EXPERIENCE 126 | Aaron Everitt - NoCo Real Estate Update, Robert Kennedy Jr., Free Speech, In Motion, & LoCo Member Experience

Aaron Everett is back at the Loco Experience Studio for our quarterly ish real estate update where we always remember there's opportunity in every market. We talk about current interest rates, inventory, especially along with longer term forecasts and trends. You'll want to be aware of. We also get into the dark horse candidacy of Robert Kennedy Jr. The still unreleased files surrounding the killing of J F K 60 years ago, really, and drift into some misinformation and discussion around free speech and AI and the nature of truth. After those deep topics, we check in with our number one sponsor for the Loco Experience in Motion, providing the best point-to-point delivery service in the region, and Aaron shares some thoughts on his loco think tank experience after five months as a member of the newest Next Level chapter. This one is a shorter conversation than some of our rambling episodes, so be sure to tune in and enjoy my most recent and sixth overall conversation with Aaron Everett on the Loco experience. Welcome back to the LO Experience Podcast. My guest today is again, Aaron Everett, uh, our one sponsor of the show currently, but I have a booked a second sponsor, so hey. Good for you. Yeah, that's great. So, uh, do you want to just remind people that might not have listened to those previous, like who you are, what you're up to? Sure. Uh, Aaron Everett and kind of involved in all things Northern Colorado related to lots of different things, small business, real estate, um, Yeah, just kind of, uh, man about town, I suppose in, in many ways. But, um, mostly focusing on real estate mo mostly focusing on small business. Fair enough. Yeah. And in motion, your, your other, yeah. Your smallest business. Yes. In some ways Yes. Or at least youngest is Youngest is our sponsor here. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. So, um, what, where do you wanna start today? We've got a lot of current events. We've got Supreme Court decisions. Yeah. Uh, opinions about. Free speech and our tendency to talk about liberty. And we, you started talking about how you literally like R F K Jr the other day. Yes. I really do like him. Uh, yeah, let's start my favorite line. I'm gonna look this up because uh, I need to make sure I get the quote correct, but my favorite thing that I read yesterday on the 4th of July, which is always one of the great holidays for me in my world.'cause I just genuinely do believe fully that the American experiment is still a valid one and one that's really beautiful. Um, that there was a court decision yesterday that kind of put a, I guess it was an injunction, I suppose, against the Biden administration for their, uh, influence and talking with social media. So I thought that was a, uh, very huge, um, Kind of win for free speech in a country. And I'm gonna find the quote here at some, at some point. One of the interesting things, uh, because like a lot of the Twitter files and stuff that, that media suppression and change, there was government involvement there too, right? Yeah. But that was before Biden was even president. So you say Biden administration, that's who the subject was, but it's really against the government, the bureaucracy. Yeah. The, the c I A, the f b I, the whole, whole thing. They named, they named nearly every alphabet agency in the, uh, in the brief yesterday. Yeah. And put a restraining. On their in or an injunction of these executive branch sort of like, Hey, you can't, it doesn't matter who this is, but you can't, um, you can't engage in this, you can't make private business. Do what you legally can't do. Yeah, exactly. In terms of suppression of speech. So even if, even if everyone, and a lot of people's arguments all the way along, um, through this whole thing has been that, you know, well these are private companies and so they can do what they want to do and they can suppress speech because they're not really part of the government. But really what is interesting is that this injection in of government into the private operations, um, That, that has never happened that I can remember in my lifetime particularly. I'm sure there was like influence in newspapers and different things like that. Yeah. And I I, and it was illegal then too. It was illegal then. Uh, but it is certainly illegal now. And, and I think one of the really interesting things is like, as you start to talk about some of the things that have happened over the course of our history, you know, I think you, you, it, it's been said that like Rockefeller and some of the guys, uh, Carnegie and some of the stuff that were like the business tycoons had no, there really was no restraint against them in that era. So they were wealthier than Elon Musk. They were wealthier than, um mm-hmm. You know, most of our people that are kind. Yeah. Lot company towns, people, virtually owned people again. Yeah. Um, and uh, it's so really interesting to sort of see their, um, You know, that influence and, and what ended up coming out of that was a huge reaction. So you had labor unions that came out of that. You certainly had monopoly trust busting kind of stuff. Yep, yep. All of that came out. Yeah. Teddy Roosevelt Yeah. Came out of that. This Yeah, exactly. You have like almost of a third party revolution that comes out, that there's some things that happened in that era that I think, um, are similar. Did you not find your quote? I didn't find my quote. That's alright. But I'm gonna, I'll, I'll paraphrase it because I think it'll be close. Um, but, but basically we are in a very similar scenario where we have this court and, and they, those guys handpick presidents. I mean, you, you can go back to the, the banking crisis of the early 19 hundreds. JP Morgan basically finances the federal government. He's that large. Mm-hmm. And the federal government is that small that Morgan actually loans the money to the federal government, um, back in that era in their insolvency. So there's. You, you would have to say that that man had a pretty large seat at the table, I would imagine. Yes. And, uh, and so yeah, really fascinating to be in this moment. So yesterday, uh, this injunction comes out 150 page brief about what. What has happened over the last, uh, three years, very much dovetailing, Gorsuch's opinion on the Supreme Court about his kind of, sort of, uh, adjoining opinion about what happened with free speech. That was excellent. If people haven't read Gorsuch's opinion on free speech and what happened in Covid absolutely. Should be read. It's like, and what's that associated with which decision? That was a case. That was a decision. I can't remember which decision it was related to. Um, but it came out in the, in ear mid-June, you know, as the court starts to sort of put their stuff out. Yeah. This was one of the first cases decided. And, and Gorsuch's sort of adjoining opinion. It wasn't even, it wasn't necessarily the opinion of the court, it was just like, you know how they kind of secondary Yeah. How they, how they do their deal. Me too. Yeah, me too. Here's some additional but background for me. Here's some more stuff you need to hear. Right. Um, his opinion in that particular case was fantastic. Yeah. And I'll. Again, probably, uh, we can maybe put it in notes or whatever, but that was one of the things that was really cool. But this opinion yesterday was equally as good and equally as ferocious about free speech. And it basically was that, um, each American, the, the paraphrase that I was, what I was looking for is that each American is their own autonomous individual and they have the right to decide. What it is that they find to be the opinion of truth or not. Hmm. It isn't someone else's decision to make that, especially not the government and especially not the government. Yeah, fair enough. So, well that's exciting. Very exciting. I think I, it's been, it's been a big, I mean that's why Elon Musk blew$40 billion buying Twitter. Yep. Uh, of basically valueless company in reality. Oh yeah. Hopefully it was mostly that, you know, he might have nefarious purpose as well, and a lot of, he wants to build X and Yeah, he bought, bought a brand, uh, he bought a brand that was, uh, valuable. I think the brand is valuable, whether it's worth$40 billion, I would probably have a lot to say about that. And I think even in it probably will be, probably will be at some point. I, I think even, uh, but his opinion on that, I think is, is a noble one, uh, to even say that, you know, if that's the cost of keeping speech free, then that's worth it. Right. Yeah. And, and I think that's noble. I think that's really good. I, I, um, Yeah. You and I have talked a bunch about the last number of years and the issues that are associated with just what happened with Covid and Lockdowns and speaking, um, misinformation and all that. Yeah, exactly. You know, who determines what is misinformation and who's the smartest guy in the room? Yeah. That gets to decide all this. It's one of the reasons that I think I'm probably most compelled by this moment of this. It's like, I think we really are at this kind of rock and a hard place to deciding what we wanna be, right. As a country and Well, and with ai, uh, yeah. And the capabilities of those kind of systems to monitor and patrol and create, uh, and, and be swayed by the inputs of the makers and stuff. Like if we don't have human free speech available. We're a short hop from. Yeah. It becomes a really weird world, right? Yeah. And I, not, not anyone that I want for my children, and certainly not wanting anyone for that. I think most people would want, frankly. So, uh, in that vein, like when I think about free speech and, and tyranny and whatever, like I think about like digital central currencies. Yeah. Uh, and you know, Bitcoin and those kinds of elements, you know? Yeah. Bitcoin being kind of, A marker of, of freedom because nobody controls it in a way. Yeah. And a digital central currency issued by our Fed or Yep. Some collective basket of currencies for a one world government or something that's like, oh, that guy just did this, said this thing on social media, or, you know, led this protest against their farms being taken away. Yeah. And so his money is turned off and his wife's money is turned off. Well, you have to go back to the Canadian truckers conversation.'cause I think it really is the center of the conversation around, you know, like what actually happened to people and, and if you watched what happened, you were just guilty by association with that. Let's say you gave to the GoFundMe page, you're a Canadian citizen, they turned your bank account off. Right. That's crazy. They could give$25. Yeah. Or something, whatever. That's crazy's crazy. And there were people that, yeah. Couldn't pay their child support and different things that were going on all simply because they just had mortgage different, yeah. Just had a different opinion about this thing that was going on. Um, I, I still think when we go backwards, there's a, in, at, at the Parliament building in Canada, if Canada ever becomes free again, uh, at the Parliament building there's a Terry Fox statue who's a guy that ran across Canada. It's sort of as a hero related to cancer and stuff. Um, it's a, it's a symbolic deal. I, I think at some point they're gonna have to do a bronze of a truck and put it at Parliament because I, I think it'll be really one of those moments that if we actually decide to be a Liberty oriented people and Western Civilization decides that that's the path that they want to go down. Um, The trucks will have been the moment. Yeah, for sure. I would agree with that. I think that's the moment. If you haven't heard it, uh, there's a really good podcast. Uh, Jordan Peterson interviewed. Oh yeah. The gal that organized that trucker convoy stuff. Yeah. Was kind of the hub of this person there. Tamara Lynch. Yeah, that's her. Yeah. About maybe a couple weeks ago. Or Tamara Lynch or whatever. Yeah, yeah. Something like that. Yeah. Pretty interesting conversation. And I mean, honestly, when you hear her and her story and her motivations and stuff, you almost can't help but like her a lot, you know? And just be thankful that there's people that are action oriented like that and willing to hang it out there. Well, that's one of the most interesting things that ever happened. I mean, it was a peaceful protest. It wasn't a single thing done in that space that was, uh, maybe parking the trucks on the street overnight was illegal, potentially. Yeah. Um, blocking right of aways was probably illegal beyond that it was, but it was not violent. Right. You know, it was very, it was certainly a much more behaved protest than the BBL M stuff. Absolutely. You know, and all the fires and riots with, or cha or whatever else. Right? Yeah, for sure. So, so much more respectful. Yeah. And so I think when you look, if we look back on this time and the time actually affords itself to, we be free enough to be able to do that. Those are the people that I think were the catalyst for this fantastic, uh, rebirth of what makes Western civilization as capable and competent and wonderful as it is, which is that we can disagree with one another and we can do that in a way that's civil and um, Respectful, but still have outcomes that are well, semi civil. Yeah. I mean, I, I mean, well two things. You know, we got a kind of a 6, 3, 5, 4 conservative court right now. Yeah. Uh, It's, you know, a whisker away from anything, and it could have been four or five the other way around for sure, or something like that. And the level of criticism and like threats and different things to our Supreme Court in the media, like prevalent in the media, just people flat out calling them a corrupt office that needs to be, you know, expanded and diluted to get those crazies. That's super, I mean that's the narrative right now. Oh yeah. If you read some of the Twitter that that's, you know, oh yeah. Well absolutely. So the interesting thing is it's like, uh, if you go back to the beginning of the United States, um, Marshall is really the first judge that really asserts this thought that there's supremacy in the court and their jurisdiction is the final arbitration. And Jefferson has this massive argument with him out loud in the open about that, that that is not the intention of the Constitution, that they would be the final judgment. But really his sort of the, the first Supreme Court justice's opinions, Marshall's opinions basically become the doctrine that. Sort of holds all firm all the way through. Jefferson at the time says, this is ridiculous. Like you're a co-equal branch of government. You are not the final say in how things go. This particular court is much more in tune with Jeffersonian. Stuff than they are with that idea that they are the top of the, we're the decider. Yeah. Yeah. They keep pushing everything back to the states. Even this affirmative act action decision that happened the other day. Yeah. If you read the opinion, it's much more about that. This is not the government's responsibility to decide winners and losers. If the state wants to do something like this, they have the option to do these kinds of things. Interesting. Yeah. Happen in abortion, it's hap the court is clearly deferring. Yeah. Them, they're, they're finally, finally, finally, after federal, federal power. After, after 250 years. Now, if we can just get federal budgets to follow the power exertion, maybe we can actually have a country again. In a hundred years, these people are pushing all of those decisions back down to the local level, and I can't, I mean, it's just very clear. They're not gonna take this on, they're not gonna take on controversial decisions without deferring it back to the states. Hmm. They say that the states have the ability to make these decisions, and if they want do it, they should. Hmm. And they won't. They won't. So like California could then pass something that says, in California we have affirmative actions Yes. If they wanna do it. And the same with abortion. Yeah. The same is true. Sure. Yeah. The course, the course of action is the choice of the state. What do you think then about this notion that, okay, so if I'm in whatever I'm in, uh, Nebraska, where abortion's illegal and I want to travel to Colorado where it's legal, should that be something that's any of the, any of Nebraska's business or because I've got free travel and stuff like that? Like that's, that's to me feels like it kind of negates abortion being illegal in a lot of states. Because if you can't get a bus ticket to the adjoining state that, where it's legal, then. You know, it must not be that hard of a problem, I guess. I mean, yeah. I mean, I don't want, I guess the south might be different, right? There's four states away or six states Yeah. Get there. Certainly don't wanna, I certainly don't wanna diminish, uh, impoverished people's inability to, to move and travel freely. Like I might be able to, I don't wanna say that that's like something that's just everyone has access at. However, I do think that at some level, if that's really something that people feel like they're so inclined to do and they, they need to be in that position, I have a feeling that they'll figure out a way to do it. Yeah. And, and they'll hitchhike or whatever that takes. And I, I, again, I don't want to make that a diminishing and we don't want conversation making that decision. I don't, don't them to do that. Don't for it. Right. It's not a preference. But I, I do think that that's just one of those issues that let, let, let each individual place and locale decide. I would prefer that if that even came down to the city level. Hmm. That if, if a city in, you know, if, if if mobile, because they're probably more liberally minded than. Tuske Alabama. Right. Right. If they decide that that's what they want to do, then they should be able to do that. It shouldn't, the bigger that behemoth is that says what somebody should be able to do, the worse it is. Yeah. I think, in my opinion, well, I think about like Fort Collins here was a dry town until what, like the late sixties? Yeah. Or late sixties. Yeah. You know, is that like, would, is that even, could that be done in today's world or would the state say No, we have the, we're the deciders on issues like that. They or the feds even. Right. Yeah. Well eventually they made, they made us all be the kind of 21 homogenized and 55 Yep. Speed limit and then eventually, you know, other things. Yeah. I think any of that stuff is like, uh, should be certainly pushed back to local level. And the court clearly is making their as assertations that that's how they want to handle this. Yeah. They are deferring every, pretty much every judgment is coming back down to let the state decide. And if the state can't decide, let the local levels decide it and, and, and let the chips fall where they fall. Hmm. And I, I think that's a much better model. Yeah, we're, we're a very big country, so I don't think you're gonna ever get 350 million people to move in the same direction. Right. I doubt it. Well, and we like to do things locally here. Yeah. Anyway, right. Absolutely. So, yeah, I, I do think that's an interesting thing. You brought up our F k I, I'm a, I've become a very large fan of him. I think he, uh, he's the first podcast president if there's gonna be something like that. Um, well, ves got a pretty good podcast as well. He does actually. And I like Vivek a lot. Vivek, however you say it. Vivek, sorry. Yeah. Uh, I like both of them. I can say Ram Swami way easier than I can say. For whatever reason. I like both of them tremendously. I think they're both the most interesting people in politics for this season. Whether they make it out of, you know, right. Next week. I have no idea. But I think they're the most interesting people. Yeah. Um, I think Kennedy is, uh, super intriguing in that he really, I dismissed him immediately. You know, I have for most of his life, simply because he's a, a, a, he's guilty by association. I mean, I, I just think he's a democrat and there's this sort of, uh, stigma around that. And he is not, not only that, but he is a liberal Democrat. You right. And that was really something that was dismissible. As you listen, as I've listened to him, whether that's through podcast stuff or his own speeches or his stuff on his website, I'm very intrigued by somebody who seems to be the last honest liberal. He's a pretty classical liberal. He is, you know, with some progressive leanings and certainly, yeah, and I think. Of, of the, we'll say progressive causes, like environmentalism. Yeah. I'm all about, yeah. Kind of like I, I want to protect, you know, companies dumping chemicals into rivers that, well, we ought to screwed the downstream people and stuff like that. We can have those kinda externalities be unaddressed. And I appreciate his take on climate stuff because I think, um, he recognizes and, or at least has articulated any way that he recognizes that, um, The whole global warming, climate change stuff has just this propensity towards top down leadership control. Yeah. And his sense is, well we should probably focus on the local level in terms of fixing the environment. So are there issues habitat wise, locally that we should fix and address? Yeah, probably waterways and, you know, watersheds and water and wetlands. But also are there environmental polluters that are just clearly causing issue local harm to an environment? We should probably address those before we can ever,'cause at least that can be a democratic process. Sure. Yeah. That can at least be something like, well we have studies, we have this stuff, we can make an opinion about this. Well, and I think even power generation. Yeah. Um, you know, right now even the, the current climate of electricity generation, we're moving that stuff around a lot. Yes, we are. And you know, like if I'm in Arizona, Am am I gonna invest in a, in a solar power generation? Plant? Plant? If I'm the local utility? Probably. Maybe it's a good, you got a lot of sun a lot of the time. Right? Whatever. I appreciate his take on all of that, which is like, make everybody an energy entrepreneur, right? Let, let everybody be, if they want to put something on their roof and sell it back to the grid, the problem is that you have to sell it back to a conglomerate, right? At this point, if you could figure out a way or a methodology that would allow. Yeah. Microgrids, microgrids or, or that kind of thing. A wind farmer in, in North Dakota who probably, if they did choose to do that versus their crop, they might actually have a higher value to their land. Oh sure. They would, uh, certainly they would be able to do that. Right now they don't have the, the infrastructure to sell it back to anybody, so it's Sure. So there's only so much of that that can go on. If you made those people individual energy entrepreneurs where the wind blows every day, uh, you might find that those people, if the infrastructure was there and we invested in that as a country, then that, that's a valuable thing to me. One, uh, one thing I haven't heard from R F K is his openness to nuclear power expansion. Mostly from a environmentally, he's got the, yeah. Who nuclear waste is yucky, kind of For sure. Notion. And whereas I see if we could provide a bigger stream of nuclear waste, somebody smart would figure out how to make batteries outta that shit or something. Oh, yeah. You know, and it isn't that much anyway, like we haven't even created a stadium full of nuclear, like a. Not even close. No, there's not enough. There isn't enough data there, I don't think either. But one of the things that I have appreciated, at least in his stance, which I, I heard at a town hall maybe a couple weeks ago, which was, um, look, if nuclear energy can pay its way and it can do, and it, and we can address those impacts and they pay and it pays for its costs, then I'm, then I think we should do nuclear energy. But it, it hasn't demonstrated itself to be able to do that because a, again, I think the same thing. Well, because of over regulation, there's too much stuff there over, over, over. Like there's Yeah. A lot. There's way too much stuff there to stop it. Yeah, exactly. There's too much like trying to get a development through the city of Fort Collins. Yep. It takes, for an infill development, it takes way too much energy and some people don't. You're just like, fuck it, I'll just go over to Milliken and do something. Exactly. So, or Sheridan. Yeah. So I think that, I think that is part of what isn't. We don't live in a free market society, and we certainly don't live in a free market society in relationship to some of those things, especially energy, especially energy, that's life, that's money and that the whole thing really should be a much more open world. I think coal and, and fossil fuels, for lack of a better term, would probably. If they, if all things being equal had, if they were, if they were, if subsidies were eliminated, sure. If ethanol subsidies were eliminated, if there were, if everything was just sort of like on par, right? What would be the most cost effective and most sustainable energy, I would think you'd move towards those things that do seem renewable. I think that probably becomes a part of the, the future, which is that if the wind always blows or the sun always shines, if people could find a way to get that energy transferred to the grid and actually make money on that. Right. I think those would rise quickly to, well, the level, well, one of the big challenges is the grid itself. The grid is issue itself. Right. Because like California, people come home from work. Wanna plug in their electric car and turn their air conditioner up full blast. Absolutely. You know, and the sun has slowed for the day. It's at five o'clock, six o'clock, the wind isn't blowing as hard. Yes. And so until, or unless there's, there's real battery solutions, I think that that's, well Ed Edison. Edison actually the, the race between sort of the, uh, Westinghouse and Edison Electric GE at the time, at the beginning of the whole thing, Edison actually said that the best solution was to have localized power, which was direct current. Hmm. And Westinghouse, which it was Tesla's stuff, yep. Was on the alternative current. Alternating current stuff, right, and I mean, ultimately alternating current one out, but I think Edison's idea was better. Mm, which was that if everybody had a power plant in their home, right, they would probably be able to manage their power better and they would be direct recipients of what energy they created or what their cost would be much more directly related to what they're doing. Although certainly, There wouldn't be the benefit of scale, you know, like a no, a coal plant, you know, that's a no. There wouldn't be the benefit of scale, but it, it would also, but you wouldn't have all that loss. But you'd also, you'd also start to move to things that the market would have ultimately solved that problem because, and you'd do things more efficiently because you'd notice it. Because it's yours. Yeah. If you run out of power that night, that's your problem, and suddenly you've gotta figure out how to use your lights differently or use your microwave differently or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. And so, so I think if there was some opportunity to kind of necess, I don't know that you're never gonna, I don't know if you're ever gonna move away from alternating current, but I think if you could move towards something that was a much more, if you're creating individual autonomous owners of their own power, and they had the decision that if they had excess power, they could sell it back to something, some kind of grid, that ultimately that's where the alternating current grid could come into play. Um, if you could do that, maybe you have a, a solution to the energy issues in our, in our country. And I think, I think that's part of what's been compelling about listening to him talk about these kind of market driven solutions, which, yeah. I, I don't hear, it's been a long time since you heard a Democrat talking about, I don't hear a lot about Democrats talking about market solutions. It's always, man, it's always top down management. Yeah. I really appreciate his stance on the war. What do you think about? Uh, Biden just gave another extension on, we're not gonna release the J F K assassination records, even though it's been 75 years or whatever. All the people are dead. That's the craziest part of the whole thing. Like literally everybody involved in that whole thing's dead and they still won't release it, which means there's something there. It has to be, and I, I, I, I think it's an assumption at this point that the CIA was highly involved. Well, the church committee even said so in the seventies, right? Like they even said it was a conspiratorial, but everybody just quickly dismisses that whole thing. There's no way. I mean, I went, I've just been so enamored with this whole Kennedy. What do you think about R F P Senior? Was he also a C I A probably kill? I mean, could be. I mean, who knows? Seems like likely. I don't know. You don't know for sure, but I do think there's this sort of really intriguing piece of the whole conversation around the Kennedys that when you back out and you try to assess what actually was happening at that time, I don't think it's nearly as clear cut as everybody wants to write history to be. Mm. Like I think there were definitely things there. Like if you, again, I, I mean he took on the fed reserve, he took on the federal and the military industrial complex. At the same time, his speech at the American University have gone back and listened to since this whole, I've kind, I've kind of gone down the rabbit hole of R F K stuff, just'cause I think it's really interesting. He's a very interesting person to me. Yeah. And I did listen to that by the way. Really outstanding. It is. I mean, it's just, and for clarity, for those listening, it's. JFK's speech at American University. Yeah. A few months before he was killed. Yeah. It was probably in June. It was a commencement speech in June and he was killed in November. Yeah. But his take on what was going on and sort of this, hey, like we should be sympathetic to, if we really talked about what the Russian sacrifice in World War ii, you know, we should be right. We should be thoughtful about that, because that would be like a third of our country had been invaded and we should talk about how many people had died and what, what that means. And so when we start to press up against that, would there be fear there? Yeah. Well, yeah, of course there would be fear there. And, and so R F K Junior's stuff on nato. He's absolutely right. Like we should, NATO should not exist. We don't have a reason or rationale for it. No. And so you could end to mar like Russia's fear of this whole thing. And this isn't, this isn't edifying Putin in any sense. Like he's, he's a thuggish individual too. But this idea that you could go right up to their doorstep with being, trying to almost proxy admit Ukraine totally into, into nato and him not react to that. Well, of course. Well, I mean, J F K took us up to the edge of nuclear war because, uh, Cuba. Yeah. Right. And that was for the same general thing. They, we, we did not want Russian missiles 90 miles from our doorstep. What do you think NATO wants? Like, do they want Russian just to be a, like, to me, that's the thing, like. Sorry, I asked a question then I answer. No, no, but, but it's like, okay, so Putin goes away. Somehow Ari's incapacitated or whatever, and some new leader arises or something. Like, how is that gonna be better necessarily? Like, I get it, Putin's no good guy, but they've got like 2000 nuclear weapons. They've got a fractious government, they've got no, like, their, their demographics in Russia is terribly tragic. Well, and not to mention that he's like a 90% popularity, right? 85, whatever it is. You, you would, you'd put such a disruption into the mix, I think. Right? I think every Russian would hate NATO and Europe. Forever. Forever. Like, you're only, that's a big win. You're only causing this really ba blowback kind of situation. Yeah. You might as well go and subjugate it then. Yeah, like, are you gonna have the UN or nato, subjugate Russia and like turn it into a natural gas factory for Europe? Or what are you, what, what are you actually hoping to accomplish? It just seems to me that like, if you really go back through history, Russia is always the sort of crazy uncle in the basement of Europe. So no one really loves Russia, but they, but they are a European, they are a European institution. They are a Western, they're a western conversation. They're a western civilization. But everyone sort of, you know, treats them as if they're the crazy uncle in the basement that no one really wants to talk to. And I think Russia forever, if you go historically, Russia wants a warm water port. Always has. Mm-hmm. Right? So this kind of impedance upon that is a very complication complicated thing. That's the caucuses and all of the stuff that happened around the Black Sea, all all of that whole kyiv stuff that happened was all, it's all related to them needing what they need as a country. And then you, you know, you go to the other side of this and you just, you, you look at NATO's influence. I think NATO only stands, the only, the only reason they would even wanna do this is because I think they genuinely want the money in that what, what is provided in a military industrial relationship is greater than if they went away. Right? That's their only motivation. So we said James Bakker said, uh, not an inch closer in. Hmm. Uh, would at the end of the Soviet Union and said, not an inch closer. Uh, would we go towards Russia? At, at the end there were 400,000 troops in Germany at the end of the, at the end of the Soviet Union. Hmm. They all evacuated. And our promise as a country was that we wouldn't go an inch further towards Russia. Mm. And in the meantime, we've added 14 countries or whatever to nature. Yeah. You know? Right. Yeah. We didn't keep our promise. So at some point I understand, and I'm sympathetic to somebody saying, I don't want you at my doorstep. Yeah. You're, I don't want you this close. Well, and like we probably had a lot of involvement in, not zelensky, but the previous, of course, president thing. Getting him into place of, we were involved in that whole, the, and probably Zelensky too, I suppose. Absolutely. I mean, and I think that whole thing is part of what we have to address, and I, I do think whether it's Vivek who's talking about it or, or, um, R F K, they're both talking about the end of this military alphabet soup stuff being kind of so foundational. Yeah. Getting rid of all of that to the point at which it allows itself to be a much more. You know, nation state driven thing instead of this kind of hegemony amongst all these people that are trying to fight each other for that stuff. There was a, the Babylon Bee had a pretty funny headline the other day. It was, uh, in show of solidarity with Ukraine, uh, United States, uh, suspends elections until the end of the Russia, Ukraine conflict. Yeah. Which sounds about, sounds about right. So, yeah, I, I am really enamored with global politics at the moment. I think American politics are interesting. We're heading into an election and there are some great candidates and there are some terrible candidates as always. So. Well I think the more like on the Republican side of the ballot, the more candidates there are, the more obvious it is that Trump will win. Yep. You know, put him on a stage with three people. I. Yeah, both two of them are gonna make him look dumb. But put him on a stage with nine, he's gonna be the one that you notice the most. Oh, yeah. Oh yeah, for sure. And, and I think, no, nobody wants, uh, the establishment group of people want nothing more than to see Trump Biden again. I think that's a vested interest. Oh, the media. Yeah. Yeah. Collectively across the board. That's like, that's the horse race and the drama and all the stuff that people want. I don't think any of them really wanna see. I, I mean, frankly, if you've listened to anything that R F K has said, if you imagine him against standing on a stage with Biden, I. It's, oh, Biden will never do it. Well, yeah. I don't know if he could even make it outta the room, like he'd just leave and go get ice cream or whatever. I mean, he just can't, he's not capable. He can't even do pre-recorded speeches very well. To, to have to sit there and actually have a, an intellectual debate about something with a guy who's really wicked smart. I mean R f k, whatever, whatever you think of him, like, oh yeah, no, he is, he's a wicked smart guy for sure. Like, you don't, I wouldn't want to be in any kind of confrontational debate with that guy whatsoever. Did you listen to his, uh, out of the clo, out of the Dust bin podcast conversation on Dark Horse? I did. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty interesting. Very interesting. What was it like September of, oh, of 21 or, yeah. Something maybe November or something like that. Yeah. Never before we released. It was interesting to, to listen to how many things they had figured out by that point. Well, yeah, they're not, I mean, it wasn't, this wasn't that hard. This wasn't that hard to figure out what was going on. I mean, about three minutes in you knew something was wrong. Right. Yeah. And these guys just had the skepticism. That's one thing that I think is really appreciated about whether it's Vivek or or or R F K. They are skeptical people. Mm. And that is, um, be something lacking in American politics. Skeptical without being cynical. Yeah. You know, I, yeah, I would definitely, the vague would have my vote over R F K for sure. Mm-hmm. At this point in time. But like, if it was R F K and Trump, I don't know. I know where I would land. Yeah. I do definitely know where I would land. I would probably vote third party. I'm not. I, maybe I, maybe I would vote for R F K. If I thought it was real close, then I should give him a boost, but I'm not sure. Yeah. It's hard to vote for a Democrat if, I mean, it's just not how you're wired. Our, our world is very definitely moved into columns and, and that's, and because of the party system, it's tough because Yeah. You know that there would be party people that would make that a very complicated relationship. Yeah. And I, and I understand that very much, but I, but I don't think Trump demonstrated much to me. I don't, this is, this is my own personal thing, just simply'cause of my children. I don't think I could ever come to the place of forgiving Trump for what he did with Covid. Hmm. I just don't think I ever did. That's fair. I just, I think that's probably his biggest hurdle in some ways. Like for a guy who, as it plays out, as it lays out for a guy who said that, you know, he had all the instincts in the room. I. He just screwed. Yeah. He turned it over to Fauci basically right from the start. Just gave it over to bureaucrats and, you know, was hornswoggled or bamboozled or whatever it was. Whatever you wanna say. Yeah. He, he truly lost his marbles in that re in that regard. And I, and I won't, I, it's hard for me to forgive that because of what I see my children having gone through. Mm-hmm. That I don't think is no child that age should ever have to have gone through that in terms of just being isolated and locked down and the, the things that make life worth living. Right. They were all taken away. Yeah. Yeah. We're all talking about this mental health crisis among our kids. It's like, uh, surprise and no shit what happened just a minute ago. Yeah. And not just among our kids, but you know, among families and adults and, you know, how many, how many more than 15 year marriages have you seen dissolved since the start of Covid? A number I've seen like seven. Yeah. I, I'd It's a large number right. In my immediate or second tier circle. And you think about child abuse that went up and people, I mean, it's crazy everything that happened during that time. And it was so, it was so counterintuitive to the American aesthetic, which is like, we, we deal with things that come our way. I mean, we truly, we truly do. Yeah. I mean, and that idea that you could somehow manage this invisible virus and that was gonna be, there was some solution that, I mean, I just, it's crazy to me that we even, that we even let that, and so Trump to me is, uh, it's an unforgivable, that's the basis of your So who, and we'll move off politics here shortly, but who on the Republican side actually. I can't contend with him right now. Mm. Like DeSantis seems like the, the, the shine is off the rose there. Nah, Nikki Haley never had a chance, you know? No, I certainly, what's his name? The, the vice president. What's his Pence? Pence like? Really? Really? I mean, I actually like him. Would I hear him talk and stuff, but yeah. Nobody, did you have a, he is like Dan Quail, who is your like Right. Who is your contingency in this? Not, I don't know. Out of anyone. Right, right. Yeah. You're gonna lock down a portion of the Trump people and that's about it. You know, that's dumb. No, I don't know that there is anybody. I think he pretty much runs the table at this point. I don't see how anybody really challenges and I think there's just so many diehard people that I, not to go all the way back to our fk, but I think that there is his assessment of who Trump is, which is that he was the one person willing to say, I will go break things. Yeah. Is attractive to so many people because so many people are living in this kind of wake of the totally this authoritarian establishment that just does everything to people. And they're people, they're living in paycheck to paycheck that can't come up with a thousand bucks in their daily life, uh, if there was an emergency. And so they look at somebody who says, well, I'll go in there and do a bunch of crazy stuff and I'll break a bunch of stuff. Um, I think that's where Trump wins hands down in the Republican primary because I think they're, most people are gonna say, yeah, I want somebody to go break this stuff. Yeah. Yeah. It needs to be broken. And I, I tend to lean towards that, that I think we should be much more inclined towards skepticism and breaking things than we are towards just allowing these people to keep running over our lives. Yeah. But. I also think when you break something, you have to figure out what you're gonna replace it with. France is gonna have to go through a whole conversation about what happens when this is all over now that it's being broken. Right? Right. Like what do you replace this with? Yeah. When you have this much disruption and this much anarchy and this much sort of, uh, you know, unwinding of traditional values in relationship to government, what do you replace it with? Yeah. I don't think Trump has that answer, frankly. No, that's the, that's probably the biggest challenge is he didn't really have a vision. I mean, you make America great again, but he didn't really talk about what that was, what that could be. He's an interesting guy. I, I used to listen to Limbaugh on the radio'cause he was on the radio and he was great. He was very entertaining. He was, and, uh, and a loss on, on many levels in terms of just sort of the, the humor associated with politics. But his, um, His assessment of Trump was that he was not a principled individual. He, he wasn't a person that ran to first principles. He just, he could see things and identify it, and he was articulating those things, but he wasn't, he wasn't a conservative by principle. Yeah, he wasn't. And so that's my problem with him in this moment, is like, and he demonstrated in Covid that he didn't really have the principles. He just was trying to bluster his way with his instincts through a moment. Yeah. And some of his words, but he didn't, then his actions didn't follow. No. And so, and so then you get to this moment where you're like, well, okay, we have really huge issues on the table. If, if somebody's just gonna go in a break, a bunch of stuff does, does a guy like Trump have the instincts to replace it with anything that is going to be of principle or value? And I, my answer would be no. So do you think, uh, R F K has a snowball's chance in the Democratic primary? More than any of the other Republicans. Agreed. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, but probably it's gonna be Biden Trump probably seems likely, sadly. Seems like there's no way of attack and then that we'll all hang our hats and, you know, go vote for the libertarian. Yeah. Just be pissed off again that this all happens, but I, you know, I think, and then Biden probably wins again. Right? Like, just because if it's Biden Trump, Trump brings out all the Trump haters. Yes. Or Trump brings, yeah. Trump brings out the, and, and I don't think the, the, I don't think the establishment and given as, as nefarious as the establishment is, and rather that's in relationship to elections or, you know, just the, all the stuff that's happened in social media. Right. I, I don't think they would ever let that guy near the White House again. The establishment would not let Trump near the White House again. So somehow, yeah, whatever, whoever, however, whatever conspiracy you want to throw at it, our Biden sock puppet is better than that. Yeah. The establishment would prefer that because he just shows up and mumbles through some stuff. And that's, they're fine with that Trump. They're not gonna let him anywhere near it. Right.'cause he'll break more stuff if he comes in. Yeah. I think this time And now he's pissed. Right. So now, and that, and that is the one disappointing part about, it's like his campaign offers nothing of any interest. He's just a bitter, he's just angry. He's a bitter, angry guy. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and unfortunately, I think that probably that being indicted. Probably got him more votes than, oh yeah, no, there's no doubt about that. They called like some people that were independents and gonna just stay out of it are like, he think he literally like have a guy in prison being the president of the United States. Right. You know, his White House is a white porcelain bowl in his cell. So, anyway, let's move off. Uh, should we do the real estate update? Yeah, sure. Sounds good. Oh, what? Switch gears. Switch gears. Yeah. Well plus you've been falling behind on your whiskey, so, um, so tell me, uh, yeah, what's, uh, interest rates kind of drifted down a little bit. Market stabilizing, I hear activities. Yeah. Up, um, still a shortage of listings supply. Yeah. So really, really kind of fascinating stuff happening in real estate. I think, um, in general, commercial real estate is the first sort of canary about issues related to. You know, people invest in commercial for two reasons. They want to own their building for their business. Mm-hmm. Which is number one in primary amongst commercial or secondarily, it's an investment. Sure. I'm gonna build this building and hopefully get tenants in here and businesses to do strip mall and different things is a great example. Those are kind of the office complexes, whatever, two primary reasons for commercial real estate. Sure. The first I want my business to be in here and do something is still a primary reason and people will still pursue it because you can't do, because of zoning rules, you can't do incongruent uses, so. Right. Right. You're gonna be able to do it on your backyard or you go garage or whatever. So you're gonna need to go in the county, you can't employ more than like five people. Yeah. Without it being like a fully licensed kinda whatever. Yeah, exactly. So I think those kinds of businesses will still drive some commercial, uh, real estate stuff. The investment side of real estate for commercial isn't working very well. Mm. Um, You see a lot of kind of suppression in that thing, staying on the market a longer time. I think there's issues related to, you know, what is the value of an office space. Mm-hmm. Um, I think a lot of those questions are out there. Are vacancies up, vacancies are up, uh, in office for sure. Yeah. And certainly not class A office. The, if you were in, you know, just sort of regular office run of the mail stuff. It's definitely there are issues there. Uh, nationally it's huge, right? Yeah. San Francisco, New York City, even Denver Yeah. Is in a pretty tough place. So I think commercial always is kind of a leading edge indicator of some of those issues that are out there. And I think that's true still, uh, in our case. And I think locally even starting to see some of that stuff happen, the um, excuse me. The interest rates for primaries are hovering somewhere around six and a half, six, six to six and a half depending on credit and those kinds of things. That has stabilized the market and it's normalized a little bit. So we're starting to see two and three months supply where we were at two and three day type of situation. Okay. In the past we're, we're starting to see two and three months supply starting to go in, and if, if you have, so the maximum is true if you have a great property in a great location. The number is right and it's priced well. You're going to see multiple competitive offers for that property. If you price it wrong or it's not in the right location, or it's the wrong kind of property in terms of, it's a, maybe it's a condo or maybe it's a, a house in Eaton or something like that. It's a split level instead of a, yeah. Those are whatever, maybe gonna stick around a little bit longer. There may be more. Um, it may take more time to sell those, and prices may have to be much more realistic. And so there are deals happening in the market that are, that I think are good and positive. I think you're starting to see more and more, uh, opportunities start to develop. You're not nearly now anything under$500,000 in our market is still competitive. Right. And still walking into multiple offers situations, especially if it's anything that's, you know, kind of isn't that wild, unique, like for old guys like us, like, like 500,000, under 500,000. Right. I remember, yeah. Rich people lived in$500,000 houses when, right when we moved here and now it's poor people. Yep. Building houses. I remember my marketing team telling me entry level people. Sorry. Yes. 10% of the people could have afforded a house over$500,000 in In 2006. Okay, so in oh six, only 10% of the market could afford a house over. 500,000 in our market today, the only 10% of the houses are under 500. Right. So it's a very, very big shift, um, in, in a less than 20 years time. Yeah. We're talking about dramatic doubling or more of stuff in the market. Yeah. We got a letter back from, uh, the city that, or the county, I guess that said, sorry. You're tough luck. Contesting of our tax assessment is, uh, rejected even though we had a, a recent appraisal for 530,000. Yep. And they assisted at 6 95. Yep. They don't care. Like we sent them our appraisal like from the fall, like the spring, whatever. They don't care. Um, just send us the money. It's, yeah, there's a bit of that. So I do think real estate though, uh, is a healthier market in terms of just the ability to get in. I don't know that interest rates are, I don't see any future where interest rates are back to 3% for sure. Do I see it at 5%? Potentially? Yeah. But I don't know that that's any, that's not even necessarily, that's a while around the corner. Right. I think that's like a lot of lenders are like, oh yeah, it's gonna a couple years from now, you know? And I, I don't know. I don't think so. I think, I mean the, one of the big things is a macro thing, like the baby boomers Yeah. Are retiring now. They're drawing their assets out and so all that kind of excess liquidity that that big group of people had Yeah. Is drying up their interest in low yield mortgages. Yeah. Is not strong. Not at all. And I don't think, uh, yeah. I just don't, you can't go commit another however many billion dollars to another thing and not have a, you know, we're the, we're the most debt. In debt country of all time. I don't think you're gonna be able to do that without having, you know, some kind of, at least sort of not, not in grow, I mean, not in percentage terms though. Just kidding. I don't think you're ever gonna be able to go out and at least even have the illusion that you, you, like, you can't give up on the illusion that the Fed has some sort of lever here. Right. Uh, if you did, the whole thing would be chaos. And so I don't think they're ever going to say, oh yeah, let's go back to 3% interest rates. I don't think that's gonna happen. And, and you can't just empirically keep spending all that money and then come to the other side of it and be like, well, nothing, no big deal. Yeah. Well, and, and no, not to take it back up to macro, but the, like the government actually having to spend money on interest on debt, it, it, it's a real thing. Maybe that's good. Like, I know it pinches the budget in all kinds of ugly ways, but maybe that. Finally helps.'cause it's just like, you know, if I had a, a 3% interest rate credit card with a hundred thousand dollars limit, I'd probably spend that whole thing when I was coming outta college or whatever. And then when they raise the rate to 14%, I'd be like, oh shit. Yeah, these payments are rough. Yeah. You know, actually knowing that there's bite to debt could be good, maybe could be good o, other than they'll just print more to pay the debt. Right. So that part which increases inflation, which increases servitude and blah, blah, blah. I still, and all of that to circle all the way back around that. I still think that if you had the chance to get into real estate and try to do something, it it, you have to, you have to. It's real. I think it is a, it's an asset and at some point that becomes the only thing that I think has any value and it'll all be relative. Yeah. So even if the thing takes a total dump and everything falls apart, I still think having a house, right. It's still better than not having a house is still better than not, you know, it's better than$4,000 a month for a crappy apartment. I think so, and I think real estate just, it's too, it's almost so big at this point that I think it, it becomes challenging there. There's some interesting things on the horizon though. I think the Department of Justice, there are three, um, there are three. Kind of, I don't know, suits out there Okay. Related to realtors and their commissions. Oh, interesting. Um, which may have subtraction coming forward. I think, um, the real, the real rub for everybody is the, uh, seller paying commissions to the buyer's agent. Hmm. So, in a traditional transaction, the seller pays both sides of the commissions. Right. The buyer's agents have typically presented that as a no cost to the seller. Uh, no cost to the buyer. To the buyer. Right. Um, that's not true, but realistically, yeah, that's not true. And so I, I do think there'll be a moment where realtors are gonna have to negotiate their commissions on the buy side. Hmm. Which will make for an interesting shift in the market. Hmm. And I do think that's coming sooner than later. Hmm. Um, I don't think that, I don't think we're gonna last for another 25 years on buyer side commissions being paid by the seller. Hmm. I think you're gonna negotiate and engage a broker much, very much like you do a lawyer. Interesting. So I think that's on the horizon. Oh. And so you could be like, I'll, I'm, I represent buyers for 1%. Yep. That's just what I do it, that it doesn't, doesn't matter what the, doesn't matter what the seller charges, what the seller is charging. Interesting. Or what the seller is willing to pay. Right, right. You know, I think that negotiation will be on the horizon sooner than later. And I think that'll be really healthy actually for a market. I, yeah. My broker friends won't like me for this. Could start to diverge the industry a little bit too, where if you got, if you got a really great reputation, you really, you do a good job of consulting your clients and getting top dollar and marketing the house just right. Maybe you can get 3.5%. Yeah. I mean, if you, and if you're not, if you help a buy, again, if a broker helps you procure something that actually makes, that you see value in. You, you know, I, I don't think it's gonna stop lenders from being able to utilize. Sure. Not sure. Like, I think they'll make wor room in there for pricing and commissions associated with that. And that the, the commission will be paid out of the, they're not gonna have to come up with$25,000 out of their pocket. Well, the notion of an agent was, is valid anyway. Yeah. Right. Like this is, yeah. This is a person that represents my interest and they do so for a fee. And, and for years, most of brokerage around here has been done as transactional brokers, which is, which means that you're sort of playing the referee and trying to make all parties get along. Yeah. Um, most people would look at that and say, well, well then what's the value here? I mean, you guys just get to go to a meeting together and talk and write a contract. Right. I gotta pay you all this money for this deal. I think you're gonna get much more representational. Well, and you could even have more customizable profit contracts, right? Yeah, for sure. Like, I'm gonna pay you. Whatever. Say it's a say you think that your house is worth 500. Mm-hmm. You know, I'm gonna pay you 2% on everything up to 500 and I'm gonna pay you 6% on everything. Over 500. Yeah. Or you could do, you can, if you could sell from where you service or whatever. Yeah. Could be a service fee. You could do, you know, somebody could say, well I want to go look at houses this afternoon. Right. And I'll get paid for going around hundred bucks looking at those houses. Hundred bucks. Hundred bucks, a hundred bucks. Right. Or, or more than that probably because I know, I don't know. I don't know what that, at least something, I don't know what that market will end. Well.'cause that's the worst for you guys when you've got like, A buyer that maybe isn't even under contract with you, that like pimps you out to look at 17 houses. Yeah. And then goes around you with the listing agent on a property that they found on their own. Yeah. Like that's like the horror story for a realtor. Right. It happens a lot actually. More than you think. Million fuckers, if you've done that out there and you're listening Yeah. You just like stole from somebody. But I think you, you, it becomes much more contractual, which I think is healthy anyway. Fair. Like, I think that becomes like, Hey, if you wanna use me, I can help you get a good deal and I can certainly negotiate the contract and are you sure you wanna be in the middle of that? Because here's my value proposition, right. If you can do that, I think then you're gonna be in a much better state of being able to, um, earn your money. I was, uh, actually my, my in-law or my father-in-law now, uh, lives over off five. They've got a 10 acre parcel Oh yeah. Over there just south of, uh, Mulberry. Yeah. So great property. Like they bought it for half million and it's worth a million and a half now or something. Right. Um, They looked at the house next door and the seller was there showing, I think as an independent listing kind of thing. And my father-in-law gets chatting and they're like, oh yeah. The neighbor next door is thinking about putting their house up for sale too. And so he is like, might as well see what that's all about. Yep. And looks'em up and buys it without a realtor. Yep. You know, and so that's why realtors are like, do not represent yourself. You know, you might say something dumb that, yeah, well that's, you lose the sale. And that was exactly the case of that conversation. That's exactly what happened in that situation. Yeah. No, I, I think brokers are gonna have to demonstrate their value in the future, and I think that's a good thing. I don't think that's a problem. I think we all should derive our benefit and compensation based on what we provide our services as. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, so yeah, I think there's interesting things in the market. I, I definitely think the market is, I. It's not, I wouldn't even call it softening. I just think it's stabilized right. To a place where you better be, you better have somebody with some expertise or understanding, or you better have that expertise and understanding. Yeah. To know what it is you wanna buy or what you wanna sell. But if you do and buy the right thing, you know, it's, it's always annoying when you, it's, it's still don't really get what you want. It's still location, location, location. Right. Yeah. It's still a big part of it, but I think if you, if you know, if you, if you're savvy enough to understand what's going on or you want some help with that, then you get somebody that can help you do that stuff. You're gonna. There are really good opportunities in the market, I think. Yeah. That almost sounded like a commercial for Everett Real Estate. And I'll, I'll let it slide since it's in motion as a sponsor here. Just kidding. I'm gonna call Aaron Everett. If you look him up, call me if you want. Let's take a short break. Sounds good. And then we'll come back and talk about some more stuff. All right. Sounds good. And we're back. So when we left off, we were wrapping up, uh, the real estate wrap up Yeah. And stuff. And I thought we might as well check in with emotion. Yeah. Like, uh, you were saying last month in the local chapter meeting, you had some pretty intriguing new client growth opportunities and things. Yeah. And, and, uh, anything lots on the horizon. Uh, just continue to see like thing after thing or business after business who, once they discover what we have to offer, um, just go, Hey, well I need that too. Yeah, yeah. Um, starting to get into some aerospace stuff. Hmm. Yeah. Which is kind of fun. Um, Lots of clients up and down the front range in aerospace. I had no idea. I mean, this what's always so surprising about this, this place. Like I love it. I just, it, I'm always just, just enamored with this. Like, yeah, there's like companies that build stuff for NASA and stuff, whatever. What, how did you're here? I had no idea that this was a thing. And, and so, um, yeah, starting to get into that, got a connection within that group of people. And I, I think there's just tremendous, uh, potential continuing on the horizon for that. And I think that's really good. And there's a few companies, and I don't know any just off the top of my head, but they kind of have that corridor, like the Denver to Cheyenne. They've got some operations in Cheye. Yes. Because they've got a labor advantage there or some different things and then their core. So yeah, if you could get kind of that, not not just B two B, but more of an internal, I think what kind of service company opportunity in one of those, right? Like everyone uses each other. That's kind of what I'm realizing as we've gotten into the aerospace stuff like. They all depend upon each other because they're building like this long chain of a circuit board or something, right? Right. There's multiple things that are going on. Right? And each person does a unique thing, and this particular company specializes in this, but it's a part of a circuit board that goes here and then they're a part of a bigger, I don't know, whatever, and they can kind of try to coordinate it or they can spend, you know, a ton of money on. Shipping. Yeah. But it's not as dependable and it's far more expensive. Right? Like if you actually put something into the system to go Yeah. It's really interesting, like what we're, what we're able to do and help with. Um, most everybody's shipping FedEx right now, right? And so our ability to kind of come in there and say, well, we can do this. FedEx is like, it's a hundred. You're like, it's 15 or 25, and you might have, you might have to plan a little bit more, right? But, but for that saves the company a tremendous amount of money. And so I think that's been really cool. Yeah, and I, and I think there's more of those things out there. I, I still don't think we've fully maximized our potential on that, um, by any stretch. So. Well, and that shifts it into the last topic we were kind of gonna talk about, but one of our conversations about emotion is, you know, who are those? Like, yes, we love moving spices around and, and yard signs and stuff, but who are those people for whom the price that you need to charge to make a good margin barely matters? And an aerospace manufacturer. Yeah. Seems like a good place. Yeah. To talk for one of those, right? Yeah. And I think there's more like that. And I think there are people that are using, we talked to somebody yesterday, or two days ago that was just, currently all they're using is FedEx and they're overnighting everything. And it's mostly regional. And it's all regional. Right. And, but they're like, but we don't have another solution. So Right. FedEx became our deal. Yes. We have a corporate account, and so it's kind of diminished, but it's still double or triple what we would charge. Well, and like what's the journey that that package goes through? Like whatever. That's great. Oh goodness. Yeah. But, but if it goes to, like, if it goes to Denver and then Santa Fe and then back up to here for the overnight or whatever, I mean Right. It moves it around a ton. Yeah, that's right. That's, that's a real thing. Yeah. Like that's even just in, its. In its own self. That journey that that package takes is actually, you know, part of the, that's all inefficiency. Yeah. Anything that's more than just here to there. Yeah. Well, and you, and you, some of the stuff with chain of tie or chain of custody stuff that is part of the Department of Defense for aerospace. We can do that. Whereas if you do something like that, right? Yeah. FedEx may have the chain of custody, but it's Right. And some dude at the Wow. This crazy airport that's moving it from this box to this airplane. Yeah. Or whatever. It's not nearly as you've got three dudes. Yeah. And everybody's that might touch it. Everybody's gotta have a, have their way in it. So, yeah. I, I'm really excited about it. I think it just continues to be really a good thing. I think there's, uh, just tremendous, just tremendous benefit on the horizon for what could happen with that deal. I'm, I'm still, um, It's a hard business. Logistics is a hard business. Right. And we've talked about it in our, in our think tank thing. Um, I think logistics is challenging and sometimes it's just exasperating on so many levels because it's just truly managing people and things going from someplace to someplace else, and that can just get monotonous and hard and awful, both of those things, right? Yeah. Like it's, it's monotonous and then sometimes hard. Yeah. And probably all at the same time, you're like, how am I doing the same damn thing again today? But I, but I do think, um, if we can figure this out, and I, you know, there's a lot, there's a long way to go yet on figuring it all out, but I think if we can figure it out and it can work, then there's just, there's some really great stuff that could come out of it that I think, uh, uh, almost a cooperative type of situation in logistics that could be really, Just tremendously beneficial to all sorts of people.'cause every, when you talk to people, they're like, oh my gosh, I didn't know that there was something like this that existed. Right. Right. And so if we can, if we can start to put those pieces together and actually build that infrastructure well, and you could really have regionalizing economies that much easier, right? Yeah. That local localizing of economies that just kind of takes a level of complexity out of that. Well, I think one of the things like we're getting into the summer here or whatever, stops raining. Right. But as we get into the summer, you know, I think about food cooperatives, I think about, um, c s A stuff. I think about farm share stuff. Hmm. All of those kinds of things. I know as a, as a person that buys a lot of stuff at a grocery store, I would certainly pay a fee to have a box of stuff that was unique and interesting, delivered to me. Mm-hmm. So if I knew that I could, but actually making an extra stop in your world to stop by the farm stand is a lot. Well, it can be challenging, right? Yeah. When, when is it open and where does it go? And if I knew that that was on a schedule and I knew every Thursday I got a box. Yeah. That included. Well, it makes their CSAs that much easier, right? I would think so. So there there's whole worlds that you could just keep exploring. Yeah. And every time you come to a new sector, again, not terribly high value though. Well, but, but regular. But regular. And it's with enough you every, every week for 14 weeks. Yep. Through the summer, there's a box of produce that goes to X number of different routes. And if you had a hundred people that were doing that, right, yeah. That's a lot. Then it starts to get to be where the truck is profitable, right. So Right. Even at 10 bucks a box Yeah. It starts to be profitable. So I think there's just pieces of that that I'm still intrigued by. Yeah. I think if we could build those things and build that infrastructure behind the scenes, I think we have just bright, bright future stuff. So when you think about a, a scalable concept to this, like, like obviously local think tank is, you know, I guess we'll call it a, a, a force in pure advisory in Northern Colorado and nobody's ever heard of it anywhere else in the world, right? Um, in motion is becoming, you know, a force for regionalization and transportation and logistics, but like, how would you envision. In motion potentially becoming like is it a software that you guys could develop that would make it easier? Is it a, I guess the brand for part of it, right? Like in motion moves stuff around? Yeah. For wherever you are in motion. Colorado Springs in Motion Ohio. Yeah. I think if we could build a good brand around it, but I also think if it, if we had this, it's really more important about the systems, right? So even the brand itself may or may not have the longstanding stay that is necessary to be sort of franchisable or whatever. I think you could, I, I think it'd be very easy to, you know, I think brands are interestingly, uh, Our whole world has been associated with brands for the last however long. Right, right. The brand. The brand doesn't really do much. The brand is the whole thing. Well, yes and no. You still have to do something. Right? Right. Like, I mean, there's a lot of great, Starbucks is known for delivering consistently good damn coffee, same coffee wherever you go. Right? Right. It's overcooked and over roasted and really, whatever. Right. But that's, you're saving crappy coffee everywhere you go. But you know what it is. Right? And so you know that you got it and they make things easy and they make it a consistent experience that that isn't as much about, like what does their brand look like? Yeah. That's a recognizable mark to it. But I think there's been so much emphasis on branding over the last 20 years that we've lost a lot of like what the objective of a business is, which is truly to do a service. Right. And if that service is great, who gives a shit what your brand looks like? Right? Like how many times has Fat Tire changed their label? Yeah, it And they've even changed their recipe. Well, and Nike's got a great swoosh. But if their shoes were crappy, that SS would would've never been famous. It never would've mattered. Right. Right. And I don't think, I think the same is true of anything. Like I if Fat Tire hadn't brewed a great beer that everybody wanted to have as like this kind of unique microbrew and it was really delicious and it was all this stuff. They couldn't have done all the things they've done with that brand since. Right. I mean, they've changed their recipe. They've done all these things, but without a great beer. Right. Originally. Yeah. And a very distinctive original beer. It was. I mean, microbrews people don't, I don't think people remember this, especially around here, because we're all older than that or Oh yeah. Nobody ever heard of that shit. 1990, you lit, you literally had Budweiser or Coors Bush light draft, like there were 12 to 15 beers. Yeah, total. And they were all, they were all the same, basically textile pilsners. Right. And that was it. There were maybe a few things like a stout, like a Guinness Right. Or boddingtons or, but imported beer domestic, but nothing domestic as Corona was pretty wild. Yeah. You know, and just a really watered down Mexican lagger. Right. Right. Now you have this plethora beers. And I really think a lot of that happened because of a few breweries. Like fat, like like New Belgium or like, you know, uh, who tons of others. Yeah. Stone or whatever. Del or Stone Firewalk. Yeah. Firestone Walker. All those guys were kind doing something similar. Sierra, what was the one? The Sierra Nevada. Sierra Nevada. Nevada. Big one still. Yep. Those guys were doing stuff and it was interesting. It was unique, but the only reason those brands even have any traction is because they produce something really great. Right. So it's all the way back to this idea of like, what's Franchisable. You better have a great product. Yeah. Better make a great product that somebody can see value in and they can plug it in and be, you know, understand what it takes to make this work. Yeah. And they could call it this or they could call it that, or they could call it that, but if the product is still the baseline, they'll be successful around it. And I think it's been such an emphasis on branding. Yeah. Yeah. That we, we really have to go back to focusing on what, what can we deliver? And I think in motion is making me do that. Yeah. It's making me at least focus on what we, what are deliver is the, we can br nice pun like maybe next podcast we'll uh, talk about what the Franchisable brand for in motion there. Sure.'cause it might need to get a little sexier. I don't know. That's not very, we'll see. Pretty bland. So, so you've been a member, you were a member of local Think tank way back way almost the original like in the second year? Yeah. I think you, or maybe first year, six months in, or a few months in at least. Mm-hmm. For maybe six months or a year. And then, You were busy doing stuff like you always are and whatever, and then, but you came back around. Yeah, I have after like literally like seven years. Yeah. At least of me being friends with you. Yeah. Finally I landed the account. Just kidding. Yeah. Um, but you know, you've been back in, you'd been five months, six months, something like that with Kim's group. Yeah. It's kind of a, you know, we're underground yet it's still a small group. Yep. I think five. We just invited our sixth member. Yep. Last month. It's been great. Honestly, I like, really do like it. Um, it's something that I think, um, if people are in business, they should do something, whether it's this or something else. They, I think, but I, what I really have appreciated about logo think tank, uh, and its in sort of involvement in my business, is that it's a real chance for me to actually. Talk about my business specifically, and it's not a networking conversation. Like the person money you're gonna us. Yeah, the person at my, the people at my table aren't necessarily needing to use my business. Maybe they might at some point, but for most, for the most part, they really are just interested in like dissecting the business. And that's really cool because you don't get that feedback very often from others like you. You're in a, yeah. You're often either in a feedback loop where it's like you and your business partner are trying to do something and so you just keep talking about you're net loggerheads and you're kind of disagree or, or you're like, like the smell of your own farts and whatever. So you just think everything's great. And so I was just thinking about employees, so they just tell me what to do and I'll do it. Yeah. But a lot of times as business owners we're like, I don't know what to tell you to do. I don't actually know what to tell you. So, um, yeah, so there's that, that whole aspect of things. And I think that's really kind of, um, that's the beauty of what Loco's done, I think, for me at least, is to be able to kind of, even. Sort of ancillary look at another business and say, well, what does that, what of that mm-hmm. Applies to my stuff? And, and Oh man, I'm up next month and I got a bunch of embarrassing stuff to kind of lay out in front of everybody with my dirty laundry. So how do I do that? And I, but it's been just really excellent. Like, I have enjoyed it immensely. I think it's been a really good value to our business. I think it's been a really good value to me personally. I've enjoyed all of our kind of people in the group. I think it's been great. I think one of the things that's interesting to me is like, as you were growing your, your Amazon distribution business Yeah. You know, and getting that contract and growing it out and stuff, you're like, eh, I'm, I'm kind of good.'cause like, to some extent there, there's a known, known of what it takes to be a really good logistics subcontractor for Amazon. Well, they tell you Right. Here's how you do it, but you, like, in three short years you become like one of their leading distributors. Yeah. We just were awarded another station. So that's like one in five people that have ever had that happen. Right. So we're pretty thrilled with that. So you're an, an amazing Amazon mm-hmm. Like contractor and like the difference between becoming that as a business, which is still about people and hiring and systems and implementation and whatever, and then figuring out this puzzle within motion. Yeah. And what that should become, what it can become. What I want it, what my, what my role to be in that evolution. Yep. It's a whole different, that's why I say a lot of times our, the key characteristic for our membership is free thinkers. Mm-hmm. Like if you want Amazon to tell you how to create a thing and whatever, like we could barely help. Right. But if you're creating something kind of new, out of whole cloth. We could help a lot. Yeah. Which I think is partially why it was like, well, I don't know what I would do with this. Right. But now that we're on the other side of this Yeah, I think you're right. And I think Businesswise just for me, I mean, I'm always interested in what new business could look like, what, what something could look like as you develop something. And, and I'm always fascinated by that. So I, I just am, yeah. It's been a really good blessing on a ton of levels to be able to be a part of it and to be in, I, I really like our group. Like I think they're really interesting people and just, um, Kim's great, super fun, super energetic and Right. Almost overly enthusiastic about too many things, but, uh, superpower problem solving. Yeah. But the lover for it, and not great monkey wasn't intended to be, but No, no. But just like wired for doing that. Just wire for doing that stuff. And a really other great savvy group of people at the table who are doing just super cool stuff. I mean, yeah, yeah. Solar panels for boats and all, I mean, just all sorts of crazy stuff that is like, Just because you have to analyze that and look outside of what your business is doing. You, you get to look at something just wholly differently. Yeah. And that is just such a, that's just a beautiful gift.'cause then you can then almost in full circle come back to your own business and say, well now that I've looked at this crazy business that I have nothing to do with. Yeah. And I was able to shoot holes in it and pick it apart and do whatever. Can I ask the same questions of myself and are the fundamentals of that the same? And, and they are most of the time. And so, um, yeah. Well thanks, kudos. Really glad to have you to the deal.'cause I think the format is really unique. Like, I, I have done the Master Networks thing for a minute and it was just like, eh, all this is, is like seven chiropractors and a whatever. Not to disparage that, but it, it's, I think usually the same thing. It's like an insurance agent and a chiropractor and a real estate agent. And you go like, uh, God. Well that's the hardest thing to scale, I think with local think tank is just that. Not everybody can be in local think tank or should be. Yeah. And who should be in the group and like, not, you can't just like tire the group out with new prospects and like reject a bunch of'em. And you also can't just add everybody that wants to be a part of it. It's really, yeah. And if you wanna be an insurance agent, I'm telling you Allstate or or State Farm is gonna tell you how to do it. Totally. So I'm not sure that that's do that for a few years first and then start your own independent agency. Yeah. And then, and then, you know, like a, like a a, a friend like Brandon Avery becomes really interesting. Right, right, right. Because he's like doing cool things in the insurance space. Right. But that's years and years and years into it. Whereas like the Master Network stuff seemed to be much more about just sort of, you know, it's a network thing. Yeah. Yeah. So, although. A little better than some of the, it's than pure networking. It's better, it's it's better than pure networking for sure. But yeah, there's some, there's some wisdom there. But I, I just applaud what you're doing.'cause I think it's a really, um, well, thank you. After certainly having watched it for the last however many years, I think it's really cool what, what it's progressed to where we are and where we've gotten to and what you've done. Yeah. And how you've built it so well and just, uh, and I know we're bumped against it end time, but like the, the, the corpse of facilitators especially, but also members that like, choose to be a part of it. I'm just like, man, if I could have had a client base like this group of people when I was a banker, I'd have been like the freaking renowned banker of Fort Collins in a way. Well, I still see you as, I don't make nearly as much money off each client as if they were bank customers though. Anyway, I still see you as the great banker of Fort Collins. Started a lot of wonderful things. Very kind, very kind. Um, I don't see any reason for us to keep going. I'm good. Okay. Good week. Cheers, everybody. Okay. Till next time. See you.