01:48:30.574 --> 01:48:38.324
And you know, and it's a money, it's a money grab to a certain degree and the cannabis industry unfortunately gets punished on a regular basis.

01:48:38.744 --> 01:48:42.814
Um, really, the cannabis industry is kind of being taken over by really big companies too.

01:48:43.460 --> 01:48:47.550
Well, listen, that's, that's, that's, what's gonna, that is absolutely what's going to happen.

01:48:47.699 --> 01:48:56.590
Like we talked about, there should actually be a tax on being big, like it shouldn't be on being income, like instead of being just having to get hit a certain size.

01:48:56.600 --> 01:48:59.510
Well, you want to tax what you want less of, right?

01:48:59.720 --> 01:49:00.640
And so.

01:49:01.055 --> 01:49:07.279
What we want less of is like companies to be really big and powerful, where they buy magazines and take over things.

01:49:07.279 --> 01:49:08.494
Do you really want that?

01:49:08.494 --> 01:49:11.614
Maybe you do want things to be big, because we got to get to Mars, baby.

01:49:11.765 --> 01:49:13.935
And if you're not going to get big, you're not going to get to Mars.

01:49:14.265 --> 01:49:19.154
Well, you know, and you talk about being big, or you think about Walmart or something like that, which is so massive.

01:49:19.555 --> 01:49:25.904
Um, you know, my, my family that still was living in, in, uh, New Orleans and things like that and Katrina.

01:49:25.904 --> 01:49:29.935
And, you know, the, the government couldn't get water to people, but Walmart got it done.

01:49:29.984 --> 01:49:30.715
Right, right.

01:49:31.095 --> 01:49:33.255
You know, that's, that's only from a big company.

01:49:33.255 --> 01:49:57.649
So, you know, I'm not afraid of size and things like that and, and taxation and, um, you know, associated with that definitely had some, some checks and balances, you know, associated with, but you can't stifle growth, you know, and the market will, what you don't want to do is, is put somebody in a position where, um, They, they have control, you know, over what the population does.

01:49:57.689 --> 01:49:58.310
Right, right.

01:49:58.350 --> 01:49:58.680
Right.

01:49:59.369 --> 01:50:01.109
Regardless of how big the company is.

01:50:01.140 --> 01:50:01.699
Fair enough.

01:50:02.189 --> 01:50:05.909
Um, let's move to the loco experience, if you're ready.

01:50:06.020 --> 01:50:06.409
Okay.

01:50:06.479 --> 01:50:06.989
Are you ready?

01:50:07.109 --> 01:50:08.949
Do you want to tell more than one loco experience?

01:50:08.989 --> 01:50:10.380
Because you were trying to decide.

01:50:10.380 --> 01:50:10.630
No.

01:50:10.659 --> 01:50:12.039
This one's going to take a little while.

01:50:12.039 --> 01:50:12.461
Okay.

01:50:12.461 --> 01:50:14.140
There's some setup here.

01:50:14.140 --> 01:50:18.764
Well, so, so this is, this is the crazy experience, right?

01:50:18.764 --> 01:50:19.604
Yeah, yeah.

01:50:19.604 --> 01:50:20.024
Okay.

01:50:20.024 --> 01:50:24.345
So, um, Leaving, uh, Keystone, right.

01:50:24.404 --> 01:50:36.765
I got kicked out for having my little, my little jelly jar bong or whatever it was, as I was a housekeeper, went to Austin, uh, had what it took, whatever money I had got down there and knew I had the free bus ride for mom.

01:50:36.765 --> 01:50:37.064
Right.

01:50:37.484 --> 01:50:41.135
So I got down to like my, maybe I think I had 80.

01:50:41.135 --> 01:50:42.774
We like living on a couch somewhere.

01:50:42.774 --> 01:50:47.984
Yeah, no, I had a friend at the same time, savings, no income.

01:50:48.005 --> 01:50:49.295
So yeah, no income.

01:50:49.345 --> 01:51:07.329
And at the, um, The day that I got laid off or, or, you know, got fired from my job, um, I, uh, met a guy in the hallway, a guy I skied with a few times I've skied with him only a couple of times and he was a crazy skier and he's like, man, we're leaving tomorrow to go to Austin.

01:51:07.329 --> 01:51:08.319
Just come to Austin.

01:51:08.640 --> 01:51:10.750
You know, I had my room for one more night.

01:51:11.250 --> 01:51:14.699
Um, I was like, well, you got to wait for me to get my check and stuff.

01:51:14.699 --> 01:51:18.130
And, um, I did that and got my check and jumped on a bus.

01:51:18.130 --> 01:51:22.564
Um, And, uh, went to Austin and then went down and Austin was incredible.

01:51:23.039 --> 01:51:24.710
Um, fell in love with the city.

01:51:24.710 --> 01:51:27.319
We went out to the river and you know, people at the river.

01:51:27.329 --> 01:51:28.510
Were they moving to Austin?

01:51:28.949 --> 01:51:30.319
He, that was where he was from.

01:51:30.390 --> 01:51:30.760
Right.

01:51:30.829 --> 01:51:34.640
So he already had like a friend and a roommate back in, back in Austin.

01:51:34.640 --> 01:51:47.880
So when we got to Austin, um, we had an apartment to go to and it's shady neighborhood, um, you know, and, um, but I got to see six or his first time I ever saw marijuana smoked.

01:51:48.060 --> 01:52:09.420
And in public, you know, we were in a bar somewhere on 6th Street and it was open air and I'm like, oh, I smell marijuana and I saw lowriders for the first time, you know, it's this crazy experience and, um, had this great time and then, uh, the money ran out and all I had was my bicycle and my backpack and I'm like, okay, mom, it's time.

01:52:09.460 --> 01:52:10.859
I'm, I'm coming back.

01:52:10.975 --> 01:52:15.125
And, um, so she got me my bus ticket, but I didn't go back to mom.

01:52:15.265 --> 01:52:18.194
Um, again, I think it's maybe a little generational thing.

01:52:18.454 --> 01:52:20.255
Now kids would go back to their moms.

01:52:20.295 --> 01:52:23.125
To me, that was, that was not something that you did.

01:52:23.194 --> 01:52:24.494
She only promised a bus ticket.

01:52:24.494 --> 01:52:24.784
Yeah.

01:52:24.784 --> 01:52:25.835
She gave me a bus ticket.

01:52:25.845 --> 01:52:26.734
She didn't say come home.

01:52:27.375 --> 01:52:28.515
She got me back to that.

01:52:28.515 --> 01:52:29.185
That was implied.

01:52:29.194 --> 01:52:31.784
She got me, she got me, she absolutely would listen.

01:52:32.095 --> 01:52:33.845
Never would have once turned me away.

01:52:33.864 --> 01:52:37.100
But, um, you know, I think it's important.

01:52:37.100 --> 01:52:44.420
Once you, once you, you know, as a young person, once you say, okay, this is it, I'm independent, be fucking independent.

01:52:45.100 --> 01:52:46.449
You know, you're going to need help.

01:52:46.520 --> 01:52:49.710
Listen, 50, 50 years old.

01:52:49.880 --> 01:52:54.859
I, my stepdad, Ben, God bless him, you know, has helped me at different times and things like that.

01:52:54.859 --> 01:52:56.100
So you need your family.

01:52:56.380 --> 01:53:01.979
Um, there, but you know, if you, you're a young person, he's self sufficient, stand up, stand up and be your own person.

01:53:01.979 --> 01:53:03.949
The world's going to slap you continuously.

01:53:04.279 --> 01:53:06.079
So you better be able to stand there and take a few.

01:53:06.079 --> 01:53:06.100
Yeah.

01:53:07.649 --> 01:53:11.930
But, um, so anyway, so I, I wasn't necessarily getting slapped around.

01:53:11.930 --> 01:53:16.399
I was goofing around, um, made, made my, you know, I'm on my bus ride.

01:53:16.409 --> 01:53:18.329
And I'm finally like, I'm out of it.

01:53:18.329 --> 01:53:23.949
I got 80 left and I'm like, okay, uh, ounces are 40 in Texas.

01:53:24.189 --> 01:53:26.010
So I'm like, I need an ounce of weed.

01:53:26.289 --> 01:53:28.890
I got a long bus ride and I got this little one hitter.

01:53:29.100 --> 01:53:31.899
Well, you can spend it for free if you sell three of those quarters.

01:53:31.909 --> 01:53:33.560
Hey man, it's, you know, it's, it's, it's.

01:53:33.560 --> 01:53:36.600
35, 40 quarters in Atlanta at the time.

01:53:36.600 --> 01:53:38.510
So I got a half ounce for 40.

01:53:38.529 --> 01:53:41.880
I'm good to go, you know, and I can't smoke that much.

01:53:41.880 --> 01:53:44.279
I mean, how long is this bus ride going to last really?

01:53:44.279 --> 01:53:44.659
Right.

01:53:45.100 --> 01:53:46.590
The bus ride lasts a long time.

01:53:47.390 --> 01:53:59.430
I mean, I didn't put a dent in an ounce with a one hitter, but, um, but every time the bus stopped, I'd jump off the bus and I'd, whatever it was, I'd sneak a couple of little tokes and get back on the bus.

01:53:59.430 --> 01:54:03.965
And when the bus first started out, I just told this, this, this friend of story to a friend of mine the other day.

01:54:04.975 --> 01:54:05.814
First got on the bus.

01:54:05.814 --> 01:54:06.484
It was crazy.

01:54:06.484 --> 01:54:13.104
There are two guys in front of me, you know, just, um, drinking tequila and they were smashed.

01:54:13.114 --> 01:54:15.404
I couldn't, you know, I didn't speak any Spanish.

01:54:15.425 --> 01:54:16.564
I had no idea what's going on.

01:54:16.604 --> 01:54:23.055
Everyone on the bus, you know, was taking the bus from where to where from Austin to Atlanta, Austin to Atlanta.

01:54:23.335 --> 01:54:23.625
Right.

01:54:23.854 --> 01:54:29.765
And, and I'm doing this and I've got 40 in my pocket and I take off and it's just in my head.

01:54:29.774 --> 01:54:31.704
All I can see is like the movie airplane.

01:54:31.704 --> 01:54:32.055
Right.

01:54:32.265 --> 01:54:38.055
You know, if you remember that comedy, you know, and there's chickens and crazy people on the, on the plane, right?

01:54:38.064 --> 01:54:46.814
That's what it felt like when I first get on there and as we're going across the country, you know, and this is going in the damn Greyhound bus, God bless you, cheap as can be.

01:54:47.114 --> 01:54:48.824
It stops like every 45 minutes.

01:54:49.085 --> 01:54:51.635
I mean, there were some times I rode a bus on a long trip for a few times.

01:54:51.654 --> 01:54:56.055
We, we stopped at one point and it was just a telephone pole and a light at the top of it.

01:54:56.055 --> 01:54:57.345
There was nothing else around.

01:54:57.399 --> 01:55:03.039
There was, you couldn't see anybody and we have to sit there for 45 minutes.

01:55:03.039 --> 01:55:07.779
So I go get in the phone booth cause this, there's nowhere else to hide.

01:55:08.020 --> 01:55:16.220
So I just go get on the phone booth and I fake a call and you know, I'm smoking as much as I can in my little one hitter in this phone booth at 3 AM.

01:55:17.199 --> 01:55:20.210
So this craziness goes on and you're part of it now.

01:55:20.289 --> 01:55:20.670
Yeah.

01:55:20.670 --> 01:55:30.329
And, and the bus transition with the powder weed, it is, or they got out to it and nobody else knows this or anything like it's, I'm not sharing it with anybody.

01:55:30.329 --> 01:55:33.029
I'm just like, I'm, I'm listening to my headphones.

01:55:33.029 --> 01:55:38.180
You know, I got, I got cassette tapes and a Sony Walkman, um, Yeah.

01:55:38.210 --> 01:55:38.979
That's what I had.

01:55:38.989 --> 01:55:39.850
That was my one hitter.

01:55:39.850 --> 01:55:41.500
Yeah.

01:55:41.500 --> 01:55:47.239
So I just, I kept that packed up and I kept making this trip that just seemed like it kept getting longer and longer.

01:55:47.869 --> 01:55:54.520
The people change, you know, and it, and you know, at one point I remember the guy sitting behind me, you know, as a black guy had a little baby.

01:55:54.520 --> 01:56:00.130
So the babies, you know, make a noise here and there, but sweet little thing and, and doing their thing.

01:56:00.130 --> 01:56:19.104
And then in front of me, there's a, you know, Uh, a hippie dude and you know, he's got his dreads and his patchouli and all that stuff, which I could appreciate at the time and, um, and, and all of his gear and all this stuff and we go and I've called my, my, my buddy Slade, you know, and Like from a pay phone, right?

01:56:19.125 --> 01:56:19.284
Yeah.

01:56:19.284 --> 01:56:19.835
Oh yes.

01:56:19.909 --> 01:56:22.409
So there was no, yeah, that's all there was, you know what I mean?

01:56:22.420 --> 01:56:26.739
Had pages, but I wasn't, I didn't have, you couldn't play any games in your phone while you're driving.

01:56:27.239 --> 01:56:27.930
No, no, no.

01:56:28.039 --> 01:56:30.020
Do you read books or anything while you're traveling?

01:56:30.079 --> 01:56:38.850
Uh, you know, well, I mean, if it's when it's daylight, you know, it's even that there wasn't, I don't think there was, you're just sitting there, just look at the back of this guy's dress.

01:56:39.210 --> 01:56:40.090
Yeah, exactly.

01:56:40.090 --> 01:56:41.069
I'm looking at dreads.

01:56:41.069 --> 01:56:44.090
I'm listening to the baby behind me, looking out the window.

01:56:44.765 --> 01:56:49.744
You know, praying someone doesn't sit beside me and getting ready to stop in another 45 minutes.

01:56:50.204 --> 01:56:52.114
And, um, so this goes on and on.

01:56:52.914 --> 01:57:03.795
I've called Slade and, um, you know, when I, when I took off and, um, went out there and did this, you know, I knew these guys and that this apartment where I ended up living and I'm like, Hey man, I'm coming back into town.

01:57:04.319 --> 01:57:05.920
Just got back from Colorado, man.

01:57:05.920 --> 01:57:07.970
I can't fucking wait to tell you about this, man.

01:57:07.970 --> 01:57:08.600
Come get me.

01:57:08.930 --> 01:57:12.529
You know, I got an ounce of weed for 40, you know?

01:57:12.529 --> 01:57:17.060
So I'm, so I'm all, I'm all, you know, psyched and, um, and ready.

01:57:17.060 --> 01:57:18.829
And that's what you're bringing to the, yeah.

01:57:18.930 --> 01:57:20.800
I'm like, come on, come get me, man.

01:57:20.819 --> 01:57:21.930
You don't call everybody.

01:57:21.930 --> 01:57:26.979
Let's I'm, I'm, I'm back, you know, the boy is back in town, you know, whatever.

01:57:26.979 --> 01:57:31.069
So I'm getting ready to go and ready to see my friends, you know, coming in on like a.

01:57:31.090 --> 01:57:34.350
Friday or a Saturday afternoon or something like that.

01:57:34.949 --> 01:57:43.739
And, um, the Greyhound bus, finally, you know, you see Atlanta coming over the hill on, on 20 coming in and, um, you know, excited to be there.

01:57:43.739 --> 01:57:47.189
And the bus station is right in the heart, right in the middle of the city.

01:57:47.609 --> 01:57:49.729
And so we're going through and we're navigating the city.

01:57:50.744 --> 01:58:08.954
Right as the bus, um, pulls in, as soon as we come into the, the Greyhound parking lot, you know, and you got your stall that the bus is getting ready to pull into, um, black suburban shoots out in front of us, uh, like a SWAT, uh, vehicle.

01:58:09.225 --> 01:58:13.664
Pulls up on one side, guys jump out and like full on SWAT suits.

01:58:13.664 --> 01:58:15.234
Yeah.

01:58:15.234 --> 01:58:25.414
Well, it's a Georgia GBI, you know, Georgia Bureau of Investigation and, um, and, and, and the DEA there, and like all this shit is like happening.

01:58:25.425 --> 01:58:36.465
And so the, the moment the bus pulls in right, right up in front of me, a ladder hits the side of the bus and this guy comes up and so like every six feet, he got boarded.

01:58:36.805 --> 01:58:42.085
They, they throw ladders up and they're looking in the windows and they're looking to see, cause it was a surprise, right?

01:58:42.114 --> 01:58:44.225
Like they stopped us and then we were swarmed.

01:58:44.534 --> 01:58:53.335
So now like anything that you do, like there's a dude watching everything that I do, and I've got an ounce of weed inside my little pocket on my hoodie.

01:58:53.845 --> 01:58:54.875
You know, and I'm like, fuck.

01:58:55.725 --> 01:58:56.925
This is it my mom?

01:58:56.925 --> 01:59:01.305
I'm not gonna see my mom I was like, right, because at that time, ounce of weed was a big deal.

01:59:01.305 --> 01:59:04.819
Listen, I'm going to, I'm going to jail, like real jail there.

01:59:04.819 --> 01:59:10.064
Like I'm going to real jail and it might be some time associated with it over this stupid ounce of weed.

01:59:10.274 --> 01:59:10.659
For$40.

01:59:10.960 --> 01:59:13.095
For$40 for$40, right?

01:59:13.095 --> 01:59:16.194
So I'm sitting there and I'm like, what?

01:59:16.199 --> 01:59:17.185
So I'm just like, cool.

01:59:17.185 --> 01:59:17.395
Right.

01:59:17.729 --> 01:59:18.449
Don't move.

01:59:18.449 --> 01:59:19.899
I'm just kind of sitting there.

01:59:20.289 --> 01:59:21.699
The hippie freaks out.

01:59:21.710 --> 01:59:22.100
Right.

01:59:22.100 --> 01:59:25.279
You know, and he's just cause the dude was like at his window.

01:59:25.560 --> 01:59:28.770
And so he's got that guy all agitated.

01:59:28.770 --> 01:59:32.350
And so that's going on and I'm watching that and I'm like, what in the hell?

01:59:32.760 --> 01:59:38.319
And then this guy gets on the bus and he's got this, the German, Oh yeah.

01:59:38.319 --> 01:59:47.869
He comes up and he's got the German shepherd and he's like, Hey, I'm So and so with, uh, you know, Georgia GBI, you know, and, and this is what you're going to do.

01:59:47.869 --> 01:59:59.465
And you're going to come here and you're going to deboard like this, and you're going to go, and you're going to stop here at the bottom for Sergeant so and so and whoever the, the canine was and stuff, you know, and there's dudes running around with guns.

01:59:59.524 --> 02:00:00.484
Guns everywhere.

02:00:00.484 --> 02:00:02.885
And I'm like, Oh man, this is, I'm done.

02:00:03.944 --> 02:00:04.494
I'm done.

02:00:04.814 --> 02:00:09.734
So I take everything I have and I, and I, and I get it in front of me.

02:00:10.095 --> 02:00:10.454
Right.

02:00:10.454 --> 02:00:11.635
And I'm just like a backpack.

02:00:11.744 --> 02:00:19.885
I got, I got my backpack, my mountain Smith backpack, you know, and maybe a couple of pieces of random clothing or some shit like that.

02:00:19.944 --> 02:00:20.664
Not a whole lot.

02:00:20.685 --> 02:00:25.685
I'm trying to insulate a bag of, you know, some cheap, cheap Texas weed.

02:00:26.534 --> 02:00:29.994
And, um, probably it was probably a good thing.

02:00:29.994 --> 02:00:30.154
Yeah.

02:00:30.154 --> 02:00:33.385
It's definitely some dirt weed, so it probably wasn't all that fragrant.

02:00:33.395 --> 02:00:47.604
You know, it's not like trying to hide this stuff today, but, um, but you know, I'm going up and as we get ready to go up, I just, I'm looking at in the dude standing there with the gun, you got to go up and I'd like looked at him and like looked in his goggles and.

02:00:47.765 --> 02:00:57.354
And I looked down and I saw the guy at the bottom with the dog and I kind of, and then I, I just remember seeing a little bit of, of like a scuffle with the hippie dude.

02:00:57.354 --> 02:01:04.534
So as the hippie dude was coming down with the dreadlocks, they, they jumped the hippie dude and it's immediately like a thing.

02:01:04.534 --> 02:01:06.274
They throw him down on the ground.

02:01:06.939 --> 02:01:12.779
Um, I go down the steps, I go over immediately, go over like, just like 30 feet away, everyone else.

02:01:12.779 --> 02:01:15.300
I was in, I was towards, I was towards the back of the bus.

02:01:15.310 --> 02:01:20.260
So I was in the back, you know, 15 percent of the bus, um, I was, I was back at the back.

02:01:20.260 --> 02:01:21.220
So there's a bunch of other people.

02:01:21.470 --> 02:01:24.840
So there's like three or four, you know, there's people that are standing there.

02:01:24.850 --> 02:01:28.239
However many, a couple dozen wide and a couple of rows deep.

02:01:28.539 --> 02:01:31.050
And so they go after the hippie.

02:01:31.050 --> 02:01:33.560
The dog is all over the hippie dude stuff.

02:01:33.890 --> 02:01:35.020
I go down the steps.

02:01:35.069 --> 02:01:36.420
I go out to the left.

02:01:36.534 --> 02:01:44.234
And turn and I stand right at my next spot, like, just extend, like, we're all standing, posing for a photo, right?

02:01:44.234 --> 02:01:45.545
Like that's what it looks like.

02:01:45.555 --> 02:01:47.444
We're just all scared as shit, right?

02:01:47.484 --> 02:01:48.725
What the hell is going on?

02:01:49.185 --> 02:01:54.045
And I, and I, and I remember thinking, I can't believe I just got past the drug dog.

02:01:54.244 --> 02:01:56.095
What are they doing to that hippie?

02:01:56.135 --> 02:01:56.875
He's in a pretzel.

02:01:57.255 --> 02:02:00.204
And I watched the black dude with the baby walk past me.

02:02:00.284 --> 02:02:01.494
They walked right past me.

02:02:02.295 --> 02:02:04.204
And I noticed the way that he was walking.

02:02:04.204 --> 02:02:07.805
And then I turned and I watched him and directly behind me was a door into the terminal.

02:02:08.114 --> 02:02:10.125
The terminal is about 50 feet wide.

02:02:10.125 --> 02:02:12.085
And then there's the street on the outside.

02:02:12.085 --> 02:02:15.444
So you could look through the building and you could see the street on the other side.

02:02:15.704 --> 02:02:21.824
He walked in, he went, walked into the front door, you know, the back door there and walked straight through and walked out the front.

02:02:21.854 --> 02:02:25.215
And he went out and I'm like, all right, he's gone.

02:02:26.125 --> 02:02:33.354
I, so I ducked out, went to the bathroom, took my weed out, stuffed it behind a urinal, you know, at the bus stop.

02:02:33.354 --> 02:02:34.895
I can't believe I'm saying this.

02:02:35.375 --> 02:02:42.685
And um, so I stuff it in there and then I go back out and I walk right back to my place like for in the photo, right?

02:02:42.685 --> 02:02:45.425
I get right back in my lineup and I'm standing there.

02:02:46.164 --> 02:02:52.234
But by then they, they have gathered, uh, kilos of cocaine.

02:02:52.324 --> 02:02:54.534
I'm seeing a pyramid.

02:02:54.564 --> 02:02:54.984
What?

02:02:55.194 --> 02:02:56.215
The bus was full of cocaine?

02:02:56.779 --> 02:02:58.039
I sat on it.

02:02:58.180 --> 02:03:02.220
I sat on it from like somewhere in Mississippi or somewhere as well.

02:03:02.390 --> 02:03:03.590
There's a bunch of other people, I guess.

02:03:03.630 --> 02:03:04.899
No, no, just me.

02:03:04.949 --> 02:03:16.970
It was the black dude behind me because I remember when he got on, he had the baby bag and he had a, he had like a hockey bag, like a hockey, because I remember thinking that's the biggest duffel bag I've ever seen.

02:03:17.390 --> 02:03:17.739
Right.

02:03:17.760 --> 02:03:24.159
And, but then he's got the baby in the little baby bag and I'm like, maybe he just threw all his shit and it went right under my seat.

02:03:24.159 --> 02:03:26.039
So when they made everybody get up.

02:03:26.435 --> 02:03:28.414
They made us all get off the bus.

02:03:28.784 --> 02:03:30.864
They throw the hippie down on the ground.

02:03:30.875 --> 02:03:35.005
They get the hippie because they find all the cocaine that was under my seat.

02:03:35.359 --> 02:03:47.180
The black dude is gone, I come out, they're doing their stupid poses, like holding their guns up, and they got the dog laying in front of the cocaine, and, you know, the, the whole thing, I'm like, what?

02:03:47.210 --> 02:03:49.199
It's just all, it's all theater anyway.

02:03:49.210 --> 02:03:54.529
As, as fast as they threw their ladders up on the truck, they were gone.

02:03:54.789 --> 02:03:56.380
And then they're gone.

02:03:57.449 --> 02:03:59.710
We're just standing there in the parking lot.

02:03:59.729 --> 02:04:03.260
And we're like, and all our bags are just laying out on the parking lot.

02:04:03.260 --> 02:04:07.920
And GBI is hauled ass with God knows how many kilos were you at this?

02:04:07.960 --> 02:04:08.300
Oh yeah.

02:04:08.300 --> 02:04:09.819
We were at the final destination.

02:04:09.819 --> 02:04:10.170
Okay.

02:04:10.180 --> 02:04:11.270
We had reached our stop.

02:04:11.270 --> 02:04:14.390
I called my buddy slate and he's like, man, he goes, I came to get you.

02:04:14.390 --> 02:04:16.960
And he goes, I had to go back to the apartment and clean my truck out.

02:04:16.989 --> 02:04:20.529
He goes, there's GBI and DEA all over the place.

02:04:20.720 --> 02:04:22.199
What the hell was going on?

02:04:22.199 --> 02:04:23.970
I'm like, you never going to believe this, man.

02:04:23.979 --> 02:04:24.340
That was.

02:04:24.779 --> 02:04:26.789
I was sitting on a giant bag of cocaine.

02:04:27.729 --> 02:04:29.960
So that's my, um, that's my crazy story.

02:04:29.960 --> 02:04:30.149
Yeah.

02:04:30.149 --> 02:04:32.609
And I didn't know I was going to tell you that story until earlier.

02:04:32.609 --> 02:04:34.390
So, uh, crazy.

02:04:34.409 --> 02:04:35.930
So that's a pretty crazy experience.

02:04:36.000 --> 02:04:37.329
It was, uh, it was crazy.

02:04:38.239 --> 02:04:43.079
Like you could've got five years for that ounce of 40 ounce of weed in a day.

02:04:43.359 --> 02:04:44.260
Oh, absolutely.

02:04:44.260 --> 02:04:51.960
You know, and, and, and taking it all full circle, you know, coming back there now, you know, you, you, you, you can still go to jail there and you shouldn't.

02:04:52.029 --> 02:04:52.460
Yeah.

02:04:52.539 --> 02:04:52.720
Yeah.

02:04:52.899 --> 02:04:53.380
Fair enough.

02:04:53.909 --> 02:04:55.199
Well, it's been fun.

02:04:55.289 --> 02:04:55.840
Neighbor.

02:04:55.979 --> 02:04:56.310
Yeah.

02:04:56.310 --> 02:04:56.909
I appreciate it.

02:04:56.909 --> 02:04:59.789
And uh, we're going to have a fun walk home together.

02:04:59.930 --> 02:05:00.140
Yeah.

02:05:00.140 --> 02:05:03.000
Just for everybody's knowledge, we did drink a lot of wine.

02:05:03.449 --> 02:05:03.909
A lot of wine.

02:05:03.909 --> 02:05:04.479
We smoked some weed.

02:05:04.520 --> 02:05:04.710
Yeah.

02:05:04.710 --> 02:05:05.670
And we're going to walk home.

02:05:05.939 --> 02:05:06.460
And we are.

02:05:06.500 --> 02:05:08.029
And we're going to use the crosswalks.

02:05:08.579 --> 02:05:08.770
Yeah.

02:05:08.819 --> 02:05:10.029
Push the little buttons.

02:05:10.939 --> 02:05:12.159
I might, I might take off.

02:05:12.159 --> 02:05:12.399
Right.

02:05:12.449 --> 02:05:14.569
I may take off on a yellow, but yeah.

02:05:15.020 --> 02:05:16.680
We'll, we'll, we'll get home at the same time.

02:05:16.689 --> 02:05:16.770
We'll be safe.

02:05:16.770 --> 02:05:16.909
Yeah.

02:05:16.909 --> 02:05:17.489
Either way.

02:05:18.539 --> 02:05:18.989
Thank you.

02:05:19.029 --> 02:05:19.380
Thanks.

02:05:19.380 --> 02:05:21.225
It was fun, bud.