EPISODE 197 | Anti Work Girl Boss and Real Estate for Good - Gabrielle Judge & Matthew Fugate on The LoCo Experience!

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Welcome back to the Loco Experience podcast.

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My guests today are Matthew Fugate and Gabrielle Judge.

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And Matthew is the founder and owner of the Fugate property group.

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And Gabrielle is the anti work girl boss.

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YouTube and Instagram other places as well as the creator of the Lazy girl job trends.

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So I've got a trending talent on here as well as my longtime friend, Matthew.

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And, uh, let, can we start with you, Matthew?

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Absolutely.

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Um, uh, we're here the day after the election.

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You're wearing, uh, quite the outfit today.

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Yeah.

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God bless America and I'm grateful to be here.

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We live in the best place in the nation, Fort Collins, Colorado, and it's, it's great.

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It's going to be good.

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Make America great again.

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So what do you do?

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Uh, what's the Fugate property group?

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We help people find shelter and build wealth in real estate.

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So it's a property management company, real estate brokerage.

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We do buy, sell, invest.

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And, uh, recently.

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With collaboration of the Abundance Foundation, we started a real estate fund to raise capital for investors that have, uh, real property as collateral using promissory notes and LLCs.

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to pay out 10%, 12 percent and 15 percent plus points on their money, depending on how much they contribute and how long they contribute that money for.

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So for properties, for this abundance foundation, for the abundance foundation.

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So it kind of, yeah, kind of all circles.

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You're a board member as well as kind of a, uh, capital developer for a local nonprofit.

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Absolutely.

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And we'll unfold that.

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Uh, more as part of why I wanted to have you on here.

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Past, uh, episode, maybe number 78, 79, was Brian Bauer.

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I love Brian.

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Uh, the founder of the Abundance Foundation.

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Yeah.

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So, uh, it comes full circle.

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Wait, I didn't even know he was on.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Did you?

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Wow.

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A year and a half ago.

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Wow.

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Yeah, he unfolded, like, his slow descent into alcoholism.

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Um.

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Um.

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He was trimming trees with a half a bottle of vodka in him, uh, as his job kind of thing.

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And, uh, it was one of the more, um, like I get kind of shivers up my arm just remembering the content of that conversation.

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He's awesome.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Super guy.

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Uh, Gabrielle, uh, what is Anti work girl boss.

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Uh, and how, yeah, tell me, yeah, like, just let's see what you're doing now.

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And then I will unfold the story.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So my background's in tech and so that's what I went to school for.

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And so I was working in the tech industry.

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Um, I started in 2019.

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So when I graduated school and, um, I started to notice this like huge drop off in the morale of corporate America, the loss of merit in corporate America, the loss of opportunity.

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Um, and that's because of like a lot of things, just what happened in 2020 and a lot of stuff.

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And so I was kind of looking around at like 22, 23, and I was like, this is like too good to be true.

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Like in the tech industry, there's like four different community managers making ADK and you ask them what they do.

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And it's like, Oh, why do the snacks?

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And the other one's like, why?

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And you're like, this is crazy.

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Like it definitely needed an overcorrection for sure.

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And that's like, no dig to like community managers out there.

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It's just like, You know, I just saw like a big bubble, right?

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And so I started making content online.

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I hated making fun of this.

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Yeah, I have like, yeah, I'm really, is that what all the tech layoffs were the last couple of years was just people that didn't really have a need to have a job.

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Yeah.

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And some of them I would say isn't really their fault because what corporate America does is like, they'll be like, well, this is your dream job.

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And like, you have to devote all your hours to this.

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And then of course, you know, in 2021 happened and Google went through all these layoffs in 2022, people were having like existential crisis.

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And it was like, yeah, that's a really big problem where we're like teaching people to be like superly overly attached to work.

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And then Light work, you know, the economy just does what it does.

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And we're just not teaching people resilience.

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We're not teaching people to have like a life outside of work, um, and have that adaptability.

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So I started making like this anti work content, I call it, and it's pretty mainstream now, but it used to not be.

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So it used to be, I used to be on headlines all the time.

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Um, Fox news, everyone used to just kind of like make fun of me.

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Um, and kind of paint this like weird narrative of me, but really it's like this tongue in cheek marketing kind of tactic of like, what are we doing?

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And like, there's more resilience and work, you know, it's like, I'm not anti work.

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Of course, obviously it says that in the word, but she's like a workaholic for sure recovering.

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Um, so anyways, yeah, fast forward to anti work girl boss.

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That is, that is my online persona.

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And so it's, it's really developed into this thing.

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And, um, I started the Lazy Girl job trend last year and it doesn't make any sense unless you're in like the zeitgeist of TikTok.

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But at that time on TikTok it was like Lazy Girl dinner ideas and Lazy Girl workout routines.

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It was just like, yeah, Alma has showed me some Lazy Girl stuff.

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Yeah.

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It's all like pretty innovative little, it's life hacks.

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Yeah.

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And I was like, I love that.

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And also like, can we talk about work?

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Cause this was 2021.

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Like this is where we were all like white knuckling and being like, do I have a job today or not?

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And it was like, how do we make our job feel less.

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Like not work is work is meaningful and work is impactful.

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But I just think a lot of people are selling their souls to a corporation that would cut them immediately, you know, and it's just trying to make that a little, that conversation a little bit cooler.

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And from there it's, it's turned into like.

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Essentially like a media company at this point.

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That's where I'm that's where my goals are next year Is to really bring like other creators on and make more of a network about it.

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Oh interesting.

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Yeah, and I'm really happy and I'm really excited about it And it's been something that I've been doing full time now for a year and a half Which is I'm very grateful for if I had a Jamie like we could like Pull up some videos and stuff and maybe we even could it might be an interesting thing, but I don't think we can play that sound through my system jamie if you're listening out there from the joe rogan podcast if you could let If you could if I could connect you with alma and she could figure out how to get that interactive kind of stream thing Yeah, you just need like a big monitor and like screen capture it.

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Oh, yeah, that might work, huh?

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Yeah, right there, but they can play sounds like On the Joe Rogan show, they actually pull up videos and play the sounds associated with those videos when it's not, like, Gonna get screened by YouTube or whatever.

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Yeah.

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Anyway.

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Jamie's a wiz, for sure.

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Well, he's probably not a listener yet.

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You could get the new Gabby.

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Yeah.

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Maybe, maybe she can reach out.

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Yeah.

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I, uh, I was telling these guys, I just, uh, I was just, uh, onboarding really my, my new executive assistant.

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Um, Gabby Lauta is her name.

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And, uh, she and another Gabby were the two top candidates for the role.

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And then Gabrielle comes in here today.

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I'm like, I'm surrounded by Gabby's.

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I've never been around Gabby's in my life.

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Hardly.

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I don't see a nickname.

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It is usual.

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Um, so I want to stick on you for a little bit, Gabby, if you would, cause real estate's cool and what you're doing is interesting, but, um, Like, did you have any kind of a plan or was this very much just like the first six months you were just like Annoyed and found a little niche and and you got dopamine hits from people liking your content Oh kind of both, but I would say it's definitely delusional.

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Like I definitely wanted this to be full time I just oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah from the beginning.

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I think I just didn't No, yeah, what that was gonna look like but I was delusional enough to be like I'm gonna somehow make a career out of this That's kind of cool go for it.

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Yeah, and then it blew up, right?

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Yeah, and I was like, that's insane Well, it was kind of the beginning of that.

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Um, You are your brand.

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Yeah kind of mentality and you know in those days and even before that and 2018, 19 people have been like, you know, Kurt, you need to write a book.

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You need to become a guru, you know, and all these things.

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And I just never could feel comfortable with it.

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I'm so much happier on this side of a podcast microphone with actually successful people.

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And she's actually writing a book right now.

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She just got a book deal.

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Right.

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And of course she's putting out a course, like she's crushing it just from one hashtag that in the work that you've.

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I'm sure it was not just for one hashtag, but that's what sparked the fire.

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She laid out the foundation and poured the gas Yeah, I appreciate it.

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I mean like so what I got really good at really quickly is understanding like controversy So you want to make you?

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Like, whatever your message is big enough to where there's room for controversy, someone's going to take a really polarizing side on each side, but you want to be able to hold it well.

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So like for me, right, what I would do is say I was talking about, I'd cover like stuff that was going on in the news at that time, like an employee getting fired for having a mouse jiggler on their laptop, right?

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And so I, what I would see is like, There was a lot of buzz around that.

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So I would like kind of host like my own discourse about it.

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And I wouldn't pick a side or anything like that.

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But it was just enough controversy to get that engagement going.

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And then every time that I was doing that, talking about these more polarizing things, I was getting on headlines like I was getting on the news.

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So it was like, that was free press.

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PR in itself.

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So I was starting to like really like workshop that before I hit the lazy girl job trend.

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So starting to see like, okay, if I just make enough buzz, there's enough of these like stupid AI generated articles that are created, then the big media companies are seeing that all day.

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They're tracking that they start writing.

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It's just content about content about content.

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That's all this legacy media is.

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So I was like, okay, if I just make a loud enough noise, like they'll pick up on it.

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And so I saw the noise comes from people engaging.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And it was so relatable.

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Like everything that you talked about is so relatable still is.

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Yeah.

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And we talked about like one or two of those topics just to give it some context.

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Yeah.

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So how I kind of, how I break this stuff down now, I didn't use to have this like sophisticated of an approach, but now like in this work all day, I really understand it.

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Like I break it down as like this one.

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Acronym I have called F.

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I.

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S.

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T.

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Right.

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So when we're looking to back up, like when we're looking at work, we're kind of told this like work life balance thing.

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Then we tried to move it over to like work life harmony.

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And like, we're still all trying to work life integration.

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Like we're all still trying to figure out like what our relationship with work is in America.

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And.

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What I'm really proposing is like you're looking more for like autonomy.

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So how I break this down is like, okay, looking at fist, right?

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So there's the financial, there's the ideological, there's your social and there's your time, right?

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So all of these things are at play when we're looking at our autonomy at work.

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Okay.

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And so I really trying to create these like more philosophical exercises of like, If you feel like you can't be your full self on a team or in a meeting, that's not intellectual safety.

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Like you're not operating like you.

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And then you're also told to be there for 11 hours a day, 10 hours a day, stuff like that.

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So like, Yeah.

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Okay.

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You're paying me as if I'm a 40 hour a week person, but you're trying to squeeze all you can out of me.

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And when I said this two years ago, this was like, Like people thought I was crazy and I was like, I think it's crazy that you're telling people to work 60 hours a week all the time.

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And then for me, when I started in 2019, my first year was 2020 when I was supposed to get my annual review, I got nothing because no one did.

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And it was just like, and then, you know, you go into the next year and it was like, Oh, but you got a 10 percent raise, which sounds good, but it was.

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It was actually broken up by two years and inflation was at its record high in 2021.

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So I started to like really look at this of like, you guys want me to work 50 hours a week, not actually say it, but make enough like pressure and projects where I have to, I have to work 50, 60, 65 hours.

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And it's just the ROI job is to make you as busy as possible.

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Yeah.

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And I was like that new responsibilities, meaningless, busy work.

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And it's just, it's been crazy.

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And so I was like, this is crazy.

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And I started to get kind of like, Creeped out by it all, but I, I didn't have enough going on in my brand yet to like move and I wanted to say, I wanted to say lazy girl jobs.

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I couldn't say it at my job.

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I was working at Wix, the website builder company.

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So like that would have been like a rough, a rough transition.

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My, my content was already becoming a distraction at that company.

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Were you just like starting to date this boy at this time?

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I met him in 2020 and we started dating.

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Yeah.

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So I started to see the way that he was working.

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I was so indoctrinated by this, like, Go to college, sit at a desk thing, and I started to see the way he was working, and I was like, wait, he just like works, goes and has coffee with people.

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Yeah.

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And he's never on a laptop.

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And then we went to Maui.

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That was our first vacation together in 2021.

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I actually wrote about this in my book.

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You'll get to see it one day.

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And, um, he's like, Just like working when he wants to, he had just onboarded Amanda, his first operational assistant.

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And I was like, wait, he's like unplugging.

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And then he's also like taking calls when he wants to, while we're on the beach.

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I'm like, what is it?

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And he was, he was making like tons more than me.

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And I was like, this is crazy.

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Yeah.

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I was like, this is crazy.

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Like I totally took the wrong pill here.

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Um, and I'm not trying to like wake people up at a nine to fives.

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I think nine to fives are still like a good thing, but it's just like having that balance and discernment of like.

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Where's your actual goal?

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Stop thinking about only goals that benefit your employer.

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You can still be a team player.

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I think that's great, but it's just like that balance.

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Right.

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So I come off very like jarring sometimes for people and that's because I'm trying to swing them out of this like huge, I call it corporate pick me back kind of into the middle, you know?

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So it's like, they're over here, I'm over here.

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I'm just trying to get them in the middle.

00:17:05.914 --> 00:17:12.595
I, uh, so a couple of things that I relate to in this story, one is that I've got kind of a habit.

00:17:12.759 --> 00:17:13.619
A hobby.

00:17:13.700 --> 00:17:15.069
We'll call it a hobby, not a habit.

00:17:15.420 --> 00:17:25.119
But I, I liked, I love to bring corporate employees that have had a ton of great training and a ton of, you know, they're just, they pump a lot of stuff into you.

00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:27.420
You see how big, complex systems work.

00:17:27.829 --> 00:17:34.630
And then when you see these small businesses, it's like sometimes easier for them, you know, except for the lack of resources.

00:17:34.630 --> 00:17:34.970
Right.

00:17:35.134 --> 00:17:54.305
So bringing people out of, you know, 100, 000 a year, corporate jobs into 68, 000 a year, small business jobs, but where they get to see the impact of their work, where they get to feel part of a team, almost a family environment and, and go be at lacrosse games if you want to, for your kid and whatever, right?

00:17:54.305 --> 00:17:59.914
Like that's kind of environment that I think is sustainable.

00:18:00.184 --> 00:18:01.285
And that's, what's important.

00:18:02.025 --> 00:18:20.825
Yeah, you can, you can go be ground up and, and some, and maybe it makes sense for a lot of people to just go get ground up by a corporate job and, you know, climb the corporate ladder for 10 years so you can buy a house and get your foundation built so you can have a kid and whatever, but you can't do it for 40 years at the way they want you to anymore.

00:18:20.984 --> 00:18:21.894
No, that's what I'm saying.

00:18:21.894 --> 00:18:26.325
And I'm so glad that you brought that up too, because this is still very riveting to like baby boomers to talk about.

00:18:26.325 --> 00:18:27.174
And it's like, yeah, but it's.

00:18:27.734 --> 00:18:33.105
Like how I try to say it with them is like, it's not like you just stay in one career path at one company.

00:18:33.115 --> 00:18:34.115
You get to work up the ladder.

00:18:34.134 --> 00:18:35.914
Like that's just not a thing anymore.

00:18:36.255 --> 00:18:39.444
It can be, but it's few and far between compared to baby boomers.

00:18:39.444 --> 00:18:39.714
Right.

00:18:39.714 --> 00:18:41.134
So it's like this whole adaptability.

00:18:41.134 --> 00:18:42.555
So I'm all for job hopping.

00:18:42.884 --> 00:18:45.394
I'm all for like quiet quitting in certain scenarios.

00:18:45.394 --> 00:18:52.095
I'm all about like doing the work if you need to, like, I'm all about, it's just like, use these levers and treat yourself more.

00:18:52.404 --> 00:18:55.755
Like an actual business at some points because like you do have to be that resilient.

00:18:55.755 --> 00:18:57.964
You're just a little economic engine of your own.

00:18:58.319 --> 00:18:58.589
Yeah.

00:18:58.589 --> 00:19:02.230
And sometimes you might find yourself unemployed if you go into the wrong field, you know.

00:19:02.519 --> 00:19:09.200
But if you like working in startups and that's what makes you feel excited, well, that's gonna occasionally come with some layoffs.

00:19:09.240 --> 00:19:09.500
Yeah.

00:19:09.500 --> 00:19:10.890
Even failures and whatever.

00:19:10.920 --> 00:19:12.980
But know, know who you are.

00:19:13.109 --> 00:19:13.319
Yeah.

00:19:13.934 --> 00:19:15.724
And then what was the rest of the fist?

00:19:16.095 --> 00:19:21.835
So yeah, there's financial Is that like, urgh, is this like, I'm thinking about, uh It's the only word I could come up with with those letters.

00:19:21.845 --> 00:19:24.815
Malcolm, Malcolm X kind of style, actually.

00:19:24.835 --> 00:19:28.884
It's not as radical as that, but Do you think Malcolm X would have voted for Trump or Kamala?

00:19:31.059 --> 00:19:32.839
Trump because of the free speech stuff.

00:19:32.839 --> 00:19:34.269
Yeah, I agree with that.

00:19:34.410 --> 00:19:34.839
Yeah.

00:19:34.950 --> 00:19:35.849
Anyway, I digress.

00:19:35.940 --> 00:19:36.180
Yeah.

00:19:37.759 --> 00:19:39.559
What's the Olympics dude?

00:19:40.470 --> 00:19:44.490
The black dude that won the Olympic gold medal during the Hitler Olympics?

00:19:44.490 --> 00:19:44.930
Yeah.

00:19:44.980 --> 00:19:45.779
Jesse Owens.

00:19:45.839 --> 00:19:46.809
I have no idea.

00:19:46.910 --> 00:19:48.349
Yeah, I think it's Jesse Owens.

00:19:48.539 --> 00:19:49.470
Anyway, I digress.

00:19:49.960 --> 00:19:53.484
The Fists have a lot of good You know, there's a lot of positives with that.

00:19:53.484 --> 00:19:56.845
So it's financial, it's intellectual, social and time, right?

00:19:56.845 --> 00:19:58.045
The social one's important to you.

00:19:58.055 --> 00:20:09.335
Cause there's a lot of this, like in corporate America, there's this pressure of like going to the happy hour and it's like, you don't have to, but like you have to, and then it's like kind of thinking, especially with Gen Z, like a lot of Gen Z.

00:20:09.785 --> 00:20:13.345
Just don't think the same as, as, um, their predecessors.

00:20:13.365 --> 00:20:17.255
So it's like, we don't really want to sit at a happy hour.

00:20:17.255 --> 00:20:20.575
Like if we can just use that time back for other stuff, that'd be great.

00:20:20.585 --> 00:20:22.375
Especially people that have like kiddos.

00:20:22.384 --> 00:20:25.434
It's just like, why are you hanging out together all day?

00:20:25.434 --> 00:20:35.464
I'm not saying that like, it's good to have a relationship with people that you work with, but it's just this idea with these giant, giant corporations of like, hang out all day, working remotely for Wix and whatever.

00:20:35.505 --> 00:20:35.805
Yeah.

00:20:35.805 --> 00:20:38.055
And then they would try to pull me in a lot for happy hours.

00:20:38.065 --> 00:20:38.724
And I was like, I'm.

00:20:39.184 --> 00:20:40.085
I'm gonna go to yoga.

00:20:40.194 --> 00:20:42.855
You loved the happy hours.

00:20:42.974 --> 00:20:43.404
Did I?

00:20:43.474 --> 00:20:44.035
No.

00:20:44.065 --> 00:20:45.194
No, absolutely not.

00:20:45.204 --> 00:20:46.384
No, they would pull me in.

00:20:46.605 --> 00:20:50.315
Well, and they didn't give me a raise my first year and inflation was hitting pretty heavy in Denver.

00:20:50.984 --> 00:20:58.884
And so I moved back, well that's not why I moved in with Matt, but I was, it just made more sense to move in with Matt, we were developing our relationship, and they would be like, are you gonna make it to the happy hour?

00:20:58.884 --> 00:21:01.835
And I would be like, I'm, like, an hour and ten minutes away.

00:21:01.974 --> 00:21:03.484
Right, yeah, sorry.

00:21:04.164 --> 00:21:08.654
If you wanna bring up my salary back up to the cost of living, absolutely, but like, yeah, no.

00:21:09.785 --> 00:21:17.394
So that's just like, for me, right, I'm 27, so I'm like, I'm the oldest year of Gen Z, so like, that's a little bit of like, how we Oh, you're older than I thought, honestly.

00:21:17.444 --> 00:21:17.914
Oh really?

00:21:17.914 --> 00:21:19.164
Yeah, I look, I look young.

00:21:19.224 --> 00:21:25.404
Um, but uh, yeah, so like, that's just kind of our sentiment about work, and it's a little extreme to a certain extent, right?

00:21:25.404 --> 00:21:28.765
I do think it's great to Yeah, well sometimes to make a point, you kind of go over the point.

00:21:28.884 --> 00:21:29.285
Yeah.

00:21:29.325 --> 00:21:30.005
Just a little bit.

00:21:30.200 --> 00:21:30.549
Yeah.

00:21:30.829 --> 00:21:31.220
So.

00:21:31.289 --> 00:21:33.470
And it's important to like have morale in a company too.

00:21:33.470 --> 00:21:34.359
You should have networks.

00:21:34.359 --> 00:21:36.960
You never know who you're going to meet and the opportunities around it.

00:21:36.960 --> 00:21:37.400
Well, yeah.

00:21:37.400 --> 00:21:46.049
And I mean, you, you mentioned the social, um, and like for you, the happy hours that they were engaging was not filling your social bucket.

00:21:46.049 --> 00:21:47.470
You'd rather be in a yoga class.

00:21:47.785 --> 00:21:50.924
Well, cause the thing for me is I was also working on my business.

00:21:50.934 --> 00:21:55.015
So it was like any other time that I wasn't working, I wanted to work on anti work girl boss.

00:21:55.015 --> 00:21:56.244
I wanted to grow this thing.

00:21:56.244 --> 00:22:00.964
So it was like, if this is just like a nicety, like show up thing, I don't want to do it.

00:22:00.984 --> 00:22:02.815
And also I don't drink.

00:22:02.825 --> 00:22:07.825
And my Wix is very like into drinking and they would black out.

00:22:07.825 --> 00:22:10.605
Like my directors would black out at events and stuff like that.

00:22:10.634 --> 00:22:13.394
And it was just like, So if you're not going to remember I'm not going to black out today.

00:22:13.404 --> 00:22:15.271
No, you're fine because we're hanging out.

00:22:15.271 --> 00:22:19.894
Matthew required me to drink tequila and to I'm totally smoke marijuana before No, no, no, I'm DD.

00:22:19.964 --> 00:22:20.954
I'm You got two DDs.

00:22:21.255 --> 00:22:21.434
Yeah.

00:22:21.934 --> 00:22:24.144
We're totally cool with it, but it was just in a work setting, right?

00:22:24.144 --> 00:22:26.815
If you're going to black out, you're not going to remember our conversation.

00:22:26.815 --> 00:22:26.924
That's gross.

00:22:26.924 --> 00:22:27.845
So what's the point?

00:22:28.315 --> 00:22:28.974
I mean, I'm sorry.

00:22:28.974 --> 00:22:34.974
I don't mean to put Wix on blast like that, but like, yeah, you're going to get me in trouble for putting you on a platform.

00:22:36.075 --> 00:22:38.384
I, they heard about it in my exit interview.

00:22:38.414 --> 00:22:43.275
Like this isn't a whole, they know, but it's just like, that's what I'm getting out of just like, what are we doing?

00:22:43.765 --> 00:22:44.825
What are we doing here?

00:22:45.164 --> 00:22:46.025
We got cigars.

00:22:46.404 --> 00:22:46.835
There you go.

00:22:47.884 --> 00:22:49.174
Cubanos.

00:22:49.355 --> 00:22:52.535
Um, should I get one of those Monte Crestos from the road?

00:22:52.884 --> 00:22:53.855
Okay, cool.

00:22:54.424 --> 00:23:01.170
Um, so, um, Alright, um, well I was going to put Matthew back on the spot, but he's got a big old cigar stuck in his mouth.

00:23:01.759 --> 00:23:11.390
Matthew, I would like to, we're going to go back, for both of you guys, we're going to go back to like, uh, first grade kind of thing eventually in the time machine.

00:23:11.390 --> 00:23:18.539
But, Matthew, I want to hear about, like, for you, uh, Why did real estate become an interest?

00:23:19.039 --> 00:23:21.349
You know, I didn't even have that on the radar.

00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:23.859
I didn't know that's anything that I was going to do.

00:23:23.980 --> 00:23:29.460
Um, I came up here from Houston, Texas, 11 years ago.

00:23:30.099 --> 00:23:35.000
And I had no idea what I was going to do.

00:23:35.000 --> 00:23:37.019
I moved to Fort Collins to go to CSU.

00:23:37.019 --> 00:23:40.029
I thought I wanted to go to college to get into the corporate world.

00:23:40.569 --> 00:23:44.480
And I was really thinking to myself, what do I want out of life?

00:23:44.480 --> 00:23:45.359
What do I want to create?

00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:56.519
And I thought to myself, who in my life has created the most autonomy and had the most financial freedom and had attractive lives that looked worth living.

00:23:56.900 --> 00:23:59.029
And a lot of those were realtors that I knew.

00:23:59.029 --> 00:23:59.599
And, and.

00:23:59.910 --> 00:24:02.769
People that actually invested in the market and, and built wealth.

00:24:02.789 --> 00:24:04.480
It's like a real job.

00:24:05.029 --> 00:24:05.259
Yeah.

00:24:05.259 --> 00:24:07.130
That's what a lot of people think, dude.

00:24:07.130 --> 00:24:11.609
It's like, uh, it's hard, but it's hard to say you got to be a therapist.

00:24:11.630 --> 00:24:15.430
I wear a lot of counselor, financial analyst.

00:24:15.539 --> 00:24:16.259
Yeah.

00:24:17.019 --> 00:24:20.390
And what's funny about real estate too, is anyone can do it.

00:24:20.390 --> 00:24:22.730
There's a very low barrier of entry.

00:24:23.065 --> 00:24:31.644
Um, and that's why you see a lot of people getting out of the market, especially this past year, because the economy has shifted and market shares open up for good agents.

00:24:31.944 --> 00:24:39.835
Um, and I think a lot of the changes that are going out into the marketplace are going to keep weeding out the bad agents, the hobbyist agents.

00:24:40.599 --> 00:24:43.559
And then we're going to see the cream of the crop rise to the top.

00:24:43.670 --> 00:24:45.109
And that happens in any industry.

00:24:45.819 --> 00:24:47.549
Um, but it's been creamy.

00:24:47.839 --> 00:24:48.759
I'm very creamy.

00:24:49.490 --> 00:24:54.140
Cash rules, everything around me, not really, but I love that.

00:24:54.450 --> 00:25:08.680
So for the, uh, for the listeners out there, if you're in Fort Collins, which I know about at least half of our 40 percent of our listeners are, um, if you've seen a bus stop bench with a inappropriate.

00:25:09.265 --> 00:25:17.045
Uh, like almost, it's appropriate, uh, but a, a gigolo like, uh, image of a realtor of your dreams.

00:25:17.194 --> 00:25:19.744
I've got a really funny story about that too.

00:25:19.744 --> 00:25:26.444
So that was early, that was like your first big spend I bet that was the biggest spin to this day.

00:25:26.605 --> 00:25:31.755
Uh, those, those bus benches aren't cheap and I've got a couple of funny stories surrounding those.

00:25:31.795 --> 00:25:31.815
Yeah.

00:25:32.065 --> 00:25:37.184
The first one being online to test out what I was going to put into the market for marketing.

00:25:37.454 --> 00:25:39.325
It's a picture of me laying down.

00:25:39.325 --> 00:25:40.694
That's the back of the bus bench.

00:25:41.494 --> 00:25:42.654
Maybe it wasn't gigolo like.

00:25:42.694 --> 00:25:43.134
That's what I thought.

00:25:43.134 --> 00:25:45.035
It was on the online version.

00:25:45.035 --> 00:25:47.815
And this is probably what stuck because it was so sticky.

00:25:47.815 --> 00:25:48.785
It was so polarizing.

00:25:48.785 --> 00:25:51.285
It was my first experience with polarized marketing.

00:25:52.055 --> 00:25:56.625
I had hashtag real estate porn that caught a lot of attention.

00:25:57.359 --> 00:26:05.240
In the bold print on the bus bench with me laying down, it said, for a good time, call Matthew Fugate.

00:26:05.299 --> 00:26:05.759
Oh God.

00:26:06.059 --> 00:26:07.390
And that was a tester.

00:26:07.880 --> 00:26:10.799
And that was my first experience of polarized marketing.

00:26:11.079 --> 00:26:14.589
And I had 36, 000 engagements.

00:26:14.599 --> 00:26:14.630
What?

00:26:14.940 --> 00:26:16.250
Within 24 hours.

00:26:16.299 --> 00:26:20.230
So, that's when I learned, stir in the pot works.

00:26:20.240 --> 00:26:20.519
Right.

00:26:20.549 --> 00:26:21.529
And it sticks.

00:26:21.539 --> 00:26:24.019
It's kind of that purple cow philosophy, right?

00:26:24.424 --> 00:26:25.634
I never saw a purple cow.

00:26:25.634 --> 00:26:29.224
I never hoped to see one, but I can tell you anyhow, I'd rather see than be one.

00:26:29.565 --> 00:26:30.365
Absolutely.

00:26:30.434 --> 00:26:31.125
Do you know that poem?

00:26:31.204 --> 00:26:31.595
No.

00:26:31.984 --> 00:26:33.845
Oh, well, you're lucky I remember that.

00:26:33.845 --> 00:26:34.535
I thought you were just freestyling, dude.

00:26:34.535 --> 00:26:35.765
No, that's first grade.

00:26:35.775 --> 00:26:40.505
That's a first grade poem you just benefited from is, I never saw a purple cow.

00:26:41.224 --> 00:26:46.644
I never hoped to see one, but I can tell you anyhow, I'd rather see than be one.

00:26:46.974 --> 00:26:47.394
Amen.

00:26:47.414 --> 00:26:47.815
There you go.

00:26:48.055 --> 00:26:48.335
Yeah.

00:26:48.615 --> 00:26:50.045
I can resonate with that.

00:26:50.095 --> 00:26:50.474
I don't know.

00:26:50.535 --> 00:26:52.085
Maybe I'd rather be a purple cow.

00:26:52.125 --> 00:26:55.045
Like, that would be In today's age, you can be whatever you want to be.

00:26:55.404 --> 00:26:58.674
You know, do you want to be unique or do you want to be real?

00:26:59.105 --> 00:26:59.355
Yeah.

00:26:59.355 --> 00:27:00.105
I want to be both.

00:27:00.105 --> 00:27:01.535
I think unique is real.

00:27:02.075 --> 00:27:04.164
I think that is what's real today.

00:27:04.224 --> 00:27:05.744
It's just the attention economy.

00:27:06.055 --> 00:27:07.484
That's what you want to tap into.

00:27:07.515 --> 00:27:09.934
So no matter if it's good or bad, you want the attention.

00:27:10.015 --> 00:27:14.654
Well, and I think, uh, Prager actually says, uh, don't try to be unique.

00:27:14.664 --> 00:27:15.494
Try to be authentic.

00:27:15.494 --> 00:27:15.535
Yeah.

00:27:15.980 --> 00:27:16.569
I like that.

00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:17.089
Yeah.

00:27:17.329 --> 00:27:17.549
Yeah.

00:27:17.549 --> 00:27:24.650
Um, and cause like everything I heard from you in particular, Gabby, but also you, Matthew, you're a out there kind of guy.

00:27:24.819 --> 00:27:25.180
Yeah.

00:27:25.180 --> 00:27:29.460
Um, and willing to be open to criticism.

00:27:30.109 --> 00:27:30.210
Yeah.

00:27:30.220 --> 00:27:31.009
Absolutely.

00:27:31.059 --> 00:27:31.369
Yeah.

00:27:31.410 --> 00:27:36.000
And I guess that's probably part of why you guys like, like each other and stuff, right?

00:27:36.019 --> 00:27:36.609
Yeah, we get it.

00:27:36.609 --> 00:27:38.180
We feed off of each other, I think.

00:27:38.190 --> 00:27:41.210
She really grounds me cause I'm very visionary.

00:27:41.210 --> 00:27:42.347
I'm very like, Yeah.

00:27:42.347 --> 00:27:42.375
Absolutely.

00:27:42.855 --> 00:27:45.315
I'm a dreamer, but I'm also a doer.

00:27:46.055 --> 00:27:49.204
But she's very, she's very grounded.

00:27:49.414 --> 00:27:51.204
'cause I'm, I'm kind of chaotic.

00:27:51.204 --> 00:27:52.285
I've got a lot of energy.

00:27:52.375 --> 00:27:53.664
I'm enthusiastic.

00:27:54.125 --> 00:27:54.484
You are.

00:27:54.664 --> 00:27:55.805
But it's good fun.

00:27:55.805 --> 00:27:56.464
Gets it done.

00:27:56.904 --> 00:27:57.144
Yes.

00:27:57.144 --> 00:28:00.585
It's, no, I think we respect each other a lot too.

00:28:00.585 --> 00:28:04.724
I think that's also another thing that's the foundation of our relationship is respect.

00:28:04.785 --> 00:28:05.204
Yeah.

00:28:05.204 --> 00:28:11.924
I think with Matthew and I both, right, like we actually do work a lot and we do take on a lot of stress, of course, being business owners.

00:28:12.869 --> 00:28:14.609
There's weird stresses to it too.

00:28:14.609 --> 00:28:15.809
Like these were very thoughtful.

00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:16.500
Absolutely.

00:28:16.500 --> 00:28:17.791
Those are cu, they're like cigars Cubans.

00:28:17.797 --> 00:28:20.519
They're like a small investment arent, yeah, they're called like mini Cuban cigars.

00:28:20.549 --> 00:28:21.150
Yeah.

00:28:21.480 --> 00:28:23.130
These probably be greatest blunts too.

00:28:23.369 --> 00:28:25.109
You could little mini blunts.

00:28:25.349 --> 00:28:25.920
Yeah.

00:28:26.460 --> 00:28:28.394
That's like Snoop, how blunts don't do that.

00:28:28.394 --> 00:28:28.474
Right.

00:28:28.740 --> 00:28:29.579
I can teach you.

00:28:29.579 --> 00:28:31.575
I used to do a lot of that back in the day.

00:28:31.579 --> 00:28:31.755
Yeah.

00:28:31.755 --> 00:28:31.954
Okay.

00:28:32.414 --> 00:28:35.069
All right, we'll talk more about that later.

00:28:36.890 --> 00:28:37.609
Um.

00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:47.059
So, so, so you, like, so, you came to Fort Collins, maybe go to school, maybe go to real estate, like Nah, I didn't even have real estate on the radar, dude.

00:28:47.059 --> 00:28:50.589
I came here literally with First, let's rewind.

00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:53.309
Should we just jump in the time machine now?

00:28:53.309 --> 00:28:56.135
I think that's the easiest way.

00:28:56.135 --> 00:28:58.269
It'll be more exploratory.

00:28:58.339 --> 00:29:00.480
Matt's time machine's good.

00:29:00.500 --> 00:29:01.450
Set the foundation.

00:29:01.869 --> 00:29:02.410
Yeah.

00:29:03.130 --> 00:29:04.589
Okay, so, ready?

00:29:07.529 --> 00:29:10.029
And this would be the condensed milk version.

00:29:10.380 --> 00:29:11.690
Short and sweet.

00:29:11.690 --> 00:29:13.359
Can pack a punch.

00:29:13.359 --> 00:29:19.714
But I want to go back, like, earlier than normal, like, First grade is a normal target for me.

00:29:19.775 --> 00:29:20.454
Oh, cool.

00:29:20.535 --> 00:29:24.244
Yeah, we'll And we'll bounce over to Gabby a little bit too and kind of work our way through.

00:29:24.335 --> 00:29:27.045
Yours isn't probably quite as interesting, Gabby, but that's what we do.

00:29:27.045 --> 00:29:29.424
Actually, hers is kind of interesting too.

00:29:29.505 --> 00:29:30.125
That's crazy too.

00:29:30.125 --> 00:29:33.194
Yeah, we both have, like, we're both marinated.

00:29:33.285 --> 00:29:35.494
And I think that's what makes us so special.

00:29:36.329 --> 00:29:38.549
Gives us a different lens on, on the world.

00:29:39.140 --> 00:29:42.190
Um, but in first grade, everything was pretty good.

00:29:42.190 --> 00:29:46.920
I grew up in Houston, Texas, uh, lower middle class family.

00:29:46.950 --> 00:29:54.839
My mom worked at JC Penney's and my dad worked at a factory like doing signs, making signs and stuff, hardworking.

00:29:55.460 --> 00:30:00.819
He liked to drink a lot and, um, that was kind of incorporated early on.

00:30:00.849 --> 00:30:02.069
I grew up a lot.

00:30:02.454 --> 00:30:05.025
Around the bars I do my homework at the bar.

00:30:05.095 --> 00:30:09.904
Oh wow, and I thought that was kind of the part of the life Right, and I didn't I didn't know.

00:30:09.914 --> 00:30:11.545
Were you his only child?

00:30:12.085 --> 00:30:14.944
Basically, yeah, cuz my brother's 50.

00:30:15.275 --> 00:30:16.515
He's up here now.

00:30:16.845 --> 00:30:18.474
So but he's 20 years older.

00:30:18.704 --> 00:30:21.579
Yeah, so I grew up in a It was just me and the household.

00:30:21.589 --> 00:30:21.819
Right.

00:30:21.819 --> 00:30:23.700
And your dad was like, well, I'm going to be at the bar.

00:30:24.019 --> 00:30:29.859
Your mom's working and we're going together and you might as well do your homework here and you can sit over by Fred.

00:30:30.140 --> 00:30:33.750
And we're going to, what I did like was the claw machine, the pool table.

00:30:33.890 --> 00:30:34.700
I'm okay at pool.

00:30:34.700 --> 00:30:37.160
I should be better with the amount of time that I spent at the bar.

00:30:37.849 --> 00:30:40.460
But, um, yeah, it was great.

00:30:40.829 --> 00:30:43.109
It was, it was a different experience.

00:30:43.109 --> 00:30:44.750
I don't know anything else.

00:30:44.789 --> 00:30:45.329
Yeah.

00:30:46.029 --> 00:30:46.710
So it wasn't.

00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:48.190
So let's move you to like fourth grade now.

00:30:48.589 --> 00:30:49.589
Now we're in fourth grade.

00:30:50.089 --> 00:30:53.490
I was a little heathen, like, in school I was kind of a class clown.

00:30:53.759 --> 00:31:02.359
I didn't realize I was using humor to cope with kind of the, the pain and, and suffering, which Did your parents have a decent relationship?

00:31:02.789 --> 00:31:05.130
Yeah, they were, they would argue a lot.

00:31:05.160 --> 00:31:06.230
My dad would get wasted.

00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:07.279
She didn't drink like you did?

00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:10.819
No, my mom was, she's an angel to this day, and so is my dad now.

00:31:10.819 --> 00:31:12.730
He's been sober the same amount of time I have.

00:31:12.849 --> 00:31:12.950
Oh wow.

00:31:12.950 --> 00:31:14.730
He actually got sober sooner than I did.

00:31:14.789 --> 00:31:15.220
Oh wow.

00:31:15.269 --> 00:31:18.460
And that kind of, that's really Spurge your, if my dad can do it.

00:31:18.940 --> 00:31:20.960
No, not even.

00:31:20.960 --> 00:31:27.059
But, coincidentally, and I think it was just, it was perfect timing.

00:31:27.099 --> 00:31:27.450
Right?

00:31:27.730 --> 00:31:29.930
But in fourth grade, life was still good.

00:31:30.210 --> 00:31:33.109
Fifth grade is when I started to really experiment.

00:31:33.109 --> 00:31:35.470
I had my first marijuana cigarette.

00:31:35.470 --> 00:31:39.799
I had my first, I started getting drunk regularly on the weekends and smoking weed.

00:31:40.089 --> 00:31:41.690
And then I started selling weed.

00:31:42.065 --> 00:31:42.555
With who?

00:31:42.724 --> 00:31:44.025
Uh, my buddies.

00:31:44.095 --> 00:31:45.734
Like, you were hanging out with older kids?

00:31:45.734 --> 00:31:46.474
With your age kids?

00:31:46.525 --> 00:31:50.924
Yeah, the older kids that rode bikes and, and skateboarded, and I thought that was the life.

00:31:50.924 --> 00:31:55.055
And you saved your money so you could buy a bigger bag of weed, and then sell weed to the kids at school?

00:31:55.085 --> 00:32:02.865
Well, the first bag that I ever secured was from a Pokemon card, a holographic Pokemon card that I traded a, a neighborhood kid.

00:32:03.085 --> 00:32:04.605
He stole his dad's weed.

00:32:04.835 --> 00:32:05.194
Okay.

00:32:05.204 --> 00:32:05.605
Gave me a 5.

00:32:05.664 --> 00:32:06.755
fat sack.

00:32:06.765 --> 00:32:08.744
It was probably about like a half ounce.

00:32:08.744 --> 00:32:15.865
I rolled those up and was selling three dollar joints or five dollar joints.

00:32:15.875 --> 00:32:16.055
Yeah.

00:32:16.055 --> 00:32:16.365
Yeah.

00:32:16.785 --> 00:32:17.164
Yeah.

00:32:17.204 --> 00:32:17.394
Yeah.

00:32:17.394 --> 00:32:19.434
That was a pretty valuable Pokemon card.

00:32:19.474 --> 00:32:22.505
It was a pretty valuable probably turned into 25 joints or something.

00:32:23.380 --> 00:32:28.200
And I was selling Mexican candy and just like 25 to 50 cents a piece.

00:32:28.259 --> 00:32:28.910
It was fun.

00:32:29.069 --> 00:32:31.279
We were hustling early on, you know?

00:32:31.369 --> 00:32:38.059
Okay, um, I'm gonna save the next chapter until after we hear of Gabby's first chapter, or first couple chapters.

00:32:38.119 --> 00:32:39.650
Um, first grade?

00:32:40.164 --> 00:32:43.105
First grade, I was still living in, uh, Princeton, New Jersey.

00:32:43.434 --> 00:32:43.934
Um, I lived there.

00:32:44.025 --> 00:32:45.795
That's where you're from, originally?

00:32:45.795 --> 00:32:46.285
Kind of.

00:32:46.285 --> 00:32:49.095
I mean, I moved there, I lived there until I was ten.

00:32:49.105 --> 00:32:49.134
Okay.

00:32:49.315 --> 00:32:51.275
And then my parents moved me out here in 2007.

00:32:51.414 --> 00:32:51.724
Alright.

00:32:51.755 --> 00:32:53.454
So that was fifth grade, when I moved here.

00:32:53.914 --> 00:32:58.839
Um, fourth grade me, um, so my, Well, let's go back to first grade, you.

00:32:59.289 --> 00:33:01.289
Like, did you have little brothers, little sisters?

00:33:01.329 --> 00:33:03.609
Yeah, I have a little sister, she's four years younger than me.

00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:03.970
Alright.

00:33:03.970 --> 00:33:05.099
Her name's Joey, she's awesome.

00:33:05.099 --> 00:33:07.380
So she was just a little one when you were in first grade.

00:33:07.380 --> 00:33:08.829
A little one, yeah, yeah.

00:33:08.849 --> 00:33:17.589
And, um, my dad is an alcoholic, bipolar, um, all this stuff, yeah, super, super, um, he wasn't super crazy yet.

00:33:18.005 --> 00:33:19.664
Um, I think he was still kind of holding it together.

00:33:19.664 --> 00:33:21.394
He had me at 29 years old.

00:33:21.394 --> 00:33:22.375
So yeah, he was in his 30s.

00:33:22.444 --> 00:33:24.654
He didn't really start to really drop off to those 40s.

00:33:24.835 --> 00:33:25.144
Okay.

00:33:25.384 --> 00:33:27.474
Um, and then Yeah, you got some story too.

00:33:27.585 --> 00:33:29.464
Yeah, a lot of domestic violence.

00:33:29.464 --> 00:33:32.154
My parents did not get along together at all.

00:33:32.244 --> 00:33:37.875
Um, I think they started arguing on their second date, as my mom says.

00:33:37.875 --> 00:33:38.194
Yeah.

00:33:38.744 --> 00:33:41.404
So I'm very tumultuous, very chaotic.

00:33:41.404 --> 00:33:44.724
So fourth grade and first grade me was kind of white knuckling.

00:33:44.825 --> 00:33:44.944
Yeah.

00:33:45.535 --> 00:33:47.345
And that's where I started to get super workaholic.

00:33:47.525 --> 00:33:53.099
Like it was like, I started to realize like, I'm not gonna get The emotional support at home.

00:33:53.109 --> 00:33:54.750
Cause no one's available in that way.

00:33:54.750 --> 00:33:55.950
Like there's just so much chaos.

00:33:55.950 --> 00:33:56.789
It can't really happen.

00:33:56.789 --> 00:34:00.809
My mom tried really hard, but being a single mom, I mean, it's, it's a lot.

00:34:00.809 --> 00:34:05.380
I mean, she wasn't single physically, but like in every way she was raising me on her own.

00:34:05.859 --> 00:34:08.920
I mean, he was there, but, um, it was kind of few and far between.

00:34:09.289 --> 00:34:15.489
So I was, I was figuring out, Hey, if I, if I get an a, if I get all a pluses, like I get an external reward.

00:34:15.809 --> 00:34:18.989
And I don't have to do the work of like actually like giving myself a reward.

00:34:18.989 --> 00:34:25.320
And so I started to really play with that and being the gifted and talented kid and like hiding behind all this stuff and being like, no, everything's good.

00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:26.440
Yeah, I do.

00:34:26.650 --> 00:34:27.079
Yeah, family's fine.

00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:28.000
Yeah, everything's good.

00:34:28.449 --> 00:34:30.059
Um, yeah.

00:34:30.059 --> 00:34:32.230
So then do we want to fast forward?

00:34:32.864 --> 00:34:33.775
To an older age.

00:34:34.344 --> 00:34:37.635
Well, you moved here, to this region, somewhere around here when you were 5th grade?

00:34:37.815 --> 00:34:38.655
Yeah, 5th grade.

00:34:38.664 --> 00:34:43.155
And then, yeah, in Fort Collins, I went to CLP, uh, middle school and elementary.

00:34:43.284 --> 00:34:43.315
Okay.

00:34:43.315 --> 00:34:45.494
Because that was the last 6th grade year in elementary school.

00:34:45.554 --> 00:34:46.355
What's CLP mean?

00:34:46.764 --> 00:34:47.324
Cash la booter.

00:34:47.414 --> 00:34:47.635
Oh.

00:34:48.025 --> 00:34:48.405
Yeah, yeah.

00:34:48.405 --> 00:34:48.795
Yeah, yeah.

00:34:48.804 --> 00:34:50.664
That's where our, uh, exchange student is going right now.

00:34:50.860 --> 00:34:51.309
Yeah.

00:34:51.340 --> 00:34:51.610
Yeah.

00:34:51.610 --> 00:34:52.239
At PLU High School.

00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:52.599
Of course.

00:34:52.750 --> 00:34:53.139
Yeah.

00:34:53.260 --> 00:34:55.630
And they wanted to, um, skip me a grade.

00:34:55.630 --> 00:34:57.010
New Jersey schools are really good.

00:34:57.070 --> 00:34:59.320
Um, and so my mom said no.

00:34:59.320 --> 00:35:04.329
And so I stayed in fifth grade, but I walked over to the junior high for most of my classes, so.

00:35:04.329 --> 00:35:04.574
Oh, interesting.

00:35:04.574 --> 00:35:10.360
Yeah, I was over there with older kids and, uh, I found some really, really amazing like, friend groups that I'm still like really close with.

00:35:10.405 --> 00:35:10.695
Okay.

00:35:11.224 --> 00:35:11.385
Yeah.

00:35:11.594 --> 00:35:17.255
So you didn't, uh, you weren't early into, uh, peddling Pokemon weed bags or things like that?

00:35:17.494 --> 00:35:19.304
Not till like 14, 15.

00:35:19.304 --> 00:35:19.804
Okay.

00:35:19.804 --> 00:35:20.255
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:35:20.275 --> 00:35:23.875
So, so, so you were really a hyper overachiever.

00:35:23.965 --> 00:35:24.085
Yeah.

00:35:24.385 --> 00:35:25.094
Pretty much.

00:35:25.105 --> 00:35:25.844
I still am, yeah.

00:35:25.875 --> 00:35:28.614
Gifted and talented, all that kind of thing, you know.

00:35:29.155 --> 00:35:37.304
I, I know a gal, uh, here in town, I won't mention names, but she's got like a, she was like tested in her early teens at like a 185 IQ.

00:35:37.304 --> 00:35:37.664
Thank you.

00:35:38.625 --> 00:35:47.934
And it's not a benefit to her because she's got all this pressure that she puts on herself for being like more smarter than everybody else and that it didn't, it ain't worth that much.

00:35:47.945 --> 00:35:56.724
You know, as long as you're over about 90, you're going to, if you push yourself to do a good job of being a human, your chances of success are not that much different than 180.

00:35:57.164 --> 00:36:05.434
I think sometimes being too smart too actually can be, cause you're, you understand the risk and your limitations a little bit more than someone that's more self aware.

00:36:05.434 --> 00:36:05.454
Yeah.

00:36:05.775 --> 00:36:09.255
So it's like, kind of a balance you have to play with, with intellect, for sure.

00:36:09.704 --> 00:36:19.164
So what What turned you what was your like when you started getting into less achievement oriented and more troubly?

00:36:19.315 --> 00:36:42.289
Yeah, your family environment was getting really really bad like to the point where I started seventh grade Living in a motel with my mom and like it started to get really really crazy And so it was just kind of this thing more like especially people who are in abusive situations Not to just to kind of like yeah, it's worth hearing about Yeah, like with my mom like she just She wanted to just take care of me so much.

00:36:42.289 --> 00:36:45.780
She didn't want me to, like, know that it's bad.

00:36:45.780 --> 00:36:50.809
So it was kind of this game all day where like, it was almost like, oh, this table's wood.

00:36:50.849 --> 00:36:52.449
And then they're like, no, it's not.

00:36:52.449 --> 00:36:53.170
It's plastic.

00:36:53.170 --> 00:36:57.300
And I would be like, okay, like that's almost like how like weird it was where I'd be like, this is crazy.

00:36:57.300 --> 00:36:57.619
Right.

00:36:57.639 --> 00:37:00.309
And then my mom would be like, no, yeah.

00:37:00.309 --> 00:37:02.329
And she'd be like, no, honey, like go to school, blah, blah, blah.

00:37:02.610 --> 00:37:11.349
And I think that, and I think she was trying to protect me, but I think longterm, that was a really net negative because it kind of created this, like, I can't trust my reality.

00:37:12.349 --> 00:37:15.329
You know, so I started to really crumble around like 15.

00:37:15.329 --> 00:37:17.349
I think my sophomore year I got put on probation.

00:37:17.730 --> 00:37:19.280
Um, lots of things.

00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:20.559
I got kicked off the soccer team.

00:37:20.570 --> 00:37:22.690
Bad grades, bad grades, bad class attendance.

00:37:22.730 --> 00:37:26.579
I was in IB and they saw me go from like Uh, a 3.

00:37:26.579 --> 00:37:28.630
5 or whatever, down to like a 1.

00:37:28.630 --> 00:37:31.750
8, and it was like a red flag immediately, so I.

00:37:31.780 --> 00:37:33.420
B., the vice principal of the I.

00:37:33.420 --> 00:37:33.610
B.

00:37:33.610 --> 00:37:36.360
group in Poudre, kind of like, really saved my life on that stuff.

00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:40.130
Um, cause they, they knew, you know, like, the teachers know.

00:37:40.130 --> 00:37:43.170
Did that initiate like, child protective services and stuff then, too, or not yet?

00:37:43.170 --> 00:37:46.369
Not for me, personally, that was more with my sister, when she went through.

00:37:47.195 --> 00:37:50.824
Um, and then my daddy, I lost custody of me at 15.

00:37:51.414 --> 00:37:55.784
Finally, they, uh, filed for divorce and that was something that I, I really wanted.

00:37:55.844 --> 00:37:59.894
Um, and so I was really pumped about that cause it was just starting to get really unsafe.

00:38:00.534 --> 00:38:03.465
And, uh, yeah, my mom, I don't know how she did it.

00:38:03.465 --> 00:38:04.554
She worked at Whole Foods.

00:38:04.985 --> 00:38:07.394
I got a car immediately when I could.

00:38:07.394 --> 00:38:10.405
I stopped at the soccer team, got a car, got a job at Taco John's.

00:38:10.485 --> 00:38:10.835
Wow.

00:38:10.934 --> 00:38:13.255
And just to help, you know, drive my sister to CLP.

00:38:13.255 --> 00:38:14.534
She makes really good tacos.

00:38:15.014 --> 00:38:15.465
I believe it.

00:38:15.554 --> 00:38:19.375
No, she can roll them up, but I can roll them up pretty well, but that's about it.

00:38:19.804 --> 00:38:22.072
And I don't know if there's a lot of cuisine happening at Taco John's.

00:38:22.072 --> 00:38:23.257
Wow, that's so impressive though.

00:38:23.257 --> 00:38:26.275
Like, I mean You had support from your mom, but it wasn't much.

00:38:26.284 --> 00:38:27.485
She was maxed out.

00:38:27.614 --> 00:38:28.545
She's maxed out.

00:38:28.565 --> 00:38:29.474
That's a good way to put it.

00:38:29.485 --> 00:38:33.025
Like completely maxed out emotionally, financially, everything.

00:38:33.025 --> 00:38:37.114
And so for me, I think that I didn't get to be a kid.

00:38:37.175 --> 00:38:37.414
Like.

00:38:37.804 --> 00:38:38.054
Yeah.

00:38:38.054 --> 00:38:39.755
Honestly, like I just never really did.

00:38:39.755 --> 00:38:44.625
So that's why I like my twenties now because like I do get to kind of create my own life and be a kid.

00:38:44.894 --> 00:38:57.894
I wonder how much of your, even the, the seeds of anti work girl bosses like goes back to there even, you know, and all that like frustration and not having that play time.

00:38:58.304 --> 00:38:58.545
Yeah.

00:38:58.614 --> 00:38:58.815
Yeah.

00:38:58.815 --> 00:39:06.255
Then you're in Maui with this guy and you're like, you get to play for your work kind of like I haven't been able to play since I was.

00:39:07.250 --> 00:39:08.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:10.170
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:39:10.170 --> 00:39:13.550
So I used to, I used to dabble with stuff and, um, I, I liked stimulants.

00:39:13.550 --> 00:39:16.690
That was my, that was my thing because I felt more productive.

00:39:17.139 --> 00:39:17.159
Yeah.

00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:17.840
You know?

00:39:17.869 --> 00:39:21.280
And, uh, that's something that I kind of grappled with until I was 23.

00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:22.559
I got sober in 2020.

00:39:22.670 --> 00:39:25.400
Um, and yeah, it's been amazing since.

00:39:25.599 --> 00:39:25.769
I love it.

00:39:26.059 --> 00:39:28.849
But we did one more thing and this will make a lot of sense.

00:39:28.860 --> 00:39:30.159
So my father's pretty violent.

00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:34.530
Uh, he got kicked out of the state, you know, he's, he's homeless and he's not here.

00:39:34.530 --> 00:39:35.980
So he likes to just be.

00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:39.710
Bad out in the downtown and stuff like that.

00:39:39.710 --> 00:39:42.949
And so he's like living in downtown here in Fort Collins.

00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:43.630
Not anymore.

00:39:43.659 --> 00:39:44.130
Not anymore.

00:39:44.210 --> 00:39:47.679
Cause he got kicked out of the state for too many things on his record.

00:39:47.679 --> 00:39:51.769
And the judge was just like, you just gotta, I can't even more like do this.

00:39:51.860 --> 00:39:52.150
Right.

00:39:52.150 --> 00:39:55.340
So then he goes to New Jersey to live with his mom, caretake with his mom.

00:39:55.760 --> 00:39:59.469
He tries to kill her for six hours in 2020.

00:40:00.260 --> 00:40:01.460
He is in prison for two years.

00:40:02.635 --> 00:40:03.974
He's supposed to get eight years.

00:40:03.974 --> 00:40:07.255
I think he's going to get six or five because of good behavior.

00:40:07.255 --> 00:40:11.844
But yeah, so he's just like, not the most, he's sick, unfortunately.

00:40:11.875 --> 00:40:18.514
And like, he was just born in like a rough time where like the seventies and eighties, it was like, you know, parents needed to call the cops on their kids.

00:40:18.514 --> 00:40:20.585
And he just wasn't really given anything.

00:40:20.585 --> 00:40:22.954
He's been in and out of rehab since he was 13.

00:40:23.364 --> 00:40:26.625
So, and the, and the, the system in general and stuff.

00:40:26.625 --> 00:40:28.735
So it's rough, but, um.

00:40:28.735 --> 00:40:28.784
Yeah.

00:40:29.650 --> 00:40:36.420
Through my own sobriety and through my own Like learning myself, I get to learn, I get to learn about him.

00:40:36.429 --> 00:40:36.889
You know what I mean?

00:40:36.900 --> 00:40:39.260
Cause there is a lot about me that is similar to him.

00:40:39.260 --> 00:40:41.030
I tend to piss my mom off a lot.

00:40:41.030 --> 00:40:42.119
Cause I remind her of him.

00:40:42.730 --> 00:40:44.130
Um, but that's okay.

00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:45.349
And, uh, yeah, it's cool.

00:40:45.349 --> 00:40:51.409
Cause that's why I go missing, you know, to look for.

00:40:52.539 --> 00:40:55.110
So, yeah, that's been, um, that's been a crazy thing.

00:40:55.110 --> 00:40:58.639
And, uh, actually my dad and I have the best relationship ever right now.

00:40:58.639 --> 00:41:00.280
And I enjoy him in prison.

00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:00.969
He's medicated.

00:41:00.969 --> 00:41:01.440
He's safe.

00:41:01.619 --> 00:41:03.159
He's eating, he's eating meals.

00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:05.039
And you, like, have phone calls with him regularly?

00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:05.590
Phone calls?

00:41:05.590 --> 00:41:06.750
Stuff like that, even go visit him.

00:41:06.809 --> 00:41:07.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:08.737
He doesn't let me visit him, but one day.

00:41:08.737 --> 00:41:09.280
Yeah, he's a great guy.

00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:11.070
I got to talk to him a few times.

00:41:11.099 --> 00:41:11.699
On the phone.

00:41:11.800 --> 00:41:12.159
Wow.

00:41:12.289 --> 00:41:12.599
Yeah.

00:41:13.190 --> 00:41:14.199
Yeah, it's an interesting thing.

00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:26.239
I, I had an experience, um, We had a neighbor, uh, well, we, yeah, we still have neighbors, but there was a fellow in that lived in like a shed behind one of our neighbors.

00:41:26.239 --> 00:41:34.440
And he was like, almost like a handyman free rent to do the yard work and stuff for this, uh, gal that lived next door to us that owned the property.

00:41:34.869 --> 00:41:35.949
That could have been her dad.

00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:37.000
Tom was his name.

00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:44.840
And, uh, and he, um, you know, was a severe alcoholic, you know, and I would hang out with him and smoke weed once in a while and never really drank with him.

00:41:45.489 --> 00:42:00.659
Care took for our house one time and like cleaned out the whole liquor cabinet even like the old de Kuiper's schnapps that was 14 years old and whatever and Then he got sober a couple years later.

00:42:00.730 --> 00:42:08.960
I guess this was probably back in like 2017 range or something like that and within like six months of getting sober.

00:42:08.969 --> 00:42:17.954
He was twice as smart as As he was before, like he was kind of an airhead and this and that and, and sensitive and thoughtful.

00:42:18.315 --> 00:42:30.675
And he spent like a year sober and then he fell off the wagon and turned back into the old Tom and like, A month, you know, and it was like, really, you know, I hate to say it this way.

00:42:30.675 --> 00:42:36.195
Cause you guys know, I like to have a little tequila with my cop podcasts and it loosens everybody up and it's a social lubricant and whatever.

00:42:36.715 --> 00:42:44.614
And as part of my evidence that I don't really have a severe alcohol problem, cause I'm not like, that's actually why we're, why we're here.

00:42:44.614 --> 00:42:46.945
My alcohol problem.

00:42:46.945 --> 00:43:26.880
This is an invention right here, but it was, it was really eyeopening seeing him, like, unfold like a butterfly from the pressures of all the alcohol that Put on his brain, I guess or whatever else and I don't know It's a cunning baffling and powerful disease that keeps people at dis ease if they're not actively enlarging their spiritual conditions and and Looking for the light in in the world and packing in to the stream of life Yeah, that's an interesting way to think of it if it's an escape You really from life and it's this ease.

00:43:27.530 --> 00:43:38.119
Um, and it can also, uh, yeah, it's, it's an interesting thing as a, as a Christian, especially it's like, well, Jesus wouldn't have made wine if all alcohol was always bad.

00:43:38.309 --> 00:43:38.650
Right.

00:43:38.880 --> 00:43:39.340
Right.

00:43:39.389 --> 00:43:39.730
Absolutely.

00:43:40.764 --> 00:43:50.695
You know, there's plenty of warnings about separating yourself from the spirit of the world or whatever because of that disease that you might be feeling.

00:43:51.195 --> 00:43:51.454
Right?

00:43:51.454 --> 00:43:52.585
Insidious.

00:43:52.824 --> 00:43:57.244
And yeah, thank God Jesus turned the wine back into water for me.

00:43:57.835 --> 00:43:59.315
Like, that was the best thing that ever happened.

00:43:59.784 --> 00:44:01.815
Yeah, no, I think that's a beautiful way to say that.

00:44:02.224 --> 00:44:10.364
Um, Matthew, uh, we were going to get into your, uh, next phase of entrepreneurship probably in sixth grade or something like that.

00:44:10.525 --> 00:44:11.074
Eighth grade.

00:44:11.405 --> 00:44:12.175
The enterprise.

00:44:12.510 --> 00:44:14.010
Yeah, that's when we started.

00:44:14.010 --> 00:44:18.280
Um, really sixth grade was good.

00:44:18.289 --> 00:44:19.449
That's when I was in Northbrook.

00:44:19.449 --> 00:44:45.485
That was a great year I was doing well straight A's I did really well through school Even when I was balancing all that other stuff because it was easy to keep the attention off me It didn't start my grades didn't start slipping until like 10th 11th and then barely graduating high school But I started going in and out of rehabs early on outpatients I went to juvenile when I was like 12 or 13 or 14.

00:44:45.485 --> 00:44:50.485
So you're like crushing it in school and getting busted being drunk at class.

00:44:50.514 --> 00:44:55.074
Yeah, well no, I never got busted really and I was drinking at school.

00:44:55.085 --> 00:44:58.054
So did your parents discover that you were drinking and that's why you went to rehab?

00:44:58.054 --> 00:44:59.184
Or what was the source?

00:44:59.195 --> 00:45:00.625
I started getting in trouble with the law.

00:45:00.684 --> 00:45:02.394
Oh, you were stealing and stuff.

00:45:02.605 --> 00:45:11.655
No, I never got really caught and now that the statue of limitations is up I'm not proud of anything that I've done and I think alcohol is one of those dr.

00:45:11.655 --> 00:45:12.364
Jekyll and mr.

00:45:12.364 --> 00:45:17.184
Hyde Substances for alcoholics, so I wasn't the same person that I am today.

00:45:17.465 --> 00:45:19.275
I've completely transformed my life.

00:45:19.525 --> 00:45:38.760
But yeah, I was Drinking doing drugs at that time I would get my first time that I went to juvenile was in Galveston and we got a pretty good Uh, public intoxication and I got busted with marijuana and my parents had to drive out to Galveston and pick me out of the juvenile jail.

00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:42.739
And you were like 12, 13, 14?

00:45:42.739 --> 00:45:44.989
Yeah, somewhere in that range.

00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:45.320
Wow.

00:45:45.329 --> 00:45:45.920
Like middle school.

00:45:45.980 --> 00:45:46.360
Yeah.

00:45:46.369 --> 00:45:48.159
Why were you there by yourself?

00:45:48.250 --> 00:45:49.050
I wasn't by myself.

00:45:49.050 --> 00:45:58.454
Like Galveston Yeah, no, I was with some friends, we were partying in a tent, older friends, a bad girl, and yeah, just not good stuff.

00:45:58.454 --> 00:46:09.525
Yeah, it just got crazy, and then, there's so many stories I could go into, but for the sake of time, like, I'll just tell one about my broken arms.

00:46:09.525 --> 00:46:11.974
I broke Both of my arms at the same time.

00:46:13.094 --> 00:46:14.275
Skateboarding or something.

00:46:14.355 --> 00:46:18.684
It was the summer of eighth grade and I wish it was from skateboarding.

00:46:18.804 --> 00:46:19.784
It seems like a way to do it.

00:46:19.804 --> 00:46:28.215
That would have been a cooler way and a more honorable way, but this was a very humiliating, humbling experience.

00:46:28.215 --> 00:46:30.824
I kind of kickstarted my.

00:46:31.019 --> 00:46:35.739
other addictions into pain pills and opiates and stuff like that.

00:46:36.449 --> 00:46:39.429
So I'm hanging out with some buddies and we're drinking.

00:46:39.429 --> 00:46:42.329
I drank two six packs of Schlitz malt liquor, the tall boys.

00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:47.530
We finished off a fifth of Jack Daniels, uh, between a few people.

00:46:47.704 --> 00:46:49.585
And everybody else went to sleep.

00:46:49.585 --> 00:46:51.065
I was supposed to go see this girl.

00:46:51.355 --> 00:46:53.005
This is when I had a Nokia brick phone.

00:46:53.005 --> 00:46:55.105
That's when the Nokia brick phones were popular.

00:46:55.585 --> 00:46:56.954
And I remember trying to call her.

00:46:57.054 --> 00:46:58.085
She stopped answering.

00:46:58.085 --> 00:46:59.385
It's like midnight.

00:46:59.784 --> 00:47:00.614
I black out.

00:47:00.614 --> 00:47:02.505
I come to, it's like 6 30 in the morning.

00:47:02.804 --> 00:47:26.914
I end up Waking up one of my buddies and I couldn't figure out how to get out of the house To leave to go to this girl's house and we're gonna try to go to this girl's house I convinced my buddy who's completely sober to come with me and he'll probably hopefully listen to this and he's a great dude and We ended up taking this trip To Lord knows where we were going.

00:47:26.925 --> 00:47:27.635
Cause I didn't.

00:47:27.675 --> 00:47:29.525
And I remember the sun's coming up.

00:47:29.525 --> 00:47:30.224
It's hot.

00:47:30.244 --> 00:47:30.844
It's humid.

00:47:30.844 --> 00:47:32.434
It's Houston, Texas.

00:47:32.505 --> 00:47:33.855
The birds are chirping.

00:47:34.125 --> 00:47:36.815
There's humidity on the grass.

00:47:37.195 --> 00:47:37.954
There's.

00:47:38.849 --> 00:47:55.280
This new housing development that I saw and I had a little bit of marijuana and I was like Let's go smoke weed in those brand new construction houses I've always loved houses and new construction and let's go smoke some weed in those new houses and my buddy's like How are we gonna get into those houses?

00:47:55.619 --> 00:48:02.929
And I was like just wait here and I'll get us in I climbed this like nine foot metal rod fence.

00:48:03.150 --> 00:48:10.789
The first time I get, it's so humid and, and wet from the morning dew that I slide down.

00:48:11.010 --> 00:48:13.460
So I do it again, slide down.

00:48:13.670 --> 00:48:14.650
Third time's a charm.

00:48:14.650 --> 00:48:15.340
I get up there.

00:48:15.730 --> 00:48:22.369
My right pant leg is caught on one of these iron metal rods at nine feet and I'm standing.

00:48:22.715 --> 00:48:25.585
Nine feet on this metal fence.

00:48:26.264 --> 00:48:37.635
My pant legs caught my genius brain thought if I could jump high enough, I would be able to jump off the fence and free my pant leg.

00:48:37.855 --> 00:48:43.014
Well, that caught it's true that it could have happened, but I didn't jump high enough.

00:48:43.445 --> 00:48:47.894
I didn't jump high enough and I fell straight down, put my arms out.

00:48:48.474 --> 00:48:50.414
I didn't know my left arm.

00:48:50.414 --> 00:48:51.315
I looked at my left arm.

00:48:51.315 --> 00:48:52.184
It's a parabola.

00:48:52.335 --> 00:48:53.625
I could see the white of my bone.

00:48:53.625 --> 00:48:53.940
You know?

00:48:54.130 --> 00:48:57.219
I didn't know my right arm was broken, so I go to pick myself up.

00:48:57.550 --> 00:49:00.980
My right arm crunches like a can.

00:49:01.650 --> 00:49:02.349
It's a Z.

00:49:02.349 --> 00:49:04.489
I break my wrist and a couple other spots in my arm.

00:49:05.139 --> 00:49:09.239
My buddy goes and hops a five, six foot wooden fence.

00:49:09.260 --> 00:49:09.670
Right next door.

00:49:10.855 --> 00:49:11.934
And I was so pissed.

00:49:12.474 --> 00:49:14.934
And at this point, I'm not really You've already tried two times.

00:49:15.255 --> 00:49:15.824
Yeah.

00:49:16.335 --> 00:49:19.545
And I'm not, I'm in pain, but not really because my adrenaline's going.

00:49:19.545 --> 00:49:20.875
I'm wasted still.

00:49:21.284 --> 00:49:24.434
Um, and then he calls my buddies.

00:49:24.695 --> 00:49:25.994
They put up a ladder.

00:49:26.105 --> 00:49:29.525
One of my buddies gives me a shirt and I make a little sling for my arms.

00:49:31.304 --> 00:49:32.385
They take me to my mom.

00:49:32.385 --> 00:49:33.835
I'm like, dude, take me to my mom.

00:49:34.025 --> 00:49:34.715
I need my mom.

00:49:34.780 --> 00:49:40.119
And I go home, I'm freaking out, my mom takes me to the hospital.

00:49:40.469 --> 00:49:45.050
I remember they didn't want to give me morphine, because they were like, you smell like a brewery.

00:49:45.090 --> 00:49:47.059
And I'm like, no, I haven't had anything to drink.

00:49:47.139 --> 00:49:50.840
So they give me the morphine, finally, and I kind of black out.

00:49:50.909 --> 00:49:54.914
I come to, my mom's like crying, there's a toxicology report.

00:49:55.565 --> 00:49:57.244
I'm in a hospital bed at this point.

00:49:57.554 --> 00:50:03.005
And then there's literature on teens and alcoholism and drug addiction.

00:50:03.005 --> 00:50:06.215
And that right there is like when the first seed was planted.

00:50:06.215 --> 00:50:20.344
And I think that's when my mom really knew that there was an issue and that kind of inspired and influenced a lot of the outpatient, uh, conversations that we had, and I went to teen and family in Houston and yeah, she was doing everything she could for you.

00:50:20.554 --> 00:50:21.394
Oh, yeah.

00:50:21.684 --> 00:50:22.494
She never stopped.

00:50:22.505 --> 00:50:23.614
She never gave up.

00:50:23.635 --> 00:50:23.925
Yeah.

00:50:24.005 --> 00:50:25.385
And that's why we're here today.

00:50:25.394 --> 00:50:30.775
And I'm so blessed to have the loving, unconditional love from and support from my family.

00:50:31.445 --> 00:50:32.195
I love it, man.

00:50:32.264 --> 00:50:32.554
Yeah.

00:50:32.614 --> 00:50:32.824
Yeah.

00:50:32.824 --> 00:50:33.614
I'm very grateful.

00:50:33.655 --> 00:50:37.525
And how did you, like, happen to land in Fort Collins?

00:50:37.554 --> 00:50:38.414
Like, what was that?

00:50:39.164 --> 00:50:40.385
So season?

00:50:41.525 --> 00:50:45.625
Yeah, that was the end of my drug and alcohol career.

00:50:46.074 --> 00:50:47.364
That was Right there, that moment?

00:50:47.454 --> 00:50:48.324
No, no, no.

00:50:48.324 --> 00:50:49.434
Oh, when you moved to Fort Collins.

00:50:49.445 --> 00:50:50.675
That was your fresh start.

00:50:50.875 --> 00:50:53.257
Well, I started off in a halfway house in Loveland.

00:50:53.257 --> 00:50:53.945
Fresh, fresh, fresh start.

00:50:54.005 --> 00:50:54.835
Okay, interesting.

00:50:54.925 --> 00:50:58.605
And I came here with like 36 bucks, a duffel bag, and a trash bag.

00:50:58.724 --> 00:51:00.815
And a suspended driver's license.

00:51:00.855 --> 00:51:02.085
From the state of Texas.

00:51:02.989 --> 00:51:05.610
They should have never gave me a driver's license, to be honest.

00:51:05.650 --> 00:51:06.789
Here in Colorado, you mean?

00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:11.210
Uh, probably that, too, cause No, but In the first place.

00:51:11.210 --> 00:51:11.554
In Texas.

00:51:11.554 --> 00:51:12.849
Right, you were never safe in Texas.

00:51:13.000 --> 00:51:19.264
Well, yeah, I didn't end up driving until I was 18, cause thank God my parents didn't buy into my Bullshit.

00:51:19.264 --> 00:51:20.195
Yeah, they knew you.

00:51:20.545 --> 00:51:21.605
I would have killed myself.

00:51:21.644 --> 00:51:23.514
I would have killed myself, I would have killed someone else.

00:51:23.804 --> 00:51:27.755
But what brought me here was the final straw that broke the camel's back.

00:51:27.755 --> 00:51:30.465
It was um, this is insane.

00:51:30.585 --> 00:51:36.844
So the day that I went to jail, so I went to jail.

00:51:37.300 --> 00:51:37.579
Right?

00:51:37.579 --> 00:51:39.280
For a public intoxication.

00:51:39.650 --> 00:51:40.110
How old are you?

00:51:40.590 --> 00:51:41.820
I was 21.

00:51:42.030 --> 00:51:44.110
So we're, we'll speed it up to 21.

00:51:44.809 --> 00:51:50.820
And um, I went to jail for a public intoxication the day that I was supposed to go to rehab.

00:51:51.039 --> 00:51:51.699
In Michigan.

00:51:51.699 --> 00:51:52.699
I already had a bed.

00:51:53.099 --> 00:51:57.300
I'd get wasted and talk to these people on the phone for hours just to appease my parents.

00:51:57.730 --> 00:51:59.590
And buy some time.

00:52:00.139 --> 00:52:02.820
And uh, the final day came.

00:52:02.900 --> 00:52:06.809
And I was like, Mom, Dad, let me go get drunk one last time.

00:52:07.440 --> 00:52:09.130
So I'm hanging out with a homeless dude.

00:52:10.420 --> 00:52:12.070
Drinking in downtown Houston.

00:52:12.090 --> 00:52:15.710
You don't really have any friends, hardly, Mark, cause you've been in the city for Oh, I burned all my bridges.

00:52:15.719 --> 00:52:17.400
Like I was a horrible human being.

00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:18.550
I wouldn't have been my friend.

00:52:18.909 --> 00:52:23.530
And I'm glad a lot of people cut me off and didn't continue to enable me.

00:52:23.619 --> 00:52:25.590
Cause that's what helped me reach that bottom.

00:52:25.590 --> 00:52:31.780
And when my parents let go of that and just gave it over to God and trusted that.

00:52:32.050 --> 00:52:33.550
Everything was going to be okay.

00:52:33.690 --> 00:52:35.550
That's when things started to change.

00:52:35.900 --> 00:52:43.940
And the moment that I was hanging out with that homeless guy, I was so lost in the sauce.

00:52:43.940 --> 00:52:46.320
I had no fucking clue what was going on.

00:52:46.840 --> 00:52:47.230
Right.

00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:49.960
I got arrested that night.

00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:59.295
With him, we're hanging out, he probably loved it because he needed a place to stay breakfast in the morning.

00:52:59.295 --> 00:53:08.050
That was like his go to routine, probably like a day in the life for him, you know, which I hope he's doing better.

00:53:08.050 --> 00:53:09.940
I hope he found what he needed to find.

00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:17.539
And, uh, yeah, it was crazy looking back and just even telling you about all this, it's like a bad story or a nightmare.

00:53:19.094 --> 00:53:22.574
I go to jail, I get out, six hours later I meet these guys in jail.

00:53:23.255 --> 00:53:26.925
We, um, plan to meet after and kinda swap some goods.

00:53:27.324 --> 00:53:35.744
So, six hours after getting out of jail, the day that I'm supposed to go to treatment in Michigan, everything's teed up, I've got my flight ready to go.

00:53:36.155 --> 00:53:38.135
I miss that, obviously, going to jail.

00:53:38.485 --> 00:53:40.784
Six hours out of being in jail.

00:53:41.659 --> 00:53:43.960
I end up with another charge.

00:53:43.969 --> 00:53:45.590
This charge isn't so light.

00:53:45.690 --> 00:53:47.599
It's a two to 20 year sentence.

00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:51.559
Cause it's a third time offense with controlled substances and other things involved.

00:53:52.710 --> 00:53:57.000
And at that time, uh, you're like, maybe I need to leave Texas.

00:53:57.269 --> 00:53:59.460
I, I didn't know what was going to happen.

00:53:59.460 --> 00:54:04.050
I had accepted my fate and I was like, I'm way too good looking to go to prison.

00:54:05.869 --> 00:54:06.769
I can't do this.

00:54:06.809 --> 00:54:07.760
You got a pretty mouth.

00:54:07.980 --> 00:54:09.159
Yeah, exactly.

00:54:09.159 --> 00:54:09.429
Dude.

00:54:09.429 --> 00:54:17.619
I didn't want to be with Bubba and I was with this guy and this guy, God bless his soul, a huge black dude.

00:54:17.809 --> 00:54:19.010
And he was super ripped.

00:54:19.010 --> 00:54:25.369
And I asked him the first day that I was there, I was like, this is a second entrance into Harris County.

00:54:25.369 --> 00:54:27.260
And I asked him why I was there.

00:54:27.719 --> 00:54:30.429
He killed his girlfriend and tried to kill himself.

00:54:30.690 --> 00:54:32.659
And that's the moment that I was like, I've.

00:54:32.974 --> 00:54:33.974
do not belong here.

00:54:33.974 --> 00:54:35.204
These are like criminals.

00:54:35.204 --> 00:54:37.215
These are hardened criminals.

00:54:37.215 --> 00:54:38.925
There was a lot of gang violence.

00:54:38.925 --> 00:54:43.135
Harris County is the second most violent, um, county jail in the nation.

00:54:43.855 --> 00:54:46.614
LA County is number one cause of gang violence.

00:54:47.094 --> 00:54:51.065
And in that moment I knew I had to do something different.

00:54:53.144 --> 00:54:55.405
I kind of got some sleep that night.

00:54:56.045 --> 00:55:01.784
They started calling my name on the intercom and this guy wakes up cause I'm not getting out of bed.

00:55:01.784 --> 00:55:02.965
I'm like finally falling asleep.

00:55:02.965 --> 00:55:03.934
I'm going to be here a while.

00:55:03.934 --> 00:55:05.025
I don't have to go.

00:55:05.025 --> 00:55:06.815
Um, That's my thought process, right?

00:55:06.815 --> 00:55:09.764
And I'm still in this like drug induced psychosis state of mind.

00:55:11.005 --> 00:55:14.684
He's like, you're going to talk to, you're going to your court case.

00:55:14.715 --> 00:55:18.065
And I was like, okay, I'm going to my court case.

00:55:18.125 --> 00:55:19.614
So I go to my court case.

00:55:19.934 --> 00:55:24.635
The DA let me go because he had called my dad.

00:55:24.684 --> 00:55:26.394
The previous DA got murdered.

00:55:26.954 --> 00:55:31.414
The new DA called my dad and said, what do you want us to do with your son?

00:55:32.144 --> 00:55:35.344
My dad was like, he's a good kid when he's not drinking and doing drugs.

00:55:36.034 --> 00:55:55.855
So they let me go straight to Michigan to go to a medium security rehab, did not pass go, did not collect 200, but I got to go to rehab and from rehab, I went to a really, um, cool, sober living at the time until they kicked me out for not doing some chores.

00:55:56.460 --> 00:56:00.090
But I've let go of that resentment, and I've forgiven you, if you're listening.

00:56:00.190 --> 00:56:01.969
That's here in Northern Colorado?

00:56:01.989 --> 00:56:05.530
That was in Loveland on 4th Street, and that's kind of what inspired How did that get synced up?

00:56:05.530 --> 00:56:10.559
There was just a sober living house there that had openings, and this rehab in Michigan found them?

00:56:10.829 --> 00:56:16.150
So the way it works, they already had a relationship with the coordinator at the treatment center.

00:56:16.159 --> 00:56:17.969
They released me to Loveland.

00:56:18.199 --> 00:56:20.679
And my parents, I wanted to go to California.

00:56:21.304 --> 00:56:23.764
And, uh, my parents were like, you're not going to California.

00:56:23.764 --> 00:56:24.605
There's too many drugs in California.

00:56:24.605 --> 00:56:26.855
Yeah, they're like, I want to go to Orange County.

00:56:26.905 --> 00:56:30.164
So I'm like daydreaming of palm trees on this bunk bed in treatment.

00:56:30.204 --> 00:56:34.704
They're like, you're not really a weed guy, even though you smoke weed, but Colorado's better than California.

00:56:34.715 --> 00:56:35.505
Absolutely.

00:56:35.945 --> 00:56:38.235
And best decision.

00:56:38.409 --> 00:56:46.800
Ever made they sent me to Loveland and thank you mom for not giving up on me and and not buying into my bullshit And it's like you didn't drink after that.

00:56:46.860 --> 00:56:48.699
No, I haven't drank my sobriety day.

00:56:48.699 --> 00:56:56.300
It's may 1st 2013 I haven't had a drink since and my life has freaking Exponentially exploded.

00:56:56.389 --> 00:56:56.840
For sure.

00:56:56.909 --> 00:57:02.469
And that's what's inspired my passion with Abundance, and I would have never met Gabrielle Judge.

00:57:03.170 --> 00:57:04.780
My, the love of my life.

00:57:04.860 --> 00:57:08.989
I love Gabrielle so much, and we just complement each other so well.

00:57:08.989 --> 00:57:15.159
And none of that would have been possible if, if that pain didn't turn into purpose, and we didn't see.

00:57:15.260 --> 00:57:15.519
Yeah.

00:57:16.019 --> 00:57:16.510
You know.

00:57:16.579 --> 00:57:17.300
For both of you.

00:57:17.550 --> 00:57:17.940
Yeah.

00:57:17.969 --> 00:57:24.909
Um, and we're gonna unfold some of this Abundance Foundation work Um, when we come back from a break, but I'm an old guy with a small bladder.

00:57:24.909 --> 00:57:26.039
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00:58:02.239 --> 00:58:04.699
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00:58:05.905 --> 00:58:13.755
Um, so when we departed, you were fresh into Loveland and freshly sober and with fresh hope.

00:58:14.215 --> 00:58:16.074
Um, do you remember?

00:58:16.500 --> 00:58:21.119
I feel like we met probably as soon as like 2015 or something like that.

00:58:21.599 --> 00:58:24.090
Yeah, it's, it's, it was early in my loco think tank days.

00:58:24.090 --> 00:58:29.960
That's when I was, I think it was 2015 going into 2016 and, yeah.

00:58:29.960 --> 00:58:33.739
I didn't think you like me at first'cause I would always like yell at you.

00:58:33.739 --> 00:58:35.389
You bras Well you were always like, loco noco guy.

00:58:35.719 --> 00:58:40.429
I didn't know like the no co loco and No, I liked you.

00:58:40.605 --> 00:58:41.570
I, I, I did.

00:58:41.750 --> 00:58:42.349
Um.

00:58:42.809 --> 00:58:45.789
You know, I would definitely say you came out a little strong at times.

00:58:45.889 --> 00:58:55.489
Uh, but I did, I think, I hope you felt that within like three, six months, you know, and much certainly after that.

00:58:55.489 --> 00:58:58.320
But yeah, you were, my first impression wasn't.

00:58:59.005 --> 00:59:01.155
As positive as it is with some other people.

00:59:02.474 --> 00:59:03.855
Or my second or my third.

00:59:04.135 --> 00:59:05.005
But now it's better.

00:59:05.005 --> 00:59:08.784
But by like what, after I saw the bus benches, I was like, he's my style.

00:59:09.684 --> 00:59:10.175
Now you get it.

00:59:11.155 --> 00:59:12.804
It wasn't because of the bus porn.

00:59:12.804 --> 00:59:13.025
Yeah.

00:59:14.155 --> 00:59:14.905
Well, it was.

00:59:15.215 --> 00:59:17.014
Well, and especially later as.

00:59:18.650 --> 00:59:26.010
You know, we've kind of been acquainted for a while since then, and you, you subbed for me back in the 2020, uh, Wild West Relay.

00:59:26.289 --> 00:59:26.860
Oh, yeah.

00:59:26.860 --> 00:59:31.519
When I hurt my calf, uh, and, you know, ran that Greeley in the freakin heat thing.

00:59:32.090 --> 01:00:07.804
But even through that time, and even, you know, as, even leading up to that time as the pressure to have, Politically acceptable speech come out of your mouth and only such things and there's certain things you can think and say and there's certain things that Appropriate people don't think and say, you know, I think you and I kind of vibed over that general notion Yeah during those seasons leading up not that I've got any desire to spread vulgarities or lies or things But I want to say what I want to say Yeah, you know, and I think both of you guys, it's a really significant thing.

01:00:07.804 --> 01:00:09.427
And that needs to be highlighted.

01:00:09.427 --> 01:00:12.230
That's, that's a really key component of America.

01:00:12.639 --> 01:00:18.219
You know, without the perceived threat on freedom of speech, uh, Trump wouldn't be our president.

01:00:18.570 --> 01:00:19.539
Absolutely.

01:00:20.030 --> 01:00:24.340
Um, and, or without, with freedom of speech, he would definitely be our president.

01:00:24.369 --> 01:00:25.079
Who knows?

01:00:25.510 --> 01:00:28.380
Like, depending on how you want to see the last few elections.

01:00:28.699 --> 01:00:28.800
Yeah.

01:00:30.050 --> 01:00:34.420
And we're going to get into the faith family politics topics, uh, here shortly.

01:00:34.420 --> 01:00:49.539
But before we do that, I do want to, um, dig into the abundance foundation chapter and maybe a little bit into your early career as well, Gabby and the, the seasons before Wix and like, what was college like for you?

01:00:49.570 --> 01:00:52.070
I assume you went to college, got a degree and stuff.

01:00:52.119 --> 01:00:53.190
She's super smart.

01:00:53.389 --> 01:00:56.639
So, um, and maybe we can shift actually back to you.

01:00:56.875 --> 01:00:58.635
for this chapter, Gabby.

01:00:58.954 --> 01:00:59.164
To wrap it up.

01:00:59.164 --> 01:01:05.775
To wrap up kind of that leading up to today and then we'll get into the Abundance Foundation chapter and then the closing segments.

01:01:05.894 --> 01:01:10.054
Yeah, so I, I graduated from Poudre High School in 2015.

01:01:10.054 --> 01:01:11.164
Yeah, 2015.

01:01:11.494 --> 01:01:13.514
I started at the University of Arizona.

01:01:13.545 --> 01:01:15.554
I went out of state for the first three semesters.

01:01:15.554 --> 01:01:16.248
Flagstaff, right?

01:01:16.510 --> 01:01:18.510
Uh, that one's Tucson, even worse.

01:01:18.929 --> 01:01:20.230
Northern Arizona University.

01:01:20.260 --> 01:01:20.820
Yeah, NAU.

01:01:20.820 --> 01:01:22.630
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:37.630
So, um, I went there because I, you know, my senior year of high school, I was doing a lot of partying with CSU and CSU guys just hanging out with guys that were way too old and, you know, things that just weren't safe and I was like, oh, I already did the CSU thing.

01:01:37.639 --> 01:01:38.690
Like, why would I be here?

01:01:38.989 --> 01:01:41.130
My family life was just so in crumbles.

01:01:41.130 --> 01:01:42.844
I was like, I need, like, two states for that.

01:01:43.005 --> 01:01:43.635
In front of us.

01:01:43.644 --> 01:01:45.664
Like I need to like get out of here.

01:01:45.664 --> 01:01:47.744
Yeah, and I wanted to be an alcoholic like low key.

01:01:47.744 --> 01:01:50.385
I didn't want to I didn't want anyone to see me.

01:01:50.385 --> 01:01:55.505
I just wanted to like do whatever I was doing and just still the stimulants as well Too.

01:01:55.554 --> 01:01:55.934
Yeah.

01:01:56.204 --> 01:01:57.074
Oh, yeah, molly.

01:01:57.114 --> 01:01:58.105
I used to sell molly.

01:01:58.164 --> 01:01:58.775
I used to be an r.

01:01:58.775 --> 01:02:01.250
a Selling Molly to dorms and stuff like that.

01:02:01.250 --> 01:02:01.750
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:02:01.750 --> 01:02:03.590
So I really liked all that stuff.

01:02:03.590 --> 01:02:05.050
I was a really bad Molly dealer.

01:02:05.059 --> 01:02:11.309
Cause I used to do all my Molly and share it with every girl that I loved and they wouldn't pay me and I'd be like, no, that's okay.

01:02:11.309 --> 01:02:11.949
It's fine.

01:02:12.110 --> 01:02:12.230
Yeah.

01:02:12.230 --> 01:02:12.739
It's all good.

01:02:13.139 --> 01:02:14.570
Um, so I was, yeah, I was a bad deal.

01:02:14.570 --> 01:02:15.809
A low profit, low margin.

01:02:15.900 --> 01:02:16.400
Yeah.

01:02:17.954 --> 01:02:22.224
Well, that's why everybody starts into dealing, you know, like you just want to smoke your weed for free.

01:02:22.235 --> 01:02:22.614
Yeah.

01:02:22.635 --> 01:02:27.525
So you buy an ounce instead of a quarter and then you sell three quarters and theoretically you smoke your weed for free.

01:02:27.655 --> 01:02:28.014
Yeah.

01:02:28.014 --> 01:02:30.164
And I was a huge EDM girl, like rave stuff.

01:02:30.175 --> 01:02:31.494
I had a bunch of Red Rocks and stuff.

01:02:31.545 --> 01:02:32.315
That was my whole thing.

01:02:32.324 --> 01:02:35.775
I used to spend all my money, all my time there racking up credit card debt.

01:02:36.820 --> 01:02:38.570
drugs and doing all that stuff.

01:02:38.570 --> 01:02:46.829
So I was doing that and, um, that's kind of my coming of age is like EDM shows like Red Rocks, um, fish.

01:02:46.860 --> 01:02:48.199
I used to go to fish every year.

01:02:49.039 --> 01:02:51.960
So just some crazy areas for like a 15 year old girl.

01:02:52.300 --> 01:02:53.230
I'm a dabbler.

01:02:53.619 --> 01:02:54.590
Like I've gone to fish shows.

01:02:54.590 --> 01:02:58.480
I've been to widespread and things and whatever, but like, I didn't.

01:02:58.545 --> 01:03:01.635
Dude, I'm a hunch, you know, it's weird music twice.

01:03:01.635 --> 01:03:06.775
I feel like the only way to enjoy that music is if you are on drugs.

01:03:06.784 --> 01:03:07.235
You have to.

01:03:07.235 --> 01:03:07.585
Yeah.

01:03:07.625 --> 01:03:10.494
In my opinion, you just have to, I mean, I've taken him in sobriety.

01:03:10.534 --> 01:03:11.914
He's got, we've gone sober and stuff.

01:03:11.914 --> 01:03:13.704
It's still fun, but it's, it's a lot.

01:03:14.269 --> 01:03:16.980
And, um, yeah, so I started at U of A.

01:03:16.980 --> 01:03:20.420
I was trying to double major with computer information systems and computer science.

01:03:20.420 --> 01:03:22.340
I just was trying to get the most bang for my buck.

01:03:22.349 --> 01:03:24.059
Computer science was really big back then.

01:03:24.300 --> 01:03:26.050
So 4ChadGBT could code for you.

01:03:26.079 --> 01:03:28.150
So I was like, I just really want to, like, make money.

01:03:28.570 --> 01:03:31.510
My mom stayed with my dad because of financial reasons.

01:03:31.510 --> 01:03:38.195
And so I, I learned this idea of if I'm not rich, I'm going to be Reliant to an abusive man.

01:03:38.534 --> 01:03:47.644
Yeah, so I was kind of running away from this like weird thing that absolutely needed a lot of therapy for sure and through school Um, I ruined it.

01:03:47.675 --> 01:04:01.244
I my grades were horrible I was having panic attacks from my drug use and I kept checking myself into hospitals and I would be like I think i'm dying and then they'd like put me on an ekg or whatever that thing's called and they're like No, you're having like a panic attack and I'd be like, Oh, okay.

01:04:01.315 --> 01:04:03.244
And you know, 800 later, it's just all the time.

01:04:03.244 --> 01:04:04.994
My mom was so pissed at me.

01:04:05.175 --> 01:04:07.704
So I eventually moved back home to Colorado state university.

01:04:07.704 --> 01:04:09.025
And that's where I graduated.

01:04:09.025 --> 01:04:10.795
I got a computer information systems degree.

01:04:11.394 --> 01:04:15.284
Uh, really cleaned it up cause I was living in the basement with my mom.

01:04:15.284 --> 01:04:18.324
So, cause she lives in old town, um, with my stepdad now.

01:04:18.375 --> 01:04:22.335
And, uh, they moved in together when I was, uh, in school or yeah, at U of A.

01:04:22.885 --> 01:04:23.710
And, um, yeah.

01:04:23.909 --> 01:04:28.969
Yeah, I tried to clean it up, and I got a scholarship to study abroad in Thailand my junior year.

01:04:28.969 --> 01:04:32.460
That was super exciting, and I was just, yeah, I was trying to clean it up.

01:04:32.889 --> 01:04:39.590
I really wanted a job in tech, so I got my first job in 2018, right before the Thanksgiving break of my senior year.

01:04:40.070 --> 01:04:42.460
So I started working at a company called Patronix.

01:04:42.469 --> 01:04:49.534
It's a big, big, uh, restaurant vendor for, uh, Um, think about like, this isn't their client specifically, but it's like the same shit.

01:04:49.534 --> 01:04:50.675
So with Starbucks, right?

01:04:50.675 --> 01:04:53.125
You have the Starbucks app and then the rewards program.

01:04:53.135 --> 01:04:54.625
And then that's what we built.

01:04:55.034 --> 01:05:00.905
Um, so I was working with like some big companies like Pete's coffee and, um, caribou and, and, and all that.

01:05:00.905 --> 01:05:02.974
And I was really implementing these systems within their framework.

01:05:02.974 --> 01:05:04.344
Yeah.

01:05:04.344 --> 01:05:06.364
And then I was basically like climbing the corporate ladder.

01:05:06.364 --> 01:05:06.925
Pretty good.

01:05:06.925 --> 01:05:08.525
I mean, I was getting a lot of visibility.

01:05:08.554 --> 01:05:10.414
It's not like a huge, huge tech company.

01:05:10.764 --> 01:05:12.570
Um, and you're a woman in a tuxedo.

01:05:12.960 --> 01:05:15.389
Yeah, there was that was we were talking about the tech bro is right.

01:05:15.389 --> 01:05:17.329
Yeah, and I was like the only girl Yeah, right.

01:05:17.530 --> 01:05:21.539
So there and I was used to that diversity promotion or you just worked harder.

01:05:22.030 --> 01:05:36.905
I think both Right, I think both like because my manager she was my manager at that time But she was she had gone through the same program the year before and she found me at a career for at CSU and she saw That I had my CIS Degree, like little on my name tag.

01:05:36.905 --> 01:05:38.614
And she, I remember she pointed at me too.

01:05:38.644 --> 01:05:41.045
My, then my, then get boss.

01:05:41.045 --> 01:05:41.224
Yeah.

01:05:41.224 --> 01:05:41.974
She was like, geter.

01:05:42.304 --> 01:05:43.534
So I think there was a little bit of that, right?

01:05:43.565 --> 01:05:46.565
'cause it was 2018, so that was like, for sure a big, a big deal.

01:05:46.565 --> 01:05:47.224
And I was, oh yeah.

01:05:47.224 --> 01:05:49.474
Well, and that was right in the heart of the Me too.

01:05:49.594 --> 01:05:49.864
Yep.

01:05:50.215 --> 01:05:50.545
Yep.

01:05:50.545 --> 01:05:53.965
So that definitely worked in my favorite, the job market was super great in that year too.

01:05:53.965 --> 01:05:55.469
How was it, by the way, were you, because you're.

01:05:56.010 --> 01:05:57.059
Pretty young thing.

01:05:57.239 --> 01:06:00.329
Was there Me too stuff going on in the tech bro world when you got there.

01:06:00.719 --> 01:06:01.949
I didn't get any of that.

01:06:02.039 --> 01:06:02.309
Okay.

01:06:02.460 --> 01:06:03.329
Yeah, I'm good.

01:06:03.599 --> 01:06:03.840
Yeah.

01:06:03.840 --> 01:06:04.170
I'm glad.

01:06:04.949 --> 01:06:05.625
Yeah, no, just curious.

01:06:05.639 --> 01:06:06.425
I was still left out.

01:06:06.614 --> 01:06:06.905
Yeah.

01:06:07.264 --> 01:06:08.264
I felt super left out.

01:06:08.429 --> 01:06:10.980
Wish I would've had a little more sexual harassment during my corporate career.

01:06:10.980 --> 01:06:11.760
Yeah, it's offensive.

01:06:12.269 --> 01:06:18.059
The burnout and the, uh, the implications that if I didn't party with people, uh, to get ahead, that was.

01:06:18.360 --> 01:06:21.590
I felt that a little bit more at Wix, and I'll just say that.

01:06:21.590 --> 01:06:26.239
There was a little bit of that, but um, I followed up with HR and did all the things you're supposed to.

01:06:26.239 --> 01:06:28.150
But kind of towards the end, because I was like, what am I going to do?

01:06:28.179 --> 01:06:38.625
Just like, what I felt is that they were kind of more of a fraternity in the way that they hung out, which is like, cool, but it's um I don't know why I needed to get asked out every time I went into the office.

01:06:38.625 --> 01:06:40.025
It was just kind of like, it's 10 a.

01:06:40.025 --> 01:06:40.394
m.

01:06:40.405 --> 01:06:42.264
Like, I don't want to grab coffee after this.

01:06:42.264 --> 01:06:42.795
You know what I mean?

01:06:42.795 --> 01:06:43.465
And like, I'm cool.

01:06:43.474 --> 01:06:44.324
Like I'm flattered.

01:06:44.324 --> 01:06:50.505
It's not like I'm like anti that stuff, but it was a little distracting, you know, or like every time, okay, this is weird.

01:06:50.954 --> 01:06:53.815
So I got a little bit of that at the bigger tech companies for sure.

01:06:53.815 --> 01:06:55.434
But, um, the first one, no.

01:06:55.474 --> 01:06:55.824
And then.

01:06:56.235 --> 01:07:00.304
Yeah, I was climbing the corporate ladder and I was doing all the things and then, you know, it was a really rough market.

01:07:00.304 --> 01:07:02.425
I mean, 2020 to 2022 is rough.

01:07:02.425 --> 01:07:06.514
And so I thought I was gonna stay at that company forever and retire there.

01:07:06.574 --> 01:07:12.315
I was still kind of in that dream job propaganda that millennials have gone through and I was like, no, this is it.

01:07:12.324 --> 01:07:15.554
And then I got a concussion, uh, 2020.

01:07:16.505 --> 01:07:17.835
One, I think.

01:07:17.934 --> 01:07:18.184
Okay.

01:07:18.215 --> 01:07:20.364
And I couldn't work for the first time ever in my life.

01:07:20.364 --> 01:07:30.655
I like, that was, I had to Can I ask how you got the lamest story ever, I'm not It's the lamest, it's not as cool as his I thought she was joking when she told me this story.

01:07:31.324 --> 01:07:34.204
Yeah, because we were together and I was like, no, this is like a whole thing.

01:07:34.204 --> 01:07:35.155
We weren't living together yet.

01:07:35.534 --> 01:07:44.625
Um, I was in Cherry Creek, that's where I was living at the time, and I was in a high rise, and it was uh, uh, April, It was 420 actually, the morning of 420.

01:07:45.065 --> 01:07:47.855
Uh, I was grabbing some Starbucks at like 6am.

01:07:47.864 --> 01:07:51.614
There was like a weird sheet of ice everywhere, which is kind of weird for April.

01:07:52.065 --> 01:07:54.715
And so the apartments didn't, uh, ice it or anything.

01:07:54.715 --> 01:07:58.664
And I just literally, like, my head's here, my feet are here, and I just go, whoop.

01:07:58.664 --> 01:08:04.644
That's it, on the ice, and I couldn't see, I couldn't, you know, I was pretty Somebody find you and had to get help.

01:08:05.224 --> 01:08:05.514
Yeah.

01:08:05.514 --> 01:08:06.474
Someone found me.

01:08:06.474 --> 01:08:09.965
And then I was worried about her stepping on my AirPods the whole time.

01:08:09.965 --> 01:08:12.795
And then I tried to say like, you're stepping on my, and I couldn't talk.

01:08:13.264 --> 01:08:14.324
And I was like, it's rough.

01:08:14.324 --> 01:08:15.405
And I could only see out of pinholes.

01:08:15.885 --> 01:08:18.095
And I remember like fighting the urge to puke.

01:08:18.095 --> 01:08:19.314
And then I just like went down.

01:08:19.795 --> 01:08:27.364
Um, so anyways, like kind of anticlimactic, but the part that was climactic about it was like, it was the first time in my entire life where.

01:08:27.824 --> 01:08:28.534
I wasn't working.

01:08:28.654 --> 01:08:28.895
Yeah.

01:08:29.085 --> 01:08:34.255
I had so many jobs as a kid, like so many part time jobs to hit 40 hours while still at work.

01:08:34.274 --> 01:08:35.875
Just always doing shit school.

01:08:35.875 --> 01:08:35.935
Yeah.

01:08:36.145 --> 01:08:36.515
Yeah.

01:08:36.515 --> 01:08:38.654
And that's where anti worker robots came out of.

01:08:38.654 --> 01:08:43.034
Cause I was like, what do I actually want to do now that I'm not staring at my screen during the pandemic?

01:08:43.034 --> 01:08:45.244
And it was like, Oh yeah, I think I want like a personal brand.

01:08:45.649 --> 01:08:45.899
Yeah.

01:08:46.000 --> 01:08:48.300
Yeah, I think I want to, I think I want to try the social media stuff out.

01:08:48.659 --> 01:08:55.640
And I had been drop shipping and side hustling all different types of things as a kid and in college and in, you know, some legal, some not, of course.

01:08:56.029 --> 01:09:01.680
And, um, you know, now that I've, I've really grown out of that and, and been able to like really harness all of this together.

01:09:02.119 --> 01:09:07.750
Um, I think staying sober and making sure that I just have a good conscious, it all works out.

01:09:07.760 --> 01:09:09.819
And so that's where the social media stuff came out.

01:09:09.979 --> 01:09:10.300
Yeah.

01:09:10.680 --> 01:09:10.979
Yeah.

01:09:11.130 --> 01:09:11.939
That's really interesting.

01:09:12.600 --> 01:09:31.185
Um, If you had, like, advice for, for young graduating from college women, especially in the world right now, I'm sure you do all that all the time, but like, if you're going to boil it down to one or two things that are kind of universally applicable.

01:09:32.064 --> 01:09:39.244
Yeah, if you're like obsessing about that one weird thing in your head, and it's like too scary, and you kind of think about it after work, or you think about it during work.

01:09:39.715 --> 01:09:40.524
Like just do it.

01:09:40.555 --> 01:09:50.154
It's that that's something there, whether, whatever you believe in, I believe in God, but whatever it is, like, that's, there's something telling you that's possible if you can think it, it's possible.

01:09:50.164 --> 01:09:52.835
So, um, I think that's really important.

01:09:53.244 --> 01:09:55.734
Um, and like trusting yourself, I think is important too.

01:09:55.734 --> 01:09:59.154
I think that young people right now are very indoctrinated to think a specific way.

01:09:59.524 --> 01:10:02.515
Um, I don't think that it's beneficial in every case.

01:10:02.534 --> 01:10:06.305
I don't think that you, you need to get what you want through a victim mentality.

01:10:06.595 --> 01:10:17.199
And I think that's what a lot of young folks are taught right now is like, You're either a colonizer or the colonized and, uh, this divide and Yeah, that victim mentality is definitely not productive for anybody.

01:10:17.210 --> 01:10:18.720
For anyone, and no one wants to listen to it.

01:10:18.739 --> 01:10:20.630
And also, it doesn't benefit you.

01:10:20.640 --> 01:10:25.220
Like, just thinking about some belief systems that I think we're encouraged to think as young people right now.

01:10:25.699 --> 01:10:27.460
Who does it even benefit even believing it?

01:10:27.460 --> 01:10:27.550
Right.

01:10:27.550 --> 01:10:28.579
So even if it is true.

01:10:29.180 --> 01:10:29.449
Right?

01:10:29.479 --> 01:10:30.859
Like, let's just move on.

01:10:30.930 --> 01:10:39.640
That's been a beautiful joy of most of my life is that what seemed like the worst things to happen to me were like the opening page for a new better chapter.

01:10:39.640 --> 01:10:40.199
Yeah.

01:10:40.479 --> 01:10:40.569
Yeah.

01:10:40.729 --> 01:10:45.010
Um, and for both of you guys, I've heard a lot of that kind of content already here too.

01:10:45.119 --> 01:10:45.369
Yeah.

01:10:45.800 --> 01:10:55.064
Um, I'm going to shift back to you, Matthew, and the Abundance Foundation, and like, even maybe unfold a story of how you came to be acquainted with the Abundance Foundation.

01:10:55.645 --> 01:11:07.135
Like that wasn't the sober living environment that you came to when you moved to town, but you somehow met Brian through circles or Otherwise supporting talk to me about that.

01:11:07.324 --> 01:11:18.345
Yeah inception moment two people that have been really inspirational and influential and impactful in my life through And that's how I met Brian.

01:11:18.755 --> 01:11:20.675
And that's also how I met Gab.

01:11:20.975 --> 01:11:22.835
Is through a good friend of mine, Tyler.

01:11:22.895 --> 01:11:26.225
That's Gabrielle's sister's boyfriend.

01:11:26.265 --> 01:11:27.295
He was one of my best friends.

01:11:27.295 --> 01:11:27.994
He still is.

01:11:28.324 --> 01:11:30.795
But we were a lot closer when he lived here.

01:11:31.125 --> 01:11:34.904
And he came here from California and he was living at Brian's house.

01:11:35.425 --> 01:11:37.904
And at this point I had a little bit of sobriety under my belt.

01:11:38.395 --> 01:11:40.295
He was just getting into sobriety.

01:11:40.795 --> 01:11:40.835
Tyler.

01:11:41.534 --> 01:12:28.449
Yeah, Tyler was, and we started hanging out, and it's so funny, I kept seeing him around town, I saw him at the bar, and I'd go to the bar, um, just to hang out, and I actually worked at the Yeti and Rec Room for a while, in sobriety, I had like five different jobs until I got into real estate, um, And I met him, and I saw him, and I kept seeing him in my life, and we became really good friends, and he lived with Brian, and that's how I met Brian, and we were really on to this Abundance Mantra, and Brian was working in IOP, and I think he was working with the institution out of Boulder, and he was doing, yeah, sober living stuff, and Yeah, and really just seeing him in a better way, wondering why there was so much re Yep.

01:12:28.789 --> 01:12:30.979
Uh, I don't remember, I don't know what the term is.

01:12:30.979 --> 01:12:32.430
Relapsing.

01:12:32.460 --> 01:12:43.295
Relapsing We met through Tyler and, and I was getting into real estate at that time and he was doing that.

01:12:43.295 --> 01:12:49.965
And a few years passed and it was during COVID when he reached out to me and he's like, Hey, I've got some opportunities that came up.

01:12:50.265 --> 01:12:52.225
I want to start looking into sober livings.

01:12:52.225 --> 01:12:53.694
And I was like, that's awesome.

01:12:53.755 --> 01:12:55.250
I'm my heart's in it.

01:12:55.250 --> 01:12:55.545
Yeah.

01:12:55.545 --> 01:12:56.774
He had some grant funding to help.

01:12:56.975 --> 01:12:59.614
Yes, and that was what kick started everything.

01:12:59.614 --> 01:13:23.470
He came back from Denver And then the first house that we got was a flip that I was going to be doing And it it wasn't the best model of home to use But it was the only thing that we had at the time because we couldn't find anyone that believed in our vision enough at that moment Um, and that was a three bed two bath house That we converted into a women's house and and yeah That's the first house.

01:13:23.470 --> 01:13:25.460
That's our anchor location here in Fort Collins.

01:13:25.460 --> 01:13:31.869
And then shortly after that, we picked up a men's house right down the road and we had a hundred percent financing on that.

01:13:32.324 --> 01:13:36.835
And then we're actually tying up a third, um, deal in Loveland.

01:13:36.835 --> 01:13:41.604
It will be our anchor location in Loveland, and then we'll be expanding to Greeley.

01:13:41.994 --> 01:13:51.204
So it's just kind of taken off exponentially in, in the rewards and dividends are very profitable financially because we have a profit business in a nonprofit business.

01:13:51.244 --> 01:13:53.824
I was going to say, so like the, the, the nonprofit can.

01:13:53.925 --> 01:13:56.845
paid rent to the real estate ownership company.

01:13:56.914 --> 01:13:57.385
Yeah.

01:13:57.385 --> 01:14:01.125
And then we can pay back our investors and they get a great return.

01:14:01.135 --> 01:14:06.725
So they're getting financial dividends and spiritual dividends knowing they're making a difference in the community.

01:14:06.765 --> 01:14:06.965
Yeah.

01:14:06.965 --> 01:14:07.305
Yeah.

01:14:07.524 --> 01:14:08.435
That's really interesting.

01:14:08.805 --> 01:14:15.314
And are the people that live in these sober living houses, are they sponsored in some way or is they, are they paying rent?

01:14:15.314 --> 01:14:17.515
They're trying to get, it's like a halfway house almost.

01:14:17.524 --> 01:14:17.914
We have.

01:14:17.914 --> 01:14:18.564
Right.

01:14:18.654 --> 01:14:24.305
But better, because we have sober coaches assigned to every tenant that's in the property.

01:14:24.305 --> 01:14:28.015
And sober activities as well, because there's like a big club too, right?

01:14:28.015 --> 01:14:30.305
That goes to hockey games or different things.

01:14:30.704 --> 01:14:32.085
There's community requirements in it.

01:14:32.704 --> 01:14:33.345
It's great.

01:14:33.465 --> 01:14:34.875
It's the best program.

01:14:34.875 --> 01:14:41.585
There's a lot of great sober livings in Northern Colorado, but I think abundance is the cream of the crop.

01:14:41.585 --> 01:14:42.265
Doing it more better.

01:14:42.635 --> 01:14:43.225
Yeah.

01:14:43.545 --> 01:14:52.465
The sober coaching, it bridges the gap that you see in traditional treatment to transitioning and integrating into society.

01:14:52.574 --> 01:15:03.505
Well, I think living in a neighborhood, in a home that can be a long term situation, Paint your room even if you want to, you know, it's not like, well, maybe not that, but No, we run it tight.

01:15:03.505 --> 01:15:06.324
It's a tight ship, but we want to help people that want to help themselves.

01:15:06.324 --> 01:15:09.725
And we do have a lot of freedom and flexibility and other aspects.

01:15:09.935 --> 01:15:12.784
And we inspire people to go through the program and get their own.

01:15:13.034 --> 01:15:14.984
But the big thing is you're not like in a big treatment center.

01:15:15.145 --> 01:15:15.534
No.

01:15:15.545 --> 01:15:17.074
Right, you're like in community.

01:15:17.074 --> 01:15:18.664
That's the point I was trying to make.

01:15:19.074 --> 01:15:20.274
Yeah, that's a great point.

01:15:20.274 --> 01:15:24.704
Yeah, this is helping people that are coming out of treatment that have already detoxed because we don't touch that.

01:15:24.704 --> 01:15:26.005
We not yet.

01:15:26.005 --> 01:15:27.375
You're already sober when we get you.

01:15:27.444 --> 01:15:29.274
Yeah, you're already sober when we get you.

01:15:29.295 --> 01:15:31.395
And what happens if they relapse while they're with you?

01:15:31.395 --> 01:15:32.064
Do they have to leave?

01:15:32.265 --> 01:15:33.435
They have to leave.

01:15:35.064 --> 01:15:40.310
Yeah, I mean, you can't risk it corrupting the other five people that live in the house or those three people.

01:15:40.310 --> 01:15:40.887
Yeah, yeah.

01:15:40.887 --> 01:15:41.176
Interesting.

01:15:41.176 --> 01:15:41.755
Mm hmm.

01:15:43.194 --> 01:15:45.104
And a lot of, a lot of places won't do that.

01:15:45.885 --> 01:15:47.324
A lot of places are very lenient.

01:15:47.385 --> 01:15:47.925
Really?

01:15:47.935 --> 01:15:48.314
Yeah.

01:15:48.314 --> 01:15:48.725
Yeah?

01:15:48.774 --> 01:15:49.085
Yeah.

01:15:49.194 --> 01:15:53.854
Well, and I think that's, uh, you know, that's the incentive of dollars, right?

01:15:53.864 --> 01:15:56.045
Like, somebody's paying over a month that they're there.

01:15:56.045 --> 01:16:02.734
And, yeah, there's, uh, you know, the, even the whole We could talk about the whole insurance system, probably you seem capable of that.

01:16:03.135 --> 01:16:10.744
Um, but unless we want to have another three hour podcast, we should, uh, uh, move into our closing segments.

01:16:11.375 --> 01:16:12.595
Is it already three hours?

01:16:12.654 --> 01:16:20.675
No, we're, we're like an hour and 20 right now or something, but we still have a lot of stuff to touch on.

01:16:20.744 --> 01:16:27.104
And, uh, so, um, we mandatory topics are faith, family, and politics.

01:16:27.484 --> 01:16:29.324
And obviously we've brushed on family.

01:16:29.555 --> 01:16:31.204
a fair bit with both of you.

01:16:31.604 --> 01:16:37.595
Um, to me, you seem like your family already, even though, uh, you know, it's time to get a ring, mister.

01:16:38.055 --> 01:16:41.454
Um, but, uh, like, I'm gonna get you real estate.

01:16:42.085 --> 01:16:43.085
Real estate is the ring.

01:16:43.085 --> 01:16:47.694
Oh, You can get those little silicone things.

01:16:47.694 --> 01:16:48.391
Yeah, there you go.

01:16:48.391 --> 01:16:51.645
Yeah, because then the cash flow will pay for a really nice ring down the line.

01:16:51.704 --> 01:16:52.114
Right.

01:16:52.125 --> 01:16:52.404
Oh, thank you.

01:16:52.404 --> 01:16:53.784
A 10th anniversary kind of thing.

01:16:53.824 --> 01:16:54.215
Yeah.

01:16:56.324 --> 01:17:01.750
If you could show me a ring that's gonna appreciate, like, real estate, Colorado, that I'll get you a rig.

01:17:05.539 --> 01:17:20.539
Um, so I guess let's just start there like both of you have had kind of, you know, some, some brilliant examples of, of love and family and a lot of examples of, of brokenness, right?

01:17:20.569 --> 01:17:23.020
In persons and relationships and stuff.

01:17:23.510 --> 01:17:31.345
How do you like, I guess it's the cornerstone is for you guys, especially as, as sobriety Right?

01:17:31.435 --> 01:17:42.954
And, and, trust, uh, things like that, respect, that's a foundation, and, and love, and understanding, and, yeah, I think, um, I think we do a really good job at that.

01:17:44.664 --> 01:17:56.875
Yeah, I mean, especially, uh, dating someone like Matthew, his, his schedule's insane, and I think, um, it takes a specific person to be able to handle that, and there is a lot of respect and patience that needs to be done, right?

01:17:56.875 --> 01:17:59.545
Cause I could sit there and bitch about him.

01:18:00.050 --> 01:18:08.390
You know on the phone for six hours a day or on the phone before we're trying to do something or whatever But it's like that is really like what I'm signing up for right?

01:18:08.390 --> 01:18:23.859
And so I made my peace with that long time ago like when I first met him It was just like can you handle that like can you handle yeah, you know making decisions by yourself and like not having You know, like if he is on the phone for that long, you know, like, can, are you happy doing that?

01:18:23.859 --> 01:18:25.199
And I absolutely am.

01:18:25.199 --> 01:18:27.329
But I know that it takes a different type of person.

01:18:27.699 --> 01:18:33.350
And I think with success in relationships, there's a few categories that kind of make you fall.

01:18:33.640 --> 01:18:40.170
And I think one of them is like when, when the two people in the partnership try to compete, that's one where I see it doesn't work too often either.

01:18:40.170 --> 01:18:46.510
And I think a lot of women right now at this, uh, I think feminism is great, but I think it's gone a little too crazy where it's like, I, I should be the breadwinner.

01:18:46.510 --> 01:18:47.270
I should be the CEO.

01:18:47.380 --> 01:18:51.755
I should, Make more than a man and you can, and that's cool if you want to do it.

01:18:51.755 --> 01:18:55.515
But like, I think it indoctrinated women to be like, well, I need to out earn him.

01:18:55.814 --> 01:18:57.885
And men aren't even trying to compete with us.

01:18:57.885 --> 01:19:02.085
Like, it doesn't even matter to you guys, like how much we make.

01:19:02.085 --> 01:19:03.625
And I think women don't really understand that.

01:19:03.625 --> 01:19:09.095
So it's like, when I started to really like, kind of surrender to this, like, we're not in competition, that helped me.

01:19:09.135 --> 01:19:15.659
And then, you know, I think, um, another thing too, is like, You know, work is a big part of our life.

01:19:15.659 --> 01:19:19.520
So we need space to be able to vent about that season when you can make hay.

01:19:19.574 --> 01:19:26.034
You have 50 hour weeks in you still, you know, I'm, I'm more of a 35 hour a week guy.

01:19:26.034 --> 01:19:28.034
And I think a lot of lazy boy jobs.

01:19:28.085 --> 01:19:28.564
Yeah.

01:19:28.564 --> 01:19:30.694
And I think a lot of partnerships can't respect that either.

01:19:30.704 --> 01:19:35.595
Sometimes, like, I think one person, sometimes we'll see the other person getting really into work, they want to vent.

01:19:35.625 --> 01:19:38.395
And then that person will be like, well, it seems like this isn't good for you.

01:19:38.784 --> 01:19:41.805
And you don't need, you can't hear that when you're in the thick of it.

01:19:41.805 --> 01:19:43.255
You need encouragement.

01:19:43.255 --> 01:19:44.975
I think we do a really good job of that too.

01:19:45.289 --> 01:19:53.800
So every like pitfall that I really see with like two people that are both own businesses or two people that are both successful, I think we're navigating pretty well.

01:19:54.180 --> 01:19:56.949
Um, but yeah, it kind of goes back to respect and just trusting each other.

01:19:56.949 --> 01:20:02.029
And I think him and I both have made a huge commitment to our own relationship this year.

01:20:02.069 --> 01:20:07.090
Matt went through, uh, quite a, a journey in the last like three years and it's been cool to see him really like.

01:20:07.515 --> 01:20:09.595
Grow into what's important to him as a man.

01:20:09.635 --> 01:20:11.274
That's been really beautiful to see in his 30s.

01:20:11.545 --> 01:20:12.585
I like that for sure.

01:20:12.585 --> 01:20:29.045
I I'm reminded of a I think that's a line from my marriage vow is actually where the pastor was like, you know You can you can think about a relationship a marriage as a 50 50 kind of thing And that's totally the wrong way to think about it.

01:20:29.045 --> 01:20:43.220
It's more like a hundred hundred Yeah, you know and if you keep your focus on your shared You visions, your shared goals, your shared dreams, you know, how you're pushing toward that is, is In your way.

01:20:43.399 --> 01:20:43.640
Mm-Hmm.

01:20:43.939 --> 01:20:46.850
you know, and, uh, so I think that's really neat.

01:20:47.180 --> 01:20:47.479
Yeah.

01:20:47.479 --> 01:20:50.539
We really get to create, uh, life by design.

01:20:50.539 --> 01:20:53.630
We've broken the chains of Yeah.

01:20:53.659 --> 01:20:59.329
The, the generational traumas, and we get to lay a new foundation and pave a new pathway for our kids.

01:20:59.420 --> 01:20:59.659
Yeah.

01:20:59.720 --> 01:21:00.560
When that time comes.

01:21:00.560 --> 01:21:02.180
Right now we have four french bulldogs.

01:21:02.420 --> 01:21:05.090
We actually have one French bulldog that's still available.

01:21:05.404 --> 01:21:07.864
If no one claims him, we're going to have to put him down.

01:21:08.095 --> 01:21:08.314
He's joking.

01:21:10.324 --> 01:21:20.034
Yeah, that was a, that was, that was your, that was your relationship trauma this last 12 months, I can tell is, uh, didn't you have like a dozen bulldog puppies or something?

01:21:20.585 --> 01:21:21.725
That was insanity.

01:21:21.725 --> 01:21:22.564
But it was so cool.

01:21:22.635 --> 01:21:25.295
That was, I think that's the first time we've ever really argued.

01:21:25.395 --> 01:21:34.385
But it, it, it pushes you and it tests you and it's, you see, you find out what you're made of when you're operating on little to no sleep because you're waking up every two hours to latch the puppies.

01:21:34.385 --> 01:21:35.505
Those dogs shouldn't exist.

01:21:35.505 --> 01:21:35.875
I love them.

01:21:35.875 --> 01:21:37.114
They're my favorite dogs.

01:21:37.164 --> 01:21:39.805
They're number one, but yeah, they shouldn't be.

01:21:39.845 --> 01:21:41.314
Yeah, Darwin should have taken care of that by now.

01:21:41.314 --> 01:21:42.104
Yeah.

01:21:42.784 --> 01:21:44.534
Darwin tries every time they're born.

01:21:45.034 --> 01:21:46.274
It's hard to keep them alive.

01:21:46.734 --> 01:21:46.914
Oh, dang.

01:21:47.095 --> 01:21:51.055
It sucks, but, no, it was really beautiful, but it was definitely like baby practice for sure.

01:21:51.055 --> 01:21:52.454
A little, little boot camp.

01:21:52.685 --> 01:21:58.444
Do, uh, do either of you guys want to give a shout out to, um, Mom?

01:21:58.704 --> 01:22:03.505
Uh, sister, stepdad, any special family members that He's been shouting out his mom.

01:22:03.734 --> 01:22:05.484
I love my mom so much.

01:22:05.515 --> 01:22:07.074
You're my favorite person on the planet.

01:22:07.074 --> 01:22:08.164
Dad, I love you too.

01:22:08.185 --> 01:22:10.055
I love all my lovely aunts.

01:22:10.664 --> 01:22:13.095
Yeah, I'm really blessed to have a great family.

01:22:13.095 --> 01:22:14.664
My mom's one of 16 kids.

01:22:14.664 --> 01:22:15.574
And my brother's amazing.

01:22:15.574 --> 01:22:16.784
Your mom's one of 16?

01:22:16.805 --> 01:22:17.435
It's insane.

01:22:17.524 --> 01:22:18.045
Oh, dude.

01:22:18.435 --> 01:22:19.154
It's insane.

01:22:19.154 --> 01:22:21.904
Irish Baptists.

01:22:21.904 --> 01:22:22.382
Irish Baptists?

01:22:22.382 --> 01:22:22.622
Yeah.

01:22:22.622 --> 01:22:25.252
Oh, that's a, that's a different category than I've heard before.

01:22:25.252 --> 01:22:29.854
I mean, it seems like they were competing with the local Irish Catholics or something, probably.

01:22:29.904 --> 01:22:31.015
And probably the Mormons.

01:22:32.005 --> 01:22:32.034
Right.

01:22:33.805 --> 01:22:35.345
Uh, same question for you, Gabby.

01:22:35.395 --> 01:22:36.935
Uh, I want to shout out my little sister.

01:22:36.944 --> 01:22:38.064
Joey's the best.

01:22:38.104 --> 01:22:39.305
I love being an older sister.

01:22:39.305 --> 01:22:40.795
It's my favorite role ever.

01:22:40.824 --> 01:22:42.574
And, uh, my mom, my mom's awesome.

01:22:42.574 --> 01:22:45.250
She, uh, has done so much for the two of us.

01:22:45.609 --> 01:22:54.520
And I think the pain and the turmoil that she got to experience allowed my sister and I to really not repeat the cycle is kind of what he was saying earlier.

01:22:54.520 --> 01:22:56.829
And it's been galvanized against that.

01:22:56.829 --> 01:22:58.239
Yeah, it all happens for a reason.

01:22:58.670 --> 01:22:58.979
Yeah.

01:22:58.979 --> 01:22:59.659
Yeah.

01:22:59.659 --> 01:23:04.189
Um, faith, politics.

01:23:04.369 --> 01:23:09.550
Let's close with politics on the day after November 5th, 2024.

01:23:10.300 --> 01:23:13.149
Um, have you been really raised in a faithful household?

01:23:15.114 --> 01:23:20.914
I was raised Catholic, actually, and I never got confirmed because I had too many questions when I was like 13.

01:23:21.375 --> 01:23:25.675
Um, and I was like, this is a really big, if this is such a big decision, like, I don't know, you know, at 13.

01:23:26.020 --> 01:23:36.130
Um, I never, yeah, and I never, I never had a bad, a lot of people have, who have left the Catholic church from being a kid have experienced some type of like trauma.

01:23:36.170 --> 01:23:37.899
Like I never had anything bad happen.

01:23:37.899 --> 01:23:39.587
You didn't get whacked with a ruler by the demons or nothing like that?

01:23:39.587 --> 01:23:40.939
No, I had Sunday school at St.

01:23:40.939 --> 01:23:44.189
Joe's over here on Mountain and stuff, but I, uh, yeah, it was nothing bad.

01:23:44.189 --> 01:23:46.850
I just had a lot of questions like, who am I praying to when I pray?

01:23:46.850 --> 01:23:49.989
And I think they were very distracting in class.

01:23:50.159 --> 01:23:50.390
Right, right.

01:23:50.390 --> 01:23:50.409
Um.

01:23:51.449 --> 01:23:52.189
So, yeah.

01:23:52.189 --> 01:23:59.899
Well, I think, I think there's an argument to be made that there is some vagueness in the Catholic faith about, you know, am I praying to Jesus?

01:23:59.899 --> 01:24:01.670
Am I praying to the priest?

01:24:01.789 --> 01:24:02.029
Yeah.

01:24:02.029 --> 01:24:04.020
You know, where's the Virgin Mary fit in?

01:24:04.079 --> 01:24:10.329
Yeah, 13 year old mind, you're like, wait, so like, but when I make a phone call, right, I'm calling someone, so if I'm praying, like, who am I praying to?

01:24:10.329 --> 01:24:15.579
That was just kind of my logic, and it, it, my mom got some feedback that that was distracting in Sunday school and stuff, these questions.

01:24:15.590 --> 01:24:15.659
Okay.

01:24:15.779 --> 01:24:15.800
Yeah.

01:24:15.975 --> 01:24:19.175
So I was like, okay, like if I'm supposed to get, get confirmed right now, I'm not going to do it.

01:24:19.185 --> 01:24:24.545
So technically I, I haven't gone through all my sacraments to be an adult Catholic, but, um, I'm definitely religious.

01:24:24.954 --> 01:24:29.694
Um, I would say I'm definitely, I believe active in a church right now.

01:24:29.765 --> 01:24:36.805
No, I, we definitely, like for me specifically, I kind of take all religions at the same time and I think they all have an importance.

01:24:36.805 --> 01:24:41.914
And I think, uh, AA is also like very important to us and just following that guide and.

01:24:42.539 --> 01:24:46.829
Um, we'd love to get involved with churches and that's the thing, having a, having a higher power.

01:24:46.859 --> 01:24:47.220
Yeah.

01:24:47.250 --> 01:24:48.390
Whatever you name it.

01:24:48.449 --> 01:24:48.750
Yeah.

01:24:48.755 --> 01:24:48.765
Yeah.

01:24:48.810 --> 01:24:51.930
I think is kind of the more essential in some regards.

01:24:51.930 --> 01:25:06.420
Now I can, you know, obviously Christ has a special place for me and my faith journey and whatever, and so I'm not saying everything's equal, but I think from a practicality of life, um, you know, there's a reason most of those wisdom books have a lot of the same content.

01:25:06.810 --> 01:25:09.119
Well,'cause if you don't believe in a higher power, you start to.

01:25:09.300 --> 01:25:14.119
pretend and play God, and that's where the controlling comes in, the binary of thinking.

01:25:14.199 --> 01:25:20.989
of your own life, and then you can always be disappointed by all these things that go wrong in the world if you're really God, or the state becomes the God.

01:25:21.319 --> 01:25:21.859
Yes.

01:25:22.189 --> 01:25:23.800
And that's even more dangerous, right?

01:25:23.909 --> 01:25:25.237
And we've kind of seen that.

01:25:25.237 --> 01:25:26.274
Oh yeah, for sure.

01:25:26.274 --> 01:25:31.199
Yeah, there's a new religion that's been, um, you know, defeated at the ballot box this season.

01:25:31.859 --> 01:25:32.359
Yeah.

01:25:32.550 --> 01:25:33.369
Um, yeah.

01:25:34.060 --> 01:25:39.369
Matthew, uh, what was that journey like for you, or is it like for you?

01:25:40.449 --> 01:25:47.340
It really started in that jail cell where I was like, Alright God, that foxhole prayer became the sealed deal.

01:25:47.350 --> 01:25:48.670
Signed, sealed, delivered.

01:25:49.010 --> 01:25:52.119
And I, I honored that commitment moving forward.

01:25:52.130 --> 01:25:53.020
Can you get me out of here?

01:25:53.060 --> 01:25:53.659
Out of this spot?

01:25:53.659 --> 01:25:55.770
I'm not a real prison guy.

01:25:56.024 --> 01:26:05.104
Yeah, I'm gonna clean this up and I'll do everything I can to honor and serve and and that's that's continuing Yeah, God is my favorite act acronym.

01:26:05.114 --> 01:26:05.805
Okay, we check this out.

01:26:05.805 --> 01:26:06.704
You can tuck this here.

01:26:06.704 --> 01:26:07.814
So just pull in your ear.

01:26:07.814 --> 01:26:27.835
Yeah But yeah God to me like the the one of the coolest acronyms that I like is gift of desperation Cuz God came into my life And that gift of desperation in that moment, my life changed forever.

01:26:28.194 --> 01:26:29.994
I wouldn't be sitting here talking with you.

01:26:29.994 --> 01:26:33.814
I wouldn't have Gabrielle by my side and have the life I live today.

01:26:34.435 --> 01:26:40.385
And continuing to enlarge and grow that spiritual condition is definitely a priority.

01:26:40.385 --> 01:26:43.435
I don't do it perfectly, and I definitely put them on the back burner.

01:26:43.435 --> 01:26:45.635
And I try to take over on the driving.

01:26:45.954 --> 01:26:46.305
Sure.

01:26:46.345 --> 01:26:48.664
Yeah, when it's going good, I'm like, God, I got it.

01:26:48.755 --> 01:26:49.335
I got it.

01:26:49.414 --> 01:26:54.784
And then I got to remember, like, during the good times is also a celebration, you know?

01:26:54.885 --> 01:26:55.524
Yeah, yeah.

01:26:55.595 --> 01:26:56.454
I think that's good.

01:26:57.095 --> 01:27:02.984
Um, well, if you, uh, if you ever want to check out our church community, ours is, uh, Sunday at 10.

01:27:03.425 --> 01:27:03.904
Where do you go?

01:27:04.015 --> 01:27:05.694
Uh, the Crossing Church.

01:27:05.694 --> 01:27:07.595
It's at Shields and Horsetooth in Fort Collins.

01:27:07.664 --> 01:27:08.425
Shields and Horsetooth.

01:27:08.524 --> 01:27:08.625
Okay.

01:27:08.694 --> 01:27:11.175
Um, are you guys, did you guys move to Loveland now?

01:27:11.470 --> 01:27:14.880
No, so we were going to, but now we're going to turn that into a run.

01:27:14.880 --> 01:27:16.890
So it's not far from your neighborhood there even, really.

01:27:16.930 --> 01:27:17.350
Yeah.

01:27:17.479 --> 01:27:17.979
Yeah, yeah.

01:27:18.109 --> 01:27:18.380
Okay, cool.

01:27:18.380 --> 01:27:20.699
It's a, it's a good, there's so many young people.

01:27:21.250 --> 01:27:25.689
Uh, like I would say, I bet two thirds of our church is below 40.

01:27:26.449 --> 01:27:26.609
Nice.

01:27:27.680 --> 01:27:29.130
I like the diversity though.

01:27:29.159 --> 01:27:33.460
I like the buffet of experience and I love old people.

01:27:33.479 --> 01:27:34.859
Frankly, we're pretty diverse.

01:27:35.000 --> 01:27:43.680
We got a handful of old people and we've got like, I wouldn't say we have, we don't have very many like Asian couples, but we've got a lot of mixed marriages.

01:27:43.699 --> 01:27:46.260
So we've got some color, you know, there's some Hispanics.

01:27:46.260 --> 01:27:47.034
We've got some Asians.

01:27:47.034 --> 01:27:48.579
We got a little bit of this, a little bit of that.

01:27:48.579 --> 01:27:50.239
Habla Espanol.

01:27:50.380 --> 01:28:02.739
Yeah, I mean, most of us don't, but, um, but we're like, it's, it's a very diverse group, both in, you know, we're more diverse than the traditional Fort Collins white bread, uh, neighborhood church, I would say.

01:28:02.810 --> 01:28:03.529
That's awesome.

01:28:03.680 --> 01:28:06.960
Um, so yeah, I'll give you the info anytime you want to check it out.

01:28:07.029 --> 01:28:07.779
Absolutely.

01:28:07.850 --> 01:28:14.189
Um, politics, you came in wearing your, uh, your flag.

01:28:14.390 --> 01:28:18.789
Red, white, and blue, baby, my pronouns are USA.

01:28:22.439 --> 01:28:30.510
So, um, we're here in Larimer County, which, uh, remains a solidly Biden territory.

01:28:30.630 --> 01:28:31.920
Harris Territory, I don't know.

01:28:31.920 --> 01:28:32.439
Yeah, who's who?

01:28:33.560 --> 01:28:34.270
Who is Harris?

01:28:34.359 --> 01:28:49.260
Do you want to, let's just have some commentary on like, now that it's over the, this was the most unpredictable and Action event filled campaign season I've ever seen.

01:28:49.909 --> 01:28:50.739
No question about it.

01:28:50.739 --> 01:28:53.079
I mean, we had assassination attempts.

01:28:53.079 --> 01:28:57.840
We had coup or something like that.

01:28:57.840 --> 01:29:04.689
We had this crazy coalition of discarded Democrats and Tulsi and Bobby Kennedy.

01:29:04.729 --> 01:29:07.449
And, uh, I love Bobby Rogan.

01:29:08.880 --> 01:29:11.649
It's a, that's a crazy time to be alive.

01:29:12.420 --> 01:29:19.920
What, uh, like, Matthew, thoughts, uh, like, can Trump actually change things?

01:29:19.960 --> 01:29:28.010
Like, to be honest with his first term, he like spent a bunch of money and, uh, upset the balance of the budget and stuff.

01:29:28.010 --> 01:29:30.880
I wasn't too impressed his first term.

01:29:31.159 --> 01:29:36.909
Um, he makes the case that he was setting the stage for, you know, the, the, the growth to come.

01:29:36.909 --> 01:29:38.189
And I think that's the, the secret.

01:29:38.199 --> 01:29:38.954
If you could have a, Yeah.

01:29:38.954 --> 01:29:39.100
Yeah.

01:29:39.100 --> 01:29:41.529
A 3 percent growing economy instead of a 1.

01:29:41.529 --> 01:29:44.229
5 percent growing economy, a lot of things change in the long run.

01:29:44.649 --> 01:29:46.840
Especially when our debt is being paid.

01:29:46.840 --> 01:29:48.500
It's a 25 percent interest rate.

01:29:48.840 --> 01:29:51.590
If you didn't know that on, on trillions of dollars, right?

01:29:51.600 --> 01:29:53.329
25 percent is a lot of money.

01:29:53.380 --> 01:29:55.729
No, it's not 25%.

01:29:55.729 --> 01:29:57.050
We need a fact checker in the room.

01:29:57.060 --> 01:29:59.289
No, it's like 7 It's a lot.

01:29:59.289 --> 01:30:01.119
Treasury, treasury bills are five and a half.

01:30:01.159 --> 01:30:01.739
It's a lot.

01:30:01.739 --> 01:30:03.546
It is a lot more than it used to be.

01:30:03.546 --> 01:30:05.989
Department of defense spending, I think is what you're talking about.

01:30:06.270 --> 01:30:08.819
The one that Elon Musk was referring to.

01:30:08.960 --> 01:30:09.260
Yeah.

01:30:09.260 --> 01:30:10.359
It's probably the department of defense.

01:30:10.739 --> 01:30:15.819
I think that's the most exciting thing is that notion of a government efficiency.

01:30:15.840 --> 01:30:17.319
Yeah.

01:30:17.500 --> 01:30:17.869
Kind of thing.

01:30:17.899 --> 01:30:22.029
You know, if, if Twitter can do without 80 percent of its workforce, what's that look like for the federal government?

01:30:22.340 --> 01:30:25.489
I think the only And how can they use AI and programs to Yeah.

01:30:25.500 --> 01:30:26.569
Be simpler, more fair?

01:30:26.829 --> 01:30:28.100
I love Elon Musk.

01:30:28.100 --> 01:30:30.329
Um, I know that's very controversial online.

01:30:30.329 --> 01:30:31.029
I don't know why.

01:30:31.090 --> 01:30:35.050
But, um, I, I do think that fundamentally he's a net positive to the world.

01:30:35.050 --> 01:30:38.250
I think he's going to go down in history as like our Nikola Tesla kind of thing, you know?

01:30:38.279 --> 01:30:38.460
Yeah.

01:30:38.460 --> 01:30:38.779
Yeah.

01:30:38.779 --> 01:30:39.100
Yeah.

01:30:39.100 --> 01:30:55.625
So, but with him, the only thing, I think it's great, I personally think it's great to sometimes have billionaires instead of politics and governments because they're not as, uh, easily swayed and they obviously have a proof of success, but I understand that the only thing that I have an issue with that is he has a lot with it.

01:30:56.045 --> 01:30:57.774
at stake via regulation.

01:30:57.774 --> 01:31:04.125
So just making sure that someone's regulating him as well in those decisions and the checks and balances because he's got a lot at stake.

01:31:04.354 --> 01:31:04.965
Well, yeah.

01:31:05.005 --> 01:31:06.364
And with power comes corruption.

01:31:06.385 --> 01:31:06.774
Yeah.

01:31:07.385 --> 01:31:08.234
I'd hate to see that.

01:31:08.314 --> 01:31:20.414
And I think it's our responsibility to hold everybody, no matter what side you're on accountable and make sure they're congruent to what they're saying in the actions match.

01:31:21.585 --> 01:31:28.255
And if that's the case, I think we're in for a really good four years, but I don't know what that looks like.

01:31:28.375 --> 01:31:28.654
Yeah.

01:31:28.774 --> 01:31:29.055
Yeah.

01:31:29.345 --> 01:31:32.515
I think the open slate is pretty, the canvas is pretty open right now.

01:31:32.994 --> 01:31:37.435
Um, you know, the victory has been won, you know, where are they going to put Kennedy?

01:31:37.435 --> 01:31:53.024
Where are they going to put who, you know, and, and I think the, I saw a Jon Stewart blow up about, um, pollsters, uh, you know, You can take your polls and like bite me from now on.

01:31:53.055 --> 01:31:54.185
Like, I don't believe you.

01:31:54.255 --> 01:31:56.774
I think we should all question the legacy media.

01:31:57.534 --> 01:31:57.925
Yeah.

01:31:57.925 --> 01:32:11.654
Then if you're not questioning the media by now, after seeing everything that's happened, I think I first really opened my eyes during COVID and I was like, the media is intentionally trying to crash the markets and guess what happened?

01:32:11.654 --> 01:32:12.625
The markets crashed.

01:32:12.835 --> 01:32:15.885
So that reassured my concept and thoughts.

01:32:15.885 --> 01:32:17.274
That was a buying opportunity for.

01:32:17.359 --> 01:32:22.060
Black rock and all those other, uh, it was insane.

01:32:22.520 --> 01:32:39.180
I think it's going to be an interesting, like, aside from the swing in the electoral college and whatever from last time, but there's a lot of States that, you know, we're 23 percent blue in 2020 and now they were 11%.

01:32:39.560 --> 01:32:39.699
Yeah.

01:32:39.779 --> 01:32:47.744
She underperformed Biden's results everywhere, which So I think there's a few things that happened.

01:32:47.744 --> 01:32:50.534
I think that she lost the moderate white female vote.

01:32:51.069 --> 01:32:54.609
Um, for sure, and that is because of the, the abortion stuff.

01:32:55.039 --> 01:33:01.779
So, how I feel with the abortion stuff is, she wanted us to be a single issue voter with that.

01:33:01.789 --> 01:33:03.340
And there were a lot of people that were.

01:33:04.000 --> 01:33:04.289
Oh yeah.

01:33:05.359 --> 01:33:06.310
I know a number of them.

01:33:06.520 --> 01:33:07.159
Oh yeah.

01:33:07.670 --> 01:33:10.819
Um, and here's what, here's what I'll say about that.

01:33:10.819 --> 01:33:13.824
One, I, I do think that having abortion only as her talk, her main talking point, I think one is a little bit offensive.

01:33:13.824 --> 01:33:16.859
I do think that having abortion only as her talk, her main talking point, I think one is a little bit offensive.

01:33:17.260 --> 01:33:21.960
Uh, in general, I think that there's much other opportunities, things to focus on to benefit women.

01:33:22.409 --> 01:33:24.109
Uh, in my opinion, it's the border.

01:33:24.520 --> 01:33:31.640
Uh, in my opinion, it's, it's strengthening the economy so that we have consumer trust and most of the social issues will figure itself out with that, right?

01:33:31.640 --> 01:33:33.659
And we're not having an existential crisis about where our money's going.

01:33:33.659 --> 01:33:38.199
Yeah, loss of trust is, uh, throwing sand in the, in the gearbox of the economy.

01:33:38.560 --> 01:33:40.460
And impeding, uh, free speech.

01:33:40.460 --> 01:33:45.689
I think, I think that was a little ridiculous and I, Hillary Clinton's remarks with the whole like Promising to do more of it.

01:33:45.739 --> 01:33:46.000
Yeah.

01:33:46.000 --> 01:33:50.949
She was like, social media is crazy because, I'm paraphrasing of course, but she was like, social media is crazy because we can't control the misinformation.

01:33:50.949 --> 01:33:52.439
Doesn't allow us to have total control.

01:33:52.460 --> 01:33:52.989
Yeah.

01:33:52.989 --> 01:33:53.210
Oh.

01:33:53.340 --> 01:33:57.979
Okay, the government should never be focusing on what is hate speech and the definition of it.

01:33:57.979 --> 01:33:59.909
I don't that doesn't make any sense to me.

01:34:00.000 --> 01:34:04.670
The reason that there is free speech is and allowing that is because the bad speech will work itself out.

01:34:05.069 --> 01:34:05.359
Right.

01:34:05.380 --> 01:34:07.970
And because we are allowed to be a democracy together.

01:34:08.319 --> 01:34:20.020
But just with the the abortion stuff, I just I can't follow the thought process anymore, because it was this whole in the beginning, like, Men shouldn't be making decisions about our body, then Trump literally says, okay, I won't make it.

01:34:20.130 --> 01:34:34.270
It's not a federal issue, and it is a philosophical, spiritual, medical issue that should go to the states, and you should be able to decide instead of me, a man, and that's considered anti abortion, that's considered all these things, and this whole like war on a woman's autonomy, and I just didn't bite for it.

01:34:34.270 --> 01:34:42.125
I saw the legacy media really going for that, and I find it to be disrespectful to the intellect of the regular moderate woman.

01:34:42.135 --> 01:34:43.704
Like, I think that's where she really lost us.

01:34:44.015 --> 01:34:45.055
I would tend to agree.

01:34:45.074 --> 01:34:51.274
And, and the media lost it in some of the blatant clip manipulation and lies.

01:34:51.354 --> 01:34:51.645
Yeah.

01:34:51.694 --> 01:34:58.979
Like that, that line, uh, I'm going to, you know, basically I'm going to protect the women from the illegal immigrations, whether they like it or not.

01:34:59.220 --> 01:35:00.840
And they're like, I'm going to do it.

01:35:00.850 --> 01:35:03.800
Whether the women like it or not is what gets put on the news.

01:35:03.800 --> 01:35:05.529
And they repeat it and repeat it and repeat it.

01:35:05.590 --> 01:35:09.350
It's like, you just can't take stuff out of context.

01:35:09.680 --> 01:35:10.899
Like democracy.

01:35:10.899 --> 01:35:12.390
There's been, Oh my God.

01:35:13.699 --> 01:35:17.899
There's been some weird celebrity things that have been weird like, uh, Robert Downey Jr.

01:35:17.909 --> 01:35:29.984
recently was like, with like the Avengers or whatever the fuck they were in and they're all in this zoom call wearing like Harris shirts and they kept making jokes about like what her new hashtag should be for, you know, Terrace.

01:35:30.005 --> 01:35:38.152
And they were like, how about down with democracy, like getting down with democracy and they kept going like down with it and I'm like, dude, what is like on a zoom call or something?

01:35:38.152 --> 01:35:39.595
I was like, are they trolling us?

01:35:39.595 --> 01:35:41.802
Like what is going on?

01:35:41.802 --> 01:35:46.215
It's like, are you down with democracy or are you down with democracy?

01:35:46.484 --> 01:35:46.585
Yeah.

01:35:46.585 --> 01:35:47.345
That was just silly.

01:35:47.345 --> 01:35:48.314
It was so weird.

01:35:48.475 --> 01:35:49.454
And maybe they did that on purpose.

01:35:49.984 --> 01:35:50.664
I have no idea.

01:35:50.704 --> 01:35:53.404
I don't know, but it's just, it was a lot of that.

01:35:53.404 --> 01:35:53.654
Right.

01:35:53.654 --> 01:35:57.104
And so we can be unburdened by what has been and blah, blah, blah.

01:35:57.274 --> 01:35:57.835
In the vortex.

01:35:58.640 --> 01:36:17.989
Yeah, and, and being, working in social media, obviously for a living, I understand how to clip someone, I understand how media can take things, and so I just couldn't take the bait on that stuff, and I never spoke freely about it with My following and in my content because I felt like it was too big of a fish to fry this year Yeah, and I wish I well, we're not very popular.

01:36:18.000 --> 01:36:24.859
So you probably won't get outed by this podcast About talking about it like this.

01:36:24.899 --> 01:36:31.359
No, I'm not here, but I on my platform I never want to come off as someone that's gonna endorse a president.

01:36:31.359 --> 01:36:41.149
I find that whole endorsement ship to be Stupid like if you're if you're voting for someone because someone you follows You know what I mean?

01:36:41.220 --> 01:36:47.050
But then also, I guess like one could use that same argument about an influencer in general and like, who cares about influencers?

01:36:47.079 --> 01:36:47.489
I get it.

01:36:47.899 --> 01:36:52.260
I get the whole thing, but you know, so for me, like endorsements isn't really my big thing.

01:36:52.270 --> 01:36:57.390
I consider myself more of like an entertainer and a philosopher when it comes to our relationship with work.

01:36:57.409 --> 01:36:58.619
And so that's my boundary.

01:36:58.619 --> 01:37:03.199
And so for today, I don't want to be in politics, but that may change down the line.

01:37:03.750 --> 01:37:04.130
I hope you do.

01:37:04.130 --> 01:37:06.880
Trump said he didn't, he wasn't going to be in politics for a long time.

01:37:06.960 --> 01:37:12.840
I'm thinking, uh, JD Vance, 2028 with Tulsi Gabbard, Tulsi Gabbard's first woman president.

01:37:13.210 --> 01:37:13.640
Yeah.

01:37:13.710 --> 01:37:14.670
I'd be on board for that.

01:37:14.739 --> 01:37:16.369
Tulsi Gabbert's awesome, yeah.

01:37:17.159 --> 01:37:20.829
Um, The Loco Experience is our closing segment.

01:37:21.579 --> 01:37:25.069
That is the craziest experience of your lifetime that you're willing to share.

01:37:25.579 --> 01:37:31.279
If the broken arm thing was your craziest, then you can do that, but I bet you've got another crazy experience, Matthew.

01:37:31.329 --> 01:37:32.189
Who wants to start?

01:37:32.460 --> 01:37:33.439
Gab, do you want to start it?

01:37:33.500 --> 01:37:34.319
I don't think I have one.

01:37:34.340 --> 01:37:36.130
You don't have any crazy experiences?

01:37:37.859 --> 01:37:38.390
I'm thinking.

01:37:38.460 --> 01:37:38.890
Okay.

01:37:39.060 --> 01:37:41.430
Well, I bet Massey's got five more.

01:37:41.460 --> 01:37:42.220
I've got one.

01:37:42.329 --> 01:37:42.899
Mm hmm.

01:37:42.909 --> 01:37:51.060
So, I remember being at, um, um, Mexican bar in, in Houston, Texas, and, uh, You were like 19, 20 or something?

01:37:51.119 --> 01:37:53.090
Yeah, probably, uh, younger than that.

01:37:53.149 --> 01:37:53.430
Okay.

01:37:53.489 --> 01:38:03.300
My ex, ex girlfriend's uncle owned the bar, I believe, and it was, it was predominantly Mexican and I, I would go there on the weekends, it was awesome, we'd get bottle service.

01:38:03.670 --> 01:38:05.539
And I got a little too drunk one night.

01:38:06.284 --> 01:38:10.024
And I don't know what I was running from, probably the police.

01:38:10.914 --> 01:38:20.354
Try not to go to jail, doing something dumb, or And I guess I hid somewhere, and where I hid, I ended up coming to.

01:38:20.354 --> 01:38:25.324
It's like 1am now, and I'm coming to You're like hid behind a dumpster or some shit, whatever.

01:38:25.324 --> 01:38:28.454
I'm actually in the back of a dump truck that's moving.

01:38:29.795 --> 01:38:33.784
And we're going, and it's like midnight, 1 a.

01:38:33.784 --> 01:38:33.925
m.

01:38:33.925 --> 01:38:36.095
in the morning, and we're driving.

01:38:36.704 --> 01:38:39.954
And I'm like, what is going on?

01:38:39.954 --> 01:38:45.255
It's like sandy, I see the stars moving, just going fast above my head.

01:38:45.675 --> 01:38:48.515
And then I kind of sit up and I'm like, what am I doing?

01:38:48.555 --> 01:39:01.135
And I look around and I realize, like, I'm in a Dump truck so I try to go and knock on the garbage like on top of the cab or some shit I try to get on top of you know those big trucks that deliver gravel.

01:39:01.185 --> 01:39:01.375
Yeah.

01:39:01.375 --> 01:39:01.595
Yeah.

01:39:01.595 --> 01:39:06.935
Yeah in sand to construction sites So I'm in the back of one of those right who knows how I got in there.

01:39:07.005 --> 01:39:17.595
I can't even like reached I can't even get out of it I can't even climb it to get out of it But I climb it enough to get to the top and we're going and I'm trying to knock on the hood At that moment, I'm wide awake.

01:39:17.664 --> 01:39:21.595
Like on the top, you mean, not the hood, but the The top of the truck, yeah, not the hood.

01:39:21.595 --> 01:39:23.725
Above the guy's head, above the cab.

01:39:23.885 --> 01:39:24.375
Yeah, yeah.

01:39:24.694 --> 01:39:26.654
So I'm trying to knock on, above the cab.

01:39:27.204 --> 01:39:29.585
I can't reach it, so I kind of sit back, enjoy the ride.

01:39:29.824 --> 01:39:30.505
We stop.

01:39:30.505 --> 01:39:33.314
We're going to get a load of sand.

01:39:33.314 --> 01:39:36.954
If I wouldn't have came to, I would have been buried alive.

01:39:37.939 --> 01:39:42.090
So did you go, like, jump out of the back of the truck as you were, like, pulling up to the sand dumper thing?

01:39:42.090 --> 01:39:43.529
I couldn't jump out.

01:39:43.579 --> 01:39:44.260
I couldn't get out.

01:39:44.260 --> 01:39:47.819
But I could pull myself up enough to yell at the guy when he got out.

01:39:47.819 --> 01:39:50.170
And I was like, hey, I'm back here, dude.

01:39:50.170 --> 01:39:51.569
I'm in the back of your truck.

01:39:51.569 --> 01:39:52.810
Imagine being that driver that day.

01:39:53.289 --> 01:39:54.750
He didn't speak English either.

01:39:55.460 --> 01:39:58.949
He didn't speak English, but It was insane.

01:39:58.970 --> 01:40:03.375
I'm sure he knew enough to Figure out that you didn't want to be back in the back of the truck when he got his load.

01:40:03.425 --> 01:40:06.435
And I'm like, baracho, baracho, which means like drunk.

01:40:07.345 --> 01:40:09.225
And I'm sure he could tell right away.

01:40:09.414 --> 01:40:14.274
And, and he brought me into the cab and he let me use his phone.

01:40:14.314 --> 01:40:15.734
He dropped me off at a gas station.

01:40:15.734 --> 01:40:16.765
My mom picked me up.

01:40:16.765 --> 01:40:17.545
I love you, mom.

01:40:17.545 --> 01:40:20.604
And life goes on.

01:40:20.685 --> 01:40:22.414
That was a pretty low impact one there.

01:40:22.524 --> 01:40:23.295
Yeah, that was good.

01:40:23.305 --> 01:40:24.095
Getting near death.

01:40:24.225 --> 01:40:25.364
It could have been bad.

01:40:25.444 --> 01:40:25.814
Yeah, yeah.

01:40:26.750 --> 01:40:28.180
It's a pretty crazy experience, nonetheless.

01:40:29.310 --> 01:40:29.979
Gabrielle?

01:40:31.479 --> 01:40:33.600
Oh, the craziest experience.

01:40:33.609 --> 01:40:36.560
I think, well, I have like a positive one that isn't like super crazy.

01:40:36.600 --> 01:40:42.710
Um, so I, uh, 60 Minutes Australia came here to, um, cover me.

01:40:43.060 --> 01:40:53.760
And so, they were in our house, which was exciting for us, and, um, my first ever, like, it was like a Wall Street Journal, um, publication written about Lazy Girl Jobs and stuff like that.

01:40:53.760 --> 01:40:57.640
It went live that morning, and so they got that on camera, and that was like a really cool day.

01:40:58.020 --> 01:41:06.399
Um, and then that same day, um, MSN, well, Wall Street Journal went live with an op ed from Susie Welch, who is Jack Welch's, um, late girlfriend.

01:41:06.659 --> 01:41:07.090
Late wife.

01:41:07.090 --> 01:41:07.949
Yeah, yeah, GE guy.

01:41:08.460 --> 01:41:11.310
Yeah, talking, talking a lot of stuff about me.

01:41:11.430 --> 01:41:15.420
Um, and then they brought her on, um, MSNBC that morning as well.

01:41:15.420 --> 01:41:17.899
And I saw for the first time, like, slander.

01:41:18.199 --> 01:41:18.739
You know what I mean?

01:41:18.739 --> 01:41:21.229
Like, straight up, like, she had never, she didn't know who I was.

01:41:21.229 --> 01:41:22.407
Like, just, like, made fun of my voice.

01:41:22.407 --> 01:41:23.569
What she was talking shit about, you know, on the list.

01:41:23.600 --> 01:41:24.739
Yeah, on MSNBC.

01:41:25.449 --> 01:41:25.470
Wow.

01:41:25.479 --> 01:41:28.430
Like, and it was just, like, the, my emotions that day.

01:41:28.479 --> 01:41:30.390
It was just so crazy.

01:41:30.819 --> 01:41:34.510
Um, and I think it took me, like, six months to really, like, process all of that at the same time.

01:41:34.510 --> 01:41:36.534
But That was what, like last summer?

01:41:36.904 --> 01:41:37.335
July?

01:41:37.614 --> 01:41:38.465
Maybe last August?

01:41:38.465 --> 01:41:39.534
And is this kind of stuff still happening?

01:41:39.534 --> 01:41:43.005
Are people looking you up to have you on TV shows and meet the press and whatever?

01:41:43.045 --> 01:41:45.345
Yeah, I still get cast in with like documentaries every once in a while.

01:41:45.345 --> 01:41:51.045
We're much more strategic about it now because I can't get paid.

01:41:51.164 --> 01:41:52.175
It's got to be strategic.

01:41:52.194 --> 01:41:54.725
And also I can't just get paid an exposure forever.

01:41:54.755 --> 01:41:57.114
Um, I'm comfortable with the amount of exposure that I've gotten.

01:41:57.114 --> 01:42:02.234
And so now it's more about like actually creating like a whole business behind it and hunkering down.

01:42:02.274 --> 01:42:03.675
So that's the phase that I've been in.

01:42:03.704 --> 01:42:07.095
So how are you learning to, uh, be a business?

01:42:07.125 --> 01:42:08.515
Like, are you reading books?

01:42:08.515 --> 01:42:09.845
Are you listening to podcasts?

01:42:09.845 --> 01:42:14.784
Are you like following other influencers, seeing how they're developing their business?

01:42:14.935 --> 01:42:18.194
Yeah, I think I'm really good at looking at, cause, cause our business model, so.

01:42:18.819 --> 01:42:19.600
In your face, right?

01:42:19.600 --> 01:42:21.989
I think a lot of people are like, well, I don't even know what to do for content.

01:42:22.000 --> 01:42:26.380
And it's like, go to the account that you want to be study their videos.

01:42:26.430 --> 01:42:27.050
And like, that's it.

01:42:27.050 --> 01:42:28.039
There's no hiding.

01:42:28.050 --> 01:42:29.859
Cause it's a video it's customer facing.

01:42:30.220 --> 01:42:34.710
So I'm pretty good at that of like being able to mimic other things and reverse engineer things.

01:42:35.109 --> 01:42:39.784
Um, I have a whole team around me now, which I'm excited about and grateful for.

01:42:39.784 --> 01:42:40.984
So it's not just me.

01:42:40.984 --> 01:42:49.185
I think when it was just me for a long time, it was like this white knuckling until there was that like critical, critical, critical point in the revenue where like it could expand.

01:42:49.744 --> 01:42:52.845
Um, and now that I am like really in that, it's much more about scaling now.

01:42:52.845 --> 01:42:55.484
So, I mean, I have my, I have my assistant, Eugene, he's the best.

01:42:55.484 --> 01:42:57.045
I have a business manager, Alyssa.

01:42:57.095 --> 01:42:58.354
I have a whole like book team.

01:42:58.765 --> 01:43:02.800
Um, I get to bring on different independent contractors, of course, for other things.

01:43:02.810 --> 01:43:03.979
Always looking for an editor.

01:43:03.979 --> 01:43:07.359
So if you want to put some editors stuff, where should people find you?

01:43:07.699 --> 01:43:10.090
Um, anti work girl boss on Instagram.

01:43:10.119 --> 01:43:14.170
I think, uh, my TikTok is still Gabrielle judge and, uh, yeah, over there.

01:43:14.180 --> 01:43:15.859
And, uh, I write a lot on sub stack.

01:43:15.880 --> 01:43:20.510
That's probably the best part to really like understand my ethos and, and get to, to connect over there.

01:43:20.510 --> 01:43:21.800
That's just Gabrielle judge too.

01:43:21.800 --> 01:43:22.939
And that's anti work girl boss.

01:43:23.229 --> 01:43:23.250
Yeah.

01:43:23.250 --> 01:43:24.710
It's all in the link tree on Instagram.

01:43:25.069 --> 01:43:26.239
Will you like.

01:43:27.545 --> 01:43:35.404
Will somebody be able to actually contact you if they want to be your editor or something like Just send you a chat on youtube or something on insta collabs at anti work girl boss.

01:43:35.414 --> 01:43:39.425
It's also a bio of my instagram That's what your uh, executive assistant will take care of that.

01:43:39.444 --> 01:43:48.145
We got the we got the chaff Matthew, um, you want to tell people how to What was that, uh, tagline?

01:43:48.204 --> 01:43:50.725
Um, fulfilling your real estate?

01:43:50.725 --> 01:43:52.614
No, realestate porn.com or something.

01:43:52.614 --> 01:43:52.944
Yeah.

01:43:52.944 --> 01:43:55.074
So, uh, you don't have that website anymore?

01:43:55.135 --> 01:43:55.555
No.

01:43:55.555 --> 01:43:58.020
It's, it's, uh, Yeah.

01:43:58.079 --> 01:44:03.114
We, uh, no ads on that keyword anymore, that it's like food porn, you know, the hashtag food porn.

01:44:03.204 --> 01:44:03.625
I get you.

01:44:03.715 --> 01:44:04.645
That's where I pulled it from.

01:44:04.649 --> 01:44:04.699
Yeah.

01:44:04.824 --> 01:44:04.975
Yeah.

01:44:05.095 --> 01:44:09.685
And I didn't mean anything by, and I've got another funny story leading into that now that you brought it up.

01:44:10.095 --> 01:44:13.274
The CEO at the time of the board of realtors called me and was like.

01:44:13.765 --> 01:44:17.595
I don't know if you want to put hashtag real estate porn.

01:44:18.060 --> 01:44:19.699
And I was like, it's a voicemail.

01:44:19.710 --> 01:44:21.619
We could play it, but it's probably too long.

01:44:21.619 --> 01:44:22.760
It's pretty, it's pretty funny though.

01:44:24.010 --> 01:44:25.789
So, uh, what's your website?

01:44:25.909 --> 01:44:30.270
Um, the best way to get contacted or LinkedIn or call me, call me, call me.

01:44:30.270 --> 01:44:31.676
And you want to just share your number right here right now?

01:44:31.676 --> 01:44:32.302
Give me a phone call.

01:44:32.302 --> 01:44:36.779
9 7 0 6 1 9 1 0 6 3.

01:44:36.949 --> 01:44:42.550
And then on Instagram, if you want to keep up with the shenanigans, it's Matthew Fugate Realtor.

01:44:44.289 --> 01:44:47.039
Um, anything you guys want to ask me before we close?

01:44:47.479 --> 01:44:50.000
Oh yeah, we'll have to do another podcast though, dude.

01:44:50.000 --> 01:44:51.329
I'll just let you be the guest interviewer.

01:44:51.390 --> 01:44:52.310
Yeah, dude.

01:44:52.460 --> 01:44:53.170
Uh, next time.

01:44:53.569 --> 01:44:54.229
That'd be fun.

01:44:54.250 --> 01:44:55.069
Thanks for making time.

01:44:55.369 --> 01:44:56.050
Absolutely.

01:44:56.060 --> 01:44:56.750
Thank you, man.

01:44:56.750 --> 01:44:57.189
Catch you soon.

01:44:58.029 --> 01:45:04.369
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01:45:05.970 --> 01:45:08.149
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