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EXPERIENCE 171 | Aaron Everitt - Meeting Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Trump Trials & Tribulations, “Mr. Science” Anthony Fauci on the stand and…NoCo Real Estate Update

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This week on The LoCo Experience, we welcomed back Aaron Everitt, our sponsor through his business, Logistics Co-op, and regular guest of the show for real estate updates and real talk on national and local politics.  Aaron has been creating content on X the past year or so as @loanly_hipster, some of which has been supportive of RFK’s Presidential run, and he caught the attention of the campaign a few months ago.  In May, Aaron was invited to have a one-on-one meeting with RFK prior to the Rally in Aurora, and he shares his reflections on that meeting - and on the potential routes to victory for the campaign - and the many efforts being made to oppose it.  

Also fresh in the news is the Trump 34-count conviction for hush-money something something, and the first day on the stand for “Mr. Science” Anthony Fauci.  Aaron and I discuss what is the swamp and how can we actually drain it? - and some of the big items in local politics.  We close with a NoCo real estate update - hint - not a lot has changed - and we talk a bit about the future of water and population growth here in Northern Colorado.  It’s always an easy conversation with Aaron, and he shares a touching LoCo Experience tying back to his grandad and the early years of the Fort Collins Country Club.  So please tune in and enjoy my recent conversation with Aaron Everitt.  

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This week on The Loco Experience, we welcome back Aaron Everett, our sponsor through his business, Logistics Co op, and regular guest of the show for real estate updates and real talk on national and local politics.

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Aaron has been creating content on X for the past year or so as Lonely Hipster, some of which has been supportive of RFK's presidential run, and he caught the attention of the campaign a few months ago.

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In May, Aaron was invited to have a one on one meeting with RFK prior to the rally in Aurora, and he shares his reflections on that meeting and on the potential routes to victory for the campaign.

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And the many efforts being made to oppose it.

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Also fresh in the news is the Trump 34 count conviction for hush money something something.

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And the first day on the stand for Mr.

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Science, Anthony Fauci.

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Aaron and I discussed what is the swamp and how can we actually drain it.

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And some of the big items in local politics.

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We close with a NoCo real estate update.

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Hint, not a lot has changed.

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And we talk a bit about the future of water and population growth here in Northern Colorado.

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It's always an easy conversation with Aaron, and he shares a touching loco experience tying back to his granddad and the early years of the Fort Collins Country Club.

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So please tune in and enjoy my recent conversation with Aaron Everett.

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Okay, here we go.

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All right.

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Welcome back to the Loco Experience.

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I'm joined again today by Aaron Everett and Aaron's been here.

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I don't know.

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That's probably seven or eight times, something like that.

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A few times.

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Number of times.

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Yeah.

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Like, uh, Rogan style.

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We have some of our favorites.

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Good to see you

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again.

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Nice to see you.

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Um, we're going to cover a number of topics today.

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Um, you've been a very busy guy the last, uh, well, your whole life really, but, uh, uh, like one of the really interesting things is you have become a fan.

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We talked in our last episode of, of RFK Jr.

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I did.

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In person.

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Yeah, I did.

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It was really

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at the rally.

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It was a really cool thing.

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Um, I don't know, I've said this a number of times.

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I'm not really sure why that I got sort of singled out.

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I supposed to meet him, but it, but it's been cool.

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I've been doing a lot of stuff and on X and creating videos and things about, and really those videos are Just sort of, I like, I love to write.

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We've talked about this before.

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I really love to write.

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And this was just a really easy way to get into doing presentations of visual things in relationship to what I was writing.

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And, and so I started doing that and a number of those have been, um, friendly to say the least, uh, at RFK stuff.

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And they've been my explanations as to why I've been interested in his campaign and to what, what's happened over the last four years.

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I would not, um, this is not a normal time, I think, in politics.

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I just, it's a very unique time.

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And he has this very logical and, um, consistent approach to what he wants to see happen.

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He gets dismissed often as a crazy person and a crank and anti vaxxer and all the other pejoratives that are just really easy to dismiss somebody by.

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Um, which I find kind of, you know, normal.

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It's that this is Well,

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and the funny thing is, is I've I've listened to, he's been on several of my favorite podcasts and I've probably listened to him for no less than 10 hours total, uh, in different formats and things and like opposite a crazy person for the most part.

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Well, in particular, in comparison to the two others that are at the top of the deal.

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Yeah.

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And I've, what, what have I heard from Trump in terms of actual time discussing issues and topics?

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Like, I don't think I have an hour of that.

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No, very little.

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And if you did his.

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You know, if you did give him more than an hour, which was B maybe a campaign speech or a rally, if you listen to the next one, it'll sound exactly the same, right?

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It's, I mean, there'd be little nuances or maybe new jokes or something, but it is, it's intended to just basically be kind of keep moving forward in the same direction.

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Um, yeah.

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So Biden's

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approaches more like don't hide in the basement, don't talk and throw legal grenades until something good happens.

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Yeah.

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And.

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And really, politics has just become not an interesting s subject.

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It, it's not a very interesting subject in America.

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Yeah.

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Because it, it is that.

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It's just two parties that kind of march forward and really neither one of them are all that great.

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They're not

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accountable to

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the population,

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to their party members.

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Not at

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all, not at all accountable to the party members.

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So, you know, part of my interest in him being in the campaign is to keep the conversation alive as long as possible.

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Um, Thank you.

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You know, I think if everything breaks right and things go in a good direction, I, I really do genuinely think he has a shot being very disruptive, if not winning, um, but more than that, having someone who's intelligent and articulate speak about things that matter.

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Um,

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hopefully we'll get people to pay attention, at

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least make, at least make the other two who haven't had to answer any questions all through their primary season, have to answer something when it comes to the election stuff.

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So it's been really interesting.

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I've done a lot of different video stuff.

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I think I'm up to 56 or 57 of my own plus five or six guest essays.

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So I'm, I'm well over 60 different video creations and writings.

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It's a lot.

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It's like seven hours worth of stuff now.

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Um, If you sliced it all together.

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So it's a huge amount.

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Each

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of those hours taking you

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one minute, a video takes about an hour.

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It's

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way too much time.

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I've spent way too much time on it, but I

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think that's why you got invited to meet RFK because nobody's making you do this.

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Nobody's paying you for it.

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You're not under rando.

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Yep.

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Just want to articulate things that I think are, yeah, I'm politically interested and I think there are things that are more interesting in politics than what we've been given the chance to discuss.

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Well in your background in writing, kind of generally libertarian, conservative viewpoints for magazines and different articles online and different things over the years, puts you in a special perspective probably.

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Yeah.

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And unique.

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I think, I think unique for his base.

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Um, although I don't know really who his base is, frankly, like it's, it's all over.

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Yeah, it really

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is.

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Um, free thinkers.

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Yeah.

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I hope so.

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It

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seems like it anyway.

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So tell me

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about RFK time together.

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So I got invited down to do the deal in Denver at the rally.

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And, um, it was just, uh, just something of a surprise.

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Frankly, I woke up to an email one morning that was just an invitation to come down.

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It was his director of scheduling and said, you know, would you be willing to come down to the rally at one o'clock where rally didn't start till six or five 30 or something.

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And, you know, had a meet and greet with donors beforehand and some other things.

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And he just wanted to, uh, an opportunity.

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You didn't write him a big

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check yet.

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No, I didn't.

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I've given some money to the campaign, but it's not like

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a bunch.

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Your time is worth a lot more than the money that you've done it.

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Yeah,

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probably so.

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So anyway, we just, uh, I ended up sitting in the room with him, his son was with him.

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Um, and his press secretary was kind of in and out and we talked for probably 35 or 40 minutes together.

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Um, what I was struck most with was.

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Just a genuine being a genuine person.

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Yeah.

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Um, which you don't find in politics.

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You know, he knew he was

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better than you though.

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Right.

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Made of better clay, made of better clay, men made of better clay.

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No, he, um, it was really cool because I went in and I, you know, I really wasn't, I didn't really know what to expect.

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I wasn't going in.

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For any with any objective, it just was kind of a very cool opportunity to meet somebody that I admire and I thought had great has had really great consistent things to say about whatever policy it is over the course of time.

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And I love his line, which is you can insult me all you want, but.

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I, I won't change my mind because you call me names.

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And I think that's really different than what we get in politics typically, which is if somebody comes and attacks, nuts, and then, you know, you get an apology and a backpedal and a this, that, and the other thing, he really doesn't do that.

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And.

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And probably to maybe to the detriment of his campaign, many of the people that are interested in him are very, you know, anti Israel and there's a lot of stuff related to Palestine and the conversations around that.

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And he doesn't back away from his particular position, which is that there's, if both people have a hundred percent of claim to the land, it's not as simple as everyone wants to make it.

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And it's not just good guys and bad guys.

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There's probably a lot there to talk about Netanyahu is not a great guy, but neither is Hamas.

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So there's probably two Yeah, that's the interesting thing is Netanyahu is clannical.

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Clinging to power.

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Yeah, before this all broke out.

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Yeah, so he's got an incentive to

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stick around same

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with Zelensky You know, he's the boss over in Ukraine as long as this thing drags out

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My favorite meme of just a sidebar just quickly about Zelensky, which was that I'm very the best meme I saw was Tom Cruise He's the highest paid actor in Hollywood made a hundred million dollars last year.

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And then Zelinsky down below said, hold my beer.

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I

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got 140 billion, bitch.

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I only get 10%, but whatever.

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So anyway, it was a great, so we got to meet him.

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Um, had a long conversation.

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He mostly asked me questions about what I thought about different things.

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Uh, artificial intelligence, the COVID response, uh, what the campaign was doing.

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Just who am I?

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Lots of questions about me.

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So I walked away Did you mention Loco Think

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Tank, by the way?

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Well,

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I, he signed a book that I had with a Loco Think Tank pen.

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Oh, that's pretty good.

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Did you give it to him?

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I

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gave him the pen.

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So he has the pen.

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He might get curious what it has to do with it.

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One of these days.

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Uh, so yeah, it was great.

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It was like, what I took away, and people have asked me a lot, you know, what would you say if you could boil it down in one word, what would you say about him?

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And I would just say it's genuine.

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Um, I actually think he's a really genuine person.

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He doesn't strike me.

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There's not a.

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An air of phoniness about him in any, in any manner.

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And I've met a lot of politicians in my life, right.

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Um, and spent time with them and sat down to lunches with them and, you know, went through their pitch and Corey Gardner

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was at the wedding.

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I went to last weekend.

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I met Mr.

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Gardner many times and, and he's a lot shorter than he looks on TV.

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Sorry, Corey, if you're listening.

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But, uh, you know, there's things about each politician that, you know, that the pitch is coming, that they want your money,

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or

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they want your, you know, they're not really even curious about your support.

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They don't really even care why you are there to meet with them for lunch or dinner or anything else.

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They're, they're mostly interested in trying to get their next campaign donation.

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And, um, And so, you know, you kind of walk in with a particular, yeah,

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guard, your checkbook, guard, your checkbook and your feelings, your children and

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everything else.

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And I didn't, did not come away from that at all feeling that way.

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I, you know, the press secretary was in a tank top and yoga pants and nothing, no air of pretentiousness about any of them.

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They're all very, um, the campaign itself feels very family, kind of like a family.

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Well, they're spending so much

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money on security.

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They can't really get nice outfits for everybody else.

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Million bucks a month currently right now.

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Yeah.

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Seems like probably a deal.

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Well, compared to being dead, which he's had, uh, four attempts at breaking in his house or five and two or three at, at rallies with people that came with guns and proposed as federal marshals or whatever.

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So there's been a number of, Um, reasons as to why the guy he's got doing security is worth his money.

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That's for sure.

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Well,

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the guy that's doing security has been on Rogan before.

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Yeah, Gavin DeBecker.

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Yeah, yeah.

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That guy's like one of my favorite past guests on Rogan.

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He's a really

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interesting guy.

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Yeah.

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Really, really interesting person.

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He's been around with a lot of presidents and advisors to presidents in the past, so really.

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I

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imagine he's probably not doing security.

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There most of the time I didn't, I didn't see him, but yeah,

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it was great.

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We know we went to the rally had 1700, 2000 people, something like that is kind of what the numbers said, which isn't a huge rally for politics, but it was also, it felt really good.

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Cause room was full actually was into the overflow room and he has a great stump speech.

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I mean, he really does.

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Um, and he talks about different things at every stump speech, which is kind of cool.

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I mean, you hear some of the same things.

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Sure.

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Kind of like the Jordan

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Peterson lecture series where he picks a new little tangent to spin off of.

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Picks a new

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little deal and does something else.

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But you know, it was, um, it's really great.

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So kind of been out trying to get ballots, I mean, get, or signatures to get him on the ballot, which is the big deal right now.

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You got to get, uh, 1200 signatures per district in Colorado to get him on the ballot.

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Um, and so, you know, Each one of those districts is going to have their own challenges about how to get that many signatures.

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But I think overall, seems like things are in good, pretty good shape in terms of him getting on the ballot in Colorado.

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And

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now, do you think he could realistically?

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Take the general election or he would be potentially a compromised candidate if neither of the major party candidates can get to the Number.

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Well, I think it's two ways to get there.

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One is that everything breaks, right?

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Which is For him anyway, which would be that for whatever reason any number of things that can happen in politics It happens.

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Could the Democrats nominate Kennedy?

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If they realize that Biden's bus is the short bus and it's not got far to go?

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Yeah,

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they could.

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They really could.

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That

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would, that's my thinking is that that would be like, they can't control him though.

00:14:10.884 --> 00:14:14.575
So that would be a big roadblock for the Democratic Party choosing him.

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And really, they don't, they don't.

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You know, both parties at this point have really truly have been, and I think this is the most compelling argument for why Kennedy matters in the particular election.

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Both parties have been captured very deeply by this, by both the corporate world, but also the, the bureaucratic institutions.

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More so even.

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So both of those two things playing together allow this sort of puppet show to happen above the stage.

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Right.

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But everything that's happening down below is.

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Is really under control.

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And, and you, you hear it often, you hear people talk about the CIA basically is like, I don't give a shit who the president is.

00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:49.029
Right?

00:14:49.059 --> 00:14:50.754
We run the show, they work for us Yeah.

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We run the show.

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Totally.

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So it doesn't really matter.

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And I think that's kind of what, um, it might be the most fearful thing about him in the institution is that he's talking about those things right out in the open.

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Right.

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Saying those are the, those are the issues.

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So we're not gonna argue about abortion or guns or anything else.

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We're gonna argue about the fact that the state runs everything and is the centerpiece.

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Of everything that happens for anybody in the United States, you have to go get permission to do anything you want to do.

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And I think that's where he's, and, and by permission, I mean, not just government permission, but you, you basically have to run the gamut.

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You have to move your way through this gauntlet of things, whether it's.

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Uh, you're, you know, the corporate, you got to avoid the corporate crushing of somebody or you have to find your way through government institutions.

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Did you, uh, happen to see the clip, um, from South Park recently, navigating the American medical system?

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It's amazing.

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We're navigating the American medical system.

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Just like roadblock after roadblock.

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You got to go back and get an MRI and do this thing and go to

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imaging and then back to health insurance.

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It's incredible.

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Those guys nail it.

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Always.

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Yeah.

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But I think it's similar.

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I mean, I think that's what people feel.

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I think that's what they recognize is like your small business in America, your odds are so stacked against you, um, for any number of reasons.

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And it isn't because of your product or your people or your wages or your, your balance sheet.

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Many times you're just up against the Just getting started is hard enough.

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Right,

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right.

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Because now

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we've got a lot of regulations that, you know, when you hit five employees, now you have to have a retirement savings account or you're automatically placed into the state retirement savings account plan.

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Yeah.

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Or

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whatever.

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And the families and medical leave acts and.

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401ks.

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Minimum alternative

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wages.

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And

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yeah.

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And all those things, you know, while that works really well for a.

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Amazon or it works really well for a target.

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well, I guess as long as they have a bunch of basically entry level wage people running their distribution companies and stuff that aren't actually Amazon employees.

00:17:02.284 --> 00:17:03.325
Well, that happens too.

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Right.

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Um, yeah, you know, I, but all of that said, you know, those guys can compete because they're the ones sitting at the table writing the laws.

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Right.

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And they know that if they write the law, that little guy can't do it.

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He's not going to make it.

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Right.

00:17:17.184 --> 00:17:20.724
And I think that's, that's the part that Kennedy's talking about that's so.

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Compelling to me.

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And it's because as somebody who's spent my life in small business, I know those things are real, right?

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It's not like I'm, you know, it's not like somebody made it up and it's a giant conspiracy.

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I understand it.

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I deal with bureaucrats in real estate all the time.

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I understand it.

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I deal with bureaucrats, whether it's in the transportation business or whether it's.

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You've

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been navigating like the alcohol delivery industry in the last couple of years.

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Yeah.

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And which is all just.

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You know, everything is another hurdle and another person that doesn't want to answer the phone and doesn't reply to your email and doesn't

00:17:51.384 --> 00:17:54.305
give you a straight answer and can't give you the answer to this or can I not do this?

00:17:54.335 --> 00:17:55.005
Well, I don't know.

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Let's have it be a mystery until you get arrested.

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Yeah.

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Or a fine or whatever.

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Right.

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Put your lights out.

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Right.

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And no, no small business just walks around and it's just like, I'm just flush with cash.

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Looking for a place for money on the government ideas.

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You know, that's not

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how that is.

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Everybody's They're trying to work really hard to do what they're doing.

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And so when somebody comes along and says, actually, this is an issue and this is the major issue in the United States, it's just resonates with me.

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So tremendously more than whether we're going to talk about abortion or whether we're going to talk about gun control or, or any of those things, which are all things they're, they're not, I don't mean to be dismissive of those issues for people because we've been trained for 60 years to think that those are the issues.

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So I get it that it becomes a thing.

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But when I look out on the horizon and I look at like.

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Even today, when we're there in Congress, you have Dr.

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Fauci up there at making basically admissions that the stuff that he did was all built in a lab and all the stuff that was, we were told were, you know, the science and the, and the facts and, and everything else.

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And when you hear the questions and you realize like, actually, we just lied to by government, we were just blatantly lied to or misled because they were of gross negligence, which either one.

00:19:10.944 --> 00:19:11.875
Right.

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Still you get a demerit.

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Is a demerit to me.

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Yeah.

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It doesn't, it doesn't work.

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And so that is the most compelling piece of it.

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It's, what's really intriguing me about being a part of it.

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It's what I feel very compelled to be a part of that campaign trying to get signatures, I'm suck at it terrible.

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So you started to say there's two ways that.

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Yeah.

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So, um,

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I think if things break right and he goes in the right and things go the right direction and people get tired of the two kind of knuckleheads at the top and just can't handle it because Trump's in an orange, orange jumpsuit in jail or Biden can't string a sentence together at the convention or, or whatever, people actually realize what's the reason or rationale why they can't do it.

00:19:49.765 --> 00:19:51.414
He becomes a very sane choice for you

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think there could be a snowball effect on once it becomes socially acceptable to confess your willingness to vote

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for a third party, which is not a thing in the United States.

00:20:01.125 --> 00:20:01.934
We don't do it.

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So once he gets on, on the, all the ballots and people start to go like, really, we're, we're picking between.

00:20:08.414 --> 00:20:14.654
These two idiots, and there's a real rational person that maybe I don't agree with everything on, but at least he can string a sentence together.

00:20:15.005 --> 00:20:29.055
And at least he's got some capabilities, and at least he's actually had some production in his life in terms of actually doing things that actually have mattered, in terms of cleaning up the Hudson, or suing Monsanto, or all of these different things that have actually had real outcomes for people on the ground.

00:20:29.835 --> 00:20:33.305
If people are, allow themselves and give them the permission to say, well, you know what?

00:20:33.315 --> 00:20:35.605
I really don't care for either of these two things.

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And this thing he's talking about three out of four things that I actually really agree with.

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Yeah.

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What's the harm here compared to talking to either of these two, which I agree with nothing with them on other than they're in the party.

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That is my brand.

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Do you think that, um, the party apparatus, the, the, the, the Uniparty, if you will, is the bigger party problem in the US right now, or is it the, the bureaucracy, the, the swamp?

00:21:03.559 --> 00:21:07.150
And do you think RFK's got the stones to drain the swamp?

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Cause Trump obviously got the money.

00:21:09.630 --> 00:21:10.980
Distracted or something.

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Well, I, here's the thing.

00:21:13.109 --> 00:21:15.579
I don't think it actually takes stones to drain the swamp.

00:21:16.019 --> 00:21:28.220
I think it takes knowledge because when I work in bureaucratic world in real estate, if I don't know the rules better than they know their own rules, I can't accomplish anything.

00:21:29.029 --> 00:21:34.859
When I know the rules better than they do, I can win or as good or as well, then I can actually make my,

00:21:34.950 --> 00:21:41.990
so Kennedy's background in law fighting government, fighting Monsanto, fighting the insiders is really his qualifier.

00:21:42.029 --> 00:21:52.474
Yeah, what, what I think Trump is, is, is he's kind of like the bad guy in 1984, the antithesis to that, who's the guy that's, I can't remember his name, but he's the guy that they put up and he does terrible things.

00:21:52.585 --> 00:22:06.815
Two minutes hate because he talks about the things that nobody should be hearing and everybody screams and gnashes their teeth at him That's kind of trump because he really if you ask The democrats have raised a tremendous amount of money off of their hatred of trump, right?

00:22:06.875 --> 00:22:11.555
I mean Oh, yeah, orange man bad sells tickets orange man bad sells tickets.

00:22:11.555 --> 00:22:16.875
Exactly and orange mad orange man bad also Keeps them in power.

00:22:17.075 --> 00:22:17.434
Totally.

00:22:17.434 --> 00:22:18.394
I mean, because it's, people

00:22:18.394 --> 00:22:20.825
show up to the voting booth because Orange man, bad.

00:22:21.065 --> 00:22:21.335
Yeah.

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So I think Or mailing their ballot, whatever.

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So I

00:22:23.194 --> 00:22:41.269
think they, yeah, So I think that's actually a piece of the story that I don't think gets enough credit, which is that he, his sort of wrecking ball personality in this was just enough to make everybody go, well he's not gonna do anything, but we can really make everybody crazy over this guy right.

00:22:42.045 --> 00:22:49.184
Where I think Kennedy actually comes in rationally and calmly and basically says, well, I know my, I know the rules better than you do.

00:22:49.194 --> 00:22:51.694
And I think the debate thing is a great example of that.

00:22:52.234 --> 00:22:55.134
You know, Biden says, here's the rules I want for the debate.

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Trump immediately signs up and says, yes, they put it out there.

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Kennedy meets all of the criteria.

00:23:01.944 --> 00:23:08.994
In the, in the unique moment that CNN went out and copied and pasted the September rules.

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Mm-Hmm.

00:23:09.505 --> 00:23:09.654
and

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put it in and said that you had to have 200, these will be these, these will be the rules.

00:23:14.154 --> 00:23:14.365
Two.

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And they said you had to have 270, uh, electoral votes, at least in order on beyond the ballots of at least 270 just states to, to compile.

00:23:23.984 --> 00:23:24.974
Its 270 votes.

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So you could theoretically win.

00:23:26.654 --> 00:23:26.954
Right.

00:23:27.285 --> 00:23:28.365
But the reality is, is.

00:23:28.690 --> 00:23:32.529
Trump is not the nominee because they haven't had their convention and neither is Biden.

00:23:32.559 --> 00:23:34.779
So neither one of them is on the, on the ballots.

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Right.

00:23:35.089 --> 00:23:44.019
So he sues, Kennedy sues CNN in order to get on based on their rules that they wrote and he says it's an FCC contract or FEC contract.

00:23:44.380 --> 00:23:57.019
Federal Election Commission says you can't put rules out and then disqualify somebody for not being on the, if they meet those rules, you can't disqualify from them for that or it's a campaign finance violation because you're giving them advertising.

00:23:57.140 --> 00:23:57.579
Right.

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So he sues them on that basis.

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That's brilliant right and that's smart and that's inside baseball and that takes that's a really

00:24:05.180 --> 00:24:06.059
and so do you think he's gonna be on?

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The stage with CNN Or they change the rules and they do what they

00:24:09.734 --> 00:24:09.955
want.

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Who knows, but the great part of that, he did sue him, and the great part is he said, you know, look, I know they're not going to be on the ballots, but I would gladly and graciously invite them in to and waive that qualification.

00:24:19.299 --> 00:24:21.240
Haha, hilarious.

00:24:21.710 --> 00:24:23.500
But that's what it's going to take.

00:24:23.519 --> 00:24:35.529
I mean, I think Trump is just truly enough of a person in the mix that people just go, I'm just bananas over this guy, I hate him, I can't stand him, he's so vitriolic and he says terrible things and he's mean and he's all this stuff.

00:24:35.529 --> 00:24:35.839
Haha.

00:24:36.289 --> 00:24:41.990
But really, when you look at what happened in Washington over the four years of his administration, did anything really change?

00:24:42.019 --> 00:24:53.917
I mean, more money was spent in Washington than all of the presidents combined up to that point, you know, that he spent more money during that time, he had no instincts at actually protecting even before COVID

00:24:53.917 --> 00:24:55.006
even before

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COVID yes.

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And, you know, short

00:24:56.799 --> 00:24:58.599
of did very little to protect.

00:24:59.015 --> 00:25:04.325
Americans from the response to COVID that was seemingly orchestrated on a global basis.

00:25:04.375 --> 00:25:04.664
Yeah.

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And he, but he didn't stand up for what is the constitution.

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What great line from Kennedy is there is no, there is no pandemic exception in the constitution.

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And frankly, when they were writing it, there were, there was a smallpox outbreak and there was a yellow fever outbreak in the United States.

00:25:19.714 --> 00:25:23.464
And the, the founders were dealing with it with their own families dying at home.

00:25:24.134 --> 00:25:32.414
They didn't write any exceptions in there to say that you can't, except for when, when there's this wild time that everybody has to stay at home and, you know, we'll shut the country down.

00:25:32.414 --> 00:25:34.795
Everybody talks on computers that didn't happen like that.

00:25:34.815 --> 00:25:35.085
Then.

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So they knew and understood it.

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And, and Trump didn't defend that.

00:25:37.644 --> 00:25:44.224
And I think, I don't know that Trump really understands fully how many people like myself can't go back.

00:25:44.785 --> 00:25:50.434
You know, as much as I even thought at moments, gush, you know, he's doing some things and maybe the judges and the, the, whatever.

00:25:51.154 --> 00:25:52.065
I don't think there's any.

00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:53.960
There's no attraction backwards now.

00:25:53.980 --> 00:25:59.579
I can't, I can't find myself in a position to say, Yeah, well, I have to go vote for an R.

00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:09.220
Does the, uh, does his, um, recent trial, Uh, the, the, does that draw you at all?

00:26:09.470 --> 00:26:09.579
No.

00:26:09.579 --> 00:26:13.950
To be like, they're clearly using lawfare against him or whatever.

00:26:14.039 --> 00:26:14.289
Nah.

00:26:14.619 --> 00:26:14.950
Well.

00:26:14.960 --> 00:26:15.519
Doesn't matter.

00:26:15.559 --> 00:26:16.259
He brought, whatever.

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It's

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wrong.

00:26:17.224 --> 00:26:19.555
The lawfare use and weaponization of it.

00:26:19.585 --> 00:26:21.404
So even if Trump, but he lost you already.

00:26:21.404 --> 00:26:25.055
So, yeah, so, but he's, and I would say this about his trial.

00:26:25.055 --> 00:26:29.865
I mean, in relationship to that, he very well is most likely guilty.

00:26:29.865 --> 00:26:31.845
He's not nearly as honest as everybody wants to make it to.

00:26:32.055 --> 00:26:33.684
He's not a Jesus figure in this story.

00:26:33.765 --> 00:26:34.484
No, no, no, no.

00:26:34.494 --> 00:26:35.785
Everybody wants to try to make, did he

00:26:35.785 --> 00:26:36.325
pay off that

00:26:36.325 --> 00:26:36.974
hooker?

00:26:37.065 --> 00:26:38.255
Yes, he did.

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And his wife was pregnant.

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I mean, it's dirty, gross.

00:26:42.515 --> 00:26:46.244
Sad, awful humanity moment where you're like, uh, yuck.

00:26:46.785 --> 00:26:53.744
So nothing of my character would ever indicate that that's how the life I would want to live, nor would it be the one that I would want represented to my children.

00:26:53.755 --> 00:26:53.964
Right,

00:26:53.964 --> 00:26:54.224
right.

00:26:54.265 --> 00:26:57.285
So yeah, is he probably guilty of what he did?

00:26:57.295 --> 00:26:57.595
Yes.

00:26:57.615 --> 00:26:59.845
The problem is the unequal application of the law.

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Totally.

00:27:00.615 --> 00:27:04.144
You don't have that for Bill Clinton, who paid off Paula Jones.

00:27:04.154 --> 00:27:05.684
You don't have it for I think Hillary

00:27:05.684 --> 00:27:10.065
Clinton paid for that like fake, uh, Russiagate thing out of her campaign contribution.

00:27:10.375 --> 00:27:14.084
Totally, the dossier 8, 000 or something silly.

00:27:14.084 --> 00:27:14.740
There's no

00:27:14.740 --> 00:27:16.865
way, there's no equal application of the law.

00:27:17.355 --> 00:27:20.194
And frankly, polarization happens when there isn't that.

00:27:20.234 --> 00:27:25.660
And that's what's really going on, is that there are people who just feel like Gosh, this, this isn't fair.

00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:32.390
Like I, I, I resonate with him and I kind of go with what's happening to him because it happens all too often.

00:27:32.400 --> 00:27:32.680
That's

00:27:32.710 --> 00:27:33.609
the challenge.

00:27:33.650 --> 00:27:50.279
Like, I think Kennedy can draw a lot of support from Biden and if he gets this message out, certainly there's some disaffected Trump people, you know, frankly, the fact that Trump can brag about operation warp speed at the same time that three quarters of his base was like, fuck your vaccine.

00:27:50.329 --> 00:27:50.619
Yeah.

00:27:50.859 --> 00:27:52.444
Um, like that's it.

00:27:52.964 --> 00:28:08.265
A very difficult resonance thing where certainly, um, Kennedy can pick up some of that support for sure, but there's 35 percent or 30 percent or something of Americans that are like, I don't care if Trump, Trump shoots somebody in the middle of Times Square.

00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:09.470
He's my man.

00:28:09.680 --> 00:28:10.160
Yeah.

00:28:10.309 --> 00:28:10.880
And um,

00:28:10.940 --> 00:28:18.744
and on some level I suppose he's in endeared himself to people enough that, that, that sort of like crazy man thing right into the movement kind of thing.

00:28:18.744 --> 00:28:21.079
The bully puncher totally kind of thing.

00:28:21.079 --> 00:28:24.769
He, he, he's endeared himself to enough people that that's always gonna be there.

00:28:24.769 --> 00:28:33.490
But I do think, frankly and kind of moving all the way through that second way in which Kennedy can win it only, he only needs to get a majority in every state.

00:28:33.904 --> 00:28:38.305
Which means if you have three people running, that's 35%, 34%.

00:28:38.575 --> 00:28:38.765
Right.

00:28:38.974 --> 00:28:39.924
That becomes the majority.

00:28:39.924 --> 00:28:41.865
And then that's winner take all for the electoral college.

00:28:41.865 --> 00:28:44.914
For most states, Nebraska and Maine are the only two that are not.

00:28:45.065 --> 00:28:45.964
Oh, they're proportional.

00:28:46.045 --> 00:28:47.724
They're proportional, but everything

00:28:47.724 --> 00:28:48.335
else.

00:28:48.535 --> 00:28:48.724
Yeah.

00:28:48.724 --> 00:28:51.835
I mean, if Trump gets 35 and Biden gets 20.

00:28:52.470 --> 00:28:55.400
Um, that's the least 45 for Kennedy, right?

00:28:55.400 --> 00:29:01.470
Or for Kennedy plus whatever the Jill Stein or whoever else is 1%.

00:29:01.470 --> 00:29:01.910
Yeah.

00:29:02.369 --> 00:29:03.599
What about that pick?

00:29:03.829 --> 00:29:04.799
Oh my gosh.

00:29:05.150 --> 00:29:07.289
Is the Libertarian Party officially over?

00:29:07.539 --> 00:29:08.009
Please.

00:29:09.829 --> 00:29:16.309
I just, uh, it's so perfect on so many ways.

00:29:16.309 --> 00:29:27.615
I, I, I love, I love, I A lot of those ideas, I mean, Hayek and Friedman, Mises, whatever, and, and all of those guys, Rothbard, I mean, they're just fascinating reads.

00:29:27.615 --> 00:29:28.795
They're great philosophers.

00:29:28.795 --> 00:29:29.904
It's wonderful to read.

00:29:30.595 --> 00:29:43.214
And this caucus that sort of worked its way through the libertarian side of things in the Mises caucus, which really was the coalescence around the Ron Paul revolution within that deal, they really do have the better ideas.

00:29:44.045 --> 00:30:09.015
But the end of this is just, you know, Most, the most just desserts of all time for somebody in the sense that they, they do, there's an arrogance about what they think, because they really do think that they're the smartest people around totally in relationship because they've read all these guys and they know it and they know it like the back of their hand and they can quote it, but it, you know, the 800 people in that room for, it turns out only about 400 of them cared about it.

00:30:09.345 --> 00:30:09.775
Right.

00:30:10.154 --> 00:30:11.625
And so the rest is like.

00:30:12.059 --> 00:30:16.970
Well, none of the above almost won in that particular instance.

00:30:16.970 --> 00:30:28.039
And it, it really was a, the way they did their party thing in terms of how the votes actually ended up happening, it was a basic elimination of all candidates except the top two over and over again.

00:30:29.490 --> 00:30:33.039
should RFK have been courting the libertarians far sooner?

00:30:33.339 --> 00:30:33.809
No,

00:30:34.019 --> 00:30:36.023
no, I don't, I don't think it matches up.

00:30:36.023 --> 00:30:36.967
And I also don't

00:30:36.967 --> 00:30:39.087
think that they were going to go there anyway.

00:30:39.087 --> 00:30:41.209
They really, he does want to use the, the,

00:30:41.209 --> 00:30:47.190
the, the, the government to do stuff to a significant extent, not this free range kind of libertarian model.

00:30:47.380 --> 00:30:49.539
Well, and, and I keep coming back to the idea that But not

00:30:49.539 --> 00:30:50.460
make you do stuff.

00:30:50.460 --> 00:30:53.319
Like, that's the thing I, like, he wants to see Government can do something.

00:30:53.430 --> 00:30:59.450
Like, health outcomes improve, nutrition, like, what's the sources of all these diseases?

00:30:59.660 --> 00:31:11.565
Why do we need 74 vaccinations that, you know, from companies that are immune to prosecution or Testing apparently for these vaccinations, you know, all those questions, I think are valid.

00:31:11.744 --> 00:31:11.924
Yeah.

00:31:12.295 --> 00:31:17.464
And I don't think he's standing there saying that government, um, shouldn't do any of it.

00:31:17.634 --> 00:31:17.924
Right.

00:31:18.315 --> 00:31:30.630
I think his premise is If you're going to have government, it should be good government, which is really sort of left over from British Empire, Magna Carta stuff, like government should be good.

00:31:30.630 --> 00:31:31.500
If you're going to have it.

00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:32.259
Right.

00:31:32.279 --> 00:31:39.880
And, and I think that's the, that's where I've landed on it as well for a minute is like, we're not, we're never going to live in a world in which no government exists.

00:31:39.970 --> 00:31:42.960
There's too much money to be made by manipulation of it.

00:31:43.140 --> 00:31:43.450
Yeah.

00:31:43.450 --> 00:31:48.369
And, and frankly, there's too many conflicts and too many complex and too many people.

00:31:48.380 --> 00:31:51.140
I mean, you lived in a thousand, a land of a thousand,

00:31:51.269 --> 00:31:53.670
like, yeah, maybe Alaska.

00:31:53.859 --> 00:31:54.079
Yeah.

00:31:54.079 --> 00:31:55.779
Maybe maybe you go.

00:31:55.829 --> 00:31:56.039
Yeah.

00:31:56.039 --> 00:31:56.240
If you

00:31:56.240 --> 00:32:01.470
live in Unalakleet, Alaska, it's probably not going to, you're probably not going to find a lot of federal invasion in your life anyway.

00:32:01.529 --> 00:32:01.829
Right.

00:32:02.190 --> 00:32:06.079
But in the normal world, if we're going to have it, it might as well be good.

00:32:06.359 --> 00:32:09.099
And I think that's the advocation that he's making.

00:32:09.099 --> 00:32:10.640
And it makes some sense to me.

00:32:10.640 --> 00:32:12.839
I mean, on some, some deep level, that's really good.

00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:25.250
And I think, you know, that's where the, the Trump stuff is his advocacy for go smash it all down and drain the swamp and do all of this stuff functionally never happened.

00:32:25.529 --> 00:32:30.250
You know, truthfully, like Obama built more wall than Trump did.

00:32:31.230 --> 00:32:34.660
I mean, technically there's, he didn't function.

00:32:34.970 --> 00:32:38.259
Uh, as anybody in that space, other than to help Democrats raise

00:32:38.690 --> 00:32:43.589
money, part of it was, he was just assaulted from a shit storm from all sides.

00:32:43.589 --> 00:32:44.569
Yeah, well,

00:32:44.569 --> 00:32:56.910
and he didn't, he never really, his base, his, his unique portion of his base, the 30 percent or let's call it 55 percent of Republicans that really love him and adore him.

00:32:57.009 --> 00:32:57.279
Yeah.

00:32:57.720 --> 00:32:59.170
Um, and which is really about.

00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:01.930
Twenty five percent of the population.

00:33:01.930 --> 00:33:02.130
Yeah.

00:33:02.170 --> 00:33:02.450
Yeah.

00:33:02.500 --> 00:33:04.730
So there's a lot of independence out there these days.

00:33:04.809 --> 00:33:05.059
Yeah.

00:33:05.059 --> 00:33:08.349
Well, there's more now than ever before It's the largest political party in the United States.

00:33:08.450 --> 00:33:09.400
All right independent party,

00:33:09.420 --> 00:33:09.740
right?

00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:13.720
So, you know, you just I don't think he really is just do that.

00:33:13.869 --> 00:33:17.250
Yeah, you would think like You'd think it would make a difference.

00:33:17.269 --> 00:33:29.045
No, it's just for branding most most people If you did a survey of people, three out of four Americans would agree on the same things we, we should have the SIM, these things that are a part of less than

00:33:29.055 --> 00:33:33.125
280 military bases around the world or 700 or whatever it is, there is,

00:33:33.565 --> 00:33:50.244
we should not be in foreign wars, we should, we should probably watch our spending, we should probably have realistic balanced budget amendment, we should have realistic things about what you do with a middle class, we should be restoring the middle class, we should be doing things about trying to continue and continue Keep jobs in the United States.

00:33:50.244 --> 00:33:55.085
We should be doing what we can in order to be, you know, as clean as we can with the environment.

00:33:55.095 --> 00:33:58.994
Fixing blighted areas and stuff like investing in inner cities and things.

00:33:59.434 --> 00:34:04.444
Most people agree to that, even, even some of the most diehard.

00:34:04.460 --> 00:34:06.819
But like, I'm a big pro libertarian guy.

00:34:06.819 --> 00:34:14.010
I'm going to be like, Hey, look, we're, we have a government, so if we're going to do it, we probably ought to figure this out, you know?

00:34:14.369 --> 00:34:20.070
Um, and, and so I think that's, I think that's a part of what is intriguing about the moment.

00:34:20.070 --> 00:34:21.579
And I think it's partially how he can win too.

00:34:21.579 --> 00:34:28.775
If he gets enough people, gets those majorities in enough states, if he's able to win, Anybody fails to get 270 electoral votes.

00:34:29.065 --> 00:34:29.235
Yeah.

00:34:29.235 --> 00:34:30.255
If nobody gets 270,

00:34:30.264 --> 00:34:36.485
nobody gets 270, then it does go to the house, which is the second way I think he can win, which is that he becomes the compromise.

00:34:36.795 --> 00:34:37.894
He becomes the position.

00:34:37.925 --> 00:34:38.235
The house

00:34:38.235 --> 00:34:39.704
is basically like 50, 50, right?

00:34:39.715 --> 00:34:40.155
And it is

00:34:40.195 --> 00:34:42.045
it's whoever the house is at the time.

00:34:42.074 --> 00:34:42.875
Oh, and the.

00:34:43.054 --> 00:34:43.855
The new election.

00:34:43.864 --> 00:34:46.985
So it will be after the election because they swear in first.

00:34:47.724 --> 00:34:48.195
Yeah.

00:34:48.215 --> 00:34:48.914
So who knows?

00:34:48.925 --> 00:34:49.394
Right.

00:34:49.465 --> 00:34:50.144
It could be.

00:34:50.175 --> 00:34:50.344
Yeah.

00:34:50.344 --> 00:34:52.065
Well Trump dragged people down.

00:34:52.295 --> 00:34:53.525
You know, they're anticipated.

00:34:53.525 --> 00:35:00.175
I think the Republicans have like the numbers like there's a lot more Democratic seats up for contest than otherwise,

00:35:00.434 --> 00:35:00.775
but.

00:35:01.230 --> 00:35:04.460
You know, you have that piece of it tied

00:35:04.469 --> 00:35:07.699
to this orange man bad efficiently and whatever.

00:35:07.710 --> 00:35:08.010
Yeah.

00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:09.380
So anyway, there's

00:35:09.380 --> 00:35:10.769
a couple of ways that I think it could happen.

00:35:10.769 --> 00:35:11.829
So it's legitimate.

00:35:11.869 --> 00:35:12.710
I think it could happen.

00:35:12.710 --> 00:35:17.130
I think I'm, I hold out hope that, um, he stays in as long as possible and has his,

00:35:17.730 --> 00:35:18.460
he wants to win.

00:35:18.460 --> 00:35:19.170
What's the downside of it?

00:35:19.179 --> 00:35:19.800
There's no downside.

00:35:19.860 --> 00:35:26.429
Yeah, no, it's clear in listening to him that he thinks that, The stars are aligned in such a way that it's probably going to work out.

00:35:27.590 --> 00:35:33.199
You know, maybe not probably, but it has a real calling toward this is my time and my place.

00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:34.199
Uh, so

00:35:34.239 --> 00:35:39.570
yeah, if, if people haven't watched the, who is Bobby Kennedy half hour deal that they did, um, it's fantastic.

00:35:39.610 --> 00:35:47.239
And it it's, well, it's a political ad and a political commercial to some degree it's paid for by the super PAC that supports him.

00:35:47.829 --> 00:35:50.010
It really does get into who he is and what he's done.

00:35:50.019 --> 00:35:53.070
And, you know, from, for most of my life, RFK Jr.

00:35:53.070 --> 00:35:58.994
has been a like head of that whole world in the democratic world.

00:35:59.364 --> 00:36:05.275
He's been lionized in many ways for all the work that he's done in, in with the environment and all the other stuff.

00:36:05.324 --> 00:36:08.074
Well, and then we can transition to our second topic.

00:36:08.074 --> 00:36:23.635
Now, um, his book, like that's where you got bigger stones is the real Anthony Fauci book, probably more stones than wisdom because, uh, like he got, he was swept into the poop storm from there and that swept him off of his high place.

00:36:23.949 --> 00:36:27.380
Yeah, of appreciation among those circles before

00:36:27.619 --> 00:36:36.159
certainly between that and his his commentary around vaccines over the years That is really what turned him into for some for so many.

00:36:36.170 --> 00:36:37.639
He became a pariah.

00:36:37.650 --> 00:36:39.230
Yeah villain eyes rather instead

00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:47.789
Yeah, and I and Anthony Fauci You know You know, he is the science, so there isn't really any way to have an argument about it.

00:36:47.800 --> 00:36:56.539
And, and sadly, you know, that's what we, that's what we've become as a country is that you can't, a person like that, who's been a bureaucrat in Washington for 50 plus years.

00:36:57.565 --> 00:36:58.304
He's highest paid.

00:36:58.485 --> 00:37:00.195
He's the highest paid bureaucrat in Washington.

00:37:01.534 --> 00:37:02.675
You can't question it.

00:37:03.195 --> 00:37:04.394
You're not allowed to question it.

00:37:04.434 --> 00:37:06.534
You're not allowed to ask deeper questions.

00:37:06.554 --> 00:37:15.864
And even, even if you wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt for, let's call it 15 days or two months, was he sort of guided people through this?

00:37:15.894 --> 00:37:18.255
Because he's the chief virologist, right?

00:37:18.255 --> 00:37:18.494
Right.

00:37:18.875 --> 00:37:25.275
Even if you wanted to do that, at some point, empirical data has to be analyzed in order to decide whether it is science or not.

00:37:25.724 --> 00:37:34.485
This sort of You know, on high order that everyone, yeah, that everyone needs to comply with public health or else, you know,

00:37:34.775 --> 00:37:37.965
well, we measured it and six feet is the number.

00:37:38.175 --> 00:37:38.554
Right.

00:37:38.554 --> 00:37:40.385
You know, you

00:37:40.385 --> 00:37:42.235
ask him about it and he says, well, we kind of just.

00:37:42.445 --> 00:37:43.284
Pulled it out of the air.

00:37:44.065 --> 00:37:45.454
Now, it doesn't make some sense.

00:37:45.454 --> 00:38:01.224
I suppose that you could stand away from each other and not make each other as sick, sure, whatever, but that doesn't necessarily mean that, that we had to create an entire global policy around locking a country down and keeping people away and shutting down businesses and keeping kids out of school.

00:38:01.224 --> 00:38:06.335
And that's the stuff that on so many levels, that's the problem.

00:38:06.335 --> 00:38:06.534
And just the

00:38:06.804 --> 00:38:07.905
perverse incentive, right?

00:38:07.905 --> 00:38:10.414
Like what was the number that was just released?

00:38:10.425 --> 00:38:13.304
Is it 700 million?

00:38:13.784 --> 00:38:16.204
Of royalties paid to

00:38:16.565 --> 00:38:17.155
NIH.

00:38:17.224 --> 00:38:17.594
Yeah.

00:38:17.625 --> 00:38:18.164
Yeah.

00:38:18.295 --> 00:38:19.014
It's a lot of money.

00:38:19.184 --> 00:38:19.724
Yeah.

00:38:20.195 --> 00:38:20.715
It's a lot of money.

00:38:21.164 --> 00:38:26.264
And they don't, and by law, and Fauci said it in a testimony today, by law they don't have to disclose their royalties.

00:38:26.724 --> 00:38:27.014
Right.

00:38:27.054 --> 00:38:28.215
If you work for the government.

00:38:28.585 --> 00:38:30.005
So just think that through.

00:38:30.664 --> 00:38:31.905
No one else gets this.

00:38:31.965 --> 00:38:32.244
Right.

00:38:32.255 --> 00:38:34.135
No one else gets to have this benefit.

00:38:34.434 --> 00:38:35.394
You work for the government.

00:38:35.394 --> 00:38:40.514
If you work in NIH and you work on a product, you do not have to disclose your royalties neither on your income statement.

00:38:40.804 --> 00:38:44.414
So you don't have to pay taxes on it and you don't have to disclose it for FOIA.

00:38:45.409 --> 00:38:46.420
It's fuck off.

00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:47.090
Totally.

00:38:47.789 --> 00:38:47.869
I mean,

00:38:48.269 --> 00:38:48.679
that's the law.

00:38:48.679 --> 00:38:49.170
What's to keep the

00:38:49.179 --> 00:38:49.469
bad

00:38:49.469 --> 00:38:52.469
guys from creating bugs that they get the profits from making

00:38:52.570 --> 00:38:53.230
vaccines?

00:38:53.300 --> 00:38:53.619
Oh wait.

00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:54.130
Oh wait.

00:38:54.130 --> 00:38:54.500
Sorry.

00:38:56.280 --> 00:38:58.039
It's, it's disappointing.

00:38:58.210 --> 00:39:07.364
And it's, and it's, from a rationalist perspective, you listen to it and go, this is, this doesn't make sense as to why some get to get away with making vaccines.

00:39:09.965 --> 00:39:14.784
But that's where the division comes in in America is that there's just not equal.

00:39:14.875 --> 00:39:17.014
The whole rules for the not for me kind of

00:39:17.025 --> 00:39:18.295
mentality is there aren't

00:39:18.364 --> 00:39:19.855
men made of better clay.

00:39:20.494 --> 00:39:21.034
There aren't.

00:39:21.295 --> 00:39:21.594
Yeah.

00:39:21.724 --> 00:39:27.514
And so if there aren't men made of better clay, then there aren't men that get to decide who those who is better and who isn't.

00:39:27.574 --> 00:39:27.855
Yeah.

00:39:28.284 --> 00:39:36.385
And that's where we landed is that there were some that said, because of my wisdom and education and my position and everything else, I get to tell everybody else how to live their life.

00:39:36.405 --> 00:39:42.614
And I also get to say to the detriment of those people, you get out, you're out of business, you're

00:39:42.614 --> 00:39:42.864
done.

00:39:42.934 --> 00:39:43.284
Sorry.

00:39:43.304 --> 00:39:43.614
You know,

00:39:44.494 --> 00:39:44.824
here's some,

00:39:45.014 --> 00:39:45.344
here's some

00:39:45.355 --> 00:39:47.954
look how well I handled the HIV thing.

00:39:48.445 --> 00:39:49.405
Listen to me and

00:39:49.405 --> 00:39:50.304
bow down.

00:39:50.715 --> 00:39:50.864
It's.

00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:52.670
It's really weird.

00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:56.199
I mean, and there's been movies made about the, the darkness of that guy.

00:39:56.199 --> 00:40:00.800
The Lincoln lawyer is all about AIDS people trying to be able to buy generic drugs.

00:40:01.420 --> 00:40:02.869
I mean, he stopped that,

00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:03.269
right?

00:40:03.460 --> 00:40:06.900
He was the, he is the head of that department that stopped all of those things.

00:40:06.900 --> 00:40:09.699
And, and, you know, as this will make people mad, I'm certain.

00:40:09.699 --> 00:40:13.389
Cause he's a very venerated character in our world.

00:40:13.389 --> 00:40:15.340
And I, I'm sure, you know, so

00:40:15.340 --> 00:40:19.219
if you love Fauci, then you can just fuck off and not listen to this podcast anymore.

00:40:19.699 --> 00:40:20.190
How's that?

00:40:21.420 --> 00:40:23.835
Welcome to the loco experience.

00:40:23.835 --> 00:40:24.802
No, I

00:40:24.802 --> 00:40:26.251
just, it's sad.

00:40:26.251 --> 00:40:31.989
It's, it's sad to me that you can't question your own government at some point, that becomes the issue for me.

00:40:32.289 --> 00:40:32.590
Do you think

00:40:32.590 --> 00:40:37.130
he was doing his best or do you think he knew that he had been compromised, was probably guilty?

00:40:37.170 --> 00:40:40.900
The, in some fashion of funding this stuff that got away, you know,

00:40:40.909 --> 00:40:53.829
in part of the testimony they talked about, and it wasn't Fauci, but in this, in this world of testimony, they're talking about, they, there was somebody yesterday that was talking about FOIA requests and they had a lady from FOIA teaching them how to avoid.

00:40:54.224 --> 00:40:56.054
FOIA requests or make it harder.

00:40:56.585 --> 00:40:57.315
That's bull.

00:40:57.715 --> 00:40:58.074
Right.

00:40:58.094 --> 00:40:59.364
You know, this is nobody gets.

00:40:59.364 --> 00:40:59.864
Freedom of

00:40:59.864 --> 00:41:00.925
information act.

00:41:01.125 --> 00:41:02.195
Nobody gets to do this.

00:41:02.605 --> 00:41:03.474
Like nobody

00:41:03.505 --> 00:41:07.945
gets the access at the FOIA person to find out how to skirt around the rules.

00:41:07.994 --> 00:41:08.385
Right.

00:41:08.795 --> 00:41:10.074
That's not what the bank

00:41:10.074 --> 00:41:13.275
examiners teaching you how to cook the books without them noticing.

00:41:13.474 --> 00:41:13.755
Right.

00:41:13.784 --> 00:41:14.295
Or whatever.

00:41:14.414 --> 00:41:17.355
Moody's review lady and the big short, right?

00:41:17.375 --> 00:41:20.025
Like you can't do this.

00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:31.329
And you can't keep doing it to people and then expect them on the other side of it to just be like, okay, I guess that's good government, you know, like at some point people get pissed, people get frustrated.

00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:38.949
And what I, I probably, you know, all the way back to it, what I resonate most with it is that this is not an angry person.

00:41:39.610 --> 00:41:41.230
Uh, Kennedy is not an angry person.

00:41:41.550 --> 00:41:43.179
Yeah, he's a righteous person.

00:41:43.179 --> 00:41:49.360
Like, I think he looks at this and says, there's righteousness, injustice has been done and we need to do something about it.

00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:49.965
Yeah.

00:41:50.284 --> 00:41:55.034
But he's not coming from a, a burn it down vitriol type of, he's not that person.

00:41:55.034 --> 00:41:55.414
He hasn't been

00:41:55.414 --> 00:41:56.864
harmed in his opinion really.

00:41:56.864 --> 00:42:01.148
I mean, even despite being banned and blocked and dragged through the mud.

00:42:01.148 --> 00:42:01.644
He thinks this is the

00:42:01.644 --> 00:42:05.974
life that, this is the life that God set out for in front of him and so he's comfortable with it.

00:42:06.014 --> 00:42:06.284
Yep.

00:42:06.764 --> 00:42:07.445
Where's my bib?

00:42:07.695 --> 00:42:08.255
I'm ready.

00:42:08.405 --> 00:42:08.744
Yeah.

00:42:08.795 --> 00:42:09.885
Like get back at it.

00:42:10.164 --> 00:42:10.375
Give me

00:42:10.375 --> 00:42:11.394
those lobster crackers.

00:42:14.195 --> 00:42:14.925
Go back at it.

00:42:14.934 --> 00:42:18.625
So yeah, very, very fascinating times in politics.

00:42:18.655 --> 00:42:26.565
I think America will be better for it if this plays out, like I hope it does, which is that there's very large disruption in politics.

00:42:26.695 --> 00:42:26.715
Yeah.

00:42:26.715 --> 00:42:26.974
Enough

00:42:27.014 --> 00:42:30.204
chaos that nobody really is a clear majority is probably the ideal.

00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:30.929
Yeah.

00:42:30.929 --> 00:42:31.349
Outcome.

00:42:31.389 --> 00:42:37.789
That would be wonderful because then I think it does, it begs all these questions about our system, about what are we doing and how do we do this?

00:42:37.789 --> 00:42:40.619
And we're not a democracy, we're a representative republic and

00:42:41.019 --> 00:42:41.159
we're

00:42:41.159 --> 00:42:49.239
all these bigger questions about what's the electoral college and you know, it'll, it'll foment to be a place in which people will get agitated and angry.

00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:53.500
But at the end of the day, I think they would realize like there's some wisdom in how this all happened.

00:42:53.659 --> 00:42:54.139
Yeah, yeah.

00:42:54.139 --> 00:42:56.840
And really this, the way they wrote it and set it up.

00:42:57.164 --> 00:43:10.244
Did it before, you know, 1800 was a, a really, Jefferson called it the second revolution in the United States, which was, he saw the thing as the Federalist Party and there were no parties prior to that.

00:43:10.244 --> 00:43:12.855
So you really had George Washington and John Adams.

00:43:12.855 --> 00:43:14.644
Both were from the Federalist Party.

00:43:14.994 --> 00:43:17.059
They didn't call the party.

00:43:17.059 --> 00:43:23.440
They just were called Federalists because they were in support of federalism, which was the stuff that came out of the Federalist Papers.

00:43:23.449 --> 00:43:24.929
So that's where the name came from.

00:43:24.929 --> 00:43:25.739
But they weren't a party.

00:43:25.739 --> 00:43:27.269
They were just politicians.

00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:30.300
And Jefferson served in that administration and Hamilton served in that administration.

00:43:30.989 --> 00:43:33.210
All of them, you know, they were all these founding fathers.

00:43:35.625 --> 00:43:48.644
And so when 1800 rolls around, you actually have Jefferson who resigns from the cabinet and in the Washington cabinet, he serves as Adams vice president and realizes that this is just broken.

00:43:48.764 --> 00:43:50.074
The whole thing doesn't work.

00:43:50.114 --> 00:43:50.755
We can't get.

00:43:50.815 --> 00:43:53.985
We have different ideas and you need competing ideas to make something happen.

00:43:54.485 --> 00:44:03.574
So he starts the Democratic Republican Party, gets enough people around him, Madison's mothers to sort of coalesce around him as a leader of that

00:44:03.574 --> 00:44:03.894
deal.

00:44:03.914 --> 00:44:04.775
I haven't read much about this.

00:44:04.784 --> 00:44:19.545
And they go to bat with Adams in 1800 over the, and that's, and Jefferson calls it the second American revolution because the idea of small, dumbing, shrinking federalism's power, which is what he was up, was frustrated.

00:44:19.545 --> 00:44:19.905
He was trying to

00:44:19.905 --> 00:44:20.125
do.

00:44:20.369 --> 00:44:21.579
He did not like the bank.

00:44:21.590 --> 00:44:23.809
He did not like Hamilton and what he had built.

00:44:23.869 --> 00:44:27.489
He did not like the power that was being coalesced around Washington.

00:44:27.860 --> 00:44:33.489
And he wanted, and it wasn't Washington at the time, it was, it was New York or whatever, but the capital city, he didn't like that.

00:44:33.500 --> 00:44:34.679
He didn't like what was going on.

00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:39.829
Government needed to be smaller in his opinion and states needed to be more elevated in that particular deal.

00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:43.440
That's what he, that's the idea he put forth, put it to the public.

00:44:43.710 --> 00:44:45.030
And he, and his.

00:44:45.380 --> 00:44:52.789
Group ended up winning and that's really where we get the party system interesting and and he called it the second American Revolution, huh?

00:44:53.235 --> 00:44:53.695
I did not realize.

00:44:53.695 --> 00:44:54.425
Without violence.

00:44:54.474 --> 00:44:54.905
Right.

00:44:55.054 --> 00:44:55.375
Right.

00:44:55.864 --> 00:45:01.445
Well, and then probably the federal system grew and grew and grew again after that.

00:45:01.465 --> 00:45:04.985
And then Jackson was really the next one to be like, yeah, we're not yucky.

00:45:04.985 --> 00:45:07.175
We got this federal bank system thing.

00:45:07.184 --> 00:45:07.885
It was back away.

00:45:07.894 --> 00:45:08.144
Yeah.

00:45:08.244 --> 00:45:08.445
Yeah.

00:45:08.445 --> 00:45:08.655
Yeah.

00:45:08.675 --> 00:45:08.844
Yeah.

00:45:08.855 --> 00:45:29.260
Well, and if you're Jefferson and your insistence on smaller government, and then you go back Buy the Louisiana purchase, double the size, real estate deal, but, uh, you're not really living, you know, it's, I don't think it's as it's, it's not as simple as what everyone wants to make it into this small government, a large government.

00:45:29.260 --> 00:45:30.585
And I think that's what I've realized by doing it.

00:45:30.735 --> 00:45:37.235
Going through this exercise by being a part of the Kennedy world is like, yeah, I think government is way too intrusive.

00:45:37.235 --> 00:45:43.364
And I think in the power that it's assigned because of bureaucratic, the bureaucratic institutions, that's too much.

00:45:43.704 --> 00:45:44.965
There's too much of that.

00:45:46.005 --> 00:45:49.965
Government in itself is what we choose to order ourselves by.

00:45:49.965 --> 00:45:52.644
So there is some natural inclination, no matter what.

00:45:53.070 --> 00:45:53.309
Right.

00:45:53.340 --> 00:45:55.489
To have government and to have it do something.

00:45:55.929 --> 00:46:02.690
So, so I think this, this world that we're in is that you, you can't just, you know, you can't be the libertarian party and say that.

00:46:03.409 --> 00:46:06.110
We live anarcho capitalists or whatever.

00:46:06.340 --> 00:46:08.019
Right, it's probably not going to happen.

00:46:08.409 --> 00:46:12.769
And, and really at the end of that is probably not that valuable, nor will it be healthy for society.

00:46:12.809 --> 00:46:23.244
Well, I think the big swing that I, like to see is from both financial and therefore power concentrations shifted to a more localized effort.

00:46:23.244 --> 00:46:23.614
Absolutely.

00:46:23.614 --> 00:46:24.054
Absolutely.

00:46:24.094 --> 00:46:32.664
Because like as a good example, like the Innosphere here locally won this huge whatever billion dollar federal grant and da, da, da.

00:46:32.664 --> 00:46:36.829
But it's ultimately Like you got to be in good favor with Washington, D.

00:46:36.829 --> 00:46:37.039
C.

00:46:37.050 --> 00:46:37.530
Yes, you do.

00:46:37.909 --> 00:46:38.469
Right.

00:46:38.639 --> 00:46:39.469
And yeah,

00:46:39.489 --> 00:46:40.420
Nixon made that happen.

00:46:40.460 --> 00:46:44.940
I mean, basically every dollar goes back to Washington and then comes back to you and they have to touch it.

00:46:45.489 --> 00:46:48.409
So it's really, it's really depressing.

00:46:48.409 --> 00:46:49.130
It's really sad.

00:46:49.130 --> 00:46:58.849
I mean, I did hear about a school in Windsor, um, a charter school in Windsor that had the opportunity to take a federal grant and there was a bunch of strings attached to it with the DEI stuff.

00:46:59.429 --> 00:47:00.210
And they.

00:47:00.505 --> 00:47:01.235
Declined it.

00:47:01.364 --> 00:47:06.105
They declined the grant as the school and the private donor came in and wrote a check for the grant money.

00:47:06.164 --> 00:47:06.704
Wow,

00:47:06.864 --> 00:47:07.664
which is cool.

00:47:07.695 --> 00:47:09.014
That's what we need to be doing.

00:47:09.014 --> 00:47:12.074
More of those stories need to be happening in the United States.

00:47:12.114 --> 00:47:15.585
There needs to be more of that idea that like we can do this.

00:47:16.125 --> 00:47:18.244
Don't need somebody's blessing in Washington.

00:47:18.295 --> 00:47:18.695
Totally.

00:47:18.945 --> 00:47:21.224
I don't need somebody to say yes to what we're doing.

00:47:21.244 --> 00:47:22.784
We want to do what we want to do.

00:47:22.989 --> 00:47:37.570
And there's that balance against like, there are national interests that we should probably recognize and understand that whether that's waterways, airways, whatever it is, there are things that we all live under that we should probably be conscientious of and

00:47:37.570 --> 00:47:38.739
have,

00:47:38.739 --> 00:47:40.829
and have some national interest in.

00:47:41.090 --> 00:47:41.530
Totally.

00:47:41.750 --> 00:47:44.679
But I don't know if you could have everything have national interest.

00:47:44.679 --> 00:47:44.969
Well,

00:47:44.969 --> 00:47:55.974
and if you have like too much, you know, national minimum wage, That gets really high, well then Alabama can't attract companies to Alabama because the wages are so much lower.

00:47:56.385 --> 00:47:57.795
Then Alabama just sucks.

00:47:58.005 --> 00:47:58.324
Yep.

00:47:58.715 --> 00:47:58.994
Right?

00:47:59.585 --> 00:48:00.695
You just got no competing advantages.

00:48:00.695 --> 00:48:01.275
This one size fits

00:48:01.275 --> 00:48:01.394
all.

00:48:01.394 --> 00:48:04.525
If you could see anything through COVID, it's this, that one size does not fit all.

00:48:04.525 --> 00:48:05.054
Totally.

00:48:05.355 --> 00:48:06.175
It doesn't work.

00:48:06.224 --> 00:48:09.554
You can't just say that this place is how it has to always happen.

00:48:09.554 --> 00:48:10.775
And this is what needs to happen.

00:48:10.775 --> 00:48:20.545
And, and, you know, I think this Trump's probably biggest mistake in the whole deal was that he allowed those people to convince him that one size does fit all.

00:48:20.974 --> 00:48:22.244
And this is how it has to be.

00:48:22.244 --> 00:48:23.244
And this is the end of it.

00:48:23.284 --> 00:48:27.875
And if you don't listen to us, then you really are not, you're not, you're antithetical to science.

00:48:31.885 --> 00:48:33.755
Hit it hard on the politics so far.

00:48:33.775 --> 00:48:39.655
Any, uh, anything else, current events or politics related we should touch on before we get more localized?

00:48:39.894 --> 00:48:49.894
Oh, no, I'm, I'm just, I think it's, I love politics on many levels, I think it's a great American game, but I always have to remind myself sometimes, like, go outside.

00:48:53.769 --> 00:49:03.639
It's, it's that I love that about America in, in, in many ways, the word that I think is I've learned this year that I like a lot is eudaimonia.

00:49:04.710 --> 00:49:07.340
Eudaimonia, which is a, a Latin word.

00:49:07.570 --> 00:49:22.769
Um, that is, um, about the idea that it's the pursuit of happiness and happiness is not things or, um, even your own internal sort of smiley ness.

00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:30.610
It's really about the help of others, the concern for others, the general feeling of goodness and welfare.

00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:31.880
Like community joy almost.

00:49:31.880 --> 00:49:32.150
Yeah.

00:49:32.150 --> 00:49:33.050
Community joy.

00:49:33.730 --> 00:49:39.530
And, and that comes from that there's more benefit for your neighbor when you are happy.

00:49:39.530 --> 00:49:39.545
Yeah.

00:49:40.114 --> 00:49:45.105
And that is, um, something that I really do hope for that we might become as a nation again.

00:49:45.204 --> 00:49:45.485
Yeah.

00:49:45.485 --> 00:49:45.815
Yeah.

00:49:45.815 --> 00:49:48.315
I think that is the aspiration we should have.

00:49:48.315 --> 00:49:52.614
And it's really what Jefferson meant in the, in the declaration when he said the pursuit of happiness.

00:49:52.614 --> 00:49:54.414
He, that's an Aristotle term.

00:49:54.545 --> 00:49:59.914
It's, it comes from Aristotle and it really is, uh, New Daimonia is a, is.

00:50:00.074 --> 00:50:00.664
Well, and

00:50:01.244 --> 00:50:02.114
I want to tie that back.

00:50:02.125 --> 00:50:02.574
It's Latin, it's Greek.

00:50:02.614 --> 00:50:03.094
I'm sorry.

00:50:03.215 --> 00:50:10.074
I want to tie that back because when you were talking about like, You know, they, they want to talk about gun control or abortion or whatever.

00:50:10.454 --> 00:50:13.465
I was thinking like, to me, a federal government has.

00:50:13.530 --> 00:50:19.280
And I think that's a role in the abortion conversation because I, I frankly prefer it in the state's kind of realm.

00:50:19.280 --> 00:50:21.320
They can reflect different cultures and stuff.

00:50:22.250 --> 00:50:39.909
But if the federal government has a role, it's in creating a society that values unborn children and wants less so to have, I mean, like the actions that lead to abortions there, I'm sure they're pleasurable, but they're not eudaimonia.

00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:49.510
You know, they are instead like kind of the actions that, that the, the Bible speaks that are, warns about.

00:50:50.230 --> 00:51:00.655
Well, and culturally speaking, um, you can't have eudaimonia without knowing that the golden rule of loving your neighbor as yourself.

00:51:00.844 --> 00:51:10.315
Love is the key to the whole conversation and really any of the cultural issues that we face, guns, abortion, whatever, environment.

00:51:10.375 --> 00:51:15.244
I'm sorry, but little boys in my house is what makes me happy, Aaron.

00:51:16.065 --> 00:51:16.864
Sorry, just kidding.

00:51:18.755 --> 00:51:23.034
How could you be the judge of how I get my eudaimonia?

00:51:23.565 --> 00:51:24.045
Just kidding.

00:51:24.045 --> 00:51:24.764
I

00:51:24.764 --> 00:51:26.985
love the idea that you have to love your neighbor as yourself.

00:51:27.489 --> 00:51:35.000
And I, and that if, if it's just self gratification then this, this might be the culture we're Yeah, or something that harms others, obviously.

00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:35.780
Anything like that.

00:51:35.849 --> 00:51:36.079
Yeah.

00:51:36.119 --> 00:51:38.739
This may be the culture we're, we're left with because we didn't do that.

00:51:38.940 --> 00:51:39.070
Hmm.

00:51:39.099 --> 00:51:39.920
We didn't strive for that.

00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:43.929
We strove for things that were about filling our own buckets first.

00:51:44.500 --> 00:51:45.280
Instead of our neighbors.

00:51:45.929 --> 00:51:50.940
Which leads you very well into local conversations because that's really where we can do this.

00:51:50.949 --> 00:51:51.349
Right.

00:51:51.349 --> 00:51:53.070
We can't do this on a national stage.

00:51:53.079 --> 00:51:53.769
It's hard to do.

00:51:53.829 --> 00:51:54.280
For sure.

00:51:54.489 --> 00:51:55.280
It's really hard to do.

00:51:56.085 --> 00:51:59.164
Um, should we take a short break and then come back on it?

00:51:59.324 --> 00:51:59.735
Sounds good.

00:52:43.309 --> 00:52:44.179
And we are back.

00:52:44.929 --> 00:52:46.880
Um, where did we leave off?

00:52:46.949 --> 00:52:48.789
Well, with all the politics and what not.

00:52:48.789 --> 00:52:49.056
I think

00:52:49.056 --> 00:52:51.980
we were moving towards conversations about localism.

00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:53.050
Localism.

00:52:53.150 --> 00:52:53.610
Yeah.

00:52:53.699 --> 00:53:02.480
You, uh, you're actually at least a contributing Part of the, uh, when we were redefining our values at Loco Think Tank last fall.

00:53:02.679 --> 00:53:02.940
Yeah.

00:53:02.989 --> 00:53:07.969
Uh, be smart, be kind, be true, be local, be the change, be you.

00:53:08.219 --> 00:53:08.420
Yeah.

00:53:08.889 --> 00:53:12.550
That be local at least had some, uh, support from your corner.

00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:13.449
Oh, absolutely.

00:53:13.449 --> 00:53:14.900
Well, it's a, yeah.

00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:21.215
You know, after you talk about all these things that seem So that's it.

00:53:21.215 --> 00:53:24.320
We're done here.

00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:30.530
I will see you next week.

00:53:30.530 --> 00:53:31.565
Bye.

00:53:31.565 --> 00:53:32.599
Bye.

00:53:32.599 --> 00:53:33.635
Bye.

00:53:33.635 --> 00:53:34.670
Bye.

00:53:34.670 --> 00:53:35.704
Bye.

00:53:35.704 --> 00:53:36.739
Bye.

00:53:36.739 --> 00:53:37.775
Bye.

00:53:37.775 --> 00:53:38.809
Bye.

00:53:38.809 --> 00:53:39.844
Bye.

00:53:40.315 --> 00:53:40.894
I think there's,

00:53:40.974 --> 00:53:46.815
I think there's one seat open as far as I know, um, but there's only three seats ever at that level.

00:53:46.815 --> 00:53:49.875
And so one person makes a pretty significant difference.

00:53:50.594 --> 00:53:59.114
Um, and you know, that County, Larimer County goes through a lot of different changes over, but it's a far more rural County than most people give it credit for.

00:53:59.175 --> 00:54:01.005
It's just very much dominated by

00:54:01.655 --> 00:54:02.164
Fort Collins.

00:54:02.166 --> 00:54:03.664
Yeah, Fort

00:54:03.664 --> 00:54:04.414
Collins.

00:54:04.414 --> 00:54:05.545
Hard to beat it.

00:54:05.545 --> 00:54:07.269
But, um, Yeah.

00:54:07.269 --> 00:54:09.969
So I think those elections will have a huge impact.

00:54:09.969 --> 00:54:17.190
I think, um, we'll be, I'd be really curious to see what happens even, uh, with the state and house stuff locally.

00:54:18.119 --> 00:54:26.989
I feel like in many ways, you know, the state's continued to turn more and more blue, but frankly, I think that's a little, Even polis was

00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:30.000
having a hard time with like a super blue.

00:54:30.570 --> 00:54:30.860
Yeah.

00:54:30.889 --> 00:54:34.289
Legislature is like, I have to be the sane one

00:54:34.300 --> 00:54:34.650
here.

00:54:34.679 --> 00:54:34.989
Yeah.

00:54:35.579 --> 00:54:36.630
Which is a saying a lot.

00:54:36.750 --> 00:54:37.110
Right.

00:54:37.340 --> 00:54:37.670
You know.

00:54:37.889 --> 00:54:41.860
Um, and so I think people will react to that differently over time.

00:54:41.869 --> 00:54:42.260
And I'm not

00:54:42.260 --> 00:54:44.460
saying that Republicans are all sane and Democrats are not.

00:54:44.739 --> 00:54:53.900
But, but when you get a, a house that has a lot of activists in it, one way or the other, and they have a huge majority, just weird stuff happens.

00:54:53.909 --> 00:54:54.039
Weird

00:54:54.050 --> 00:54:54.699
stuff happens.

00:54:54.769 --> 00:54:54.960
Yeah.

00:54:55.030 --> 00:54:55.480
no doubt.

00:54:55.500 --> 00:54:59.280
And I think people, I think people in this state are generally speaking, pretty.

00:55:00.289 --> 00:55:01.820
We are pretty rational people.

00:55:01.849 --> 00:55:04.840
And I think we do still want to see good things for the state.

00:55:04.840 --> 00:55:08.239
I don't, I don't think we want to look at it and say, let's turn it into California.

00:55:08.500 --> 00:55:08.849
Right.

00:55:09.650 --> 00:55:17.619
And I, you know, as much as that feels like some of that is happening, I think, um, people will react to that differently than I think.

00:55:17.670 --> 00:55:20.699
Um, then I think it happened in California.

00:55:20.699 --> 00:55:25.199
I think people are, there's just more, there's more realism, engagement here.

00:55:25.199 --> 00:55:25.320
And

00:55:25.320 --> 00:55:28.079
there's a community, not just kind of, yeah, I am.

00:55:28.079 --> 00:55:32.914
And And life is real, like, you know, weather and things here are real.

00:55:32.925 --> 00:55:34.505
Like, that's, that's.

00:55:34.514 --> 00:55:38.034
There is some unrealness about like LA especially.

00:55:38.034 --> 00:55:38.164
Yeah.

00:55:38.164 --> 00:55:39.505
My dad always used to say about

00:55:39.655 --> 00:55:39.835
LA.

00:55:39.894 --> 00:55:42.034
I was like, why, why is everything so weird here?

00:55:42.054 --> 00:55:44.364
And he's like, cause nobody lives in anything that's real.

00:55:44.474 --> 00:55:44.875
Right.

00:55:44.885 --> 00:55:50.135
Look around, you know, you're 10 minutes from the beach and you're two hours from amazing skiing.

00:55:50.335 --> 00:55:53.344
And the weather is kind of this band almost all the time.

00:55:53.355 --> 00:55:53.715
It's always

00:55:53.724 --> 00:55:54.875
70 degrees here.

00:55:54.875 --> 00:55:55.434
And then a whole

00:55:55.434 --> 00:55:58.085
bunch of people work in making picture shows.

00:55:58.255 --> 00:55:59.514
Yeah, just really

00:55:59.514 --> 00:56:00.945
weird stuff, right?

00:56:00.945 --> 00:56:03.965
So I don't think we'll ever get quite there.

00:56:04.105 --> 00:56:08.644
Um, and I don't think, you know, frankly, we don't have enough, right.

00:56:08.644 --> 00:56:12.574
And, you know, California is dominated by San Francisco and LA for sure.

00:56:13.434 --> 00:56:15.855
Denver's a huge dominant piece of our world.

00:56:15.855 --> 00:56:18.965
And so are Boulder and Fort Collins and Colorado Springs.

00:56:18.965 --> 00:56:21.445
But in general, I don't know that.

00:56:21.869 --> 00:56:26.284
I don't know that everybody in those places is nearly as Marble y lost as possible.

00:56:26.284 --> 00:56:27.190
Right, right.

00:56:27.599 --> 00:56:28.500
And for the most part Well, and really

00:56:28.500 --> 00:56:31.929
Denver doesn't have much influence on Fort Collins.

00:56:31.989 --> 00:56:32.340
No.

00:56:32.409 --> 00:56:35.159
Like most people from Denver have never even been to Fort Collins.

00:56:35.219 --> 00:56:36.869
It happens a lot, yeah, it really does.

00:56:36.960 --> 00:56:37.260
Maybe not

00:56:37.260 --> 00:56:38.050
most, but a lot of them.

00:56:38.050 --> 00:56:38.409
A lot,

00:56:38.480 --> 00:56:38.869
yeah.

00:56:38.940 --> 00:56:47.579
And I just think in just generally speaking, I think, you know, Colorado tends to work its way towards some things that make some sense, make some rational decisions.

00:56:47.599 --> 00:56:49.280
I have lots of hope for it anyway.

00:56:49.280 --> 00:56:49.699
I don't know.

00:56:50.329 --> 00:56:52.460
You know, I just don't think it will just continue to radicalize.

00:56:52.469 --> 00:56:53.380
So we'll see what happens.

00:56:53.380 --> 00:57:07.155
But I think, the more interested and more engaged people get in local politics, local things, Uh, still, you know, greatest question I've probably been asked in the last little bit as, Um, you know, somebody said, well, what can we do about all of this stuff?

00:57:07.204 --> 00:57:10.344
And I heard somebody say, well, when was the last time you went to the city council meeting?

00:57:10.835 --> 00:57:11.164
Right.

00:57:11.224 --> 00:57:14.945
And the answer is I haven't ever been, you know, for that person.

00:57:14.945 --> 00:57:18.105
And that's really where this is all being impacted.

00:57:18.105 --> 00:57:18.385
Right.

00:57:18.434 --> 00:57:21.565
You know, our, our, most of our lives is being impacted by city council.

00:57:22.079 --> 00:57:26.760
Um, and whatever town we live in far more or a county commissioner far more than it is by Donald Trump.

00:57:26.789 --> 00:57:27.150
Right.

00:57:27.269 --> 00:57:27.739
Right.

00:57:28.219 --> 00:57:28.719
And we don't see the

00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:35.800
headlines about it because there isn't a local newspaper where you can actually read about stuff that happens anymore and nobody tunes in enough to care.

00:57:35.940 --> 00:57:36.289
No.

00:57:36.289 --> 00:57:37.619
And it's easy not to.

00:57:37.769 --> 00:57:38.030
Right.

00:57:38.179 --> 00:57:43.880
Life is busy and things are this and it milks eight bucks and all these other things that did happen as a consequence of federal stuff.

00:57:44.349 --> 00:57:48.289
But local politics makes a big difference in what happens, especially in land use.

00:57:48.300 --> 00:57:49.719
I mean, I've always encouraged people like.

00:57:50.295 --> 00:57:52.445
Go to the planning and zoning commission meeting.

00:57:53.184 --> 00:57:59.344
You'll be one of seven people there, or one of seven people that isn't interested in an interested party.

00:57:59.355 --> 00:57:59.695
Right.

00:57:59.695 --> 00:58:00.054
Right.

00:58:00.125 --> 00:58:01.914
But you'll see what happens and how it works.

00:58:01.934 --> 00:58:09.835
And you'll see actually that staff runs the show and you'll understand, you know, what these politicians are sort of up against and how they do it.

00:58:09.835 --> 00:58:15.105
And then you actually might become educated about saying, well, like, I don't really want staff running our city.

00:58:15.255 --> 00:58:15.614
Right.

00:58:16.065 --> 00:58:16.644
If we're going to elect

00:58:16.644 --> 00:58:18.605
people, then what's the point?

00:58:19.295 --> 00:58:24.414
I think we talked about the Fort Collins like it's basically a business development office now, right?

00:58:24.414 --> 00:58:26.014
Like it's a what do they call that?

00:58:26.704 --> 00:58:28.594
I don't remember the name of that particular

00:58:28.784 --> 00:58:32.175
but there's like a whole You know 12 people.

00:58:32.195 --> 00:58:43.864
Yeah at the city of Fort Collins on business engagement of some sort right now Community development type stuff, right and aside from sauna like none of them really have any business experience.

00:58:43.864 --> 00:58:50.074
They don't really I mean, they might have degrees in urban planning or economic something, something, but

00:58:51.574 --> 00:58:52.614
it's part of what we've done.

00:58:52.615 --> 00:58:53.494
They're siloized.

00:58:54.465 --> 00:58:58.554
It's really part of what we've done, which is that we've elevated academics to such a level that.

00:58:59.034 --> 00:59:15.275
That there's no life experience is never tempered against academics It's the academics is the more superior way at which you arrive at your conclusions in their studies or things or strategies And what you do that, but you know real life world happens and they're like, well that Shove your study, dude.

00:59:15.275 --> 00:59:17.315
I don't it doesn't have anything to do with right.

00:59:17.315 --> 00:59:18.914
We're actually battling down here.

00:59:19.565 --> 00:59:22.985
So I Totally encourage people to get engaged in that stuff.

00:59:22.985 --> 00:59:31.045
I mean, if, if you had 10% of the population in Fort Collins or Windsor or wherever, Greeley decide that they wanted to go to a city council meeting one night,

00:59:31.375 --> 00:59:31.465
right?

00:59:31.525 --> 00:59:33.730
There wouldn't be enough room at City Council, but fired

00:59:33.744 --> 00:59:35.784
1%, there wouldn't be enough, there wouldn't be enough room.

00:59:35.789 --> 00:59:36.655
Well, 10th of 1%.

00:59:36.804 --> 00:59:41.094
And so if you did that, if you got enough people activated, but people actually activated civically.

00:59:41.155 --> 00:59:43.010
Hey, I don't know if I really like what you guys are.

00:59:43.351 --> 00:59:44.829
I'm a big fan of the idea that the pulling off here.

00:59:44.829 --> 00:59:48.639
Or maybe I'd like to just learn about what you're pulling off and you got enough people doing that.

00:59:48.800 --> 00:59:55.179
You know, I've said it a number of times on the show, same 20 people my whole life have been the people that have driven policy in Fort Collins.

00:59:55.579 --> 00:59:56.030
Right.

00:59:56.199 --> 00:59:57.670
And it's just because they show up.

00:59:58.070 --> 00:59:58.400
Yeah.

00:59:58.550 --> 01:00:06.429
It's, I mean, truly those same 20 people have shown up to every city council meeting and every planning meeting and they run the show.

01:00:06.449 --> 01:00:10.739
They decide what's happening because they're the voice that the politicians hear.

01:00:11.070 --> 01:00:13.929
So who's up on the Lamer County City, uh, County Commission?

01:00:14.990 --> 01:00:17.750
You know, I just saw, I think

01:00:17.751 --> 01:00:18.969
he was,

01:00:18.971 --> 01:00:19.601
I don't think it's John.

01:00:19.621 --> 01:00:23.771
It's, I can't remember who the guy is, but the guy running in opposition is, was the mayor of Windsor.

01:00:23.911 --> 01:00:29.021
Oh, uh, from when I, Paul, Paul, recently, Reedemeyer or yeah, I know

01:00:29.021 --> 01:00:29.411
that guy.

01:00:29.521 --> 01:00:29.911
Yeah.

01:00:29.971 --> 01:00:31.550
He had a pints with Paul thing.

01:00:31.851 --> 01:00:32.201
Yeah.

01:00:32.201 --> 01:00:32.650
Every.

01:00:33.235 --> 01:00:33.646
Yeah, he was

01:00:33.675 --> 01:00:36.085
actually a really excellent mayor of Windsor.

01:00:36.275 --> 01:00:36.715
He's a good guy.

01:00:36.746 --> 01:00:43.065
And I don't know if he must live in, on the Highland Meadows side of the border or whatever in the Windsor.

01:00:43.065 --> 01:00:44.206
He's in Larimer County.

01:00:44.206 --> 01:00:47.266
But he's in Larimer and he's running for county commissioner.

01:00:47.266 --> 01:00:50.976
I saw some signs up for him and I think he'd be a great candidate.

01:00:50.985 --> 01:01:00.454
He'd bring some of the eastern side of, or ranching side of, farmer side of Larimer County back to, um, Yeah.

01:01:00.456 --> 01:01:05.856
And I, you know, I think John, if you get John's a reasonable person, John Cofalas is a pretty reasonable person.

01:01:05.856 --> 01:01:09.445
If you talk to him, which I know you have, he's a very reasonable guy.

01:01:09.445 --> 01:01:12.916
So that would be, I find him more moderate than I do radical.

01:01:12.916 --> 01:01:13.615
For sure.

01:01:13.896 --> 01:01:16.615
Well, I mean, 10 years ago he was radical.

01:01:16.795 --> 01:01:17.096
Yeah.

01:01:17.195 --> 01:01:17.925
Now he's moderate.

01:01:18.195 --> 01:01:18.476
Yeah.

01:01:18.525 --> 01:01:19.675
Not because he's changed.

01:01:19.675 --> 01:01:22.405
No, the, the, the, the, the, the, the line moved.

01:01:22.706 --> 01:01:23.686
What it takes to become a

01:01:23.686 --> 01:01:25.974
radical is, uh, quite a bit different than it used to be.

01:01:25.974 --> 01:01:26.224
Pretty, pretty different.

01:01:26.226 --> 01:01:31.894
But I think if you had John and, and, uh, Marin, Marinamire, or however he's, Paul, whoever his, uh, Yeah.

01:01:31.976 --> 01:01:32.876
How do you say his last name?

01:01:33.146 --> 01:01:39.096
I think if you had those two on there, that would make a very dynamic, uh, county commissioner board, and I think it'd be really good for Larimer County.

01:01:39.365 --> 01:01:39.396
Right.

01:01:39.635 --> 01:01:39.666
Okay.

01:01:39.666 --> 01:01:39.686
So.

01:01:40.306 --> 01:01:41.246
Yeah, that's my vote.

01:01:41.356 --> 01:01:41.985
That's what I know.

01:01:42.815 --> 01:01:44.286
Um, should we do a real estate update?

01:01:44.326 --> 01:01:44.606
Sure.

01:01:45.206 --> 01:01:45.505
Yeah.

01:01:45.516 --> 01:01:47.226
Uh, what's, what's new prices

01:01:47.545 --> 01:01:48.166
still stay the same.

01:01:48.195 --> 01:01:48.786
Materials

01:01:48.786 --> 01:01:52.215
costs and stuff are still high inventory is still low.

01:01:52.266 --> 01:01:52.556
Yeah.

01:01:53.025 --> 01:01:53.175
Yeah.

01:01:53.175 --> 01:01:54.635
I feel like I'm on still high

01:01:54.835 --> 01:01:57.706
when I was talking, uh, thinking about talking about this today.

01:01:58.795 --> 01:02:05.666
I'm like, this is pretty much repeat, like, I just say the same thing over and over because nothing really has changed.

01:02:05.675 --> 01:02:07.706
It's still, you know, there's a

01:02:07.706 --> 01:02:11.655
little blip of like a point lower rates maybe a couple months ago, but everything,

01:02:12.635 --> 01:02:17.536
you know, people have stabilized the idea that interest rates are not going to be 2 percent or 3 percent anymore.

01:02:18.085 --> 01:02:21.255
So that mental hurdle is over.

01:02:21.255 --> 01:02:27.565
So the lull we felt in the fall, which was, it was substantial in many cases where people kind of put the brakes on some things.

01:02:29.295 --> 01:02:32.266
That seems to have passed particularly if you're in a price range.

01:02:32.266 --> 01:02:32.786
That's good.

01:02:32.786 --> 01:02:40.786
If you've got a great property and you have a good You know, you're in a good location And you've done anything that's at all attractive in the house.

01:02:40.835 --> 01:02:42.376
It's multiple offers still

01:02:42.396 --> 01:02:42.735
still

01:02:42.846 --> 01:02:55.320
so and that never really changed it might have fluctuated between You know, instead of 30 offers, like we were getting a couple of years ago, it's two, but you know, we were just in competition in one in Windsor and we lost out to it.

01:02:55.320 --> 01:03:00.661
And it was, uh, it was five offers on, on a property, great property.

01:03:00.940 --> 01:03:05.371
It was, it went over asking price and, you know, waving of inspections and a bunch of stuff.

01:03:05.371 --> 01:03:06.911
So all that stuff was there.

01:03:07.311 --> 01:03:14.731
So it's still part of it, but it's on the good properties because there's everybody's rushing to those great, uh, A plus properties.

01:03:14.751 --> 01:03:15.150
Okay.

01:03:15.311 --> 01:03:15.731
Interesting.

01:03:15.780 --> 01:03:19.221
The B plus and C plus properties don't have multiple offers.

01:03:19.240 --> 01:03:25.541
They still are selling relatively quickly, pretty close to listing, pretty close to listing the properties that are struggling.

01:03:25.701 --> 01:03:34.101
Um, you know, the difference is once you get kind of down below C plus properties, what you end up with is people that then actually price it accurately.

01:03:34.121 --> 01:03:44.150
And those are still selling too, because they're, they're Low enough price that you're starting to get back into entry level stuff for people, but entry level pricing in Fort Collins is 500, 000.

01:03:44.331 --> 01:03:50.960
So your first time homebuyer is buying a 500, 000 house, single family detached home in Fort Collins, single family,

01:03:51.010 --> 01:03:57.719
1200 square feet, no basement, 1500 square feet, no basement, kind of a three beds, marginal two beds,

01:03:57.721 --> 01:04:00.844
maybe two or two or funky things with a floor plan.

01:04:00.844 --> 01:04:03.369
Probably lots of work to do in the house.

01:04:03.371 --> 01:04:04.710
500 now is the number.

01:04:05.871 --> 01:04:06.681
Which um,

01:04:06.871 --> 01:04:10.460
you know, I remember what's the mortgage payment on that with 35

01:04:10.701 --> 01:04:11.981
To 4, 000 bucks.

01:04:12.331 --> 01:04:14.260
I could never buy a house in today's world.

01:04:14.320 --> 01:04:15.070
That's pretty tough.

01:04:15.090 --> 01:04:23.865
You know, it really is It's really tough to see it and I and I don't think you're gonna see that change anytime soon I mean the inventory here is not There's no relief coming for that.

01:04:23.896 --> 01:04:32.576
Um, what you see in sort of new construction, new construction has changed their pricing to accommodate a lot of first time homebuyers.

01:04:32.615 --> 01:04:38.815
So that's a good place for people to go because they actually are doing a lot of buy downs and getting people into housing that they can afford.

01:04:38.815 --> 01:04:43.755
But we just sold a condo in Timnath to somebody through Lenar, which is a great place.

01:04:43.871 --> 01:04:45.070
They have actually a great program.

01:04:45.070 --> 01:04:46.831
They hold the house, the mortgage in house.

01:04:47.371 --> 01:04:51.001
Um, Is that that kind of series of townhomes you can see across the, Yeah.

01:04:51.001 --> 01:04:51.231
Yeah.

01:04:51.231 --> 01:04:52.561
I, I noticed them the other day.

01:04:52.601 --> 01:04:52.880
Yeah.

01:04:52.880 --> 01:04:59.001
So I sold one in there and, but these, these guys are paying with HOA fees.

01:04:59.021 --> 01:05:02.360
It's 3, 300 a month for a condo for condo.

01:05:03.121 --> 01:05:05.681
So that's Metro, you know, cause you have Metro taxes on top of it.

01:05:05.681 --> 01:05:13.280
You have HOAs on top of that, the insurance for everything, you know, insurance here is they don't pay out.

01:05:13.541 --> 01:05:15.021
So insurance never gets paid out.

01:05:15.021 --> 01:05:18.121
So premiums are crazy for hail and everything else.

01:05:18.121 --> 01:05:21.291
And then you have a hail storm and they just kind of fight you, fight you anyway.

01:05:21.291 --> 01:05:21.811
So yeah.

01:05:21.811 --> 01:05:22.099
Yeah.

01:05:22.331 --> 01:05:26.010
You know, it's the biggest racket in the whole world is insurance.

01:05:26.240 --> 01:05:29.981
So if anybody's listening, it's an insurance agent, you can take it up with me.

01:05:30.061 --> 01:05:31.710
Brandon, Brandon, talking to you.

01:05:37.811 --> 01:05:45.240
Um, so kind of stable and, uh, cost ineffective, um, is the story of the day.

01:05:45.550 --> 01:05:47.670
And you said there hasn't been much change with water.

01:05:47.670 --> 01:05:50.610
What was the status on water?

01:05:51.001 --> 01:05:56.141
Well, you know, Northweld is still a really big issue in our region.

01:05:56.271 --> 01:06:09.240
They've opened a few things in terms of they, they had a, uh, intergovernmental agreement with severance, a couple of other places in which they now allow, if you do development within those regions to be able to get taps, but it's an allocated number of taps per year.

01:06:09.951 --> 01:06:18.811
So one of the issues in severance is they're supposed to build a new elementary school, but the town wrestled with, um, a commercial project that was coming on tap.

01:06:18.996 --> 01:06:21.695
Or giving those same taps to the school.

01:06:21.846 --> 01:06:27.175
They gave it to the commercial because the sales tax revenue, the school sits, you know, delayed.

01:06:27.266 --> 01:06:27.456
Yeah.

01:06:27.456 --> 01:06:27.726
Yeah.

01:06:28.365 --> 01:06:37.306
So, um, you know, that, that has its own, um, challenges, but they don't seem, I mean, they probably are closer.

01:06:37.306 --> 01:06:47.851
I know they have a deal with Elko now and some distribution stuff that are going on, but I don't know that they're terribly closer to figuring out how to do rural development, which is really What's happening east of here.

01:06:47.960 --> 01:06:48.840
Yeah, yeah.

01:06:48.840 --> 01:06:56.460
And is a genuine relief valve for a number of things that would allow things to happen that would bring pricing relatively back.

01:06:56.460 --> 01:06:56.530
At

01:06:56.530 --> 01:07:00.201
least you can buy a 400, 000 dollar house north of Eaton.

01:07:00.201 --> 01:07:00.541
In Eaton, right.

01:07:00.971 --> 01:07:00.990
Or

01:07:00.990 --> 01:07:04.081
Alt or whatever, but you can't get those taps right now because of North Weld.

01:07:04.081 --> 01:07:07.360
So there's pretty, still a struggle.

01:07:07.391 --> 01:07:09.141
Can they dry up farms around there?

01:07:09.911 --> 01:07:11.460
Make that work, or like what's the solution?

01:07:11.460 --> 01:07:12.471
No, Northweld,

01:07:12.541 --> 01:07:15.400
it really is, Northweld is in control of that district.

01:07:15.490 --> 01:07:18.960
So, unless you have over 35 acres, you're stuck.

01:07:19.621 --> 01:07:21.431
If you have over 35 acres, you could drill a well.

01:07:21.791 --> 01:07:24.391
Unless you could get a single family house on 35 acres with a well.

01:07:24.490 --> 01:07:24.911
Okay.

01:07:25.291 --> 01:07:28.070
Otherwise you have to wait until the district is willing to serve you.

01:07:28.070 --> 01:07:33.081
And they will, so far have not provided any will serve letters for people, not ready yet.

01:07:33.851 --> 01:07:34.951
And I don't know, you know,

01:07:35.621 --> 01:07:37.860
sources of water that they could, they're working on it.

01:07:37.860 --> 01:07:45.740
They're trying to put an arrangement together with Elko, but that is still, I mean, Elko's putting in a, gosh, it must be a 40 inch pipeline all along County road five.

01:07:46.061 --> 01:07:47.110
And it's going to take.

01:07:47.590 --> 01:08:00.460
However long until they get until wherever and so yeah, they'll struggle for a while and they're a huge district I mean they go clear out to 85 and past Wow and north past alt and south to Windsor

01:08:00.871 --> 01:08:15.481
Oh, wow, so all of that is impacted there all that Windsor which is really kind of the prime time I was actually driving around over there the other day and Like the views from from even from East Timnath and stuff now is really cool Like oh, yeah, we don't realize how much

01:08:15.690 --> 01:08:23.451
we get the back range, you know, right sitting over there So people really do like it over there and it's you know Windsor's growing up and there's lots of really great stuff happening there.

01:08:23.490 --> 01:08:29.591
Well a lot of couples You know, one couple, one parent will, or one of the two will work in Fort Collins.

01:08:29.610 --> 01:08:33.711
The other one works in Greeley or in Windsor or Loveland or something, you know, so all that.

01:08:33.930 --> 01:08:36.051
So yeah, there's lots of issues with that.

01:08:36.051 --> 01:08:42.381
Windsor has its own water treatment plant and they could still supply some water and some of that, you know, that South Fort Collins, Loveland water district.

01:08:42.560 --> 01:08:48.240
Weaves its way through raindance and some other, you know, not raindance, but some of that other stuff that's over there.

01:08:48.240 --> 01:08:49.091
Highland Meadows.

01:08:49.091 --> 01:08:49.490
Oh, really?

01:08:49.490 --> 01:08:50.280
I didn't realize that.

01:08:50.560 --> 01:08:54.690
It's all South Fort Collins, Loveland, Water District, and that, they go all the way through Timmoth.

01:08:54.720 --> 01:08:56.551
So South Fort Collins covers a lot of Timmoth.

01:08:56.551 --> 01:08:57.990
Okay, so that's more secure.

01:08:57.990 --> 01:08:59.291
They're kind of pocketed out.

01:08:59.511 --> 01:08:59.860
Yeah.

01:09:00.070 --> 01:09:05.680
Um, but Northweld, otherwise, you know, it starts to pick up pretty quickly just past Timnath, and then there's not a lot.

01:09:05.680 --> 01:09:06.060
Well, that would be

01:09:06.060 --> 01:09:06.461
a shame.

01:09:06.461 --> 01:09:15.570
It used to be, you know, that kind of drive until you qualify notion, but with, like, high gas prices and high water prices That just doesn't really work anymore.

01:09:15.570 --> 01:09:18.900
Yeah, if, what I've heard 35 acres

01:09:18.900 --> 01:09:19.631
and car.

01:09:20.100 --> 01:09:21.570
Yeah, it may be.

01:09:21.860 --> 01:09:24.860
You know, but even those are selling for a couple hundred thousand bucks a piece.

01:09:24.871 --> 01:09:26.730
Right, without property.

01:09:26.740 --> 01:09:28.461
Without, you know, a mobile home on it.

01:09:28.461 --> 01:09:29.780
Yeah, you don't have a house on it.

01:09:29.900 --> 01:09:32.530
You can bring your tent out or whatever for 200, 000.

01:09:32.701 --> 01:09:35.291
But, uh, no, yeah, pretty interesting stuff.

01:09:35.291 --> 01:09:40.421
You look at Windsor, um, and what's happening there and just the different things that are happening within our market.

01:09:40.430 --> 01:09:44.961
And I think it's going to, it's going to take a minute to recover from some of the stuff that has happened with water.

01:09:44.961 --> 01:09:51.600
If, if we can do it, if we can recover from it, I think there's still a lot of reasons why maybe one of the reasons that they aren't really paying attention.

01:09:51.600 --> 01:09:57.581
And I love that this is like a bigger picture, but the, the result from pursuing it is that there may not just, there just may not be enough shares, right, Um, for them to really go out and get aggressive about it.

01:09:57.581 --> 01:10:11.041
So I did hear that if you do, if you are able to secure a tap on a development, Um, in north world that it's, it's between the water share and the tap fees is in excess of a hundred thousand dollars.

01:10:11.711 --> 01:10:15.171
So that's for a single property, for a little single house.

01:10:15.171 --> 01:10:15.530
For the right to

01:10:15.530 --> 01:10:16.051
buy water.

01:10:16.051 --> 01:10:16.841
For the

01:10:16.841 --> 01:10:18.060
right to buy water and hookup.

01:10:18.636 --> 01:10:18.886
Wow.

01:10:18.916 --> 01:10:19.636
Yeah, about a hundred grand.

01:10:20.095 --> 01:10:22.966
That used to be 20.

01:10:23.046 --> 01:10:24.386
I remember when it was 35.

01:10:24.386 --> 01:10:25.326
I was like, that's insane.

01:10:25.966 --> 01:10:26.895
How could you ever do that?

01:10:26.895 --> 01:10:29.435
It's like, yeah, 25 percent of the cost of the house.

01:10:29.595 --> 01:10:30.956
Yeah, well, it's that or more now.

01:10:31.636 --> 01:10:32.805
So anyway, yeah, we'll see.

01:10:32.805 --> 01:10:33.786
It costs a lot more.

01:10:33.935 --> 01:10:42.725
We'll see, uh, we'll see what actually ends up happening in real estate, but we do need some, we need, we do need some, if we're going to have this many people here, we do need some growth and it can't all be apartments.

01:10:43.395 --> 01:10:45.740
Uh, sadly, people just don't, you know, That's not sadly.

01:10:45.860 --> 01:10:47.930
People don't want to do that, you know, so

01:10:47.940 --> 01:10:51.470
have you ever heard of a Devil's Lake, North Dakota by chance?

01:10:53.360 --> 01:11:07.826
So Devil's Lake is a about 70 miles north of Jamestown where my family farm is are and stuff maybe maybe only 50 and When I was a kid, uh, there was a lot of talk about the Garrison Diversion.

01:11:08.565 --> 01:11:19.826
And the Garrison Diversion was to take Missouri River water, all the way across the state of North Dakota, put it into Devil's Lake, because Devil's Lake was drying up.

01:11:20.265 --> 01:11:27.820
This historic natural, uh, No outlet lake was drying up and all the fish and all the tourism.

01:11:27.820 --> 01:11:30.051
And it was kind of a resort town of sorts.

01:11:30.051 --> 01:11:31.740
There was a number of things.

01:11:32.201 --> 01:11:43.770
Um, and the reason it never really got done is because the overflow, if it ever overflowed, was over to the Cheyenne river, which eventually flowed into the red, which flowed up to Canada,

01:11:43.970 --> 01:11:44.480
Winnipeg.

01:11:44.581 --> 01:11:44.900
Yeah.

01:11:44.900 --> 01:11:57.676
And Canada was like, Fuck that salty water from Devil's Lake running into our river systems We don't want it because you've been you know, it's almost I mean it was not salty like the Great Salt Lake But it was salty and yucky and other stuff.

01:11:58.076 --> 01:12:14.155
And so they fought this whole Project and then along comes I graduated high school in 92 Probably by about 94 we had Um, like cycles of heavier moisture coming.

01:12:14.626 --> 01:12:21.515
And then by the 2004, 2006 times, there was, we had some 10 inch rains and things.

01:12:22.355 --> 01:12:30.465
And all of a sudden devil's lake is literally four times as big as it was when I was in high school and it's overflowing Canada, you're getting it one way or the other.

01:12:30.466 --> 01:12:32.036
They didn't have to build all this.

01:12:32.251 --> 01:12:32.511
Yeah.

01:12:32.511 --> 01:12:33.520
Channels and stuff.

01:12:33.530 --> 01:12:38.440
All of a sudden, Devil's Lake is back full and there's farms that used to have, you know, a thousand acres.

01:12:38.461 --> 01:12:39.871
They're down to 430.

01:12:40.240 --> 01:12:40.581
Oh, wow.

01:12:40.631 --> 01:12:41.501
And stuff like that.

01:12:41.501 --> 01:12:42.341
Like, it's It's all underwater.

01:12:42.341 --> 01:12:43.161
It's crowding everywhere.

01:12:43.161 --> 01:12:43.650
Yeah.

01:12:43.690 --> 01:12:47.541
And, uh, you know, that would be lovely if that could happen around here.

01:12:47.541 --> 01:12:54.591
If we could have some kind of a climate shift where all of a sudden, we're going to have All of our mountains are full of snow more and our reservoirs are full.

01:12:54.591 --> 01:12:59.890
And all of a sudden, you know, Glen Canyon and Lake Powell and filled back up again.

01:12:59.911 --> 01:13:00.360
Right.

01:13:00.371 --> 01:13:03.770
Then California and Arizona can go back to stealing all our water

01:13:03.881 --> 01:13:03.890
or

01:13:03.890 --> 01:13:10.024
oversubscribing or whatever, because we've got some real significant national level problems.

01:13:10.185 --> 01:13:11.365
Problems with water.

01:13:11.435 --> 01:13:11.815
Oh yeah.

01:13:11.815 --> 01:13:26.706
Between the Western slope stuff with Colorado river, there's bad, but now you have people in Nebraska making claims on the plat and making claims done downstream that are handshake deals from 120 years ago, making claims on which now makes it.

01:13:26.926 --> 01:13:29.496
challenging on, on the whole system too.

01:13:30.485 --> 01:13:33.435
So yeah, there's a lot of, well, that will be the biggest issue.

01:13:33.435 --> 01:13:35.626
I've said it for 15 years, but those are the

01:13:35.626 --> 01:13:40.496
main things that a federal government is necessary for, like those kinds of arguments a little bit, although

01:13:41.176 --> 01:13:48.485
I would think so, you know, I think as much as we would say, Hey, the state, that's the state situation to resolve reality is, is that.

01:13:48.791 --> 01:13:51.051
That waterway impacts way too many people.

01:13:51.121 --> 01:13:51.490
Right.

01:13:51.490 --> 01:13:56.190
Well, and we can't have California sending troops to Colorado to make sure the Colorado river flows.

01:13:56.541 --> 01:13:59.480
No, just not going to work.

01:13:59.520 --> 01:14:09.730
And those agreements, if they're, you know, if we can't fulfill those agreements based on whatever drought or whatever it is, right, it's not, there's probably other issues there that need to be done and addressed.

01:14:09.911 --> 01:14:13.470
And some of that does come down to reservoirs comes down to how do you store water?

01:14:13.470 --> 01:14:14.780
Because you do need to store it.

01:14:15.240 --> 01:14:17.360
There's no way to do this many people.

01:14:17.576 --> 01:14:19.746
You know, I have this many people up here this

01:14:19.746 --> 01:14:21.496
far away from where there's real water

01:14:21.546 --> 01:14:23.126
without more reservoirs, so.

01:14:23.475 --> 01:14:27.246
Yeah, I mean, very, very interesting stuff that'll happen in real estate.

01:14:27.246 --> 01:14:38.615
I still think inventory will remain its biggest issue a lot, and that will be driven both by water and, um, and politics, which just doesn't allow, growth is just not, it's a dirt, it's a four letter word.

01:14:38.845 --> 01:14:39.216
Right.

01:14:39.305 --> 01:14:40.355
So, um.

01:14:40.435 --> 01:14:48.586
Well, and just like the, the financial costs of, you know, the energy, like you couldn't build a four room shack.

01:14:48.905 --> 01:14:49.176
No.

01:14:49.216 --> 01:14:50.216
In Larimer County.

01:14:50.836 --> 01:14:56.456
Like, even if you just planted, uh, Like, resided at Three Seasons and not even have a heater.

01:14:56.676 --> 01:14:57.015
No.

01:14:57.025 --> 01:14:58.105
They would never let you.

01:14:58.206 --> 01:15:01.265
Like, you have to have perfect, wonderful windows, and like.

01:15:01.275 --> 01:15:10.216
Yeah, the code is, the code creep has been excessive too, which is a whole other topic in building, which is just much more collusional than anything else.

01:15:10.935 --> 01:15:12.195
Uh, that's a, another.

01:15:12.206 --> 01:15:12.845
Feels dangerous.

01:15:12.876 --> 01:15:18.666
Moment of, another moment of collusion where the, the, uh, international building code that the.

01:15:18.890 --> 01:15:21.480
Party that writes that every year is a 501 C3.

01:15:21.480 --> 01:15:25.690
So it's a nonprofit and people that are manufacturers donate to the code book.

01:15:25.740 --> 01:15:26.100
Oh, right.

01:15:26.280 --> 01:15:26.621
People that

01:15:26.621 --> 01:15:31.371
manufacture smart, uh, things and insulate are 38 insulation.

01:15:31.680 --> 01:15:34.140
And then if you want to have a quadruple pane windows,

01:15:34.560 --> 01:15:35.761
competitor, that's an equivalent.

01:15:35.761 --> 01:15:36.520
You have to prove it.

01:15:36.940 --> 01:15:37.310
Right.

01:15:37.320 --> 01:15:38.810
Is it an equivalent, which is a pain in the butt.

01:15:38.810 --> 01:15:40.310
So you just go with the one that's in the code book.

01:15:40.310 --> 01:15:41.240
That's right.

01:15:41.301 --> 01:15:42.020
This, and we got

01:15:42.020 --> 01:15:44.570
in the code book cause we made a big donation to the IBC.

01:15:45.105 --> 01:15:47.365
So anyway, those, those things are broken.

01:15:47.546 --> 01:15:51.395
Um, there's certainly broken elements of all of our society in many ways.

01:15:51.416 --> 01:15:53.626
And that's just one small example of it.

01:15:53.626 --> 01:16:08.055
And we feel it probably more than most in our region, because it's, we're on the front lines of a lot of those things that are really impacting us because some of those conversations around water, some of those conversations around politics and land and your land use and code all.

01:16:08.070 --> 01:16:13.791
Kind of coalesce around making it really unaffordable for people here, which is, which is detrimental to our community.

01:16:13.791 --> 01:16:19.041
I mean, I, we would, we're a better place if we have more people who are.

01:16:19.701 --> 01:16:24.251
different in thought and opinion and economic status, we will, we would be in a much better place.

01:16:24.251 --> 01:16:24.560
I

01:16:24.640 --> 01:16:43.605
wonder who, I was listening to, it might have been Jordan Peterson or something, but, um, the school of thought that, like, all these people are, are liabilities, you know, and mouths to feed in, on a, on a global scale especially, but, but in reality they're the, It's having a bunch of people that comes up with lots of good ideas.

01:16:43.975 --> 01:16:48.515
And life gets better when you can have a bunch of new thinking people that are educated.

01:16:49.145 --> 01:16:51.206
Well, it comes down to how you see humanity, right?

01:16:51.296 --> 01:16:53.246
If you see them as a scourge and a virus.

01:16:53.345 --> 01:16:53.775
Right.

01:16:53.956 --> 01:16:54.895
Which a lot of people do.

01:16:55.086 --> 01:16:55.876
Unfortunately, yeah.

01:16:55.876 --> 01:16:56.645
Unfortunately, then.

01:16:56.850 --> 01:17:01.331
Then you treat them as such that they're, they're somebody to be remediated.

01:17:01.951 --> 01:17:12.490
Um, if you see humanity as something that's divine and got a divine imprint upon it, then you look at things differently and you, and you see, um, humans as a much more.

01:17:12.780 --> 01:17:18.530
Impacting, meaningful thing that can create relationships and also innovations and beautiful things.

01:17:18.921 --> 01:17:20.421
So it comes down to how you see

01:17:20.421 --> 01:17:20.551
it.

01:17:20.610 --> 01:17:26.921
I've rarely heard it put just that simply that whether we're a virus or part of a divine creation.

01:17:27.001 --> 01:17:27.301
Yeah.

01:17:27.591 --> 01:17:29.360
Uh, but it's pretty much that simple.

01:17:29.371 --> 01:17:30.230
Kind of that simple.

01:17:30.240 --> 01:17:30.261
At

01:17:31.240 --> 01:17:32.070
least in my mind.

01:17:32.070 --> 01:17:33.501
Sounds a little rough, but yeah.

01:17:34.451 --> 01:17:42.280
Um, I want to shift to, uh, You've been slinging Loco Think Tank a little bit the last couple months.

01:17:42.331 --> 01:17:49.751
And, uh, just in kind of a semi formal role of being like, What's it really look like to sell this service?

01:17:50.065 --> 01:17:50.475
Yeah.

01:17:50.595 --> 01:17:52.115
Out in the community and who wants it?

01:17:52.265 --> 01:17:53.695
What do they want to, yeah.

01:17:53.796 --> 01:17:55.275
Yeah, it's been really cool, actually.

01:17:55.275 --> 01:17:59.996
I mean, we talked about it, um, You wrote an email several months ago.

01:18:00.065 --> 01:18:01.586
Yeah, I guess that was, yeah, we introduced

01:18:01.586 --> 01:18:02.555
you to it or whatever.

01:18:02.586 --> 01:18:02.916
And it was

01:18:02.916 --> 01:18:07.456
kind of a, Hey, I wonder what is the trouble spot here?

01:18:07.586 --> 01:18:09.826
Like, what, why aren't more people signing up?

01:18:10.115 --> 01:18:18.126
And more, Um, so I sort of volunteered myself, I suppose, into it and said, I'd like to try, see what we could come up with.

01:18:18.126 --> 01:18:22.895
And, and I think, I think in over the course of things, I think we're creating something closer to something that'll work.

01:18:22.895 --> 01:18:23.786
I think that will work.

01:18:23.786 --> 01:18:24.025
Right.

01:18:24.065 --> 01:18:29.666
I think that, um, and I, I don't think you could do that without getting into it and knowing like, okay, this is a pinch point.

01:18:29.676 --> 01:18:30.466
This is a problem.

01:18:30.466 --> 01:18:33.105
And this is something that we need to fix in terms of the business side of it.

01:18:33.845 --> 01:18:42.171
But you know, the conversation itself is still one that, um, More people need to hear and more, more people need to hear, especially in business.

01:18:42.171 --> 01:18:50.051
We've, and we said this when we were kind of, or I said this when we were kind of talking about me trying to do some of this stuff, you know, small businesses, just to really lonesome place.

01:18:50.520 --> 01:18:57.206
And it really is hard, you know, you, whether you're battling, you never know when you're going to turn your phone over and there's another, like, Right.

01:18:57.216 --> 01:19:01.435
Massive crisis around the corner or your truck breaks down or you're the, you know, your employees.

01:19:01.676 --> 01:19:02.286
And it's not even talking

01:19:02.286 --> 01:19:04.996
about ransomware and no, yeah.

01:19:04.996 --> 01:19:06.865
Or real bad things that people do to you.

01:19:06.865 --> 01:19:09.105
Your taxes or you're not talking about any of that.

01:19:09.105 --> 01:19:12.586
You just never know what is around the corner and what other shoe is going to drop.

01:19:12.586 --> 01:19:15.246
And so I think it's really easy to just get discouraged in business.

01:19:15.275 --> 01:19:22.315
And Loco has in many cases become a place for people to feel like they're connected on a level that they can trust.

01:19:22.671 --> 01:19:25.451
What they're saying to somebody else and the people that actually understand.

01:19:25.520 --> 01:19:26.020
Yeah.

01:19:26.070 --> 01:19:27.860
Cause non business owners just don't.

01:19:28.270 --> 01:19:28.581
No.

01:19:28.581 --> 01:19:32.310
And you know, for most business owners, they're not either taking it home to their husband or their wife.

01:19:32.320 --> 01:19:33.761
They're not, they're not doing that.

01:19:34.110 --> 01:19:35.930
They don't want to leave that at the door.

01:19:35.930 --> 01:19:36.880
They

01:19:36.881 --> 01:19:38.631
shouldn't too much anyway.

01:19:38.661 --> 01:19:38.930
Yeah.

01:19:38.930 --> 01:19:46.810
They may, they might, might lament about their day or whatever, but, and to have some sympathy, but that's, that's about the best you'll ever get out of your own home or your own relationships is some sympathy.

01:19:47.720 --> 01:19:55.756
And if you need to fix it, Which is its own thing, which is really what most small businesses actually need is the ability to fix what's wrong in their business.

01:19:56.466 --> 01:20:01.725
Then, you know, they, they have to engage that and try to come to that ability to do it.

01:20:01.756 --> 01:20:12.176
And they can't do it by talking to their buddy and they can't really talk to their competitors and they can't really talk to somebody, you know, you want to, you don't want the word getting out that your books are in trouble.

01:20:12.265 --> 01:20:12.676
Right.

01:20:13.695 --> 01:20:17.546
So yeah, you know that, that's another kiss of death.

01:20:17.546 --> 01:20:24.006
So, so LOCO becomes this really great advisory board and really something beautiful for people to actually engage in.

01:20:24.586 --> 01:20:28.265
We, I feel like it's a lot like if people go to church, a small group.

01:20:28.645 --> 01:20:34.105
You know, there's something where you have people that you trust, you can tell not your dirtiest secrets potentially, but some of them.

01:20:34.756 --> 01:20:39.445
Well, I like to tease my, uh, the church groups organizer guy for our church, Daniel.

01:20:39.975 --> 01:20:48.155
I'm like, dude, if you're, if our home groups could be as transparent and vulnerable as my local chapter is full of heathens, like we'd really have something here.

01:20:48.395 --> 01:20:53.376
Um, because I do think generally our groups are probably more authentic than the average church.

01:20:53.735 --> 01:20:54.475
Church small group.

01:20:54.525 --> 01:20:55.086
Yeah.

01:20:55.216 --> 01:20:57.185
Yeah, because you're gonna see those people every week.

01:20:57.185 --> 01:20:57.416
Yeah

01:20:58.296 --> 01:21:06.605
Yeah, no, it's true It's it's been really cool to see that and see the impact that people actually take from it because there really is genuine Impact for so many people in local world.

01:21:06.605 --> 01:21:13.775
And so yeah, it's been fun to do it I think we're picking apart some things that are really good I think probably trying to help get closer to how does it become

01:21:13.775 --> 01:21:15.475
repeatable and

01:21:15.506 --> 01:21:17.515
more of a system than it is Kurt's deal.

01:21:17.725 --> 01:21:18.155
Right.

01:21:18.195 --> 01:21:18.506
Right.

01:21:18.525 --> 01:21:18.725
A hundred percent.

01:21:18.725 --> 01:21:20.006
Which was kind of my goal coming in.

01:21:20.046 --> 01:21:20.546
Yeah.

01:21:21.865 --> 01:21:29.636
More of probably an ambassadorship kind of a thing than like a, Real sales person or multiple sales people.

01:21:29.725 --> 01:21:30.365
Yeah, that's not

01:21:30.895 --> 01:21:31.555
repeatable Kind of a product

01:21:31.615 --> 01:21:40.195
and it's not that repeatable in the world that we're in I don't think we've talked a lot about this the lack of sales people Generally speaking right people don't know how to sell or pick up the phone or

01:21:40.326 --> 01:21:40.735
right

01:21:40.826 --> 01:21:43.576
do whatever or have a conversation with people And so I think there's a

01:21:43.576 --> 01:21:44.996
notion of a gatekeeper.

01:21:45.065 --> 01:21:45.435
Yeah,

01:21:45.615 --> 01:21:49.615
you know and Yeah, we could probably wax onto that.

01:21:49.805 --> 01:22:01.070
One thing I wanted to ask is you probably met with people Yeah, some, whatever, a dozen or more people that have known about LOCO for a while, like, you know, I said, Hey, this person would be good.

01:22:01.841 --> 01:22:08.121
What would you say was the, were, was or were the biggest impediments?

01:22:08.331 --> 01:22:09.841
People are afraid of giving up their time.

01:22:10.150 --> 01:22:10.480
Yeah.

01:22:10.541 --> 01:22:11.131
It's not even money.

01:22:11.690 --> 01:22:12.820
They're afraid of giving up their time.

01:22:12.820 --> 01:22:14.140
Some of it's money, of course.

01:22:14.150 --> 01:22:17.951
You know, if you're a fledgling business, it's tough to come up with a couple hundred bucks a month or whatever.

01:22:18.951 --> 01:22:24.291
It's not that it's time people feel that there are everybody's pressed for time.

01:22:24.291 --> 01:22:24.501
Yeah.

01:22:24.501 --> 01:22:40.701
The sense of urgency that has come from our technological always in your brain world makes people believe that they don't have four hours of a day, which is a month, a month, which is a sad, That's a sad indictment upon us as a people,

01:22:41.350 --> 01:22:45.291
um, but also well, and as to their relationships and things like that, too, right?

01:22:45.291 --> 01:22:51.291
If you don't have four hours a month to work in your business, how much time are you spending working on your marriage?

01:22:51.320 --> 01:22:53.310
Yeah, or your relationship with your daughter?

01:22:54.140 --> 01:23:06.485
It's it's really a sad indictment of our of our moment and I don't I'm sympathetic to it because I think a lot of felt it too of course like and You know, our money doesn't buy nearly what it did, and now everything is more expensive.

01:23:06.485 --> 01:23:11.815
And, you know, you look around and you're like, Oh my God, what, where did this, where's the hole in the bucket in my bank account, you know?

01:23:12.416 --> 01:23:15.546
And a lot of that just comes from the fact that everything's gotten more expensive.

01:23:15.546 --> 01:23:22.145
And so, you know, people are working, they're working really hard and they're trying to really make it and living here has, is a very expensive place to live.

01:23:22.195 --> 01:23:22.536
Right.

01:23:22.645 --> 01:23:23.854
There's always something to do.

01:23:23.935 --> 01:23:27.235
So there's another great event to go to another beer to drink, another whatever to do.

01:23:27.235 --> 01:23:32.525
And so people, you know, it's disposable income is tough, but also people just.

01:23:33.086 --> 01:23:36.805
The time is just, there's always somebody, there was a demand on everybody's time.

01:23:37.376 --> 01:23:41.506
And so I think that's, uh, that's been the biggest impediment in anybody's conversations.

01:23:41.506 --> 01:23:43.036
I don't think it's the right time for me right now.

01:23:43.576 --> 01:23:49.815
And I would, you know, I've kind of always pushed back on it and say, well, if you say that, then there really probably isn't ever a good time, right?

01:23:49.876 --> 01:23:51.055
You'll always find me now.

01:23:51.086 --> 01:23:53.176
You'll always find a good excuse as to why not.

01:23:53.185 --> 01:23:53.595
Yeah.

01:23:53.615 --> 01:23:56.065
Um, you have to kind of find a reason to, um,

01:23:56.065 --> 01:24:09.076
what would you say would be the, the degree Either non information or mal information or like how many people didn't really know what local think tank really did

01:24:09.546 --> 01:24:10.086
most of them

01:24:10.595 --> 01:24:10.985
Right.

01:24:11.025 --> 01:24:16.296
Yeah, even though they've been on my newsletter for years Probably some of my blogs and they've

01:24:16.336 --> 01:24:19.055
even been on the podcast or talk to you personally Right.

01:24:19.496 --> 01:24:25.650
I think people are also generally skeptical of networking So I think most people are like B

01:24:25.650 --> 01:24:31.461
and I has messed up the pool for us Like they saw B and I getting out of the pool and they're like, oh that guy peed in there.

01:24:31.570 --> 01:24:32.360
Yeah for sure.

01:24:32.381 --> 01:24:36.831
Totally We're not a networking organization for those of you listen No,

01:24:37.001 --> 01:24:55.166
but I think people really think that that's what it is And so they're they're skeptical of that and they also you know a number of conversations I had were like was this just this is No, this is not to disparage chiropractors and real estate agents Cause I am one, but a lot of people think that that's what these groups are, which is just the fledgling chiropractor and the guy that needs to figure out how to be in the.

01:24:55.235 --> 01:24:58.166
At least get three customers in his real estate real estate business.

01:24:58.166 --> 01:24:59.083
And so, which

01:24:59.083 --> 01:25:02.145
is not what this is, it's not one local is at all.

01:25:02.145 --> 01:25:05.636
And it's, it's factually, in fact, dramatically almost opposite of those things.

01:25:05.636 --> 01:25:06.975
It's really isn't a networking thing.

01:25:06.975 --> 01:25:08.225
It's really more of just the chance.

01:25:08.716 --> 01:25:13.926
You almost wouldn't want to sell to the people in your group, you know, because they almost become two front, too much of a friend.

01:25:13.945 --> 01:25:20.661
Like they really become these, these Not that you would turn their business down, but I think you, you, Yeah, you know, we have a policy

01:25:20.661 --> 01:25:23.591
that you're supposed to clear it with the group before you enter into it.

01:25:23.690 --> 01:25:27.400
Because it, it, it would do damage to the, the situation.

01:25:27.411 --> 01:25:27.740
Right.

01:25:27.780 --> 01:25:28.350
Potentially.

01:25:28.360 --> 01:25:28.701
If you're

01:25:28.701 --> 01:25:35.310
selling insurance in the group and you know that basically all the insurance is a bunch of baloney, why would you harm these people that you care about?

01:25:35.711 --> 01:25:36.150
Just kidding.

01:25:36.201 --> 01:25:36.930
That's for you, Brandon.

01:25:37.871 --> 01:25:38.961
If you're still listening, Brandon.

01:25:40.206 --> 01:25:40.996
I have it out for you.

01:25:41.206 --> 01:26:01.136
Just for our listeners, Brandon Avery is, uh, is alongside with Aaron, uh, a couple of ambassadors and advocates for Loco Think Tank and long time members and facilitators and oh, and if you're listening, Aaron is going to, um, we're going to launch a builders chapter with Aaron as the facilitator, probably in.

01:26:01.650 --> 01:26:08.091
September, October, you know, we'll maybe have an organizing thing in September and a real launch in October or something.

01:26:08.091 --> 01:26:18.161
So, uh, if that's something, and this is for builders, uh, which is what we call the under five employees, typically under half a million in revenues.

01:26:18.761 --> 01:26:23.631
You're off the ground, you've got customers, you're not starving to death, you have a root for real business.

01:26:23.680 --> 01:26:23.871
Yep.

01:26:24.480 --> 01:26:31.871
And you want to get from that 80, 000 a year business up to that 300, 000 and then, um, then 500, a million.

01:26:31.980 --> 01:26:32.161
Yeah.

01:26:32.711 --> 01:26:33.740
Um, so that's cool.

01:26:33.770 --> 01:26:34.451
That's yeah.

01:26:34.451 --> 01:26:35.390
And then I'm looking forward to that.

01:26:35.390 --> 01:26:36.940
I think that's been, it's been good.

01:26:36.940 --> 01:26:44.110
I mean, I've really appreciated getting to know the business more and understand what it is that is happening and how it works and kind of under the, under the hood of it.

01:26:44.280 --> 01:26:44.961
So yeah, you've been

01:26:44.961 --> 01:26:47.780
a member a couple of different times, but that's one angle.

01:26:47.951 --> 01:26:48.631
That's one perspective.

01:26:48.631 --> 01:26:48.951
Different,

01:26:48.980 --> 01:26:50.081
different deal to be on this side of it.

01:26:50.081 --> 01:26:54.211
And it's been really fun to feel like if people would take the time out to.

01:26:54.490 --> 01:26:57.220
To participate and do this, they would find benefit from it.

01:26:57.220 --> 01:27:00.831
I'm almost, I can't think of a single business that wouldn't benefit from it at this point.

01:27:00.850 --> 01:27:02.970
And even people that say, oh, I've done stuff like that.

01:27:02.970 --> 01:27:03.720
I'm I'm all right,

01:27:03.720 --> 01:27:03.940
right.

01:27:03.940 --> 01:27:04.180
Yeah.

01:27:04.180 --> 01:27:05.341
I talked to a consultant one time.

01:27:05.341 --> 01:27:07.050
It's not, it's not

01:27:07.051 --> 01:27:15.881
that it's the relationships that I think are so significant and that are so important in this and that are, is lost in business, which is just, you just don't have those relationships.

01:27:15.890 --> 01:27:29.011
Well, You have relationships, but like you have relationships with your suppliers, your employers and stuff, but it's not the kind of relationship that accommodates vulnerability and transparency and realness about stuff.

01:27:29.070 --> 01:27:30.890
No, you can't tell your supplier you're behind.

01:27:30.980 --> 01:27:31.301
Yeah.

01:27:31.570 --> 01:27:32.911
And you need that supply.

01:27:32.911 --> 01:27:34.560
I can't pay you in advance for this.

01:27:35.076 --> 01:27:41.975
Product, because I'm not sure if I can make payroll next month, unless you can front me that just be real about that.

01:27:41.985 --> 01:27:42.765
Can't go through that stuff.

01:27:42.775 --> 01:27:43.145
So,

01:27:43.206 --> 01:27:43.445
yeah.

01:27:43.445 --> 01:27:45.655
So anyway, I think, uh, it's been really cool.

01:27:45.666 --> 01:27:48.055
I think I'm very excited about the future of Loco.

01:27:48.055 --> 01:27:57.315
I think it's got tremendous legs and traction to be something great if we can really dial the recipe in and get it to figure it, you know, a way in which it's wash, rinse, repeatable type of thing.

01:27:57.416 --> 01:27:58.886
Um, you know, I think we can get there.

01:27:59.046 --> 01:27:59.286
Yeah.

01:27:59.405 --> 01:27:59.775
Awesome.

01:28:00.126 --> 01:28:04.060
Um, Any recent loco experiences that you'd like to share?

01:28:05.171 --> 01:28:06.951
Any old stories, anything like that?

01:28:07.390 --> 01:28:08.541
Gosh, that's a good question.

01:28:08.591 --> 01:28:13.100
Uh, I always think about that when I'm driving over here and then I always space out and get distracted.

01:28:13.581 --> 01:28:24.591
I was offering you a, uh, a two up ride on my BMW motorcycle through, uh, through Bighorn Canyon when we first started working together.

01:28:25.570 --> 01:28:26.720
I said, yeah, that sounds fun.

01:28:26.720 --> 01:28:27.791
And you said, you're a liar.

01:28:29.091 --> 01:28:30.211
Basically that, yeah.

01:28:30.661 --> 01:28:36.760
I do believe that you would enjoy riding a motorcycle through that canyon once you had enough experience.

01:28:37.140 --> 01:28:43.600
Confidence and stuff, but I'm not really sure you would ever enjoy writing two up with somebody going way too fast.

01:28:43.600 --> 01:28:43.881
No, no,

01:28:44.211 --> 01:28:44.900
I wouldn't.

01:28:47.560 --> 01:28:49.270
So maybe I was just being nice.

01:28:50.490 --> 01:28:55.320
Oh, what's a good story about local stuff here that I'm trying to think of?

01:28:55.411 --> 01:28:57.650
Well, did I tell my secret service one last time?

01:28:57.805 --> 01:29:00.145
About the, uh, yeah, from the mom.

01:29:00.145 --> 01:29:00.676
I did that one.

01:29:00.685 --> 01:29:01.015
Yeah.

01:29:01.015 --> 01:29:05.626
Like when you were like in high school, just becoming a voter almost becoming a voter, we told that story.

01:29:05.655 --> 01:29:06.246
Gosh, I don't know.

01:29:06.246 --> 01:29:07.036
You know, I don't have a,

01:29:07.246 --> 01:29:09.956
do you have any, uh, best fishing stories?

01:29:11.725 --> 01:29:13.326
Well, yeah, you know, actually

01:29:13.336 --> 01:29:15.716
you've been, you've spent a lot of time in the stream over the years.

01:29:15.716 --> 01:29:16.076
I have.

01:29:16.076 --> 01:29:16.386
Yeah.

01:29:16.416 --> 01:29:22.935
Um, probably my favorite, this is a little sentimental actually, you know, kind of grown up around here.

01:29:22.975 --> 01:29:24.405
Um, we.

01:29:24.626 --> 01:29:32.536
Years ago, my granddad, um, had a guy from the Diamond Tail Ranch, which is clear over on the other side on the Laramie River.

01:29:32.536 --> 01:29:34.935
It's, you take the Laramie River Road in between there and Woods Landing.

01:29:35.395 --> 01:29:40.076
A huge ranch, cattle ranch there, and the guy wanted to join the country club.

01:29:40.520 --> 01:29:41.121
And we had just,

01:29:41.121 --> 01:29:43.400
no, just here.

01:29:43.430 --> 01:29:44.001
Oh, just right here.

01:29:44.001 --> 01:29:44.220
Yeah.

01:29:44.220 --> 01:29:44.480
Yeah.

01:29:44.850 --> 01:29:46.780
And my granddad had just started the country club.

01:29:46.780 --> 01:29:48.541
So he, he built the country club too.

01:29:48.581 --> 01:29:49.100
Yeah, of course.

01:29:49.100 --> 01:29:50.711
Oh, I didn't realize he built that too.

01:29:50.711 --> 01:29:55.490
Everything big, big shoes, big, deep shadows.

01:29:56.020 --> 01:30:01.951
Um, so he and a couple of other guys, about five guys that, um, decided to do the country club.

01:30:01.951 --> 01:30:02.711
They kind of put it together.

01:30:03.291 --> 01:30:04.690
And my granddad loved to fish.

01:30:04.740 --> 01:30:08.390
And so this guy came over from, drove all the way over from there.

01:30:08.530 --> 01:30:09.100
Sure

01:30:09.650 --> 01:30:10.850
said, I wanna join your country club.

01:30:11.301 --> 01:30:15.860
Well, if you live in Woods Landing area, like the closest real town, I mean, you got, but

01:30:16.320 --> 01:30:17.881
back then Yeah, I know.

01:30:18.291 --> 01:30:26.030
So comes over and, um, he said, well, I tell you what, I, I won't, I don't want charge you.

01:30:27.001 --> 01:30:31.860
Uh, a fee for the country club, but I want to fish your land.

01:30:32.060 --> 01:30:32.461
Okay.

01:30:32.791 --> 01:30:35.761
So he sets up this thing called the diamond tail fishing ranch.

01:30:35.940 --> 01:30:39.650
And so, so like almost a swap, like a swap members back.

01:30:39.890 --> 01:30:46.020
So, yeah, so you, he, people could go up there and pay a membership and fish on the river and then some people could come down here and he's going to come go.

01:30:46.900 --> 01:30:48.850
So we did, he did that and

01:30:48.951 --> 01:30:50.661
we were, that was probably a win, win for both.

01:30:50.661 --> 01:30:51.081
Oh yeah.

01:30:51.081 --> 01:30:51.671
Organizations.

01:30:52.820 --> 01:30:54.030
Fishing members there forever.

01:30:54.030 --> 01:30:56.190
And then it changed owners and did a bunch of things.

01:30:56.190 --> 01:30:59.701
And the club kind of continued to go on through the eighties and nineties.

01:30:59.701 --> 01:31:05.371
And then it kind of went into other ownership and they stopped the club and it was expensive and this, that, and the other thing.

01:31:05.371 --> 01:31:09.560
And so we didn't really do it, but a few years ago, it was for 2015.

01:31:09.690 --> 01:31:11.541
Um, I.

01:31:11.746 --> 01:31:13.296
Found out that the club was still operational.

01:31:13.296 --> 01:31:14.536
My granddad was still alive.

01:31:14.645 --> 01:31:14.826
Yeah.

01:31:14.876 --> 01:31:19.485
And so I, um, I bought a membership to go fish the diamond tail.

01:31:19.496 --> 01:31:19.695
Oh, okay.

01:31:19.706 --> 01:31:21.626
Cause I hadn't fished it since I was a little kid, sure.

01:31:21.636 --> 01:31:24.405
And those were in the eighties, nineties, whatever it was, but I had fished it last.

01:31:24.996 --> 01:31:28.445
Um, and so I said, well, let's go fishing.

01:31:28.996 --> 01:31:38.796
Um, and so we ended up You know, we tried all summer and my dad, so the three of us, we tried all summer and we just couldn't quite get it together.

01:31:38.796 --> 01:31:45.485
And by the end of August, um, he, we finally had a, it was August 31st actually, right before, uh, Labor Day.

01:31:45.636 --> 01:31:49.095
And we went up and he said, yeah, I can do it.

01:31:49.105 --> 01:31:49.865
So we went.

01:31:50.416 --> 01:31:55.046
And we went to, uh, through Laramie and we bought some flies and he said, you got to have this fly.

01:31:55.046 --> 01:31:56.176
And it was a funny fly.

01:31:56.176 --> 01:31:57.015
I'd never seen before.

01:31:57.015 --> 01:32:00.105
And, um, he said, this is the Wyoming renegade or something like that.

01:32:00.105 --> 01:32:06.185
And so we've got this fly that he wanted to buy for me at the woodsland or at, uh, at the West Laramie fly shore.

01:32:06.855 --> 01:32:08.466
We'd drive up and fish all day.

01:32:08.496 --> 01:32:17.746
And, um, I, my granddad was getting old at that point, he was 86 or so, and struggled to walk around in the river a little bit, just kind of fell, fell a couple of times.

01:32:17.746 --> 01:32:21.206
I just stopped fishing and kind of went with him.

01:32:21.280 --> 01:32:29.881
Um, and just let my dad fish and my, and I just kind of watched my granddad, um, fish and, and it turned out that was the last time he went fishing.

01:32:30.051 --> 01:32:35.201
So, uh, he and I got to watch my grandpa fish on his last trip and, uh, did

01:32:35.201 --> 01:32:36.751
the renegade bring anything home?

01:32:37.011 --> 01:32:56.980
Well, I didn't fish it, so I don't know, but I still have it in my box and I won't fish it because it's so, it's so sentimental to me now, um, that I, I don't, uh, I don't, I don't fish it, but, um, It was a great, it was a great kind of fine, fond memory of something that he had put together in his last fishing adventure of his life.

01:32:57.011 --> 01:32:57.421
Yeah, yeah.

01:32:57.890 --> 01:32:59.360
He died the next February, so.

01:32:59.411 --> 01:32:59.940
Oh, wow.

01:32:59.970 --> 01:33:02.251
Um, so yeah, that was the last time he went fishing.

01:33:02.280 --> 01:33:04.081
Wow, I didn't realize that was eight years ago now.

01:33:04.131 --> 01:33:04.951
Yeah, that's a long time ago.

01:33:05.011 --> 01:33:05.570
Wow.

01:33:05.631 --> 01:33:06.230
Yeah, it's crazy.

01:33:06.350 --> 01:33:19.211
It's, it's weird because, We were just getting, we had been acquainted for a while, but it almost feels like that season was when our friendship really was finding its cement, if you will.

01:33:19.350 --> 01:33:19.720
yeah.

01:33:20.421 --> 01:33:20.490
Yeah,

01:33:20.980 --> 01:33:27.461
it's, it's, it's, It's crazy to think, but, um, yeah, he's, uh, he's crazy.

01:33:27.461 --> 01:33:28.961
He's been gone since 2016.

01:33:28.980 --> 01:33:32.780
So, um, but yeah, anyway, that was, that's a fun memory.

01:33:32.780 --> 01:33:36.251
That's a fun loco experience that, uh, something connected to the country club.

01:33:36.390 --> 01:33:36.680
Yeah.

01:33:36.810 --> 01:33:37.610
Diamond tail ran

01:33:37.841 --> 01:33:39.979
around when, when, when was the country club planted?

01:33:40.301 --> 01:33:40.900
In the fifties.

01:33:40.970 --> 01:33:44.890
So it would have been, uh, 58, 59, somewhere in there, and so like

01:33:44.900 --> 01:33:46.591
60 plus years later,

01:33:46.680 --> 01:33:50.850
60 plus years later, we're, he's, we're trading, you know, I take him up to go fishing again.

01:33:50.930 --> 01:33:53.970
Bob was a young man when he put the country club thing together, apparently.

01:33:53.990 --> 01:33:54.140
My

01:33:54.140 --> 01:33:56.600
granddad moved here, I think moved here right after the Korean war.

01:33:56.600 --> 01:33:59.850
So he was probably 24, 25 years old when he started the lumberyard here.

01:34:00.020 --> 01:34:01.921
And then just like quickly just put it.

01:34:02.140 --> 01:34:04.051
Just, he said it many times.

01:34:04.081 --> 01:34:04.631
You can't.

01:34:04.685 --> 01:34:11.496
You know, I, he had the two best things in real estate, which was, he had location and he just happened to time it right.

01:34:11.636 --> 01:34:11.975
Right.

01:34:11.975 --> 01:34:15.775
You know, it was a place that everybody wanted to be and he happened to be in the right place.

01:34:15.786 --> 01:34:23.155
Well, and he was obviously used his skills and communications and mostly relationship building.

01:34:23.246 --> 01:34:24.155
That's exactly what it was.

01:34:24.235 --> 01:34:28.126
Um, to kind of coalesce a community around this little Bohunk place.

01:34:28.435 --> 01:34:38.025
Well, and, and that's what it took then, which is, I think, going all the way back to the beginning of our conversation, that's what I would really want for America again, this opportunity for someone like that.

01:34:38.105 --> 01:34:38.746
Yeah, let's have a

01:34:38.746 --> 01:34:40.685
community that says, this is our place.

01:34:40.685 --> 01:34:41.076
Yeah.

01:34:41.076 --> 01:34:45.615
And somebody who really didn't, I mean, he, he had an accounting degree.

01:34:46.036 --> 01:34:55.086
It wasn't like, he wasn't, he wasn't an expert in real estate development and he wasn't an expert in, but he's really loved people and he really loved this place.

01:34:55.136 --> 01:34:56.445
And so to the ability to get.

01:34:56.975 --> 01:35:04.945
all of those things at the table and create a community and create something great without a bunch of oppression or people on top of ya and all this Making it happen.

01:35:04.956 --> 01:35:05.815
Making it, ya know then You're

01:35:05.815 --> 01:35:07.485
inviting it to happen, not making it happen.

01:35:07.485 --> 01:35:07.765
Yeah.

01:35:07.765 --> 01:35:16.190
There's this really interesting beautiful spirit about America in the 50's and 60's here that I think allowed for That kind of recipe to happen.

01:35:16.190 --> 01:35:17.501
And I would love that for my children.

01:35:17.501 --> 01:35:19.690
I don't want them to fight the fight.

01:35:19.801 --> 01:35:23.940
I've had to fight, or my dad has had to fight to try to just succeed and be a,

01:35:25.020 --> 01:35:26.680
to do the right next thing.

01:35:26.791 --> 01:35:27.780
The next right thing.

01:35:27.930 --> 01:35:28.900
It shouldn't be so hard.

01:35:28.930 --> 01:35:29.230
No, it

01:35:29.230 --> 01:35:29.530
shouldn't.

01:35:29.581 --> 01:35:35.371
You should be able to just have a career and survive and do what you want to do using the talents that you've been given.

01:35:35.921 --> 01:35:40.520
And that doesn't, That doesn't happen in America very more, very much in you, not as easily anymore.

01:35:40.520 --> 01:35:41.680
And so it takes a lot of work.

01:35:41.680 --> 01:35:43.621
And so, yeah, that's a salute to

01:35:43.621 --> 01:35:46.850
salute to Bob, Godspeed, sir.

01:35:46.890 --> 01:35:48.280
I hope you're having good fun up there.

01:35:48.310 --> 01:35:49.020
I know he is.

01:35:50.331 --> 01:35:50.451
All

01:35:50.451 --> 01:35:50.621
right.

01:35:50.621 --> 01:35:51.871
Well, thanks for this conversation area.

01:35:52.110 --> 01:35:52.720
We'll see you next time.

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